Hip-Hop's Subgenre Problem
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Hip-Hop Needs Sub-genres - ‘Rapper’, a monolithic term
People feel threatened by hip-hop’s latest rising stars because we don’t have the language to explain how all these different artists are hip-hop artists.
Check out this video's transcript over at Across The Culture:
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Narrated by: Pro (@JaysnProlifiq)
Written by: Zander Tsadwa
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Music by: Josh Petruccio
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Rapper: kendrick
Not a rapper: Supa hot fire
vandean underrated comment
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other way around kiddo
@@youngjizzlord4783 r/woooosh
David Corea shit I didn’t realize the joke o literally just got it
Seems like Mainstream media calls any black artist with a HipHop swag a “Rapper”
They call Jeremih, August Alsina & Bryson Tiller rappers 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Same with Anderson .Paak and 6lack
@@WestsideGunna exactly
FOR REAL... y’all remember when ppl used to call Akon a rapper?😂
@@WestsideGunna 6lack calls himself a rapper I believe
"Im a rapper"
*Proceeds to sing their whole career*
Jayden Amazing trippie redd, juice wrld, lil mosey, roddy ricch, lil tjay, lil tecca, polo g to name just a few new school “rappers”
*YK*
Cough cough Chance the RAPPER
@@YxngE so...rap and sing
Right lol
What about mumble rap, grime, drill, trap, lofi, oldschool, country-rap, cloud rap, trapsoul etc.?
I looked up wikepedia and there are couple more:
Gangster rap
Alternative hip hop
Alternative hip hop
Avant-garde hip hop
Breakbeat
Boom bap
Chap hop
Chopped and screwed
Chopper
Christian hip hop
Comedy hip hop
Contemporary R&B
Conscious hip hop
Country-rap
Crunk
Crunkcore
Cloud rap
Drill
Electro hop
Emo hip hop
Experimental hip hop
Freestyle rap
G-funk
Gangsta rap
Ghetto house
Ghettotech
Hardcore hip hop
Hip hop soul
Hip house
Horrorcore
Hyphy
Industrial hip hop
Instrumental hip hop
Jazz rap
Jersey club
Latin trap
Lo-fi hip hop
Low Bap
Neurohop
New jack swing
Political hip hop
Pop-rap
Porno rap
Ragga hip hop
Rap opera
Rap rock
Rap metal
Snap music
Mumble rap
Stronda music
Trap
Trip hop
Turntablism
Underground hip hop
Urban Pabbsifika
Alternative hip hop
Avant-garde hip hop
Breakbeat
Boom bap
Chap hop
Chopped and screwed
Chopper
Christian hip hop
Comedy hip hop
Contemporary R&B
Conscious hip hop
Country-rap
Crunk
Crunkcore[Note 3]
Cloud rap
Drill
Electro hop
Emo hip hop
Experimental hip hop
Freestyle rap
G-funk
Gangsta rap
Ghetto house
Ghettotech
Hardcore hip hop
Hip hop soul
Hip house
Horrorcore
Hyphy
Industrial hip hop
Instrumental hip hop
Jazz rap
Jersey club
Latin trap
Lo-fi hip hop
Low Bap
Neurohop
New jack swing
Political hip hop
Pop-rap
Porno rap
Ragga hip hop
Rap opera
Rap rock
Rap metal
Snap music
Mumble rap
Stronda music
Trap
Trip hop
Turntablism
Underground hip hop
Urban Pabbsifika
@@FreestyleBeats half of it ain't even official.. i mean explain wtf is porn rap!
@@Dante_tea_v I didnt look at every subgenre they listed on wikipedia. Even when there are a couple unofficial subgenres in this list, it still proves my point with all the subgenres that ARE valid,
@@FreestyleBeats never said ur right or wrong bud ✌
No, g4y hip hop
This is a great video and concept I truly agree, it should be broken down similar to a family tree
100% agree
In the thumbnail:
-J.I.D lyrical
-Juice WRLD melodical
-lil pump mumble
-lil nas x country
-chief keef SOSA
Why Lil Pump mumble?i understand what he says.
Mumble Rap term is very wrong,there are maximum 5 rappers who people could not understand.
And if it's called "mumble" only because the 'rappers' are singing or they have not lyrical meaning on the songs it is not right.
Lil Pump doesn't mumble lol
@@sebycalin6659 he doesn't mumble, people just use that as the insult of artists music if what they do seems to not require talent
Lil pump is punk rap
I think you could argue Playboi Carti is the biggest mumble rapper in the game right now. Considering he actually mumbles
Progressive Technical Neoclassical Symphonic Avantgarde Rap
I'd pay to see that
What.
I need that.
Lmao wtf would that even sound like
ᛞᛖᚾᚾᛁᛋ ᛏᚱᛟᚹᚨᛏᛟ so, mumble rap?
For one “Hip Hop” isn’t a genre. It’s a culture. So, everyone is under that. After that’s established, then we can name Rap as the genre & go forth with all of our Rap sub genres.
Like how it's Said anyone can rap but not everyone can be hip hop.
I disagree. Hip hop is the genre rap is something you do like singing. Singing is not it's own genre it's just something you do. There's other genres outside hip hop where they rap like grime,nu metal,Jamaican toasting ect.
@Lloyd Frayne I think toasting and rapping are simular enough that you can lump them together.
nah. hip hop is definitely a genre, rap is a vocal technique. saying rap is a genre is like saying singing is a genre.
To me, hip hop as a distinct instrumental genre was invented by Rick Rubin and Run DMC. Everything before that was Funk/Disco/EDM beats with rapping on it. But there was no hip hop instrumental until Rick Ruben started "reducing" beats.
Lyrical Rap
Mumble rap
Country rap
Melodic rap
Trap
Concious rap
Christian rap
Horror-core
Gangster rap
I think these are good catergories so far
Gangster rap is also a popular sub genre
and strap 😂😂
Lyrical rap is not a genre
.. country rap can be lyrical , mumble rap can be lyrical , horrorcore can be lyrical
BartSimp Son yeah i agree with that lyrical should just be an option in someone’s lyrics
The fuck is Christian rap? thought Rap music was 'the devil' along with rock and roll 😂😂
Y'all really milking JID on your thumbnails now huh
Great video man, this is a term that encompasses so much that it’s necessary to have more terms that aren’t insulting like “mumble rapper”.
People just seem to use that term to cover a huge variety of artists that sound so different.
helloyassine what’s poppin tho? 🔥💪🏽
@@Prodebrio
LMAO
48 Law is trash
True hip hop - the stuff that ignited the unprecedented global expansion of the culture & artform in the 90's...will always be in the Underground. There are a few emcees here and there that are able to bring it, but for the most part...its been bastardized. This is no coincidence-it's by the design of the Main Stream Media. The elites can't just shut down rap music-it would simply amplify the very thing that people from every corner of the planet relate to the music's message of resisting and rising up from oppression, tyranny and injustice. Silencing the genre would feed into that narrative, so they've come up with another way to bury the lyrics; force rap music back to where it came from. The Main Stream Media has successfully muffled hip hop's resonating voice through the unintelligible, non-freestyle, three-word bar "rappers" such as Migos, Lil Pump, Uzi Vert, Lil Yachty, Kodak Black, 21 Savage, Designer, Young Thug, etc...The MSM has uses these girl jeans wearing impostors to emasculate hip hop's male identity and image. 360 deals are empowering & encouraging talentless parasites to continue producing Atypical sounding songs that the MSM's radio affiliates push as rap music. This is a manufactured, false generation, deliberately meant to appear unsophisticated, underwhelming and odd to the point that the real hip hop industry has virtually condemned them.
The Flagged RUclipsr II naww that shit has really changed certain things in my life man ngl
“Allowing for branches to grow instead of fighting to keep things at the root makes for a more beautiful tree”
Such a good quote
There ARE subgenres in Hip Hop, but they're not used frequently like in rock and metal
Pop rap-
A pop stlye form of rap created by Andre 3000
Rap more focus on you singing along then hardcore lyric
Early example MissJackson Outkast , Ja Rule what would i be without you, 50 cent window shopper , and everything Nelly
Pop rap has been around before Andre 3000's heyday
@@cmdr_doom No it ain't.
@@cmdr_doom Rae Sremmurd is more like Ying Yang Twins and LMFAO
You mean Lauryn Hill......
She started that pop rap 😂💀
Black Freddy “everything Nelly” lololol
Ugggghhh I'm tooo dam early it's no comments 😲😳
@Anakin Medina spittin fax
@Anakin Medina lol riiiight 😅😂😂🤣😭 cus that shit was so random...
Rap is the artform. Hip-hop is a genre. You can rap and not be hip hop and you can be hip hop but not be rap
Facts everybody on this list is rappers but very few are hip hop
why not just call em artist?
cuz painters are also artists
@@TheFallenXL damn i aint even know that
I just say musician
Cause that would be to simple
Just too vague. People always say we need to get rid of labels but labels can be useful.
I been saying this. Every genre of music gets a sub genre except hip hop. The term hip hop doesn't describe all the diversity today.
The UK scene doesn't have this problem, although it is admittedly much smaller and easier to keep track of. Chronologically, there is Garage, Grime, Road Rap, UK Trap, AfroSwing, Trapwave and UK Drill. There are a few songs that could come under more than one of these categories or even none of them but it all comes under UK Hip hop/rap.
Post Malone is definitely not a rapper...
You guys need to stop baiting me into watching these videos by putting J.I.D on the thumbnail.
🤣😂😂 True
exactly
@@legsluvashhmoney I like your user Name. It's creative 😃
He was in the video
Facts they keep gettin me
There’s already sub-genres
West-coast, drill, trap, scream/metal rap, etc
There just needs to be MORE sub-genres. But sadly, I don’t think they will ever fully be established in hip hop
i dont think sub genres are gonna work because a lot of artists make music thats different enough to be considered a sub genre
Accordin' to Jordan I would rather the artists aren't constrained by subgenres.
How exactly would that “constrain” them?
@@accordintojordan4250 Because fans may learn of the subgenres then expect certain sounds, styles of mix from certain artists and in return artists may find it easier to constrain their selves or may learn music production and rap in a more constrained way, expecting certain results rather than just playing with sound. I think there is a balance between categorising sub genres and making a genre open to a massive vairety of sound. You see more experimentation with the latter, but categorisation makes it easier for the listener to find what they want.
Dude, that’s already how things are right now. You think of Juice Wrld, and you expect that sad and emotional vibe, you think of Lil Tecca, and you expect that upbeat catchy shit. Sub-genres would just help us separate different types of rappers. The fact that Eminem and Lil Mosey can be classified as the same type of musician fucking hurts my brain. And that’s not a diss to either of them, it’s just that they’re music sounds nothing alike. This is why subgenres should be a thing
But rap already has subgenres though... Here are some off the top
-Boombap
-Gfunk
-Trap
-Jazzrap
-horrorcore
-trapmetal
-nerdcore
-chopper
-grime
-Drill
-cloud rap
-Hip Pop
-Hyphy
-Crunk
-ect ect
I honestly don't understand how you can run a hiphop channel and not know about all different the subgenres
@@NoName-yy3wb I'd say hip pop
Songs made for the radio basically
Shut up! Hip hop/ Rap is a very special and unique genre. Stop trying to make us follow what those others do! We move how we move...
I Always said there are three sub genre
Rap: Joyner Lucas, Logic
Hip Hop: Cole, Kendrick
Hip Pop: Drake, Post Malone
And so forth
Hip-Hop ain't a genre tho its a culture
Loool how are you putting logic and Lucas in rap they hiphop swap them around
What about Gangsta rap? Political rap? Hardcore hip hop? Abstract/alternative rap? Horrorcore? Trip hop? G Funk? Boombap? Crunk?
@@isaacgr7314 I feel like Hip Hop has a culture and although both these guys are great rappers they're more of an after thought
@@lyricsanonymous9036 I admit that my view is flawed but it hold some merit
Gansta Rap - Rap
Political Rap - Rap
Boombap - Rap
Crunk - Hip Hop
G Funk - Rap
I don't know what hardcore and horror core and trip hop are I'll be sure to check it out ( Any recommendations? )
Eminem, Biggie, 2Pac, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole, Lil Wayne, Ice Cube --> Lyrical/Conceptual rappers (rappers who use their lyrics to convey messages and tell stories through slick wordplay)
Rich the Kid, Young Thug, Gunna, Lil Baby, 50 Cent (kinda)--> Mumble rappers (rappers who use a slurred type of delivery to convey more of a club type sound of music than lyric-heavy songs)
Post Malone, Juice WRLD, Lil Nas X, Drake, Run DMC, MC Hammer, DMX, Flo Rida, Lil Jon --> Pop rappers (rappers who make music that stay true to hip hop but appeal to the mainstream and usually make music with the intent of being played on radio stations or tv commercials)
Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, NWA, Ice T, Run DMC, Busta Rhymes, Lil Jon --> Hardcore hip hop (hip hop that involves agression and hardcore rapping)
NWA, Ice T, 50 Cent, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, 6ix9ine --> Gangsta rap (exactly what it sounds like)
2 Chainz, TI, Young Thug, Gucci Mane, Migos, Lil Jon --> Trap (southern hip hop that can be categoized as club/party music)
Eminem, Joyner Lucas, Twista, Busta Rhymes, E-40, JID, Tech N9ne --> Chopper rap (rappers who predominantly have a fast-flow kind of delivery in their music)
I personally think "melodic rap" doesnt exist because that would just overlap with R&B or Pop. Artists like XXXTentacion or Yk Osiris (yes i only know him because of XXL) have a singing type of aspect in the majority of their music
I like that 3 lane theory that Murs made...
Hip Hop
Hip Pop
Pop
There should also just be a sub categories called
Trap
Emo Rap
Shit can be set up like metal is in iTunes.
Instead of Rock/Metal
It can be
Hip-Hop/Trap
But that still excludes some people. What about experimental acts like death grips and clipping
willcop same thing. A category for that as well. It can literally be just hip hop. They are the definition of hip hop and I’m not even a fan haha, self expression regardless how anybody feels about it
@@theR0ck3tsumm3r what about people like tyler the creator? i dont even know where he would fit
GXD at the end of the day, it’s up to the artist! Bro can literally pick Hip-Hop/Neo-Soul if he wanted to
@Emma XTC you mean shiloh dynasty?
I always thought rap stood for Rhythm And Poetry.
Clif Brohn it does
Exactly
Clif Brohn yeah but what he’s saying is that all of the music these people make has rhythm and poetry but it doesn’t actually belong in the same class
I just found that out
Rap is slang for talk.
Hip hop doesnt need a sub genre
Hip hop is the meeting point for sub genres
Any genre of music can be flipped to hip hop. Sooo... There u have it
Not true. Hip-Hop has it's origins in sampling of other genres and songs yes. But that core is alongside the "Boom-Bap" sound that was the other half to that equation.
Rap already has sub genres though
Agreed, but many people don't make the distinction. Especially, those who don't listen as frequent. We have Trap, Krunk, Mumble etc but to the outside ear it's just Rap, the same way a lot of people look at loud instrumental music as just Rock.
@@TheAlicea413 Let's not call it mumble. Melodic maybe. But no one's mumbling.
@@whoisjjcarr very true most modern rap is just not lyrical not really mumbling plus its been around since the start of rap
@@whoisjjcarr vro playboi carti and future both mumble .
Abstract Reality Tim Obviously, but mumble rap is a dumb term. Melodic Rap is a better term for rappers that are not necessarily lyrical and go for sound
Hate when ppl call new age rappers "mumble rappers". They clearly understand them but dont like the artist and call them mumble rappers as an insult. a REAL "'mumble" rapper is Future, i fw some of shit music but he really mumbles
1. Trap
2. Lyrical
3. Joe Budden
4. Boom Bap
5. Gangsta
6 Melodic
7.Lofi
8. Technical
9. Latin Hio-Hop
10. Conscience
Just off the top of my head
Old skool, g-funk, psychedelic, meme rap, battle rap, whatever rage against the machine does , emo rap, chicano rap,
Amen
That's an absolutely _terrible_ definition of "rapper". For one thing, plenty of singers are primarily known for their lyrical abilities (Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave and David Bowie all come to mind, just going off some of my favourites) - I think the definition should have more to do with the audience you're going for and the genre you're working in. Ogre, the singer of the 80s electro-industrial group Skinny Puppy - not only is he well known for his lyricism, but he often uses a vocal style that it's more rhythmic "spoken word" than melodic singing - But I doubt anyone here would call him a rapper....
Who’s y’all top 3 rappers right now? Mine are Kendrick, J. Cole, and J.I.D. Just my taste and personal top 3, Tyler and Carti round out my top 5 as far as my favorites
PrettyBoy Jimmi for favorites it’s Ski, Tech, And J Cole, with Kendrick and J.I.D rounding out the top 5
PrettyBoy Jimmi ye, jid, k dot (Kanye number one jid and Kendrick interchangeable)
Mine are Logic, Matt ox and Convolk
J.I.D, joey badass, and young thug
PrettyBoy Jimmi J.I.D, Kendrick, and NBA YoungBoy but my top list always mixes out so idk
You guys need to stop baiting me into watching these videos by putting J.I.D on the thumbnail
back in the 90s people used to sing on hooks too for example "bone thuggish ruggish bone" so all these melody's happening with rapping along with it
. its basically the same thing . your not a rockstar
It doesn’t need sub genres cuz that’s how rock fell off, to much variation
Thank you
It's gonna disappear either way.
I think rock fail off cause of how music production has advanced and also our society today. I believe music is a reflection of society.
Agreed, drake used to be a rapper back in the day until he switched up, he also isn’t a full fledged pop star cuz pop still resists him so he’s somehow stuck in the middle.
Drake's releases omerta, money in the grave and and he's not a rapper? Maybe both but he's definitely a rapper
Pop isn't a style pop is popular ... And drake is the most popular on earth or one of them therefore he is a pop star
@@italianstalian331 Rap is the biggest&most dynamic genre right now. And just cause Drake songs work outside of
hiphop that doesn't mean he isn't a rapper
@@abel8454 u can be a rapper and still be a pop star ...
Pop resisting Drake is like Honey resisting Bees.
Ok what about cloud rap, mumble rap, grime, lofi hip hop, trap rap, new jack swing, old school, country-rap, country- trap. West coast, east coast, southern rappers are all well defined sounds. Glitch rap, nu-metal, scream rap noise rap are all very prevalent and defined rap
Genres.
Until you acknowledge the "emo trap" wave, no not the juice wrld's and the trippie redd's I am talking the underground stars like convolk, drippin so pretty, guccihighwaters, yung van, guardin ect, don't talk about sub-genres. These artists are the true embodiment of sub-genres of rap. Guardin doesn't even consider himself a rapper but still fits into this underground scene which reflects almost no signs to the majority of rappers other than the trap instrumentals they tend to use most of the time.
I seriously make this point CONSTANTLY. Walking up to a fan of Kendrick Lamar, Eminem, Tupac and saying "Oh you like hip hop music, you must love Lil Yachty, Lil Pump, 21 Savage" is like walking up to someone who is a fan of Blink-182, Maroon 5, Coldplay and going "Oh, you like Rock music? You must be a fan of Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth. In Rock music, no one compares Cannibal Corpse to The Beatles, they immediately know that it's a ridiculous comparison to make. So why do they go Tupac: Rapper, Lil Yachty: Rapper, Tech N9ne: Rapper, Lil Xan: Rapper. Those are ridiculous comparisons.
It's because of this that I don't even try to find new music anymore. Everytime I want to find MY "The Mars Volta" I'm given a "Coldplay" or a "Judas Priest"! Not to mention I've gotta hear those "bands" everywhere I go. When I'm in the mood for those kinds of songs, I'd like to be able to find them, and when I'm not, I'd like to find my "Protest The Hero" easily.
Lil uzi's vibe gives you that rockstar feel like hes on top
@@imayhaveadhd You didnt have to think that way.
@@Bendanna93 I work on a navy base. That's how all these sailors joke around lol. I was never like this 10 years ago hahahah
@@imayhaveadhd oh I gotcha lol
Adding sub genres to rock killed rock.
Not saying its good or bad but once you have large subgenres it gets more broken down.
I saw a video once saying that the future is “mood” playlists. Not sure if I believe it but i know myself personally I categorize music myself by “moods”
I wouldn't call hip hops subgenres a problem.
Amazing video, as someone who loves talking about language, how we talk and the words we use, and hip-hop/rap, this is super important and relevant. I'd suggest looking deeper into this! Like maybe some collabs with SoundField or Volksgeist on YT (some of my fav music related channels) and do more talks on this. Love your vids and great shit as always man!
Rap has sub-generes the problem with these sub-generes is that some are arguably NOT hip-hop
Rap is not sung, it is a spoken. Rapping is speaking words with a rhythmic pattern.
It's just cool to be a rapper these days so some people embrace it, only to benefit from it (eg. Post Malone).
Yeah but the difference in rock you actually have to know your craft like how to play instruments. Yet rappers don’t even have to know how to rap. If a musician can’t play that well then their not a great musician. It should be the same for rappers.
It is def the same for rappers. Not anyone can just rap. Especially rap to where people actually like it.
Being a rapper and artist takes alot to be good. Because then everyone would be famous and big
Learning to sample like J Dilla is a craft in itself. Mixing and engineering songs is a craft. Rapping is a craft. There is just less focus on instruments as audio technology has evolved.
Are people really calling post Malone a a rapper? Also sub genres already exist
Calling it “mumble raps” isn’t that accurate and calling it “new wave rap” brought another issue. I mean it can’t be the new wave forever
New wave is actually a genre from the 80s. There's also NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) also from the 80s. We could call it "post-rap" but it doesn't make sense since it's still a very relevant genre.
IDK man. I'm not really into separating music into 100000 subgenres. I mean, sure, it's necessary for some music, not for rap.
Autotune
Its not that difficult all the guys you name on her are rappers...most of them just use a more melodic/pop delivery...such as Nelly, bone, outkast ect which we all consider rappers
Plus sonically they all rap/use melodies over hip hop production...the music is the main indicator of your genre
Then I guess U2 can sing on a hip hop beat and be considered rappers then.
If they’re known for sing songy flows more than lyrics I call them a harmonizer. They’re not really singers but create Melodies with their voice. So we got MCs, rappers, and harmonizers.
Main hip hop subgenres with examples
Old school (Grandmaster Flash)
Gangsta rap (N. W. A.)
Trap Rap (TI, Future, Gucci Mane)
Hyphy (Blueface, E-40)
Drill (Chief Keef, Lil Reese)
Emo Rap (Lil Peep, Lil Tracy)
Melodic Rap (Lil Uzi Vert, Young Thug)
Crunk (Lil Jon, Three 6 mafia)
Trillwave (Yung Lean, Bladee)
G-Funk (Dr Dre, Snoop dogg)
Experimental (Death Grips, Jpegmafia)
Rap Rock (Run DMC, Beastie Boys)
Punk Rap (Xxxtentacion, Zotiyac)
Boom Bap (Nas, Mobb Deep)
Trap Metal (Scarlxrd, Zillakami)
I listen to black metal and i fuckin love uzi my guy so saying that people who like rock don't listen to uzi is a understatement
Hip hop is a culture and at the same time a story like hip hop is actually an underground culture because in addition to rap, hip hop itself has always been a political aspect to name poverty and criticize the system, which is why there was a certain structure that hip hop with graffiti or with breakdancing associated because that was the origin. Nowadays it is almost no longer possible to criticize the system or to show off weapons or to show off what drugs you take. That destroys the culture itself and people increasingly associate what the beat is and isn't what you want to express and if you look at how other countries rap, it's more anti-social than political problems. And because of this anti-social rapping, rap wasn't one of my favorite genres when it comes to drugs or weapons just not good anymore
I like Post Malone, but a rapper he is not. He's a POP SINGER. He literally used the hip-hop platform as a springboard into the spotlight. He works with rappers, yes, but he himself has said he doesn't like hip-hop.
Even though there’s these different trends of dances come through every so often, the art of breakin is still very much alive, and it grows across the globe constantly, the level breakers have reached is beyond crazy ✌🏾
Naz Islam
I miss the days when dance was creative and free flowing. Now kids/teenagers hardly dance and mainstream dance moves are trash.
Ragecore, Emorap, Trap, and Melodic Trap are all genres that a lot of the people in my community associate with... They are all subgenres of hip hop to some degree...
Can we not just refer to them as artists with their own unique style instead of rappers
Term pop itself isn't necessary a specific genre, more a transcendent term where a popular song or element transcends its typical enviorment.... also Pop is short for Popular, as in popular music... popular music technically is not genre specific, although many over the years have tried to label it that way, it changes over time by the demand of what the audience of that particular time dictates...
What about Phonk Trillwave Alternative Hip Hop Trap Horrorcore Shadow Rap Conscious boombap ect.
EastcoastChris TV Not used enough-even in trap u got more singing auto tune ppls and just energetic more rapping style ppls-And ppl say that Denzel is trap but that’s mainly just because of the beats-his trap style isn’t anything like things anyone else calls trap
Interesting. This needs further reassessment
Now this is a movement I can get behind
Lyrical content is what u get from lyrical rappers like jid
The sing song appeal that u mentioned can be straight pop ex yk Osiris but it's melodic rap if they sing and rap but do more rapping than singing ex roddy rich lil skies
Defining "rapper" just by a focus on lyricism is seriously short sighted though... Loads of other genres focus in on lyrics. Some singer/songwriters like Leonard Cohen are honestly better known as poets than musicians.
It's more about the nuances and feel of the record, especially when it comes to the 'hardness' of the production. J Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Future are pop RnB acts disguised as hip hop acts. J Cole and Kendrick make soft, singy songy music (J Cole especially). Kendrick is a little more 'weird' in presentation but his whole sound is designed to be hot with casuals.
tochiRTA TPAB was casual? I don’t know bout that vro
You’ve never heard of metal subgenres haha it’s 40 times worse
I dont even consider post malone a rapper, at best he sings on a rappers flow, i cant name a song where he straight up just raps only, hes really just a pop singer, but he has dreads and face tats and wears chains so we call him a rapper
neither does himself tho
lesss go
Graff still essential sir
Can we stop calling post Malone a rapper he himself doesn’t want to be labeled a rapper and if rapper isn’t good enough for him he shouldn’t be
Post malone isn’t a rapper he’s a POP artist.
i dont even fuck w kanye like that but hes not just a rapper..
I, really, appreciate this topic. I listen to a lot of genres and subgenres but to the outside ear it's all too similar. I say I listen to Rock and Metal but to anybody who listens to Rock and Metal, there's no just Rock and Metal. I feel the same about Hip Hop and Rap; even Hip Hop and Rap are separate entities. With subgenres to Hip Hop, it'll be more convenient to market and research individual sounds.
Technically. But then Rock is a subgenre to Blues
@Luke Wilson melody, cleanliness of instrumental, tempo, vocal ranges, complexity/simplicity of sound design etc
@Luke Wilson by the way, you were great in Idiocracy lmfao
Nope, sub genre breed division, hip hop don't divide it evolves.
Lil naz x isn’t rap tbh. It’s more pop.
I think for the most part with hip hop it's just a "if you know you know" thing when it comes to distinguishing artists, styles, and sounds.
they are rappers if they started off making rap music they are on rap platforms . they probably was influenced by other rappers to start rapping no matter how lyrical or not they are they are still rappers what the hell do you call it then
Please don't use the 'rockstar' argument. When artists like Lil Uzi say they are rockstars, they don't mean what genre of music they make, but the type of lifestyle he lives - The Rockstar Lifestyle
There’s already some sub genres for rap but there might need to be more
@Hyper Dragon Anaconda psychedelic? Isnt that the same as trip hop?
Its not that sub genres don't exist, its that was don't use the language weve been given to accurately describe these artists.
I’m a rapper
Youre a wrapper
I disagree sub genres divide people and kill genres look at rock
Griselda‼definitely rappers‼🎙
post is not a rapper.....
please stop it already...
You forgot the beatbox
Kanye is also a producer and has delve into rock and church scene as of recently
Another Great Video
They are subgenres but should be used more
Loving the constant uploads my brotha😎
yeah... with the same lame ass beat on the background they've had for 3 years now
Anyone else see logic in the bottom right
Here’s a slept on Subgenre of rap/hip hop that needs more love...
*L* *O* *F* *I* *R* *A* *P*
Aka my genre of music
Why is *J I D* on the thumbnail??
Hip hop already has subgenres.
Trap, bass, bounce, hardcore, mafioso, experimental, cloud, etc
Man I’ve been saying this for years , finally someone made a video to it
Rap already has sub genres?
Amen
You should do a vid about Houston rap culture
Or texas in general. Before the travis Scott era
It ain't Breakdancing
It's Breaking or BBoying
Solution. Why don’t you create they genres and we list the rappers that fit in said genre
That's about rigjt
I think they just need to get all the rappers together, you know, smoke up, bullshit some, and decide on what the sub genres of rap need to be. No labels, no bullshit, and no outside voices coming in.
Oh yeah, and plenty of big booty bitches