I had an absolute blast last night with my 5090. We played so many VR titles and more, finished up the night with a great dinner… then I woke up from the dream.
@@kingeryck1 still can, you just won't be able to play the unoptimized UE5 dumpster fires at ultra settings, but that's ok, a lot of them look terrible at any setting
05:05 Because Jay Broke It!, You went for a record not an all day over-clock...User Error. AND: Thankyou Jay now we know the general Zotac 5090 silicon limit. Peace ☮☮🤔
Who’s both? Not me lol scapler listing on my market place in my area said I got a notification he sold it for over $3k someone was desperate enough to buy it for $3k or more!!!!
i dont know avout that investment.. i had sevetal 4090's that burned, fires happened, and just simple doa or just dies randomly.. a lot of money went into the 4090's either off the shelf and prebuilts.
Not true at all, don't be ignorant. They're being sold, not sitting there. The majority of the GPU's are sold to gamers, scalpers are a large but still minority percentage compared to gamers lining up to buy when stock alerts hit. The issue is a terribly low supply. Not "scalpers". Scalpers only show up when there's incredibly low supply to exploit the market condition of extreme scarcity. If there were NO scalpers, you probably still would not have a GPU as all the other gamers would've bought it in seconds and sold out just as quick. If so many scalpers had the GPU'S like you claim, than the price per GPU would crash to retail price and there would be zero incentive to scalp since they couldn't be sold.
@DrDoinks I didn't mean for my comment to come off as ignoring the actual shortage if the cards. In hindsight, I should have put that the low stock that's available is mostly sitting in the hands of scalpers. I get why you still think I'm ignorant and I believe both things are true.
@@ThePoushal Yeah, except you've just said nothing to counter my point. But you won't do that, because you're just butthurt but don't have any facts behind why you are
@@iHadWaterForDinner Well they ARE the apple. All the work is done on nvidia cards, and best everyone has to offer is emulation of CUDA (the thing that made nvidia a monopoly just as professional editing software made apple a monopoly when they were still using intel CPU`s).
mine showed up yesterday. only paid $400. now i get to turn around and sell my 6900xt for between $500-$550. admittedly though I got lucky. it was an untested card from ebay being sold as "for parts" if i remember correctly. only thing wrong with it is a cracked fan (none of the blades were effected) and the cooler on the end furthest from the connections is bent a bit. all the warranty stickers are still in place. only thing i had to do was bend the mounting bracket back in place a bit.
@@RAM_C5The markups on prebuilts is almost as much as the scalpers. Nothing against prebuilts, but that’s why people who want to upgrade an existing machine don’t buy them.
@NOISYBOY0706 I comped everything afterwords and markup was close to 300$. Shipping was free also.... I'm sure I could wait however many months to hopefully get lucky and get a 9800X3D or 5090, but I'll have mine later this month - fully tested and no headaches for an extra 300.
Step 1) design a new power connector Step 2) have horrendous problems with said power connector and release a revision Step 3) release new cards that exceed the specifications that you, yourself, set Step 4) $$$
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 yes. people who design the software are indeed the over clockers and as such push it with variable software and Motherboard bios/ Its only when realize this that you wait before you buy and let everyone else beta test that shit.
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 which wouldnt be an issue if nvidia didnt push 575 watts through a 600 watts rated cable without account for transient spikes. it is a bad idea and problems will continue until they go back to 8 pin power.
9:28 Umm, no they haven't? Run msconfig, go to the Boot tab and click Safe Boot. Yes, they should still have a hotkey to do it pre-boot, but the ability to reboot in Safe Mode has most certainly not been removed.
Yeah Jay says some wild things sometimes. You can also still just use the cmd prompt to get to the advanced boot options using, "SHUTDOWN /R /O". Use "SHUTDOWN /?" to see descriptions of all the available flags.
Mismanaged launch and mismanaged software releases. I would wait till like the middle of the year or longer before buying a new 5090 card. Just wait and let everyone else be the "beta" tester.
Saw that also while i was in work and i must a bit laugh cuz bruhh that expensive gpus Like 5090 and right after driver instal gpu goes into móde o dont exist anymore so yeah funny shit so far but we beard just about two burned psus and just one new 13 pin burned out so i guess we have to prepare for some shit coming
Jay you have mentioned twice now about DDU and unplugging the ethernet cable to prevent windows from installing Nvidia driver, but you don't need to pull out the ethernet cable just go into options in DDU and at the very bottom you can select "prevent windows from installing driver" !!! I've always done it this way and it's never installed the driver.
should've ran without the OC software anyway, to see if it made any difference. Because then, you're troubleshooting the software to verify if the software is causing the issue
@JamieReynolds89 i thought about it. On paper the 5090 should be far superior but it really just seems like a 4090 that they shoved an extra 125 watts into.
@ My upgrades tend to center around that I play in 4k and in VR. But my 4090 is running both pretty well so until something happens that forces me to upgrade I'd rather buy new flight sim gear lol
Most AIB software has and will likely always be crap or run unnecessary processes in the background. Afterburner is great because MSI didn't create it. EVGA was the best one next to Afterburner... every launch I miss them more and more but man did they get out at the right time.
As someone who lives in Californian-adjacent conditions (East Coast Australia) I cannot imagine not only having a 575w GPU, but then over clocking it and running it during the summer. My 4090 already turns my study into a swampy biome at 440w, let alone this monstrosity.
Occasionally I forget the OC bios is on, and cook myself in my harry potter cave, sim racing under the stairs at 550w. I think with an OC 5090 in there the carpet on the stairs would be bubbling
You're lucky that hundred shot of Mhz didn't blow the welds on the intake! Now, Nick and the mad scientist (Phil) got to rip apart the block... and replace the piston rings you fried.
Between the over inflated prices, the shortages, the power demands and gargantuan sizes....This is all getting too stupid to upgrade a video card. Fuck this. Praying for the day integrated graphics on processors get good enough to leave this nonsense in the bins of history
For anyone following this that has wireless: Instead of quickly trying to disconnect, go into your settings (prior to safe mode reboot) and “forget” any networks you could connect to.
depends on how you determine the best. if you mean just straight performance the 4090 will win, but if you want price to performance the 7900xtx is going to win every time rn. especially if you can get a good deal on one which is completely possible
Sliders have been basically placebo for several generations. You can't damage a card by maxing out software sliders. Cards are locked both by firmware and electrically
@Ktmzqw they have protections, but they definitely can allow an imperfect chip to get into unstable ranges, and they have software fuses that prevent repeat abuse until you reset them
I found this odd too. could have swore there was a time he'd never do this just because it can mess up the card. but maybe something changed that i'm unaware of.
I usually run Firestrike windowed and chicken clock it first to find where it's likely to crash, then i'll switch to smaller clock and voltage increments to get the sweet spot. I think the first card I OC'ed didn't give a shit and took me 3 hours to slowly walk the clock up. Never again 😅
The software is not an issue! 50 series cards are built on shitty 50 amps drmoses. That shit may short or burn a hole in pcb. The increased power consumption and no boost could be caused by failed drmos as they are fed from 12V psu line. Core is not receiveng full power but shorted component will pull more current from powersupply. Gaming on it is not a good choice. Open it up and measure resistance on 12V shunts if it is close to short it is fried!
I think one of the biggest "flops", is them not coming up with some more powerfull cable solution for such high TDP , and leave some room for overclocking etc .
@@nullvoid3990 Yeah i remeber that one, but then people would need PSU with x2 12vhpwr connectors too . Myb just keep x1 12vhpwr, and add x1 or x2 8pin even tho x1 would be fine, everyone has a psu with extra x2 or x3 8 pins, while having 12vhpwr connected . With my MSI 1000W for x3 8 pin gpu for example, you use this cable that goes into 12vhpwr connector in psu, but split into x2 8pins at the end, and you add x1 8pin , and thats whats recommended by MSI for x3 8pin gpus .Im not sure whats the rating for that 12vhpwr cable that they include that splits into x2 8pins, but regular 8pin is usually around 175w+, and you have an extra 50/60 from pcie on mbo . So x1 12vhpwr , x1 8pin - 600w+175w+60w ( pcie slot ) = 735w , with a possible chance of another 175w, if they were to add x2 8pins .
On a $2000+ GPU, I'm glad we have all these test mules out there. Having the privilege of being an early adopter of new tech is not always a good thing.
05:05 Because Jay Broke It!, You went for a record not an all day over-clock...User Error. AND: Thankyou Jay now we know the general Zotac 5090 silicon limit. Peace ☮☮🤔
FYI, Safe Mode does still exist. You have to reboot into Advanced Startup, and there are “Startup Options” available. It’s stupid and a pain compared to how you could do it before, but it’s still there
ATTENTION JAY: Maybe not just with the 5090! I have a 4090 Zotac and just yesterday I was in a rally and a few other games noticed that my FPS went from 90 to 45 FPS. Thought it might have been a issue with the FPS counter but you have confirmed that it most likey isn't.
As someone who has owned 3 Zotac GPUs over the years, I have never known their software to NOT be junk honestly 😆 Can't even get their RGB or fan control to work stably half the time, forget OC! Even worse, their firmware actively fights useful software even if it loads. I recall wanting to choke someone trying get my fan curve to work and not go haywire using MSI Afterburner with my Zotac 3080. I read that it was something to do with their "silent fan" mode not playing well with others. The only way it would behave is to set the min on the fan curve ABOVE the cut on speed of the silent mode so it could never enter the problem zone... Installed Firestorm trying to get a better result and it didn't work in their own software either lol! Wouldn't count on Zotac to get their act together to be honest.
You can reboot to safe mode in Windows 11, you press the restart button in the windows bar whilst holding shift, it'll then shut down, start back up to POST screen and then take you to the advance boot and repair options, then you can go through the sub-menu's until you get to reboot in safe mode options with network on or off etc.
I'm having the same issues with my 5080 Zotac. I isolated the issue to drivers for my onboard 9800X3D video drivers. I disabled the integrated graphics and problems went away.
Jay, try installing the Nvidia App and use the built in overclocking utility to see if THAT works. I don't think you can manually increase clock speeds, but you can at least increase power and voltage sliders to see if you're still crashing. Can also try the Auto tuner built into the App.
hadn't used their new software before. Played with a pals 3060, we tried the auto tuner, took 40 mins to find an unstable OC. Did give us a good idea of where the limits were if he tries Afterburner though. They are getting there at least, Adrenalin is still miles better...for now.
I love the sweater. I used to skateboard all the time I actually met all the pros who skated for volcom there were on tour promoting their new skate video called let’s live. It’s old as 💩 now but it was still a great time. I still have the poster they all signed for me.
Companies know all they have to do is hype any product and people will flock to get it, whether it's ready or not. They say good things come to those who wait.
Terrible software, same as ASUS, same as Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock and basically everyone else. Maybe those haven't resulted in stuff this bad, but it is all garbage quality nonetheless. I've said for a long time that I'd love to see an attempt at an investigation into why all these multi-billion dollars Taiwanese companies can't write even remotely competent software to go along with their often pretty decent quality hardware.
"i over clocked my GPU and something went wrong" why are people still overclocking their GPU's in 2025? you don't gain that much more performance. all you need is your game to push a solid 240HZ on Low/medium settings for any comp game and your good. and the 3090 even 4090 can do that i believe. if i get a 5090 and 9800X3D ill NEVER OC them at all. ive seen so many issues such as "my GPU cable fried" and then you ask them what they did and most often they have some sort of OC going on and it's like "well that's why, you OC'd it"
"why are people still overclocking in 2025?" Mostly for FUN. Can help some games too, ACC race starts with Curve Optimizer, PBO, Tuned RAM will add 20% fps GPU OC/UV +15% PWR keeps clocks more steady and minimum/maximum fps much closer together. "Less Spiky" Otherwise cards boosts, gets hot, throttles a little, cools, boosts gets hot etc repeat.
05:00 JAY WENT FOR THE RECORD. Now its Broken. User ERROR. Peace! SIDE NOTE: Memory may be babkas. As a little more on memory may have been the case originally... When breaking the card cause U WENT FOR THE RECORD JAY!!!!.... ❤🔥❤🔥🤔🤔
I don't think this issue is Firestorm specifically, but any of these OC software (including Afterburner) that have voltage monitoring and control enabled. There has been a huge problem of 5080s (from all vendors) getting stuck at 1900MHz and people could not consistently get it boosting again. The fact you crashed and then started to not boost properly as soon as you touched the voltage makes me think it's the same issue for 5090s. It's just not as widely reported because there are significantly more 5080s out there. But recently someone figured out that it was related to the voltage settings. MSI Afterburner has 3 voltage related settings, and all 3 need to be disabled to fix this. These users would get the same problem with other software like Firestorm as well, but I'm not sure if Firestorm has settings to disable voltage monitoring and control. Also, in order to "wake up" the card these people also had to switch between quiet and OC bios once or twice and also reboot. So anyone having trouble with their 50 series not boosting properly should disable voltage monitoring and control settings in their OC software and see if it helps. And if your card has dual bios, that might get it out of its funk. p.s. Afterburner 4.6.6 beta 5 was just released and has 50 series support
I would wait on updating even if they all of a sudden release a update. Check the forums and community response for such updates before you decide to update.
@ Both. why not. If your gonna update because someone says to then you run the risk of causing major problems especially if its for a bios that can brick your mobo if your comp crashes. My advice is just to wait till at least the end of February. If your PC/laptop is running fine now just wait TRUST ME. If its OS specific then well you can always do a complete ssd back up and restore if something doesn't add up and starts acting weird. With a BIOS you cant really do that as its embedded into a chip/
@@johnniewalker33 no the 14th gen intel under volt and do permanent damage to the cpu. So i think the update is required as to not degrade your computer.
from my experience major company discord channels are a hoax. not really there for anything except a place to localize the rage. a few exceptions exist, but still.
I bought a white zotac 4080 super the day it launched and although their own software is kinda weird ive never had a issue with it. I know a lot of people dont like zotac as a brand but ive now had 4 different gen zotac cards and not had an issue. Lucky for me i guess???? But imo i love the looks of the zotac cards
Constructive criticism: Try to repro this problem on a separate test bench. Windows seems to be very easy to corrupt lately, which causes tons of GPU instability, if the driver crashes. I ran into this a lot with a recent build. A fresh install of Windows can seriously make all the difference if some core windows components that the drivers rely on have been corrupted.
Using Windows 11 if you hold Shift+Left click on "Restart" when it boots to Windows it's going to give you startup options. From there you can select Advanced and it will restart again and Windows will boot to a menu screen that gives you different startup options e.g. Safe mode w/wo Networking and other options.
Jay make sure to download MSI afterburner 4.6.6 build 5. I was having the same issue with the 5090. Build 3 caused it no to start. It would do the same thing
I am glad that I am not materialistic or the gotta have the latest and greatest stuff instantly. I am happy and will be so with my RTX 4090 for ages to come.
For this particular card i think someone coded the software very wrong and released it because they were trying to get it done because of Chinese new year.
Maybe one of the capacitors near the die is bunk. That would reduce signal clarity going into the chip. That would lead to stability issues the higher the clock speed goes
I had an absolute blast last night with my 5090. We played so many VR titles and more, finished up the night with a great dinner… then I woke up from the dream.
Buying a GPU used to be fun. Now its a nightmare.
@@DefiantAML and you have to sell your car to afford it. For the cost of a 5090 you could've made an amazing system a few years ago.
@@DefiantAMLbuying a GPU hasnt been fun since at least 2018
@@kingeryck1 still can, you just won't be able to play the unoptimized UE5 dumpster fires at ultra settings, but that's ok, a lot of them look terrible at any setting
My 5090 never crashes because it hasn’t been born yet
Yea, I'm still waiting for Nvidia to release the card. Doesn't seem to have happened yet.
Hahaha you're a comical genius.. had to say it from shark tale. Lol
Mine too!
05:05 Because Jay Broke It!, You went for a record not an all day over-clock...User Error.
AND: Thankyou Jay now we know the general Zotac 5090 silicon limit. Peace ☮☮🤔
My 5090 crashed. Damn UPS driver.
I've only seen the 5090 on RUclips and never in stores.
welcome to everyones eyeball experience
@@AngryChineseWoman send me one
Because it just came out and the only store that carries the 5090 is Micro Center lol
@@windowwasherfpv3485 we don't have Micro Center in the EU
I think 90% of stock went to “reviewers” 🙄
I’m sure both people who were able to get a 5090 will appreciate this.
nah those ppl are selling them for 200% markup, the ppl who buy scalped ones and can't get refunds will reluctantly appreciate this
@@enbydeadly 😭🤣😅okay, okay, I'm gonna say it,...
Good luck with that 😆
My friend has his being delivered by best buy tomorrow. And my other friend got his 5080 today.
Who’s both? Not me lol scapler listing on my market place in my area said I got a notification he sold it for over $3k someone was desperate enough to buy it for $3k or more!!!!
@@jshennessy pathetic... imagine buying a scalped gpu when it launches...
Jensen didn't lie during announcement, the 4090 was indeed a great investment LOL
For few more years. If 60`s would be like that as well...4090 may become new 1080ti.
True, it’s good for the people who wants to upgrade from 30 series
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907does your 4090 have coil whine?
i dont know avout that investment.. i had sevetal 4090's that burned, fires happened, and just simple doa or just dies randomly.. a lot of money went into the 4090's either off the shelf and prebuilts.
@@av1155G Mine does. I don't think I have ever had a modern gpu NOT have some form of coil whine.
I wish the 5090s out there were actually used to spot any issues with them. Sadly, almost all of them are sitting at a scalpers' garage somewhere.
Not true at all, don't be ignorant. They're being sold, not sitting there. The majority of the GPU's are sold to gamers, scalpers are a large but still minority percentage compared to gamers lining up to buy when stock alerts hit.
The issue is a terribly low supply. Not "scalpers". Scalpers only show up when there's incredibly low supply to exploit the market condition of extreme scarcity. If there were NO scalpers, you probably still would not have a GPU as all the other gamers would've bought it in seconds and sold out just as quick.
If so many scalpers had the GPU'S like you claim, than the price per GPU would crash to retail price and there would be zero incentive to scalp since they couldn't be sold.
@DrDoinks I didn't mean for my comment to come off as ignoring the actual shortage if the cards. In hindsight, I should have put that the low stock that's available is mostly sitting in the hands of scalpers. I get why you still think I'm ignorant and I believe both things are true.
@@DrDoinksa lot of words to say nothing
@@ThePoushal Yeah, except you've just said nothing to counter my point. But you won't do that, because you're just butthurt but don't have any facts behind why you are
All 260 of them.
Nvidia doing a trial run of 5090, fuck it, we will do it live.
4.5k CAD GPU with bricking issue.... very nice marketing from Nvidia.
nvidia wants to be apple but this proves once again that they never will be. but consumers need to stop paying for this broken junk for 2k..
@@iHadWaterForDinner Well they ARE the apple. All the work is done on nvidia cards, and best everyone has to offer is emulation of CUDA (the thing that made nvidia a monopoly just as professional editing software made apple a monopoly when they were still using intel CPU`s).
Ill definitely be adding the instore replacement warranty for this one
this has nothing to do with nvidia lol. if you watched the video he said the founder's card are fine and works.
@@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 haters gonna hate, and anything that fits their agenda is an argument, regardless how ridiculous
9:40 hold the shift key and click restart. Continue to hold shift until the troubleshooting boot menu shows up. It’s in the advanced menu.
Heres an even better idea: how about, we forget this generation of card exists??? :D the more we skip, the more we save!
But where will these channels get their *"***CONTENT*"***
We, or you?
I would've bought a 5090 given the opportunity since launch.... but honestly I think I'm good by now. We wait for a 5080 ti to "save" money
@@Methos_ 5080 Ti for Valorant & Rainbow Six
Guess getting the 7900 xtx recently wasn’t such a bad idea. At least it’s functional….
I have loved mine. It is a MONSTER in pure raster performance.
Yeah, I’m really glad I got the XT version for like $200 off
Picked up a Merc 310 xtx with a 2 year warranty for only 950😂
Got mine for 700 usd. I'm very happy with it
mine showed up yesterday. only paid $400. now i get to turn around and sell my 6900xt for between $500-$550. admittedly though I got lucky. it was an untested card from ebay being sold as "for parts" if i remember correctly. only thing wrong with it is a cracked fan (none of the blades were effected) and the cooler on the end furthest from the connections is bent a bit. all the warranty stickers are still in place. only thing i had to do was bend the mounting bracket back in place a bit.
Good thing noone actually sells it huh
They do if you wanna pay that fee😂
I didn't have an issue getting a 5090/9800x3d prebuilt from Origin.
@@RAM_C5The markups on prebuilts is almost as much as the scalpers. Nothing against prebuilts, but that’s why people who want to upgrade an existing machine don’t buy them.
@NOISYBOY0706 I comped everything afterwords and markup was close to 300$. Shipping was free also....
I'm sure I could wait however many months to hopefully get lucky and get a 9800X3D or 5090, but I'll have mine later this month - fully tested and no headaches for an extra 300.
@@RAM_C5 dont buy origin stuff.
Step 1) design a new power connector
Step 2) have horrendous problems with said power connector and release a revision
Step 3) release new cards that exceed the specifications that you, yourself, set
Step 4) $$$
Pretty good sumarry
I think it's more the fault of AIB partners pushing harder than NVIDIA FE cards.
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 yes. people who design the software are indeed the over clockers and as such push it with variable software and Motherboard bios/ Its only when realize this that you wait before you buy and let everyone else beta test that shit.
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3 which wouldnt be an issue if nvidia didnt push 575 watts through a 600 watts rated cable without account for transient spikes. it is a bad idea and problems will continue until they go back to 8 pin power.
9:28 Umm, no they haven't? Run msconfig, go to the Boot tab and click Safe Boot. Yes, they should still have a hotkey to do it pre-boot, but the ability to reboot in Safe Mode has most certainly not been removed.
hold shift while restarting.
I had to double check this myself. I was wondering if they removed it in a recent Windows update or something.
Or you can go into the recovery option in settings/system/recovery/advance startup.
Yeah Jay says some wild things sometimes. You can also still just use the cmd prompt to get to the advanced boot options using, "SHUTDOWN /R /O".
Use "SHUTDOWN /?" to see descriptions of all the available flags.
Stock and price issues aside. This generation is beyond bad.
Idk about bad. But an underwhelming disappointment...yes.
@@nengyang1895its only good for 4k because of multi frame generation but thats about it
Mismanaged launch and mismanaged software releases. I would wait till like the middle of the year or longer before buying a new 5090 card. Just wait and let everyone else be the "beta" tester.
its borderline iphone standards
There’s Bigfoot and 5090’s, what’s the difference?
You have more chance of seeing Bigfoot!
Heard that Nvidia is burning their 5090 with their drivers - nice tactics, scarce GPUs are gonna be even more scarce
Saw that also while i was in work and i must a bit laugh cuz bruhh that expensive gpus Like 5090 and right after driver instal gpu goes into móde o dont exist anymore so yeah funny shit so far but we beard just about two burned psus and just one new 13 pin burned out so i guess we have to prepare for some shit coming
@@mirainikki6665 not sure if I should even DDU and install mine now or just throw it on there with my current drivers… or just wait entirely.
A 5090 has far less power density than a 5080, if any of them are going to pop it's going to be the 80 series
yeah theres alot of freezes and crashes for me with my 5090, the multi frame gen is alot better than i thought it would be
@@hismena1276 on the latest drivers ?
7:43
That edit is flipping EPIC! Give this man a raise 😂🤣
The fast and furious edit 😂
Pro tip jay in the setting of DDU There is a option you can enable for it to block windows update from installing gpu drivers
lol.... he knows this. i think he actually has a video on that
Possibly, but idk because why unplug ethernet, etc, when you just hit a check mark box instead
Jay you have mentioned twice now about DDU and unplugging the ethernet cable to prevent windows from installing Nvidia driver, but you don't need to pull out the ethernet cable just go into options in DDU and at the very bottom you can select "prevent windows from installing driver" !!! I've always done it this way and it's never installed the driver.
Seems like most RTX 5090's in existence right now are in the hands of RUclipsrs and tech influencers, not stores or actual customers
Thank god for that, so no real people have to deal with this piece of overpriced garbage.
should've ran without the OC software anyway, to see if it made any difference. Because then, you're troubleshooting the software to verify if the software is causing the issue
Makes me happy I"m good with my 4090 for a couple more years.
Yeah you are really okay with that GPU for even 4 years at this point
@@walalon8719 I know. People upgrading every generaiton when they don't even need to are so weird.
@JamieReynolds89 i thought about it. On paper the 5090 should be far superior but it really just seems like a 4090 that they shoved an extra 125 watts into.
@ My upgrades tend to center around that I play in 4k and in VR. But my 4090 is running both pretty well so until something happens that forces me to upgrade I'd rather buy new flight sim gear lol
@kendil22 ya thats why i upgraded from the 3080ti(which is basically the 3090) to the 4090 too; vr.
2000$+ and you still get bad software? Interesting
2?right now,you can buy 5090,for over 4k maybe,maybe if you lucky,and have right connections with people
Most AIB software has and will likely always be crap or run unnecessary processes in the background. Afterburner is great because MSI didn't create it.
EVGA was the best one next to Afterburner... every launch I miss them more and more but man did they get out at the right time.
The more and more I see 600W+ on these cards the more I realize EVGA was right in putting 2 of them of the 3090TI
They had 2 on the planned 4090 that never got released.
@@DoomGuy9001-MK4 EVGA pulled out and didnt make a new baby. SMART SMART SMART.
Wouldn't capping the wattage to 600 watts result in only a 2-3 fps loss?
My 5090 caught fire the second I turned my PC on. I guess it's what happens when you plug a 12VHPWR cable to a piece of paper.
hopefully ebay gets you your money back off them A4 scalpers!!!
@ I drew it myself, but I had a hard time finding crayons that had the right colors and tasted good
As someone who lives in Californian-adjacent conditions (East Coast Australia) I cannot imagine not only having a 575w GPU, but then over clocking it and running it during the summer. My 4090 already turns my study into a swampy biome at 440w, let alone this monstrosity.
my 7900xtx in sa is hot enoguh and thats bios capped at 550w LOL
Occasionally I forget the OC bios is on, and cook myself in my harry potter cave, sim racing under the stairs at 550w. I think with an OC 5090 in there the carpet on the stairs would be bubbling
You used to pay for quality; now you pay for being first.
Well about that...RTX Titan/2080Ti and buyers regret.
Pay to win: Hardware edition.
@@garystinten9339 Nah, people with 5090's still get wasted by me in CS:GO, they just lose at 800 FPS now.
@@MuahMan They probably didn't have a good gaming chair then
You're lucky that hundred shot of Mhz didn't blow the welds on the intake!
Now, Nick and the mad scientist (Phil) got to rip apart the block... and replace the piston rings you fried.
Between the over inflated prices, the shortages, the power demands and gargantuan sizes....This is all getting too stupid to upgrade a video card. Fuck this. Praying for the day integrated graphics on processors get good enough to leave this nonsense in the bins of history
Integrated will never be better than a separate card. Agreed about the price, power and availability being ridiculous though.
They can already give you performance of entry level GPU (Ryzen 8000G`s). Something like a 3050.
@pacmon5285 idk man amd seems to be taking a liking to that route, one of their new apus can beat out a 4070
and the hardware faults and power delivery spec frying everything and and and, i went amd and intel, no stockouts LOL
'Strix Halo' APU
16 cores, 32 threads of Zen 5+
40 CUs of RDNA 3.5 GPU
120w TDP.
Not sure it can go on AM5 but a mini-pc with it would be a start.
For anyone following this that has wireless:
Instead of quickly trying to disconnect, go into your settings (prior to safe mode reboot) and “forget” any networks you could connect to.
Better, use the DDU setting that disables Windows auto GPU driver install when uninstalling the old one.
YES
I would like to thank all the early adopters for beta testing the first run of 5090s.
*I loved the OG "The Fast and the Furious" NOS scene!!* 😆
You know what else is a hot mess ? My bank account
To be messy, a room needs to have something in it.
Heyy do we have the same bank account?
Theres a new AB beta (5) that was released a week ago for the 50 series on guru. You downloaded the old one.
Makes me wonder what the best card actually is these days since it seems like the new ones are worse than the old ones.
4090is th3 best card rn
That's why I ain't selling my white 4090 card 😂
4090, without a doubt, when you overclock even a FE model the 5090 then only has about 20-25% over it.
depends on how you determine the best. if you mean just straight performance the 4090 will win, but if you want price to performance the 7900xtx is going to win every time rn. especially if you can get a good deal on one which is completely possible
7900XTX $839 on New Egg.
What’s a 5090? All the stories about them are like stories about unicorns and griffins and pixies.
zotac has been and always will be the lowest quality cheapest trash. think of them as the Chrysler/Dodge/Stellantis of GPU's
lol the 5090 sure is the size of a 300
5090 Buyers are the losers & not the winners? Thousands of dollars & it doesnt run correctly? Oh my....
man he literally said at begining its a late enginering sample, not a card for customers ,,who knows what they were doing on that card
Jay's overclocking strategy is wild. Benchmark is running: let's just slide this ALL THE WAY UP. No F's were given, and finding out was inevitable.
Sliders have been basically placebo for several generations. You can't damage a card by maxing out software sliders. Cards are locked both by firmware and electrically
@Ktmzqw they have protections, but they definitely can allow an imperfect chip to get into unstable ranges, and they have software fuses that prevent repeat abuse until you reset them
I found this odd too. could have swore there was a time he'd never do this just because it can mess up the card. but maybe something changed that i'm unaware of.
I usually run Firestrike windowed and chicken clock it first to find where it's likely to crash, then i'll switch to smaller clock and voltage increments to get the sweet spot. I think the first card I OC'ed didn't give a shit and took me 3 hours to slowly walk the clock up. Never again 😅
Thanks for making me look smart for running a 7900xt!
The software is not an issue! 50 series cards are built on shitty 50 amps drmoses. That shit may short or burn a hole in pcb. The increased power consumption and no boost could be caused by failed drmos as they are fed from 12V psu line. Core is not receiveng full power but shorted component will pull more current from powersupply. Gaming on it is not a good choice. Open it up and measure resistance on 12V shunts if it is close to short it is fried!
This will be useful for the one other tech review that has a 5090, but still nice that you posted a fix for them.
Supposedly MSI Afterburner 4.6.6 Beta 5 Build 16555 has 50 series support as of yesterday.
I can verify this, I am running personally to overclock my Palit GameRock 5080
OC my 5080 with it. It is still glitchy and has weird issues where it doesnt say that it’s saved the OC but does and has the slider at 0.
3:34 reminds me of the "predator frostcore, predator drivecore" meme from years ago lol
loved the Fast and Furious edits, they were top tier !
I think one of the biggest "flops", is them not coming up with some more powerfull cable solution for such high TDP , and leave some room for overclocking etc .
That's why Austral card is a nonsense for 5090 😆
there was a 4090 hof with two connectors i think evga also had twin 12vhpwr connectors
@@nullvoid3990 Yeah i remeber that one, but then people would need PSU with x2 12vhpwr connectors too . Myb just keep x1 12vhpwr, and add x1 or x2 8pin even tho x1 would be fine, everyone has a psu with extra x2 or x3 8 pins, while having 12vhpwr connected . With my MSI 1000W for x3 8 pin gpu for example, you use this cable that goes into 12vhpwr connector in psu, but split into x2 8pins at the end, and you add x1 8pin , and thats whats recommended by MSI for x3 8pin gpus .Im not sure whats the rating for that 12vhpwr cable that they include that splits into x2 8pins, but regular 8pin is usually around 175w+, and you have an extra 50/60 from pcie on mbo . So x1 12vhpwr , x1 8pin - 600w+175w+60w ( pcie slot ) = 735w , with a possible chance of another 175w, if they were to add x2 8pins .
7:47 - The 5090 granny shifting, not double-clutching like it should
On a $2000+ GPU, I'm glad we have all these test mules out there. Having the privilege of being an early adopter of new tech is not always a good thing.
1) Set the card to run at PCIE Gen 4
2) Look at the card and check any damage along the PCIE connector.
3) Check thermal paste and pads
05:05 Because Jay Broke It!, You went for a record not an all day over-clock...User Error.
AND: Thankyou Jay now we know the general Zotac 5090 silicon limit. Peace ☮☮🤔
11:40 veery helpful comment. i had no clue that could happen
You guys are doing us a great service on reviewing these damn 5090s.
FYI, Safe Mode does still exist. You have to reboot into Advanced Startup, and there are “Startup Options” available. It’s stupid and a pain compared to how you could do it before, but it’s still there
ATTENTION JAY: Maybe not just with the 5090! I have a 4090 Zotac and just yesterday I was in a rally and a few other games noticed that my FPS went from 90 to 45 FPS. Thought it might have been a issue with the FPS counter but you have confirmed that it most likey isn't.
As someone who has owned 3 Zotac GPUs over the years, I have never known their software to NOT be junk honestly 😆 Can't even get their RGB or fan control to work stably half the time, forget OC! Even worse, their firmware actively fights useful software even if it loads. I recall wanting to choke someone trying get my fan curve to work and not go haywire using MSI Afterburner with my Zotac 3080. I read that it was something to do with their "silent fan" mode not playing well with others.
The only way it would behave is to set the min on the fan curve ABOVE the cut on speed of the silent mode so it could never enter the problem zone... Installed Firestorm trying to get a better result and it didn't work in their own software either lol! Wouldn't count on Zotac to get their act together to be honest.
You can reboot to safe mode in Windows 11, you press the restart button in the windows bar whilst holding shift, it'll then shut down, start back up to POST screen and then take you to the advance boot and repair options, then you can go through the sub-menu's until you get to reboot in safe mode options with network on or off etc.
So basically Nvidia is telling everyone to buy an AMD GPU this year.
I'm having the same issues with my 5080 Zotac. I isolated the issue to drivers for my onboard 9800X3D video drivers. I disabled the integrated graphics and problems went away.
Thanks for the comment and letting people know your experience. I've yet to bump into this issue but knowing this might just help.
i didn't even realize it had integrated graphics. i feel like thats new. usually they don't add integrated to the X version of their cpus
Going to give this a go thought I’d already disabled it. I have msi gaming trio 5080 and just keeps dropping the over clock
@@jamestaylor9887started with 7000 chips, 2 or 3 CU's on the IO Die. Thats why we now have 7500F meaning no on board graphics ✌️
How do you disable the integrated drivers?
Jay, try installing the Nvidia App and use the built in overclocking utility to see if THAT works. I don't think you can manually increase clock speeds, but you can at least increase power and voltage sliders to see if you're still crashing. Can also try the Auto tuner built into the App.
hadn't used their new software before. Played with a pals 3060, we tried the auto tuner, took 40 mins to find an unstable OC. Did give us a good idea of where the limits were if he tries Afterburner though. They are getting there at least, Adrenalin is still miles better...for now.
Software issues, Microsoft, "Spill my beer"
3:44 Afterburner Beta (4.6.6) actually just dropped this week with RTX 5000, Ryzen 9000, and Smooth Motion support
Hold down the shift button when you press restart to get into safe mode and other launch options.
I love the sweater. I used to skateboard all the time I actually met all the pros who skated for volcom there were on tour promoting their new skate video called let’s live. It’s old as 💩 now but it was still a great time. I still have the poster they all signed for me.
I have only seen the 5090 and 5080 in scalper ads... I'm beginning to think all 2 dozen of the cards NVIDIA made were shipped directly to scalpers.
Companies know all they have to do is hype any product and people will flock to get it, whether it's ready or not. They say good things come to those who wait.
Terrible software, same as ASUS, same as Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock and basically everyone else. Maybe those haven't resulted in stuff this bad, but it is all garbage quality nonetheless. I've said for a long time that I'd love to see an attempt at an investigation into why all these multi-billion dollars Taiwanese companies can't write even remotely competent software to go along with their often pretty decent quality hardware.
"i over clocked my GPU and something went wrong" why are people still overclocking their GPU's in 2025? you don't gain that much more performance. all you need is your game to push a solid 240HZ on Low/medium settings for any comp game and your good. and the 3090 even 4090 can do that i believe.
if i get a 5090 and 9800X3D ill NEVER OC them at all. ive seen so many issues such as "my GPU cable fried" and then you ask them what they did and most often they have some sort of OC going on and it's like "well that's why, you OC'd it"
"why are people still overclocking in 2025?"
Mostly for FUN. Can help some games too, ACC race starts with Curve Optimizer, PBO, Tuned RAM will add 20% fps
GPU OC/UV +15% PWR keeps clocks more steady and minimum/maximum fps much closer together. "Less Spiky"
Otherwise cards boosts, gets hot, throttles a little, cools, boosts gets hot etc repeat.
The 5080 cards gain like 10-20% from overclocking, its kind of insane
Steve is gonna have a hay day with that Unigen benchmark.
05:00 JAY WENT FOR THE RECORD.
Now its Broken. User ERROR. Peace!
SIDE NOTE: Memory may be babkas. As a little more on memory may have been the case originally...
When breaking the card cause U WENT FOR THE RECORD JAY!!!!.... ❤🔥❤🔥🤔🤔
I don't think this issue is Firestorm specifically, but any of these OC software (including Afterburner) that have voltage monitoring and control enabled. There has been a huge problem of 5080s (from all vendors) getting stuck at 1900MHz and people could not consistently get it boosting again. The fact you crashed and then started to not boost properly as soon as you touched the voltage makes me think it's the same issue for 5090s. It's just not as widely reported because there are significantly more 5080s out there.
But recently someone figured out that it was related to the voltage settings. MSI Afterburner has 3 voltage related settings, and all 3 need to be disabled to fix this. These users would get the same problem with other software like Firestorm as well, but I'm not sure if Firestorm has settings to disable voltage monitoring and control.
Also, in order to "wake up" the card these people also had to switch between quiet and OC bios once or twice and also reboot.
So anyone having trouble with their 50 series not boosting properly should disable voltage monitoring and control settings in their OC software and see if it helps. And if your card has dual bios, that might get it out of its funk.
p.s. Afterburner 4.6.6 beta 5 was just released and has 50 series support
And going back on earlier information: How much time do SIs get to make, test and produce their final product?
Your videos always stand out from many others. Thank you for your talent and hard work!🎧🥊😈
That fast and furious made me die laughing. Also seeing it pull that much power is wild.
That fast and the furious meme was perfect.
I just ordered an Intel MSI motherboard. Glad to hear it hasn’t been updated for the last year. Lol
I would wait on updating even if they all of a sudden release a update. Check the forums and community response for such updates before you decide to update.
@ you mean for the cpu degradation ? Or bios updates
@ Both. why not. If your gonna update because someone says to then you run the risk of causing major problems especially if its for a bios that can brick your mobo if your comp crashes. My advice is just to wait till at least the end of February. If your PC/laptop is running fine now just wait TRUST ME. If its OS specific then well you can always do a complete ssd back up and restore if something doesn't add up and starts acting weird. With a BIOS you cant really do that as its embedded into a chip/
@@johnniewalker33 no the 14th gen intel under volt and do permanent damage to the cpu. So i think the update is required as to not degrade your computer.
@@WJdriver000 20 minutes later* why is my PC bricked??
Zotac isn’t exactly known for reliability.
So glad I chose a 7900XTX back in December!
MSI Afterburner 4.6.6 Beta 5 Build is out, supposed to support 5000 series
It doesnt add anything specific for 50 series with regards to GPU support. MSI still wont launch on this card.
Very unusual. Build 5 worked for me. Build 3 was causing the issue you had Jay. MSI afterburner would never start. MSI trio oc 5090
@@Lional50msi afterburner is trash anyway
@@AquaFasami definitely wouldn’t say that. It does the job and pretty much everyone in the community uses it. What would you say is better?
@@Lional50 Wait till Chinese New Year celebrations are over and hopefully they fix this issue.
FAF reference was gold.
The paul walker insert, chefs kiss
DDU is nice, AMDcleanuputility and igors vga device cleanup are my go to's.
uh... title?
Just like everything new, it will get better over time. Hopefully, by that time, these will be more available.
They call it Firestorm, but all I heard was Green Needle.
My 5090 has had 0 problems but maybe it will once it gets manufactured.
Maybe this is why NVIDIA hasn’t made stock for 5090 as they’re ironing issues with driver before mass production.
everyone is complaining about their garbage software. the worst is the zotac discord, the dude who runs it is completely worthless
from my experience major company discord channels are a hoax. not really there for anything except a place to localize the rage. a few exceptions exist, but still.
That's really good information. Now I know how to fix my card that I couldn't buy.
I bought a white zotac 4080 super the day it launched and although their own software is kinda weird ive never had a issue with it. I know a lot of people dont like zotac as a brand but ive now had 4 different gen zotac cards and not had an issue. Lucky for me i guess???? But imo i love the looks of the zotac cards
Constructive criticism:
Try to repro this problem on a separate test bench. Windows seems to be very easy to corrupt lately, which causes tons of GPU instability, if the driver crashes. I ran into this a lot with a recent build. A fresh install of Windows can seriously make all the difference if some core windows components that the drivers rely on have been corrupted.
Using Windows 11 if you hold Shift+Left click on "Restart" when it boots to Windows it's going to give you startup options. From there you can select Advanced and it will restart again and Windows will boot to a menu screen that gives you different startup options e.g. Safe mode w/wo Networking and other options.
It really is a shame that Jay isn't Canadian anymore!
Hold Shift while clicking on restart icon in windows. It will boot you into advanced startup where you can get into Safe Mode.
Jay make sure to download MSI afterburner 4.6.6 build 5. I was having the same issue with the 5090. Build 3 caused it no to start. It would do the same thing
I am glad that I am not materialistic or the gotta have the latest and greatest stuff instantly. I am happy and will be so with my RTX 4090 for ages to come.
It all makes sense now, this is the pre-alpha 5090 launch
For this particular card i think someone coded the software very wrong and released it because they were trying to get it done because of Chinese new year.
sometimes cleaning the pins on the gpu the actual pci with a light toothbrush and alcohol can help
My 4090 Strix is laughing with raw power
Maybe one of the capacitors near the die is bunk. That would reduce signal clarity going into the chip. That would lead to stability issues the higher the clock speed goes