THE FINAL ANGEL???: Neon Genesis Evangelion Episode 24 FULL EPISODE REACTION!!!
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
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Every character thinks Kaworu is the most mysterious person on the planet, yet he is the most literal and least opaque person in the show. Everything he says is the literal truth.
The "conventional" narrative finally ends.
Kaworu is more than a mid-episode character. It is important because of the moment it appears in Shinji's life, a moment when he was literally alone. Rei died, Misato doesn't show up at home, Asuka is devastated, Kaji is dead, her school friends have been evacuated to another area and her relationship with her father is worse than ever. There is no longer any friend, for these factors the arrival of Kaworu is so important for Shinji and the relationship between them evolves so fast.
I really want to see your reaction to the last episodes (and the movie), keep it up.
It's a slow night, so ... here's something obscure but fascinating I just learned from browsing the sinister depths of the Eva-Geeks fansite: The lake scene, where Kaworu talks to the SEELE monoliths, might not actually feature the real SEELE at all! There are 15 monoliths in the circle surrounding him. The real SEELE only has 12 members. What's going on?
At least one fan reckons that Kaworu is actually talking to the souls of the deceased Angels. That might sound crazy, but there are plenty of clues.
- One of the conceits of Evangelion is that souls are real and can exist separately from bodies. They can even be 'salvaged' scientifically and put into new bodies. We see souls in the End of Evangelion movie (all the red dots that stream up into space during Third Impact). But those are human souls. Lilim souls, as Kaworu would put it. What about Angel souls? What happened to them after they were killed?
- There are 17 Angels. But really there are only 16, because Kaworu (the 17th Angel) has Adam's soul (the 1st Angel). The 2nd Angel is Lilith, whose soul is in Rei. That leaves 14 other Angels. One of those Angels was able to split in two--the one that fought Asuka and Shinji in Episode 9. It might have had two souls rather than one. That totals ... 15. And how many monoliths appear out on the lake? Hmm.
- In Episode 23' (Director's Cut version), the Angel resembled a halo--a pop-culture symbol of the afterlife. It tried to merge with Unit 00. And it grew a big brown mass out of Unit 00's back, resembling a hodgepodge of all the previous Angels. Could it have hoovered up all the souls of the dead Angels and be trying to resurrect them by growing new bodies for them? If it was, then it failed (and blew up), leaving the lake. The Angel souls might be hanging around there after the big kaboom.
- Kaworu is Adam, so he'd have good reason to chat to the Angels who came from him.
- Starting with Episode 16 (the shadow / zebra ball Angel), the show tends to represent communication with an Angel through abstract introspection, as if the person is talking to themselves and their own memories. In Episode 16, the shadow Angel talks to Shinji, but he experiences it as if he's talking to himself (a striped-shirt child version of himself). In Episode 22, the glowy-winged space Angel blasts Asuka with its hallelujah ray of psychic doom, and Asuka experiences it as if she's being tormented by her own memories. In Episode 23, the halo Angel talks directly to Rei, and Rei quickly figures it out--but it still appears to her like a doppelganger or copy of herself, using her own voice. So ... suppose Kaworu were to talk to Angels. They would probably appear to him using imagery and voices out of his memories. And who raised Kaworu? SEELE.
- The dialogue from 'SEELE' on the lake is strange and ambiguous. It makes some vague sense as an actual conversation Kaworu might have had with the real SEELE. But it also makes sense as the sort of thing the Angels might say to their progenitor--basically a kind of "help us Adam, you're our only hope!" Particularly the part about humanity being the 'false successors' or 'usurpers'.
- Misato spies on Kaworu with her binoculars, but can't see the SEELE monoliths out on the lake. Moreover, they've never been known to appear anywhere but their dark room apart from this scene. That suggests that the monoliths aren't really there; they only exist as hallucinations to Kaworu.
- In the End of Eva movie, there's a bit where you can see a map of the lake/crater area. One part of the lake is marked 'PSYCHO HAZARD AREA'. Perhaps a place where people experience hallucinations? Hmm, I wonder what could be causing that ...
- As I mentioned in my last comment, the original broadcast didn't include the lake scene. Also, in the previous episode, Unit 00 just exploded in the original broadcast--it didn't grow the weird brownish thing on its back first. Those scenes were added for the video release--what we call the Director's Cut--in preparation for the End of Evangelion movie. And there are some obtuse hints in End of Eva that Kaworu/Adam deposits all the souls of the deceased Angels inside Eva Unit 01 to be carried off with it at the end. Earth belongs to the Lilim now, after all, so the Angels' best bet may be to try some other planet.
I'm amazed that this show can still blow my mind with things like this even after all these years.
Of course, because most of this stuff only shows up in the Director's Cut versions of the episodes and EoE, it seems likely that it was only figured out by the writers after the original broadcast of the TV show finished, and was a bit of a retcon.
Unfortunately, in cramming in those new scenes in episodes 23 and 24 to prepare for the movie, the writers caused some plothole snafus with the existing material, e.g. why would Kaworu go down into the basement of Nerv when he's just learned from the SEELE/Angel monoliths that Adam has fused with Gendo? It also weakened some of the emotional drama, e.g. interrupting Rei II's tragic death with a load of weird trippy imagery.
Duuude, how did I not notice that before? That makes so much sense!
Very interesting data
I can't believe I still learning new stuff about this after more than 10 years
1. Yes, Kaworu is an Angel.
2. 'Lilin' is how non-humans refer to humans.
3. The white giant at Terminal Dogma was Lilith and not Adam. Adam is the embryo that Gendo had in his hand (which is the one that Kaji brought to him in episode 8).
Also, here’s something really important you should know:
The last two episodes (25 & 26) take place in the mind of the characters, and serve more as a resolution to their arcs and conflicts. And The End of Evangelion (the movie) is more of a resolution of the overall plot of the series, which also complements to the ending of the series. The movie takes place before, during and after the events of episodes 25 and 26. I know it’s pretty confusing, but it’s important to have all that in mind while watching it.
Also, don’t watch the Death (True) movie, that’s just a recap of the series in disorder.
Kaworu was the 17th angel. This episode has the deep lore in it. Seele speaks of their hope being with Lilith, who created the human race, a.k.a the Lilian and no longer in Adam, from whom the Angels come from. I don't feel like I should mention more than that.
I'm surprised you guys didn't have a written question on what was explicitly mentioned in Episode 21 and was hinted at way back in Episode 2, but hey, there is a lot to unpack in this series. Well, have fun with the last two episodes! You'll understand once you're done.
The originally aired version of this episode didn't have the scene where Kaworu talks to SEELE out on the lake. It was added in the Director's Cut version ... and introduced a plothole, because SEELE gives Kaworu information about Gendo Ikari and Adam that he didn't know in the original edit.
The original idea was that Kaworu went down to NERV's basement at the climax thinking the white giant was Adam--just like Kaji thought--only to realise at the last minute that it was another being called 'Lilith'. However, in the Director's Cut, Kaworu learns a few things from SEELE on the lake that ought to send him after Ikari insead. (Ikari has Adam embedded in his hand--another scene added for the Director's Cut.) But the rest of the episode plays out just like it did in the originally aired version, which means Kaworu's actions no longer make sense. 🤔
The reeeeally long pause near the end was in the original version, and might have been another creative/experimental way to get around the lack of time to get the episode fully finished by the deadline. But, like the elevator scene in Episode 22, Gainax kept it for the Director's Cut. Either it was planned in advance, or they decided they liked the effect.
In the originally aired version, this episode was a little too cryptic--it seemed as if Kaworu was *just* the last Angel, and no more than that. The Director's Cut version adds a few extra lines hinting that he's someone, or something, much more important ... (and so is Rei ...)
Yes Kaworu was an angel, and the giant being inside terminal dogma is Lilith, the creator of the humans and all living creatures on Earth. While Adam was the creator of the Angels. Lilith is named after Adam's first wife Lilith in the Jewish bible and Mesopotamian mythology. Despite the lilins aka humans mistakenly referring to Lilith as the "second Angel", Lilith is in fact NOT an Angel. All the Angels except Lilith were the children of Adam, but Lilith is not, Lilith is a separate celestial being equal to Adam, they are both Seeds of Life, created by an ancient alien civilization billions of years ago who sent these celestial beings or 'Seeds of Life' across the universe to create life on different planets, as explained in the Dead Sea scrolls. Adam and Lilith both arrived on Earth at different times, Adam came first, then Lilith. I won't spoil what happens next, but let's just say that Lilith's arrival on Earth is what started the whole chain of events of Evangelion and forms the basis for the conflict between the humans and the Angels.
I've been waiting for this. :-) Now to skip 30 minutes of work.
That scene with kaworu and the monoliths was very important, analyze it. Or if you want I can explain it
Great reaction! This is the penultimate episode of evangelion. Your mileage may vary depends on the last two episodes. Yes, Kaoru is the last angel(?) Of evangelion. The white giant isn't Adam but lilith. There's something about the relationship between him and rei that had a significant impact on the end of evangelion. There's a lot of lore behind this episode you can find that can unravel if you pay attention. I need to add that there's a controversial change from the Netflix script from the adv script for which the latter's actually adds more to Kaoru character that rubbed fans the wrong way as the Netflix script drew more closer to the Japanese script.
As in the Netflix script was heavily criticized by fans.