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@A.L.Burley Yes, Mr. Winters’ understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶 The fact that he repeatedly asserts that "humans are animals" shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Naughty boy ED,you liar,soya is grown for the oil, which cows can't consume, it retails for over 1400 dollars a tonne, the soya bean meal ,which is the byproduct retails for a little over 600 dollars a tonne, so if you think logically you would grow it for the oil,also that almond milk you vegans are so fond of ,50% of the crop is consume by the cows in California, the husks and shells.
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As a non vegan who was once completely ignorant, I have now been vegan for a week and feel completely ready to make the move permanently thanks to your channel. Thanks Ed
I 100% agree. My parents, my aunt, my uncle, my grandma… basically everbody in my family is a farmer, so for me going vegan was a huge shook for them. They still and probably will never understand me, but I’m so proud of myself that I had the courage to go vegan… best decision ever
The Majority of the time the hardest part about being vegan is others presumptions and reactions. It gets easier over time especially when you know your doing it for a good reason.
Well done!!! I have farming background on both sides of my family but a bit more distant so my family were understanding, but that sounds tough! Maybe you'll find your family starts opening up more to veganism just by you changing your lifestyle - I've definitely found that with my family :)
I love how Ed talks to people. We need more vegans like this. There is too much yelling and condemning both meat-eaters and other vegans who aren’t “vegan enough.” It gets nowhere. We need to talk. Even if the opposite side is yelling, stay calm. Have a conversation, not an argument. Arguments don’t ever solve anything and all they do is get people pissed. Work together, not against each other.
I had been eating meat for many many years, I kept seeing your vegan debate videos pop up for some reason, thought "this is going to be cringe" and was floored by how great/amazing all the arguments that vegans use are. Now I don't necessarily believe that every Vegan is going to be inspired by the same stuff, but what I will say is that you absolutely were the first person that convinced me Veganism is right. I had known vegetarians and even a couple of Vegans but they never once brung up anything about morality or ethics and they just made it out to be a dietary choice... All I really want to say is thank you Ed :)
I’m really happy to hear that Bluejay & I appreciate your honesty. I want to discuss ethics and morality more when people ask me about my dietary choice but I still don’t know if I am as cool, calm and collected as Ed to speak in a way that doesn’t seem offensive, accusatory or condescending. Are you vegan now or working on transitioning to veganism?
It is really interesting that we consider our society today to be more moral than that of previous generations, while at the same time we torture and kill more animals than ever before. For example, if you look at just chickens, pigs and cows, all of which can experience pain and emotion, you come up with 60 billion deaths EVERY year. It's incredible to me how our society can live with this enourmos lie.
Life isn’t that good for humans either tbh, there are many more slaves now than there were in the 1700s. Pursuit of Western decadence is exploiting and destroying everything
It really is a cognitive dissonance. We would never kick or cut the head of cats and dogs but billion of land and marine animals are killed every year en masse.
Thank you Ed, for your thoughtful, articulate and insightful response...it is always such a delight to listen to you. I was raised on a farm and the points you made were spot on. I still carry the guilt...but am committed now to making the world a better place 🙏
I wholeheartedly believe that, in their true essence, animal farmers are generally good people but they’ve been on auto-pilot for so long that they’re unable to see it. Generational farming has blinded them to the truth and, when present with it, they freeze like a deer in headlights and proceed to become close minded due to the massive cognitive dissonance it entails.
@@OM617a have you ever seen an actual farmer in a range rover?? i live in an agricultural town and everyone is dirt fkn poor. farmers usually struggle just to get food on the table for their kids. i agree that most farmers are selfish, and what they do is wrong regardless, but youre kidding yourself if you think any substantial number of them do it just to pay for luxuries. most of the time farmers are getting f-d over by big corporations. most of the "farmers" driving range rovers are the ones who probably never set foot near an animal unless theyre filming a commercial- CEOs of Tyson, Smithfield, etc. Joe down the street who keeps a few hundred chickens is probably barely making enough to pay for his equipment.
Ideology is part of it, but farmers mainly want to make money profits. Its a business practice they have been doing all their lives and has become their way of life. Even if they see the light and agree with veganism, its a massive financial hurdle, ie. possible bankruptcy, to just stop it all immediately, unless they can get some financial and logistical assistance to change to vegan farming.
@@somedude172 Point well made, but I think it depends on one’s definition of “farmer”. We still use the word “Farmer” to refer to what I consider to be an Agri-businessman. There remains a traditional association of virtue and hardwork and earthy honesty with “farm” and “farmer” but the reality today is more likely “Pharm” and “Pharmer” or Agri-Business or Industrialized Food Production.
The animal science students the university I attend are designing a meat packing plant. I just imagine what people’s reactions would be if they called it what it really is…
@@attbr178 If nobody can stop you, then why are you here? Commenting on a vegan activist's platform just so you can feel superior doesn't help anyone-- especially when all vegans want to do is have a conversation with meateaters about why the practice is wrong. If you're dead set in your ways then spend your time elsewhere, it seems like a waste of time for you to sit here when you don't want to listen anyway.
Extremely well spoken Ed, you've hit the nail on the head. You do an amazing job of clearly and concisely articulating complex concepts through undeniable logical reasoning. I strongly believe these types of videos plant a big seed in the minds of those who are in denial of the truth. Love your work you absolute legend!
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Satan is said to be well spoken.... you can’t survive on vegan diet....all those that say they are have a foot in the grave and are secretly eating meat or pills...
Eugenia Barone you need to seriously look into what you falsely believe as you laugh at truth and uplift people telling others to eat food that their bodies can’t even digest🤮
@@lastlime3792 I'm open to having a logical and respectful conversation on this topic, however you came to me with absurd claims and haven't backed up those claims with evidence, logic or reasoning - that's why it's difficult for me to take you seriously when you say such things. If you are seeking to actually have a conversation on this topic, I suggest you backup your claims and approach the conversation with an open mind and in a respectful manner.
When I think of farming, I think of dirt and plants. Growing and tending to animals seems like a different action altogether. And it is not since I went vegan.
I'm at 2 1/2 (I went vegan for christmas), also mainly because of Ed's work. And I feel like he has so much more to give - he's become a true role model to me.
Absolutely love this video. I think that the majority of people do believe that they are good people-- and I'm even tempted to say that they are. I just believe that as a society, we are so disconnected with our food and how our decisions and morals reflect back on us when we choose to put that food in our mouths. A lot of us are going on autopilot because our subconscious just tells us "eat food so I can have energy to worry about the bigger things". It's really time to heal our connection with food and with nature, especially now for the people who have the options to go vegan, and especially when it is no longer for survival. I think that it's because of this disconnect on something so fundamental and basic that we are incapable of having the ability to solve the bigger and more complex problems in our world. Love the work you do so much, Ed!
There are levels to being good. Vegans are good. To the point where it is unnecessary. Farmers are just good. Humans> other animals. If you think otherwise, you're not using your brain. This comparison to cats and pigs is weak. If you're confused why people get angrier over cat abuse as opposed to pig abuse, again you're deliberately not using your brain.
@@Sal3600 we understand people are more attached to cats, but that’s simply because the cat was lucky and got chosen to be a domesticated, loved animal. The only difference between the cat and the pig is the perception that has been placed upon us by our societies. Pigs are just as loving, if not more. We know why people are more outraged about cats being abused, but the complete ignorance or apathy towards the horrific abuse of the farmed animals is very hypocritical. Not even a slight reaction to the suffering they are causing themselves by buying the animal products.
@@Sal3600 Is it really unnecessary though? At surface level, it’s just a bunch of people cutting animal products out of their diet. But under that surface, it’s not unnecessary but VITAL. We’re against the artificial insemination, the closed pens that the animals are stuck in, the animal testing in the makeup industry, the stealing of newly born animal babies, the torture that many people in the agricultural industry force on innocent animals such as debeaking, throwing into gas chambers, hitting, the ultimate decision for them to be bred only to be slit across the throat and bleeding right next to their own kind. If you can honestly stand there and say that these practices being condemned is unnecessary then you’re going through some serious cognitive dissonance. The comparison between a cat and a pig is not weak because if you actually thought about it, you’d realize that we have subconsciously placed arbitrary values on how a cat should be in the home and the pig should be on our plate. Either all of it is okay, and that would mean it is okay for cats to also be artificially inseminated, tortured, tested on, and bred only to be killed for their meat, or it is absolutely not okay in all circumstances.
Every time I watch one of your debates Ed you inspire me 😊 I’ve been vegan since April 2017 and have never had the intention to switch back to a near diet. Your continued videos and propaganda confirm I’m on the right path ♥️
We wrap ourselves in layers of ignorance about the animal exploitation industry. But just like unwrapping a present from a loved one, the gift of veganism is truly a beautiful thing. Thanks Ed!
Animal farmers and other people like horse riders or 4H participants are some of the most deeply indoctrinated for many of the reasons you said, and I would just add for a very egoic, deeply unconscious emotional addiction to the familial "love" and praise they get for doing these things, and that when you're deeply unconscious you fully believe that something you do is your identity so when someone suggests that it's wrong or to change, it on some level feels like your life is threatened. But really it's just your ego that is. And I say this as a person who rode horses for 10 years, went to college for equine science to become a professional horse breeder, and did a literal speech in my college speech class about how rodeo "isn't cruel". It was always my ego, my deep unconsciousness, and programming from my family and the toxic horse industry/community. And having control over horses was always to make up for my lack of power I had within myself from being abused. And why are these abusive family units and deep unconsciousness so prevalent in these communities? Because of what you mentioned, little access to other world views, all I can say is thank goodness for the internet and things like RUclips. Because these systems and lifestyles of oppression can only thrive in secrecy and with their victims cut off from knowledge about what's really going on.
That horses have to be "broken" to be ridden says all really, it's a form of stockholm syndrome almost. Broken slaves also don't run away. Glad you're out of that business though :).
Ed, of course I have been following you for several months after I myself became vegan rather than just a vegetarian. I would like to ask you what you think about the pet industry. As for myself, I worked in it for 6 months while attending art school. I found out a bit more than I was supposed to about the industry, so I had to quit on moral grounds. One of the things is the questionable supply chain from which exotic animals are from. Another issue I found was the type of food that is fed to animals in general, whether they are on farms or are being raised as pets. This food is not food at all, rather it is a waste product including road kill,, but primarily it is corn, at least in the USA. The meat is what they call 4D meat. You can fund out what that means. Okay, enough said, I think if you address this issue, it would make a fantastic video. Thanks.
Ed's is a brilliant and clear analysis of the factors that contribute to an attitude of denial. I think also a lot of people don't give much credence to the notion of progress in many areas of life. That is to say a traditional take on the culture you find yourself in feels more secure and less challenging than a progressive one.
I'm a new entrant farmer who grew up in an urban environment. I was nervous about keeping livestock initially, but was amazed at how natural it felt once I started. So I disagree with earthling ed. We don't just carry on farming livestock because it's how we've been raised. Livestock play an integral role in our food system, and there are many reasons our ancestors have always done it. The vegan movement is a very recent one, and has really come out of urbanisation and the industrialisation of our food system. Ed now has access to money and resources given his popularity. I would be much more inclined to listen to him if he led by example and built the vegan farm that he is dreaming of, instead of telling the community what they should be doing. I can assure you, it's a lot harder than it looks. At the end of the day, someone has to grow our food. So lead by example instead of telling people how morally corrupt you think they are.
It's a bit funny to me, to hear Ed say how much pressure is put on farmers, while being one-off many, who puts this pressure on them in that instant. A farmer, that was to watch this discussion would feel this tremendous pressure, that he seems to understand and empathize with. Also, I feel we must acknowledge, that, even though we think the current agricultural system is flawed, these people *are* still providers. They take on the role of providing food for lots of people everyday. I don't think a fruitful (haha!) discussion with farmers can be had, if we don't recognise that fact and respect it. Even, again, if we think a lot of things could and should be done better.
Yes, the disrespect from people who've never grown anything in their life or done anything but consume is really staggering. Thank you for addressing this.
Been watching Ed for about a year now. Hasn't convinced me that absolute veganism is the answer. Reduction in meat consumption yes, eating local yes, knowing what you eat yes, supporting high and sustainable standards yes.
What is your response towards Ed's standard argument against unnecessary violence/killing? A few more problems I see with your kind of position: -given the overbred farm animals there are today, a lot of suffering is inevitable regardless of how they're raised. Almost all egg laying hens are in pain from multiple bone fractures. Cows lose and mourn their young, and they live with deformed, uncomfortable udders that can burst from milk. -Even if we assume that some kind of animal farming can be ethical in principle, this would be very small scale and not something that can be expanded to everyone.
@@alexdings1725 An ethical argument that he dismisses or ignores is that he puts forward the idea that you shouldnt eat meat as the act of eating meat causes harm to an animal and there are other choices that cause no harm. However this misses the point entirely that farmed animals would not be alive if not for meat consumption and that they can live positive and happy lives up until their death. Who is to say that the farmed animals life is worthless? If we are weighing up the harm causes to an animal, why are we not weighing up the positive experiences of the animal too? Suffering matters but so does pleasure and happiness too. The act of eating meat, serves to create life too. I would argue it is necessary and worthy, according to the factors I define them to be. I would underline all this that ethical standards, localised production and consumption, organic practices and reducing overall consumption are critical factors that I personally see as an important part of meat eating. I eat meat occasionally. It probably forms part of a single meal on 4 out of every 7 days during a week for me. I think we all need to reduce our meat intake for environmental reasons. I also think people need to select local meat produced to the highest ethical standards. Other than that I have no issue with the principle of eating meat.
I would add that there are plenty of vegan foods which are widely consumed by vegans, e.g. avocados which are quite unsustainable generally, particularly as veganism rises. I would put much more emphasis on sustainable consumption more generally rather than just distinguishing between meat and non meat. It is too simplistic.
@@darcymr353 the answer to many of the issues which he highlights in terms of sustainable practices, being ethical, holding high moral standards. Absolute veganism is not necessary, reduction in meat consumption is however very important.
Did you know recent studies have shown that plants can feel and even have memories and can communicate with each other? I think mono cropping is disgusting. We should just not eat anything. On a serious level, mono cropping is a huge sector of agriculture and seems to be the only practical way to feed the world on a vegan diet. Mono cropping is extremely bad for the environment and harvesting crops kills thousands of small creatures like mice. How do we stop all suffering? How do we stop a hungry lion from killing a deer? The answer is we can’t and won’t. I’m open to useful discussion.
The SOLUTION to the meat problem is to have the government stop subsidising the meat industry. After they do that, the price of meat will go up and folk will eat vegan food. That will normalize veganism and the vegan lifestyle, and then vegans will more easily be able to take further steps. Don't tread on me. 💛🐍
That, plus put veganism into the education system. The sooner in life people become vegan, the better off they, the animals and the whole society will be. That's the best way to normalize veganism, by starting early.
@@gula_rata I disagree. Putting it into the school system is only going to reach out to a tiny audience. Everyone who didn't learn about it in school still won't know anything. Besides, 3% of the population will never influence the school system. Those who aren't vegan won't be on board with that. Lowering taxes is a solution that can get more popular support.
I’m sympathetic but I think that approach would alienate potential allies. I prefer shifting subsidies away from corporate welfare for concentrated animal feeding operations and towards people producing higher quality food (mostly plant based) so that more people would have access to affordable, higher quality, locally produced food. Meat should be more expensive and plant based foods more “normal” which actually would be a return to a more traditional diet. Meat and cheese are way too cheap and easy.
We must create surfaces for people to meet and discuss peacefuly, to organize our future. In every level we lack of the will and ability to communicate with all the members of -at least- our surrounding ambient. We must get used to the act of organizing, taking part actively in life, and not let hidden “evil forces” , or i can call them simply just sick people to decide on everyone’s lives. Like starting wars, exploiting the planet, ignoring climate change, making sure that we are busy fighting each other. We must take part, learn to communicate, learn to organize? and do the right things! Cmon people! Let’s unite instead of separate!!
My sister had a job working at a big egg farm when she was a teenager. She saw these chickens in awful conditions. Recently I was having a debate with her about animal cruelty and she asked me "how can we even be sure chickens can feel pain or suffering? Is there any proof of that?"
Ed's words and the comments from vegans here are revealing. They all seem to indicate a 'we know more than them' or 'if only they knew what we know' attitude. Ed, and others, need to remember that veganism doesn't make you more enlightened or smarter than others. Just because you feel strongly and have an emotional connection to it doesn't mean you're universally right. What you have is an alternative opinion. Don't mistake that for being better than others!
I think you are ignoring the fact that vegans have to do tons of research in order to change their lives. We _do_ actually know more about this stuff than the average person, certainly more than the average consumer of goods does.
@@tamcon72 true, but I wouldn't say that's the case for every vegan. And it's also the case that countless people have done their research on these matters and still choose to eat meat so, again, Ed's OPINION doesn't hold itself up as a universal position of authority. Also, it would be very naive to think that Ed doesn't get into any conversations with people who are actually well informed on these matters and can refute his position. In the end, though, he controls what goes up on his channel and I'm equally willing to bet he'd never let anyone see a conversation like this.
@@Mandolin_Matt I was in the vegan diet for a minute and got sucked into the hype and let my ego get the best of me. We are here today because our ancestors ate meat. Just because we have the option to eat foods from half way across the world doesn’t mean that is going to give us optimal health. Eating local and high quality foods that are in season is going to allow you to live your best life. Eating meat doesn’t make you an evil person! Granted the practices today are fucked but there are solutions like buying organic and local.
@@zachisdoingbreathwork8265 totally agree! The idea that we evolved to thrive on a whole foods plant based diet is ridiculous - it would have been impossible to get nearly enough variety to meet our nutritional needs until less than 100 years ago! Sure, I think we need to be responsible with meat consumption, too, supporting local, smaller-scale farmers and so on. But
Not really, most of the world relies on calories from whole plant foods as their staples, it's been the case since civilization existed. The only thing eurocentric these days is having animal foods encroach on more of our daily calories.
Why? Because some native people won't be able to not go vegan, the rest shouldn't either? Atm. we spend more than 80% of farmland on less than 20% of total consumed calories through animalhusbandry. In what world does this make sense. It would be a huge help overall when we eurocentric and muricacentric people go vegan.
@11235Aodh are you aware that the world doesn't revolve around people that think like you? That there are various cultures that consume meat, whether it be part of culture, tradition, rituals etc as well as for survival? Not just within "natives", but also for those who are integrated or are slowly integrating into western societies where veganism may seem like the beneficial option to those who are priveleged? Also people in parts of the world that this issue for them just isn't a priority, nor anywhere near a primary concern? I could go on and on and on...
FYI, I put "natives" in air quotes because what on earth do you mean? I think I know what you were trying to say, because in my experience, I've heard white people say it often.
Genuine Question from a farmer. How does a Vegan Farming system practically function? It’s no good just to say “oh vegan farming will only use a quarter of the land currently used for livestock etc” as true as that possibly might be. Where is that Land based? As its not going to be equally partitioned between country’s Russia, USA, Ukraine, Belarus all have vast ares of quality arable croplands Vs many smaller EU & African nations for example who it seems to me will be in very dangerous food security situations being totally reliant on larger nations & corporations for the food? What’s the vegan plan for crop fertilisation? How are you looking after soil health& fertility long term? For example there’s now more & more arable farmers bringing livestock back into there farming systems as a way of controlling weeds & winter growth Lessing the need for chemicals provided quality organic muck to maintain soil health. And another income stream from the livestock. Now I am certainly not claiming our current food system is perfect, damn far from it but blaming farmers for basically getting on with the job successive governments have asked of them for 100s of years all the while being fleeced out of thousands by greedy supermarkets & processors & Public population who are addicted to cheap food.
Everyone, including animal farmers, are capable of critical thinking and of educating themselves. Giving animal farmers a free pass is like saying the Nazi soldiers were "just obeying orders".
I don't think he's giving them a free pass as such, just trying to understand...and a surprising number of farmers are beginning to see things differently and making a switch to plant based agriculture...I understand what you're saying but I think shaming people in any area of life only leads to resistance and ultimately more division, whereas compassion and understanding fosters connection and conversation which are the first steps towards change
I understand what you’re saying and know that this probably wasn’t your intention, but I feel that comparing animal consumption to the Holocaust is not a good comparison and can be both offensive and misinformative.
@@violetkerridge4154 The scale of animal killing (billions each year) far surpasses human killing, and is an ongoing holocaust. You're basically saying human lives matter way more than animal lives.
@@erictorbet8104 No, what I’m saying is that the Holocaust is a personal human atrocity which humans are still effected by today. Therefore comparison of anything to the Holocaust can be incredibly painful for people to hear. There are better ways to get your point about scale across without causing people unnecessary pain.
@@violetkerridge4154 (and @Tammie), I'm not out to shame or hurt people's feelings, but rather to present the cold hard reality, without pussyfooting or tip-toe-ing around the issue. The Animal Holocaust has been going on so long that most humans no longer recognize the horror of it. Did you know that the expansion into the West (of U.S.) and the decimation of indigenous Americans was basically driven by the need for more land for cattle? Did you know the Amazon is being destroyed to make room for cattle? The very fate of the planet now depends on our recognizing the horror that is meat eating. Your desire to tip-toe around it is like the Repubicans not wanting to teach racism in the classroom because it will make the white children feel guilty. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth. It's not about shaming, it's about edification.
Hey Ed, thanks to you I've been vegan almost two years, and today at my high school lunch my now x friend snuck bacon into my vegan burger and didn't tell me until I ate it, now I feel really bad thinking about what that pig had to go through to now be in my stomach, I feel sick, do you have any advice?
Every vegan will slip up from time to time, it’s almost impossible to avoid with people being unclear about ingredients when you go out or apparently really crappy friends (sorry they did that to you). But you know you didn’t buy that bacon or intentionally eat it, you didn’t contribute towards their suffering and you have no reason to feel guilt for what was a complete mistake on your end.😊 all I can say is make sure that you never give that ‘friend’ the time of day anymore. 😂
Have a talk with your friend about boundaries. If your friend loves and respects you they wouldn't try to hurt you, and you need to state this plainly.
I think you raise an important point. Agribusiness is heavily subsidized. The public has the right to question who is being subsidized, how and why. It makes sense to subsidize food production, but those subsidies should be for public health and to keep production stabilized. How we accomplish that is really complicated.
Dogs are omnivores and can thrive on a plant-based diet. Cats are obligate carnivores. Feeding your companion animals what they can biologically process for energy does not mean you aren't vegan. It's about doing the best you can with your own choices _for yourself._
Vegans are people who avoid the products of animal exploitation whenever possible, so yes , if you're doing that then you're vegan. I would urge you to look further into vegan pet foods though. If their foods contain all of the nutrients that they need, your dogs and cats do not care if it came from an animal or not.
I come from a centuries long line of blacksmiths that had to change there way of making a living midway through the 20th century because the industry was being taken over by more modern ways of doing things, so my grandfather moved into car manufacturer. Farmers using the excuse "it's what we've always done" is a lame excuse, you can easily diversify into something else as my family did and we're still going strong 😀😀. Change has to happen, as it always has, some people just need 's nudge.
Pretty easy switch to be honest. What did he do for the months he didn't have any income ? Also he switched to something much more profitable and a to be multi billion dollar industry. Animal farming is already a multi billion dollar industry. Only area we can easily phase is plant agriculture which isn't that tough but will take a few months of reconstruction and renovation. Though in my country veggies are more expensive so it'll be selling at high price but very few veggies grow easily in my country.
I don’t think we ‘’had to eat ‘meat’ to survive’’ not while we was in Africa anyway, as there were vast rainforest forests, but imo, some left the forests, and ventured onto the grasslands and began to eat what they could find outside of their natural forest home. I don’t think it was need at all.
Well, for a lot of people in the past, the crops grown in their own regions wasn’t sufficient in nutrients so they resorted to animals. However, whether it was necessary then is not really of importance since the only thing that matters is that it is definitely not a necessity today. 😊
@@angycucumber4319 Tell that to a gorilla :P They eat leaves all day long. We share the same ancestors, obviously we went down a different path where eating cooked starchy foods became our main fuel source after we discovered fire. Of course we ate meat at somepoint no denying that, mostly during the ice age, when digging there was little flora around.
There are many different types of farmers. Small scale and large scale. Also, it's untrue that farmers are insular and isolated. A lot of them go to farmers markets every weekend and interact with their customers, and fellow farmers, etc. You don't know what happens in the lives of farmers. Stop acting like you know what happens in the lives of people you don't even know.
It's about protein combination: so grains and pulses will provide all the essential amino acids. There is plenty of info. on the internet - research is your friend. While you are there you might like look up and to watch a film called Dominion(2018) to help strengthen your resolve to be the best you you can be.
In my country I have only falafel option but not in my city, but I have my protein very well. Why you don't eat nuts and beans every day? Seitan is also amazing, watch how to make seitan and make cotlets.
Even meat eating body builders eat protein powders to get "high protein". It's impossible to undereat protein. The minimum is 26g per day. The recommended (with buffer included) is just 56g. Like you get that eating 2000 calories of anything. You might want 80g if you're a natural lifter. 200g if you're on steroids maybe. And then you need powders for that anyway. So just get a vegan protein powder if this is you.
I went to the Dr's for a bad back the other day, we got in to the point I was vegan because I haven't been vaccinated due to it being tested on animals and she took some bloods from me because she said she has "never seen a healthy vegan" I said to her "No, you just haven't ever met a smart vegan" that was over 2 weeks ago and I've not had a phonecall that I'm low in anything.
Veganism is eliminating the use of animals products as far as practically possible. Being vaccinated does not mean you are not vegan. All medication, at some point, has been tested on animals as required by law. Associating veganism with antivax sentiment is never going to help the cause.
Every medical product or implant has to have been tested on animals. While true that it isn't great, I've seen worse pet owners than poorly treated lab animals in my pharma research years. At least animal laboratories are regulated, checked, and have a vet on site. Any handling or facility clean-up requires certification.
Proscribing evilness to individual people is so immature in this situation. You are not willing to recognize that the problem is the system that insensitivizes and legitimizes these actions and that we have to change the system. If we convince these people not to be evil they will lose their job because they are bad at it and the next „evil“ people will rise to get the position.
We definitely need to stop all farming practices, those wheat fields and vegetable paddocks are very unnatural and also takes land away from the poor animals which need land to forage.
No matter how many safety measures we add to cars and roads, people still die in car crashes. Do you think then that it isn't worth trying to reduce the number of car accidents, because the number will never be 0?
Plant farming DOES NOT REQUIRE animals to die, UNLIKE animal farming. Vegan farming is a thing. When everybody agree animals don't deserve to be farmed, then surely society can make better system, with wild animals in mind, as part of consideration.
Ed even has empathy towards his Enemies. I think this is a really good approach, if you put yourself in the role of your enemy and think about what would make you change your mind. And what would make you push back from an idea
Do you ever think that framing your video thumbnails and titles as "vegan vs x-group" is a bit polarizing? I have noticed that in all your videos you are very calm and don't speak with resentment towards the other party. Therefore, don't titles such as the ones I mentioned earlier, create a false representation of your stance on the conversation to people that don't really watch your channel and happen to watch a single video?
I think it might be to attract a certain audience that’s going to think “Oh, a vegan vs a farmer? This stupid vegan is gonna be DESTROYED” in the hopes that they will see the reason in his arguments and rethink some things
Nobody has more cognitive dissonance and motivated reasoning than farmers when it comes to this subject. I'm afraid most of them will not change until they are forced to.
I really wish I could be fully vegan. I'm currently vegetarian, but only drink milk and eat eggs as my animal products. I unfortunately have a medical condition which limits what foods I can and can't eat, which includes many veggies and all animal products other than dairy and eggs ( though I try to limit it ). I can't get proper nutrition from a plant based only diet because of this unfortunately. Even with supplements
The 2 types of farmers Ed talks about (the every day farmers and the manipulative industry hacks who deceive them) remind me a lot of the deceived young earth creationists and the lying apologists who make so much money misleading them.
@Dhruva Punde When we can feed 100% of humans on hydroponics/vertical farming I'll consider veganism (IF it's truly cruelty free). Until then I'll stick to grass fed/hunted meat and wild caught fish so I don't support the disgusting pesticide industry.
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@A.L.Burley Yes, Mr. Winters’ understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that "humans are animals" shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
MMM DELICIOUS VEAL!
Naughty boy ED,you liar,soya is grown for the oil, which cows can't consume, it retails for over 1400 dollars a tonne, the soya bean meal ,which is the byproduct retails for a little over 600 dollars a tonne, so if you think logically you would grow it for the oil,also that almond milk you vegans are so fond of ,50% of the crop is consume by the cows in California, the husks and shells.
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ruclips.net/video/kxwNhxeIaKs/видео.html .. Are used to be a hypocrite. But now I don’t. I don’t stab animals for a 5 minute burger etc. And I’ve gotten bigger and stronger and fitter on a plant based diet. Scientific fact. And I don’t stink anymore. Shoes and socks and feet and armpits are absolutely clean and fresh. Favourite is plants and fruit and nuts and berries and tubers and lentils and beans and potato etc. No fibre if you eat animals and their secretions. It stays in your body and rots.. 🧟♂️🦠💩🥩🍳🥓🍣..🔴... !!!! RUclips delicious vegan food. Time to change ✅🌎😉
@@seanmoynihan7471 dat soooo trueeee! Don't matter bout planet. I just want meat up me bum!!! No vegggganizm!!
As a non vegan who was once completely ignorant, I have now been vegan for a week and feel completely ready to make the move permanently thanks to your channel. Thanks Ed
Respect 🌱🙏🏼
Yaaaay! Amazing! 👏✊💚
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Yeeey, that's so amazing! We're all here to support you in that!!!
I really have respect for you!
I 100% agree. My parents, my aunt, my uncle, my grandma… basically everbody in my family is a farmer, so for me going vegan was a huge shook for them. They still and probably will never understand me, but I’m so proud of myself that I had the courage to go vegan… best decision ever
The Majority of the time the hardest part about being vegan is others presumptions and reactions. It gets easier over time especially when you know your doing it for a good reason.
@@leahcs1894 what good reason?? Veganism has no benefits. It's shit for your health, it's shit for the environment and it's shit for the animals
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Well done!!! I have farming background on both sides of my family but a bit more distant so my family were understanding, but that sounds tough!
Maybe you'll find your family starts opening up more to veganism just by you changing your lifestyle - I've definitely found that with my family :)
Kudos to you for opening your eyes and having the courage to think for yourself!
You are doing the right thing.
I love how Ed talks to people. We need more vegans like this. There is too much yelling and condemning both meat-eaters and other vegans who aren’t “vegan enough.” It gets nowhere. We need to talk. Even if the opposite side is yelling, stay calm. Have a conversation, not an argument. Arguments don’t ever solve anything and all they do is get people pissed. Work together, not against each other.
I had been eating meat for many many years, I kept seeing your vegan debate videos pop up for some reason, thought "this is going to be cringe" and was floored by how great/amazing all the arguments that vegans use are. Now I don't necessarily believe that every Vegan is going to be inspired by the same stuff, but what I will say is that you absolutely were the first person that convinced me Veganism is right. I had known vegetarians and even a couple of Vegans but they never once brung up anything about morality or ethics and they just made it out to be a dietary choice... All I really want to say is thank you Ed :)
I’m really happy to hear that Bluejay & I appreciate your honesty. I want to discuss ethics and morality more when people ask me about my dietary choice but I still don’t know if I am as cool, calm and collected as Ed to speak in a way that doesn’t seem offensive, accusatory or condescending. Are you vegan now or working on transitioning to veganism?
@@ellensirca9915 I am Vegan
@@bluejay1727 awesome!
@@bluejay1727 Congratulations! 😁
What a boring cliché comment
It is really interesting that we consider our society today to be more moral than that of previous generations, while at the same time we torture and kill more animals than ever before.
For example, if you look at just chickens, pigs and cows, all of which can experience pain and emotion, you come up with 60 billion deaths EVERY year.
It's incredible to me how our society can live with this enourmos lie.
n that doesn't include marine animals which is in the trillions per year ontop of the 60 billion land animals. :(
Life isn’t that good for humans either tbh, there are many more slaves now than there were in the 1700s. Pursuit of Western decadence is exploiting and destroying everything
@@nicksguitarlessons7482 I agree
It really is a cognitive dissonance. We would never kick or cut the head of cats and dogs but billion of land and marine animals are killed every year en masse.
Well most people never suffer from starvation nowadays. That's why you people can be vegan.
you come to these conversations with such compassion and nuance ❤️ the world needs more people like you
Well said. Hearts and minds can only be changed with kindness and respect.
Thank you Ed, for your thoughtful, articulate and insightful response...it is always such a delight to listen to you. I was raised on a farm and the points you made were spot on. I still carry the guilt...but am committed now to making the world a better place 🙏
We all gotta start somewhere ✌ I am happy for you that you decided to go vegan
I wholeheartedly believe that, in their true essence, animal farmers are generally good people but they’ve been on auto-pilot for so long that they’re unable to see it. Generational farming has blinded them to the truth and, when present with it, they freeze like a deer in headlights and proceed to become close minded due to the massive cognitive dissonance it entails.
@@OM617a have you ever seen an actual farmer in a range rover?? i live in an agricultural town and everyone is dirt fkn poor. farmers usually struggle just to get food on the table for their kids. i agree that most farmers are selfish, and what they do is wrong regardless, but youre kidding yourself if you think any substantial number of them do it just to pay for luxuries.
most of the time farmers are getting f-d over by big corporations. most of the "farmers" driving range rovers are the ones who probably never set foot near an animal unless theyre filming a commercial- CEOs of Tyson, Smithfield, etc. Joe down the street who keeps a few hundred chickens is probably barely making enough to pay for his equipment.
Ideology is part of it, but farmers mainly want to make money profits. Its a business practice they have been doing all their lives and has become their way of life. Even if they see the light and agree with veganism, its a massive financial hurdle, ie. possible bankruptcy, to just stop it all immediately, unless they can get some financial and logistical assistance to change to vegan farming.
@@somedude172 Point well made, but I think it depends on one’s definition of “farmer”. We still use the word “Farmer” to refer to what I consider to be an Agri-businessman. There remains a traditional association of virtue and hardwork and earthy honesty with “farm” and “farmer” but the reality today is more likely “Pharm” and “Pharmer” or Agri-Business or Industrialized Food Production.
you sound like you've been fed vegan lies - it's sad
@@MrJavacash please elaborate
The animal science students the university I attend are designing a meat packing plant. I just imagine what people’s reactions would be if they called it what it really is…
I used to go to Colorado state and they literally had a meat science major. 😩
@@alisiademi watch this recepie 🙌🙌
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We've been programmed to ignore their suffering. Take the blinders off, support fellow animal rights activists and live vegan! 💜
Never become vegan, nobody can stop me from eating meat! Some animals are just food, deal with it!
@@attbr178 Theres something wrong with you.
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@@attbr178 If nobody can stop you, then why are you here? Commenting on a vegan activist's platform just so you can feel superior doesn't help anyone-- especially when all vegans want to do is have a conversation with meateaters about why the practice is wrong. If you're dead set in your ways then spend your time elsewhere, it seems like a waste of time for you to sit here when you don't want to listen anyway.
@@victoriapham855 Write more walls of text, idgaf. Meat and dairy products are tasty, healthy and essential.
Thank you for the work you do Ed 🌱👍🏽
Extremely well spoken Ed, you've hit the nail on the head. You do an amazing job of clearly and concisely articulating complex concepts through undeniable logical reasoning. I strongly believe these types of videos plant a big seed in the minds of those who are in denial of the truth. Love your work you absolute legend!
This is one of the most intelligent, amazing and well-spoken conversations I've seen on this channel.
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@@lastlime3792 lol
Eugenia Barone you need to seriously look into what you falsely believe as you laugh at truth and uplift people telling others to eat food that their bodies can’t even digest🤮
@@lastlime3792 I'm open to having a logical and respectful conversation on this topic, however you came to me with absurd claims and haven't backed up those claims with evidence, logic or reasoning - that's why it's difficult for me to take you seriously when you say such things. If you are seeking to actually have a conversation on this topic, I suggest you backup your claims and approach the conversation with an open mind and in a respectful manner.
When I think of farming, I think of dirt and plants. Growing and tending to animals seems like a different action altogether. And it is not since I went vegan.
It is, it's actually called husbandry
Thank you Ed! Been vegan for 3 months now thanks to you! Keep up the great work, you're an inspiration to so many! 💚💚
I'm at 2 1/2 (I went vegan for christmas), also mainly because of Ed's work. And I feel like he has so much more to give - he's become a true role model to me.
@@Sir99percent he shouldnt be your role model. Hes a fucking fraud. He lies about everything, including his name(watch crypto007
Absolutely love this video. I think that the majority of people do believe that they are good people-- and I'm even tempted to say that they are. I just believe that as a society, we are so disconnected with our food and how our decisions and morals reflect back on us when we choose to put that food in our mouths. A lot of us are going on autopilot because our subconscious just tells us "eat food so I can have energy to worry about the bigger things". It's really time to heal our connection with food and with nature, especially now for the people who have the options to go vegan, and especially when it is no longer for survival. I think that it's because of this disconnect on something so fundamental and basic that we are incapable of having the ability to solve the bigger and more complex problems in our world. Love the work you do so much, Ed!
There are levels to being good. Vegans are good. To the point where it is unnecessary. Farmers are just good. Humans> other animals. If you think otherwise, you're not using your brain. This comparison to cats and pigs is weak. If you're confused why people get angrier over cat abuse as opposed to pig abuse, again you're deliberately not using your brain.
@@Sal3600 we understand people are more attached to cats, but that’s simply because the cat was lucky and got chosen to be a domesticated, loved animal. The only difference between the cat and the pig is the perception that has been placed upon us by our societies. Pigs are just as loving, if not more. We know why people are more outraged about cats being abused, but the complete ignorance or apathy towards the horrific abuse of the farmed animals is very hypocritical. Not even a slight reaction to the suffering they are causing themselves by buying the animal products.
@@Sal3600 Is it really unnecessary though? At surface level, it’s just a bunch of people cutting animal products out of their diet. But under that surface, it’s not unnecessary but VITAL. We’re against the artificial insemination, the closed pens that the animals are stuck in, the animal testing in the makeup industry, the stealing of newly born animal babies, the torture that many people in the agricultural industry force on innocent animals such as debeaking, throwing into gas chambers, hitting, the ultimate decision for them to be bred only to be slit across the throat and bleeding right next to their own kind. If you can honestly stand there and say that these practices being condemned is unnecessary then you’re going through some serious cognitive dissonance. The comparison between a cat and a pig is not weak because if you actually thought about it, you’d realize that we have subconsciously placed arbitrary values on how a cat should be in the home and the pig should be on our plate. Either all of it is okay, and that would mean it is okay for cats to also be artificially inseminated, tortured, tested on, and bred only to be killed for their meat, or it is absolutely not okay in all circumstances.
100% spot on!
I think what you’re saying is so true.
it's all false - stop listening to him!
@@MrJavacash but it’s not though… so…. No?
Every time I watch one of your debates Ed you inspire me 😊 I’ve been vegan since April 2017 and have never had the intention to switch back to a near diet. Your continued videos and propaganda confirm I’m on the right path ♥️
This is very well put & well said. The hardest pills to swallow are often ignored.
thank you ed for spreading information
I wish this channel has 9 billions of subscribers.
there are only 7.9 billion humans
and 30% don't even have internet access
Pre-ordered the book yesterday! Can't wait to read and share it! :)
Hope it get to you soon, before vegan blindness sets in.
@@tom4412 Whatever you say, pal
Thank you for you work.
We wrap ourselves in layers of ignorance about the animal exploitation industry. But just like unwrapping a present from a loved one, the gift of veganism is truly a beautiful thing. Thanks Ed!
Super lucid segment. Great questions.
Happy 420k Subs Ed!
Ed. Please, meet and discuss strategies with Jake (The Crancky Vegan) there in the USA. You can do great things together.
Yes I would like to see that too. Jake doesn't champion the street interviews and capitalising off veganism so it would be interesting to watch.
👍 #BoycottMeat and all other animal products of cruelty and exploitation in any way possible!
#BoycottMeat
I swear I think Earthling Ed is working for Monsanto.
Animal farmers and other people like horse riders or 4H participants are some of the most deeply indoctrinated for many of the reasons you said, and I would just add for a very egoic, deeply unconscious emotional addiction to the familial "love" and praise they get for doing these things, and that when you're deeply unconscious you fully believe that something you do is your identity so when someone suggests that it's wrong or to change, it on some level feels like your life is threatened. But really it's just your ego that is.
And I say this as a person who rode horses for 10 years, went to college for equine science to become a professional horse breeder, and did a literal speech in my college speech class about how rodeo "isn't cruel". It was always my ego, my deep unconsciousness, and programming from my family and the toxic horse industry/community. And having control over horses was always to make up for my lack of power I had within myself from being abused. And why are these abusive family units and deep unconsciousness so prevalent in these communities? Because of what you mentioned, little access to other world views, all I can say is thank goodness for the internet and things like RUclips. Because these systems and lifestyles of oppression can only thrive in secrecy and with their victims cut off from knowledge about what's really going on.
Typical vegan cult nonsense and hypocrisy
Speaking nothing but the truth 👏👏
@@keeganitreal truth tho
That horses have to be "broken" to be ridden says all really, it's a form of stockholm syndrome almost. Broken slaves also don't run away. Glad you're out of that business though :).
@@11235Aodh cope
"A catalyst for change beyond just what we do to animals" is my new favorite quote. Describes my journey perfectly
Ed, of course I have been following you for several months after I myself became vegan rather than just a vegetarian. I would like to ask you what you think about the pet industry. As for myself, I worked in it for 6 months while attending art school. I found out a bit more than I was supposed to about the industry, so I had to quit on moral grounds. One of the things is the questionable supply chain from which exotic animals are from. Another issue I found was the type of food that is fed to animals in general, whether they are on farms or are being raised as pets. This food is not food at all, rather it is a waste product including road kill,, but primarily it is corn, at least in the USA. The meat is what they call 4D meat. You can fund out what that means. Okay, enough said, I think if you address this issue, it would make a fantastic video. Thanks.
Ed's is a brilliant and clear analysis of the factors that contribute to an attitude of denial. I think also a lot of people don't give much credence to the notion of progress in many areas of life. That is to say a traditional take on the culture you find yourself in feels more secure and less challenging than a progressive one.
we havent been as good as we would have liked to be I LIKE THAT LINE ALOT
Cool jacket mate. My grandma used to wear these in church on Sundays.
I'm a new entrant farmer who grew up in an urban environment. I was nervous about keeping livestock initially, but was amazed at how natural it felt once I started. So I disagree with earthling ed. We don't just carry on farming livestock because it's how we've been raised. Livestock play an integral role in our food system, and there are many reasons our ancestors have always done it. The vegan movement is a very recent one, and has really come out of urbanisation and the industrialisation of our food system.
Ed now has access to money and resources given his popularity. I would be much more inclined to listen to him if he led by example and built the vegan farm that he is dreaming of, instead of telling the community what they should be doing. I can assure you, it's a lot harder than it looks. At the end of the day, someone has to grow our food. So lead by example instead of telling people how morally corrupt you think they are.
Thank you Ed
It's a bit funny to me, to hear Ed say how much pressure is put on farmers, while being one-off many, who puts this pressure on them in that instant. A farmer, that was to watch this discussion would feel this tremendous pressure, that he seems to understand and empathize with.
Also, I feel we must acknowledge, that, even though we think the current agricultural system is flawed, these people *are* still providers. They take on the role of providing food for lots of people everyday. I don't think a fruitful (haha!) discussion with farmers can be had, if we don't recognise that fact and respect it. Even, again, if we think a lot of things could and should be done better.
Yes, the disrespect from people who've never grown anything in their life or done anything but consume is really staggering. Thank you for addressing this.
Ed is extremely brave and we are lucky getting to see her transition in real-time.
Good on you Ed
Been watching Ed for about a year now. Hasn't convinced me that absolute veganism is the answer. Reduction in meat consumption yes, eating local yes, knowing what you eat yes, supporting high and sustainable standards yes.
What is your response towards Ed's standard argument against unnecessary violence/killing?
A few more problems I see with your kind of position:
-given the overbred farm animals there are today, a lot of suffering is inevitable regardless of how they're raised. Almost all egg laying hens are in pain from multiple bone fractures. Cows lose and mourn their young, and they live with deformed, uncomfortable udders that can burst from milk.
-Even if we assume that some kind of animal farming can be ethical in principle, this would be very small scale and not something that can be expanded to everyone.
The answer to what?
@@alexdings1725 An ethical argument that he dismisses or ignores is that he puts forward the idea that you shouldnt eat meat as the act of eating meat causes harm to an animal and there are other choices that cause no harm. However this misses the point entirely that farmed animals would not be alive if not for meat consumption and that they can live positive and happy lives up until their death. Who is to say that the farmed animals life is worthless? If we are weighing up the harm causes to an animal, why are we not weighing up the positive experiences of the animal too? Suffering matters but so does pleasure and happiness too. The act of eating meat, serves to create life too. I would argue it is necessary and worthy, according to the factors I define them to be.
I would underline all this that ethical standards, localised production and consumption, organic practices and reducing overall consumption are critical factors that I personally see as an important part of meat eating.
I eat meat occasionally. It probably forms part of a single meal on 4 out of every 7 days during a week for me. I think we all need to reduce our meat intake for environmental reasons. I also think people need to select local meat produced to the highest ethical standards. Other than that I have no issue with the principle of eating meat.
I would add that there are plenty of vegan foods which are widely consumed by vegans, e.g. avocados which are quite unsustainable generally, particularly as veganism rises. I would put much more emphasis on sustainable consumption more generally rather than just distinguishing between meat and non meat. It is too simplistic.
@@darcymr353 the answer to many of the issues which he highlights in terms of sustainable practices, being ethical, holding high moral standards. Absolute veganism is not necessary, reduction in meat consumption is however very important.
Did you know recent studies have shown that plants can feel and even have memories and can communicate with each other? I think mono cropping is disgusting. We should just not eat anything. On a serious level, mono cropping is a huge sector of agriculture and seems to be the only practical way to feed the world on a vegan diet. Mono cropping is extremely bad for the environment and harvesting crops kills thousands of small creatures like mice. How do we stop all suffering? How do we stop a hungry lion from killing a deer? The answer is we can’t and won’t. I’m open to useful discussion.
Beautifully put
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Excellent presentation!
Professor ED!!
The SOLUTION to the meat problem is to have the government stop subsidising the meat industry. After they do that, the price of meat will go up and folk will eat vegan food.
That will normalize veganism and the vegan lifestyle, and then vegans will more easily be able to take further steps.
Don't tread on me. 💛🐍
That, plus put veganism into the education system. The sooner in life people become vegan, the better off they, the animals and the whole society will be. That's the best way to normalize veganism, by starting early.
@@gula_rata I disagree. Putting it into the school system is only going to reach out to a tiny audience. Everyone who didn't learn about it in school still won't know anything.
Besides, 3% of the population will never influence the school system. Those who aren't vegan won't be on board with that. Lowering taxes is a solution that can get more popular support.
Animal subsidy is the common taxpayer's money working hard to subsidize murder. What a messed up life. The poor animals!
I’m sympathetic but I think that approach would alienate potential allies. I prefer shifting subsidies away from corporate welfare for concentrated animal feeding operations and towards people producing higher quality food (mostly plant based) so that more people would have access to affordable, higher quality, locally produced food. Meat should be more expensive and plant based foods more “normal” which actually would be a return to a more traditional diet. Meat and cheese are way too cheap and easy.
@@cipherklosenuf9242 Plant based food like beans and lentils are already affordable.
We must create surfaces for people to meet and discuss peacefuly, to organize our future. In every level we lack of the will and ability to communicate with all the members of -at least- our surrounding ambient. We must get used to the act of organizing, taking part actively in life, and not let hidden “evil forces” , or i can call them simply just sick people to decide on everyone’s lives. Like starting wars, exploiting the planet, ignoring climate change, making sure that we are busy fighting each other.
We must take part, learn to communicate, learn to organize? and do the right things!
Cmon people! Let’s unite instead of separate!!
My sister had a job working at a big egg farm when she was a teenager. She saw these chickens in awful conditions. Recently I was having a debate with her about animal cruelty and she asked me "how can we even be sure chickens can feel pain or suffering? Is there any proof of that?"
When she looks into their eyes, she doesn't see someone looking back then? That they suffer is all over their faces.
@@11235Aodh a chicken is a something, not a Someone.
Only humans can be a someone.
@@tom4412 This is ridiculous. You are ridiculous.
@@tamcon72 I’m correct, 99 .9 percent of people would agree with me on a chicken being a something.
Only vegan extremists would think otherwise.
Ed's words and the comments from vegans here are revealing. They all seem to indicate a 'we know more than them' or 'if only they knew what we know' attitude. Ed, and others, need to remember that veganism doesn't make you more enlightened or smarter than others. Just because you feel strongly and have an emotional connection to it doesn't mean you're universally right. What you have is an alternative opinion. Don't mistake that for being better than others!
I think you are ignoring the fact that vegans have to do tons of research in order to change their lives. We _do_ actually know more about this stuff than the average person, certainly more than the average consumer of goods does.
@@tamcon72 true, but I wouldn't say that's the case for every vegan. And it's also the case that countless people have done their research on these matters and still choose to eat meat so, again, Ed's OPINION doesn't hold itself up as a universal position of authority. Also, it would be very naive to think that Ed doesn't get into any conversations with people who are actually well informed on these matters and can refute his position. In the end, though, he controls what goes up on his channel and I'm equally willing to bet he'd never let anyone see a conversation like this.
@@Mandolin_Matt I was in the vegan diet for a minute and got sucked into the hype and let my ego get the best of me. We are here today because our ancestors ate meat. Just because we have the option to eat foods from half way across the world doesn’t mean that is going to give us optimal health. Eating local and high quality foods that are in season is going to allow you to live your best life. Eating meat doesn’t make you an evil person! Granted the practices today are fucked but there are solutions like buying organic and local.
@@zachisdoingbreathwork8265 totally agree! The idea that we evolved to thrive on a whole foods plant based diet is ridiculous - it would have been impossible to get nearly enough variety to meet our nutritional needs until less than 100 years ago! Sure, I think we need to be responsible with meat consumption, too, supporting local, smaller-scale farmers and so on. But
Veganism is rising while carnism is dying! Thank you Ed for exposing the carnivore cult 🙌
I have a feeling veganism is only on the rise on RUclips and Reddit but not in real life. Don't think most humans will ever go vegan unless forced.
Rich coming from a vegan cultist
DANKE !
Good argument in some ways but built on a very privileged and eurocentric view of the world.
Not really, most of the world relies on calories from whole plant foods as their staples, it's been the case since civilization existed. The only thing eurocentric these days is having animal foods encroach on more of our daily calories.
@@michaelmcgavin7106 I don't disagree with your first statement, but hugely with the latter.
Why? Because some native people won't be able to not go vegan, the rest shouldn't either? Atm. we spend more than 80% of farmland on less than 20% of total consumed calories through animalhusbandry. In what world does this make sense. It would be a huge help overall when we eurocentric and muricacentric people go vegan.
@11235Aodh are you aware that the world doesn't revolve around people that think like you? That there are various cultures that consume meat, whether it be part of culture, tradition, rituals etc as well as for survival? Not just within "natives", but also for those who are integrated or are slowly integrating into western societies where veganism may seem like the beneficial option to those who are priveleged? Also people in parts of the world that this issue for them just isn't a priority, nor anywhere near a primary concern? I could go on and on and on...
FYI, I put "natives" in air quotes because what on earth do you mean? I think I know what you were trying to say, because in my experience, I've heard white people say it often.
Genuine Question from a farmer. How does a Vegan Farming system practically function? It’s no good just to say “oh vegan farming will only use a quarter of the land currently used for livestock etc” as true as that possibly might be. Where is that Land based? As its not going to be equally partitioned between country’s Russia, USA, Ukraine, Belarus all have vast ares of quality arable croplands Vs many smaller EU & African nations for example who it seems to me will be in very dangerous food security situations being totally reliant on larger nations & corporations for the food?
What’s the vegan plan for crop fertilisation? How are you looking after soil health& fertility long term? For example there’s now more & more arable farmers bringing livestock back into there farming systems as a way of controlling weeds & winter growth Lessing the need for chemicals provided quality organic muck to maintain soil health. And another income stream from the livestock.
Now I am certainly not claiming our current food system is perfect, damn far from it but blaming farmers for basically getting on with the job successive governments have asked of them for 100s of years all the while being fleeced out of thousands by greedy supermarkets & processors & Public population who are addicted to cheap food.
Everyone, including animal farmers, are capable of critical thinking and of educating themselves. Giving animal farmers a free pass is like saying the Nazi soldiers were "just obeying orders".
I don't think he's giving them a free pass as such, just trying to understand...and a surprising number of farmers are beginning to see things differently and making a switch to plant based agriculture...I understand what you're saying but I think shaming people in any area of life only leads to resistance and ultimately more division, whereas compassion and understanding fosters connection and conversation which are the first steps towards change
I understand what you’re saying and know that this probably wasn’t your intention, but I feel that comparing animal consumption to the Holocaust is not a good comparison and can be both offensive and misinformative.
@@violetkerridge4154 The scale of animal killing (billions each year) far surpasses human killing, and is an ongoing holocaust. You're basically saying human lives matter way more than animal lives.
@@erictorbet8104 No, what I’m saying is that the Holocaust is a personal human atrocity which humans are still effected by today. Therefore comparison of anything to the Holocaust can be incredibly painful for people to hear. There are better ways to get your point about scale across without causing people unnecessary pain.
@@violetkerridge4154 (and @Tammie), I'm not out to shame or hurt people's feelings, but rather to present the cold hard reality, without pussyfooting or tip-toe-ing around the issue. The Animal Holocaust has been going on so long that most humans no longer recognize the horror of it. Did you know that the expansion into the West (of U.S.) and the decimation of indigenous Americans was basically driven by the need for more land for cattle? Did you know the Amazon is being destroyed to make room for cattle? The very fate of the planet now depends on our recognizing the horror that is meat eating. Your desire to tip-toe around it is like the Repubicans not wanting to teach racism in the classroom because it will make the white children feel guilty. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth. It's not about shaming, it's about edification.
Hey Ed, thanks to you I've been vegan almost two years, and today at my high school lunch my now x friend snuck bacon into my vegan burger and didn't tell me until I ate it, now I feel really bad thinking about what that pig had to go through to now be in my stomach, I feel sick, do you have any advice?
Every vegan will slip up from time to time, it’s almost impossible to avoid with people being unclear about ingredients when you go out or apparently really crappy friends (sorry they did that to you). But you know you didn’t buy that bacon or intentionally eat it, you didn’t contribute towards their suffering and you have no reason to feel guilt for what was a complete mistake on your end.😊 all I can say is make sure that you never give that ‘friend’ the time of day anymore. 😂
@@sarahhopkinson3526 Thanks, that helps!
Have a talk with your friend about boundaries. If your friend loves and respects you they wouldn't try to hurt you, and you need to state this plainly.
@@tamcon72 He still won't even admit he was wrong
What a true closing remark. They are intelligent people who blame vegans, but they absolutely know better.
Hey Ed I love you more than anything BUT I feel like this suit is not well fitted. Sorry.
Farmers have got to evolve with the times. They get so many subsidies that if it weren’t for the welfare they’d be out of jobs long before!
I’m guessing you are financially well off and aren’t to badly effect by increasing food prices.
Most people aren’t in the same situation as you hun.
I think you raise an important point. Agribusiness is heavily subsidized. The public has the right to question who is being subsidized, how and why. It makes sense to subsidize food production, but those subsidies should be for public health and to keep production stabilized. How we accomplish that is really complicated.
@@tom4412 This has nothing to do with it?
I am waiting when chanell will have 430 trousands of subscribers. Hope it will be soon.
420k subs let’s go
I eat a fully vegan diet, but i still feed my dogs and cats meet. Am i vegan? Im completely against feeding dogs and cats a fully vegan diet.
Dogs are omnivores and can thrive on a plant-based diet. Cats are obligate carnivores. Feeding your companion animals what they can biologically process for energy does not mean you aren't vegan. It's about doing the best you can with your own choices _for yourself._
Vegans are people who avoid the products of animal exploitation whenever possible, so yes , if you're doing that then you're vegan.
I would urge you to look further into vegan pet foods though. If their foods contain all of the nutrients that they need, your dogs and cats do not care if it came from an animal or not.
Google Omni. Dogs can thrive on well designed non-animal based food.
@@darcymr353 id need to see some unbias studies before moving any of my animals on to this diet. Do you know of any?
@@jamesbyrne3033 Awesome thankyou! Im now looking into it
Well said
I come from a centuries long line of blacksmiths that had to change there way of making a living midway through the 20th century because the industry was being taken over by more modern ways of doing things, so my grandfather moved into car manufacturer. Farmers using the excuse "it's what we've always done" is a lame excuse, you can easily diversify into something else as my family did and we're still going strong 😀😀. Change has to happen, as it always has, some people just need 's nudge.
Pretty easy switch to be honest. What did he do for the months he didn't have any income ? Also he switched to something much more profitable and a to be multi billion dollar industry. Animal farming is already a multi billion dollar industry. Only area we can easily phase is plant agriculture which isn't that tough but will take a few months of reconstruction and renovation. Though in my country veggies are more expensive so it'll be selling at high price but very few veggies grow easily in my country.
I don’t think we ‘’had to eat ‘meat’ to survive’’ not while we was in Africa anyway, as there were vast rainforest forests, but imo, some left the forests, and ventured onto the grasslands and began to eat what they could find outside of their natural forest home. I don’t think it was need at all.
Those rainforests had nuts and fruit. You need more than nuts and fruit in your diet
Well, for a lot of people in the past, the crops grown in their own regions wasn’t sufficient in nutrients so they resorted to animals. However, whether it was necessary then is not really of importance since the only thing that matters is that it is definitely not a necessity today. 😊
@@angycucumber4319 Tell that to a gorilla :P They eat leaves all day long. We share the same ancestors, obviously we went down a different path where eating cooked starchy foods became our main fuel source after we discovered fire.
Of course we ate meat at somepoint no denying that, mostly during the ice age, when digging there was little flora around.
It wasnt necessary. But if we didnt eat meat back then, we would be still monkeys
💚 Vegan for life.
i think we should slave animal farmers so they pay back their price for all their suffering and plant production will be more available for the needy.
couldnt agree anymore comrade! animal farmers are real enemies why cant we not slave them? and use it to our advantage.
realy we could do a lot.
@@rationalism_communism agreed.
@@rationalism_communism agreed!
@@ffdadfsdfsfsfs6722 Agreed!
we really can make this world a better place.
I can't help but view this satirically lol
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Treu objectivity has been lost, or never really existed in human society.
The truth.
Ed is looking dapper af
I gently suggest he find a good tailor.
@@tamcon72 the baggy blazer works really well imo
Midwest animal rights is a good vegan RUclipsr u should have him on your channel, he deserves more views.
We "have to" change. No we don't. We're not going to change because you want us to.
great
Should specify "animal" farmers.
If you want a better world go vegan💚
There are many different types of farmers. Small scale and large scale. Also, it's untrue that farmers are insular and isolated. A lot of them go to farmers markets every weekend and interact with their customers, and fellow farmers, etc. You don't know what happens in the lives of farmers. Stop acting like you know what happens in the lives of people you don't even know.
Agreed I hate people like this who like to sound they know shit when in reality don’t know a single thing about a farmers life.
He’s got that sweaty blow up doll vegan glow ! 😍🥰
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My 'foughts' on farmers
Im veggie and considering meat again. My diet is awful and i just cant find other options to get high protein in
Do what you want, if you wanna eat meat eat meat if you don't wanna eat meat then don't. Do not let other people tell you otherwise.
It's about protein combination: so grains and pulses will provide all the essential amino acids. There is plenty of info. on the internet - research is your friend. While you are there you might like look up and to watch a film called Dominion(2018) to help strengthen your resolve to be the best you you can be.
What are you eating that you can't get protein?
In my country I have only falafel option but not in my city, but I have my protein very well. Why you don't eat nuts and beans every day? Seitan is also amazing, watch how to make seitan and make cotlets.
Even meat eating body builders eat protein powders to get "high protein".
It's impossible to undereat protein. The minimum is 26g per day. The recommended (with buffer included) is just 56g. Like you get that eating 2000 calories of anything. You might want 80g if you're a natural lifter.
200g if you're on steroids maybe. And then you need powders for that anyway. So just get a vegan protein powder if this is you.
I went to the Dr's for a bad back the other day, we got in to the point I was vegan because I haven't been vaccinated due to it being tested on animals and she took some bloods from me because she said she has "never seen a healthy vegan" I said to her "No, you just haven't ever met a smart vegan" that was over 2 weeks ago and I've not had a phonecall that I'm low in anything.
Veganism is eliminating the use of animals products as far as practically possible. Being vaccinated does not mean you are not vegan. All medication, at some point, has been tested on animals as required by law. Associating veganism with antivax sentiment is never going to help the cause.
Every medical product or implant has to have been tested on animals. While true that it isn't great, I've seen worse pet owners than poorly treated lab animals in my pharma research years. At least animal laboratories are regulated, checked, and have a vet on site. Any handling or facility clean-up requires certification.
If you eat Animals it is cruel. it is about money. When you need money ,you will become cruel. Human nature,
Proscribing evilness to individual people is so immature in this situation. You are not willing to recognize that the problem is the system that insensitivizes and legitimizes these actions and that we have to change the system. If we convince these people not to be evil they will lose their job because they are bad at it and the next „evil“ people will rise to get the position.
@Anon Anon thanks, english is not my native language
I just want to point out that the interviewer fucking around with his tablet is extremely distracting
We definitely need to stop all farming practices, those wheat fields and vegetable paddocks are very unnatural and also takes land away from the poor animals which need land to forage.
Yes all farming is cruel , whether it's farm raised animals or farming cereal, grain, vegetables etc,, Animals & creatures die regardless..
Wight??? Animalz die and we shuldnt care. I WUNT MOST ANIMULZ DEAD NOT LEEST. NEED THEM IN ME BUMM MUWAHAHAH
No matter how many safety measures we add to cars and roads, people still die in car crashes. Do you think then that it isn't worth trying to reduce the number of car accidents, because the number will never be 0?
Plant farming DOES NOT REQUIRE animals to die, UNLIKE animal farming. Vegan farming is a thing. When everybody agree animals don't deserve to be farmed, then surely society can make better system, with wild animals in mind, as part of consideration.
Ah, the desperate Game of Evenses you all resort to as a feint. Please look up the dictionary definition of "intent," and give it a good think.
Ed even has empathy towards his Enemies. I think this is a really good approach, if you put yourself in the role of your enemy and think about what would make you change your mind. And what would make you push back from an idea
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Do you ever think that framing your video thumbnails and titles as "vegan vs x-group" is a bit polarizing? I have noticed that in all your videos you are very calm and don't speak with resentment towards the other party. Therefore, don't titles such as the ones I mentioned earlier, create a false representation of your stance on the conversation to people that don't really watch your channel and happen to watch a single video?
I think it might be to attract a certain audience that’s going to think “Oh, a vegan vs a farmer? This stupid vegan is gonna be DESTROYED” in the hopes that they will see the reason in his arguments and rethink some things
This comment is for boost the algorithm.
Eating meat will help your brain function, then you’d be able to think of something interesting to say.
@@tom4412 No, it won't.
@@myfoodisgrownnotborncompas362 did you mean won’t
Nobody has more cognitive dissonance and motivated reasoning than farmers when it comes to this subject. I'm afraid most of them will not change until they are forced to.
I really wish I could be fully vegan. I'm currently vegetarian, but only drink milk and eat eggs as my animal products. I unfortunately have a medical condition which limits what foods I can and can't eat, which includes many veggies and all animal products other than dairy and eggs ( though I try to limit it ). I can't get proper nutrition from a plant based only diet because of this unfortunately. Even with supplements
The 2 types of farmers Ed talks about (the every day farmers and the manipulative industry hacks who deceive them) remind me a lot of the deceived young earth creationists and the lying apologists who make so much money misleading them.
So Ed how many animals do you kill with your pesticides and combine harvesters? Let us know when you find out.
@Dhruva Punde When we can feed 100% of humans on hydroponics/vertical farming I'll consider veganism (IF it's truly cruelty free). Until then I'll stick to grass fed/hunted meat and wild caught fish so I don't support the disgusting pesticide industry.
@Dhruva Punde I do and this is why I'm an omnivore. I eat both plants and meat.
@@ssfhc you are a psychopath 👏
@@ssfhc What wild caught fish, you do know it's all a lie right? Unless you catch it yourself.
@@11235Aodh I live in a country where there's a lot of wild caught fish (Greece)