I’m kinda excited for when/if they take out EE in 25. Hopefully wingers can’t do that “back and forth” behind the net for 5 minutes before their high level agility eventually takes over and they get a good scoring chance. I use a defensive defenseman mainly, and playing D definitely easier now that I’m allowed to use gold EE like everyone else (PMDs are too wimpy for me in front of net puck battles) . Was using silver EE before to sort of keep up with the shifty wingers, but getting rid of EE completely will help defensemen out a ton I feel. Plus as a dman you don’t have to waste a skill spot on EE.
Depends on how they try to counter that. I believe they mentioned that EE would be gone, but the agility of the game would increase, perhaps to try and counter the effect of it. We'll see how it pans out, but the game will feel slower for everyone
i agree man. i play with something suited to me. tiny, speed, snipes and not a thing on dangles or anything defensive or passing, i'm already good at those things anyway. people crush the shit out of me but i've put in 2k goals. and if i really want to hit someone i'll time a good hip check lol
Gold elite edges feels really good on a TWF, all you really get out of a two way compared to a playmaker is better physical & defense stats, but sometimes that’s what I want out of a centre build. I run mine with puck on a string to help the mediocre deking and it’s felt nice so far, though even with 83 d awareness though there’s moments where my dude just watches the puck go through his legs for whatever reason I do hope they remove or bake in elite edges somehow so we can have more perk variety for 25
They 100% need to make more options viable. I'm a competitive player but I'm so tired of having all my builds looking alike. My favorite thing was to brew builds before I started competing. If you want a radical approach, give EE to everybody, as a default, without taking an ability slot (sort of like a passive) The reasoning is, if we are to believe that we are pros/semi-pros when playing EASHL, from a realism PoV, there are no bad skaters at that level of play. Just like there's no guy with 78 speed in the NHL. (Except guys like Chara maybe but even then, they're fast) so why not just accept the fact that people want to be able to move better in an otherwise clunky game and give more freedom to players by considering them "pros" and having their skating sorted out. Just a thought. Love your stuff HackAttack, keep it up
I can get behind that. Some people might complain that the game becomes more arcade like that way. Another thing that could happen is getting rid of the boosts to speed and accel and raising the speed cap from 93 without the boosts to 95 how it is with the boosts. That way, the builds can diverse a little without everyone needing to put on boosts to speed and accel just to compete with others. Overall, I think it depends on whether competitors want a faster or slower game.
Elite Edges and skating boosts should be removed from the game tbh. Skating is by far the most important attributes and its not close, and it forces every competitive player to use them which ends up making every build the same.
Exactly I agree. Another thing that could happen is by taking away the boosts to speed and accel, they can raise the speed cap from 93 without the boosts to 95. Keep the speed up without having to apply boosts to get it there.
I just thought of that but...the main reason we need a solid playstyle category when choosing a build is because everybody (but especially the centers) need to be two way players at all time. Reason? They made defensemen incredibly weak by design of the game (if everybody moves at mach-10 speeds, it's pretty hard to effectively defend against it) They need to rework defense and goalies. These 2 positions need to be more solid and reliable. Because then it frees out the forwards and possibly allow them to play snipers, danglers, pwr fwd, etc. in ways that are relevant.
For sure but the playstyle is always related to skill of the player too. The more difficult something is, the more of a skill gap there is. The best of the best don't have an issue defending and goaltending as much as anyone below them. I agree it should be easier to do these things, but don't undermine the skill it takes to get there also because there are guys that can succeed at it even with lower attributes.
@HackAttack34 oh I know that, I compete on old gen and yes it is possible to defend against the meta strategies. I'm merely pointing out that the defense have been nerfed considerably throughout the years and goalie need a crazy rework too.
@drummer_gamer I agree to a degree. It has given us many different build types to use throughout the last couple years that caters to a particular style. Before the builds felt flat and limited. But I do agree it needs a slight change to how it currently is formated.
I had the EXACT same thought recently about them adding a 6th ability. I figured they added EE to all builds because they’re going to remove it from CHEL in 25 (or at the very least only have silver available, but both should be gone) I hope they go that route. If they do that, a lot will transition to in reverse, especially if they add it as a gold trait (not counting bones) I hope they shake up the ability classes in 25
The beta for 25 should give us a pretty good idea if they plan to remove it. I can maybe see players using in reverse. The game would become more defensive sided. Perhaps they'd choose to stay with the pmd and ply so stick em up could be seen a lot. Unsure for center ply besides maybe tape to tape. All depends on the game tuners and what would feel the best. The competitive players might have a negative response to the change since removing EE would put a nerf on skill itself.
@@HackAttack34 Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see what they choose to do. Heck, this may just be an indication that they’re going to have 6 traits to choose from going forward and they’re testing that. They could also restructure the builds, or keep them “locked” (as far as editing individual attributes) or they could go the extreme (they won’t) or removing the traits all together and you’ll have to edit your attributes in a way to make your player good at a skill set. Like you’ll have to have high hand eye if you want to tip a lot instead of big tipper, you’ll need high body checking to hit like truculence, you’ll need high agility to get the feel of elite edges, etc. OR they need to increase the minimums for unlocking the trait. Like so silver EE you need a minimum agility of 82, but they could increase that to say 86? And then do it for golds too, like you can’t equip gold EE without 93 agility or something like that.
@ntq0364 I don't think they'll go the extreme and remove all traits. But they'll either keep it how it currently is now with 6 or remove EE and have 5 for each. If any high competitive players have a say in what they want, they'll probably keep it in.
I think this change is great overall for non competitive and Fun aspect that provides more creativity and expression in builds which makes alot of the other classes have possible and takes a step towards opening up for options and not isolating classes immediately because so n so class is simply better statistically. NOW for 25 i really want them to get rid of the Speed and acceleration boost. Provide players with the Extra 80 xp in each catagory and raise the cap to 95 (caps 95 now but thats post boost) 93 w/o That way that all the other boosts in the game have less of mandatory must pick speed/accel to be maximum effectiveness. At the end of the day minus leagues most players are better off building to there strengths and styles (depending on mode) 3s more flexible then 6s imo . Most teams arent facing top teams constantly or dont know how to ultilize EE mechanics outside of Going fast so while its a welcome change alot of players are better off staying with the perks they had before. As someone who likes to experiment too its kinda nice and has provided some neat changes
@RedChamp For sure people can use whatever traits they want to use if they prefer something other than elite edges. I know big tipper on playmaker and stick em up on pmd is an intriguing addition if players prefer to use those classes. But having every class have access to elite edges I don't think opens up much in terms of creative builds. Certain classes were only used because of a unique zone trait they possessed. Like big tipper on grinder. Imagine all builds have access to big tipper. Grinder wouldn't be used because there's no Stat advantage that grinder has over a class like the two way forward besides maybe hand eye. That's 1 example but the argument can be made to some others as well. Not all classes should have access to certain traits as many classes will simply be at a disadvantage compared to others. That's why meta is a thing. The gameplay tuners as well have a huge say in what builds make sense to use. Truculence is mainly used on power forwards but if all builds had access to it as a zone trait, it wouldn't be used as other builds benefit more from it. Or would simply lose to other builds. Being creative is good and all to try and keep players engaged but just like any other competitive game, there's always a meta that everyone wants to use if they have a strong desire to win. The majority of players playing the game now anyway are the more competitive ones. I only face meta builds now in 6s. I don't see any other types. I only give players the information of what I think is best to use given the gameplay tuners and state of the game currently.
@HackAttack34 Absolutely even this patch puts grinder in a odd place. cause twf is better overall but now Playmaker as a Center has the speed and passing ability to bumper to wings easy with a cheesy perk. But I agree too Much everything on everything just means people will always go to the highest attribute and classes won't have identity rather then what is offered which can also effect the marketing for presets too lol in bigger image from the business side.
@RedChamp I agree I think presets in general are mainly for low level players that don't have many traits unlocked. If every build had access to every trait, it would make presets useless as there would be no need for them if we're able to create any build we like. I do agree with raising the speed and accel and eliminating the boosts towards them. They could also keep the speed where it's at and slow the game down a bit. If they do that and eliminate elite edges, that might upset a lot of competitive players as they might think it's too slow. Raising the speed and keeping elite edges would be a nice touch I think.
@@donchandler7212 Raising or dropping your height and weight will apply to certain attributes. That's where you'll see extra points. When clicking on a category, it'll only show your +5 or -5 cap.
Agree with the hot take so many games you see elite edges and abuse back skate and it’s almost impossible to get the puck free with out double teaming then your left with a man open
Depends on what position you play and what type of passes you do the most. Send it is any long stretch pass. Mostly used by defenseman. Third eye is any pass outside of player vision such as behind your back no look pass. Mainly used by forwards I'd say. I wouldn't put any one higher then the other, it's more strictly what kind of passes you make.
Just trying chel for the first time... But can't even play with friends yet ....anytime I try to play a club game with a friend we always get errors about failing to get data or something??? Has anyone else experienced this?
I heard of some people having this issue at the start of nhl 24. Ea had said they fixed it in a patch. Still had people getting errors at times. Unfortunately, I'm unsure on how to fix it. You can try to create a new club and switch owners and see if that works
@@ernestbrown5178 The video titled, "My Best Builds" has all the builds I use. PMD is best for speed and hits, the shot you can change if you want to be able to shoot from the point. I'd recommend changing one of the traits to heatseeker for better shot at point.
does off and def awereness really do something? i remember the past games it was only for the ai players like in gm mode it did absolutely nothing for a human player
@mickaelhachey7154 It does. When you customize your build, hover over each attribute and it'll give you a description of what it does for your player. Typically, you'd want off awareness to be high 80's to 90 for forwards. Same for def awareness on defense.
I don't agree entirely. I think the reason certain traits were banned was because it doesn't take much skill to use them. The game itself helps the player out. In esports, we want to see the skill of the players. That's why everyone uses elite edges. It's takes skill to use it and it makes the games faster and more entertaining to watch. Taking it away would slow down the game but might still make it entertaining and different. Players use PLY and PMD because of the speed that's combined with elite edges.
@Pierre-LucBouchard-rt9oz You can raise the def awareness if you want. I originally had 88 I think till I put on steady strides to show. Unless you're playing offense, then you can do whatever.
I’m kinda excited for when/if they take out EE in 25. Hopefully wingers can’t do that “back and forth” behind the net for 5 minutes before their high level agility eventually takes over and they get a good scoring chance.
I use a defensive defenseman mainly, and playing D definitely easier now that I’m allowed to use gold EE like everyone else (PMDs are too wimpy for me in front of net puck battles) . Was using silver EE before to sort of keep up with the shifty wingers, but getting rid of EE completely will help defensemen out a ton I feel. Plus as a dman you don’t have to waste a skill spot on EE.
Depends on how they try to counter that. I believe they mentioned that EE would be gone, but the agility of the game would increase, perhaps to try and counter the effect of it. We'll see how it pans out, but the game will feel slower for everyone
''metas'' should not be a thing in this game....so stupid....LET US PLAY HOW WE WANT MAN!!!
@@gpiercy17 Then they should remove elite edges
i agree man. i play with something suited to me. tiny, speed, snipes and not a thing on dangles or anything defensive or passing, i'm already good at those things anyway. people crush the shit out of me but i've put in 2k goals. and if i really want to hit someone i'll time a good hip check lol
Gold elite edges feels really good on a TWF, all you really get out of a two way compared to a playmaker is better physical & defense stats, but sometimes that’s what I want out of a centre build. I run mine with puck on a string to help the mediocre deking and it’s felt nice so far, though even with 83 d awareness though there’s moments where my dude just watches the puck go through his legs for whatever reason
I do hope they remove or bake in elite edges somehow so we can have more perk variety for 25
They 100% need to make more options viable. I'm a competitive player but I'm so tired of having all my builds looking alike. My favorite thing was to brew builds before I started competing.
If you want a radical approach, give EE to everybody, as a default, without taking an ability slot (sort of like a passive) The reasoning is, if we are to believe that we are pros/semi-pros when playing EASHL, from a realism PoV, there are no bad skaters at that level of play. Just like there's no guy with 78 speed in the NHL. (Except guys like Chara maybe but even then, they're fast) so why not just accept the fact that people want to be able to move better in an otherwise clunky game and give more freedom to players by considering them "pros" and having their skating sorted out.
Just a thought. Love your stuff HackAttack, keep it up
I can get behind that. Some people might complain that the game becomes more arcade like that way. Another thing that could happen is getting rid of the boosts to speed and accel and raising the speed cap from 93 without the boosts to 95 how it is with the boosts. That way, the builds can diverse a little without everyone needing to put on boosts to speed and accel just to compete with others. Overall, I think it depends on whether competitors want a faster or slower game.
Elite Edges and skating boosts should be removed from the game tbh. Skating is by far the most important attributes and its not close, and it forces every competitive player to use them which ends up making every build the same.
Exactly I agree. Another thing that could happen is by taking away the boosts to speed and accel, they can raise the speed cap from 93 without the boosts to 95. Keep the speed up without having to apply boosts to get it there.
@@HackAttack34what if they just made it that no matter what you can’t get more then 90 speed and excel so all play styles can be used
That’s the plan in 2025… no more elite edges. They want players to make more diverse builds
I just thought of that but...the main reason we need a solid playstyle category when choosing a build is because everybody (but especially the centers) need to be two way players at all time. Reason? They made defensemen incredibly weak by design of the game (if everybody moves at mach-10 speeds, it's pretty hard to effectively defend against it)
They need to rework defense and goalies. These 2 positions need to be more solid and reliable. Because then it frees out the forwards and possibly allow them to play snipers, danglers, pwr fwd, etc. in ways that are relevant.
For sure but the playstyle is always related to skill of the player too. The more difficult something is, the more of a skill gap there is. The best of the best don't have an issue defending and goaltending as much as anyone below them. I agree it should be easier to do these things, but don't undermine the skill it takes to get there also because there are guys that can succeed at it even with lower attributes.
@HackAttack34 oh I know that, I compete on old gen and yes it is possible to defend against the meta strategies. I'm merely pointing out that the defense have been nerfed considerably throughout the years and goalie need a crazy rework too.
I wish theyd get rid of the perks. I dont need a 'one timer' perk to score a one timer. The game would be so much better without these perks
@drummer_gamer I agree to a degree. It has given us many different build types to use throughout the last couple years that caters to a particular style. Before the builds felt flat and limited. But I do agree it needs a slight change to how it currently is formated.
I had the EXACT same thought recently about them adding a 6th ability. I figured they added EE to all builds because they’re going to remove it from CHEL in 25 (or at the very least only have silver available, but both should be gone) I hope they go that route. If they do that, a lot will transition to in reverse, especially if they add it as a gold trait (not counting bones) I hope they shake up the ability classes in 25
The beta for 25 should give us a pretty good idea if they plan to remove it. I can maybe see players using in reverse. The game would become more defensive sided. Perhaps they'd choose to stay with the pmd and ply so stick em up could be seen a lot. Unsure for center ply besides maybe tape to tape. All depends on the game tuners and what would feel the best. The competitive players might have a negative response to the change since removing EE would put a nerf on skill itself.
@@HackAttack34 Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see what they choose to do. Heck, this may just be an indication that they’re going to have 6 traits to choose from going forward and they’re testing that. They could also restructure the builds, or keep them “locked” (as far as editing individual attributes) or they could go the extreme (they won’t) or removing the traits all together and you’ll have to edit your attributes in a way to make your player good at a skill set. Like you’ll have to have high hand eye if you want to tip a lot instead of big tipper, you’ll need high body checking to hit like truculence, you’ll need high agility to get the feel of elite edges, etc. OR they need to increase the minimums for unlocking the trait. Like so silver EE you need a minimum agility of 82, but they could increase that to say 86? And then do it for golds too, like you can’t equip gold EE without 93 agility or something like that.
@ntq0364 I don't think they'll go the extreme and remove all traits. But they'll either keep it how it currently is now with 6 or remove EE and have 5 for each. If any high competitive players have a say in what they want, they'll probably keep it in.
@@HackAttack34 yeah I was just thinking outside the box. I hope they eliminate it all together.
@@NTQ03 I wish ea would think outside the box. Hope elite edges is gone
If deking is an important attribute to have high, why wouldn't the dangler be used more?
@JohnsonEditor-y8q Both the pmd and ply beat the class in the playstyle category. The pmd can also hit 90 deking which is pretty high anyway.
Man I thought this year bigger builds would be relevant again due to the checking being overhauled
@Anonymous71892 Yeah it just made hitting with a smaller player easier.
What build do you recommend for a center in 3s
@ms-qk3of Either Playmaker or power forward depending on whether you want to use elite edges or truculence.
I think this change is great overall for non competitive and Fun aspect that provides more creativity and expression in builds which makes alot of the other classes have possible and takes a step towards opening up for options and not isolating classes immediately because so n so class is simply better statistically. NOW for 25 i really want them to get rid of the Speed and acceleration boost. Provide players with the Extra 80 xp in each catagory and raise the cap to 95 (caps 95 now but thats post boost) 93 w/o That way that all the other boosts in the game have less of mandatory must pick speed/accel to be maximum effectiveness. At the end of the day minus leagues most players are better off building to there strengths and styles (depending on mode) 3s more flexible then 6s imo . Most teams arent facing top teams constantly or dont know how to ultilize EE mechanics outside of Going fast so while its a welcome change alot of players are better off staying with the perks they had before. As someone who likes to experiment too its kinda nice and has provided some neat changes
@RedChamp For sure people can use whatever traits they want to use if they prefer something other than elite edges. I know big tipper on playmaker and stick em up on pmd is an intriguing addition if players prefer to use those classes. But having every class have access to elite edges I don't think opens up much in terms of creative builds. Certain classes were only used because of a unique zone trait they possessed. Like big tipper on grinder. Imagine all builds have access to big tipper. Grinder wouldn't be used because there's no Stat advantage that grinder has over a class like the two way forward besides maybe hand eye. That's 1 example but the argument can be made to some others as well. Not all classes should have access to certain traits as many classes will simply be at a disadvantage compared to others. That's why meta is a thing. The gameplay tuners as well have a huge say in what builds make sense to use. Truculence is mainly used on power forwards but if all builds had access to it as a zone trait, it wouldn't be used as other builds benefit more from it. Or would simply lose to other builds. Being creative is good and all to try and keep players engaged but just like any other competitive game, there's always a meta that everyone wants to use if they have a strong desire to win. The majority of players playing the game now anyway are the more competitive ones. I only face meta builds now in 6s. I don't see any other types. I only give players the information of what I think is best to use given the gameplay tuners and state of the game currently.
@HackAttack34 Absolutely even this patch puts grinder in a odd place. cause twf is better overall but now Playmaker as a Center has the speed and passing ability to bumper to wings easy with a cheesy perk. But I agree too Much everything on everything just means people will always go to the highest attribute and classes won't have identity rather then what is offered which can also effect the marketing for presets too lol in bigger image from the business side.
@RedChamp I agree I think presets in general are mainly for low level players that don't have many traits unlocked. If every build had access to every trait, it would make presets useless as there would be no need for them if we're able to create any build we like. I do agree with raising the speed and accel and eliminating the boosts towards them. They could also keep the speed where it's at and slow the game down a bit. If they do that and eliminate elite edges, that might upset a lot of competitive players as they might think it's too slow. Raising the speed and keeping elite edges would be a nice touch I think.
newer to the game how do you get the attribute points to go under and over the caps it caps all mine at -5 or +5 ?
@@donchandler7212 Raising or dropping your height and weight will apply to certain attributes. That's where you'll see extra points. When clicking on a category, it'll only show your +5 or -5 cap.
Agree with the hot take so many games you see elite edges and abuse back skate and it’s almost impossible to get the puck free with out double teaming then your left with a man open
@phodemkidz5300 Yeah it's become the meta for a couple years now. Need a change if they hope to branch out the variety of builds.
"meta build" because they banned the counter x factor.
@@Cacuna You talking about truculence? Not sure if players would make the switch as truculence promises nothing more than penalties.
@@HackAttack34 all of them, the best perks for 2way and power forward are banned
@@HackAttack34 all of them, they banned the best perk for 2way pw
Is send it or third eye the better passing ability on silver, doing a fun passing build
Depends on what position you play and what type of passes you do the most. Send it is any long stretch pass. Mostly used by defenseman. Third eye is any pass outside of player vision such as behind your back no look pass. Mainly used by forwards I'd say. I wouldn't put any one higher then the other, it's more strictly what kind of passes you make.
Just trying chel for the first time... But can't even play with friends yet ....anytime I try to play a club game with a friend we always get errors about failing to get data or something??? Has anyone else experienced this?
I heard of some people having this issue at the start of nhl 24. Ea had said they fixed it in a patch. Still had people getting errors at times. Unfortunately, I'm unsure on how to fix it. You can try to create a new club and switch owners and see if that works
@@HackAttack34 much appreciated!! Thanks
Do these builds apply to more so 6s or 3s
6s mostly but can be used in 3s as well
@@HackAttack34 do u have a solid d man build for threes? One that can do it all. Speed hit but also have a shot from the point?
@@ernestbrown5178 The video titled, "My Best Builds" has all the builds I use. PMD is best for speed and hits, the shot you can change if you want to be able to shoot from the point. I'd recommend changing one of the traits to heatseeker for better shot at point.
@@HackAttack34 well copy that 💪🏾. Much appreciated
does off and def awereness really do something? i remember the past games it was only for the ai players like in gm mode it did absolutely nothing for a human player
@mickaelhachey7154 It does. When you customize your build, hover over each attribute and it'll give you a description of what it does for your player. Typically, you'd want off awareness to be high 80's to 90 for forwards. Same for def awareness on defense.
thanks man!
If the meta were about to change, leagues would just ban things until it stays 90% PMDs again.
I don't agree entirely. I think the reason certain traits were banned was because it doesn't take much skill to use them. The game itself helps the player out. In esports, we want to see the skill of the players. That's why everyone uses elite edges. It's takes skill to use it and it makes the games faster and more entertaining to watch. Taking it away would slow down the game but might still make it entertaining and different. Players use PLY and PMD because of the speed that's combined with elite edges.
Looking for a 3s eliminator build, any suggestions
I've got other build videos. Not sure what exactly you may want.
Should Stick em up gold perk with PMD defenseman can be a good option??
@@Pierre-LucBouchard-rt9oz It can but not over elite edges. Against better teams, you'll lose in speed and quickness.
@@HackAttack34 thx a lot for your opinion, the only thing im not sure now is, 94 acceleration or 92
@Pierre-LucBouchard-rt9oz I just recently changed mine to 94 a day after recording and it feels nice. I'd try out 94 first and see.
84 def awr so , thx buddy keep your nice work!
@Pierre-LucBouchard-rt9oz You can raise the def awareness if you want. I originally had 88 I think till I put on steady strides to show. Unless you're playing offense, then you can do whatever.