MP7 and P90 Armor piercing ammo vs Soviet 6b3 and 6b5 body armor - The PDWs face reality and despair
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This test was a brainchild of myself and Henry at 9 hole reviews, he has a great video on PDWs here: ruclips.net/video/5eEt4Y_STOw/видео.html
The T62 shown in here is undergoing restoration by this group ruclips.net/user/RestorationPassion Please check these fellows out and give them your support!
Ah yes! Another great upload Oxide!! Also tha T62....
we'll be referencing a lot of this! Thank you for the hard work!
what in the hell convinced you to join the army in the shitty state it is right now?
@@jakegrube9477 omgg
why are you joining the army?
A bigger problem with Soviet paratroopers in the rear echelon is that if paratroopers are being dropped then you no longer have air superiority which isn't something that US troops have faced since Korea.
To be fair, in the initial stages of a war there would be plenty of windows where soviet paratroopers could be employed while america still hasnt completely taken down the SAM network.. But at the same time, these could be involved in a war where America or the rest of NATO just abandons a once friendly country and the comblock severely outnumbers in terms of planes
@@domaxltv What was the amount of Soviet troops they had back then? Did they outnumber NATO Troops?
@@Crackshotsteph From my vague understanding there was a period where not only the Soviets outnumbered NATO but also vastly superior in some aspects that could potential boned NATO if the Cold War ever goes HOT(WW3).
@@randomka-52alligatorthatis34 lmao, those propaganda fueled delusions sound comforting.
@@randomka-52alligatorthatis34 Especially with the help from John Walker who pretty much gave the Soviets the location and routes of every US submarine.
I can't believe that Goa'uld body armor is worse than 30 year old soviet armor. What a pathetic "empire".
Hey, a Stargate fan. Nice
Hey, they bounced 5.56 pretty well at the beginning. Guess they ran out of certain metals later. :p
The snake heads uses weapons of terror. WE use weapons of war
GOOLD?
@@EcchiRevenge Which is weird because their armor because the Stargate movie, 9mm worked just fine
To be fair towards FN and HK, their job is to meet the demands of the buyer. I would blame the lack of foresight of NATO when setting the demands for these weapons.
Yeah, if NATO said "Something that can penetrate Russian body armor" instead of just saying "Totally not Russian body armor, crisat guys" then the companies would have had to push their guns harder
NATO didn't influence H&K, the design principle behind the MP-7 was to compete with P-90.
Five Seven would had preform stellar for it's size if you had the right ammo, but that's banned for civilian use.
@@wolfenstien13 didn`t he use the military grade ammo? SS190?
To actually penetrate that armor you would need a completely different gun, and specialized bullets that would defeat the whole concept of an affordable PDW.
My guess is in a Soviet invasion they'd just be facing tons of 7.62 rifles. Which actually can defeat that armor.
C&C Red alert! I know these tracks from my childhoooood
What are you doing here? Didn’t know you watched him
@@firefightszz who cares? Don't simp, especially for rich kids.
yo the whole crew's here!
Oh hey your here
@@slacjack is everything alright? Having a bad day?
9:49 was particularly appreciated. Thank you.
agreed!
Who is he?
@@canaanstuart3331 google
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Requiescat en pace
Hey good luck out there brother! Have fun and try not to laugh at the Drills shenanigans too much.
Also the whole: "When are you gonna stop LARPing and enlist" joke came full circle!
6B5-15 (the one with borron carbide) is impressive for the time but it weighs 11kg. In practical combat use, troops would be issued 6B5-19 (6,5mm titanium for front protection, and 1.5mm titanium for rear protection) and 6B5-12 (1.5mm titanium protection all over) for artillery crew. 6B5-15 is usually reserved for "storm" units, and is not recommended to be worn for more than 3 hours (though in reality soldiers had to wear that for days).
Several sets of US armor (Just the vest and plates) were heavier...
no one will hate the army more than someone who has extensive knowledge of equipment and tactics and weapons. you are going to either be driven mad by the lack of basic firearms and general tactical knowledge, or find it so funny that you enjoy listening to people talk all day about shit. and trust me you can give up on teaching them, they will not listen. even if you have priro experience or training they will still hold onto the old wives tales
100% Facts. Even more so if you stay in to become a NCO. Its amazing how much bullshit people spout!
This is so painfully true. Expect to hear 10+ year SNCO’s spout “you don’t have to even hit them with a .50 to kill them” and “it’s against the Genova convention to target people with a M107, you have to aim for their gear!”.
He just needs to keep his mouth shut about all of it. Just act like he's naturally good with guns and never tell anyone about this channel until basic, AIT, OSUT, or whatever is over. Seriously if it ever comes up he will be roasted and it will somehow transform into "that guy who makes onlyfans videos". I hope he's not going active infantry or combat arms. Even NG infantry will be rough. Please tell me he's going in as a pogue in the NG or reserves.
army life fuckin blows if ur passionate about the art, especially if ur unit is pog af and barely goes in the field. and when u do, its in some stupid kit dominated by SOP and not comfort
@@UlookinMe Some of those rumors were started to keep people from wasting .50 cal on targets that weren't worth the cost of the round.
I'm convinced Oxide's channel is just a love letter to tarkov players at this point
No Tarkov fans just see Tarkov in everything. I had a friend build a meta ak irl because of the game.
@@N-A762 well no shit tarkov houses thousands of real life equivalents, its exciting to see it put to the test. But thanks for breakdown hardass.
@@merrickweaver3028 I dont think you understand it goes beyond guns its everything. But hey I didnt say that to offend you.
@@N-A762 shit mb
Anyway now we have another prove that stupidass pistol "ap" ammo aint gonna do shit to all those Afghan rigs, let alone fryin modern class 5 armor. Nice hardcore Nikita, sitchoass down with that 950 rpm vector meta trash, goddamn
oh hell you're joining the army. We'll miss you.
it's the reserves or guard I think.
It'll be a step down from what he's used to shooting.
Very good luck in your time in the army, you will be missed mr oxidizer, but you will be wholeheartedly remembered and loved
inb4 he washes out
@@technoruffles7747 i hope he doesn’t stay. It’s not worth it for someone who’s so passionate
@@therandomdickhead5744 I think if anyone finds his youtube channel he'll be known as a sweaty wanna-be russo-phile LARPer and no one is gonna like that so i hope for his sake no one does find his channel.
Isn't that KGB is work to assassinate people
Im fwaking dumb
Army is easy, don't quit.
Painfully so
Oh also Don't tell them you're a semi famous youtuber. That is a recipe for disaster
@@koulikov4163 if hes a bang bang they might recognize the voice
I'm Enlisting After I Finished College
Army is easy but re🅱️arded as fuck, the hard part is enduring the generalized stupidity.
8:35 - To be fair, most WP armies didn't use body armor. So for example Czechoslovaks, would be pretty easy to get rid of with a P90 (my czech ego really hurts now, btw).
Yeah but you don't need a 2k dollar .22 to do that, the service weapon or smg would be fine.
@@keithsimpson2685 That's not a relevant point for this discussion, though. P90 and MP7 were created to match NATO specifications for the PDW role. And if the cold war didn't end then we would have seen these PDWs being adopted in higher quantities, regardless of the fact that they're an overkill in certain situatios.
In deployed environment (AFG, etc) they did.
@@honzabalak3462 He's right, new PDWs make no sense. Giving everyone the M4 made way more sense later on.
@@Oxide_does_his_best I'm not saying they make sense. But they would have seen service.
this man has better accuracy while wearing an altyn and with the gun like 16 inches away from his eyes, than most of my friends do with their rifle's
enjoy the army you will be missed
@@alman5568 especially with the mess its becoming now
Army...BRUH
@@aborted4196 aRmY
Maybe he wont get sent to Fort Polk. Maybe...
@@FluteC0p what do you mean?
So uh, that comment about the VDV aged well...
That bit about the VDV did not age well.
man im glad i wasnt the only one who thought this lmao
Turns out it actually did
@@ramonmartinsoto3717 Go cope and talk about how the entire war is a feint elsewhere.
@@justanotherarmchairgeneral4240
Is that why Kissinger wanted Ukraine to negotiate peace already?
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 Kissinger is a washed up has been operating under the incorrect assumption that Putin's Russia is like the USSR and is open to reasonable diplomacy, and isn't desperately grasping to return some of the "glory" of the old USSR at whatever cost to itself or the world. Ukraine's only way forward is to make Russia crawl over a mountain of their own dead to hand them the peace treaty. Or let the idiots continue what they're doing and let them hurl horrifically outdated soviet era vehicles into prepared defensive positions without infantry support until they're so depleted that they can be ejected from the country by force of arms. A reality that certainly seems to be rapidly approaching as the Russians are desperately pulling evermore outdated and rusty equipment out of storage to try and replace their losses. While Ukraine gets more and more cutting edge NATO equipment every day.
Nikita needs to see this. 🤣
indeed he does, fucking mp7 spamm is annoying
@@rradical4714 steer clear of labs for a bit, ain't that the place for MP7 runners?
@@mice6545 im a costums rat, its just annoying the sound of the gun and being hit by it, it feels like some one is poking you a million times with a stick per second.
@@rradical4714 hehe MP7 go, SRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTT
Nikita develops fantasy game with no bearing on reality with how asinine armor and skill systems are, this video has no relevancy to him lol
Should've gone Air Force, to be honest. That said, it's going to be more than 9 weeks, my man. Your AIT/IET will soak up all of your time, as well. So I won't expect any real content from you for at least the next six months. Best of luck to you.
Assuming he doesn't have more pre-filmed? Mat Best used to film a ysars worth of content in his month or two off from CIA contracting
I have some stuff I wasn't able to finish. So there should be some videos out in December assuming Covid doesn't act up again.
fuck the airforce,infantry all the way baby
Agree with this comment! I should of listened to my dad when I was enlisting back in the day. 😂 boy was he right. Would do it again in a heart beat, but man am I glad it's over with.
@@Oxide_does_his_best you've done a massive mistake
Good stuff as always and good luck!
Just in case some of the "Western" dudes don't fully understand the "If the Soviet paratroopers are dropping in on you, you are all going to die" line. VDV is roughly the Soviet equivalent of USMC. It's a separate branch with it's own command structure, training, equipment and a whole line (IFV,APC,SPG) of light, air-droppable and fully amphibious vehicles.
So imagine someone saying: in case there is an amphibious landing somewhere we have this PDW to help our non combat personnel deal with that brigade of US Marines that's tearing trough our rear. Yeah, they are all going to die. With or without their PDW's.
Im just built different
Yea jump on Dallas Texas and let me know how that works out for you. The first time someone calls out that the Russians are attacking and they need help.... ever play the game "Redneck Rampage" ; )
Technically speaking, aren't VDV kinda like halfway between the 75th Rangers and the USMC? It has the same mission set of the 75th Rangers, but command structure of the USMC. Size-wise it is half-way of the two too.
@@stacksmasher this isn’t red dawn lol you and your boogaloo boys would get dropped so fast
@@wetmemedaddy5065 Nobody knows the neighborhood like the natives. Also are you forgetting Texas has the most heavily armed population in the world? Those are facts not movie dreams.
One thing we've learned is... If Russian Paratroopers do drop on you they will, infact, not kill everyone
Key word there is “Russian” instead of “Soviet”
Tell that to the dead Ukrops that tried to defend Hostomel Airport
@@EpicGamerino Last time I checked they aren't holding it so doesn't seem like they did a great job
yeah thats why theres more graveyards with ukrops in lwow than grains of sand in odessa (which will soon be russian too)
@@SteveIsHavingMC meanwhile orcs and w*gners are getting schwacked by HIMARS.
Damn, we're all gonna miss Oxide as he become a soldier. I guess he's too smart for the Marines
but does he have 5 'elders' ('parents' :P) in his family ? You know, why only 2, why not 10. The elephant in the room. One might think, well, some income, on the other, who the f is at the helm ? If I personally was in his position, sure it would be hard, but I would not want to serve wicked weirdos who loot their and other countries folks and claim some morals, where there are none. So, yes, morals are the thing that matters, not fake claimed ones that are opposite of nature and reason + wisdom. Sure, Im not a murrican, you could say I dislike that entity and I would guess it is correct. Why ? They try to force their wicked nihilism on us, for us easterners (former combloc) Russians are much closer and known, commies are almost a non-issue, except in the west. We also have here crazy antichristians former old commie elites embraced, and thisi s what western elites embrace. But in general I do not care to obey them, because they are no God. Covid or no covid, they have no right to try to teach me bs, or try to make me obey them or face discrimination. Im used to being discriminated against so tha means getting fired for groupthink destruction. Covid psychosis is devil-led groupthink. Ones health is not above ones dignity. The whole situation smells like the rot of the french antichristian revolution. They wanted blood for their godhood. But their time will pass and will all die terribly, in forever-execution in hell.
@@cdgncgn I believe that you are a devil-led jesus who said "I HATE THE ANTICHRIST"
i didn't expect ap sx in EFT being so far from reality. ap sx has greater penetration value in the game than 855a1
My biggest gripe with the pen values is how awful green tip in game (M855). IRL green tip can be quite devastating as you saw with that thin titanium dragon scale
EFTs bullet stats are bogus anyway.
Can someone with a reddit account post this to the Tarkov subreddit?
The idea of "millions" of communists issued this hasn't aged well given what's seen in Ukraine. Russians everywhere in war: "armor? yes comrade, they give us cardboard"
He finally stopped larping and joined the army
That will definitely get him more street cred for his content, but I'm afraid he will be frustrated at the fact that he will get fed factually incorrect information and won't be able to point it out.
@@LeonardoFSI forced groupthink ?
Great video, that was really interesting. I love that you put pre-hit markers on the impact footage, I wish more people would do this!
I guess range is the actual advantage for these calibers compared to contemporary 9mm & .45 ACP.
I don't think people can comprehend the amount of time, effort, and money it took to put this video together.... thanks a lot man, you put a lot of work down for this, and as a viewer It was a awesome video... using actual soviet armor, not to mention finding 4.6 ap ammo....fucking awesome information in this.
"If soviet paras drop in on you, you are all going to die"
That is if they dont accidently drop them into the black sea first or drop them wihtout support
The VDV's special diving operation
Most of the elite force for the vdv were made up of ukrainians anyways
@@no-sway3709 ukrainian vdv veterans would disagree
1:58, well, that statement has aged like milk.
Aging about as well as them crispy VDV boys.
VDV went from being spooky special forces to mis-managed and under-geared guys that may not even make it out the plane.
Well, this comment has aged like milk
@@ramonmartinsoto3717 and now the vdv is barely existent
@@olefey4791 in what universe lmao
Your channel was recommended by a friend, but I subbed for the detailed information and for using Command & Conquer music 👌Cheers
ngl each shot was really impressive how you onehanded each gun and being able to hit the plates dead centre good work!
Great video as usual. I wish you the best of good fortune with the twists and turns in your life.
Thanks for this video! For years we put up with the lack of stopping-power of both these PDWs with the excuse: "at least it will defeat armor", clearly that's BS.
I think the army has similar thoughts given how they are going back to battle rifles with the XM5 rifle and 6.8x51mm.
Look at videos from firefights in Ukraine. They ALWAYS mag dump till the guy stops moving, which is always a brain or spinal hit. "Stopping power" outside of heavy weapons is a myth. 5 rounds of .22 in a guy is always going to have a higher chance of "stopping" than 1 round of 7.62.
Similarly, most of them in those videos are never shooting "at" anything. They're scared as fuck and blasting into nowhere, either claiming "suppressive fire" or shooting at "something they saw". I don't blame them, but if you are going to do that then you should have more bullets to do it with! That is the case for both sides, so the guys with more bullets are going to have a significant advantage.
I'd rather be a guy carrying 490 rounds of FN 5.7 with a P90 than the guy with 120 rounds of 7.62x39 or even 210 rounds of 5.56. If we really need range get a designated marksman, use heavy weapons, or call in IDF or air support. In the worst case, plenty enough ammo to spray at distance as an area target. Not like they know what caliber is coming at them.
Besides that, within the range normal soldiers shoot and hit anything (
So many comments on this video aged poorly.
Being in the Army is like eating soup with a fork, while there are spoons on the table no one is allowed to use lol
My basic training in a nutshell, I see its the same all around the world.
Great collab on that one. Finally tests with the interesting ammo.
This is amazing! I only read about this stuff as a kid and you are actually testing it!
Ok. So basically. Chad conscript vs virgin American
More like virgin conscript VS Chad American that uses ammo belts for armor
@@Oxide_does_his_best I commit die
@@MajorZeroEdits sex boner
This is the first video I’ve seen of this guy and the presentation, the elaborate data he presents, has earned a sub from me.
Good luck out there oxide and take care of yourself! Stay safe and in good health.
Absolutely fascinating empircal test of 1980's and 1990's armor and penetration theory. Thanks!
Turns out you don't actually need to punch through Russian body armour when the paratroopers burn to a crisp before even leaving the plane.
Javelin go BRRRR
@@Butter_Warrior99 Isn't the Javelin anti-armour and not anti-air?
@@arnekrug939, It has different firing modes. Top down, anti armor, and direct. Anti air.
@@Butter_Warrior99 Ah, ok.
@@troublesome9654 That is reality for any invading force. Death of invader is celebrated by many. That´s how it worked back then, now and will in future.
Only person who will mourn death of russian soldier in those times is his mother, and thats only if she even gets to know, that he died.
Very interesting results! I wish you well in the army, stay safe man.
FINALLY! I was waiting for this. All the best for your basic my dude
Best of luck man. Can't wait till you back I love your soviet armour and weaponry videos
1:56 this comment aged like milk 🤣
I was going to say the same
This is such a professional channel. Deserves at least a million subs. Loved the vid, keep up the good work.
The old school c&c music towards the end was cool, another great video 👍
Fantastic video, and very informative. This sheds a lot of light on both of these calibers. Both are still cool though.
Awesome video. Really interesting to see the Soviet armor with the old school "dragon scale." Good to know that rear echelon NATO troops would have been boned.
Bummed we won't be getting a video from you for a while. Are you headed to WCOS or OCS after? I thought you had said something about wanting to fly helicopters a while back. Best of luck with Basic.
I don't want to talk about it too much until I have passed through training.
@@Oxide_does_his_best Totally understand. Good luck.
@@Oxide_does_his_best You know, I've been watching you for years and never considered how old you were. Is is too much of a private question to ask your age?
@@Vagabond671 26
@@Oxide_does_his_best lol. Forgot about this comment thread. Thanks for the reply. I'm the same age and have always wondered about joining the Army this late in the game.
Either way, Merry Christmas from the island of Guam!
ngl that's some impressive stuff.
Also if you want to be more realistic/historical, that armor is called "lamellar" armor or a (coat of plates). A design that was being used since the early medieval period, so alas no dragon scales ;)
He was more than likely refering to the dragon skin body armor made in the US in the 20th century.
Also, scale armor can be used to describe said lamellar armor.
@@deadahead6775 true, but in the world of arms and armor we would still call that lamellar armor and not scale armor.
@@ishitrealbad3039 Look at where the pockets are sewn to the vest. They are only connected at the top like scale armor, lamellar armor is connected from all sides or three sides and overlaps upwards for each plate. That said there is really no one to one comparison for modern armor and it's historical counterparts and a coat of plates is a very different thing to lamellar as it uses very large segments, brigandine would be a closer comparison. Here's a little vid for your that explains it very well :) ruclips.net/video/-z_aWdxWVuA/видео.html
Good luck in the janitors army, gonna miss the vids but hopefully you have some fun
Love you!! I bought one of these, and now your videos came out! What a timing 🤙
Against soft armor, the 5.7 and the 4.6 could work, which is probably why it is used by law enforcement
I love having just one month the VDV went from being the definition of Death and destruction, to an international joke.
how come?
@@airwakkerre1861 defeated by a frozen lake
@@Attrixine brutal
@@Attrixine literally no evidence beyond unfounded rumors lmao. Usual holhol propaganda
@@ramonmartinsoto3717 How's those rusty AKMs treating your people's canon fodder these days?
good luck and congrats on basic! hope we'll see you back sooner rather than later.
Great video. As you say, there's zero real MP7 penetration tests on RUclips, or at least there wern't any last time I looked. Thanks for uploading!
Lessons from this video. 1. The P90 program would have resulted in like, a lot of dead NATO truck drivers had it ever been relied on. 2. WARPAC body armour was actually really pretty good. 3. Remember how fucking dope the OST from Red Alert was?
If you wanted training you didn't have to sell yourself to the government for 4 years
Exactly, and there are many ways to serve your country which don't involve being a footsoldier of mega-corporations.
Gonna glow pretty bright here, but what're some alternatives for training? I'm just genuinely curious.
@@CriminalizeObesity you can literally buy room clearing training that is on par with the military out of pocket in the US. arguably the only thing you get to experience is explosives training and shooting full auto
@@IFarmBugs dont be a foot soldier then. become a pilot. being a civi cant get me the same adrenaline rush
Nice touch at the end, BV is dope, rest easy David.
This is something I've always wanted to see. Thank you so much for producing this content and to all those that helped.
For me, the P90 was always about having a 50 round mag in an easily carriable gun, for people who's best chance at 'accuracy' would be spray and pray. Didn't realise it was as bad at it's designed function as this though. Then again, for serious body armour penetration, high velocity 7.62 or better has always been the go. Scar-H supporter right here. (despite having never seen any gun of any kind other than a break action single barrel 12 gauge my dad used to hunt game back in his youth).
My man out here with the labs loadout.
Nice edit and well explained. Keep it up !
Always happy to see another body armor test video from mister Oxide :-)
The C&C music on the background is nice af
I'd be feeling pretty damn confident with that vest of 6.5mm plates..those bad boys are NICE
Have fun man. Love the content and good luck.
Great video. Also, great choice using the Red Alert music lmao. Knew what it was in the first few seconds of hearing it.
I use the 6.5 mm ones as side plates.. impatient to see how fucked (or not) i am if they get hit
The Statement that "you would never survive an onslought of the VDV" when they got swatted out of the air and ground like a bunch of fruitflies, utterly and brutally decimated using only militia forces with AKM's"... Yea that quote aged like milk.
Soviet VDV included Ukrainian units
@@Oxide_does_his_best I don't think it matters in any way. This is not about racial superiority but Soviet and modern Russia's societal and political issues exposed. Being Ukrainian did not change the fact that they were just as terrible infantry as other soviet countries, when they were living under the soviet rule.
@@chrisblack6258 prove it
@Oxide Sadly, at my current academic level, I can't. I do study [redacted], but not yet learned anything specific on the soviet union. However, [redacted], which is [redacted]. Believe it or not, communist regimes have a lot of commonalities. When you and your parents live under such systems, you get to understand the giant problems behind the propaganda blanket.
I want to write more on where I came to my opinion but I don't feel like spending too many time on a simple reply at RUclips comment section. If you are interested in this topic, feel free to learn more about how communist government works. China can be a really good example.
@Oxide One potential proof that's easy to be found is by looking at the combat capability assessment on soviet troops from the war against Finland and the WW two.
We will miss u and thanks for the vid bud
following this channel for a while, The increase in production quality is pretty crazy
особенно он интересен для любителей Таркова, получается м855А1 не должен пробивать 6Б3. А он это делает. Плюс, в игре у 6Б3 весьма мало прочности
Тарков давным давно фэнтези игра с использованием современной эстетики.
@@TheCouchCommando ну так-то да. Зато фризов стало меньше ахахахахахах
@@TheCouchCommando всё равно все мы продолжаем играть
Бля ебать я с тебя в ахуе. Тарков игра в которой у патрона есть УРОН, а чвк имеет очки здоровья. Это шутер с элементами лутания/выживания, а не Арма 3 или сквад
Да.
Mos?
I’m so giddy rn. I have a old army friend who works at battlefield vegas. I got to fire the same MP7 you’re holding awhile ago. I absolutely loved it !
Great as always and, more to the point, always on your game with the music choices.
Fun fact, i tested the 6.5 mm plate and it is able to stop 7.62x39 from up close, but most of the plate face came off after the hit
Steel core or lead round?
@@Oxide_does_his_best It was barnaul fmj so lead core, but still really impressive, got the stuff on slo mo aswell. Tested from 9x18 to .308, the intrestimg part was that .556 went penetrated cleanly while 7.62x39 hit the plate like a sledge hammer but didn't pen.
Good luck with the Army. You'll get through basic just fine. Try not to be a know it all, just let them find out on their own haha. You going active or reserve component?
-SSG Chev
Good luck with your basic training and thanks again for the awesome content.
Imma miss you my dude
Your content is some of the best / my favorite.
Stay safe brother.
Damn, now we need to rebalance Tarkov completly!
No kidding lol, their armor leveling system isn’t exactly realistic. Not to knock them for it or anything, it’s part of the balance, and they implement it well.
Ahh the good old days where VDV still had a "good" reputation
Soviet VDV had a good reputation.
Russian VDV is a hollow shell of what the Soviet VDV once was.
@@razzberry5134 They are the same thing and both were puffed up incompetent forces, all bark and no bite
@@xendk The majority of troops that made up the VDV came from outside Russia. When the USSR broke up, the VDV broke up with it.
In its heyday, it's as Oxide says. If the VVS (the Soviet Air Force) could gain some sort of air superiority over NATO air forces, then these guys would be hitting our supply lines and fighting as light infantry - wearing fairly good body armour and rolling in armoured vehicles.
Except that that day never came, and the real test of the Soviet VDV is now a mere "what if". All the VDV did was drop into Czechslovakia and be picked apart by the mujahideen in Afghanistan, the latter of which they're simply not built for.
@@razzberry5134 They are the same today as they were then, same equipment, same weapons, same tactics, Same failure. They were always full of shit and now we have seen them splat on the pavement.
@@xendk And the grand US military was bested by just a few thousand Afghan cavemen with old rusty AKs. Neither side is ready for a full scale war against real near peer nations.
Awesome experiment!
Hope u enjoy ur army training
Good luck in BCT man! Love your videos
Aint no russian plane guy killin me
"If soviet paratroopers are dropping in on you, you are all going to die" - hooboy, this comment aged like milk in the sun :D
(Yes yes, soviet not modern RUssian, shush you :P )
Literally the only thing the modern Russian army appears to be good at is war crimes
Except y'know... The VDV did accomplish their mission and just about every rumor has turned out to be misinfo?
@@ramonmartinsoto3717 AHAHAHAHAHA, yeah sure thing buddy. That's why they took Kiev on day one.
@@Wirrn except the vdv didn't go to Kiev? They were dropped on Hostomel and they took it, fell back after holding up a whole Ukrainian armored regiment for a day, then retook it next day with the help of Russian armor.
The attack on Kiev (which wasn't carried out by the VDV) was clearly a feint because there were only 40k troops assigned to take the city at the peak of the supposed attack, which is nowhere near enough to take a target that size. It was clearly a distraction meant to pin down Ukrainian troops that could've been elsewhere, like 1st Marines did in the invasion of Iraq
@@ramonmartinsoto3717 hostomel - where their actual objective was to secure it so it could be used to ferry troops in, not wreck it as they get neaten back - has been their only halfway success. Russia's been using them as spearhead infantry and they've been repeatedly getting their shit kicked in, because they're a bunch of riot police thugs masquerading as special forces, in addition to being terribly deployed.
best of luck in basic Oxide looking forward to your return
That armor is incredible. Thanks for giving me a chance to witness this.
Fast forward a few months, we find out Russian body armor is mostly cardboard...
or laptops!
Yeah on paper is different to reality they tend to sell most of their good gear on the black market.
oooh... watching this video in 2023 makes the VDV statement sound ouchy. Hostomel was the end of overestimating the VDV.
i swear oxide just keeps getting better and better and used to be such a under rated channel
I really liked the subtle highlight of the bullet impact location. That was key.
it's funny to see a dude wearing Russian body armor shooting German firearms also I have a question why were you holding all of the firearms in front of you instead of shouldering them
i guess the altyn visor makes aiming difficult with those weapons
You can't get a cheek weld with the helmet and face shield he was wearing
Probably because he has an altyn on.
probably cant shoulder and properly aim with the altyn on
I guess you can't aim with the visor on
Huh, after seeing this test, the fact that the military wants to replace the M4 and .556 makes much more sense...
30 year old soviet body armor shouldn't be defeating modern armor-piercing ammo. Makes you wonder how good some of the newer stuff being fielded is...
I mean there's plenty of crazy shit now like the super Liba that makes claims of stopping like 30 7.62 AP rounds
855a1 isn’t AP highly doubt this would take m995 and survive it
It is interesting how effective that armor is, but none of the ammo used is "real" armor piercing rifle ammo. MP7/P90 got almost the same energy as 9mm rounds, they clearly use pistol cartridges.
M855A1, while better than M855A1, isnt considering armor piercing either.
The Super LIBA is a 20 year old design, the one I just bought was manufactured in 2001.
If you're willing to take the weight or cost hit, upgrading your plates is always infinitely easier than developing new "super rounds". Why wouldn't it defeat M855 tho? It's the round they were expecting to face. It's also not real AP.
Good on you for the desire to serve right now. Happy trails.
Great choice of music for the subject at hand!