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@@celestialkitsune It sure did! It used to be one of the custom emotes I had of a booka from earthbound. I've been meaning to change it for a while but haven't gotten around to it until recently
Can confirm, I cheated for the stats. The description of the video says cheats were used, but I figured I could give a bit more context here: I spent maybe 30 minutes going through boards because I was bored, then I got bored of that, so you can see Wakka's stats aren't maxed out. When I discovered what happens if you kill the flan, I laughed so hard at it, and I just had to share. 😆 What a crazy, in-depth video! Loved it! 100% subbing 😇
@@blango-san When I did it, I was sad they didn't. I can't believe they didn't believe people wouldn't try. Because the concept of speed runs, or grinding for absurd hours is not a new concept when FF X came out. They should have done something funny like Lulu no longer joining the team until you make up with her, haha :)
@@gatnom clear to some extent, yes, but if you apply scientific approach, you must also do it without hacks or cheats, because you may never really know if devs added checks to in-game code that allow the game to determine if it was hacked or not. (or you reverse-engineer game code) yes, it sounds overly nerdy, but who are we if not a bunch of super-nerds to be interested in this kind of stuff in the first place
Wow, I was legit researching this same thing. You'll have to make a video on how many Sinspawns need to be defeated, during the Sin Finn encounter on the boat, just so Kimahri can one-shot the plant in Kilika with Lancet.
I thought I saw you poking around the FFX speedrunning discord! Cool stuff man. I'm going to be following that challenge as it develops so expect more from me on that front!
Im the one who did that challenge. If you get enough levels to unlock cheer with kimahri, you can use cheer to avoid attacking with Kimahri. Then you can defeat Ragora with Tidus or another character that’s already leveled up.
*cough cough* the damage variance is more around +- 6%, you mistakenly got the 16% by looking at the variance being 256 +- 16 / 256 behind the scenes lol Bonus: It's not actually +- 16, it's [240, 272), which doesn't actually include the 272, making the variance extremes -6.25% and +5.86%
Fun fact: There’s a spot marked by a crater near one of the towers. If you run from touching the tower directly to the crater, the lightning will always, and I do mean always, strike as Tidus’ foot touches the edge of the crater. With a piece of gear that prevents encounters, some concentration, and patience, lightning bolt dodging is actually quite easy, especially since you can rest under the tower if you need a break
Yep, took even longer to get there at launch, before we knew to score one goal and then sit behind the goalie to end each match quickly. Nor were the best way to grind abilities really known yet.
@@osurpless what best ways? it's obvious lol, score one goal and pass the ball around to get exp, just don't fumble also you could hire another goalie and take keepa for a stroll as defence player, passing ball to and from him to level him faster
I never one shot that flan before, but I do typically farm 99 of all the spheres you can get from the piranha on the salvage ship which powers up your aeons. Basically I do this all to set up several things in my playthrough. I get 99 of the spheres to power up Valefor with roughly 450 of the max 600 battles to power up Aeons. This grinding also allows me to power up Tidus to more easily overkill Kimahri. With Valefor being stronger I can easily overkill the Garuda tutorial battle, sin's fin, and ochu later. Powered up Valefor is also how I like to farm sinscales on the boat because that many battles plus a few more on Besaid makes him easily out speed the scales. A long night of having Valefor kill scales gives our team an edge in Kilika and makes grinding out some drops easier. All this is done to ease the transition from newbie enemies in Besaid to potentially lethal enemies in Kilika, to getting hard stuck right after Luca. You can't deny the enemy scaling is pretty insane. You literally go from enemies you aren't in any danger from, to enemies that poison and do damage, to enemies that rapidly drain your MP to stay alive and do damage. The highroad was the first time I got stuck grinding for a long time just to not run out of MP and die just trying to get to the travel agency. Every since that first playthrough I tried to find an easier way to make the transition. Honestly though I have found other JRPGs even more brutal. My first time playing another one I passed a story point and had to completely start over after not having multiple saves. The enemies jumped drastically in difficulty and I couldn't survive even long enough to get halfway through the area to the next healing spot. I couldn't go back because the story prevented it. Now when I know a difficulty spike is coming I over level.
seems devs nowdays has to add easter egg to that not supposed to be killed but posible to be killed tutorials mob just like that alternate ending on DMC V
This might well be my favourite game of all time but for the inability to skip cutscenes. You'd think that in the 31 million remakes they've made, someone would have come up with the "skip cutscene" idea by now. Because of the inability to skip cutscenes, this game isn't even in my top 10.
@@quantitativediseasing9988 you dont skip cutscenes in a masterpiece,the same way you dont skip codec calls in metal gear solid,you even trigger secret ones even tho you played in 1000 times
@@carlosgaleotegandara7812 Yeah, you do. There are something like 10+ hours of cutscenes in FFX, which don't need to be watched over and over again. You might think they do and that's fine, but others don't and they should have the opportunity to skip them if they wish. I would have replayed FFX many more times than I did if I had been able to skip the scenes. First time through a game, I'm there for the story but in subsequent playthroughs I'm there for the gameplay as I already know the story. MGS? Never played it.
Patience is not necessarily required if you decide to use save wizard for the PS4 version on the other hand if you’re using PS2 then you could use code breaker to actually do for yourself the choice is yours to make however for me I chose because I’ve already beaten this game to use save wizard to edit my safe file so that I could go through the game and enjoy the story as opposed to spending time grinding and I would recommend that you choose very carefully if you decide to use that particular computer program to edit your save I have discovered that in some of the Final Fantasy games if you are looking to max out your levels there is a way to do that very early in the game and Final Fantasy 12 is a perfect example either the remaster or the basic version all you have to do is go to a certain area and if you are in critical condition at the time and you put the game on slow and wait that every time you press the X button it’ll pause your gameplay and you can feed this particular enemy a phoenix down and you will be jumping up levels at supersonic speed however you can’t do that with Final Fantasy X but this is just one of the things you can do with Final Fantasy 12 Again the choice of how you plays up to you and what you decide to do with your saves is also up to you have fun
This is awesome! I’m really glad other people were wondering about these forced tutorial sections too! I wanted to know what would happen here too but had no desire to actually do this legit. I messed around with a save editor to win or lose tutorials I wasn’t supposed to and uploaded the results to my channel. Sometimes some unexpected things would happen like camera angles being broken or battles just ending prematurely.
You can level Rikku up at the very start and wreck the underwater boss, too. There's also another autogrind in the frozen temple when endless guado rush you down
I did a pretty similar thing to one shot the armored enemy tutorial fight outside Luca. Wound up killing more sinspawn on the ship than I care to remember.
I used a gameshark to max my stats and give everyone their ultimate weapon (just for kicks and giggles) but I remember it causing issues in the tutorial. Probably because i had party members I shouldn't have had at that point.
I haven't watched all of this, so I don't know if you know, but fun fact. If you one shot the Raldo, you can't crit again. The game turns off crits so you don't crit kill it. (obviously sheer strength will kill it.) - so while killing the flan is whatever, killing the raldo can be shitty LUL
I just clicked for a "HA HA HA" joke, but instead I got educated on how a seemingly impossible task turned into a speedrun. Amazing content as always, Doc 😅👍🏼
Yeah, I always run expert, and had about 35k hp with break health limit just to see how much health my team actually had. It had no use for me otherwise.
The most troll attack is Lulus frpm Oaka Doll 4 slot and customized and just send it for break damage hit send first enemies overfilled away from the screen view 😂
That is always what I wondered as a kid. Is it actually possible to kill them with Tidus at the beginning? Will the game crash? 20 years later I get this recommended... xD
I can't help but get a kick out of how such a ridiculous idea could end up being so interesting with things like the formula breakdown and the strategy 😆
I believe these may be the first documented Water Flan kills, but way back in the day (probably years before the GameFAQs thread you mentioned), there was also someone who I remember claimed to have done both this fight and the Mi'ihen Raldo tutorial -- a player by the username of KADFC, pretty prominent in the challenge scene and known as a heavy grinder. The question would then be: did he do the leveling manually or with some cheating device? I don't know the answer to that, but if anyone was going to spend dozens of hours farming Piranhas, it would be him. Of course, those threads have probably long disappeared from the GFAQs message boards. And to begin with, I'm not sure if those posts were on threads specifically pertaining to the Water Flan/Raldo tutorials or if they were discussed on one of the dozens of challenge threads (which was where KADFC was more active). In any case, it's nice to see video of it for the first time, I had never actually seen it :) Good stuff compiling all the info and putting it together so well, was an interesting watch for sure!
The "Kill everything in one attack" challenge seems to be impossible. The highest damaging attack in the game is Wakka's reels and it caps out at 1.2m damage. So anything that has more hp than that is out of the question.
@@Kyle-nm1kh Depending on one's definition, even Yojimbo with Zanmato can't do it, because for multi-phase bosses, each phase takes one Zanmato to kill.
Neat story, and I look forward to checking out other videos on your channel! By the way, the ph in "sphere" is pronounced as an f. You're saying "spear", when the word is pronounced like "fear" with an s at the beginning.
Later in the game when you fight the zu by yourself in the desert, auron and lulu are supposed to join you mid-battle to help defeat it.. but i beat the zu with only tidus once - auron and lulu just appear next to you as the battle ends to claim credit for tidus' hard work
I remember playing blitzball again and again to grind out strength spheres as a prize in order to kill the Shell in Auron's tutorial. I thought THAT was a lengthy task, but this makes that grind seem like chump change
To actually hit it with an overkill you would need to grind 99 sphere levels and my friend did it but the problem is that it took him 250 hours to grind those levels which basically means that he used to control with auto fire on PS2 which you cannot do on the PS4 so you have three choices one you can sit there and physically work for 250 hours to do the PS4 version or you can see if you can get a modified control for PS4 and remap the button so you can auto fire the battles and then you let it sit for a couple of days while the system actually works it out for you because you’re basically swimming in circles for that many hours and if you have a control that has auto fire on it on the PS4 then you could probably do that. Remember though that if you actually do something like this and you don’t wish to modify your save then the only way to do it is by grinding 99 sphere levels which means your system is gonna be on for days and you can always do that on the PS 52 which means that your system would be on for multiple days on the same game so you better have two systems if you plan on playing something else The other way to handle the situation is to modify your save and you can do that with the PS4 version of this game and save wizard in the end the choice is yours on how to do this but it is possible to do it the only thing I would recommend is that if you do that you’re gonna have a lot of empty spheres and saw my recommendation would be that as soon as you get a teleport sphere for Titus you take him back to the beginning and run through it again but that means that you’re gonna have to get all the way to the com lands and then teleport yourself back to the beginning of the sphere grade and go through it again which means you’re gonna have to grind which means you’re gonna need triple overdrive and AAA P which means you’re gonna have to go through a lot of hell but if you have the patience and you feel like you want to grind and then you could do that the choice is yours to make However it is possible to do it both ways and I’ve done it both ways and so is my friend however I don’t upload videos to RUclips or anywhere else to prove that I did it so you only have my word as proof
I’ve been watching this video and the person or the moderator who moderated this video basically said some thing that caught my attention. Essentially you have two ways to play this game and one way is to grind out the hundred hours or so so that you can get yourself to a level high enough that you could knock the flying out quickly in one hit Kels the only issue I would have with it is that you’re gonna have to teleport yourself back to the beginning of the levels and you’re gonna need AAA P weapon to get yourself 99 levels before you leave the calm lands. The reason I say that is because you need to fill up every sphere on your sphere grid with different spheres for his points strength and all the other stats that go on there and that way you can have maximum stats when you get to the last city on this game that way when you fight your final battle you’re not a weakling. The second way to play this game is to use a save editor program to either give yourself all items and all key items or maximum stats for all your players or the characters that you have control of and for some people that’s gonna be the way they want to play and for other people they are very happy grinding For me I’m over 40 years old and I am at a point where I do not like to grind my way to victory unless I can do it on my terms and so I have set up multiple saves with multiple ways to play and I decided that it was imperative and important to do things a certain way so I decided that it was reasonable for me to utilize other means to get myself to certain levels. Not every game is like Final Fantasy X or any of the other Final Fantasy games that are off-line only play and so I find this one to be a very interesting game and it’s storyline to be very interesting but as far as grinding goes I’m over 40 and I don’t have time to sit there for hours and grind so I’m at that point. How are you choose to play is entirely up to you and I admire those people who feel like they have the time to sit around for 100 hours and grind games like this to a level where you can one shot kill everything unfortunately it takes hours to do in most cases and that’s if you’re honest about it
I kinda wished I knew about this “challenge”, I noticed Valefor did more damage in my second play through and the only thing I did different was grind some fish at the start. So I made a new save after beating the game a second time and that save I would kill fish for like 10-30 minutes at a time for a year and had like 10,000 gil and decide to move with about 50 hours played. I verified my theory because Valefor was hitting for 9,999 with basic attack. Just had to protect Tidus from Tonberry’s karma attack.
I'm pretty sure a 1 hit KO challenge is impossible as some enemies like Zu can withstand a 99999 damage attack, only to fall to the ground & require another hit. I'm not even sure a multi-hitting overdrive like Blitz Ace or Attack Reels gets around that.
It's not possible anyway because even a max damage attack reel can only do 1,199,988 damage and there are quite a number of enemies with more than 1,200,000 hp
My roommate did this with a game called cosmic fantasy. The first boss is unbeatable. He wanted to see if it could be beat. Your first weapon is literally a butter knife. He killed slimes in the forest for days on end. We found out the first boss is still unbeatable but he was taking thousands of hit points off per round. This was in the mid 90s
Iirc, the only enemy in the base story with more than 99999hp is Braska's final aeon phase 2. So theoretically you could beat everything in the base game but that in one strike.
If the one person truly is trying to take out every enemy in a single attack, then it'd be impossible to beat any enemy in 1 attack (that isn't Zanmato obviously) with more than 1,599,984 HP. The attack with the most hits is Anima's Oblivion and assuming every hit deals 99,999 damage, that's the best you get. That means that anything with 1,599,985 HP or more needs at least 2 damage-dealing attacks to take down.
8:20 not to be snarky but I wouldn't call it "genius" we all know there are different progression paths on each grid so it makes sense to check both for pathing.
this reminds me of a very old video from World of Warcraft: the early version of the Paladin's "vengeance" skill had NO limit on how much energy it could hold, and it built up energy when he took damage. so a clever player spent hours fighting small enemies, using daggers, and then: ruclips.net/video/aX2JEKVn-U4/видео.html
0:57 So being forced to grind blitzball for that sigil, I've learned Keepa is actually interesting cuz he's the goalie right? But at max level, his Shooting power is 99. So he's better than Wakka, even better than Tidus at max level. A character named Vilucha comes close at 91. But no one's going to experience that unless they REALLY like playing blitzball cuz you can get everything you need long before level 99.
Weren't there enemies in Zanarkand that has over 9,999 HP? How is he going to 1shot those when he doesn't have access to BreakDmgLimit? Correct me if I'm wrong, that's just how I remembers it.
Its always the result of having to go to a discord now and hope what you need is findable. Imagine if we could actually find what we're searching for the first time.
I saw the grind 53 hours thumbnail and was thinking what if there was a absurd challenge with an amalgamation of weird requirement's. grind 50 hours before first sin fight, kill 1000 sin mob's in the boss battle, fight ever boss 10 time's reloading each time and grinding 5-10 hours after each kill. just whatever ridiculous challenge anyone can think of times 20 unique situation's.
I actually did this, well something similar for some reason, back in the day. I still dont know why I did it. I also commonly gave Auron spells like Haste because he is nateually slow. I loved doing weird builds
Try Digimon World Next Order, like the first generation of Digimon World, the Grinds Never End, because your Digi will die after their lifespan, and thats the great thing about it, you can raise another different digimon with different skill set.
Just a minor nitpick when you go through formula and end up with a range, it can be very confusing if you're just using a hyphen as it looks like a minus; maybe just write 'to' instead, or have two calculations for the upper and lower limits?
They're still incorrect. I just now found out you can edit the Fandom wiki freely, and for the FAQ that's related to it, it's very old and I haven't dove into contacting the author. The last time they logged in to the site was about 7 1/2 years ago
@@DoctorSwellman about the fandom wiki - yeah, I was an admin on one of the FF wikis before we merged and.. we only live because of people who update the info^^ And I asked about the faqs, since one time a faq author noticed something on our wiki, and edited a 10 year old script faq for (I think) FF V :D
Huh? Expert Grid? I grinded this grid to death (weird sentence) when I was a Junior in High School after it first came out. Is this like every version except the original that has a choice of sphere grids?
wonder if the 1-hit revolves around beelining to yojimbo asap and in the interim figuring out how to get yuna summon's overdrives to oneshot everything when possible.
As the kind of person who likes to play through a game 1 time, then pretty much never again (i aim for 100% on that playthough when i can), this seems like madness to me. But hey, whatever makes you happy.
@@zockerking2061 I'm just not a fan of repetition. I know a lot of people who only eat the same handful of foods and do the same sequence of activities all the time. So boring. Do people not take pleasure in novelty?
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All hail the corperate overlords xD
3:07 to skip ad
Am I crazy or did your channel picture icon change?
@@celestialkitsune It sure did! It used to be one of the custom emotes I had of a booka from earthbound. I've been meaning to change it for a while but haven't gotten around to it until recently
It's not cheating if you do it.
Can confirm, I cheated for the stats. The description of the video says cheats were used, but I figured I could give a bit more context here:
I spent maybe 30 minutes going through boards because I was bored, then I got bored of that, so you can see Wakka's stats aren't maxed out.
When I discovered what happens if you kill the flan, I laughed so hard at it, and I just had to share. 😆
What a crazy, in-depth video! Loved it! 100% subbing 😇
I owe you. I wouldn’t have done this if it hadn’t been done before.
@@hallowcorehammer6707 two legends come together
I'm glad you saw logic in losing 100 hours of your life and simply cheated to avoid that and still get the same results
Lol
This reminds me of the guy who grinded to level 99 in the first reactor in FF7. It took over 500 hours iirc.
Oh, that's a rabbit hole of it's own. Not the difficulty in doing it, but the story about the first confirmed success.
his name was dicktree
and don't you forget it
edit: fuck my stupid head, of course it was circlmastr. dicktree was a fraud, circlmastr is a legend
Look up the videos of dark souls, grinding to max level in the tutorial areas in each game. 500 hours is nothing compared to those. It's kinda silly 😂
Wild story honestly. Multiple people tried and just didn't have the mental strength to see it through.
@@blango-sanit's circlemaster dude not dicktree...dicktree is a fraud... once again his name is circlemaster remember that name
54 hours to skip a 10 second tutorial with additional downsides.
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it's not about skipping the tutorial. it's about finding out if the devs added an exception for this case
@@blango-san When I did it, I was sad they didn't. I can't believe they didn't believe people wouldn't try. Because the concept of speed runs, or grinding for absurd hours is not a new concept when FF X came out.
They should have done something funny like Lulu no longer joining the team until you make up with her, haha :)
@@spyofborgsometimes devs simply don't expect this level of insanity and that's understandable
@@blango-santo be fair, that was already clear with the hacked savestate.
@@gatnom clear to some extent, yes, but if you apply scientific approach, you must also do it without hacks or cheats, because you may never really know if devs added checks to in-game code that allow the game to determine if it was hacked or not. (or you reverse-engineer game code)
yes, it sounds overly nerdy, but who are we if not a bunch of super-nerds to be interested in this kind of stuff in the first place
Wow, I was legit researching this same thing. You'll have to make a video on how many Sinspawns need to be defeated, during the Sin Finn encounter on the boat, just so Kimahri can one-shot the plant in Kilika with Lancet.
I thought I saw you poking around the FFX speedrunning discord! Cool stuff man. I'm going to be following that challenge as it develops so expect more from me on that front!
Maybe there is a secret ending for doing both kimahri and skipping the 10 second cut scene with 53 hours of grinding.
This sounds absolutely alien to me, having zero knowledge on the series and subject, it made me laugh haha
Im the one who did that challenge. If you get enough levels to unlock cheer with kimahri, you can use cheer to avoid attacking with Kimahri. Then you can defeat Ragora with Tidus or another character that’s already leveled up.
@DoctorSwellman how do we take these challenges. I'm down to try and stream it
*cough cough* the damage variance is more around +- 6%, you mistakenly got the 16% by looking at the variance being 256 +- 16 / 256 behind the scenes lol
Bonus: It's not actually +- 16, it's [240, 272), which doesn't actually include the 272, making the variance extremes -6.25% and +5.86%
Thank you for the correction there!
What a fucking nerd!
*takes notes and copies* 😂
Those were words!
@@paladin400And numbers!
Oh shit it’s u
Congratulations to the player who created a challenge a hundred times more absurd than dodging lightning 200 consecutive times.
Fun fact: There’s a spot marked by a crater near one of the towers. If you run from touching the tower directly to the crater, the lightning will always, and I do mean always, strike as Tidus’ foot touches the edge of the crater. With a piece of gear that prevents encounters, some concentration, and patience, lightning bolt dodging is actually quite easy, especially since you can rest under the tower if you need a break
OMFG that was the WORST
The lighting is really easy and quick to do, once you do it once your like meh what was i worried about?
Lightning dodging was easy on a PS2 with a CRT TV. I've never pulled it off on the laggy newer systems though.
@@damiens4601 it's easy, but it's the mundanity that gets you killed lol
Tbf Keepa is pretty interesting in how he skyrockets in stats towards the end.
He becomes the Lionel Messi of Blitzball if I remember those old stat charts.
When the worst player becomes the best of the best 😂😂
Yep, took even longer to get there at launch, before we knew to score one goal and then sit behind the goalie to end each match quickly.
Nor were the best way to grind abilities really known yet.
@@osurpless what best ways? it's obvious lol, score one goal and pass the ball around to get exp, just don't fumble
also you could hire another goalie and take keepa for a stroll as defence player, passing ball to and from him to level him faster
Nah Nimrook outclasses him at max level.
I never one shot that flan before, but I do typically farm 99 of all the spheres you can get from the piranha on the salvage ship which powers up your aeons.
Basically I do this all to set up several things in my playthrough. I get 99 of the spheres to power up Valefor with roughly 450 of the max 600 battles to power up Aeons. This grinding also allows me to power up Tidus to more easily overkill Kimahri. With Valefor being stronger I can easily overkill the Garuda tutorial battle, sin's fin, and ochu later. Powered up Valefor is also how I like to farm sinscales on the boat because that many battles plus a few more on Besaid makes him easily out speed the scales. A long night of having Valefor kill scales gives our team an edge in Kilika and makes grinding out some drops easier.
All this is done to ease the transition from newbie enemies in Besaid to potentially lethal enemies in Kilika, to getting hard stuck right after Luca. You can't deny the enemy scaling is pretty insane. You literally go from enemies you aren't in any danger from, to enemies that poison and do damage, to enemies that rapidly drain your MP to stay alive and do damage. The highroad was the first time I got stuck grinding for a long time just to not run out of MP and die just trying to get to the travel agency. Every since that first playthrough I tried to find an easier way to make the transition.
Honestly though I have found other JRPGs even more brutal. My first time playing another one I passed a story point and had to completely start over after not having multiple saves. The enemies jumped drastically in difficulty and I couldn't survive even long enough to get halfway through the area to the next healing spot. I couldn't go back because the story prevented it. Now when I know a difficulty spike is coming I over level.
Great video. As I was watching it, I was thinking the whole time, "I wonder if he'll mention my video" 😂
6:43 after Tidus cuts in in half "i told you only magic can kill that thing" lmmfao
seems devs nowdays has to add easter egg to that not supposed to be killed but posible to be killed tutorials mob
just like that alternate ending on DMC V
Ligit bruh moment
When you work 100 hours just so you can prevent your smug friends from telling you "I told you so", but the say "I told you so" anyway.
What happens afterwards??
Still one of my favorite Games of All Time.🎉
This might well be my favourite game of all time but for the inability to skip cutscenes. You'd think that in the 31 million remakes they've made, someone would have come up with the "skip cutscene" idea by now.
Because of the inability to skip cutscenes, this game isn't even in my top 10.
@@quantitativediseasing9988 you dont skip cutscenes in a masterpiece,the same way you dont skip codec calls in metal gear solid,you even trigger secret ones even tho you played in 1000 times
@@carlosgaleotegandara7812 Yeah, you do. There are something like 10+ hours of cutscenes in FFX, which don't need to be watched over and over again. You might think they do and that's fine, but others don't and they should have the opportunity to skip them if they wish.
I would have replayed FFX many more times than I did if I had been able to skip the scenes. First time through a game, I'm there for the story but in subsequent playthroughs I'm there for the gameplay as I already know the story.
MGS? Never played it.
Most overrated game of all time
I love things like this and finding out how much time and resources would be required. Makes me want to try it but I never could have that patience.
Patience is not necessarily required if you decide to use save wizard for the PS4 version on the other hand if you’re using PS2 then you could use code breaker to actually do for yourself the choice is yours to make however for me I chose because I’ve already beaten this game to use save wizard to edit my safe file so that I could go through the game and enjoy the story as opposed to spending time grinding and I would recommend that you choose very carefully if you decide to use that particular computer program to edit your save
I have discovered that in some of the Final Fantasy games if you are looking to max out your levels there is a way to do that very early in the game and Final Fantasy 12 is a perfect example either the remaster or the basic version all you have to do is go to a certain area and if you are in critical condition at the time and you put the game on slow and wait that every time you press the X button it’ll pause your gameplay and you can feed this particular enemy a phoenix down and you will be jumping up levels at supersonic speed however you can’t do that with Final Fantasy X but this is just one of the things you can do with Final Fantasy 12
Again the choice of how you plays up to you and what you decide to do with your saves is also up to you have fun
This is awesome! I’m really glad other people were wondering about these forced tutorial sections too! I wanted to know what would happen here too but had no desire to actually do this legit. I messed around with a save editor to win or lose tutorials I wasn’t supposed to and uploaded the results to my channel. Sometimes some unexpected things would happen like camera angles being broken or battles just ending prematurely.
You can level Rikku up at the very start and wreck the underwater boss, too. There's also another autogrind in the frozen temple when endless guado rush you down
Heck, don’t even need to level her up. Just charge her overdrive and mix two Grenades.
i just stack those grenades and use about 4-6 times on the boss id forgot probably less 😂
I did a pretty similar thing to one shot the armored enemy tutorial fight outside Luca. Wound up killing more sinspawn on the ship than I care to remember.
I used a gameshark to max my stats and give everyone their ultimate weapon (just for kicks and giggles) but I remember it causing issues in the tutorial. Probably because i had party members I shouldn't have had at that point.
I used a GameShark 2 to have Seymour with Anima in my party on the bridge in Zanarkand. The game did NOT like that
@@nickpatrick7021 Anima used "soft lock"
here's what i got from this video, Numbers go brrrrrr and the bag was claimed! great vid as always my man!
I haven't watched all of this, so I don't know if you know, but fun fact. If you one shot the Raldo, you can't crit again. The game turns off crits so you don't crit kill it. (obviously sheer strength will kill it.) - so while killing the flan is whatever, killing the raldo can be shitty LUL
I stand corrected. didn't know the game turned off crits for the flan too. cool.
seeing these kinds of damage calculations make me so thankful for Paper Mario
I just clicked for a "HA HA HA" joke, but instead I got educated on how a seemingly impossible task turned into a speedrun. Amazing content as always, Doc 😅👍🏼
wtf?
Whoa HayanNinja is an OG on the GFaqs board! Nice
Expert Sphere Grid stays winning
Unless you are maxing out. Then your are missing a lot of sphere places
Completely unnecessary as you never need more than 9999 hp.
You dont need, right. But it looks way cooler
Yeah, I always run expert, and had about 35k hp with break health limit just to see how much health my team actually had. It had no use for me otherwise.
My old roommate had 300 hours in this game and I personally saw him defeat Sin with two physical attacks by Yuna
The most troll attack is Lulus frpm Oaka Doll 4 slot and customized and just send it for break damage hit send first enemies overfilled away from the screen view 😂
These FFX videos are always so good and well presented.
SKI9P TO 3:08 FOR REAL VIDEO
The beginning cutscene metal music piqued my interest in a new style of music, and changed my guitar playing forever. Ty.
"That was the day that bengarrett4182 discovered drop D tuning. And that, as they say, is that."
FFX players are crazy
that i agree
No you
Loser needs with no life are crazy
You clearly never met a Souls fan.
Theyre crazy in a toxic bad way
That is always what I wondered as a kid. Is it actually possible to kill them with Tidus at the beginning? Will the game crash?
20 years later I get this recommended... xD
I can't help but get a kick out of how such a ridiculous idea could end up being so interesting with things like the formula breakdown and the strategy 😆
Damn, probably took longer for these folks to 1 hit a flan than it took me to stat max my whole party. Much respect for the dedication.
I believe these may be the first documented Water Flan kills, but way back in the day (probably years before the GameFAQs thread you mentioned), there was also someone who I remember claimed to have done both this fight and the Mi'ihen Raldo tutorial -- a player by the username of KADFC, pretty prominent in the challenge scene and known as a heavy grinder. The question would then be: did he do the leveling manually or with some cheating device? I don't know the answer to that, but if anyone was going to spend dozens of hours farming Piranhas, it would be him.
Of course, those threads have probably long disappeared from the GFAQs message boards. And to begin with, I'm not sure if those posts were on threads specifically pertaining to the Water Flan/Raldo tutorials or if they were discussed on one of the dozens of challenge threads (which was where KADFC was more active).
In any case, it's nice to see video of it for the first time, I had never actually seen it :) Good stuff compiling all the info and putting it together so well, was an interesting watch for sure!
I used a primalliquid video that showed how to get op before besaid.
I remember reading that best “grind” strat was don’t leave an area until you could 1 hit enemies….it took awhile but I was comically op!
Wow! These early-game grind challenges are always impressive.
The math: Insanely complicated.
The effort needed to answer the question: There are only 99 possible levels. Just try each one until one works.
You just summarised P=NP
That wasnt complicated math at all lmao. Just find the numbers then plug it in
Actually, there are far more than 99 levels in this game, as each level only corresponds to a single stat or ability increase.
@@Skyblade12 Good point, there are less numbers to try because we already know some numbers don't result in a meaningful stat increase.
The "Kill everything in one attack" challenge seems to be impossible. The highest damaging attack in the game is Wakka's reels and it caps out at 1.2m damage. So anything that has more hp than that is out of the question.
There's yojimbo
@@Kyle-nm1kh Depending on one's definition, even Yojimbo with Zanmato can't do it, because for multi-phase bosses, each phase takes one Zanmato to kill.
@user-fq8zr2jy8w if it's impossible then there's no challenge. You 1 shot each phase because that's the next best, possible thing
if i remember right, then Anima has the strongest attack reaching 1.4 or 1.5m damage still too low but yojinbo is always a good back-up plan c:
@@Kyle-nm1kh it's no longer really a challenge if you have to rely on yojimbo once you reach end game.
Neat story, and I look forward to checking out other videos on your channel!
By the way, the ph in "sphere" is pronounced as an f. You're saying "spear", when the word is pronounced like "fear" with an s at the beginning.
Dude unlocked secret super hard mode locked behind 50 + hours of grinding.
Very well put together and fun vid, man. Thank you!!
Except he doesn't know how to pronounce flan
I was with your calculations until after 16³. Then it just went over my head.
Later in the game when you fight the zu by yourself in the desert, auron and lulu are supposed to join you mid-battle to help defeat it.. but i beat the zu with only tidus once - auron and lulu just appear next to you as the battle ends to claim credit for tidus' hard work
I would say NSG Dark Anima requires a much bigger grind
It absolutely does. Granted grinding Piranhas is probably more mind numbing.
I remember playing blitzball again and again to grind out strength spheres as a prize in order to kill the Shell in Auron's tutorial. I thought THAT was a lengthy task, but this makes that grind seem like chump change
Now for the next challenge, kill it with an overkill. I wonder how many hours would it take.
Lulu: "What the actual shit, Tidus?"
Now try killing Shinryu in no sphere grid challenge
To actually hit it with an overkill you would need to grind 99 sphere levels and my friend did it but the problem is that it took him 250 hours to grind those levels which basically means that he used to control with auto fire on PS2 which you cannot do on the PS4 so you have three choices one you can sit there and physically work for 250 hours to do the PS4 version or you can see if you can get a modified control for PS4 and remap the button so you can auto fire the battles and then you let it sit for a couple of days while the system actually works it out for you because you’re basically swimming in circles for that many hours and if you have a control that has auto fire on it on the PS4 then you could probably do that.
Remember though that if you actually do something like this and you don’t wish to modify your save then the only way to do it is by grinding 99 sphere levels which means your system is gonna be on for days and you can always do that on the PS 52 which means that your system would be on for multiple days on the same game so you better have two systems if you plan on playing something else
The other way to handle the situation is to modify your save and you can do that with the PS4 version of this game and save wizard in the end the choice is yours on how to do this but it is possible to do it the only thing I would recommend is that if you do that you’re gonna have a lot of empty spheres and saw my recommendation would be that as soon as you get a teleport sphere for Titus you take him back to the beginning and run through it again but that means that you’re gonna have to get all the way to the com lands and then teleport yourself back to the beginning of the sphere grade and go through it again which means you’re gonna have to grind which means you’re gonna need triple overdrive and AAA P which means you’re gonna have to go through a lot of hell but if you have the patience and you feel like you want to grind and then you could do that the choice is yours to make
However it is possible to do it both ways and I’ve done it both ways and so is my friend however I don’t upload videos to RUclips or anywhere else to prove that I did it so you only have my word as proof
I'm a simple man, i see FF-X video, i click
I’ve been watching this video and the person or the moderator who moderated this video basically said some thing that caught my attention.
Essentially you have two ways to play this game and one way is to grind out the hundred hours or so so that you can get yourself to a level high enough that you could knock the flying out quickly in one hit Kels the only issue I would have with it is that you’re gonna have to teleport yourself back to the beginning of the levels and you’re gonna need AAA P weapon to get yourself 99 levels before you leave the calm lands. The reason I say that is because you need to fill up every sphere on your sphere grid with different spheres for his points strength and all the other stats that go on there and that way you can have maximum stats when you get to the last city on this game that way when you fight your final battle you’re not a weakling.
The second way to play this game is to use a save editor program to either give yourself all items and all key items or maximum stats for all your players or the characters that you have control of and for some people that’s gonna be the way they want to play and for other people they are very happy grinding
For me I’m over 40 years old and I am at a point where I do not like to grind my way to victory unless I can do it on my terms and so I have set up multiple saves with multiple ways to play and I decided that it was imperative and important to do things a certain way so I decided that it was reasonable for me to utilize other means to get myself to certain levels.
Not every game is like Final Fantasy X or any of the other Final Fantasy games that are off-line only play and so I find this one to be a very interesting game and it’s storyline to be very interesting but as far as grinding goes I’m over 40 and I don’t have time to sit there for hours and grind so I’m at that point.
How are you choose to play is entirely up to you and I admire those people who feel like they have the time to sit around for 100 hours and grind games like this to a level where you can one shot kill everything unfortunately it takes hours to do in most cases and that’s if you’re honest about it
"Final Fantasy 10 speedrunning Discord" might be the most oddly specific Discord server I've ever heard of in my life
That's kinda odd. Why *wouldn't* it have its own server?
Me as a kid: I hate stupid subjects like math, I'll just make video games when I grow up.
Me now: Well, shit...
I made a video for the Raldo kill many years ago on PS4 version. You can view the spheregrid path and try it yourself.
I kinda wished I knew about this “challenge”, I noticed Valefor did more damage in my second play through and the only thing I did different was grind some fish at the start. So I made a new save after beating the game a second time and that save I would kill fish for like 10-30 minutes at a time for a year and had like 10,000 gil and decide to move with about 50 hours played. I verified my theory because Valefor was hitting for 9,999 with basic attack. Just had to protect Tidus from Tonberry’s karma attack.
I vocally said "oh no" in public when I caught on to what the run was gonna be about
Imagine if Lulu got upset after Tidus killed the flan without her help, and decided not to take part of the pilgrimage anymore 😂
This is brilliant 😂 excellent video dude
I see FFX, I click
Underated comment
I'm pretty sure a 1 hit KO challenge is impossible as some enemies like Zu can withstand a 99999 damage attack, only to fall to the ground & require another hit. I'm not even sure a multi-hitting overdrive like Blitz Ace or Attack Reels gets around that.
Would a Deathstrike or Stonestrike weapon account for those outliers?
It's not possible anyway because even a max damage attack reel can only do 1,199,988 damage and there are quite a number of enemies with more than 1,200,000 hp
@@nekogodzantetsuken
That's good and all only Yuna can't be used against Shinryu and I'm sure IT has more then 1.2 million HP.
recognized that Metroid beat the second the video started. Goodness that brings back memories
My roommate did this with a game called cosmic fantasy. The first boss is unbeatable. He wanted to see if it could be beat. Your first weapon is literally a butter knife. He killed slimes in the forest for days on end. We found out the first boss is still unbeatable but he was taking thousands of hit points off per round. This was in the mid 90s
Woah no way, I was just watching some of your videos wishing there was something new lmao.
Fantastic video topic! Please more 🙏
Iirc, the only enemy in the base story with more than 99999hp is Braska's final aeon phase 2.
So theoretically you could beat everything in the base game but that in one strike.
5:47 i wish you had shown the damage range at 30 strength
Great vgm choices my dude
If the one person truly is trying to take out every enemy in a single attack, then it'd be impossible to beat any enemy in 1 attack (that isn't Zanmato obviously) with more than 1,599,984 HP. The attack with the most hits is Anima's Oblivion and assuming every hit deals 99,999 damage, that's the best you get. That means that anything with 1,599,985 HP or more needs at least 2 damage-dealing attacks to take down.
And realistically, Oblivion won't reach 99,999 damage per hit, not against the really tough enemies.
Wow what else are they gonna find in FF10
Now THIS is quality content
Alymere, I salute You.
This is why I love the Final Fantasy community
First.
Doctorswellman commented first. We were busy getting our water 😉
8:20 not to be snarky but I wouldn't call it "genius" we all know there are different progression paths on each grid so it makes sense to check both for pathing.
Very cool video! Thanks for this
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
😎👍 Distinctive and wonderful work
this reminds me of a very old video from World of Warcraft:
the early version of the Paladin's "vengeance" skill had NO limit on how much energy it could hold, and it built up energy when he took damage.
so a clever player spent hours fighting small enemies, using daggers, and then:
ruclips.net/video/aX2JEKVn-U4/видео.html
0:57 So being forced to grind blitzball for that sigil, I've learned Keepa is actually interesting cuz he's the goalie right? But at max level, his Shooting power is 99.
So he's better than Wakka, even better than Tidus at max level. A character named Vilucha comes close at 91.
But no one's going to experience that unless they REALLY like playing blitzball cuz you can get everything you need long before level 99.
Talk about painful
Would like to hear from the original devs why they came up with such absurd formulas
Blitzball should get its own game.
Weren't there enemies in Zanarkand that has over 9,999 HP? How is he going to 1shot those when he doesn't have access to BreakDmgLimit? Correct me if I'm wrong, that's just how I remembers it.
Its always the result of having to go to a discord now and hope what you need is findable. Imagine if we could actually find what we're searching for the first time.
I saw the grind 53 hours thumbnail and was thinking what if there was a absurd challenge with an amalgamation of weird requirement's. grind 50 hours before first sin fight, kill 1000 sin mob's in the boss battle, fight ever boss 10 time's reloading each time and grinding 5-10 hours after each kill. just whatever ridiculous challenge anyone can think of times 20 unique situation's.
I did this over 15 years ago in elementary school with a cheat disc. So so so so dissappointed nothing happened lol, but was cool to try
Gonna kill every Enemy one shot? I sure hope he likes blitzball or that there is a way to grind dark matters I forgot about.
I overkilled the 1st Zu in Bikanel Desert before Auron and Lulu showed up. Not sure if that screwed anything up or not.
I'm just gonna say primal liquid has done this already and had to one shot this flan
I’m running through it now seeing about if you can beat it with zero healing outside of save spheres. Slow going but definitely possible so far
Metroid Prime music?!?! BASED
Ofc someone wants to make this challenge a speedrun xD
This was solved over a decade ago on the FFwiki forums, which are still up.
I actually did this, well something similar for some reason, back in the day. I still dont know why I did it. I also commonly gave Auron spells like Haste because he is nateually slow. I loved doing weird builds
Try Digimon World Next Order, like the first generation of Digimon World, the Grinds Never End, because your Digi will die after their lifespan, and thats the great thing about it, you can raise another different digimon with different skill set.
Just a minor nitpick when you go through formula and end up with a range, it can be very confusing if you're just using a hyphen as it looks like a minus; maybe just write 'to' instead, or have two calculations for the upper and lower limits?
Or [range,notation)
@@renakunisaki I considered suggesting that, but it might be just as confusing for anyone that isn't familiar with it
Hey, did you correct the data on wiki and/or contacted the faq authors about the bad values? Or are they still wrong?
They're still incorrect. I just now found out you can edit the Fandom wiki freely, and for the FAQ that's related to it, it's very old and I haven't dove into contacting the author. The last time they logged in to the site was about 7 1/2 years ago
@@DoctorSwellman about the fandom wiki - yeah, I was an admin on one of the FF wikis before we merged and.. we only live because of people who update the info^^ And I asked about the faqs, since one time a faq author noticed something on our wiki, and edited a 10 year old script faq for (I think) FF V :D
That’s me!
swell times lead to swell man. we are unworthy
Ah yes, the damage calculation course on Brilliant.
Huh? Expert Grid? I grinded this grid to death (weird sentence) when I was a Junior in High School after it first came out. Is this like every version except the original that has a choice of sphere grids?
I need a FFX remake asap😢
wonder if the 1-hit revolves around beelining to yojimbo asap and in the interim figuring out how to get yuna summon's overdrives to oneshot everything when possible.
Lol. Okay now try beating shinryu in one hit. No attacks can cause over 1.2mil damage.
Anima can. Round about 1.5 Mill damage
As the kind of person who likes to play through a game 1 time, then pretty much never again (i aim for 100% on that playthough when i can), this seems like madness to me. But hey, whatever makes you happy.
Playing games only one time? Sad...
@@zockerking2061 I'm just not a fan of repetition. I know a lot of people who only eat the same handful of foods and do the same sequence of activities all the time. So boring. Do people not take pleasure in novelty?