It's not discomfort, well not in that sense. It's more that he's not quite sure how to react because he can clearly see John was effected by the news and as any normal person would, didn't want this news to cause John any kind of pain. There is also a hint of shame, not because he himself has done anything, but more the same type of shame you see people feel when they see other people treat someone badly simply because of who they were. Wishing someone had put a stop to it since they themselves can't exactly go back in time to change the mind of biggots. You can't even change the mind of biggots in todays world you can only challenge their views.
He's not upset in the terms of anger or rage. He is emotionally upset (upset/thrown off). In our community, we are told time and time again that "you're not born gay, you chose it." Having someone sit you down and confirm for you that contrary to what you've been told by other people your ENTIRE life, you ARE born gay! Just watching this video is awe-inspiring in my eyes.
The larger conversion that is not being had is " why is it so important for homosexuality to be seen as being chosen "? The reason for this is that, before something can be seen as being wrong, it first must be seen as being chosen, and therefore subconsciously worthy of contempt and hatred through subjective comparison. The reason that we never hear the term "heterosexual lifestyle " is because there is no need to categorize heterosexuality with such descriptively inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison.
@@NatManzano Pan an bi dont differ much . Despite pan being all, some bi dont mind post op Trans to their desired gender preference, which makes them fall in a pan sub category . An ace or demi would show up as bi because like Pans they are attracted to who they're attracted to gender doesnt matter. Sexuality preferences are an interesting subject.
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@@dwightk.schrute6743 the progress is patchy at best. There was a study a couple of months ago from Denmark, a country which was first in introducing laws for same-sex relationships in 1989. After 30yrs around 30% of the male population still disagreed with the law.
Some of the people on here are completely ridiculous.... you've just watched this and literally been proven wrong but you're still saying people choose to be gay?? No. People can choose to conform to society and what the people around them want. They can choose who to be with and whether or not they want their lives to be easier! A man can marry a woman, and have kids etc but still be gay! And it's bad enough straight people on here saying they choose it.... but for gay people saying it, your just giving everyone more ammo against the LGBT community and giving smallminded people more reason to hate you. I actually think what John did is amazing, and you can see from his emotion towards the end how much it means to him that he has proven it... so to still say that's wrong? I think that's just denial tbh. Ok, I'll stop ranting now! :P
Neither can we choose mental illness or habitual tendencies, nor fetishes, but much like these things they are all circumstantial to how we are raised. Furthermore, scientist have never proven there was a gay gene, and furthermore, with the advancements in epigenetics scientists are starting to discover that behavior from past generations can be genetically inherited from other generations, and it has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with behavior. Furthermore, Rome had a societal standard of beauty, it was youthfulness and hairlessness, the thing about Rome was that the men were often attracted to little boys as well as women. Sexuality has, and never will be definitive, every piece of consecutive evidence points to it being a behavioral phenomenon being caused be ancestors having scandalous behavior, and the point is furthered more by the fact that 2016 America encouraging sexuality has drastically different preferences and has documentation of proof of men's preferences in women changing with continuous exposure to pornography or exposure to naked women in general or in other words desensitization to women, it is by no means at all, implausible. It's strange how politics can be shoved so far into science that we start saying that if there is a correlation it is automatically true, or purposefully ignoring cases that disagree with a political idea or principle. It is just disgusting.
Sam They never wanted to prove there's a "gay gene", being gay is caused by a hormonal disbalance in the womb. So for example boys with many older brother and girls with many older sisters happen to be gay much more often because the testosterone or in female cases the oestrogen and progesterone isn't that much anymore in the womb as it would be with a first child.
@@FirstnameLastname-gr5kb thats proven to be false as well, you arent born gay or straight thats wrong bruh. There are scientists showing that statement of yours to be false and not right because there is no clear evidence
@@ttamcc.4674 Nah that's wrong. You can look it up, it's usually predetermined by hormonal balance in the womb as well as hormonal balance in the own body later. That doesn't mean you have a sexuality as a child, but it is usually already predetermined when you are a child. However, sexuality can be fluctuant.
This is where the good Christians show themselves. They have to absolutely no compassion whatever for how it feels to be continually told that you are " evil, immoral, sick, perverted, degenerative etc. For something that you can't help, and harms Noone.
It's crazy how being gay happens, it just does, i didn't know it until i realised i was bi. Heterosexuals can say so many things against us but, they will never know how it is to unwillingly be LGBT. I never wanted to be bi. I saw the discrimination against us in my family and everywhere and I was convinced that I was not gonna be bi or gay. Now i'm proud to say that I'm bi. There is one thing people agains us do that is repeat the words of others cus they just don't know how it is to be like us.
I'm torn as a christian and as a gay man....I don't like relying on science to let me know that I'm normal or that I was born how I am now, but it is comforting to see a celebrity that even I have dreamed of reacting in such a humanistic manner because honestly is it neccessary that we go through all the tests and struggles and political/religious debates to be socially acceptable? and by the way....I heart torchwood!
I adore John Barrowman, and I love his reaction to the results of these tests. As a straight woman who has many gay friends of both sexes, I've always believed that a gay person is born gay just as a white person is born white, a black person is born black, etc. It's not a choice, it's just a fact. I've even gone so far as to ask the parents of pretty much all of my gay friends when they first noticed that their kids might have been gay and all of them said they noticed signs in early childhood.
@@MillwallRobestI'm a gay man as well and your right thats silly being attracted at birth. I know its not a choice either. I knew i was different but realized i was gay around 14/15
i think instead of arguing over whether or not people are "born" gay we simply have to just accept that some people are gay and move on. it's the 21st century, it shouldn't be a big deal anymore, and judging on how open minded today's youth is in the next 50 to 100 years it probably won't be.
It's just ignorant to say that being homosexual is something you choose. Of course it is not. Do people actually believe you would make a choice which leads to being discriminated, hated and abused? When I came to terms with my sexuality, I didn't embrace it. I was afraid for myself and those around me, and what those around me would think, and if I at that time had another choice I probably would have taken it. But I am glad that I didn't as I today am openly gay and proud to be so! A sexuality is based on your feelings, not your actions. Feeling attraction towards somebody is not a choice. Deciding to act on them is what is a choice. And why should I not be allowed to act on my feelings just as everybody else around me is doing? Because of what a book might possibly say, if you interpret it strangely? I believe in equality for everybody, no matter gender, age, sexuality or ethnicity etc, and compromising basic human rights based on something that one did not choose is straight out rude and disrespectful. Obviously people disagree with my opinion, since this is an issue to begin with, and in my eyes, it's actually rather sad that a person is so caught up in their beliefs that they'd be willing to belittle or discriminate another person.
that argument is stupid,i dont think its always choice but there are alot of things people do and still get discrimated for,eating meat and smoking is bad for your health but people still do it because they are in love with and addicted to it and cant find the urge ,same could be said with paedos and henephilia but these thigs are bad becuase it negatively affects others,i thinks some people are born gay and some people are bornn bisexual but choose to be gay so thats the reason i think the environment can have an affect on bisexual people
Your reply made me want to cry. I'm not gay myself btw. No one has the right to make you feel less than anyone else, to discriminate, to belittle you, abuse you or to make you feel afraid of being who you are.
i didn't have a choice in my sexuality, to think that someone who choose to be gay is ridiculous, why would you "choose" to be regarded as a second class citizen? why would you choose to be face ridicule, to lose your job, to be attacked simply because you're gay? as the research continues, more and more evidence is produced that its biology / genetics more than anything.
Wow. That made me cry. Weird. Didn't know it actually meant that much to me...hearing a professional say that it's something you're born with. Makes me feel less damaged.
Thank god for John Barrowman. As a bisexual and possibly lesbian teenager, I am just so glad that he did this and that he is open about his views on sexuality because (as stupid as this may sound) it's actually made me feel a lot better because I really like Barrowman and his singing and acting and I have tremendous respect for him as an artist/performer. So... yay!
sorry john... it's been 9 years but this really hasn't changed the stigma at all. wish it had. i got real emotional with him, it's honestly really good to know science backs us up, even if some people don't want to believe in science.
I am bisexual. Not straight, not gay. Those people who say "I was gay but now I'm not" are or were confused. You can tell what you are really easily based on your attraction. That natural arousal that comes spontaneously when thinking about things. There are also people who lie, who try to force themselves to believe they're not gay because people make them feel like they are the worst things just for being themselves.
Saying you disagree with homosexuality because of your religion is like saying you disagree with someone who is eating a donut because you're on a diet; it's irrelevant.
I really don't think it matters whether a person's sexuality is determined by nature, nurture or a mixture of both, not in terms of whether or not the behaviour should be accepted. It's their life, it makes them happy (or at least gives them the same shot at happiness as the rest of the population has) and it doesn't hurt them or anyone else, so why police it? This kind of information is interesting but I don't think the whole LGBT rights movement should rest on it. But that's only my opinion as a straight ally.
wait, the data was partial. how did he perform in the tasks that heterosexual men perform strongly on? maybe he was off the charts in that as well? maybe he is just all around awesome?
My nephew was 3yo when my mother and I thought he was gay...he came out at 18, we said we already knew, now at 33 he's a productive and amazing person his mom & dad had no idea😂❤
My nephew had a playmate as a young boy. ( 3 to 6) my sister said to her husband about the playmate: " there is something about that little boy. He is going to be gay" and sure enough, she was right. I knew a woman who said that she knew since he was three years old that her son was gay.( different person).
I think that you are born with your sexuality but whether or not you choose to act on it is a result of your upbringing and/or environment. That is my personal opinion so please don't flame me! But I can say, as a bisexual girl, that I would probably deny my sexuality if I were raised to be less tolerant. Also, my best friend was raised in a very conservative, anti-gay family but he has extremely open-minded friends so he chose to come out of the closet. Your environment just helps you accept it
I personally don't think that you can be born gay, but that doesn't mean I think it is a choice. I just think that whatever the cause may be, it is not genetic.
I hate the fact that this reinforces gender binary. Why are we so obsessed with finding differences between men, women, homosexual people, etc? Why don't just say, some people are like this, some people are like that, ignoring gender and sexual orientation? This upsets me.
I was so mesmerized by John's utter overabundance of feels in reaction to the evidence that I tried to plug my apple charger into my wireless mouse instead of my ipod.
If sexual orientation is actually determined before one is born (as in this video they're trying to prove and as I myself strongly believe), this news will really challenge people. One has to face with this new reality. One has to abandon one's remissive attitude against their offspring. This is the first change in mentality that new generations of parents should strive to do. Actually familiar environment is the cradle of society. Changes should involve ordinary families first. That is my point
ohhhh I LOVE BEING GAY!!! this proves what ive ALWAYS said.. we r woman smart and intelligent aswell and witty,but in a mans body! i love that im gay.. were the best species of MEN there are on this planet!
J StarMoore you're not that smart, here's how : are, witty, (a space after), I, gay.., we're, "species of men" species is an entire race, not a gender, there is.
+Moyette Morgan it's just the way our brains process things I think, like lets say the theory of our colours not being others colours, maybe something like that?
This poor man! I never realized how painful this life can be for gay men. John is such a dear person. I am sad that people like me just don't understand. I am pleased to see him taking the reigns on this.
I really don't know which way I prefer to think on whether it's something you're born with or something learned. Foremost I think it's sad it even has to matter. A person should be able to love who they love or have the mannerisms which make them most comfortable regardless of whether it's been programmed into their genetics or whether they just want to be that way. I suppose I've read too many sci-fi but I have this idea in my head of people being "tested" for their orientation and labeled.
At one time, I believed it was a sin. Then I opened my eyes and stopped swallowing everything that was fed to me. What's your excuse? I'm done. Neither of us will be changing our minds any time soon, and I'm not going to argue in vain.
oh LAWD! if i hear one more person saying that being gay is a sin i am going to scream!!! IT IS PERFECTLY FINE!!! i have friends who are gay and they are some of the nicest people i know. it's like a whole personality gets swallowed up once people figure out someone is gay and you don't think about anything else. people who are gay can also be, funny, sweet, good friends and just great! so why does it matter so much? NO SIN THERE! JUST LIFE! love is beautiful no matter who it's between
i know a couple of people who have. they weren't gay for long, and only because they were confused or just thought they were gay. but a few people really have been changed, just over time they started liking different things
@lachinx It's not just religious people. It's people in general who feel that being different is something to fear. It's the culture as well. As a person we are not influenced by outside media to be this accepting and loving person and to be open minded about things. Not all religious folk hate gays, in fact there are quite a few people right now who are getting their churches to stop anti-gay advertising. As a Catholic girl I've never hated gays. Nobody in my family has. It's not what we do.
To a certain degree, I do agree with what you say. However, they did mention previous tests on other homosexuals. We don't know that sample size and demographics, but the fact that similar results are found can at least create a foundation.
@zettadom and the whole "female sexuality is more fluid" thing never fails to make me roll my eyes as a polysexual man. I don't see how sexuality is different amongst genders. it's a very complex thing, for EVERYONE. you can't just group all women together and say "their sexuality is more malleable!" society PERCEIVES sexuality differently, but that doesn't mean it is. ever heard of sexism? women being objectified is why two women kissing is generally more accepted.
It used to matter to me that we were 'born gay'-I know I was and I think everyone comes into this world with their orientation pretty much set. Those that argue otherwise are 1 not gay themselves and 2 want us to be seen as making this choice so that we can unmake it. All of this is true, but not my point anymore. I don't care if 'they' think we are born str8 or gay because it is not their business whatsoever if I am innately gay or if it is a choice. WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER-GET USED TO IT!!!!
thanx john barrowman because i know a few people who are gay that are scared to tell people and thanx to you for having the courage to get married and not be afraid to show yourself for you....... you have managed to bring hope in the minds of 1000's of men and women locked up and scared of the world because society is outcasting them for beinb themselves
to categorize the information given in the documentary as scientific, it has to be approved of taking place in a medical journal (preferably in a prestigious one) or at least, they have to refer to an article for what they say. what literature and articles are bbc documentaries based on? to me, coming up with a such precise thesis is very speculative since there is a continuous progress of studies related to brain function differences in different sexual orientations or sex
This is pattern and generalisation. Women, generally, are more verbal, men more analytical. We tend to choose our field of work based on our strengths. I would venture a guess, straight or gay, someone who's a performer, would be stronger in their verbal abilities.I've not watched the whole programme as of yet. Intuitively, it seems right, they just need to prove the hypothesis that sexuality is inborn.
That is true. I went to 3 different Catholic schools(elem, highschool and uni). We were never ever taught to hate, isolate or discriminate anyone. It was all about love thy neighbor. Homosexuality wasn't even an issue. It was discussed it class but never as if they were a different specie, but more to love and to accept. I don't understand why some churches who believe in God teach and tolerate violence against other human beings. The thought of it gives me chills.
Well, the question is, does restingontherock have an issue with the sex or the preference in gender? The sin isn't being gay, it's the sex. Because Christians are taught that sex is for married couples to have kids. If I'm wrong, correct me.
It wasn't peer reviewed but the documentary was 'The Secret Life of Twins' carried out by Dr Robert Winston and perhaps it was a mistake to present the existence of sexuality genes as the only and arbitrary factor in sexuality as it is complex, but Dr Simon LeVay didn't reject the idea of genetic factors: "[I]t is possible to construct a hypothesis whereby both 'gay genes' and a desire to be homosexual are necessary for a person actually to become homosexual." (Chapter 12: Science and the Law)
It's important to note that these studies only show CORRELATIONS between sexual orientation and other gender traits (such as spatial orientation, etc.). There will actually be gay men who will score in the more male-typical direction and straight men who will score in the more female-typical direction on these tests. There is nothing wrong with the studies, but from experience people tend to use them to justify stereotyping and assuming that all gay men have a certain set of gender traits.
pilotrieul that is exactly what i think. The majority of gay men are more or less feminine, so i am not surprised if they have brain similarities with women. The same for lesbian women. But there's also a minority of gay men that is masculine. I would be curious to know the results of these studies done with gay men who are are REALLY masculine. These studies talk about gay men in general. But among gay men there are different personalities, feminine and masculine. And i don't think they have the same identical brain.
Absolutely - I wasn't sure what homosexuality was. You are right. But because I can look in retrospect, as I obviously know what homosexuality is now, I can see that it the beginning of my consciousness of my sexuality. Also, I didn't play much with boys, I played with dolls with girls. The attraction to boys wasn't of the team kind. In regards to the inaccuracies in the science - we are 500 years more developed now, hence the VAST increase in accuracy.
This is not conclusive evidence. Anyone can choose who they physically sleep with; that's just common sense. As far as attraction goes though, we can "learn" to favor what we are attracted to in many ways.
It validates what you've always known, but you have so many people, all your life telling you the opposite of what you experience,that you grow to doubt yourself.Sadly all the scientific tests in the world won't convince some people that it is not a choice but maybe these tests will help "us" stop doubting ourselves.
Yes she is, her use of 'there' instead of 'their' in her comments bothered me so much more than her opinion. Her use of there once could have been a mistake but after the third one, shows her level of literacy. I am normally very tolerant to mistakes and opinions but this just made me think 'idiot' and glad someone here thinks the same. So thank you. [I am christian and prefer to have an honest 'gay' friend than a liar 'straight' friend].
It is known that at the same times as the Greeks, other cultures frowned upon homosexuality. You are right in regards to certain societies accepting and not accepting homosexuality; however accepting it or not, it still exists within the population. Sexuality and sexual acts are not the same. As a homosexual, I could have sexual intercourse with a woman, but that wouldn't make me heterosexual, but merely the act is typical of heterosexuals.
I hope no one will start throwing hate comments at me for saying this, but I don't really understand the problem if it turns out people DO choose to be gay. I mean... It's no big deal at all. Whether they prefer women or men, whether they choose to prefer women or men... Why's that a problem? Why's that a big deal? I wasn't born to dislike rap music, but I (somehow) chose that later in life. What's the problem with that...? Could anyone please explain it all to me?
@surfer53 I want more acceptance for the gay community because I feel that all the gay teens need support, discovering that your predominantly attracted to the same sex can be a tough thing to go through. A bunch of social stigma being attached to that attraction can make impressionable kids and teens feel really horrible about themselves. As you can see, I really hate that stigma.
And this wasn't much further down that I thought might be worth mentioning. From Abstract, first line: "The present study sought to expand the limited evidence that sexual orientation is influenced by genetic factors." Last: "The findings suggest that a connection may exist between sexual orientation and genes both on chromosome 9 (where blood type is determined) and on chromosome 1 (where the Rh factor is regulated)." Archives of Sexual Behavior February 2008, Volume 37, Issue 1, pp 145-149
Still... Things like verbal skill depend largelly on your education. No i'm not saying education determines your sexual orientation, i'm just saying that the skills they tested are deeply influenced by the environment. For example in an environment where most kids read a lot their verbal and literary skills would be better, but there wouldn't be more gay boys and straight women... I think more research would be interesting. Not to "make people straight" or anything crazy like that, of course. Just out of curiosity.
I think it's brilliant that people are trying to find out what makes a person 'gay,' and not meaning it to sound cruel. If people understand what makes someone homosexual then maybe there wont be as much prejudice against them. I personally don't see what people have against the gay population, I have gay friends and they're just like anyone else! Saying this was it just my funny eye sight or was the scienticst looking kind of scared/freaked out at the end when he was telling John the results?
@Aldenissin So what? What bothers me is someone who doesn't even know their own book. I myself am a Christian and I am also gay. I see nothing that contradicts in these two worlds as I ACTUALLY READ and look for the meaning or symbolism behind things rather than quoting a few out of context snippets. What bothers me is how you've got such a GIANT log in your own eye and you can't even see it while you're trying to pick at the thorns of other people.
it makes sense that gay men and straight women have similarly functioning brains. brain function would influence the gender of the person you are attracted to. they should really say "people who are sexually attracted to men perform in *such and such* a way on these tests".
he's an actor and a singer, among other things... isn't being verbose pretty natural for artists in general? just sayin'... i get that explaining away personality traits by biology and genetics is very liberating for many people and helps them through a lot of stigma (it helped me at first)- and it also helps a lot of people accept us, but i personally think it's got more to do with what happens after birth and is similar to how all our other personality traits develop over time.
It isn't really sexist or homophobic, it is a impartial test. Yes there are differences in the way male and female brains work, on average, but the important thing to remember is just because women on average are better at one thing doesn't mean all women are good at it and doesn't mean men are bad at it - it is just a average. And if gay male brains average closer to straight female brains then that is scientifically intriguing.
@surfer53 some people do. Now that it's socially acceptable to be gay it's almost like it's encouraged, especially in certain cultures, to the point where it's "in" to be gay or bi, so lots of people just do it cos they want to try it and stuff. For the most part it's completely a part of their biological and chemical make up, but the society we live in and the attitudes they have shape us as much as our DNA. Homosexuality is just another part of the nature/nurture debate
I think this is all very nice and pretty--processed, digested, and ready to swallow--but it completely ignores (and therefore erases) a lot of people: people whose sexuality is fluid, polysexual people (or what, do they have an androgynous brain?), people who choose their sexuality (some people can choose, others can't. I can't, but that doesn't mean I'll ignore those who can), etc. when will anyone acknowledge the complexity of sexuality? it's not always a static, black-and-white issue.
@surfer53 I understand what you're trying to say, but I think your missing the point of gays wanting more acceptance. When you flirt with a woman, there probably isn't any social stigma against you doing so, but for a man flirting with a man, the situation is quite a bit different. Personally, the reason I want more social acceptance for our community is not because I think I'm all that.
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are we seriously not gonna comment on "you are off the scale"?
"You viewing figures just went up ladies?"
John Just look in mirror!!
The discomfort in the guys face when John is saying "Hoorah". LOL
you could see he was kinda fearing for his life on camera lol
Shayy Renee I was dying lmaoooo
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It's not discomfort, well not in that sense. It's more that he's not quite sure how to react because he can clearly see John was effected by the news and as any normal person would, didn't want this news to cause John any kind of pain. There is also a hint of shame, not because he himself has done anything, but more the same type of shame you see people feel when they see other people treat someone badly simply because of who they were. Wishing someone had put a stop to it since they themselves can't exactly go back in time to change the mind of biggots. You can't even change the mind of biggots in todays world you can only challenge their views.
@@dcworld4349 You've defined it accurately and intelligently.
You are born who you are, straight, gay, bisexual, lesbian, be true thine self..love you all, I don't care how other people live their lives,
He's not upset in the terms of anger or rage. He is emotionally upset (upset/thrown off). In our community, we are told time and time again that "you're not born gay, you chose it." Having someone sit you down and confirm for you that contrary to what you've been told by other people your ENTIRE life, you ARE born gay! Just watching this video is awe-inspiring in my eyes.
The larger conversion that is not being had is " why is it so important for homosexuality to be seen as being chosen "? The reason for this is that, before something can be seen as being wrong, it first must be seen as being chosen, and therefore subconsciously worthy of contempt and hatred through subjective comparison. The reason that we never hear the term "heterosexual lifestyle " is because there is no need to categorize heterosexuality with such descriptively inherent connotative oversimplification in order to subconsciously justify contempt and hatred through subjective comparison.
So it's your choice to be born white, brown or black. And it's your choice to be born poor and rich? God made us who we are.
Come to think of it no one likes to be discriminated or persecuted for being gay so it's not a choice.
And we still have this kind of problem 10 years later🙃
Gay men think like straight women? Of course we do, we both like men!
I'd like to see something like this done with a lesbian.
Eric Toribio The question I'm asking myself is: How would bi people be on these tests?
there are two types of bisexual,one born straight and one born gay
@@vantablack5690 that's doesn't make sense...
Maybe we’ll get (im bi) neutral in everything hehehe
@@vantablack5690 that's like saying animals were born herbivor and carnivore
but what about pansexual people would we just break the machine
Everyone is pansexual. They just don't know it yet
+hexum7 I'll be glad when we get ride of sexuality and romantic preferences and just be like 'I like that person'
I am pansexual and I scored right in the middle, having a bisexual mind that defies bigender schemes.
@@NatManzano Pan an bi dont differ much . Despite pan being all, some bi dont mind post op Trans to their desired gender preference, which makes them fall in a pan sub category . An ace or demi would show up as bi because like Pans they are attracted to who they're attracted to gender doesnt matter. Sexuality preferences are an interesting subject.
@@KuroYukia pan doesn't exist
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Omg I'm probably gay lol ❤️xx
I felt myself tear up a little when I saw how emotional he got.
“You were oFf tHE sCaLe” that was the cheese to my toast
I literally came here right from watching Ianto's death...
Omg so did I haha
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This comment is two years old however I speak from experience when I say it takes longer than two years to get over so hello, hope you’re doing okay. Read fanfiction. It helps.
Watching this in 2019 oh my god the progress we have made is crazy and thank god for it 😂
@Savannah Rey Jealous?
@@dwightk.schrute6743 the progress is patchy at best. There was a study a couple of months ago from Denmark, a country which was first in introducing laws for same-sex relationships in 1989. After 30yrs around 30% of the male population still disagreed with the law.
Some of the people on here are completely ridiculous.... you've just watched this and literally been proven wrong but you're still saying people choose to be gay?? No. People can choose to conform to society and what the people around them want. They can choose who to be with and whether or not they want their lives to be easier! A man can marry a woman, and have kids etc but still be gay! And it's bad enough straight people on here saying they choose it.... but for gay people saying it, your just giving everyone more ammo against the LGBT community and giving smallminded people more reason to hate you. I actually think what John did is amazing, and you can see from his emotion towards the end how much it means to him that he has proven it... so to still say that's wrong? I think that's just denial tbh. Ok, I'll stop ranting now! :P
Neither can we choose mental illness or habitual tendencies, nor fetishes, but much like these things they are all circumstantial to how we are raised.
Furthermore, scientist have never proven there was a gay gene, and furthermore, with the advancements in epigenetics scientists are starting to discover that behavior from past generations can be genetically inherited from other generations, and it has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with behavior.
Furthermore, Rome had a societal standard of beauty, it was youthfulness and hairlessness, the thing about Rome was that the men were often attracted to little boys as well as women.
Sexuality has, and never will be definitive, every piece of consecutive evidence points to it being a behavioral phenomenon being caused be ancestors having scandalous behavior, and the point is furthered more by the fact that 2016 America encouraging sexuality has drastically different preferences and has documentation of proof of men's preferences in women changing with continuous exposure to pornography or exposure to naked women in general or in other words desensitization to women, it is by no means at all, implausible.
It's strange how politics can be shoved so far into science that we start saying that if there is a correlation it is automatically true, or purposefully ignoring cases that disagree with a political idea or principle.
It is just disgusting.
Sam You literally said "furthermore" 3 times, maybe Jack should help you find synonyms since he's so good at that😂 just kidding
Sam They never wanted to prove there's a "gay gene", being gay is caused by a hormonal disbalance in the womb. So for example boys with many older brother and girls with many older sisters happen to be gay much more often because the testosterone or in female cases the oestrogen and progesterone isn't that much anymore in the womb as it would be with a first child.
@@FirstnameLastname-gr5kb thats proven to be false as well, you arent born gay or straight thats wrong bruh. There are scientists showing that statement of yours to be false and not right because there is no clear evidence
@@ttamcc.4674 Nah that's wrong. You can look it up, it's usually predetermined by hormonal balance in the womb as well as hormonal balance in the own body later. That doesn't mean you have a sexuality as a child, but it is usually already predetermined when you are a child. However, sexuality can be fluctuant.
The look of absolute relief on John was heart rending
This is where the good Christians show themselves. They have to absolutely no compassion whatever for how it feels to be continually told that you are " evil, immoral, sick, perverted, degenerative etc. For something that you can't help, and harms Noone.
That is true but homophobia only exists in one species.
It's crazy how being gay happens, it just does, i didn't know it until i realised i was bi. Heterosexuals can say so many things against us but, they will never know how it is to unwillingly be LGBT. I never wanted to be bi. I saw the discrimination against us in my family and everywhere and I was convinced that I was not gonna be bi or gay. Now i'm proud to say that I'm bi. There is one thing people agains us do that is repeat the words of others cus they just don't know how it is to be like us.
That's very wrong.
this dude I'm so glad that you're now proud to say you're bi
How did you know you were Bi and at what age
20 years old, watched the lion King, got weird feelings for simba.
"You viewing figures just went up ladies?"
If you listen closely you can here millions of fan girls squealing in excitement.
I crack up every time she says gAy BrAiNs
What about people who are bi, pan or ace/aro? What would their results be for the tests. I'm really curious about that now
The amount of ignorant comments on this video is genuinely astonishing!!
I’m so friggin mad that:
SPOILER ALERT
John got 3rd on I’m a Celebrity 2018.
Brooke Chadburn I KNOW!!!I wanted him to win.😭
Probably cause he’s gay
I'm torn as a christian and as a gay man....I don't like relying on science to let me know that I'm normal or that I was born how I am now, but it is comforting to see a celebrity that even I have dreamed of reacting in such a humanistic manner because honestly is it neccessary that we go through all the tests and struggles and political/religious debates to be socially acceptable? and by the way....I heart torchwood!
I adore John Barrowman, and I love his reaction to the results of these tests. As a straight woman who has many gay friends of both sexes, I've always believed that a gay person is born gay just as a white person is born white, a black person is born black, etc. It's not a choice, it's just a fact. I've even gone so far as to ask the parents of pretty much all of my gay friends when they first noticed that their kids might have been gay and all of them said they noticed signs in early childhood.
As a gay man I’m sorry to say I disagree how can you feel sexually attracted to someone at birth
@@MillwallRobestI'm a gay man as well and your right thats silly being attracted at birth. I know its not a choice either. I knew i was different but realized i was gay around 14/15
i think instead of arguing over whether or not people are "born" gay we simply have to just accept that some people are gay and move on. it's the 21st century, it shouldn't be a big deal anymore, and judging on how open minded today's youth is in the next 50 to 100 years it probably won't be.
It's just ignorant to say that being homosexual is something you choose. Of course it is not. Do people actually believe you would make a choice which leads to being discriminated, hated and abused? When I came to terms with my sexuality, I didn't embrace it. I was afraid for myself and those around me, and what those around me would think, and if I at that time had another choice I probably would have taken it. But I am glad that I didn't as I today am openly gay and proud to be so!
A sexuality is based on your feelings, not your actions. Feeling attraction towards somebody is not a choice. Deciding to act on them is what is a choice. And why should I not be allowed to act on my feelings just as everybody else around me is doing? Because of what a book might possibly say, if you interpret it strangely? I believe in equality for everybody, no matter gender, age, sexuality or ethnicity etc, and compromising basic human rights based on something that one did not choose is straight out rude and disrespectful. Obviously people disagree with my opinion, since this is an issue to begin with, and in my eyes, it's actually rather sad that a person is so caught up in their beliefs that they'd be willing to belittle or discriminate another person.
that argument is stupid,i dont think its always choice but there are alot of things people do and still get discrimated for,eating meat and smoking is bad for your health but people still do it because they are in love with and addicted to it and cant find the urge ,same could be said with paedos and henephilia but these thigs are bad becuase it negatively affects others,i thinks some people are born gay and some people are bornn bisexual but choose to be gay so thats the reason i think the environment can have an affect on bisexual people
@@deonfenbauercomments3990 they literally just said current science indicates the brain may be wired that way while in the womb... 😂
deonfenbauer comments Is this a choice you, yourself would need to make? If not, don’t assume it’s easy for others.
Your reply made me want to cry. I'm not gay myself btw. No one has the right to make you feel less than anyone else, to discriminate, to belittle you, abuse you or to make you feel afraid of being who you are.
Aww he looks so stressed. I love John he's so funny and sweet.
i didn't have a choice in my sexuality, to think that someone who choose to be gay is ridiculous, why would you "choose" to be regarded as a second class citizen? why would you choose to be face ridicule, to lose your job, to be attacked simply because you're gay? as the research continues, more and more evidence is produced that its biology / genetics more than anything.
Wow. That made me cry. Weird. Didn't know it actually meant that much to me...hearing a professional say that it's something you're born with. Makes me feel less damaged.
WoW, John Barrowman is so Cute & handsome,. I just love Him :D he is amazing guy.
Thank god for John Barrowman. As a bisexual and possibly lesbian teenager, I am just so glad that he did this and that he is open about his views on sexuality because (as stupid as this may sound) it's actually made me feel a lot better because I really like Barrowman and his singing and acting and I have tremendous respect for him as an artist/performer. So... yay!
Beautiful. I've always been agreeable with John's theory
I knew it. Folks wouldn't choose to be SLAMED for the rest of their live. WAY to go John...
Gosh, Mr. Barrowman. You're going to make me cry.
sorry john... it's been 9 years but this really hasn't changed the stigma at all. wish it had. i got real emotional with him, it's honestly really good to know science backs us up, even if some people don't want to believe in science.
I liked John's response to the test. I actually felt his joy and relief. Good for him! Well done.
I am bisexual. Not straight, not gay. Those people who say "I was gay but now I'm not" are or were confused. You can tell what you are really easily based on your attraction. That natural arousal that comes spontaneously when thinking about things. There are also people who lie, who try to force themselves to believe they're not gay because people make them feel like they are the worst things just for being themselves.
Saying you disagree with homosexuality because of your religion is like saying you disagree with someone who is eating a donut because you're on a diet; it's irrelevant.
Aww John! I started tearing up. So awesome.
I really don't think it matters whether a person's sexuality is determined by nature, nurture or a mixture of both, not in terms of whether or not the behaviour should be accepted. It's their life, it makes them happy (or at least gives them the same shot at happiness as the rest of the population has) and it doesn't hurt them or anyone else, so why police it? This kind of information is interesting but I don't think the whole LGBT rights movement should rest on it. But that's only my opinion as a straight ally.
wait, the data was partial. how did he perform in the tasks that heterosexual men perform strongly on?
maybe he was off the charts in that as well? maybe he is just all around awesome?
This documentary is so intense and John so concerned, I love it ^^
He's sexier as the Demon's Head though. Love the League armor on him!
My nephew was 3yo when my mother and I thought he was gay...he came out at 18, we said we already knew, now at 33 he's a productive and amazing person his mom & dad had no idea😂❤
My nephew had a playmate as a young boy. ( 3 to 6) my sister said to her husband about the playmate: " there is something about that little boy. He is going to be gay" and sure enough, she was right. I knew a woman who said that she knew since he was three years old that her son was gay.( different person).
Ok and? I don't think he was born gay I think he was influenced by u and ur family
aww! He's adorable!!
I think that you are born with your sexuality but whether or not you choose to act on it is a result of your upbringing and/or environment. That is my personal opinion so please don't flame me! But I can say, as a bisexual girl, that I would probably deny my sexuality if I were raised to be less tolerant. Also, my best friend was raised in a very conservative, anti-gay family but he has extremely open-minded friends so he chose to come out of the closet. Your environment just helps you accept it
God, it made _me_ emotional.
I personally don't think that you can be born gay, but that doesn't mean I think it is a choice. I just think that whatever the cause may be, it is not genetic.
RESEARCH TO SUPPORT IT HOORAH
I hate the fact that this reinforces gender binary. Why are we so obsessed with finding differences between men, women, homosexual people, etc? Why don't just say, some people are like this, some people are like that, ignoring gender and sexual orientation? This upsets me.
I was so mesmerized by John's utter overabundance of feels in reaction to the evidence that I tried to plug my apple charger into my wireless mouse instead of my ipod.
If sexual orientation is actually determined before one is born (as in this video they're trying to prove and as I myself strongly believe), this news will really challenge people. One has to face with this new reality. One has to abandon one's remissive attitude against their offspring. This is the first change in mentality that new generations of parents should strive to do. Actually familiar environment is the cradle of society. Changes should involve ordinary families first. That is my point
ohhhh I LOVE BEING GAY!!! this proves what ive ALWAYS said.. we r woman smart and intelligent aswell and witty,but in a mans body! i love that im gay.. were the best species of MEN there are on this planet!
J StarMoore you're not that smart, here's how : are, witty, (a space after), I, gay.., we're, "species of men" species is an entire race, not a gender, there is.
+Moyette Morgan it's just the way our brains process things I think, like lets say the theory of our colours not being others colours, maybe something like that?
Kyle Joultz ah yes because attraction to a person is a disorder totally
bahahaha 3:00 when John says "hoorah. hoo-rah," the guy's like o.o -swallow- -blink blink- xD
This is pretty great. Kind of wish he was bi like in Torchwood/Doctor Who, though... Oh well, guess I can't have everyone :(
I can still fantasize about Captain Jack Harkness though, right?
alicia Martin I think the phrase they used is anything with a pulse, making the face of boe twist all the more amusing.
***** is that Guy for Tv series Arrow?
I'm pretty sure that anything that has a humanoid body no matter living or robot, kale will flirt with
+Katelyn Beresford I mean Jack not kale
THAT HUG AT THE END, I LOVE YOU JOHNNIE
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This poor man! I never realized how painful this life can be for gay men. John is such a dear person. I am sad that people like me just don't understand. I am pleased to see him taking the reigns on this.
Argh! So cute
I really don't know which way I prefer to think on whether it's something you're born with or something learned. Foremost I think it's sad it even has to matter. A person should be able to love who they love or have the mannerisms which make them most comfortable regardless of whether it's been programmed into their genetics or whether they just want to be that way.
I suppose I've read too many sci-fi but I have this idea in my head of people being "tested" for their orientation and labeled.
At one time, I believed it was a sin. Then I opened my eyes and stopped swallowing everything that was fed to me. What's your excuse?
I'm done. Neither of us will be changing our minds any time soon, and I'm not going to argue in vain.
oh LAWD! if i hear one more person saying that being gay is a sin i am going to scream!!! IT IS PERFECTLY FINE!!! i have friends who are gay and they are some of the nicest people i know. it's like a whole personality gets swallowed up once people figure out someone is gay and you don't think about anything else. people who are gay can also be, funny, sweet, good friends and just great! so why does it matter so much? NO SIN THERE! JUST LIFE! love is beautiful no matter who it's between
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i know a couple of people who have. they weren't gay for long, and only because they were confused or just thought they were gay. but a few people really have been changed, just over time they started liking different things
@lachinx It's not just religious people. It's people in general who feel that being different is something to fear. It's the culture as well. As a person we are not influenced by outside media to be this accepting and loving person and to be open minded about things. Not all religious folk hate gays, in fact there are quite a few people right now who are getting their churches to stop anti-gay advertising. As a Catholic girl I've never hated gays. Nobody in my family has. It's not what we do.
To a certain degree, I do agree with what you say. However, they did mention previous tests on other homosexuals. We don't know that sample size and demographics, but the fact that similar results are found can at least create a foundation.
@zettadom and the whole "female sexuality is more fluid" thing never fails to make me roll my eyes as a polysexual man. I don't see how sexuality is different amongst genders. it's a very complex thing, for EVERYONE. you can't just group all women together and say "their sexuality is more malleable!" society PERCEIVES sexuality differently, but that doesn't mean it is. ever heard of sexism? women being objectified is why two women kissing is generally more accepted.
His verbal fluency is probably high because he's a professional actor
Am I the only one who thinks he looks like Tom Cruise? So handsome!
It used to matter to me that we were 'born gay'-I know I was and I think everyone comes into this world with their orientation pretty much set. Those that argue otherwise are
1 not gay themselves and
2 want us to be seen as making this choice so that we can unmake it.
All of this is true, but not my point anymore. I don't care if 'they' think we are born str8 or gay because it is not their business whatsoever if I am innately gay or if it is a choice.
WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER-GET USED TO IT!!!!
3:05 I want to give him a big hug!!
Watching him get emotional now I'm getting emotional! XD It's about damn time.
The thing is, it's not gay or straight. It's attracted to women vs attracted to men.
That guy getting tested looks so much like Tom Cruise.
thanx john barrowman because i know a few people who are gay that are scared to tell people and thanx to you for having the courage to get married and not be afraid to show yourself for you....... you have managed to bring hope in the minds of 1000's of men and women locked up and scared of the world because society is outcasting them for beinb themselves
to categorize the information given in the documentary as scientific, it has to be approved of taking place in a medical journal (preferably in a prestigious one) or at least, they have to refer to an article for what they say. what literature and articles are bbc documentaries based on?
to me, coming up with a such precise thesis is very speculative since there is a continuous progress of studies related to brain function differences in different sexual orientations or sex
I know I was born lesbian and I’m happy prove is coming out that we are born this way
just cause it was john barrowman i thought it might have been a parody or joke video at first XD but awesome video
This is pattern and generalisation. Women, generally, are more verbal, men more analytical. We tend to choose our field of work based on our strengths. I would venture a guess, straight or gay, someone who's a performer, would be stronger in their verbal abilities.I've not watched the whole programme as of yet. Intuitively, it seems right, they just need to prove the hypothesis that sexuality is inborn.
That is true. I went to 3 different Catholic schools(elem, highschool and uni). We were never ever taught to hate, isolate or discriminate anyone. It was all about love thy neighbor. Homosexuality wasn't even an issue. It was discussed it class but never as if they were a different specie, but more to love and to accept. I don't understand why some churches who believe in God teach and tolerate violence against other human beings. The thought of it gives me chills.
Well, the question is, does restingontherock have an issue with the sex or the preference in gender? The sin isn't being gay, it's the sex. Because Christians are taught that sex is for married couples to have kids. If I'm wrong, correct me.
It wasn't peer reviewed but the documentary was 'The Secret Life of Twins' carried out by Dr Robert Winston and perhaps it was a mistake to present the existence of sexuality genes as the only and arbitrary factor in sexuality as it is complex, but Dr Simon LeVay didn't reject the idea of genetic factors: "[I]t is possible to construct a hypothesis whereby both 'gay genes' and a desire to be homosexual are necessary for a person actually to become homosexual." (Chapter 12: Science and the Law)
It's important to note that these studies only show CORRELATIONS between sexual orientation and other gender traits (such as spatial orientation, etc.). There will actually be gay men who will score in the more male-typical direction and straight men who will score in the more female-typical direction on these tests. There is nothing wrong with the studies, but from experience people tend to use them to justify stereotyping and assuming that all gay men have a certain set of gender traits.
pilotrieul that is exactly what i think. The majority of gay men are more or less feminine, so i am not surprised if they have brain similarities with women. The same for lesbian women. But there's also a minority of gay men that is masculine. I would be curious to know the results of these studies done with gay men who are are REALLY masculine. These studies talk about gay men in general. But among gay men there are different personalities, feminine and masculine. And i don't think they have the same identical brain.
Absolutely - I wasn't sure what homosexuality was. You are right. But because I can look in retrospect, as I obviously know what homosexuality is now, I can see that it the beginning of my consciousness of my sexuality. Also, I didn't play much with boys, I played with dolls with girls. The attraction to boys wasn't of the team kind. In regards to the inaccuracies in the science - we are 500 years more developed now, hence the VAST increase in accuracy.
This is not conclusive evidence. Anyone can choose who they physically sleep with; that's just common sense. As far as attraction goes though, we can "learn" to favor what we are attracted to in many ways.
It validates what you've always known, but you have so many people, all your life telling you the opposite of what you experience,that you grow to doubt yourself.Sadly all the scientific tests in the world won't convince some people that it is not a choice but maybe these tests will help "us" stop doubting ourselves.
Yes she is, her use of 'there' instead of 'their' in her comments bothered me so much more than her opinion. Her use of there once could have been a mistake but after the third one, shows her level of literacy. I am normally very tolerant to mistakes and opinions but this just made me think 'idiot' and glad someone here thinks the same. So thank you. [I am christian and prefer to have an honest 'gay' friend than a liar 'straight' friend].
It is known that at the same times as the Greeks, other cultures frowned upon homosexuality. You are right in regards to certain societies accepting and not accepting homosexuality; however accepting it or not, it still exists within the population. Sexuality and sexual acts are not the same. As a homosexual, I could have sexual intercourse with a woman, but that wouldn't make me heterosexual, but merely the act is typical of heterosexuals.
I hope no one will start throwing hate comments at me for saying this, but I don't really understand the problem if it turns out people DO choose to be gay. I mean... It's no big deal at all. Whether they prefer women or men, whether they choose to prefer women or men... Why's that a problem? Why's that a big deal?
I wasn't born to dislike rap music, but I (somehow) chose that later in life. What's the problem with that...?
Could anyone please explain it all to me?
@surfer53 I want more acceptance for the gay community because I feel that all the gay teens need support, discovering that your predominantly attracted to the same sex can be a tough thing to go through. A bunch of social stigma being attached to that attraction can make impressionable kids and teens feel really horrible about themselves. As you can see, I really hate that stigma.
That's why gay teens have the highest suicide rates of teens.
Yes. What about bisexuality?
And this wasn't much further down that I thought might be worth mentioning. From Abstract, first line: "The present study sought to expand the limited evidence that sexual orientation is influenced by genetic factors." Last: "The findings suggest that a connection may exist between sexual orientation and genes both on chromosome 9 (where blood type is determined) and on chromosome 1 (where the Rh factor is regulated)." Archives of Sexual Behavior February 2008, Volume 37, Issue 1, pp 145-149
Still... Things like verbal skill depend largelly on your education. No i'm not saying education determines your sexual orientation, i'm just saying that the skills they tested are deeply influenced by the environment. For example in an environment where most kids read a lot their verbal and literary skills would be better, but there wouldn't be more gay boys and straight women... I think more research would be interesting. Not to "make people straight" or anything crazy like that, of course. Just out of curiosity.
Great job!
I think it's brilliant that people are trying to find out what makes a person 'gay,' and not meaning it to sound cruel. If people understand what makes someone homosexual then maybe there wont be as much prejudice against them. I personally don't see what people have against the gay population, I have gay friends and they're just like anyone else!
Saying this was it just my funny eye sight or was the scienticst looking kind of scared/freaked out at the end when he was telling John the results?
@Aldenissin So what? What bothers me is someone who doesn't even know their own book. I myself am a Christian and I am also gay. I see nothing that contradicts in these two worlds as I ACTUALLY READ and look for the meaning or symbolism behind things rather than quoting a few out of context snippets. What bothers me is how you've got such a GIANT log in your own eye and you can't even see it while you're trying to pick at the thorns of other people.
it makes sense that gay men and straight women have similarly functioning brains. brain function would influence the gender of the person you are attracted to. they should really say "people who are sexually attracted to men perform in *such and such* a way on these tests".
he's an actor and a singer, among other things... isn't being verbose pretty natural for artists in general? just sayin'... i get that explaining away personality traits by biology and genetics is very liberating for many people and helps them through a lot of stigma (it helped me at first)- and it also helps a lot of people accept us, but i personally think it's got more to do with what happens after birth and is similar to how all our other personality traits develop over time.
It isn't really sexist or homophobic, it is a impartial test. Yes there are differences in the way male and female brains work, on average, but the important thing to remember is just because women on average are better at one thing doesn't mean all women are good at it and doesn't mean men are bad at it - it is just a average. And if gay male brains average closer to straight female brains then that is scientifically intriguing.
@surfer53 some people do. Now that it's socially acceptable to be gay it's almost like it's encouraged, especially in certain cultures, to the point where it's "in" to be gay or bi, so lots of people just do it cos they want to try it and stuff.
For the most part it's completely a part of their biological and chemical make up, but the society we live in and the attitudes they have shape us as much as our DNA.
Homosexuality is just another part of the nature/nurture debate
Power to you man, keep fighting it.
I think this is all very nice and pretty--processed, digested, and ready to swallow--but it completely ignores (and therefore erases) a lot of people: people whose sexuality is fluid, polysexual people (or what, do they have an androgynous brain?), people who choose their sexuality (some people can choose, others can't. I can't, but that doesn't mean I'll ignore those who can), etc.
when will anyone acknowledge the complexity of sexuality? it's not always a static, black-and-white issue.
@surfer53 I understand what you're trying to say, but I think your missing the point of gays wanting more acceptance. When you flirt with a woman, there probably isn't any social stigma against you doing so, but for a man flirting with a man, the situation is quite a bit different. Personally, the reason I want more social acceptance for our community is not because I think I'm all that.