Teen prodigy's DISTURBING masterpiece will make even the toughest people squirm
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I’m 10 minutes into this story and wondering why anyone would put up with that BS. I’d have had her institutionalized.
Amen. It sucks she had to ruin her entire family's lives in order to take her own life.
Im starting to think they have an intellectual disability. I mean... she only needs her "soul", and surgical "spirits", the whole lot of them, they didn't even figure out while rubbing her with spirits she was cold and wasn't breathing.
Same here
Same here.
The loony bin, lol. Must be a delusional nutcase
This story goes to show how dangerous it is to entertain other people's delusions
They were ALL delusional to do this
@@sonyasmith5805exactly his point
@@TheAshYam That wasn't his point. You're delusional!
Thanks to contemporary Democrats, Liberals and other 'progressives' , refusing to entertain other people's delusions can get you fired and/or land you in prison!
@lotmaakchos what i mean by that is i believe he was making a correlation between modern culture and how sometimes supporting is helping someone destroy thier life.
Delusional in the fact of believing that supporting someone's bad habits is infact helping them
But i could be delusional, i guess, and reading to far into it 🤷♂️
Im 12 mins in and I'm like "were these ppl independently wealthy? How the hell can they maintain a home and life and food, seems like no one has a job!"
Exactly, and I'm also very confused as to why they all live together at age 50 and chose to give up their jobs to do so instead of living somewhere else.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten I guess it’s just a case of different cultures living different ways. I wondered the same thing as you
exactly what I was thinking till the end of the video.
They must have been wealthy. The living together thing is cultural.
@999b0a
Cultural thing or not why anyone would entertain all this nonsense I would have to break that cultural norm and move far,far away.
My Filipino parents would’ve dragged Rina out of her room and let her cook rice for dinner.
my mexican parents too 😂
FRRRRRRR LMAOOOOOOO
She was like 50 years old though so her parents were old and probably affected by her psychosis as well
Japanese people are weird
@@ansonwatling7787dont underestimate Filipino mothers, youd still get beaten with slippers and clothe hanger regardless of how old you are
Weird that Rina had made rules for the whole house hold and everyone actually listened. My family would have laughed in my face and flipped me off, if I demand anything like that. Lol
It's crazy mad the respect the Japanese & Chinese show towards each other & how they look after their parents all their life. In my home it'd be the same as yours & I'd be laughed at, lol.
@dawnmathwin6126 They have a huge respect for elders culture, though. I still think it's very out of the ordinary that this entire family listened to her.
For real.
If i tried that, id be given a whole new set of rules to catch up on after ive regained consciousness and got up otf the floor!
I was thinking she could do her Master Work under a bridge if I ran that household.
Her Masterpiece that she was working on was herself. She knew what she was doing and knew that if anyone found out they would try to stop her. That is why she didn't want anyone around her or her family members. She was trying to become Sokushinbutsu, essentially a living mummy, the spirits applied was to dehydrate and harden her body. Then abstaining from all foods and drinks until starvation. There have been several cases over the past centuries of Buddhist monks doing the exact same thing. Did it work? Maybe..... Was she crazy? Probably..... But what she did was definitely deliberate.
I came to the same conclusion
Best, most informed comment here. Brava
Just the answer i was looking for thanks and im pretty sure mrballen made a vid on how the monks done that happy someone else came to the same conclusion have a wonderful evening
Genial! Very very interesting
I have looked into that process a few years ago, and after watching this video I didn't need to see the ending to know that was Rina's intentions.
They took "favourite child" to a whole new level
rarely do I learn of a family more dysfunctional than mine
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You are sweet to say. Humble. Self deprecating. And. The good news is. . to some degree, every earthbound family is: dysfunctional. Alas. But. Such is life, eh? Respectfully submitted for your consideration Gregg Oreo Long Beach CA Etats Unis
Sad to say, this family doesn't even come close to being as dysfunctional as mine.
Me: hold my beer... 😢
She had them hiding their faces in public and locked out their own house for an art project. Wtf Man she really had some control over that family.
Maybe getting the whole family involved was a way of sharing the shame of her act and turning it into something spiritual…a beautiful work so they wouldn’t be feeling the stigma that she committed suicide.
It wasn’t a mere art project, it was a master work.
Sounds like a family cult.
Somebody should’ve slapped her a long time ago
Just like trumpy over his brainwashed cult sheep.
Sister or not, there is no way I would have tiptoed around a household member’s delusions. The whole family is a nutcase.
I totally agree. As an American I can't understand the culture of these folks but I know I love my family more than anything else on this earth and I jus couldn't let this happen
Nah man I'd be smacking some sense into my siblings if they tried something like this. Prodigy or not, ya can't force me into your shinnanigans. I don't wanna be bothered by your nonsense, would be my attitude
@@qaassimmahmood548😂😂😂 funny but true!
@@qaassimmahmood548right and everyone in the family was talented so I don't get why they all had to drop everything for Rena. Then they just became delusional.
This is a regular thing with overly talented people. They almost always lack something else in the mental department. Like logical thinking.
i've watched a lot of mr. ballen's videos but this one in particular haunts me. i'm japanese and have a lot of japanese family members who suffer from mental illness, and the crazy thing is that no one acknowledges mental illness in general- or if they do, they don't address it adequately enough. you guys might find this story insane, and it is, but if you put into context how japanese people really prioritize family units (which can be a good thing, but in this case resulted in a clear lack of boundaries and enmeshment) and at the same time have very poor, stigmatized views on mental illness, this result is not that surprising. thankfully i grew up in the states and majored in psych. this whole thing makes my skin crawl because it's somewhat familiar. great story telling as always though
Is the stigma of mental illness a cultural thing in japan?
@@444Dragoncheese unfortunately yes. i'd say japan is ahead on a lot of things like environmentalism, tech, medicine, anything that requires detail and efficiency, but are waaaay behind when it comes to social issues. women are treated like crap, same sex marriage is still not legal, bullying is rampant amongst school-kids and the adult workplace, and mental health is ignored. because it's a collectivist country, anyone who goes against the status quo there is not viewed kindly by the japanese (unless you're a foreigner, they're more lenient since you're not one of them). it's common for even close friends to not disclose that they're dealing with mental health issues to one another since it's considered shameful. it is getting better, but the progress is really slow.
@@victoriahiromi2256damn that sucks... filipinos are all about family too but damn they won't tolerate thsi behavior lol
thanks for the perspective.. i thought it was interesting but didnt judge as I understand when someone has a gift, the family does tend to gravitate toward that persons gift in any culture, i mean look at the hollyweird families of child stars.. but yeah your take makes it make more sense as to how it could have went left as it did. thank you
I live in the UK and have used surgical spirit for years. Every time I buy some, the pharmacists tell me that I can only buy one 200-500ml bottle at a time because sometimes people with alcohol dependency will buy or steal it to drink, and it has dangerous side effects when ingested. I'm flabergasted that they bought so much of it virtually every day, and it took months for the pharmacy staff to notice or question them
What is a surgical spirit? What does it do?
@@anyaaa2801 I guess you already googled it,but this is thing you use to kill all microbs
@@anyaaa2801 you dilute it and drink it. At least that's what my alcoholic neighbour say.
I clean brushes with it.
@@informitas0117are you joking
AND the only reason they realized anything was because of the smell of decay permeating off the two siblings. It's crazy they were able to buy so much, I guess it really didn't raise any suspicions.
This story should be seen as awareness about shared psychosis. It's very rare but it can happen.
Shared psychosis..lol
@@jilesmason7495 I don't see what's funny about that
Yes I guess you could see it that way as related by ballen. The story is way more complicated and doesn't take into account the cultural or religious aspects at all. The "work of art" was just a ballen misdirection turning it into a creepy pasta.
@@jilesmason7495 ?
They don't believe in science. Likely a republican.@@heyitsspooky6904
Honestly every single one of those family members had a mental problem with Rina having the most severe mental problem yet she had total control over all of them. What a bizarre family. That’s what happens when you don’t get the proper help for for a relative having a complete mental break
I don't think there is help for people that far gone.
@@neillscott4192 early intervention is the key. But if people are not educated enough to spot the early development of psychosis then nothing's gonna help
This was only one family, but not that unusual across all cultures. It's usually religion that kills peoples' common sense. David Koresh, Magdalena Solís, Rajneesh Movement, NXIVM are just a few examples of this. And think of how many people were under Jim Jones' spell and literally, drank the Kool Aid.
@@neillscott4192 maybe a very long stay in the state hospital
@@user-nonononon00 Rina's family didn't get her help because they all were crazy too.
This whole story is soo bizarre. Like it’s fine to support your siblings and everything but you have to put your foot down. Rina was clearly mentally ill and unstable and had an anger issues.
Likely Takahiro had made up the story about Rina wanting to reconcile because he didn't want Yoshika to think Rina had died on such poor terms with her. Of course, he probably didn't expect that she would ever find out that the death had occured prior to the 'reconciliation'
None of them believed she was dead
No teen prodigy here, just a psychotic with a midlife crisis: Rina was 49 y.o. - Yoshika 56, Takahiro 50. The whole family suffered from mental illness.
Was gonna say - after googling she was almost 50.
gradual process of Rina, as the dominant personality, imposing her psychosis (folie imposée) on the other weaker members of the family (folie à famille)
Big "mistake" on the ballen team. This makes it even sadder and more horrifying.
@@wadejohnston4305 he literally aid the ages
@@wadejohnston4305 well, I doubt it was a mistake really. The story takes place when they're older, but she WAS a teen prodigy.
So… I don’t know who was more crazy, either the sister or the entire family that allowed this to happen instead of intervening and putting her in a mental hospital.
It’s not clear how much of it actually happened . There is little evidence of it online other than a reclusive family that wouldn’t accept that their youngest was dead.
This is folie a deux
@@saysHotdogsmadness for 2
Transsexual Sex changes 101
I'm crazy for you..
Imagine someone jokingly tells you that youre aggressive and to prove them wrong you respond by lashing out aggressively and hitting them.
I want these last 40 minutes of my life back. They were all nuts, and this very detailed story was way too long and got me dizzy.Still like you, Mr.
Skill issue
This is a friendly reminder to everyone that setting boundaries with people, even family, can be a good thing.
I am a bit concerned about rena because she made the rule for the whole house and I know she is doing her experiment in private and I know rena got offended by the joke but I am a bit confused when Rena added 4 locks to the front door and I do like Rena's experiment to be honest and I like doing experiments too
Asians are very hyper loyal to their families. That is why they tolerated and even supported her (Rina).
Never mix art and family. Trust me.
@@jaysonthetrainmasterprofil221 What do you mean "concerned about Rena" the girl is deceased 😭
@@jaysonthetrainmasterprofil221shes dead 😭
I actually can't believe they allowed her to completely control all their lives for that long, especially when they were both so talented. Hopefully they are doing what they love now.
It probably didn’t happen as described.
@@63rambler66 yeah that possible
the power of manipulation
Waste of time story unlike all your others which are still with me Temembet in NH your friends mom and dead dad?
Kkkji ki jjjj7
My experience with The royal college of music is that the establishment is absolutely full of snobs who think everyone is below them, and the admin team severely bully their staff.
I like how the story was being portrayed and is focused on what the family's disturbed mind thought had happened..truly a horror..😱
I'm schizophrenic and when I had my first psychosis the sky talked to me and the walls grew eyes looking at me all around the clock. For me that was simply what was happening, the logical part of my brain that would check if this was really the case, was just shut off. I didn't have the ability to question - and I think this family was the same.
A bunch of savants with mental health issues.
My family never would have put up with Rina's BS. She'd have been dragged out of that room within 8 hours of her nonsense and forced to help with chores.
It’s all because Rina had a lot of money!
8hrs?? Max 5 min
@@shrinilt8757 lol I am thinking the same thing 😂😂😂 I have Caribbean parents 5 mins max and a severe beating would come right after 😂😂😂
The entire family was insane. I know of a young guy in Japan who basically lives in his room and never goes out of it. His parents supported his education as a kid and pushed him to study all the time, even had school on weekends. He was a really smart kid and excelled but something happened when he got older. Now, as far as I can tell he’s just a wild nut case.
They (the Japanese) can do really good individually but it seems at a great cost.
She was brilliant and exceptional so the case is different here
this didn't end as bad as I expected. when her brother said "it's time to do your part" and took Yoshika with him into the room I thought for sure she will be sacrificed.
She was, from then on, everything they did was a crime. The only reason the charges were dropped, is because none of them were mentally well enough to understand what was happening. Because of this, neither this pianist, nor her brother, who is a gifted writer, will ever be able to work again. And because of all the publicity, they will never have friends outside of the home. If that's not a sacrifice, I don't know what one is. Their lives are over, now they can only reminisce about whatever happy times they might have had in the past.
Same,.. I thought the whole family would be physically sacrificed.
Really? I thought it was clear pretty early on that she was going to kill herself. Everything pointed at that.
Same
I thought the exact same thing 😬
The most kind boggling part of this is the families enablement of her insanity. They allowed themselves and Rena to get to that point.
One of my favorite things about these videos is the outtakes of you laughing at the ridiculousness of your like button jokes. Always makes me giggle, I love it!
This reminds me of that family in India that committed mass suicide because they were convinced that one of their family members were being possessed by their dad patriarch’s soul and was giving them instructions to live on in the afterlife. Crazy how none of the people in that family and in this family dared to question the absurdity of the situation they were being forced to by their family member. Shared psychosis really hits hard.
Yes, I thought of that same family, too. Mr. Ballen featured that story once.
You probably heard that on this channel too. Lol
When I saw that docu serie on Netflix, I couldn’t sleep for days. It still haunts me.
Typical third world brains
@@Mello2310what's the name of the docuseries? I must've missed it.
I’m only 8 minutes in but miss Rena would have a swift reality check in my household. No one gets to dictate everyone else’s life like that. Infuriating.
ik, and everyone says culture and i understand, but as a southeast asian, my dad would have strung me up by my entrails. utterly insane
I don't think the family told the actual story. I think they knew Rina was trying to mummify herself for religious reasons, and they helped her do just that. I think this is just a case of religion taken to the extreme. She was probably trying to become like those Buddhist monks that died meditating as a path to enlightenment.
The mother is 100% the culprit here, Asian households are pure dictatorships, so basically this was the moms call, and the kids were obligated to follow.
Exactly. I get Rina was likely mentally ill, but if I had tried what she did with my family they would have probably laughed in my face, and if I had continued I would have been kicked to the curb, and rightfully so.
@@Corredor1230what kind of religion is that 💀
as a hispanic none of this would of flown, its insane to me how people can be raised like this.
What, raised around abuse? Yeah, it happens. Its called - abuse
Word. No matter what racial group though, this would NEVER fly in most households period. The family ALLOWED this happen yet had the power to stop it, so I'll never feel bad for 'em. 🤷🙄🤦
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That is such a sick, sad family. Clearly, the two girls were prodigies, but crossed that thin line into insanity. The idea that Rina controlled the family - even after death - is just sick. What a tragic story. Ugh.
Well many people who have high intelligence will fall into mental illness or worst into insanity which happened to the entirety of the family they became delusional, i think it's the stress of having so much in you're mind drive people who are really smart and talented into insanity which is really sad and limited their potential capabilities
@@hallooos7585 you also feel very lonely. Almost no one can relate to how you think
Not just that, although its obvious thats true, i think their beliefs/religion may have played a part. Not that religion is wrong, but delusions plus religion can damage people. The way they spoke of her spirit made me wonder.
What religion? They had no religion lol. That was purely mysticism😂
TBH I think she was a narcissist
i spent this entire episode convinced that rina would kill her family, and even tho she didn’t she was clearly very emotionally abusive to her family
Yeah was thinking that she would sacrifice them all for whatever master work she intended to do, but she selfishly kept her deluded family controlled by emotionally blackmailing them for decades, using them as guinea pigs. Judging by these comments She was likely carrying out a Japanese ritual where she embalmed herself to be worshiped for eternity 😅 the whole family is mentally ill and completely lost from reality, if you ask me.
Ya i was thinking the same thing, like the help she needed was for them to die so she could make their bodies apart of the "masterpiece"
I was thinking the exact same thing !
She wasn't emotionally abusive. At all. Not even a little bit. She was mentally ill and so were her family members. She didn't have the mental capacity to have intent or manipulate anybody for it to be abuse. And on the flip side, we're talking about a group of adults who were fully capable of standing up for themselves and making their own decisions. They chose to obey and stay and revolve their lives around their sister...because they were all mentally ill. Not abuse.
@@Egypt_Cat_Of_Denial Wrong
This explains so much about that case! I watched a different video, that only said that her siblings thought she was still alive. I had wondered why the brother was applying rubbing alcohol to her skin, if he thought she was alive.
It also didn’t mention the “masterpiece” she was working on, just that her siblings were letting her “choose her own path”.
Watch the video to the end.
Barely half way in , and i can already see that this family all have a couple of screws loose.😂
They were all batshit crazy. Yoshika should’ve had all three committed, sold the place and bought a piano bar.
I refuse to believe that in 10 minutes of rubbing Rina repeatedly she never noticed a lack of movement pulse or breathing, especially in someone small
@@monkeythemooch141no to mention no body heat. Touching a cold body you think is alive would be pretty alarming
Right! lol..The whole family was being abused!
If the family still believed she was alive after her body was removed from the house, I can believe they thought she was alive when rubbing her body with alcohol. Very delusional. 😢
Absolutely
Rina's sister: "You have this line on your hand, it might mean you're aggressive, heheh."
Rina: *screams, yells, rants, calls everyone else idiots, beats the hell out of her sibling*
Way to show 'em how wrong that statement was.
Yep lmao, classic.
Now that part was funny!! 🤣🤣
You do realize Mr Ballen is full of shit right?
The family let their mentally ill sister die in her room and tried hiding the death with the surgical spirits, they played the crazy card in order to avoid responsibility.
The reason they were hiding on their trips to the store is because they knew what they were doing was to hide something illegal.
It's actually disgusting that this dude is spinning this narrative because Rina was the victim, why is he trying to blame her death on herself?
I wouldn't expect anything less from a crazy person.
It's one of those types of emotional outbursts that are not uncommon in young children but as an adult is a HUGE red flag.
It's usually a sign that they're extremely manipulative/narcissistic, were never adequately disciplined growing up, or have severe emotional/mental health problems. Or a some combination of thereof.
Either way, unless you're a licensed mental health specialist and are being paid these people should be avoided at all costs. It's not worth it.
I will never understand why they even remotely entertained this madness.
I really appreciate how the story is being narrated from the lens of one of the deceased family. The narration felt like reading the life of a psychological thriller protagonist's outlook.
I feel so bad for Yoshika. Giving up her career for...that person... 😕
You mean her mentally ill sister, who she presumably loved despite her issues…?
Clearly the mental health issues ran through the entire family.. to get to the stage of performing at the highest level then give it all up because a reclusive relative prefers silence. That decision alone is the worst part for me, as a musician. On the bright side, seems none of them ever had to go to work, so maybe life wasn't so bad..
@@user-mk8yh1gv5r yes? It's not like giving up her career was to save her life. No, it was literally to sit home and do her bidding
A career, music career at that level, just to make a mummy. How disappointing
I see both your points so clearly. Its a lot to take in. I couldn’t imagine…
@@user-mk8yh1gv5r in a Norma situation this girl would be sent to medical care regardless of her wishes. This whole family is crazy. And she had to give up her career to take care of this mentally ill person
This played out like a Japanese horror movie. So strange and borderline unbelievable but it still happened.
Psychological horror
There is anime based on this story!
Almost sounds like a Twilight Zone episode
@@kathyborthwick6738whats the name?
@@kathyborthwick6738name?
My mom would laugh while my dad smacks me in the teeth with a crocodile leather belt while also laughing along with my siblings if i ever demanded things like that bahahahha
I had a brother who was controlling like Rena, but she is way worse than my brother. But I know how the sister feels because it feels so isolating. Like you have no control of anything and you're trapped. It's to the point that you try to find anyway to have some control but that soon gets taken away. I'm sort of worried how this video will end though.
I was listening to this story peacefully with my eyes closed and when you hollered "seagull lung!!!" I about had a heart attack 💀
Same. I like his stories but I wish he would not yell so loud in his ads. 😨
Agreed. I used to listen to MrBallen when I went to bed but can't anymore.
Same!! It was sooo obnoxious! Bc of how loud he was, I just fast forwarded it, instead of listening to his gibberish.
You just made me laugh so hard! That had to be so jarring. It's good his commercials are so entertaining.
Me and old SSSSSSEEAAGAHLLL LLLAWHNNG.
Rina's response to her sister's palm reading about Rina being aggressive is to deny it aggressively is the funniest shit I've heard today.
I giggled at that as well! 🤭
“Point proven” is all that was needed to be said lol
Right? Lmao. :::punches her in the head::: “how dare you say I’m aggressive?!! :::kicks her in the shin::: “everyone says how sweet and calm I am! :::slaps the spit out of her::: “that should teach you from ever insinuating I’m an angry person again!” :::one last kick as she walks away mumbling about idiots who don’t understand her at all:::
@punkzira already your pseudo doesn't need funnier things that itself:)
This should have resulted in forced care for Rina. She obviously has severe mental or emotional problems.
She was ready to reconcile having reached the end of her master work.
Bros guilt overtook him and he wanted to listen to the other sister before he killed her as well.
Wonder what happened to the father
Its honestly tragic to see an entire family reinforce one member's schizophrenia and everyone loses in the end.
I lived in Japan for many years. During that time I had an English student who was a priest at a famous temple. He told me of immortal monks who had essentially mummified themselves alive. They had undergone a regimen that included a diet of pine tree resin and other ingredients and had entered into a state of deep meditation. He talked of these monks, who were hundreds of years old, as if they were alive. It seemed to me that he believed they were indeed alive. He was a lucid and intelligent man but I think he really believed it.
I wouldn't be surprised if he really did. People can be smart, reasonable and yet have a belief about some certain thing that has no basis in reality.
Yes I have heard of this they are stones and would put hem deep in the ground with an air hole then check if they had attained what ever it was they were going
Found it
Sokushinbutsu
I mean, Christians believe Jesus died for 3 days and then came back to life. No religion is rooted in logic or reality because if you believe it you're already believing that there is another set of reality somewhere else in the afterlife, that's the point.
@@relight6931 You don't know what's reality though relight.
@@falloutx23if they tugged back on rope, or was it a bell. The others knew they weren't physically dead yet. Then the ones that had totally mummified, some were incased into Budda Statues. I've seen some shows about it. Very interesting to me
Rena was such a genius that she managed to take her personal diagnosis of psychosis and pass it on to the rest of her family, who were intelligent people themselves, like it was the common cold. Chilling
Yes it's so terrifying!!
I don't think it had anything to do with genius, they saw her "masterpiece" as a jackpot. Simple case of greed and hysteria.
They were not really intelligent people. They were all just mentally ill.
Shared psychotic disorder is a rare disorder characterized by sharing a delusion among two or more people in a close relationship. Mr. B’s actually covered a few stories about people that had it.
Most gifted people lack some other skills. This family seems to be gifted in the arts and lacking personal skills.
You're an incredible storyteller! I don't know why it's taken me this long to discover your channel, but I'm glad that I have!
Been watching you off an on for a couple of years. Very engaging. I like how you make people aware of whether a photo is real or not.
What I find the most fascinating is how the sister and mother grew accustomed to smell of decay. I’m sure the smell wasn’t as bad as leaving a body in the sun but the pharmacist could smell it and the sister seemingly had no clue. Amazing how the brain can almost force you to be unaware of your surroundings if it rationalizes abnormal behavior and environmental factors
Well since the implication is Rina didn't shower it's likely the smell of the room was already overpoweringly bad. Combine that with the strong smell of rubbing alcohol and you may not notice the smell of decay. However, the smell of decay lingers much more than filth and body odor, so when they walked to the pharmacy that would still be there and very noticeable.
After just two weeks almost anything can become your new "normal". As for the smell, when your scent receptors are exposed to the same smell 24/7 you cease to be aware of it.
Nose-blind. They got used to it.
I smelled a ripe dead body years ago. It was a mixture of poop and chrese. The body had turned black
To be fair, it's like if you don't have a dog and you go to someone's house that has a dog - no matter how much they clean it and no matter how clean and well groomed the dog is, there is always a specific smell of dog that you can pick up on and they can't because they've become accustomed to it.
The line between genius and madness is a fine one. Honestly thought it was going to be more horrific. I half expected her to murder her family or attempt to murder them for her masterpiece. I can't believe they let themselves be sucked in by her delusion.
I too was waiting to hear how she had murdered her family and incorporated them into her “masterpiece”, potentially ending in a kelf-sill making it complete.
I use These Spirits in order to clean up my hand-made solid .925 Sterling Silver and Solid 14kt yellow gold jewelry in my ultrasonic. I honestly didn't know all the other uses of this and definitely didn't know this chemical compound can help in ACTUAL MUMMIFICATION of a body either! WOWZA!
Now this makes me rethink Ancient Egyptian Mummification practices on dead bodies or on living bodies before death to preserve fully in-tact bodies.
I honestly feel and my heart goes out to this family in these regards since Rina was actually DRINKING this stuff secretly and using it as a "FRONT" in the form of her "Masterwork" to get finished. This is truly sad that Rina's "Masterwork" was her actual death.
My main question is this: Did Rina's sister and her brother actually hear her voice even though she died in her bedroom after the fact, or not? If they did, then that's Truly a Paranormal Investigation that needs to be performed and get their take on this one along with their information to add this whole collective story.
@MrBallen you rock, and thank you for your posts, your stories, and all the work you do to keep your stream fresh all the time. I honestly don't know how you do it yet I Love it, since I Myself am a Digital Creator and an Amateur "INDEPENDENT JOURNALIST".
I love documentaries, stories, etc. in relation to all of my interests. You nail them all which is why I Am hooked on your y/t channel @MrBallen.
I was waiting to catch a glimpse of some truly horrific and terrifying painting that she had created, I didn't realize she herself was the masterpiece
I kinda think this was renas plan all along, to die. For her death to be the masterpiece. I'm sure she knew of many other "genius tortured souls" who die for their work. And she kept saying her visionary soul this and her soul that so I think she believed she was just like them. Dying for her art, a martyr. She was batshit crazy and dead wrong, she didn't seem brilliant she seemed like a narcissistic ass. But hey, hindsight is 20/20
@@DanielleKay972 yeah and the fact that she did initially tell her brother to rub alcohol all over her body every day or whatever. Sounds like she knew EXACTLY what she was doing.
This story was incredible. You always deliver anything you talk about so well!
You did a great job with telling this story. It’s pretty crazy!
From the beginning of this story I was struck by how the family allowed 1 member to completely control them!! Making demands on what they could or couldn’t do, demanding they adopt the secret language. I don’t know any family who would put up with such a self absorbed family member. I think I can safely say that any family I know would quickly be suspicious of mental illness & take action for her to be evaluated & treated. I’m guessing as she essentially held her family prisoners, they had a mental breakdown & became delusional.
It's the same way people end up subjecting themselves to abuse, which is kind of what it sounds like this started as. It probably started off as care and concern. I'm sure her mother would do anything to care for her. Her sister was probably riddled with guilt. Maybe even her mother and brother guilted her as well. Her brother likely felt responsible as the man of the household since their father passed. And it likely happened slowly over time. They said she first started acting as a recluse after college. And she was in her 40s when she passed, so this was probably at least 20 years. But without a doubt, that family is traumatized and manipulated.
A slap would've been nice to her, rena, cause I've seen children who uses parents favoritism to achieve things
Doesn't help that in Asian cultures seeking help for mental illness is apparently frowned upon.
Me to. Like what the hell
i think the family is lying and they did something to her, how in the world do you not realize someone is dead while you've actively applied something to their body multiple times??? and like you said there is no way any family would allow 1 family member to control them for decades
If I acted like Rina and demanded all these things of my family I would've gotten my ass beat so hard regardless of if I was a prodigy or not. 💀
Exactly! 💯💯💯
Lmao right! And holy water thrown on me probably
i know right?
Yep,my family would beat my ass if I show my altitude toward them if they didn't follow the rules before finding out that cause by mental illness
The Belt of Chaos and the Slippers of Olympus would smack me back to reality.
Hi MrBallen, Thank you very much for clearly stating that your channel is about cases "in story format".
This is not my cup of tea personally, so i would like to thank you for pointing this out early on in the video, before i started wondering what all the talespinning was about.
Keep up the good work! :)
i’m so confused, what was her ‘master plan’?
Super late to this but I’m pretty sure she was mummifying herself, the spirits used, not eating, wanting peace and quiet. It’s called Sokushinbutsu and it’s a Japanese practice done by monks. (Her master plan was herself)
You know, if anybody had tried that ("I'm a delicate genius! You must obey my rules!") in my household or family, they would have been told, "yeah, good luck with that...."
That’s what I was thinking the whole time lol no idea why they just obeyed her instead of giving her actual consequences. I def would’ve just kicked her out or sent her to get help. The non voluntary kind.
The whole family is obviously mentally unstable.
Exactly! Like go be a delicate genius in your own apartment then.
Yeah same, and also "Sounds like you need to move out into your own space"
My momma would have broken a switch off the tree and showed that a$$ just how special they were 😂
A lot of people, even if it's hereditary, will only show symptoms of schizophrenia in early adulthood or late teens. Which is why we'd sometimes hear stories of people going "crazy" after getting into college.
Well ya, that's how mental health disorders work. They're created through a combination of early childhood trauma and genetic factors, so they tend to appear in the late teens and early adulthood.
Or as they become seniors and "get religion."
He forgot to mention that in their religion, Buddhism, they believe it is possible for Buddhist monks and other holy people to self mummify. And they basically believe that these dead mummies are alive and have ascended to Nirvana to the point where they don't need to eat or drink but are still alive in a state of perfect meditation. These Buddhist monks would slowly starve themselves to end themselves. It really is a fascinating subject you should for sure look it up on your own but that's what they believed she was doing. Put in that context shows that they weren't schizophrenic. They just were believing a religious practice. If this had happened in their home country she might have been seen as a holy person. The equivalent to a Catholic saint. I'm surprised he didn't mention this in the video because it's the explanation for how this happened and what was going through their heads.
Yeah, I’ve watched the transition happen a couple times.
Dudes were generally normal, then while on meth they started hearing voices, and it never stopped.
Both times they ended up in the psyche ward, and have battled with it since.
The drug was only a trigger for a genetic loaded gun. Still, only the second worst drug I’ve encountered.
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That's a very extreme belief within Buddhism and most Buddhists reject it. It's unique to Japan which is not surprising considering the role of suicide in traditional Japanese society. There is a profit motive for the temple to have a "real" sokushinbutsu mummy on display. Some scholars have concluded self-mummification is a myth arguing the mummies on display died and were preserved naturally. They were put on display and a story made up to collect more donations. Personally I think several dozen to a couple hundred monks have probably given it a go since the 7th century.
I really enjoy being able to listen and not just watch. So I can multitask. More folks should make their videos able to be like that!
This is WILD. And you are an incredible storyteller
It really is tragic seeing these seemingly brilliant people get taken down by severe mental illness. Rina, Yoshika, and Takahiro all appeared to be highly intelligent and talented. What a damn shame.
Genius and mental illness almost always go hand in hand.
My family was mentally ill. It was difficult getting thru life
Not intelligent enough to understand that they were killing her sister and she was also killing herself at the same time.
@kelseykciuk7809 it's not a lack of intelligence. Mental illness makes it impossible to reason properly, even if the underlying person is extremely intelligent. Clearly they were intelligent enough to know their sister was dead, but they were suffering from severe psychosis.
@@christ9359 probably or they themselves were suffering from a delusion.
Idk what is more disturbing? The fact that Yoshika has world knowledge and didn't see the problem, the fact that mom encouraged it, the fact that the brother was willingly clueless or that they all just went along with it. But mainly, I would think they'd notice that, oh idk, SHE DIED!
voluntarily closing yourself, is already dangerous.
I mean, _monks_ of various religions do it, but they don't completely _close themselves_ to the world, they go to _surround themselves with like-minded monks_ who _then_ close off as group in order to explore other ways of living.
what happened here was not only an instance of _closing off to the world,_ but one of doing that _in the context of a family of Japanese heritage,_ where respect is given to parents and their will, and where most likely the parent ruling over that will had agreed to this closing-off behavior.
unironically a pairing of hunger with the cravings, almost quite literally, and in the worst case possible.
They must have smelt her stench, I doubt they didn't notice she died. Takahiro at least would have known rina was dead when he burst in.
@@epic7224 I can 100% believe they didn't smell it. Nose blindness is a real thing. That's why heavy smokers can't smell the stench on their clothes. How kids of smokers go to school reeking of cigarettes and the whole class can smell it but they don't have a clue. How animal hoarders can't smell the overflowing litter boxes, piles of dog shit, or the rotting animal corpse behind the dresser.
This exactly makes me question even more if this (what the family is telling) ever even happened. I mean all of her supposed "shenanigans" were disclosed BY the family AFTER Rina's death. Who to say the story isnt something TOTALLY different?
Lowkey could’ve taken one Google search
Support? This is enabling to a crazy degree.
this was amazing, you really made it seem like everything was normal. but then explaining from the phamasists side that everything the sister said was actually insane, that was a wild shock back to reality. You should do more cult videos, cause people dont realize how easy it can be to get wrapped into one of those, but actually having that kind of experience (obviously in a more calm and safe way) can be really eye opening to people. Really, if you had just added the song Yoshika played for her sister at the end, this would be an amazing piece of art. but still bravo that was amazing
I grew up with a older schizophrenic brother, there was never any conversation in the house because he thought we were talking about him, so then he would kick off bigtime smashing furniture. That caused me to grow up not knowing how to talk to people, which made me look weird.
That's really sad 😥
Sibling abuse is so so so under talked about but so important
Ya. My younger brother is also schizophrenic. He tried to kill me once because he thought I threatened to kill him. While was quietly sitting next to him, scrolling through tic tock...... and then he tried. Strangers parked near where he parked to "kill" me, saved me, and called police.
Ya.. ok. 😂
@@KA-om9ozstop laughing.
My aunt faced a similar problem as Rina, often believing she was under surveillance by the government or that her neighbors were conspiring against her. She even urged my family to communicate using secret codes and took various precautions to prevent perceived misfortunes.
We initially considered seeking psychiatric help for her, but this idea only exacerbated her condition, as she firmly believed she was perfectly fine. However, knowing her belief in the supernatural, including ghosts and psychics, we opted for a different approach. We took her to a specialist, presenting them as a psychic.
Thankfully, after several therapy sessions, she has shown significant improvement in her condition.
Honestly presenting them as a psychic was the smartest thing I've ever heard.
After living under the Biden administration.. I don’t think she was as crazy as you think she was. She may have been on to something
amazing, thank you for sharing your story. i pray things continue to improve for your family.
I truly wish you and your aunt the best.
However, this option that you took will not work in the long run. You guys are her only link to reality, but now you are playing into and reinforcing her delusions. You are also being conned by whoever this "therapist" is. Prepare yourself for when you will have to make the hard decision to have your aunt involuntarily committed to a hospital for awhile so she can be stabilized and get some clarity back in her life. Schizoid disorders are true hell and it will be terrifying, saddening, and agonizing to all of you who love your aunt, but still nowhere near what she experiences on a daily basis. I'm just speaking from experience, so I really hope you don't take this the wrong way. Please just do some serious research into schizoid disorders. Please start there.
I sincerely hope that your aunt will soon have back the stability and clarity in her life that she deserves.
Take care of each other, and stay strong.
You lied to a mental person. Low blow.
She was so brilliant, she believed she was capable of "Enlightenment"
It must be amazing to have family so loving to respect her need for quiet and space.
As others have mentioned, this was definitely a case of Rena mummifying herself like the sokushibutsu monks. The isolation in her room, the noise would have interfered with her meditation state and i definitely believe the family knew exactly what she was doing and willingly helped her. But obviously they denied it and played the mental health card as it's a criminal offence to aid in suicide
Yep. The moment he said she didn't eat and that they handed her embalming-type fluids.... It was pretty apparent she was hoping her soul would separate from her slowly dying physical form. 😩 Family 100% was involved.
Well, I mean, they WERE insane.
Yess this is what I was thinking! I had just learnt about that a couple months ago but couldn't remember the name itself. Thank you
Denial , the ability to see what we want to see and hear what we want to hear is amazing and terrifying !!! One would think they had to have some idea of what she was up to but.....
It's her decision to do such kind of suicide.. and.. different culture, different values!
I am amazed at that family dynamic, how the whole family just let Rina call the shots and make the rules. For the siblings to put their careers on hold even though Rina wasn't selling her artwork, makes you wonder how they supported themselves and is sad that they were unable to do what they loved because she didn't like the noise or wanted them to support her. What a sad situation for the family.
I would have left, gone to live far away from them.
They blamed a corpse for their actions, claiming it was giving them orders. What makes you think they are not the reason she's dead? Their story is not believable. Rina's side was never told.
It's a narcissistic family dynamic and a little extreme. Rina was the golden child.
@@user-mf7xm2uz3z bro don’t ever use that emoji again 😭 wtf
They didn't just put their bloody careers on hold but almost all normal life as well. Staying home, hiding their faces, shadow existence.... no friends, no sports, no dating , no community , no future children or spouses? Absolutely crazy!
I love how you laugh at your self. This channel is awesome
Wow. Thank you Draft Kings. For retroactively hyping Seagull Lungs and MrBallen to such an extent, that they literally rose from the dead, got in touch with you, made this video, got sponsored by you, so that they could become so hyped that their past selves came back to life. Thus saving their lives! Thank you Draft Kings.
Interesting that 2 grown adults who seemed very intelligent actually did all this for their insane sister. Absolutely nuts.
This whole story is just not adding up for me 🤨 so many unexplained questions, nothing makes sense. Intelligent people get sucked into this without any knowledge of subject, any proof/evidence of work? They don’t ask any questions let alone even think for themselves? It sound like they was only book smart and that’s all they had. Common sense had no space in it. I mean how do intelligent people not realise a body they attend to was not responsive at alllll ???
@@ReenaK-np3bi Intellect has nothing to do with emotional IQ. Many make poor choices despite knowing better. People know drugs are not good, do them anyway, and so on.
Psychosis. Years of mental abuse enabled by culture had to have something to do with their descent to madness.
That's the down side of being able to do anything for a loved one. That include the good, the bad and the absolutely unhinged
@@ReenaK-np3bi totally. I was shaking my head for most of it- but in their culture, family is everything and you do take care of them. From what I understand. But they all must be a little mentally ill or unhinged that they believed in her wacky plan. And the medical spirits? What logical person would continue to buy those with no explanation?
Schizophrenia usually occurs in women in their early 20s. Rina’s behavior is consistent with someone who developed this mental state. The family should have confronted her and had her institutionalized. She needed professional help and support
My sister started medi college and she snap out and got scizophrenia... Also her iq was higher then einstein... That what doctor diagnose.
This whole family had mental health issues to support such behaviour
That is very true. It is very clear with the symptoms. She was very paranoid.
Sad thing is shame is a driving component in many Japanese families. I was raised in a predominantly Japanese community, everything was about apologies and not making waves 🥺
@@IslandBuzzyhow sad. Ive always thought it was about respect, not shame. I feel very sorry you went through that.
Yes! I’m hooked on the channel which is really good because I’ve run out of stuff to watch.OMG🙀🙀🙀This story. I didn’t expect the end. You are such a good story teller. I will have to listen again😵💫😮💨
Mrballen, you crack me the hell up with your new remark each video in reference to the like button! Even worse is for some time I kept thinking there was some feature to the like button that I wasn’t aware of but after todays I’m pretty sure your doing it for shits and giggles! I love your work by the way! Keep it up! It’s one of my favorite shows to watch! I can watch them till I fall asleep every night so keep uploading more bc I might have hit the limit on the ones available to watch! Thanks for sharing your talent which is kickass for narrating these mystery stories. Keep up the ballen work my friend! Love, peace, & chicken grease! 🤘🏻💓
I think Rina was trying to perform Sokushinbutsu, or self mummification. It was a common practice among Japanese Buddhist monks and involved starving oneself. It was believe that through this practice that a monk’s soul, if pure enough, would ascend to a level of enlightenment. I think after Yoshika made the comment about the line on Rina’s hand, it drove Rina to prove she wasn’t evil and was instead pure. It would explain the palm reading book and the surgical alcohol she had her siblings buy. And why she refused to eat.
I actually thought about that too! I wondered if she was trying to achieve something like that. I don't know enough about it but I think maybe you are right.
wow! thats a good take!
My thoughts exactly. That's why she wanted the house so clean I bet... prevent bugs and such from being as much of an issue.
@@yaobikuni1349"was" . The practice has historical roots. Not a common practice, definitely not in modern times, but it was known to happen in the past. Most known to be performed by monks rather than by common people
@@yaobikuni1349 Nerd Alert
Your team is excellent. I love how you kept saying *we * at the start. You know you're not doing all this by yourself and they deserve the credit.
“Teamwork makes the dream work” I believe is a saying that could describe that 👍😁
I am not 💯 but I think a family member writes for him
no way, he puts these together. he always tells the stories to his wife though to gauge her reaction before posting his videos.
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@@virginiadeel8087… Whoever it is, they do an awesome job, whether it be an immediate family member or even a close friend ✋️😎👍
But you havent watched 10 mins of the story? hope you will send your feedback watching the entire content rather than be disrespecful
Here in the States you can have a family member like that institutionalized against their will for this behavior, and you could even potentially face charges if you didn't call the authorities here.
Yeah - same as in any other country 🤷♀️
This makes me think of CPS cases I was told about by workers and officer where there was no fixing what had happened. Once someone with absolute control initiates a delusion, and the people around them accept it… It is so hard to break.
This would make a great screenplay. This odd family dynamic, the tantalizing mystery of the master work, the creepiness of this malnourished crazy genius hermit lady. I’m glued to the screen already.
i was thinking that too. would be some freaky a24 shit
Would actually watch it if ever they make one!
Now that you mention it, it does sound like a story I would have read in a high school textbook. Very Yellow Wallpaper-esc
@@coursefearwell4847 -esque is how you spell it; not always intuitive if you haven't read it before.
Her master work was literally her starving herself to death and then having her family mummify her.
He makes me laugh!!! So hard every time he laughs at him self 🤣🤣 love your story and the way you tell them!! 😊
I tried to read more about the case but couldn’t find anything. You must be digging deep to find these narratives, I respect it!
-I found stories but they were brief as fuck even years later. This probably the most detailed account.
This reminds me of the story MrBallen shared about a man in England who locked himself up in the room only for his father to find out when it's too late. If someone you love and care is withdrawn and talking about bizarre plans, treat that as a medical emergency and get them to your psychiatrist, ASAP.
I thought of that story too. The only reason I figured it wouldn't be a repeat of that situation was the fact that Rina was very quiet and there was no construction sounds.
I thought he was retelling that story until I remembered it was a man in the story Lol
I was thinking of that story too but with all the medical spirits I figured it had something to do with mummification
dude went to home Depot for his plan
@@destructoau7526At first I thought she was going to murder her whole family along with herself with some kind of medical procedure then realize it was not so when she kept soaking herself with surgical spirits. Makes sense that the whole family was declared to be severely mentally ill since they never saw how bizarre it all was.
When I heard about alcohol, the soul, and not eating, with each subsequent piece of information, I became more and more certain that she would become a mummy.
I didnt until he said it 🤯
😮
I only guessed when he said her eyes were sunken and basically a skeleton. that her master work was mummifying herself. pretty ambitious art piece I must say.
Me too
Same, because of how Buddhist monks mummify themselves. Only they don't use the preservatives
My mother would not have let that go on for even a day. She has to physically see me and talk to me at least three times for the morning alone 😂
This definitely should be adapted into a movie!
In Japan there is a law against the religious act of self-mummification, One time they came to a man's house to congratulate him for being the oldest person in Japan and found out that he had been dead for decades and his mummy was still sitting in his room!
You know this didn't take place in Japan, right?
@@SeanShimamoto It comes from the Buddhist religion.
@@SeanShimamoto 😆😆
@@anyoneofus9948 What are you on about? This story was in Europe, not Asia.
@@SeanShimamoto these people were of Japanese descent.
As many said, she planned to become a Sokushinbutsu. That was her "masterpiece", and her family's intervention would consist in putting surgical spirits on her after her passing.
She probably confided Takahiro on her plan toward the end. Takahiro told Yoshika that Rina forgave her and they were supposed to pour the alcohol on her because that's what Rina told him to say before she passed away.
Yeap so he 100% knew she was dead and supported it because he was so mentally deluded. He prob loved her so much he thought it was the only way to "help" her.
My gosh, I just looked up sokushinbutsu. That's exactly what she was doing!
She didn't want to go through the forbidden monk ritual but do ot her own way. I guess she really had it figured out in her mind. They were supposed to put her up and worship her mummy and not have the police take her and charge the family. That's hard-core. She musta suffered tremendously to do that and I literally thought that her and her brother were just getting drunk and some incest shit. 😂 maybe she was a genius and made a work of art of herself. Commitment on the wrong kinda way.
I had to look it up that's pretty wild😂
@Alwayzblessed36 people have wierd beliefs. She and her family thought thus was really her ticket to heaven and to being worshipped. Different strokes for different folks
That like button bit, it got an audible "HA" out of me. Like a choking hazzard, I didn't see that coming
Wow. I work in Helmsley frequently & it’s an absolutely gorgeous village. It’s always absolutely heaving with visitors every day. Cannot park anywhere.
I really felt bad for yoshika the whole time she was thinking she was talking to her sister, but she was dead all along.
Obviously her master work is just taking longer than expected, geez
"delivered in story format" - Ballen adds these to enhance the story. Basically, he too in a way is delusional 🤣🤣😂
Going by what Ballen has said it sounds like she still believes she was talking to her
When she was rubbing her with the alcohol, didn't she see and feel it was a corpse?
@@Wyklepheph Obviously we're not all open-minded as you are.
Wow, Rina did a REALLY good job at creating enough fear and confusion to prevent questions. But i honestly think the brother knew, that's why he had taken over cooking and told the sister not to go in any more. This is so messed up.
This is well, very disturbing! You say it best.
Ive been listening for years now, but too busy for the last few months, so I tune in and realize that youve added sound effects and a screen in the back. Cool. Next step is to just go for it and produce an In Search Of type TV show.
Sounds like Rina was obviously mentally ill, and the family refused, or could not recognize it. Having worked as a psychiatric RN for 15 years, Rina probably had schizoaffective disorder a combination of schizophrenia and a mood disorder such as depression and/or mania. Very sad.
Rina was nutty as a fruitcake.
And her family sound mentally ill as well too
I have this disorder, bipolar type. Sounds about right to me.
It seems her family were afflicted as well.
they attempted to get her help... she refused to accept the help