Optimizing Liquid Cooling in the SilverStone SG13 Chassis - Fan/PSU Setup & Video Card Type
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- This is the final video in my series examining both low-profile air coolers and liquid coolers, along with various fans, in the compact SilverStone SG13 mini-ITX chassis. This time around, I respond to viewer questions about whether the fan placement matters (push vs. pull), how to mount your PSU (up or down), whether dual fans in push/pull helps, and whether you can drop a fire-breathing RTX 2080 Ti GPU into this tiny system and keep it from burning down!
Here are my recommended components:
(1) Case: SilverStone SG13 - amzn.to/2Xiq6SB
(2) CPU Cooler: SilverStone PF120 - amzn.to/2ZrebVi
(3) Cooler Fan: Noctua NF-A12x25 - amzn.to/36kBp0E
(4) Power Supply: SilverStone SX500-G - amzn.to/2TwaLgd
(5) SFX Adapter for Power Supply: SilverStone PP08 - amzn.to/2TuiQSn
(6) Best GPU for balanced performance, thermals & noise: RTX 2070 Super 8GB - amzn.to/2TsW6Ca
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Here are all the previous videos in the series:
(1) Low-Profile Air Cooler Shootout: • Best Low-Profile CPU C...
(2) Corsair Hydro H60 Liquid Cooler vs. Low-Profile Air: • Corsair's H60 Liquid C...
(3) SilverStone PF120 Liquid Cooler vs. Corsair Hydro H60: • SilverStone PF120 CPU ...
(4) Radiator Fan Shootout: • The Best 120mm Cooler/...
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I don't even have this case but I'm loving this channel
Funny! Well, more content coming soon that *doesn't* involve this case!
I built mine with a 3700x sitting on a B550i motherboard. I didn't use a SFF PSU but rather a FSP Hyper 700W from an older computer I had around. For the cooling: for the CPU I used a NOCTUA NH-L9a-AM4 and for the case (set in the front) a NOCTUA NF-A15 PWM. It idles at 40C but doesnt go beyond 70 when playing Hunt The Showdown (I just built it so I havent got time yet test it further)
The SG13 is just an amazing case. Im able to fit it in a regular backpack which was my goal as I travel between 2 different remote places for longer periods of time and a laptop just doesnt do the job.
i always look forward to another upload on the SG13 channel ;-)
LOL, well for better or worse, this is going to be the last one for a while!
Thank you so much for doing this, love the deep dive!
Glad you enjoyed it! I had fun, and it was great to see people following along. Sadly, I've had to disassemble my SG13 test bench for new ITX case reviews coming up the channel, so the series is complete... for now!
I had great success undervolting my cpu (2600x) to reduce thermals. undervolting can reduve temperatures and even allow the CPU to throttle less often, making it faster. I've been running a -0.1v offset for at least a year and never had a crash. it's worth noting that I only turn the amd core boost on when I have a heavy game I want to play, and it does get pretty hot in that situation. I hope this helps anyone else trying to reduce thermals in their sg13.
Great video, helping me with my SG13 build for the living room!
Thanks for the video. I think maybe undervolting the 2080 ti would allow for more comfortable temps.
I have a 2700x, a 120mm AIO, an ATX power supply, and a GTX 1070 with an external exhaust. The 2700x runs hot, but I found out a trick for extra cooling by about 3 or 4ª on the CPU and MoBo. I disassembled the power supply, and changed its fan for a PWM 2,300 RPM one, and connected it to the motherboard as a chassis one instead of having it connected to the PS. The system is quieter, too.
Finally getting to my build today! Looks like best setup for cooling and quiet is to use the CPU fan as an intake that pulls (meaning the radiator is against the front of the case and the fan is between it and the main components of the case) air into the case and have the PSU fan facing down. What a wild ride it's been!
That is definitely the best setup for reducing noise. Having the fan mounted against the mesh will improve temperatures slightly. Your choice should be informed by your CPU and whether you want to overclock it.
Nice video as usual. My SG13 setup
Ryzen 3600
32 GB 3200
MSI B450i
Sapphire pulse 5600xt
Cooler Master 120 AIO (intake pull)
and a cheap akasa 80mm slim on the side vent.
Works well on silent and high loads
Very nice! I'm always looking for other GPUs to recommend. How well did the Pulse 5600XT fit in the case? I know it's not too long, but I thought it might be too tall. Did you install it from the top, lowering it down? Any case modifications necessary?
@@TheTechBuyersGuru no mods needed, side loading works best and just about clears the AIO rad and fan...also managed to mount a 2.5 inch to the floor of the case...😂😂😂
That is awesome! Good to know that I can recommend the Sapphire Pulse for SG13 owners!
@@TheTechBuyersGuru RTX 2060 performance for approx £100 less (depends where you are) whats not to like! Sapphire Pulse is better though than other brands as it shares same fans and back plate as the 5700xt so geared up for the revised bios and higher power draw. Temps and performance pretty decent when compared to likes of MSI, Powercolour etc
Thanks for confirming about the Pulse 5600xt Andi.
Cool to see that the psu orientation makes a difference. I'm hoping psu fan down reduces dust long term as well.
It does make a difference, but it also puts the PSU under a lot more strain. Because I can't actually quantify that, I didn't discuss it in the video, but my preference would actually to have the PSU facing up if the system cooling is adequate that way.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Interesting, also wouldn't putting the PSU facing down be more dangerous if your AIO CPU cooler leaks , you wouldn't want any liquid going inside the PSU. I actually prefer it facing up too.
I wouldn't be too worried about that. AIO failures are pretty rare, and if it did fail, it would likely fail where the hose meets the cooling block, so any spill would hit the motherboard (which would be bad), but not the PSU.
nice work! i use sg13 too
Literally dropped 30C off my 3800x SilverStone SG05 setup by adding a Noctua 92mm (intake) fan on the top (modded). 80c to 50c under load.
Running Noctua L12S (blowing up into fins) for cpu so I can’t add the side exhaust everyone does. I drilled the case for 2 top mounted 92mm fans but I’m waiting on a fan splitter to have the second fan running. Hoping temps drop even more with the second one.
Great channel. I share your reviews with my friends. Especially , fans. I wonder your recommends for new next genereation intel cpus.
My recommendation is that most people skip it, except for the Core i7-10700K, which I think is a very good choice if you can get it for around $400. Unfortunately, the Z490 ITX motherboards are very expensive, so it makes this combo a replacement only for the Ryzen 9 3900X/X570, not the 3700X/B450.
Thank you. Thank you, thank you
You are very welcome!
Hello Tech Buyer's Guru, I just wanted to come back to you & ask if you were still planning on doing that video, testing the Arctic LFII front intake vs top exhaust in an ATX case? Thanks for the info :)
You know, it's something I'm interested in, but I can't take on that project right now. I've got a lot of other product reviews and shootouts going at the moment. But I will eventually get around to it, potentially with a different cooler (I'll probably do it when I review a new model).
@@TheTechBuyersGuru OK! No problem, happy to see it's still on your mind :)
Thanks for this, I’ve been planning a build with this case and selecting the parts for the past week trying to figure out what would work best and your videos have been extremely helpful. I’ll be setting it up as a home theater PC and emulating older consoles with it. So I’ll also be utilizing a 3.5” HDD to store ROMS. Will I have any issues using a radiator with the HDD tray or should I just stick with air cooling using a low profile cooler?
Glad you've found these videos helpful! So the first thing I would ask is whether you can use an inexpensive 2.5" drive, either a hard drive or an SSD, to store the ROMs. Using a 3.5" drive in this system will make this system very hard to build, and I really don't know if the liquid cooler fit. My advice: it's not worth finding out. Just get a nice 2.5" hard drive (amzn.to/2Xkm8J7) or a cheap 2.5" SSD (amzn.to/2TvJD0F).
The Tech Buyer's Guru oh yeah! I didn’t even think about the 2.5” HDD’s. Thanks!
Sure thing - just note that the pandemic has pinched supplies of PC components, so you may find that a lot of hard drives are sold out. I linked to one that was still in stock (at the time).
There is a trick that people say it helps...adding (via zipties) a slim 80 or 92mm fan to the side opposite to GPU, in the back, and setting it to exhaust. SG13 struggles with exhausting hot air out and people have been reporting that this setup helped draw the hot air from CPU area out and reduced overall temps, especially if the AIO is used. I wish someone would test that and confirm or deny that claim...
A number of people have suggested that setup to me. I've disassembled my SG13 test rig for use in other ITX cases, but maybe some day I'll test it for you!
Dude, thx for review but in next add gameplay with msi Afterburner, please
I could do that, interesting idea.
I see push/pull config doesn't help cpu thermals due to radiator being bottleneck. However, is it possible it would help with an open air gpu as it would increase the airflow inside the case?
This video is fantastic, and I'm builiding step by step and I'm almost done. One question is that I'm replacing the Silverstone PF120 fan with the Noctua as you show in the video. But it seems like the only way to get power to the block is using attached cooler power cord (3 pin Male) -> ARGB SYNC CABLE (3 pin F) -> (3 pin (dif)) Male -> (3 pin {dif}) ARGB CONTROL BOX (2 pin F) --> (2 pin M) Sata Cable -> Sata extenion -> Power. Box. I'm assuming it will work but it's a ton of unneded cables. Any cleaner solution?
Does your motherboard have a 3-pin ARGB header on it? That way you avoid the entire ARGB control box, which I agree is a huge mess.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Not that I can find it's the MOBO is the Aorus 450 pro wifi you use in another of your videos (I'm copying your homework.)
Do you think I could get away with a 5600 g and a full sized ATX psu with No Graphics Card using a Wraith Stealth stock cooler fan?
Thank you so much for these build videos, I have been obsessing over this case for about six months!!! I saw on the website that you are only recommending the MSI 2X out of all the RTX 3070s. Is the Zotac Twin Edge way too tall? Don't we gain a little extra space if we remove the hard drive tray on top? Also, I am guessing the FE fits in here nicely too (good luck ever getting that though lol)?
Correct, the Zotac's height is very unusual and may be a problem. I can't recommend it until someone tries it and reports it works.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Thank you so much for the reply! I have an update and yet another question. It looks like some people have managed to stick an EVGA 3070 XC3 card in the SG13, *but* this requires cutting off part of the front of the case (a pretty simple procedure it seems). This card is slightly over 285mm long (11.22 inches), so if this one fits with a little bit of effort, then the Gigabyte 3070 Eagle can also fit (this one is 280mm long).
There is another card that, lengthwise, fits just fine but has a weirdly tall heatsink/shroud, just like the Zotac Twin Edge: the ASUS DUAL RTX 3070. The ASUS one, however, is about 6 to 7 mm shorter than the Zotac, sitting at 135mm. Silverstone's website says it supports cards up to 129mm tall (or wide from the card's perspective) so I was wondering if you think it's possible to somehow fit this card in there with the help of some 180° pci connector adapters (at 142 mm Zotac cards *might* even be feasible if the card physically fits in the case, as the PCI connectors are more or less sunken).
If anyone could measure the actual maximum distance between the mobo and the case ceiling (there has to be at least a little more than 129mm there!), that would be amazing.
Still waiting for you to do one your massively high end builds in Fractal Design Core 500 similar to what you've listed on the May website for $2500 build demonstrating the sheer versatility of this case in its ability to house liquid coolers or massive air coolers to cool overclocked new i5-10600K or one of the Ryzen offerings, plus a high end GPU. Here's hoping - Shabbat shalom.
I appreciate the encouragement! But alas, I probably won't do it, because I'm holding out for SilverStone's new SG14 that will come in at the same volume but have a more modern interior layout. The Core 500 is as good as it gets for now, and the price is amazing, but it does have some layout issues that will hopefully be resolved when the SG14 arrives. But only a "massively high end build" will prove that, and it's what I'm planning on. ;) Good shabbas to you as well!
Great video. I am looking at doing a similar set up soon for my living room and have been looking for various setups using this case.
FYI, your video on the wide is a little bit shaky, looks like an air conditioner or something is hitting it. Try throwing a wrap stabilizer in Premiere on there if you can!
Glad you liked the video!
The shake is actual digital, due to my camera failing. It wasn't actually vibrating, and I'm not sure stabilizer in post would help, because it wasn't real shake, it was digital in the first place! I've got a much better camera on pre-order, coming in about a month!
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Oh interesting! I don't see why a stabilizer wouldn't help, but it's also possible then it would just flicker but be stabilized 😅. I apologize because I'm a career video editor myself and I tend to notice things like that! Keep up the videos, very entertaining!
For my current videos, I'm using an old DSLR. It certainly doesn't have any stabilization issues when on my tripod, but it's also limited to 1080p. Got to work with what I have for now, but like I said, I'm upgrading soon!
Hey The Tech Buyer's Guru, so I did build my SG13 using the AIO PF120. I immediatly customized my fan speed profiles in my BIOS to avoid the "on/off, low/hight RPM effect" that can be pretty annoying by default.
But there is something I'm struggling with and I cannot find a solution dispite a lot of testing: this AIO seems to have a "resonance point" somewhere between 65% et 80% speed and it cause when crossing this point a pretty annoying ringing/wisseling sound in the background... My setup is exhaust with a fan pushing through.
It seems to me that the probleme is the radiator resonate at a certain airflow speed, similarely to what can be heard when the an heavy wind blow through some structures like a bridge or a fence...
Did you notice that aswell? Do you have any advice to mitigate this?
Thank you!
I did not notice this, but it is possible. Resonance is typically caused when a fan is too close to another component, like a grill or radiator. The first thing I would try is to set it up as intake. I found that worked better in this case. Pushing through from the front. Another thing you could try is to put some washers in to space the fan a few millimeters away from the radiator. That may help in either configuration.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru I'll try both and give you my results. I'll also try to fill the thin gap between the fan and the radiator around the frame of the fan, because it's might be it aswell. :-)
@@TheTechBuyersGuru So I did what you advised me to do and... It works fine! I even get a thermal improvement of 5°c. I reversed my PSU as well (fan down). As you said, it provides an airflow output which is nice. But also, I noticed that the non-fan side is the warmest point of the unit and it much better away from the CPU, even if the air is a pretty good isolator. :)
PS: Damn those front blue leds are ugly... I advice anyone to not plug this crappy lights.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru So I did what you advised me to do and... It works fine! I even get a thermal improvement of 5°c. I reversed my PSU as well (fan down). As you said, it provides an airflow output which is nice. But also, I noticed that the non-fan side is the warmest point of the unit and it much better away from the CPU, even if the air is a pretty good isolator. :)
PS: Damn those front blue leds are ugly... I advice anyone to not plug this crappy lights.
PS (edit): filling the gap did absolutely nothing.
Just saw this. Glad to hear the changed worked out.
I’m building a entry level gaming pc for a coworker, this is the case he got, I’m dropping a i3 10100 in with a atx 450w psu, I’m considering mounting a scythe shyrken 2 (58 mm tall) cooler with the fan in an updraft orientation, and the Corsair Cx 450 psu fan taking that air and venting it out the back. Woul it be better this way then say using the stock i3 cooler?
Good question. I really don't believe in slipping fans to make them operate out of spec. I doubt the Shuriken 2 will perform well in the setup you've described. With the Core i3-10100, it's unnecessary anyway, so just use the stock cooler and point the PSU fan towards the top of the chassis. Easy and cheap solution.
I just binge watched all of your SG13 cooling videos (thank you for all of them) and noticed the GPU temps between 81 - 85 in all of them. Is there any concern with that? Or is that normal / safe under gaming or testing loads and that's why you solely focused on the CPU temps?
Glad you enjoyed them, you may be my first binge watcher! ;)
Those GPU temps are completely normal, specifically because I'm using a glower-style GTX 1080 Founders Edition that was known to run like that in most cases, not just small cases. Now when I did the test with the RTX 2080 Ti, that was pretty hot, and not exactly ideal, but mostly due to the noise. It's not an issue of damaging the card. It can run like that forever. The GPU throttles at 88C specifically to protect it from damage.
does this push fan orientation youre talking about is the same as exhaust?
Hi! First off, great videos. I’m glad I found your content as it is good quality. Second, is the H60 (not 2018) version fine for a 2700 non x? The Best Buy near me has the old model which I prefer since it doesn’t have the white led on it but I’m not sure if the performance is a lot worse than the 2018 updated model. Hopefully it’s minuscule in terms of 2-3 degrees C. Thanks for your help!
That cooler will be good enough for the 2700. I never tested it, but it's probably fairly similar to the newer version, in fact the main thing Corsair tried to do with its newer AIOs is lower the noise level. But you really should be getting a discount on it from Best Buy. I would not pay full price for it ($80).
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Hey thanks for the reply. I ended up getting it under retail since I had rewards and a 10% discount on top from shopping with them previously. I actually just finished putting the SG-13B together. My main concern is noise but if the fan is noisy I really dont mind getting the noctua fan you recommended!
The Noctua is the best, but another great upgrade for that cooler is the Arctic P12 PWM: amzn.to/2X8mjI2. It's so cheap that it's basically an "essential" upgrade to any Corsair cooler. You can learn more in this fan shootout: ruclips.net/video/W2Zis8RjcX8/видео.html
What model of rx6700xt can fit this case?
Nice review. I build PC with this case a month ago just with stock Ryzen 5 3600 cooler and plan to get lowering the temp. I use Zotac 1650 Super for GPU, so it's more smaller. would it have different effect?
And some people suggest to put exhaust fan at right side of the case with Noctua NF-A9x14. So my first plan before watch your review is to put Noctua NF-A12x25 as intake from the front and Noctua NF-A9x14 as exhaust at the right side. What do you think?
The NF-A12x25 mounted as an intake fan will do far more than the 92mm exhaust fan. Just start with that. The case really needs an intake fan to work properly.
Hey loving the videos, this video really helped me in making my choice for an upcoming build. I was wondering if a EVGA rtx 2060 super sc ultra with the dimension Length: 10.62 in or 269.83 mm would fit into the sg13 or not, But u went ahead and tried out a evga 2080ti so im sure a 2060super would fit xD
Oh yes, the 2060 Super SC Ultra (amzn.to/3cGo4kZ) will fit. Of course it is sold out, along with every 2060 Super! Just be very careful *not* to order the "XC Ultra" (amzn.to/2Uo6vzC) which is a triple-slot GPU. It will not fit, despite a very similar name!
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Great, Thanks for the reply! Good thing for me the e commerce stores here in Indonesia have the evga 2060 super sc ultra in stock, Would be looking to make a new itx build with the sg13 case soon. Thanks for the videos they have been very helpful. Cheers.
Can we squeeze a fan on the other side wall next to the psu ? There are air holes but I do not know the clearance.
Some people fit a 92mm fan in there. I've never tried it, but I know it's possible.
Did you ever try doing a negative pressure setup? Have the AIO fan flipped to pull out the heat from the system. Although I understand if you have the cpu cooling as a priority.
I did, it was much, much worse: ruclips.net/video/RD2sKZiVEIc/видео.html
Skip to the end to see the benchmarks.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Ahh, I see, thanks for the response.
I am building with this case and using the H60 + Noctua intake fan combo you recommended. I am a first time builder so I just need some clarification: Do I need another separate case fan or can i rely on the psu fan to exhaust?
You actually can't fit another case fan in, so yes, you want to use the power supply fan to exhaust the air. Some people attach a tiny 92mm fan to the side vent, but I don't think that's necessary. Standard screws won't fit through the vent, so you either have to drill it out or use zipties. Not my sort of solution, but some people are into that.
I really liked your channel and guides, keep up the good work!
I have a question tho, I'm doing the exact same build but Im not sure if I should go for the 2070 Super Mini from Zotac, or a 2070 Super Blower edition, could you share your insights and data, if you have, about this comparison? Mostly Im concerned about noise and thermals, I feel like the 2070 Super Mini should be the best one for this particular build, but Im open to change. Thanks!
This is a great question! While I didn't test this exact setup, what my benchmarks show is that with an open-air cooler, you will have higher CPU temps, so you have to be reasonable about the amount of power you put in. I tested a 180W TDP GPU in a blower style (the GTX 1080) and a 250W TDP GPU in an open air style (the RTX 2080 Ti). The RTX 2080 Ti was a bad match for the SG13 case. With the RTX 2070 Super, which has 215W TDP, a blower-style card would operate very much like my GTX 1080, and an open air card will run cooler while heating up the CPU. I think either will work without causing unreasonable amounts of noise, and especially if you're using a liquid cooler, it will be able to compensate for the additional heat of an open air GPU. If you have a lower-wattage CPU, it's probably best to go with open-air, while f you have a higher-wattage CPU (or want to overclock), it's better to go for a blower, but there aren't many made anymore!
It's not going to be that soon. September is current estimate, could change though.
Hi! I happen to saw a sale for this exact case and was wondering if I could change my case. I got i5-9400f + msi h310m board with rtx 2060 super mini from zotac. What should I add for cooling?
That gear will all work well in the SG13. You could use the stock Intel cooler, but if you want a big upgrade, you'll need to use an SFX power supply. Then you'll want to get the Noctua NH-L12S: amzn.to/3ffswZd
If using an ATX power supply from another case, the best cooler to use is probably the Scythe Shuriken 2 - amzn.to/3hRSlA9.
Just a little wonder:
The SFX PSU in that build is just suspended mid air without any supports right?
Do you notice any evidence of sagging that may appear in the future?
Nope, no problem, the PSU is bolted in with four screws, there's no way it can sag if you tighten them down. The PSU is very light compared to an ATX unit.
Hello Ari, love the coverage for the sg13. I'm about to order my parts except that I'm left with one question. Do you think a push/pull would work better as an exhaust if you add another fan on the side as an intake? I've seen others add either a 120 or 80mm fan on the left side. Thanks!
I like the idea of trying an exhaust setup with the small side fan as intake. I don't believe push/pull will make a difference as the radiator is too small.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru thanks for the reply!
Hi, great video! Will this case fit a SFX-L power supply, the Silverstone SST-SX500-LG v2.0? Thanks :) Also do you believe that you can get away with a non-modular SFX psu with a stock air cooler for ryzen 5 2600? I.e is a modular SFX psu a must because of space.
It will fit the SX500-LG (amzn.to/2M0QZ8k), but it will be pretty tight around the liquid cooling hoses. But if you're using the stock air cooler, it would work just fine. Under no circumstances should you use a non-modular PSU in this case - what a mess that would be!
Great series of SG13. Based on them I've just ordered my new rig: SG13, Seasonic FOCUS SGX-650 SFX-L, Asrock Z490 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3, Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz, Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR4 3600, ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB 3D NAND, SilverStone SST-PF120-ARGB Permafrost 120mm. I hope I made the correct choices. And I am waiting for the new RTX 3080 series to come up. I was about to get an EVGA RTX 2080 KO but it is not available anymore on their site. And then I heard about the possible arriving of the 3080 series. Did I make the correct choices? Would you have anything else to consider? Thank you so much and keep going!!!! EDIT: And I have a Phanteks PH-F120 in my current rig that I could use with the PF120 AIO.
You made great choices, I agree with everything. No need to swap the cooler's fan, I doubt the Phanteks fan is better than the AB120R on the PM120. You are running a power-hungry system, so be realistic about the temps to expect. That's absolutely the hottest CPU I'd put in this system, so you're maxing out the cooling.
If you want to pick up an EVGA RTX 2080 Super, you can do so at Newegg: click.linksynergy.com/deeplink?id=WAzU8cLhuCU&mid=44583&murl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2Fevga-geforce-rtx-2080-super-08g-p4-2083-kr%2Fp%2FN82E16814487498%3FItem%3DN82E16814487498
The 3080 series is definitely coming, and the 2080 Super is definitely EOL, but you can take advantage of EVGA's 90-day Step-Up program if you're in the US, Canada, or the EU, and play the rest of the summer while everyone else is sitting on a GPU-less new build wondering when those cards are actually going to hit retail in quantity, which most definitely will not be the day they are launched!
@@TheTechBuyersGuru great tip! Unfortunately I'm not suitable for the EVGA's 90-day Step-Up program as I live in Brazil. I'll have to keep with my NVIDIA GTX 760 while RTX 3080 doesn't hit the market. The only thing I'm now worried is the "power-hungry system" and the "hottest CPU" you said... I hope this cooling solution works for the setup. Thank you so much for your time and attention replying.
I believe you will be fine. In the worst case scenario, you could upgrade the cooler's fan to the Noctua NF-A12x25, which is overall more powerful than the AB120R fan. As long as you don't expect to get huge overclocks out of your 10700K, you won't be disappointed in this build!
@@TheTechBuyersGuru I really would like to run some games using the 5GHz capacity of this processor. And I thought it would not be a problem using this cooling solution.
Was you psu still in the down position once you added the graphics cards in?
Yes. Chose optimal setup based on first graph in video.
Thanks for the information! One question, I see that you posted in the description a 500w power supply. Will this work with the RTX 2070 Super? I manufacture recommends a 650w.
Yes it will. EVGA specifies a 650W PSU for the RTX 2070 Super all the way up to the RTX 2080 Ti, but they use vastly different amounts of power. With that said, you'll have more headroom for upgrades if you get the SX650-G. Unfortunately, with the current shortage of power supplies, both units are sold out, so you may just want to jump up to the 700W unit at this point: amzn.to/2AQC661. Both the 500W and 650W versions were in stock earlier today (I check about 10x a day, literally, as I need to update my buyer's guides that often), but I can't tell you if they'll be back again tomorrow, next week, or next month. The 700W model hasn't sold out once since this shortage began in March.
You can run a 2070S on a 500 gold easily
Could you test the temps with the AIO as exhaust in order to exhaust the GPU's heat?
Actually did that a long time ago - check it out here: ruclips.net/video/vPDBENpbzJ4/видео.html
Turned out the results were bad, so I never repeated it.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Thank you kindly. I especially appreciate your swift response.
Hi Tech Buyer Guru! Hope you'll read this comment. Watched many of your videos and then I did this build using your latest suggested part list, (except for the Noctua fan, using the one that came with the PF120), but my CPU temps are much higher than your benchmarks when stressed (never in 60s, always mid-high 70s). I confirmed radiator fan is running at 100% and pump fan is working as well. What do you think is the most likely think that's wrong or I messed up while putting together? Not sure what to do. Thanks in advance!
Can you confirm which benchmarks you are running and what the ambient temperature is in your computer area?
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Ambient temperature is low 70s (F). I'm just clicking the Stress CPU button in CPU-Z and watching temps via the MSi dragon center app: i.imgur.com/seV9ZY9.png which looks like it's giving me 74C now which is already too high I'd think, but I saw higher while gaming as well.
Are you running the Ryzen 7 3700X or the Ryzen 5 3600? I've mentioned both in my videos.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru 3700X
Came across a video that said to turn off core performance boost via bios for 3700x and that seems to have fixed it! low temps now, hopefully that's an ok thing to do. Games seem to still run fine.
Hello,
First of all I love your videos and built my first SFFPC following your video!
I now own a SG13 with a Ryzen 5 3600, B450 Aorus Pro, GTX 1660S, Corsair H60 (stock fan) and a Seasonic GX550W ATX PSU.
While watching your videos to improve temperatures, my CPU avergar was at 53° and my GPU at 49°. I'm new here but this seems a little bit high or am I wrong?
The AIO fan is set as intake and, while watching your videos on Chrome, the fan ramps up for some seconds and return to "normal" quite some times. The PSU is facing down to exhaust the hot air, but I don't know if I'm doing something wrong.
I didn't stress test it yet because I'm worried with the idle temps. Because of that let me ask you some questions:
1 - Do you think I should return the PSU and buy an SFX to try to improve my cable management even more? They are pricier, but if it improves my temps I think is worth it;
2 - Do you think I should put another fan on the case to help at exhaust?
3 - Is it possible that I screwed up with something while building that affect the temps?
4 - Should I try some tweaking on the BIOS?
Sorry for the long comment and keep up with the good work!
Welcome, Wardlee! So, it sounds like your system is very similar to my test bench, except for one glaring difference: the ATX PSU that is blocking all airflow in your case. Of course, my first suggestion would be to swap it out, but that is an expensive proposition. And honestly, until you run some stress tests, you don't have a good comparison. You are referring to idle temps, and those simply aren't relevant. You can clean those up using a fan curve. By default, yes, the fan will ramp up every time you open a browser tab, and that's annoying. You should set a fan profile on your cooler so it only ramps up above 60C. But to know if your cooler is not working, or if the airflow problem is critical, you have to run CPU-z's built-in stress test and check the temps after about 5 minutes. Then we can talk other improvements.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Hi again,
Thank you a lot for replying!
Ran the CPU-Z stress test for 5 minutes and my CPU hit the maximum of 70.6°
I will definitely search on how to change the fan curve.
Saturday I may try to improve my cable management (unfortunately I have a SATA cable only for the AIO) and see if it helps. Right now I have the space between the motherboard and the PSU empty, with all the cables "around" the radiator leaving only the AIO tubes in front of it. I'm scared of bending them so I gave them as little bend as possible.
Thank you once again!
Sounds like your cooler is working perfectly. The H60 is a bit annoying due to the need for the SATA cable. That's why I've switched my recommendation to the SilverStone PF120. By the way, you should consider upgrading the stock fan on the H60 to an Arctic P12 PWM: amzn.to/2CJV3Zv. It will quiet down your PC a lot, while offering slightly better performance.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru fantastic, maybe this temps are normal and I'm just new ahah
Just saw your recommendation after buying the H60, what is sad because it is 20€ cheaper (even though i don't care about the rgb).
I was thinking about buying a Noctua A12, but I will see prices first
Thank you a lot man, keep up with the good worl
The Noctua NF-A12x25 is the best radiator fan, you can see that in my videos on the subject. But it does cost about 3x more than the Arctic.
Hi. Great video. One question - I could only find the Noctua F12 PWM fan instead of the A-12x25 where i live. Will this work as the radiator fan on the 120mm AIO?
I would not recommend the F12 for a radiator. It's an old design and underperforms other models. My favorite widely-available fan for radiators besides the A12x25 is the Arctic P12 PWM: amzn.to/3lyDhu1
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Thanks a lot, this ships to my place. Also can we fit in a 140mm AIO in the SG13 and use a shorter GPU for better thermals?
No. Using a 140mm AIO would require a GPU shorter than 8.5". That rules out every high-powered card.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru Cool. Thanks a lot. Best series on SG13 on youtube by some distance.
i went and bought the evga clc 120 cl11 for my SG13 build with on a 9400f what do u think
Well, I've never used that cooler, but I have two thoughts:
(1) the 9400f probably doesn't generate enough heat to really need an AIO, although the stock cooler is truly inadequate for it, so you had to buy something, and the CLC 120 is very cheap. Another option is the Noctua NH-L12S (amzn.to/3heTEJN), which would be a perfect match for that CPU.
(2) I'm a little concerned that the way the coolant tubes exit the cooling block is going to cause some clearance issues with the power supply mounted above them. I can't quite tell how much flex there is, but the coolers I've mounted have all had swiveling tubes that can be directed to the side, and it looks like the CLC's point up. You may want to eyeball the clearance before mounting the motherboard and cooler into place.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru i went with an SFX psu SF750 clearance shouldint be an issue and i did see a video with a sg13 and the clc120..ur right it is cheap.. but lots of good reviews and i dont really need something fancy either since its not really visible inside the case if that makes sense... i also have a zotac 1660ti amp so abit smaller then normal lenght gpu
What was causing the camera shake?
Yeah, I noticed that too after I shot it, but really couldn't reshoot the whole thing. Maybe there was some vibration in my house from a washer. I'm using a simple Multi-Mount monopod from Elgato (amzn.to/2TvzTn8) for my my main camera, as my bulky tripod is set up for closeups. Typically the monopod isn't really a problem, but this time it didn't quite get the job done.
I have an EVGA 2060 sc ultra, no backplate. Do you think that having no metal backplate is an issue in a case like this?
The lack of a backplate isn't an issue for use in the case. The one issue related to this specific build is that the liquid coolant hoses will push up against the back of the GPU's PCB. Install the video card after the cooler so you can hold the hoses out of the way while installing the video card.
Psu up or down?
Watch the video!
@@TheTechBuyersGuru I have. Three times! It's better with PSU down but when I tried it's pumping out so much hot air I'm worried it stresses it out too much.
Better it's pumping out hot air than it's sitting inside! Yes, it puts more stress on PSU, but reduces stress on everything else, so it's a fair tradeoff.
@@TheTechBuyersGuru thank you so much for replying and for the vids. Really appreciate it.