@@CheeseDouble-k9f7800x3d is the fastest gaming cpu, and its also way cheaper than other high end cpus. The i9 is faster in productivity tasks. The 7900xtx is just barely faster than the 4080, but it costs less. Although the 4080 has better RT DLSS and other features. AMD is just way better at raw gaming perofrmance and is cheaper. While intel is better at productivity and nvidia is better at productivity RT and dlss.
Yeah if you don't get the water-cooled version then you have to buy supports for it It also takes up 3 PCI E slots with the added support so good luck fitting anything else in there
7800x3d may be best for gaming, but the 7950x3d is only BARELY slower in SOME games and it's a monster for video and 3d rendering so I'm going with that in my build with the 7900XTX
Where did you get your cable extensions? Currently on the 7900 XTX with the three 8 pin PCIE connectors. I have to use two pigtailed 6+2 pcie cables supplied from my msi a1000g pcie 5 psu , leaving one of the pigtails unplugged so I hate the look.
@@openheimrfind any am5 motherboard that has the features you want but don't overspend if there is one that has the same features you want but is cheaper
For a high end build like this I would recommend 1000 watts with an 80+ efficiency rating of gold. Also the PSU is in the back chamber cause the case is dual chamber
What are you trying to say? If you are planning to buy that combo, don’t. Get a Ryzen 5 5600X and a 6700 XT instead. If you already have this combo, then you will be fine, but the aforementioned combo is better value
@@MadridistaFrieren you don't properly understand what the "x series" from amd is and the "f series" from Intel only means it doesn't have an igpu buddy.
Why spend more money than necessary? Some motherboards are almost as expensive as CPUs these days and that doesn't make sense. Do not over spend money on components, just buy what You need and You'll be fine.
U gays have to agree Those Best cpus - R5 - 7600x Intel - i512400f . Gpu - rx 6700xt.or 6600xt Nvidia -gtx 1660ti or gtx 1060 .. Those are the goats 🐐😊
Most games cant utilize the extra cores/vram cache that the threadripper has. Overall for a 5000$ cpu you arent getting even 5x the performance for 15x the cost. Most games are optimized to only use like 8cores, threadriper is overkill on overkill, legitimately only useful for 3dmodelling, video editing and like simulation/stable diffusion.@@sergonson2074
Ryzen 7 5700x Aorus B450 Pro Corsair 16gb DDR4 Ram Kingston 500gb nvme ssd Deepcool Air Cooler Nvidia RTX 3070 8gb graphics Thermaltake RGB cabinet with 6 Fans Cooler Master 750w 80+ Bronze SMPS This is my pc spec which part should i upgrade
Upgrade your motherboard get a better ssd the mp33 2tb are like 65 dollars and if you were to upgrade to 32gb I suggest the silicon power 3200 ram since Corsair ddr4 was problems with xmp
people still prefer the 4080 or the 4080 super when in reality the rx 7900xtx is faster and cheaper than both basically meaning it has a much better price to preformannce
and here I am with my ryzen 5600 (non x) and my Rx 6600xt, it is not the best pc out there, but for the price I am satisfied, I am thinking of upgrading to a 5700x3d, any opinions?
So I have the Radeon rx 7900xt and ryzen 9 7900x3d…does anyone know why my pc can’t run any game including ones from 2008 like wizard 101?? I know I didn’t build it wrong cuz I didn’t build it I payed micro center (professionals) to build it. And before you ask about the drivers like amd adrenaline is Jesus and performs miracles….it doesn’t. I’ve done everything regarding the drivers and it didn’t do ANYTHING. My last suggestion I’m thinking is the bios needs to be setup and updated and then maybe my pc will run as expected so I tried that and it kept rebooting back into bios so I “saved and exited”, and I setup an appointment at micro center for them to setup and update bios and/or fix or at least diagnose the issue if bios doesn’t fix it (which I’m PRAYING it does cuz I already spent over $4000 on this piece of junk) I should’ve stuck with my ps5🤦🏾♂️ as of right now it’s outperforming my pc SO MUCH the pc isn’t even a competition atp…yet it’s supposed to be able run games like starfield at like 100fps, and the latest cod at like 250fps
Oh and I can’t edit videos which is REALLY PISSING ME OFF cuz that was the whole point of getting a pc…so my content will improve in terms of my quality/equipment. Yet my pc runs like I’m tryna play the latest games on a ps2😑. Edit: and again, one of the games I’m tryna run on this pc is a game from 08….a pc with a Radeon rx7900xt and ryzen 9 7900x3d can’t run games from 08??? In what world??? Cuz when I watch RUclips videos on this build people running 2024 games at 200fps MINIMUM with exceptions like starfield and cyberpunk (which I never even played and don’t care to anyway)
Yeah honestly I hope microcenter helps you diagnose the problem because these kind of problems can be anything my friend had something similar after doing everything we could find and swapping some parts we found out it was the motherboard just doing something weird.
@@jawohlbxb3534 aight so everyone gon call me an idiot after reading this😅 I fixed the problem cuz after I picked it up they said it ran fine and everything and I brought it home and still had issues…I fixed it by unplugging the display port from the motherboard port and plugging it into the gpu😅🤦🏾♂️. I know, I know call me a clown🤣 this is my first pc tho EVER I forgot the gpu had ports and the first display port I saw was the one in the motherboard where everything else is plugged into😅
@@jawohlbxb3534 my only issue now is that it chooses when obs will and won’t crash my mw3 but it works perfectly fine for everything else and my games run fine and don’t crash aside from Ubisoft’s XDEFIANT which doesn’t bother me none cuz I only downloaded it as a test I don’t even like the game. All my cods run fine, league of legends, wizard 101, gta, and even the most recent assassin’s creed games (I only tested origins honestly but I’d assume the others will perform fine, and even if they didn’t that wouldn’t bother me either cuz I don’t like those specific AC games aside from mirage, origins was just a test run) Edit: and I don’t NEED obs to stop crashing mw3 (tho it would be nice) cuz I have it on my ps5 and can just buy a capture card if I need to. Which I tried and it just didn’t come in🤷🏾♂️🤣. And I’m not 100% sure obs itself is crashing mw3 it could just be a network thing
@@BillyRazOr2011 "7800X3D is the fastest gaming CPU" Not faster, implying there's something better but fastest period implying there's nothing better for now
@@izanagisburden9465it not solved if is still happening to people. As long as people still have the old version of the gpu without the revision connection it will continue to happen. No one going to buy another 4090 to replace a 4090 cause of a power connector change.
Except for the fact that you shouldn’t use 4 DIMMs with DDR5 and just going dualchannel will give you more performance as XMP will run stable at the recommended speeds as long as it doesn’t exceed 6000MHz
I also prefer AMD. Sadly they got a security breach called 'Zen bleed' on CPU's based on Zen 2 Architeture. Would be a good service to remind the people to fix the issue as soon as AMD provides a solution.
@@xSwxve only Zen 2 based CPU's got this issue as far as i know. But you can be a 100% sure that they had also sold some of them from time to time because the list of Zen 2 CPU's ist long. They also may reach more non Tech addicted gamers and may help more people to close this security breach which enables others to log all current datastream in the CPU. This may be not that problematic if you just throw a look on your latest dick pick. But can get pretty serious when handling bank information or crypto. Or customer related data which is obligated to be safe.
@@Alzheimer_boyzen bleed is only a concern for cloud providers and server hosts where you got multiple users sharing a single machine. For your everyday use if a bad actor is already exploiting zen bleed he already has access to your PC. There is no point in worrying about these exploits when every CPU made has backdoors by design.
@@xfy123 not quite. Cloud providers are the easiest to target. But there are a lot of ways to enter a private or institutional system and abuse Zen bleed. You just need to have propper knowlage and one well timed usb stick or link can provide you with tons of medical and private information in a long therm. And there are even worse systems availeable then just hospitales. Wich may come up for damages up to billions if not cared about. A true hackers wish who enters a system is to get access to as much devices possible and collect as much data / knowlage about the system. The lowest % of hacks are to break down a system because the hack would be found sooner than later. So Zen bleed is kind of a big deal because it delievers tons of valuable data to the hacker with "low" effort.
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Finally, an all amd build! I'm sick of seeing a i9 13900k and rtx 4090.
AMD dick sucker detected
True, but it’s still the stronger combo though
@@phanarithsam2159 The 7800X3D is a better gaming CPU and the 7900XTX is MUCH better value.
@@MCAdeepakwhat no?
The best intel processor is better than the best amd cpu, and the 4090 and 4080 are both better than the 7900xtx
@@CheeseDouble-k9f7800x3d is the fastest gaming cpu, and its also way cheaper than other high end cpus.
The i9 is faster in productivity tasks.
The 7900xtx is just barely faster than the 4080, but it costs less.
Although the 4080 has better RT DLSS and other features.
AMD is just way better at raw gaming perofrmance and is cheaper. While intel is better at productivity and nvidia is better at productivity RT and dlss.
That Sag 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Fr
theres no sag, its just wider at the end, they even have gpu support installed.
Yeah if you don't get the water-cooled version then you have to buy supports for it
It also takes up 3 PCI E slots with the added support so good luck fitting anything else in there
I love my 7950x3d with it undervolted it sips power.
Need full built video please! 🙏
Shoulda went with msi's xtx to match the motherboard.
i love AMD :3
Ok amd fanboy 🤡
It’s just the best I remember when NVIDIA fans said to bring a fire extinguisher with amd, look who’s laughing now
amd got me like ^_^
@@ClaraBurneryou cant accept the fact that amd has better price to performance huh 🤡
@@ClaraBurnerI bet you own an iphone
Love my 7800x3D looking to upgrade from 7600xt to the 7900xtx here soon
Shouldve gotten a white asrock rx 7900xtx taichi or aqua for that build
Full build pls
I allways had AMD gpu s .. i
And i stay with my brand ..😊
Should use the Taichi White 7900XTX it'll be SOOOOO MUCH BETTER
Wow another all AMD pc. Beautiful pc!!
you should do one where you build every component from scratch and build the pc
B650? I figured he’d go with an X670. What’re the huge differences between the B650 and X670 mobos? If there are any, that is.
Sl120 fans would look more aesthetic in this build .
Overall good build
My dream!!
Unbelievable 🎉
7800x3d may be best for gaming, but the 7950x3d is only BARELY slower in SOME games and it's a monster for video and 3d rendering so I'm going with that in my build with the 7900XTX
Nice PC Build ❤❤❤
What kind of performance is this build getting?
Not too shabby.
I love my rx 7800xt perfect gpu for me
Brooo he messed up with the black GPU
There's a white 7900 xtx ?
@@MadridistaFrierenyeah I’m gonna buy one
@@MadridistaFrierenyeah bro the asrock taichi OC white edition, I’ve got the black one it’s Sooo good❤😅😊
@@MadridistaFrierenthere is Asrock Radeon Rx 7900 xtx, It's beautiful
Finally! So sick of the i9 crap.
Where did you get your cable extensions? Currently on the 7900 XTX with the three 8 pin PCIE connectors. I have to use two pigtailed 6+2 pcie cables supplied from my msi a1000g pcie 5 psu , leaving one of the pigtails unplugged so I hate the look.
Imo that black gpu stands out too much in that white build
NAH H510 Flow is one of the most known cases has some of the best airflow and a Nice look
What's the mobo model?
How good is this mobo? B760
Should've gone with Asrock model to match esthetics 😭
is that lexar ssd good?
Bro you pc build for me budget 25k 😅
Big fan❤️
🔥🔥Fire🔥🔥
This is sooooo much better in value then i9 13th+rtx 4090.....
Do you perfer intel i9 13900k ? For this bulid for gaming and work😊
The 7800x3d is the best for gaming
whats the cooler and the motherboard also the psu 😭😭
Huh? The ls720 is one of the best value AIOs on the market.
@@the_reesesno i was asking for their names 👍 i want a 7800x3d and 7900 xtx build also
so thanks for telling me its Is720 👨🎓😎👍🦭
@@openheimrfind any am5 motherboard that has the features you want but don't overspend if there is one that has the same features you want but is cheaper
AMD SAM 😎
Finally !!
Hope much was the build
have the sapphire 7900xt 20gb with ryzen 7 7800x3d great pc
What mobo, cooling, ram and storage did you go with? I’m about to buy the 7900 xtx Nitro and 7800x3d
20gb? At least get 32 gigs
"Top of the line" with B650 model gpu xD.
What?
I’m curious about the ram in this case.
I thought he would have gone 4 channel.
Is the mb Asus tuf Gaming x670e the right one for this?
If it's am5 it will work
Lol I just did my first pc build with the same components including the mobo. Though I went for the Taichi XTX from Asrock.
Now let's run ray tracing max at 4k.
Nice
What happened to the whole thread ripper hype?..
Thought that was the new thing to replace the small cpu.
Not for gaming
@@qinglianqi9099
Then why make it!? It's like the hoverboard that doesn't actually hover...
For workstation
how old are you? pc exist for more than your genshin impact sessions@@Sorrus-B4lyfe
@@anon1963
= 43 years Sober.
Where does the psu go on that case?
In the back chamber... It's a dual chamber case
dis must be old old cuz is ryzen 9 not better dan ryzen 7?
Where is the PSU? I want to know the recommended watts
For a high end build like this I would recommend 1000 watts with an 80+ efficiency rating of gold. Also the PSU is in the back chamber cause the case is dual chamber
Gigantic tank of water on the side of the case for heat absorption
No that's a second chamber for the PSU and other stuff
Is the intel i5 12400f with a rtx 3060 12gb and 32 gb ram?
What are you trying to say? If you are planning to buy that combo, don’t. Get a Ryzen 5 5600X and a 6700 XT instead. If you already have this combo, then you will be fine, but the aforementioned combo is better value
@@maxmurphy6932Intel 12 gen bodies the Ryzen 5000 series and it's not even close. The only thing your comment's is right is the gpu part.
@@MadridistaFriereni don't think you understand that the 12400f and the 5600x have on par performance with eachother
@@the_reesesyour comparing a F series vs a X series mate. CRAZY how it's better and ofc absolutely bodies 5600x at editing & productivity.
@@MadridistaFrieren you don't properly understand what the "x series" from amd is and the "f series" from Intel only means it doesn't have an igpu buddy.
Cost???
How do people get all these components?! It must cost them thousands of dollars im confused. Do they buy all this stuff with their own money???
Customers pay them the cost of the components + labor cost so they can afford the pieces and profit
@@projugofastall ah I see
I mean you could space out the purchases throughout the year to lighten the financial load.
Why 7800X3D has only 8 core?
Beacuse it is a gaming pc, not at workstation ;)
It's for gaming and it's better at gaming then the 7900x3d and the 7950x3d
Wait that's my exact system... (gpu cpu and mobo)
FINALLY
Ayor-us? isn't it orus?
Just built this cpu gpa combo in an h9 flow
Fully orange price destroyer
I’m doing a very similar build same cpu gpu
8x3 pins? Wow I don’t even have 8x2 lol
Try to build the lowest spec pc
Bruh, B650 chip for 7800x3d?
It is definitely enough, but I agree. Seems a bit budget for the ''Ultimate gaming pc''
Why spend more money than necessary? Some motherboards are almost as expensive as CPUs these days and that doesn't make sense.
Do not over spend money on components, just buy what You need and You'll be fine.
U gays have to agree
Those
Best cpus -
R5 - 7600x
Intel - i512400f .
Gpu - rx 6700xt.or 6600xt
Nvidia -gtx 1660ti or gtx 1060 ..
Those are the goats 🐐😊
I gay have to agree indeed
I mean like. Honestly you're not wrong, these are goated comps, my old pc had a 1060 and my current pc has a 7600x just too good value
wouldnt the threadripper be the fastest?
Not for gaming
@@qinglianqi9099 just overkill? or simply not suitable
Most games cant utilize the extra cores/vram cache that the threadripper has. Overall for a 5000$ cpu you arent getting even 5x the performance for 15x the cost. Most games are optimized to only use like 8cores, threadriper is overkill on overkill, legitimately only useful for 3dmodelling, video editing and like simulation/stable diffusion.@@sergonson2074
i looove amd
Ryzen 7 5700x
Aorus B450 Pro
Corsair 16gb DDR4 Ram
Kingston 500gb nvme ssd
Deepcool Air Cooler
Nvidia RTX 3070 8gb graphics
Thermaltake RGB cabinet with 6 Fans
Cooler Master 750w 80+ Bronze SMPS
This is my pc spec which part should i upgrade
Storage
Only 500gb? Damn you must not be using this for gaming then
buy B550
Buy a new Mobo & upgrade your ram to 32
Upgrade your motherboard get a better ssd the mp33 2tb are like 65 dollars and if you were to upgrade to 32gb I suggest the silicon power 3200 ram since Corsair ddr4 was problems with xmp
I have a 7900gre with the 7800x3d
“Top of the line” *chooses B650 over X670* 😂
Aechh
Broooo what about the ryzen 7950x3D
Slower for gaming
no way
7800x3d still the fastest
people still prefer the 4080 or the 4080 super when in reality the rx 7900xtx is faster and cheaper than both basically meaning it has a much better price to preformannce
I made a custom build pc with the same exact processor and gpu and im getting 180fps in payday 3 on max settings
What res?
and here I am with my ryzen 5600 (non x) and my Rx 6600xt, it is not the best pc out there, but for the price I am satisfied, I am thinking of upgrading to a 5700x3d, any opinions?
would have been perfect but rip black gpu T_T
It's only the best now because they changed the socket to LGA which is way better 😆
So I have the Radeon rx 7900xt and ryzen 9 7900x3d…does anyone know why my pc can’t run any game including ones from 2008 like wizard 101?? I know I didn’t build it wrong cuz I didn’t build it I payed micro center (professionals) to build it. And before you ask about the drivers like amd adrenaline is Jesus and performs miracles….it doesn’t. I’ve done everything regarding the drivers and it didn’t do ANYTHING. My last suggestion I’m thinking is the bios needs to be setup and updated and then maybe my pc will run as expected so I tried that and it kept rebooting back into bios so I “saved and exited”, and I setup an appointment at micro center for them to setup and update bios and/or fix or at least diagnose the issue if bios doesn’t fix it (which I’m PRAYING it does cuz I already spent over $4000 on this piece of junk)
I should’ve stuck with my ps5🤦🏾♂️ as of right now it’s outperforming my pc SO MUCH the pc isn’t even a competition atp…yet it’s supposed to be able run games like starfield at like 100fps, and the latest cod at like 250fps
Oh and I can’t edit videos which is REALLY PISSING ME OFF cuz that was the whole point of getting a pc…so my content will improve in terms of my quality/equipment. Yet my pc runs like I’m tryna play the latest games on a ps2😑.
Edit: and again, one of the games I’m tryna run on this pc is a game from 08….a pc with a Radeon rx7900xt and ryzen 9 7900x3d can’t run games from 08??? In what world??? Cuz when I watch RUclips videos on this build people running 2024 games at 200fps MINIMUM with exceptions like starfield and cyberpunk (which I never even played and don’t care to anyway)
Yeah honestly I hope microcenter helps you diagnose the problem because these kind of problems can be anything my friend had something similar after doing everything we could find and swapping some parts we found out it was the motherboard just doing something weird.
@@jawohlbxb3534 aight so everyone gon call me an idiot after reading this😅 I fixed the problem cuz after I picked it up they said it ran fine and everything and I brought it home and still had issues…I fixed it by unplugging the display port from the motherboard port and plugging it into the gpu😅🤦🏾♂️. I know, I know call me a clown🤣 this is my first pc tho EVER I forgot the gpu had ports and the first display port I saw was the one in the motherboard where everything else is plugged into😅
@@jawohlbxb3534 my only issue now is that it chooses when obs will and won’t crash my mw3 but it works perfectly fine for everything else and my games run fine and don’t crash aside from Ubisoft’s XDEFIANT which doesn’t bother me none cuz I only downloaded it as a test I don’t even like the game. All my cods run fine, league of legends, wizard 101, gta, and even the most recent assassin’s creed games (I only tested origins honestly but I’d assume the others will perform fine, and even if they didn’t that wouldn’t bother me either cuz I don’t like those specific AC games aside from mirage, origins was just a test run)
Edit: and I don’t NEED obs to stop crashing mw3 (tho it would be nice) cuz I have it on my ps5 and can just buy a capture card if I need to. Which I tried and it just didn’t come in🤷🏾♂️🤣. And I’m not 100% sure obs itself is crashing mw3 it could just be a network thing
Daam my same build lmao
Components from top of the line and you put a Corsair RAM? WTF ?
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ ram is ram idk what the issue is
Hey would you mind sending me the cpu and the gpu if u can so far all i need is a cpu,motherboard and the gpu
Bro your not getting free stuff from a random person on the internet
More full AMD builds I see the happier I get screw Nvidia
There are white amd 7900
xtx out there bruh
@@Toaster08they don’t there just spray painted
Bro can you sell me used graphic card rtx 3060 or rtx 1690 in cheapest price $160 any one
Go for an rx6650xt.
ryzen 9 7900x3d crying in corner
the ryzen 7 7800x3d performs better in gaming
do ryzen 9 it would be faster
Not for gaming
with a b650 😭
nothing wrong with it
@@fishingninja i know but you already spent so much on everything else
i5 13600 is better if we have to compare it to this right?
No absolutely not
Nope, it could be bottleneck on CPU. Unless using i7-13700K or i9-13900K would be perfect balance.
@@BillyRazOr2011 "7800X3D is the fastest gaming CPU"
Not faster, implying there's something better but fastest period implying there's nothing better for now
Hey I know this is out fo context but is a 240mm aio enough to cool i7 13700?
Good thing you didn't use a Asus motherboard, that cpu would die.
That problem its patched by asus
Why do people keep repeating this and the 4090 power cable burning thing.... both of those qere solved within a month of their release
@@izanagisburden9465it not solved if is still happening to people. As long as people still have the old version of the gpu without the revision connection it will continue to happen. No one going to buy another 4090 to replace a 4090 cause of a power connector change.
@@noicebravo4434 Not really
@@izanagisburden9465except it's still an issue. It SHOULD have never been an issue.
Since you name it the "ultimate", then you should fill up those ram slots instead of just using 2 🤪
When you use more than 2 ram slots, you lose ram frequency (Mhz) search it up.
Except for the fact that you shouldn’t use 4 DIMMs with DDR5 and just going dualchannel will give you more performance as XMP will run stable at the recommended speeds as long as it doesn’t exceed 6000MHz
the sag :(
Not white gpu
I9 saying bbro
It only bears amd in raw power.
Do a pc give away to india...im ur fan✨ and a pc nerd too
I just feel that amd 's GPUs aren't good for editing so that's a big prob but they are good for gaming 🎉
This is true since Nvidia has a better editing suite but I'm guessing that the build will be used for mainly gaming.
Yeah why do you think nvidia charges premiums? Bc they can for the sake of EdItIng
@@_Turtle_420 ik that very well
@@the_reeses yup correct!
“Yes… im lagging”
Radium trying not to buy the most expensive components challenge (impossible):
that's what their customer ordered I don't see your point?
7800x3d+b650 💀
The b650 is fine idk what the issue is.
x670 is better especially for these ultra gaming builds big respect for radium for cheaping out on the mobo
I also prefer AMD. Sadly they got a security breach called 'Zen bleed' on CPU's based on Zen 2 Architeture.
Would be a good service to remind the people to fix the issue as soon as AMD provides a solution.
Does it affect this CPU? It’s based on Zen 4.
@@xSwxve only Zen 2 based CPU's got this issue as far as i know.
But you can be a 100% sure that they had also sold some of them from time to time because the list of Zen 2 CPU's ist long.
They also may reach more non Tech addicted gamers and may help more people to close this security breach which enables others to log all current datastream in the CPU.
This may be not that problematic if you just throw a look on your latest dick pick. But can get pretty serious when handling bank information or crypto. Or customer related data which is obligated to be safe.
@@Alzheimer_boyzen bleed is only a concern for cloud providers and server hosts where you got multiple users sharing a single machine. For your everyday use if a bad actor is already exploiting zen bleed he already has access to your PC. There is no point in worrying about these exploits when every CPU made has backdoors by design.
@@xfy123 not quite. Cloud providers are the easiest to target. But there are a lot of ways to enter a private or institutional system and abuse Zen bleed.
You just need to have propper knowlage and one well timed usb stick or link can provide you with tons of medical and private information in a long therm.
And there are even worse systems availeable then just hospitales.
Wich may come up for damages up to billions if not cared about.
A true hackers wish who enters a system is to get access to as much devices possible and collect as much data / knowlage about the system. The lowest % of hacks are to break down a system because the hack would be found sooner than later.
So Zen bleed is kind of a big deal because it delievers tons of valuable data to the hacker with "low" effort.