Before the inevitable 'Gateship vs Puddle Jumper' comments flood in, I should point out that the Asurans called these things Gateships, so the Lanteans almost certainly did too. Puddle Jumper works as a nickname but if we're looking for the actual factory name of this craft then 'Gateship' is your best bet.
Proud ToBe extremely unlikely.These drones were designed to pierce right through energy shields and entire ships multiple times. Simple CIWS like the PDCs would barely do anything as it will just simply destroy the rounds that manage to hit it as it flies through. Laser types might be able to do it but again, these things pierce through energy shields on a regular basis that the energy comparison of a point defense laser is negligible in comparison to that of shields capable of withstanding nukes up to 1 gigaton of TNT on average.
The puddle jumper remains one of my all-time favorite small craft designs in science fiction. Ignoring how OP the tech is, the design has a beautiful sort of utilitarian aesthetic. It's what a shuttle-craft needs to be, and nothing more.
Don't forget the time in season 8 where O'Neill 1-shot a fully operational Ha'tak with 2 drones from a jumper. In season 1, they were only able to destroy those by sabotaging them from the inside. And even the Tollan took several shots to take one down.
Drones don’t cause so much explosive damage, what makes them truly dangerous is their ability to burrow though hulls and trigger secondary explosives. O’neill Must have used his vast experience of Hatak to identify and destroy reactors and power conduits within the ship, triggering its destruction. Anyone else could have hit it repeatedly And not completely destroy it.
Unfortunatly that has always bugged me with the ancients. For a super advanced race, their tech level has stagnated for so long it's scary. Compare them to modern humans, we design a new fighter and by the time its passed flight trials its out of date, and yet the puddle jumper at millions of years old, is still one if the most advanced ships the ancients had.
Well, after several million years without maintenance one can expect some slight problems. It's actually still better than Starfleet shuttles or irl helicopters.
The one that got stuck in a stargate did so because of the drivepods being damaged in combat. If the crew consisted of actual ancients who knew what they're doing they'd fix the issue within minutes and continue on.
When it comes to sci-fi spacecraft, there are many criteria by which to classify a 'good ship.' Sometimes it's because it's stylish: Because it looks cool, does sweet maneuvers, and kicks ass. Sometimes it's because the ship just has a lot of personality, and you develop an emotional connection with it. Sometimes it's because of the ship's utility to the story, that allows the writers to craft really fun and interesting scenarios around it. The Atlantis Puddle-Jumper is one of my absolute favorite sci-fi ships because it fits all three. Personally though, I think it does the last category best. Many of my favorite Atlantis episodes (Thirty-Eight Minutes, Grace Under Pressure, ect) are built around a scenario only made possible by a Jumper's configuration, which is pretty impressive when you consider that it never once had any kind of update or redesign since its first appearance on the show. Just a masterpiece of production design.
Hey spacedock, I would like to see what your personal battle fleet would look like if you were given the freedom to pick only one element from all the different Fantasy IPs in fiction to create your army. Example would your fleet consist of Borg drones for infantry or spartan warriors from Halo, would you choose the Death Star as your super dreadnaught or a Reaper etc. You are free to create the perfect galaxy dominating force, the only rule is you can only have one element from a given fictional fictional IP.
well for one, the only actual quality factor about the reapers is their passive indoctrination effect. The payload of their weapons are dogshit in every sense of the word, and could be completely out-done at any point in time by energy based weapons due to their only defenses being kinetic based.
It’s mostly going to be stargate/wh40k/culture stuff as they tend to have the highest power. Maybe add in some of the most ridiculous Star Wars stuff like the indestructible fighter that can blow up stars and you’ve basically got an unstoppable force.
It was. That's why it upset me a bit when in one scene they showed the Jumper fire not one but THREE drones in order to dispatch a SINGLE Dart guarding a space gate, while the other dart was left unscathed. A single drone should tear through one like a hot knife through butter, circle around and tear a new behind to the other guy with no effort.
HiopX the power of the drone weapons was inconsistent. It may be u can adjust the power usage (so the yield), when they took down the hatak the ship only had 1/2 drone's, so they gave them more power. We saw drones from weapon platforms/aurora tearing through stuff
P3x310 Keep in mind those drones were launched and controlled by John Sheppard who had very little knowledge of ancient technology at the time. He used a tactic that was most likely drilled into him at earth's flight school: a tri-formation of missiles.
Great, but you did skip two of the later modifications the Tau'ri made to the standard Puddle Jumper. First is the capability to exchange cloaking for shields at any time which as employed often. There was also a variant with warp capability developed by Mckay, this was first used following the first Tau'ri launch of Atlantis. There is also an example of a Puddle Jumper with time travel capability, but seeing as there were only two ever created and one was wiped from the timeline and the other was dismantled, they can be mostly ignored.
actually despite being destroyed the time jumper still manages to return in the story due to some paradoxical stuff its hard to say how many there are in the timeline but there is at least one
Every ship in stargate could do, as they are incredibly overpowered. In Stargate Atlantis, the Daedalus survives a solar flare storm which would have destroyed atlantis. So yes, Stargate ships are op. Pls nerf :D
the daedalus only survives the "solar flare storm" (a.k.a the coronal mass ejection which is way more powerful than a normal solar flare) due to the assistance of the zero point module they took from atlantis and installed in the daedalus
Erika Söderlund It was said a STANDARD gateship only has a cloaking device. The other versions with shields and FTL capabilities were definitely non standard.
They do... The field emitters were not created to do so but can be changed within a few seconds if needed (unless cloaked, which then it takes a bit longer). The shield emitters on Atlantis could do the same thing (maybe more effective, but it could) as well.
No mention of the variants? There was a modified gate ship that could travel in time and the Atlantis team managed to convert the shield into a cloak. Oh and Rodney created a limited hyperspace jump drive for another puddle jumper. I'm sad these were not mentioned.
This video was more about the basics of the ship. All your points were special customisations both by the Tau'ri and the Lanteans, but not standard features.
@@PaladinPoppie well, there was that time he linked the Puddle Jumper cloak to Atlantis' shield generator to turn that into a cloak... that still sounds weird...
Hyperspace variant was mentioned in the ship specification at 0:53 As for the time travel variant it did not exist in the main timeline, as the research was discovered and pre-emptively stopped/destroyed by the Ancients when Weir time travelled from the sinking Atlantis. The trade-off was Atlantis having enough power when Tauri stepped through the gate for the first time.
@@LecherousLizard Yes, the time travel variant did exist in the main timeline, in the Milky Way, which O'Neill piloted in the season 8 episode 'It's Good to be King'. It was left behind by Janus, which he built after his return to Earth, after leaving Dr Weir in Atlantis.
I love watching your videos, your presentation is great and your voice fits very well in them. It truly feels like a documentary from the universe itself and actually got me watching Battlestar for the first time. Keep up the great work!
There were a few variations as well. Time ship, Underwater ships (I believe when they first find the lower bay they find a few that look different, and the Hyperdrive variant McCay built.
Oddly enough, there are consistencies between Stargate and Star Trek on these issues of not being able to fire when cloaked. This also appears to be consistant with UFO encounters in real life. Perhaps SciFi hit the bullseye on this aspect.
Narratively cloaking is way overpowered already. If they could also fire while cloaked there would be no risk for the characters. The solution to every problem would be right there, so where’s the excitement in the story?
@@Greysen2025 Eh, I don't think "no firing while cloaked was that hard of a limit in stargate. I mean ships can enter and exit atlantis while cloaked, so shouldn't drones be able to? I think it's more about not giving away your position, because you may be cloaked but your projectiles won't be.
Can we get Spacedock videos for the following ship and tech from Stargate: - Ancient Super Weapon [Chair] - Hasara Space Station - Midway Space Station - Lagrangian Point Satellite - Dakara Super Weapon - Replicator Attack Vessel - Gadmeer Terraformer - Stromos - Seberus - Tollan Stargate - Orlin's Stargate We understand that some of these items may require speculation on their dimensions, history, etc due to limited avaliable information. Any speculation as well as what factual knowledge there is avaliable is gladly welcomed. Thanks and can't wait to see these possible future videos!
Puddle jumper is a nickname for small passenger aircraft such as those commonly used for short range commercial flights. John Sheppard as a pilot may have named it for that.
The thing I never ever understood in the episode where McKay instals a virtual hyperspace engine but power was a problem why not just take with you a mark 2 naquda reactor??
From my knowledge of the StarGate Universe... they weren't powerful enough. You needed something more powerful: a Zero-Point Energy Module (ZPE)? A device/module which pulls power from subspace. The Atlantis Spaceship needed 3 of them to fully function, whereas the Teran (or earth) defenses only required 1 to save Earth from Anubis.
@@Greysen2025 Yes, exactly. The abbreviation you were looking for is ZPM. To add onto what you said, I tried to figure power output for reactors vs ZPMs. Forgive me if I screwed up my math, everyone. Based on the episodes Hot Zone/Hide and Seek, a Mark I NG can output about 20kt / 23,244.44MW/h of power in just 30 secs. (when set to overload), or about a rate of 2.8 million Mwh of power (output x 120, assuming it could produce 20kt worth of power every 30 sec. - and yes, I rounded that for simplicity's sake). *Note: If the MING's explosive yield equals what it would achieve **_in its lifetime,_** then just divide my results again by 120.* A Mark II could produce about 600% of this, or about 16.7 million MW/h (16.7 TW/h). A Control Chair either required two of these, or one ZPM. So, based on my attempts at calculation with the limited info available and my rusty mathematics skills, a ZPM can produce about 33,400 GW/h (33.4 TW/h). For reference, the entire world uses an average of 17,700 Gigawatts (ref: www.theworldcounts.com/stories/current_world_energy_consumption). Mark II and later ran at barely stable rates with these numbers, and depleted rapidly. Idk if a M2 NG and a ZPM would deplete at the same rate, and this is all just guesstimation on my part. But if two M2NGs equals exactly one ZPM, it would take 6 to fully power Atlantis, vs 3 ZPMs. The alternate timeline Mark XII NG was capable of running Atlantis' shielding for 800 years (with some extra solar paneling). *If anyone can figure all this better than I did, please comment the correct numbers for us all. Thanks!* Edit: I've scoured forums about this, and ZPM levels listed are all over the place, often being much higher than my estimate. Of course, a ZPM's limitations are dependent on plot, and so can be however high (or low) it needs to be, but it's still fun to try to pin down. For Samantha's use of the Chair in an alternate timeline, she only needed 80% of the US power grid in lieu of a ZPM, which is relatively low.
A mark 4 naquada generator was 6x stronger than a mark 2 good enough to power for a hyperspace for something small as a puddle jumper , if they try to reengineer and try to mass produce a few hundred puddle jumpers with drones, shields, invisibility cloaking and ba small portable nuke just in case if need to and jumpers come with 12 drones and it just takes 8 good shots to take out a hive ship and 4 drones to take a cruiser and if they a portable nuke and released to in a hive to take it out , use teams of 2 jumpers to take a fleet of wraith ships Atlantis could basically take out the wraith easier and if could get there hands on a few small gau'ld ships with cloaking with a portable nuke it can help out even better lol
@@Greysen2025 you don’t need a zpm to enter hyperspace, the jumpers didn’t use zpm’s they had their power system recharged when they docked in Atlantis, so they could go to hyperspace with the power on bored, hooking up a pair of mark 2 generators would augment it’s power output. maybe it wasn’t compatible
Yes, yes, gold star for you. But, since the Lanteans are essentially the continuation of Alteran civilization after the Ori schism, either term would be suitable; they're the same people, and retained ownership of the Gateships.
One thing I never got was why (in most, if not all, cases) they activated the cloak of these ships AFTER going through the Stargate, risking anyone on the other side seeing them emerge even if only momentarily. Surely activating the cloak and THEN going through would be better? (Keep in mind, it's been a long while since I've watched Atlantis, but I'm sure they don't do it the latter way most of the time)
Wished they did would make one hell of a open world game going to different planets and using jumpers to fight the wraith ships , and colonize other planets and make alliances to work with, one jumper with a small tactical nuke under the jumper could take out a fleet of wraith ships go in cloaked sneak into hive ship drop nuke in its bay area , fly out and use 3 drone strikes on each of the 3 cruisers that accompany it and let the nuke go off to blow up hive ship and fly off to stargate to escape lol
The Wraith when they 1st came into conflict with the Lantians weren't spacefaring and only had an interstellar reach thanks to Stargates. If the Lantians won EVERY battle, the Wraith wouldn't have lasted long enough to capture a ZPM. The Lantians won every MAJOR battle prior to the Wraith getting ZPMs to power their fleet building and cloning but the Wraith fought back well enough to maintain a stalemate prior to that.
all it took was losing a single ZPM from any one of the many ships for the wraith to power their cloning facilities, and basically just completely zerg rush the lanteans on their single fortress from their single planet in the galaxy.
Except the human morons never activated the cloak before entering a gate. Usually drawing fire exiting the other end before engaging cloak, much of the time damaging the ship in the process. The inverse is also true, as demonstrated in the pilot episode where the team make strafing runs at the gate guarded by the Wraith. Major Shepard states the Wraith could "blow us away on our approach", meanwhile one could activate the gate while cloaked, and then simply wait for the Wraith to eventually stop shooting, and then decloak at the last second before entering. The Atlantis Expedition also loses tens of Jumpers throughout their stay on Atlantis, demonstrating their complete disregard for alien technological artifacts that have survived millions of years, only to be destroyed and not given a moments' thought by the Expedition. You can't replace them guys FFS, stop blowing them up.
They first called themselves Alterans. After the schism from which the Ori faction formed, the mainstream Alterans began to refer to themselves as the Ancients. Then, upon leaving the Milky Was for Pegasus, they called themselves Lanteans. The people of Pegasus also refer to them as the Ancestors.
So where do the engine/weapon pods go when they’re retracted? They obviously don’t encroach into the passenger compartment and the outer hull isn’t thick enough to cover them. I know the Ancients were advanced, but I didn’t think they were TARDIS level advanced!
Could someone give me some creation tools to create 2D tactical maps for space fleet battles, like the ones in spacedock's videos? thank you. Btw, Love your videos!
As much as I love these things, I think that they should probably be retired. Not because they can't do the job, Christ knows how effective, flexible, and powerful they can be in the right hands, but I think they're just too valuable to Earth as a whole. From a technological and historical perspective these things are essentially priceless, they need to be preserved as artifacts, not risked on military excursions, not unless they're fate-of-the-galaxy important (yes, I realize that's basically every other Tuesday for SG-1 and AR-1). I'm sure that between Carter and McKay, a suitable replacement can be created using all the technology the Tau'ri have acquired over the years.
Never liked the puddle jumpers to be honest, thought the Jaffa “needle” fighter was far more badass, although admittedly when you look at the is the puddle jumpers and wraith darts have going through Stargate, it’s a bit hard to swallow Breetack’s exclamation that the craft could only be piloted by experts and the “young”, which was why the design was abandoned. It really undermines the ghoul’d as a serious threat when compared to the wraith where that’s standard operating procedure..
The jumpers had autopilot for going through the gate the "needle" fighter didn't. The wraith darth are far smaller and have a much bigger allowance for error on the stargate approach path.
The Goa'uld are terrible engineers in general. The only thing that kept their empire in good shape was the lack of motivation to conquer from the other faction. That is why they got their asses kicked by the Tau'ri and replicators. The Wraith needed to use the gates as a vector for their darth because their hive ships were limited in range. They also were in a dire supply situation so optimisation were needed. Goa'ulds on the other hand had a bulky but good enough hyperspace drive and since they aimed at terrorizing planets having a giant ship piercing the skies is a pretty good mean. And while fighting the Tau'ri and the instable political situation forced them to technologically wake up, their military strategies were fixed in stone and war is not the right time to change your doctrine.
I'm enjoying it, the budget is kind of low, but what do you expect from a short web series? And if you mean the fact that it's cheesy, go re-watch sg1, I love it, but one of the things that made it great was how cheesy it was.
Well technically MGM's pride fight with the actual creators of Stargate is what killed the franchise. New management at MGM finally figured out that they wasted a major money maker by shutting everything down back then. I refuse to watch Stargate Origins because it purposely does not include any of the original writers or producers (etc.) who worked on the Stargate shows or movies. It's completely an MGM corporate copy, not real Stargate.
Before the inevitable 'Gateship vs Puddle Jumper' comments flood in, I should point out that the Asurans called these things Gateships, so the Lanteans almost certainly did too. Puddle Jumper works as a nickname but if we're looking for the actual factory name of this craft then 'Gateship' is your best bet.
I'm part of the Puddle Jumper faction myself.
Proud ToBe extremely unlikely.These drones were designed to pierce right through energy shields and entire ships multiple times. Simple CIWS like the PDCs would barely do anything as it will just simply destroy the rounds that manage to hit it as it flies through. Laser types might be able to do it but again, these things pierce through energy shields on a regular basis that the energy comparison of a point defense laser is negligible in comparison to that of shields capable of withstanding nukes up to 1 gigaton of TNT on average.
well I recall at least half of episode that boiled down to two guys yelling puddle jumper-gateship at each other.... yeah I mean SGA episode...
No, the drones can only defeated by other drones or the Person how fired them (self distruct).
Gateship, ok Ford, you don't get to name anything, ever.
The puddle jumper remains one of my all-time favorite small craft designs in science fiction. Ignoring how OP the tech is, the design has a beautiful sort of utilitarian aesthetic. It's what a shuttle-craft needs to be, and nothing more.
Don't forget the time in season 8 where O'Neill 1-shot a fully operational Ha'tak with 2 drones from a jumper. In season 1, they were only able to destroy those by sabotaging them from the inside. And even the Tollan took several shots to take one down.
Drones don’t cause so much explosive damage, what makes them truly dangerous is their ability to burrow though hulls and trigger secondary explosives. O’neill Must have used his vast experience of Hatak to identify and destroy reactors and power conduits within the ship, triggering its destruction. Anyone else could have hit it repeatedly And not completely destroy it.
"Unusually long career" is an interesting way of saying millions of years. lol
Unfortunatly that has always bugged me with the ancients. For a super advanced race, their tech level has stagnated for so long it's scary.
Compare them to modern humans, we design a new fighter and by the time its passed flight trials its out of date, and yet the puddle jumper at millions of years old, is still one if the most advanced ships the ancients had.
The idea behind the design is "space faring dodge 15 passenger van" A lot of sci-fi uses that basic idea. when they make utility craft
"Unfailing reliability" - 'Cept y'know, when one got stuck in a Stargate.... and that time one sunk to the bottom of an ocean...
Well, after several million years without maintenance one can expect some slight problems. It's actually still better than Starfleet shuttles or irl helicopters.
You can't blame the underwater part since they modified it hastily but the passenger survived didn't it .
The one that got stuck in a stargate did so because of the drivepods being damaged in combat. If the crew consisted of actual ancients who knew what they're doing they'd fix the issue within minutes and continue on.
Maybe I missed it, did you mention is can act as a submersible.
I don't believe it was mentioned, but yes, I remember that being the case.
There were several Stargate Atlantis eposides chronicling the Puddle Jumper's (or shortened nickname Jumper) submersible capabilities.
Unless damaged, then it becomes a one man Kursk :D
“It’s a ship that goes through the gate!”
I like how McKay was able to finally call it "Gatteship1" in SG1 Mobius part2
@@Greysen2025 I love how everyone somehow still knows it sounds wrong.
Oh, okay. Well, it's official.
You don't get to name anything. Ever.
I love this ship. Its so usefull. It actually looks also good and I love sga
Also. The cloaking generator could be modified to different specifications I.e. force field, anti replicator device or Michael's stun field.
When it comes to sci-fi spacecraft, there are many criteria by which to classify a 'good ship.' Sometimes it's because it's stylish: Because it looks cool, does sweet maneuvers, and kicks ass. Sometimes it's because the ship just has a lot of personality, and you develop an emotional connection with it. Sometimes it's because of the ship's utility to the story, that allows the writers to craft really fun and interesting scenarios around it. The Atlantis Puddle-Jumper is one of my absolute favorite sci-fi ships because it fits all three.
Personally though, I think it does the last category best. Many of my favorite Atlantis episodes (Thirty-Eight Minutes, Grace Under Pressure, ect) are built around a scenario only made possible by a Jumper's configuration, which is pretty impressive when you consider that it never once had any kind of update or redesign since its first appearance on the show. Just a masterpiece of production design.
perfect, just started watching staregate Atlantis
Hey spacedock, I would like to see what your personal battle fleet would look like if you were given the freedom to pick only one element from all the different Fantasy IPs in fiction to create your army. Example would your fleet consist of Borg drones for infantry or spartan warriors from Halo, would you choose the Death Star as your super dreadnaught or a Reaper etc. You are free to create the perfect galaxy dominating force, the only rule is you can only have one element from a given fictional fictional IP.
I NEED TO SEE THIS
well for one, the only actual quality factor about the reapers is their passive indoctrination effect. The payload of their weapons are dogshit in every sense of the word, and could be completely out-done at any point in time by energy based weapons due to their only defenses being kinetic based.
It’s mostly going to be stargate/wh40k/culture stuff as they tend to have the highest power.
Maybe add in some of the most ridiculous Star Wars stuff like the indestructible fighter that can blow up stars and you’ve basically got an unstoppable force.
Love it! as an aside.... You left out that it can also be used as a submersible, with a crush depth of about 1000m
More stargate!!! Thank you!
remember that a single drone was enough to take down a standard Hatak
It was. That's why it upset me a bit when in one scene they showed the Jumper fire not one but THREE drones in order to dispatch a SINGLE Dart guarding a space gate, while the other dart was left unscathed. A single drone should tear through one like a hot knife through butter, circle around and tear a new behind to the other guy with no effort.
HiopX the power of the drone weapons was inconsistent. It may be u can adjust the power usage (so the yield), when they took down the hatak the ship only had 1/2 drone's, so they gave them more power. We saw drones from weapon platforms/aurora tearing through stuff
P3x310 Keep in mind those drones were launched and controlled by John Sheppard who had very little knowledge of ancient technology at the time. He used a tactic that was most likely drilled into him at earth's flight school: a tri-formation of missiles.
Just what I was thinking.
Or maybe the animators got carried away and thought 3 spinning drones would look cool.
Great, but you did skip two of the later modifications the Tau'ri made to the standard Puddle Jumper. First is the capability to exchange cloaking for shields at any time which as employed often. There was also a variant with warp capability developed by Mckay, this was first used following the first Tau'ri launch of Atlantis. There is also an example of a Puddle Jumper with time travel capability, but seeing as there were only two ever created and one was wiped from the timeline and the other was dismantled, they can be mostly ignored.
A bit late, but FTL drive is mentioned in the ship's specification (0:53).
actually despite being destroyed the time jumper still manages to return in the story due to some paradoxical stuff its hard to say how many there are in the timeline but there is at least one
10 seconds in you made me proud. If you did not make a reference to that it. Good job.
Little guys don’t get enough credit. Willing to wager that the Puddlejumper could take out the Infinity from Halo.
Every ship in stargate could do, as they are incredibly overpowered. In Stargate Atlantis, the Daedalus survives a solar flare storm which would have destroyed atlantis. So yes, Stargate ships are op. Pls nerf :D
the daedalus only survives the "solar flare storm" (a.k.a the coronal mass ejection which is way more powerful than a normal solar flare) due to the assistance of the zero point module they took from atlantis and installed in the daedalus
@@blaze-ex8ht The Destiny woo is very old, can enter on the sun
@@wickiei4556 ZPM powered asgard shields, yeah that will do the trick
@@7dragons7swords It was specifically designed to do that though.
Puddle Jumpers is a nickname for any short range aircraft,The cloaking device is powerful enough to cloak the entire Atlantis city ship
Puddle jumper flown by Sheppard (who has clearly watched Star Wars) armed with two drones, vs Death Star.
No shields? The cloaking device can double as one if you understand the tech.
Erika Söderlund the ship was shielded
Erika Söderlund It was said a STANDARD gateship only has a cloaking device.
The other versions with shields and FTL capabilities were definitely non standard.
They do...
The field emitters were not created to do so but can be changed within a few seconds if needed (unless cloaked, which then it takes a bit longer).
The shield emitters on Atlantis could do the same thing (maybe more effective, but it could) as well.
I'm pretty sure it's shielded by default and Rodney set it up to toggle between shield and cloak.
Most were defaulted as cloaking and then what you said... Rodney changed it to toggle
I believe a time-machine version was discovered by SG1 in the Milky Way at some point (unless that was some elaborate dream I had).
No mention of the variants? There was a modified gate ship that could travel in time and the Atlantis team managed to convert the shield into a cloak. Oh and Rodney created a limited hyperspace jump drive for another puddle jumper. I'm sad these were not mentioned.
This video was more about the basics of the ship. All your points were special customisations both by the Tau'ri and the Lanteans, but not standard features.
It was the other way around. McKay converted the cloak into a shield.
Other than that I agree.
@@PaladinPoppie well, there was that time he linked the Puddle Jumper cloak to Atlantis' shield generator to turn that into a cloak... that still sounds weird...
Hyperspace variant was mentioned in the ship specification at 0:53
As for the time travel variant it did not exist in the main timeline, as the research was discovered and pre-emptively stopped/destroyed by the Ancients when Weir time travelled from the sinking Atlantis. The trade-off was Atlantis having enough power when Tauri stepped through the gate for the first time.
@@LecherousLizard Yes, the time travel variant did exist in the main timeline, in the Milky Way, which O'Neill piloted in the season 8 episode 'It's Good to be King'. It was left behind by Janus, which he built after his return to Earth, after leaving Dr Weir in Atlantis.
Dead clever. I know I would like to pilot one. Alas, I can barely fly a kite.:)
Neat can you please do the Hammer Head from Space Above and Beyond.
Great job. A video on the Aurora class Atlantian ships would be great!
It's by far my Favorite ships of its Size
I love watching your videos, your presentation is great and your voice fits very well in them. It truly feels like a documentary from the universe itself and actually got me watching Battlestar for the first time. Keep up the great work!
Love the jumpers..
There were a few variations as well. Time ship, Underwater ships (I believe when they first find the lower bay they find a few that look different, and the Hyperdrive variant McCay built.
Can also be used for time travel.
This is the reason why some of the visual cloaking device dose in fact work in sci-fi, but I do agree that most movies and shows play this off wrong.
Oddly enough, there are consistencies between Stargate and Star Trek on these issues of not being able to fire when cloaked. This also appears to be consistant with UFO encounters in real life.
Perhaps SciFi hit the bullseye on this aspect.
Narratively cloaking is way overpowered already. If they could also fire while cloaked there would be no risk for the characters. The solution to every problem would be right there, so where’s the excitement in the story?
@@Greysen2025 Eh, I don't think "no firing while cloaked was that hard of a limit in stargate. I mean ships can enter and exit atlantis while cloaked, so shouldn't drones be able to? I think it's more about not giving away your position, because you may be cloaked but your projectiles won't be.
For a puddle jumper (Gateship), it has impressive specs.
Can we get Spacedock videos for the following ship and tech from Stargate:
- Ancient Super Weapon [Chair]
- Hasara Space Station
- Midway Space Station
- Lagrangian Point Satellite
- Dakara Super Weapon
- Replicator Attack Vessel
- Gadmeer Terraformer
- Stromos
- Seberus
- Tollan Stargate
- Orlin's Stargate
We understand that some of these items may require speculation on their dimensions, history, etc due to limited avaliable information. Any speculation as well as what factual knowledge there is avaliable is gladly welcomed. Thanks and can't wait to see these possible future videos!
aw he didn't mention the puddle jumper time machine
Nor the shield upgrade, but he did describe a "standard Jumper". Though a short list of extra one-off features could be mentioned, yes.
That was a fun movie.
"Ancient Technology Activation Gene" - in the Series, they simply call it the "Ancient Gene"
Or, by shortening the name, ATA gene.
I love the Puddlejumpers.
The closer to a living entity a ship is the more advanced it becomes ;)
Puddle jumper is a nickname for small passenger aircraft such as those commonly used for short range commercial flights. John Sheppard as a pilot may have named it for that.
It's probably because of the water-like effect of an active Stargate
I expected a mention of its submersible features, with Cloak->Shield conversion for deeper depths and the drones having squid-like features
The show shows puddle jumpers with shields many times.
The thing I never ever understood in the episode where McKay instals a virtual hyperspace engine but power was a problem why not just take with you a mark 2 naquda reactor??
From my knowledge of the StarGate Universe... they weren't powerful enough. You needed something more powerful: a Zero-Point Energy Module (ZPE)? A device/module which pulls power from subspace.
The Atlantis Spaceship needed 3 of them to fully function, whereas the Teran (or earth) defenses only required 1 to save Earth from Anubis.
@@Greysen2025 Yes, exactly. The abbreviation you were looking for is ZPM. To add onto what you said, I tried to figure power output for reactors vs ZPMs.
Forgive me if I screwed up my math, everyone.
Based on the episodes Hot Zone/Hide and Seek, a Mark I NG can output about 20kt / 23,244.44MW/h of power in just 30 secs. (when set to overload), or about a rate of 2.8 million Mwh of power (output x 120, assuming it could produce 20kt worth of power every 30 sec. - and yes, I rounded that for simplicity's sake).
*Note: If the MING's explosive yield equals what it would achieve **_in its lifetime,_** then just divide my results again by 120.*
A Mark II could produce about 600% of this, or about 16.7 million MW/h (16.7 TW/h). A Control Chair either required two of these, or one ZPM. So, based on my attempts at calculation with the limited info available and my rusty mathematics skills, a ZPM can produce about 33,400 GW/h (33.4 TW/h). For reference, the entire world uses an average of 17,700 Gigawatts (ref: www.theworldcounts.com/stories/current_world_energy_consumption).
Mark II and later ran at barely stable rates with these numbers, and depleted rapidly. Idk if a M2 NG and a ZPM would deplete at the same rate, and this is all just guesstimation on my part. But if two M2NGs equals exactly one ZPM, it would take 6 to fully power Atlantis, vs 3 ZPMs.
The alternate timeline Mark XII NG was capable of running Atlantis' shielding for 800 years (with some extra solar paneling).
*If anyone can figure all this better than I did, please comment the correct numbers for us all. Thanks!*
Edit: I've scoured forums about this, and ZPM levels listed are all over the place, often being much higher than my estimate. Of course, a ZPM's limitations are dependent on plot, and so can be however high (or low) it needs to be, but it's still fun to try to pin down. For Samantha's use of the Chair in an alternate timeline, she only needed 80% of the US power grid in lieu of a ZPM, which is relatively low.
A mark 4 naquada generator was 6x stronger than a mark 2 good enough to power for a hyperspace for something small as a puddle jumper , if they try to reengineer and try to mass produce a few hundred puddle jumpers with drones, shields, invisibility cloaking and ba small portable nuke just in case if need to and jumpers come with 12 drones and it just takes 8 good shots to take out a hive ship and 4 drones to take a cruiser and if they a portable nuke and released to in a hive to take it out , use teams of 2 jumpers to take a fleet of wraith ships Atlantis could basically take out the wraith easier and if could get there hands on a few small gau'ld ships with cloaking with a portable nuke it can help out even better lol
@@Greysen2025 you don’t need a zpm to enter hyperspace, the jumpers didn’t use zpm’s they had their power system recharged when they docked in Atlantis, so they could go to hyperspace with the power on bored, hooking up a pair of mark 2 generators would augment it’s power output. maybe it wasn’t compatible
The GateShip was invented by the "ALTERANS"
she apear on the 1st episode of SGA before The "ALTERANS" take atlantis to Lantea
Yes, yes, gold star for you. But, since the Lanteans are essentially the continuation of Alteran civilization after the Ori schism, either term would be suitable; they're the same people, and retained ownership of the Gateships.
One thing I never got was why (in most, if not all, cases) they activated the cloak of these ships AFTER going through the Stargate, risking anyone on the other side seeing them emerge even if only momentarily.
Surely activating the cloak and THEN going through would be better?
(Keep in mind, it's been a long while since I've watched Atlantis, but I'm sure they don't do it the latter way most of the time)
I could imagine some technobabble about how the event horizon of the Stargate interferes with the cloaking field or something like that
@@fredwupkensoppel8949 even simpler, if you pay attention you could still see the ripple in the event horizon when the Jumper emerges
Gate ship one, ready to go.
This ship many be Small and Old But it packs a punk that will knock you in to next Tuesday
Where is the *bathroom* on that thing? At least the USAF B2 stealth bomber had a *toilet* in the cockpit. Firefly had *room* for one.
I wonder if you have the Ishimura from Dead Space in mind for the future....
"gateship" is catchier in the original Lantean. ;)
A great episode. Can I ask where did you get your info for this from?
it dose have shields but they can be knock out easily just ask the wrath
Loved Atlantis but was always curious why when they launched jumpers they didn't do it cloaked.
I would do a request for warframe ships but DE hasn't fleshed out that aspect of their universe
DE hasn't fleshed out anything in their "universe" and is unlikely to ever do it.
Wished they did would make one hell of a open world game going to different planets and using jumpers to fight the wraith ships , and colonize other planets and make alliances to work with, one jumper with a small tactical nuke under the jumper could take out a fleet of wraith ships go in cloaked sneak into hive ship drop nuke in its bay area , fly out and use 3 drone strikes on each of the 3 cruisers that accompany it and let the nuke go off to blow up hive ship and fly off to stargate to escape lol
Saw the miniature, saw the gate... thought about X universe game series gates...
I wonder did they ever send one back to earth for research or the odd bit of milkyway action
Not in Canon, within the series.
I could have swore in an episode they fired a big ball of energy once as a weapon
I want a Puddle Jumper and some Puddles to jump thru
Sounds like the name of rain boots
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Could you make a stargate playlist
The original show's concept drawing for the Ancient gateship looks a lot better than the design they ended up going with in the show.
Link?
Is it me or does 4.7 x 8 meters sound too large, they didn't seem that large as depicted on the show.
More nacelles than pontoons.
Also: Off-World Transport Module
"Lanteans could have won every battle against the Wraith, but saw there was no end to the war"
No, not could have. They won every battle.
No, they didn't. They lost the ZPMs from their ships.
losing a ship doesn't mean they lost a battle
The Wraith when they 1st came into conflict with the Lantians weren't spacefaring and only had an interstellar reach thanks to Stargates. If the Lantians won EVERY battle, the Wraith wouldn't have lasted long enough to capture a ZPM. The Lantians won every MAJOR battle prior to the Wraith getting ZPMs to power their fleet building and cloning but the Wraith fought back well enough to maintain a stalemate prior to that.
all it took was losing a single ZPM from any one of the many ships for the wraith to power their cloning facilities, and basically just completely zerg rush the lanteans on their single fortress from their single planet in the galaxy.
Except the human morons never activated the cloak before entering a gate. Usually drawing fire exiting the other end before engaging cloak, much of the time damaging the ship in the process. The inverse is also true, as demonstrated in the pilot episode where the team make strafing runs at the gate guarded by the Wraith. Major Shepard states the Wraith could "blow us away on our approach", meanwhile one could activate the gate while cloaked, and then simply wait for the Wraith to eventually stop shooting, and then decloak at the last second before entering.
The Atlantis Expedition also loses tens of Jumpers throughout their stay on Atlantis, demonstrating their complete disregard for alien technological artifacts that have survived millions of years, only to be destroyed and not given a moments' thought by the Expedition.
You can't replace them guys FFS, stop blowing them up.
am i going insane?
why are atlantians called Lantians? allso arent they the Aincients?
They first called themselves Alterans. After the schism from which the Ori faction formed, the mainstream Alterans began to refer to themselves as the Ancients. Then, upon leaving the Milky Was for Pegasus, they called themselves Lanteans. The people of Pegasus also refer to them as the Ancestors.
So where do the engine/weapon pods go when they’re retracted? They obviously don’t encroach into the passenger compartment and the outer hull isn’t thick enough to cover them. I know the Ancients were advanced, but I didn’t think they were TARDIS level advanced!
1:10 *cough* navigators
where can i watch star gate?
LegOlav Hulu has all the star gate shows.
do you know where to find bsg and Babylon 5?
Amazon prime has bsg. Babylon 5 is on a free site called go90.
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Pick TV in the UK is showing SG-1 (season 7 at present)
Could someone give me some creation tools to create 2D tactical maps for space fleet battles, like the ones in spacedock's videos? thank you.
Btw, Love your videos!
Do a TARDIS
As much as I love these things, I think that they should probably be retired. Not because they can't do the job, Christ knows how effective, flexible, and powerful they can be in the right hands, but I think they're just too valuable to Earth as a whole. From a technological and historical perspective these things are essentially priceless, they need to be preserved as artifacts, not risked on military excursions, not unless they're fate-of-the-galaxy important (yes, I realize that's basically every other Tuesday for SG-1 and AR-1). I'm sure that between Carter and McKay, a suitable replacement can be created using all the technology the Tau'ri have acquired over the years.
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Never liked the puddle jumpers to be honest, thought the Jaffa “needle” fighter was far more badass, although admittedly when you look at the is the puddle jumpers and wraith darts have going through Stargate, it’s a bit hard to swallow Breetack’s exclamation that the craft could only be piloted by experts and the “young”, which was why the design was abandoned.
It really undermines the ghoul’d as a serious threat when compared to the wraith where that’s standard operating procedure..
The jumpers had autopilot for going through the gate the "needle" fighter didn't.
The wraith darth are far smaller and have a much bigger allowance for error on the stargate approach path.
Of course the Goa’uld look silly against the Wraith, like comparing crusade armies to modern military forces
The Goa'uld are terrible engineers in general.
The only thing that kept their empire in good shape was the lack of motivation to conquer from the other faction.
That is why they got their asses kicked by the Tau'ri and replicators.
The Wraith needed to use the gates as a vector for their darth because their hive ships were limited in range. They also were in a dire supply situation so optimisation were needed.
Goa'ulds on the other hand had a bulky but good enough hyperspace drive and since they aimed at terrorizing planets having a giant ship piercing the skies is a pretty good mean.
And while fighting the Tau'ri and the instable political situation forced them to technologically wake up, their military strategies were fixed in stone and war is not the right time to change your doctrine.
Too bad that it wouldn't last in a battle.
Wrong dimension man, it cannot be more than 6 meters long and 3 meters tall.
Stargate Origins finaly killed the franchise. Its so stupidly bad
i have not seen it yet but i have a feeling it is bad
Frode Brattbakk Nah, it's not bad at all. Just see for yourself.
I'm enjoying it, the budget is kind of low, but what do you expect from a short web series? And if you mean the fact that it's cheesy, go re-watch sg1, I love it, but one of the things that made it great was how cheesy it was.
Well technically MGM's pride fight with the actual creators of Stargate is what killed the franchise. New management at MGM finally figured out that they wasted a major money maker by shutting everything down back then. I refuse to watch Stargate Origins because it purposely does not include any of the original writers or producers (etc.) who worked on the Stargate shows or movies. It's completely an MGM corporate copy, not real Stargate.