The Time Marvel Copied Itself | Ultimate Avengers
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There was a time before the Marvel Cinematic Universe, a time where the entire world didn't really know about "The Avengers"... before the MCU came Lionsgate's Marvel Animated Features.. and the film that started it all was Ultimate Avengers. If you were a Marvel fan from before the MCU's existence, you know what I'm talking about. So let's dip our toes in some nostalgia!
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This movie made me love Captain America. Him never giving up against the hulk and his struggle to accept the leadership role. The hulk vs the avengers is one of my favorite fights
"You! We're not done yet!"
*Punches the fucking Hulk.*
@@Beast_Of_Madness YES, he's such a badass
i was most familiar with The next avengers
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@@Beast_Of_Madness Probably my favorite Captain America of all time. It was so badass!
For many, this movie is what The Ultimates comics should have been: A modern version of the Avengers, but at the same time not ashamed of its roots. And as a movie, I have to say that even though it has several flaws, this movie and its sequel are still holding up pretty decently. A great start to the brief but legendary "Marvel Animated Features"
Wasn't hulk a cannibal in the comics?
@@jaylenharris343 yes '-'
Ultimates 2, the comic, was fun, but that's it.
@Yeehaw ...wtf?
@@jaylenharris343 Yeah, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were "together". Mark Millar was just the wrong dude to write that book.
Hulk lifting the hammer makes sense, since this adaptation is based on the Ultimates. In those comics Mjölnir works like it works in mythology. Theres no "worthines" enchantment you just have to be really really strong
Yes, I was so confused by this as a kid
Because of this movie I didn’t know the hammer worked differently in marvel than it did in mythology and this movie, I was still young so it makes sense why I thought that way but I could’ve easily figured out the differences if I had just looked it up
I was 8 and I just saw the avengers: oh is he gonna do the same th- WHAT OHHHHHH
And that's stupid. Ultimates universe is stupid
@@danielvaughn1947how is it stupid, it’s just a hammer in myth and it takes the god to wield it as he does for it become feared. what’s stupid is that the hammer is what makes the god in the comics. Maybe less so now but in the early days Thor had a time limit where he turns back into a human when separated from his hammer, and it’s stupid that the hammer arbitrarily picks people to be like yeah you get the same power as a marvel powerhouse, by lifting me up instead of just being a hammer that’s heavy. Like it is in the myth and it’s the fact that it’s being wielded by Thor that it’s feared by all.
This was basically the 616 Avengers in the 1610 storylines (kind of), honestly prefer Hulk being more of a failed Captain America experiment, adds more to the story.
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Pretty sure that’s what happened in the e MCU as well
@@slimeydacoolguy3916 True but it was a nod at best, they did not make it into a storyline unlike Ultimate Avengers.
LMAO Hulk just punching the shit out of Hank's leg actually SENT me
The Ultimate movies and EMH’s really do make Cap feel like a man out of time, from Ultimate Cap revisiting Bucky and the fallen to EMH’s meeting Fury and telling him about his connections. They truly make him feel like a living legend with no identity in the modern age.
The movie is truly great and I love Ultimate Avengers, but just having revisited the film last night, the only true flaw I could find was that it was extremely rushed. Pacing was unbelievably fast and didn't give you much time to process anything. I would have rather had a three hour film of that though, then Infinity War.
i love that. in the MCU its kinda rushed.
but in EMH and this movie it makes you feel like hes a legend placed out of time trying to make the most out of this bad situation
@@shadowtrooper4435idk about that, I understood it perfectly when I was below 8 years old.
@@marxvargas7697 so did I..but it still felt kinda sped up.
@@shadowtrooper4435as a kid i always had to watch them on vacation trips and i found them lengthy and boring but there’s something about them… i wouldn’t call them rushed!
My father is a huge comic nerd and this movie was his first time introducing me to the avengers. This movie is more than a movie to me. This movie is a central part of my childhood and the relationship I have with my father
Man, I love that. Cap would be proud.
Same here!! My dad had the dvds, no idea if he knew anything about the comics but this film was my introduction to these characters
I swear Captain America and Hulk are the two most interesting Marvel characters from a story point perspective. They’re just so fascinating.
Cap - a man out of time, living in a time he doesn’t understand.
Hulk - a man desperate to subdue the monstrous aspect of himself he fears more than anything else.
That is amazing writing points!
This Captain America is probably the greatest cinematic Captain America so far, albeit not being fully accurate to neither Ultimate Cap nor 616-Cap (sort of like a mix between the two which was a welcoming change).
And a good thing too. Since ultimate cap is....something else
@@jaredgarcia8638 Good old racist.
@@jaredgarcia8638 Thank goodness this and the MCU had more of the 616 version in them than the ultimate 1610 version.
@@nexusprime2487 I would never like cap If he was written by Mark Millar
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Aspects of this movie are stuff I wish was in the original Avengers movie like having Ant-Man and the Wasp in it, Betty Ross playing a role in Bruce’s story, and Captain America’s struggle with living in a world where nearly everyone he knows and loves are gone or moved on.
Yeah, i kind of missed Betty Ross. Wish they would've kept her in the movies, even if they recasted her. Just keep her as a SHIELD scientist.
Janet and Hank are being forgotten to time. Almost like Marvel wants to phase them out permanently. Which is such a shame because both are my favorite characters in EMH.
Fun Fact: Before Edward Norton was fired, the main antagonist for Avengers (2012) was supposed to be The Hulk. Norton actively advocated for this vision until he was fired
They wanted an actor but they accidentally hired an actor/writer/director/producer/editor! Norton is not a team player, he's a one-man show.
So firing Norton was the event that turned the MCU into what it is now...?
Like a cruel butterfly effect.
For fuck sake, seriously Edward Norton is the hulk/Banner
Edward thinks he's an auteur. Disney has no room for auteurs.
I miss when the Hulk was a wild card, sometimes a hero sometimes a villain.
Yes! So glad I'm not the only one who grew up on the UA movie, most of the new MCU fans have no idea this movie exists, and here I am who has seen it years before The Avengers (2012).
Now talk about the second movie where the 3rd act is basically a mockup for the Infinity War Wakanda Battle (City dome shield, Cap and T'challa fighting together, War Machine armor, etc.)
They should add them to Disney plus honestly
Huh, I didn't even think about that connection
I think it's pretty obvious that MCU fans that care about the Live Action movies more than anything have no childhood for the cartoons.
Wow, it's almost like there were people your age at the same time!
I got this for my sixth birthday and I still love it. This is what made me think Captain America was cool. I thought it was so cool that he stood against the hulk even though he was totally outmatched
One of the best things in this movie back then was that in this version Steve Rogers and Natasha Romanoff start romantic relationship this is something they really could include in MCU infinity saga also this old animated Marvel movie shows best versions of Captain America, Nick Fury, Black Widow, Thor and Hulk
I LOVED Ultimate Avengers 1 and 2, I had them on DVD growing up. Cap’s “Haven’t you heard? Hitler’s DEAD” line has stuck in my head for years, I don’t even think I knew who Hitler was when I first saw it.
I rewatched that hulk fight hundreds of times as a kid
I was actually hoping they do that fight too in live action
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I still rewatch that fight.
He bodies everybody, and then Nick comes out and is like "you can NOT win, and he's currently sedated! He's nerfed and he's folding you! His hot nerdy gf is the only way!" Pure bad ass energy, hulk feels like a real walking catastrophe. This movie set the highest bar for the hulk, and no one has ever topped it.
I actually love the first captain america movie alot it's directed by Joe Johnston and it has that Rocketeer type of fun tone that I really like
It's one of those movies where the first 2 acts are fantastic and then it kind of loses me in the third act. They set up his character really well, but were like "Oh wait I guess we need to finish the movie somehow" and it just felt like ticking the necessary boxes.
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It's a good Steve Rogers movie, but not a good Captain America movie. The whole World War II parts just don't feel as heavy as the characterization they gave to the protagonist.
It's like the opposite of 'Wonder Woman', where the best parts were the World War I parts showing Wonder Woman and the weaker ones were of Princess Diana in Themiscyra.
If they made the 'Captain America' war scenes like they did in 'Wonder Woman', with all the struggles people were facing at war, it would've been perfect.
That film is awesome. Steve's relationship with Agent Carter, Bucky, and Howard Stark were frigging great.
This movie introduced me to Captain America, Thor, Ant Man, Wasp, and Black Widow but Cap to me is the standout just because of how much guts he showed trying to fight Hulk despite being completely outmatched.
I like the movie but I kinda feel sometimes the movie lack progression(like Black widow like captain América because Yes) but still was very cool to see this modern team not being really assholes. I always thought they would made a ultimate spider-man tv show like in the comics(the one we got lets be real dosen't have much ultimate spider-man like in the comics)
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I like that she was more gentle and looked up to Cap when she was talking to him. Also, I agree about Ultimate Spiderman. Would have been very cool to see that comic series made into a cartoon.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpSpectacular is the closest we have (and at this point it's obvious thst it's gonna be the only thing)
In the comics the illustrator misread the script he was supposed to accidentally hit her but the illustrator made it look intentional and they had no time to fix it . And the reason why he was so mad in the first place is because he was kicked off the team, trying to prove to them that he is a substantial member to the team he was in his office for countless days making robots and the wasp was worried about Hank. being frustrated he got angry and did a "get away from me" pose and stuck her across the face
I think something that doesn't get enough appreciating in this movie is how much it tries to have realistic stakes to everything and that is something that I only realize now as an adult.
Captain America having insecurities as a leader makes him fail, but also better for having to deal with that responsability over his own needs. Iron Man having a secret identity hinders him, but also makes him better for having to stand all that criticism in silence. Thor going against his own father leaves him by himself, but also makes him better for having to hold his ground on what he believes. Ant-Man having struggles to follow orders makes him fail, but also makes him better for having to learn to work with others. And all of that is only the characters and their arcs.
All of them are seen as superheroes, but deep down they're all just humans just like anyone else. They have flaws, they make mistakes, they get hurt, they suffer with their regrets, but they always choose to get back up and try again, even if that means sacrificing their lives to do what has to be done in order to do what's right.
Seeing them being almost killed in such brutal ways really made me think about how this story could've easily ended up like an episode from 'The Boys'.
Completely forgot how much of a beast cap was taking on hulk. Walked up to him and hit him with a right hook, even getting hulkt to stumble from it. Cap in general was done well same with everyone
Note: In Earth 1610, the Super-Soldier serum plays an important role in the Ultimate Universe as many parties sought to recreate the serum that created Captain America. This resulted in the creation of the mutants, the spider that bit Peter Parker, the Osborne formula, the Hulk's creation, and Captain America's analogues in Europe.
And the MCU tried to do something similar.
It’s kinda funny seeing everyone love this version of Ultimate Cap without knowing how hated comic Ultimate Cap is.
He is not exactly hated, he is not particularly loved or cherished either.
He was the best part of the first Ultimates comic, be it a good or a bad thing.
He's so terrible, an unironic version of Soldier Boy but without any of the actual humor
Now talk about super hero squad and it’s run of the infinite saga waaaaay before mcu started to really pick up
I remember being a teenager when this came out and my father bought it for me on dvd and we watched it together. I really enjoyed it. It was such great writing and performances (Nolan North as Antman) - both of them were great. It's a shame it wasn't a trilogy and that marvel didn't continue making more animated movies like this
I could never get past the hulk part in this movie, I was so scared of hulk. My fear of him was very sporadic though, I had tons of hulk toys and games, and watched the cartoon all the time, but this movie and anything else scared me. I do remember loving this movie though.
This movie was my first ever exposure to the Avengers! I loved everything about this film, mainly Iron Man's bulkier armor design!
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When I first watched The Avengers in the cinema, I was half-expecting the scene in the Helliciarrier to be similar to this film. I mean, can you imagine Cap vs Hulk in live-action?
In the Ultimate comics the Ultimates are technically the Ultimate Universe version of the Avengers. And I love that so much better than the main Marvel continuity.
One thing about Hank beating up Janet in the comics: that happened only once and Hank was not in his right mind at the time. That element, as you mentioned, got exploded by Mark Miller in the Ultimates making it an extremely abusive relationship, which retroactively corrupted an otherwise pretty wholesome relationship. Hank Pym was not an abusive asshole.
Exactly. If I believe when Hank went all yellow jacket his mind was messed up
Hank did nothing wrong,he just needed therapy.
I remember watching both of these as a kid really thought hulk was gonna pick up the hammer in live action because of this movie 😂
Thank you so much for bringing back memories. I have thought about these movies so often as they were also my introduction into the wider Marvel Universe. I wasn’t certain when I saw the title but as I watched and saw the scenes, the memories came flooding back. I watched these two so much growing up. Wish I still had them somewhere
thank you SO much for making this video. This movie defined my childhood & seeing it get the love it deserves makes me mad happy
To be fair in the original avengers comic, they did fight the hulk. He was under Loki‘s control, but still it was a Avengers vs hulk situation.
This is probably my fav Captain America
Even tho it's bad aspects (racist Cap, evil Hulk, evil Ant-Man, and antiquated trends and unnecessary violence) prevent me from putting the Ultimates on my very top favorite Avengers comics, cuz the mainstream OG marvel avengers comics are the ones I like to read the most, the Ultimates are in my 2nd top for it's good parts: the parts revealing the hidden hearts under their jerkishness, the character development they grow most of them, the action, the atmosphere, the modern take helping the Avengers franchise back into sales, and finally the Ultimates comics 1 and 2 did help inspire the MCU (along with the animated movies).
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I used to watch this as a kid and I could not find it until now
Wait… so you’re telling me them not making Steve Rogers a raging racist was the right move? But how else are they going to make him edgy? What’s nuance? Clearly the only way to tell that these stories is by throwing all that out the door and replacing them with one dimensional angst
I actually like racist captain america in the comics because let's be honest if a man from the 1940s woke up in modern times they would probably not be as accustomed to the mindset of modern humans in America also racist captain america is accurately representing most people in america who are racists let's be honest america is a very racist country like, France
@@mickeymouse7726 come on dude not everyone was a raging racist lunatic.
Uhhhh I don’t remember cap being a racist in ultimates or in most of his incarnations
@@ianbruno237 you didn't pay attention then, because he is racist on the ultimate universe.
@@rosalinamacarita01 No hes not lol
Bro I freaking MISS the old Marvel animated movies. Thank you so much for making this!
Same plus the young avengers one and hulk vs one
@TheGlassesPro wrong, dumbass
@TheGlassesPro its different though. It works in animation, just not in live action.
@@NuggetGX It can still work in live action. It’s not just for animation. Not everything’s needs to follow the mcu formula. That’s just your opinion lol. Why do you think a lot of dceu fans like the way the the universe started and we’re fine with it?
@@comicbooknerd3570 because your a fan of the franchise and regardless of what they put out your always going to try to give them the benefit of the doubt. The way the dceu not only started, but ran was a complete mess. Hopefully james gunn can fix it up 🙏🙏🙏
As a kid this was definitive avengers for me. Especially after seeing the kid avengers. It was my favorite trilogy.
Honestly, this is what the hulk should’ve been in the MCU just purely unstoppable
This movie was definitely what The Ultimates should have been, considering they're much closer to the original Avengers rather than the blatant super soldiers we got in the Ultimate Universe. Of course, a big reason why The Ultimates was the way it was had been the result of a post-9/11 media landscape, in which it was largely Mark Millar critiquing President Bush's foreign policy without explicitly bringing up things like Iraq and Afghanistan or things like that.
Unsurprisingly, those comics did NOT age well, this movie aged much better than they did, and now we have a better version of even THIS with the 2012 movie.
Oh my god, 616 Hank didn’t “beat the shit out of Janet”. It was a misinterpretation of the intended scene on the artist’s part and it was the only time he ever “beat” her. It’s not like he abused her on a daily basis.
Exactly
Ultimates cap is the best cap. EMH is 2nd because I feel like he did not live up to his true comic strength.But can we talk about how ultimate was able to 1v1 the hulk? Even tho he defeated Ant Man and Thor and Stark, he still choose to stand up to the Hulk, even tho he knew he was no match. I truly love this Cap wish this was the 2012 Avengers movie. Can we also admire the amount of times Cap was ragdolled? Also I love how he just tell's Hulk am not done with and just punched him in the face was Fucking fantastic!.
Agreed. However, there is no movie or shows that got Cap "fully" right but just some aspects of him.
Like Ultimates is Cap with his compelling man out of time driven story, leadership or tactical skills, never say die attitude and superhuman physical abilities.
EMH is Cap with his inspirational speeches, commanding presence and noble character.
MCU Cap with his peerless fighting skills whether martial arts or otherwise.
There are so many parts of what makes comic book Captain America great that is never adapted to its last drop in his mainstream incarnations. Ultimate Avengers is the closest however.
@@darn4285 💯 and something people don't realize, nor the Dr. Who(pun) created the SSS knew, was that just like Hulk who gets stronger when he gets angrier, Steve does so also to a lesser degree but based on WILL POWER not anger and it explains 90% of 'plot armor' seen in his tales.
People go by his BASE stats of 800lbs overhead lift, but that was 40 years ago and he's grown physically since the 1950s when he had a more slim figure (looks 180lbs) and was very fast and strong back then.
In the late 1980's onward he was 40-60lbs bigger.
That's 40lbs+ of SSS muscle, not regular muscles.
His bones are denser, overall everything is enhanced and in SYNERGY, but most people think he's just on Super Steroids and just 'Strong'.
Cap man handled Iron Fist with only BASIC fighting moves, as narrated straight from Danny's thoughts.
Yet I see people putting IF and others, above Cap on H2H fighting lists.smh.
*1940s
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Surprisingly, the captions got Chitari right
11:29 - 12:23 If there's ever a time when I feel bad for the Avengers, it's whenever they have to try to fight the Hulk. Because you know that at best, they're about to get their asses beat really badly, and at worst, some of them are about to lose their lives.
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Why?
I got this at a movie rental place when I was 4 and never returned it
Ultimate Avengers demonstrated to me that Millar never should have been writer for those comics. Plotting, absolutely. But his general distaste for all of these characters no matter what he was writing always shone through.
I love the Ultimate comics and for me it began with Ultimate Spider-Man. And I remember that it was a new modern take for the Marvel comics.
For those who think The Boys comics are awful and too edgy and a poorly written fan fiction that just hates the characters and the concept of superheroes, read the Ultimate Avengers comics and I Triple Dog Dare You to read them and try to prove me wrong and tell me your thoughts of it
Being an elder nerd i noticed this right off.
I would love for an adaptation of the comics again in a tv form, matching the story of Mark Millar and art of Bryan Hitch down to the last detail. (Obviously this would have to be animated)
The closest thing I can recommend is Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. It's an adaptation of the original 616 Avengers instead of the Ultimates, but it's still the best adaptation of them. Yes, it's better than the MCU.
Yes, the avengers movies aren't original, the 2 animated movies were the actual blue print. They came out in 2006. But to be honest, it's also annoying how the movies de powered cap. In the 2006 anime movie, the guy flipped a tank to use it's guns like a normal human flipping a book. No effort. And I like how he threw around all those soldiers the moment he woke up from ice, in the movie it was only 2 guys and in the anime he threw around at least 10 guys shooting at him and had no shield
Agreed, people forget how strong he really is in the comics.
They always weaken to him to "humanise" him more.
I remember owing this movie on DVD when i was a kid and being so confused after watching the Avengers movie because I thought it was supposed to be an adaptation of the animated movie
I wish they made more animated movies like these again. Remember Hulk vs Wolverine/Thor, that shit was awesome.
@@somerandolad and brutal, I'll never forget seeing hulk tear through the asgardian army like they're nothing.
@TheGlassesPro it was cool knowing that, I was confused that thor didn't recognize him when he first saw him though.
@TheGlassesPro source?
Trust me bro
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"They're fighting N4Z1 ALIENS"
Well, the History Channel is gonna have a field day with this one
"Aliens. N4ZI Aliens."
I was born before two eras, and grew up with both.
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honest opinion: this ultimate avengers movie was one of my favourite marvel productions. i like it, ever since the first time i watched it when i was little
I genuinely love the voice cast for these movies. This is the voice I hear in my head for Nick Fury. Also: just in case anyone’s wondering, in the Ultimates, Hulk goes on a rampage because he finds out Betty is on a date with another man, ends up killing hundreds of people and Betty eventually reveals that she’s turned on by Bruce’s jealousy.
Establishes titles ads always make me laugh hard after what happened
The animated movie actually introduced me to the MCU so I’m great full for that
I remember watching this as kid & absolutely loving it while being taken aback by how different some characters felt. Will definitely rewatch it after this video.
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In the comics thors Hammer gets heavier the more someone who isn't worthy tries to lift it, but since Hulk is yk "hulk" he succeeds, so it makes sense
They really need to do Spider-Man animated movies in this style, not as a kid but more an adult.
bought this movie for psp back when it dropped lol, core childhoood memory right there
How old were you when you watched it?
I definitely alr knew this tbh robcorp alr said this like a while ago but cool video fr and not only that it took mad inspiration or wtv it’s just more close to 616 in terms of characters because the mcu characters are better then the comics tbh especially captain America he doesn’t feel so goofy he feels like an actual hero
8:42 They did, shitari.
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Also in the ultimate bank sprayed Janet with bug spray.
If Norton wanted the hulk to be the secret main villain in the avengers then it could’ve been pulled off perfectly tbh and so to prove how strong and uncontrollable he is as an asset. Hell that would even warrant them at least to give us a planet hulk movie. I genuinely think the mcu failed directly after avengers age of ultron simply for not doing more with what they had
7:28 In the 616 continuity he accidentally slapped her while being dramatic. One time. For fuck’s sake move on.
FCK YES ive been saying this for years
This, it's sequel and Next Avengers (which I hope you make a video about btw, it was a really fun unique movie) defined my childhood experiences with Marvel along with the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. I'm so glad the MCU was able to follow in their footsteps by taking what the best elements from it's source and remixing it into something better, cohesive, and respectful to it's roots.
Plus you're absolutely right, we need more animated Marvel movies. This is one reason why Spider-Verse works so well.
I'm honestly annoyed by the hate my Marvel Animation childhood gets and all the love the MCU got.
I think the only Live Action movies I'll ever like for now on are the Transformers and TMNT ones, I can't believe I'm the only casual Marvel fan that shown appreciation to Marvel Animation unlike the MCU elitists that care about Live Action more than anything else.
You are young and lucky u had tv shows. We used to flip pages of comic books..and that's gold..the OGs
Your right
I want more animated avengers
Hey Browntable, at 7:29 why did a card for Black Adam pop up when you were talking about beloved characters being ruined? That's a coincidence right?
10:52 that sudden cut is funny
The thing that I find strange about the Chitauri in these movies is they can shape shift but only one of them uses this ability
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Yes the close captions really do translate chitari to shitari
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He wasn't never aware about that gag gift sponsore
FINALLY someone else remembers these movies. Have you seen Hulk VS, Planet Hulk, and that one Dr. Strange?
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Honestly I liked the first Ultimates 1 and 2, but this has a soft spot in my heart. It found a way to modernize/streamline the Ultimate comics, it has potential but it could have explored its themes better.
Also since the early 2000 and The Ultimate comics, Tony identity is public and everyone knows he is Iron Man
Sorrto say it but establish titles is a scam
Oh wow that ad already doesn’t age well 😂
is thors weapon Mjölnir in this movie? I thought it looked like his axe from the mcu
Avengers EMA and these animated films were all I had as a gateway to the wider Marvel Universe other than the Spider-Man, X-Men, and F4 films lol
Man, I miss Marvel Animation...
I miss GOOD Marvel animation, they still made em even in recent years but or course they don't need to spend shit on them anymore now that they're riding with Disney and that is very depressing to think about.
Least we managed to get Earth's Mightiest Heroes before the end of that golden age.
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this is why I think that captain america's first movie should have started with him freezing over, and have the rest of the movie be a citizen kane style exploration of past events. where he trudges through his memories and tries to understand the innumerable changes between his time and modern day.
Fantastic movie. Everybody loves it.
Hank Pym never beat the shit out of Janet in the original comics. I'm reading the tales to Astonish comics and they're partners.
fun fact, i had my first b0nner cause Black Widow with this movie
Now that you say it, I dunno what my first bonner was for
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I don't know why people approach the Ultimates as if they were meant to be a hip retelling of the Avengers, when from the get go the comic states it's gonna be a deconstruction of the Avengers (AKA: the most cynical mainstream superhero team) inserted in a context of sociopolitical control by the American government in which security and entertainment has become weaponized. It's like reading Watchmen and saying it's bad because of its bleakness and nihilism, when the point of the whole thing is to expose the bleak and senseless violent world of the 80s!
The threat of the Hulk, for instance, is just to depict the overall incompetence of the government and how they would attempt and succeed at turning an accidental tragedy into a marketing stunt for the superhero team they just spent millions on. It's never feels "epic" or "heroic" because it's never meant to be so. In a meta way, it's what the writers for the subsequent adaptations do.
The 2012 movie and this one just take surface elements from the Ultimates because they don't really dare to do any of that and instead decide to be just a modern retelling of the Avengers, which is fine on its own, but really makes most comparisons invalid.
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