5090 vs 2 SFF Cases
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CPU temps in the ridge was high 70s in game. When rendering shaders or anything very cpu intensive it would hit its thermal limit of 95ºC but still maintain its boost clock up to 5.2GHz. Which is typical for the L12S. The NANOQ was mostly the same story for cpu intensive stuff and gaming temps were higher in the low to mid 80’s from what I seen. Admittedly, I was paying much closer attention to the GPU so I didn’t stress test the CPU much. Also - if it wasn't clear, the NANOQ was tested with the shell on.
I see a few comments about the Terra - something to remember is that the height of the Founders 5090 is still 137mm, so you will have to have the spine in the #4 slot giving you around 62mm of cpu clearance. That wouldn't be enough for the L12S and does limit your cooling options for the 9800X3D (which I would recommend if you are going with a 5090). I wasnt sure if you all would think that was a realistic build due to the compromises you may need to make. But it could make for an interesting video/experiment. Let me know if you want to see that and ill make it happen!
Wait. Shit. I didn't pay notice about the height of the 5080/5090 cooler design. My plan was to go for the 5080 in my terra. Got the L12SX77 on my 9800X3D. So of course i'm on the #7 slot... Such a perfect match for my 4070 Super FE....
Wargh... My 2nd plan was to get the T1 and do it like Optimum: Black Ridge on the 9800X3D and offset for the gpu riser so i got clearance between back of the mainboard an the 5080 FE...
(Option 3 actually is the DAN A4-H2O, but i don't wanna go back to an aio cooling for the cpu)
Argh... I though i can atleast testing the 5080 in my Terra :<
Or maybe i just leave the side panel on the gpu side off xD
Hey! Can you confirm that the L12S fits on the Strix X870-I without modification or do you have to bend the heatpipes slightly? The Noctua website says they aren't compatible--but I would love to pair them and you seem to do so without trouble!
@@gdavidlagosI just got mine and it fits, but you have to mount without offset. If you use the recommended offset position for AM5 it overlaps with the M2 stack
Debauer and Optimum have both done similiar with power set to 75-80% with a slight overclock applied with amazing results. Power draw is closer to 4090 FE numbers, no loss in performance and of course lower temps. Love your videos and look forward to more builds with these!
whoa thats good news. ill check them out!
They do lose performance...
Was just about to comment this haha. Seems like it makes a huge difference.
Straight to the point, data focused, no lengthy 90 second intro, no "like and subscribe" shoutouts - I'm impressed. Subscribed.
Very interesting finds here, seems like undervolting/power limiting may be the move here for SFF & sandwich style cases. Would love to see a test in the NCASE M2!
Undervolting and power limiting should always be the move in a small form factor case, regardless of the GPU. Very surprised/disappointed he didn’t attempt that in this video.
surprised to see so many reviewers struggled with pcie riser issue. changing the pcie gen in the bios is a very well known fundamental step in itx build process, that has been known long since the gen 3 to gen 4 transition. should be the first thing to look out for if u have any issue.
thanks for testing in ITX cases though. looks like 5080 FE should be quite viable even in sandwich cases if even the 5090 FE is doable.
That's because so many people convinced themselves that PCIE 4 and all its lanes was more than enough for the 5090's needs. It's a commonly regurgitated statement made on reddit. When at the end of the day, it all comes down to compatibility.
@@Athasin gen4 is more than enough for 5090, at least for gaming. Even gen3 is 98% there
@@riba2233 Clearly not.
@@Athasin clearly yes based on multiple relevant benchmarks. If 4090 just barely maxed out gen3 how do you think that 27% stronger 5090 can max out gen4 which has double the bandwidth?
@@Athasin you didn't even understand my comment. PCIE 4 IS totally enough for 5090. there is no compatibility issue and there is no bandwidth issue... the only problem is people not setting it to gen 4 manually in the bios, and using some 'auto' or 'default' setting.
I’d love to see some testing with the ncase m2
I also wanted to see an M2 test, but I realized it would likely not experience the same bottlenecks because it's a pretty spacious case with a good amount of GPU clearance. The cases he uses do end up testing the 5090 a bit more harshly :)
Yes M2 with normal air cooler so we can see how CPU temps are affected.
Yeah this is the comment i have seen everywhere, yet every SSF builder that has made videos have used another case. A bit odd.
I mean it’s just a case that will have little to no issue.
No compatibility issue and no pcie riser.
The only potential issue is the gpu dumping 500w onto the cpu which can be offset with an aio setup
@@sentryion3106 Yeah, that's what we want to see tested.
Thanks for the video! Would love to see the same test with Fractal Design Era 2 😊
Thanks for testing on the Fractal Ridge. I plan on building in that case soon and I’m just waiting for the 5000 series to release.
Man… the size of that Fractal Ridge build is so impressive, I love it and from my point of view it’s gorgeous.
The 5090 FE cooler actually shoots a decent amount of hot air out of the side, at an angle also. This could be why the thermals in the Ridge aren't as good as some might expected, some of that hot air could be blocked by the top panel.
I think the setup that makes the most sense for this style of cooler is perhaps a sandwich style layout with side exhaust, something like the Meshlicious, set it to 4-slot mode, put the 5090 in the 2nd or 3rd slot (leave 1 or 2 slots of room for rear exhaust), and use front fans for exhaust (a typical negative pressure setup).
Combined with a bit of undervolting and power limiting, this card should be an engineering marvel in terms of performance or power to temperature and noise.
hmmm ill have to try this. I don't have a meshlicious specifically, but I can do that in a different case. I noticed that the top of the ridge was hotter to the touch than the side so you might be on to something.
@@devyn.johnston You can watch the Schlieren imaging of the airflow pattern (Gamers Nexus has a video on this).
I don't know in the sandwich style case you showed in this video, how much space you have behind the GPU, but I think the setup is already kind of similar. Nevertheless, it is keeping up with the Ridge thermal results.
I think you can also kind of do this in a T1 (3-slot mode, leave 1 slot for exhaust) but the 4-slot configuration in the Meshlicious/Meshroom would still be best as it provides the most unobstructed airflow path.
@@devyn.johnston i personally think testing it in the fractal but this time with fans pulling the hot air out from the top of the GPU might decrease temps when compared to fans set at intake at the bottom of the GPU.
@@__________________________4073Agreed, if there's clearance (might be tough with that power connector angle) it's worth it to track down some slim 80mm fans for the top of the Ridge. I don't have before/after temps but we've got two 80mm in my wife's Ridge and the air they exhaust is plenty warm when her 4089 is under load.
Very interesting, would love to see temps in an A4-H2O build 🙏🏻
The ridge looks good and with these overpowered two slots gpu's now it makes even more sense! Nice idea to test this one first!
Love the content!
Always love it when you use the NanoQ R!
I'd like to see how this will perform in a Fractal Terra. Undervolting seems like almost a must do when using a 5090 in a SFF case.
I don't really understand how having to manually set the PCIe generation based on what riser you're using is surprising so many RUclipsrs, this same exact thing was happening and widely recognized during the gen 3 to gen 4 transition.
Ridge with an opening for the exhaust could be very nice.
Thanks for the info on the riser cable i just build a new pc with the nanoq r the only thing i didnt get was a gpu. I wasnt able to get a 50 series card at launch and now im planning on using an older gpu till i can get a 5090/5080 later on.
I was wondering what the two slots would look like in sff cases and for airflow with the fan layout, thanks a bunch.
That power draw is eye watering. I already undervolt my cards, but I don't see how anyone can run the 5090 founders without undervolting at this point.
Laughs in 1000W PSU!
Cries in only 1000W PSU!
The Ridge temperatures were higher than I expected considering it has two 140mm fans pointed directly at the GPU and a supposedly clear path for the hot air to take. I assume the back cover isn't as transparent as it should be so some of the hot air might just be getting trapped inside the case. I wonder adding the three small fans on the top would help. Also curious if the two 140mm fans on that case help or hurt the temperatures. Some additional testing with the 140mm fans disabled, extra fans added on top, or even just with the back panel removed should make things clearer.
Been watching the SFF builds for a while and really liked the insights on those smaller cases. The fractal ridge air funnel with the 5090 is such a nice fit.
I am glad to see your approach when it comes to benchmarking and clearly naming frame gen a visual smoothing feature rather than a performance increase, it matters a lot not falling for misleading marketing so I am glad that you behave more like a reviewer than an influencer when it comes to informing your audience.
And yes nvidia themselves in the past said frame gen should only be enabled if you already hit 60fps prior so seeing game devs advertising frame gen to hit 60fps is a red flag if I have ever seen one, thanks for calling that out as well! Looking forward to more small PC builds with the new cards!
About to build in the Ridge, this is good news. Cheers Devyn
Curious what the CPU and motherboard temps are from the 5090 design since it essentially dumps it onto the CPU in most PC cases
Must not be good with how many reviewers are avoiding showing it.
This was my first thought when i saw the cooler for the 5090, although I'm questioning the assisted fans causing turbulence, and the exhaust filter causing a blockage. Would be cool to see a custom case, where there are open holes on the sides of a similar case, with 3d printed ducts on both sides. Essentially making the gpu entirely exposed to the outside air and making sure all the air exhausts unhindered.
You should do a build in the Densium 4
Thanks for sharing. Please note that a rtx5090 fe reaching 83c is basically thermal throttling
I thought as much, please when you find a PCIe gen 5 riser cable, that would be great for the 5090 in the formd ti, please and please do not fail to inform us.
I've been on Amazon trying to get one, but the comments on there is just disconcerting, and ofcourse specify the length and size that would fit in thr formd t1 too, thank you and great video once again 👍🏾
Thx for thas. I just got nanoq r and i hope the performance will be even better for cou and gpu temp with aib card and axp 90 x47.
I would love to see the temps with the fans set to max
I'll add that to my testing from now on. I will say, when setting up the fan speeds they go to max and the noise was unbearable in both cases.
Building in a Jonson Z20 this time, but I have a Fractal Ridge new in box still. I’m reluctant this time for the FE card with thermals, especially the vram. MSI Suprim looks like a decent choice, but such big cards 😢
I’d love to see how it performs in the Fractal Terra! I’m anxious it’s going to be too hot in my build…
Would’ve loved too see some results after an undervolt. I don’t think anyone will be running this card stock in a SFFPC.
Love your new title style! Informative and straight to the point. Don’t even have to use DeArrow anymore lol
Would love to see this in Fractal Era 2 which turned out to be solid case for 4090..
which monitor？ looks great
everyone: what kind of intro should i do?
Devyn: NO.
Ridge with an undervolt / OC to any 50 series FE card may be the play tbh. If you use fan control to scale off GPU temps for both the case and internal fans I could see the lower TGP cards being extremely chilly.
I was just thinking about how the double flow through would work in the Fractal Ridge
You think this would fit in a s300?
Thank you for the video! QQ - I have one of those 90-degree CM cables, but it has the 12VHPWR connector on both ends (came with the updated ATX 3.1 power supply that has a 12HPWR receptable built into it). In that instance, it possible to reverse the cable, and plug the 90-degree end into the PSU instead?
i am hoping for Fractal Terra test with up to 2 cm offset from the middle spine. Also how will the riser from that case react to heat from this GPU and if the riser has enough free length for that to even be possible
i really want same test with t1 and ghost s1
A 5090 in a Fractal Terra would be an interesting test to run. The inherit limitations of the Terra alongside how the FE 5090 is designed represents a worse case scenario.
Thx I was waiting for this ..I’m building a lower cost version of what u got lol..b850 instead
Mind if I ask you to try the D12L no VGPU config in the NCASE M2? This is great!
At the end of the day, are you recommending nanoq r for 5090 in terms of temperature and and in general? Really looking forward to your reply, since thor zone are restocking them tonight
@@ГошаВасильев-з1т I think nanoq will be better than other sandwich cases cuz it can fit 4 slots and can fit 3 140mm fan which other sandwich couldn't like terra, t1. I think CPU temp gonna be hot with fe compared to aio too.
Have you ever built/seen the case Acat x Pro?
I was considering that case for a FE, since it can fir a 240/280mm radiator on top and 1 or 2 slim fans on bottom.
The case allows for 3 slots GPU, so one could leave some space between the MoBo and the GPU, and let the bottom fans manage the intake, but the case itself its kinda rare to get, and i am afraid it may not work, since i have only build a SFF, and wasn't that "small"
I'm wanting to drop it into a Fractal Terra. Would be interested to see temps in that since it's smaller and wouldn't allow for as big of fans.
If you use a console style case, and have the GPU intake face the same side as the CPU, can you tell a noise difference if you point the exhaust side of the case towards you Vs the intake side? I wouldn't mind the heat coming at me. Or alternatively, have you ever mounted a console style pc on a stand behind your monitor?
I have a Ryzen 5 3600X and rtx 3070 in my Dan A4 and the noise is too much to bear and the temps sometimes cause a shutdown, so I'm thinking I need a 7800X3D for that PBO2 to tame the temps (I already have a custom power curve for my GPU) and maybe a bigger CPU cooler. That will mean a new case so I'm considering a console style layout as it's probably more space efficient than a sandwich. As you already stated the cooler design is now push through so sandwich is going to be struggling with heat getting trapped.
What do you think?
Is there any benefit in going for sandwich layout still?
I had a guess of what it was when you said you were having trouble with the riser cable. I was correct lol. Been there, done that :D
So I’m highly considering getting the Nanoq.. but I intend to water cool with the exact same build you have here.. aside from RAM (going 64GB), and want the 9950X3D. Which one would you suggest.. S or R? 5090 should fit the S no problem now if I can snag a founders, but I’m curious about radiator space and if the smaller radiators would be sufficient enough for this build.
You said the 4090 FE ran cooler in the Ridge - was that with 140mm fans in the Ridge? The 140x25mm fans shouldn't fit with the 4090FE, but slim fans work. Did it have 140x15s, or no intake fans at all?
Would love to know if running the side fans as exhaust on the Ridge makes any difference, so the cards fans are intaking air and then the hot air is assisted in exiting the case.
That memory temp looks awful tho. I think a power limit / undervolt is mandatory for this GPU.
Fractal ridge I believe is flawed.
The GPU should be positioned at the bottom with the two fans behind it, helping to pull out hot air, and fresh air in. Also dividing the case into two chambres shoud be a good idea. Both the CPU and GPU should have intake form the same side, but CPU and PSU exhausting at the top (obviously).
I've made my own cabinet this way, with a 450W ROG Strix 3080 ti, and get almost open bench temps on the GPU. I also managed to cram in a 280mm AIO in front of the CPU, keeping that part cool as well ;)
But how should this work with the cooler of the FE? Your 3080ti is blowing out air at the end where the connectors are. The 5090FE is a blow through.
My GPU does mainly blow air out at the sides (like most AIB cards). The fans behind pulls this hot air out, thus cool air enters from one side (front of GPU where the GPUs fans do most of the work), and exites at the other side. This set up will help the 5090 FE more than pushing air with fans in front of it. The turbulent air from the front fans is not optimal for the FE cards own fans to work with...
@@andreasw.hvammen3946 Okay got it. In the comment you said two fans behind the gpu. So If I understand correctly the gpu should pull in at the wall where it is actually closed and fans behind it should pull air out where it is meshed? I don't have a ridge but how narrow is the gap between gpu and the closed wall to actually suck air? But sounds plausible.
This has me worried about my new Era2 build...
4:49 That is already being done and its not good atm, if they rely heavily on it they are going to exclude a massive portion of players just because they don't have the 50 series cards that cost 2-3x the price of the rest of the PC
FRACTAL RIDGE IS VIABLE??!
Seriously tho, this is my favorite case and I’ve been wanting to make a high powered build in it for some time. Anyone know the power supply restrictions and CPU temps are in this case?
I’m getting rid of my ridge and getting a Jonsbo d32. Better cooling capabilities.
6:05 no the 5090 only has 1 fps difference between pcie5.0 and 4.0
Ncase M1 and Formd T1 testing please :)
hopefully the 5070 ti or 9070xt pulls through on price to performance to heat
I think it’s very wierd that PCIE Gen 4 riser don’t work with this card. Like I get that this is a older standard and all but was this really an issue that NVIDIA couldn’t fix?
Curious how the CPU temps were in the Nanoq, did the FE adversely affect temps?
CPU in the ridge was high 70s in game. When rendering shaders or anything very cpu intensive it would hit its thermal limit of 95ºC but still maintain its boost clock up to 5.2GHz. Which is typical for the L12S. The NANOQ was mostly the same story for cpu intensive stuff and gaming temps were higher in the low to mid 80’s from what I seen. Admittedly, I was paying much closer attention to the GPU so I didn’t stress test the CPU much.
why does no one EVER use the axp100 full copper?
Inst there a way to place the fans as exhaust for the GPU on the ridge? setting then right up its own seems pointless to me
GPU Temp over 80ºC means the hotspot temp could hit 100ºC, and all these with fresh applied liquid metal, the temps will likely increase notably in 18 months or so without reapplying liquid metal,
How do you think it'll do in your new custom case? 👀
Looking for some NCASE M2 results comparing layouts.
I am 100% not at all interested in purchasing a 5090. That’s partially due to the fact that I own a 4090 and the price to performance gain on the 5090 just doesn’t justify it for me. The raw performance jump is minimal based on benchmarks. This paper launch of the 50 series is very disappointing for those that truly wanted to get a GPU this gen. NVIDIA really knows how to screw their customers…with all that being said your work is very impressive! GLHF
Why is it so hard to get a 9800x3d yet everyone on RUclips seems to have one. It’s so annoying
Is there anyway to offset the gpu in the nanoq r?
some reviewer are reporting 'coil whine' from the 5090 during testing. Did you experience anything like that?
yes there is some coil whine on mine. I only noticed on the open bench and didnt hear it in either of the cases
Why 7200 memory?
How is the sandwich layout affect cpu/motherboard temps since the hot air is blowing right through the gpu into them?
Edit: asking because I’ll be building in the nanoq r with a 5090 FE. Unsure if it’ll be better to go with a AIO or air cooler for the cpu
@@No_Skill42 I think go with air cooler cuz I can put 3 140mm fan and no rad obstruction in airflow.u can even put bigger CPU cooler too. I'm getting aio 5090 so depending on size I'm going axp 47 full copper or 53 on my 9800x3d with 3 140mm fan all on exhaust.i think nanoq will be able to handle it
Wonder what a worst case sandwich style layout would look like temps wise, for all of GPU, CPU and mobo. Something like the Terra with space for only one exhaust on the bottom.
optimum and devyn on their way to save the sff community ❤
How was the coil whine compared to 4090 FE?
my 5090 and 4090 founders both have coil whine. for mine they are about the same level. most noticeable on the bench, but I don't hear it in the case
Why 7200? You’re gonna be in a slower 2:1 mode that doesn’t net any advantage over 8000 at 2:1 or 6000 1:1 w/ the tightest possible timings.
This thing puts out vver 500 watts on full load? That's hair dryer levels of consumption, and I would know all about hair dryers. NCLOWNIA doesn't seem to prioritize efficiency as much as marketing blurbs. The worries about frame generation used as a crutch instead of optimization are perfectly valid.
yeees somone made it, ridge! plese and for 5080.
Hey! You make exceptional videos. BTW, why don't you consider collaborating with optimum? It's about to be an insane collab.
4:20 almost 300 reported frames and it's STUTTERING!
$2000 GPU btw. No refunds. But who needs frames when you have AI?
This is good but most people will buy the 5070ti, I’m waiting for the 5080 super.
The hotspot is prolly around 95c, Nvidia hid it for a reason.
Can you do a build of the 5090 with the FormD T1? I am curious to know how much the small form factor chokes the airflow off and there is a real concern of the flow through affecting motherboard temps.
Ncase m2 vertical gpu build!!
Game devs that make games that reccomend or require frame gen dont deserve our money, they deserve our money when they dont make unoptimized unoriginal slop
4:43 sudden green lightning artefact, mfg looks like a mess
Yeah....good luck getting hold of a 5090FE anytime in the next 6 months.
2:45 i wouldnt say 42 db is near silent
Optimum has already achieved what you're looking for
yeah, high 70s C in Australia means high 80s. not good.
Nvidia should have replaced all 40 series owner’s cables as a courtesy…
Might be the minority here but I really wanna see how 5090 performs in a nr200p v2 with aio
no plastic smell or smoke yet :D so power hungry card 5090 is .. that cables melt or just die ..
great video Devyn!
Surprisingly outer wilds is the most taxing gpu game ive seen. 80c on my 4080s
can someone tell me how to get founders edition xdddddd
Can you also add in the idle temps for that 9800x3d CPU? Like how are you and Optimum just missing these important details.