Good tips here! Personally, I'm battling with this exact problem. Hopefully I can "see" different results tomorrow night at leauge ! Thank you once again!
Great video.. I've been doing this. Another good one is for swing, put a rag or hand towel inside your arm and body as you are in your approach it helps keeping your arm close to body. Thank you for sharing, you're awesome
This sounds like a great idea but what happens to the towel upon release? Does it just fall harmlessly onto the approach? Asking because id like to try it as i tend to chicken wing it a lot
Thanks for this video. This video supports my self-discovered tip. When I was walking with my bowling ball trolley going to the bowling alley, I was pulling it while putting my two fingers (pointy and middle) behind the handle as to simulate and train my hand position to be always behind the bowling ball. Then I accidentally felt that if I position my pinky finger together with my ring finger, there is the tendency of the more to the side release. But when I separate my pinky finger from the ring finger plus put the index finger together with my middle finger, it trims my hand position to release more behind the ball for a faster hook response. Finally solved my chicken wing release. Or at least drastically lessened my chicken wing release. No more too much side spinning and slow hook.
Interesting, of all the videos I've watched I never realized the weight was supposed to be held by the index finger, not the 2 middle fingers. That explains some consistency issues I've been having and why my track is so high.
It is very personal, everyone has a different hand position movement during swing. Since this movement is not stable, everyone has different weight support fingers.
If you are tracking over the thumb, one possible reason is throwing hard and lofting the ball. Over slow turn will cause negative axis tilt, thus tracking on thumb. Try to practice a quiet release by letting the ball go earlier. This pushes tilt higher and drops the ball in silent.
99% of the time it's a pitch and fit issue. Close the span, add some side pitch to the thumb and some negative pitch on the ring finger to take it out a bit. When you lift the ball hard, the burn feeling should be equal across both fingers, whereas most high-trackers have a lot more pressure on their ring finger. Take the ring away and the track will drop. Get your pap rechecked after the adjustment, because it will change quite a bit
After watching this video and keeping my pinky in and my index finger out (as opposed to both spread), my release felt more consistent, and i was getting more hook out of the ball tonight for league. New PB too!
Wow, im beginnerish bowler here thats been bowling for about 7 months now. Been working on my yoyo release and i noticed that the index and pinky position do change up the release a bit. I started keeping my index pointed further out and tucking my pinky in but didn't really understand what it did as I was so focused on releasing the ball right 😅 . maybe opening my pinky is better for my game as I usually try to play straighter
If I put my pink out like that I roll over the thumb hole 😢 everyone is different but this doesn't seem to work well for me. I run into even more issues if I up my speed the ball will not read the pattern at all.
Im a high tilt player & have been unsuccessfully trying to be a lower tilt player for years so definitely going to try this. I have 2 balls drilled the same & same pin but 1 i can get a very reasonable lower axis rotation, the other no matter what i try has a ridiculous amount of axis rotation & is therefore uncontrolable at the break point. Axis tilt is about the same on both balls. Core??
@janproshopchannel cause before it was tracking fine but when I just bowled today the first few games was OK but suddenly by the end it was already tracking on the finger or between the holes by the bridge. I threw the exact same shot and everything. So could it be just that I changed my finger position without knowing?
i've switched to two handed and i've been trying to increase my tilt to get more length. i've been splaying my fingers wide apart to give myself more stability but this video has given me an idea to try out. i was previously trying to bend my wrist inwards more but that was heading towards a tendon injury
@@Jesusfanatic0711 sometimes, i've mostly gotten rid of that as it's probably too far inside and more of a failed backup ball. i tried a few combinations of the fingers during practise during league and tilt was barely impacted while the ball twisting out of my hand became more likely. I need that stability without the third point of contact. so far the only thing that seems to add tilt is pulling my pinky towards my forearm but 2 days later my wrist feels like it's been run over by a forklift
Bean bag is a terrific idea teach you roll ball down onto the lane not up onto the lane! Releasing the ball into a chair or couch teaches the opposite i found out. At the start of this video seems your confusing axis tilt and axis rotation saying want higher tilt your referring to axis rotation not axis tilt. you want to change your axis rotation which is the amount of side rotation the ball has to make it hook less or harder your axis tilt should be minimal only want high tilt for dry lanes or really chewed up lane's!
Thanks for your comment! Beanbag is a good tool to freeze the hand position before release point, even I throw it harder and harder. If you find something in bowling alley that stops your shot effectively and allows this finger-check, feel free to use it!
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Very nice easy to see and do explanation. Keep them coming
This video shows so much thank you for this great demonstration
You have the BEST training ideas, thank you so much for always helping us ❤
Good tips here! Personally, I'm battling with this exact problem. Hopefully I can "see" different results tomorrow night at leauge ! Thank you once again!
Nice video! I would also like to suggest to show side by side comparison so beginners oike me can see the differences easier
Great video.. I've been doing this. Another good one is for swing, put a rag or hand towel inside your arm and body as you are in your approach it helps keeping your arm close to body. Thank you for sharing, you're awesome
This sounds like a great idea but what happens to the towel upon release? Does it just fall harmlessly onto the approach? Asking because id like to try it as i tend to chicken wing it a lot
Thanks for this video. This video supports my self-discovered tip. When I was walking with my bowling ball trolley going to the bowling alley, I was pulling it while putting my two fingers (pointy and middle) behind the handle as to simulate and train my hand position to be always behind the bowling ball. Then I accidentally felt that if I position my pinky finger together with my ring finger, there is the tendency of the more to the side release. But when I separate my pinky finger from the ring finger plus put the index finger together with my middle finger, it trims my hand position to release more behind the ball for a faster hook response. Finally solved my chicken wing release. Or at least drastically lessened my chicken wing release. No more too much side spinning and slow hook.
Thanks for watching. Yes it works globally.
Nice breakdown with the beanbag. Thank You!!. 😊😊.
Very interesting and informative
Thank you!
Great video. You should have more followers. I've been bowling for god knows how long and I'm still learning.
I am hungry for subscribers. God knows how difficult and I’m still trying.
@@janproshopchannel Your channel is very informative. I don't doubt that you will get more subs.
Wow very interesting thank you for pointing that out . Great video I will keep watching it to improve my game
My pleasure!
Thank you! Fantastic explanation. I've been wondering about this for sometime now. Perfectly explain.
There are too much for me to keep learning but at least we can begin with some basics 101 here in RUclips.
Interesting, of all the videos I've watched I never realized the weight was supposed to be held by the index finger, not the 2 middle fingers. That explains some consistency issues I've been having and why my track is so high.
It is very personal, everyone has a different hand position movement during swing. Since this movement is not stable, everyone has different weight support fingers.
Thank you , i will try it 😊.
Also share it 😊
Thanks for sharing. I wonder if this will help me stop tracking over the thumb with the yoyo release
If you are tracking over the thumb, one possible reason is throwing hard and lofting the ball. Over slow turn will cause negative axis tilt, thus tracking on thumb.
Try to practice a quiet release by letting the ball go earlier. This pushes tilt higher and drops the ball in silent.
99% of the time it's a pitch and fit issue. Close the span, add some side pitch to the thumb and some negative pitch on the ring finger to take it out a bit. When you lift the ball hard, the burn feeling should be equal across both fingers, whereas most high-trackers have a lot more pressure on their ring finger. Take the ring away and the track will drop. Get your pap rechecked after the adjustment, because it will change quite a bit
Perfectly illustrated, thank you very much.
Share it!
@@janproshopchannel certainly and thanks again for helping me improve my game.
After watching this video and keeping my pinky in and my index finger out (as opposed to both spread), my release felt more consistent, and i was getting more hook out of the ball tonight for league. New PB too!
Good video
Wow, im beginnerish bowler here thats been bowling for about 7 months now. Been working on my yoyo release and i noticed that the index and pinky position do change up the release a bit. I started keeping my index pointed further out and tucking my pinky in but didn't really understand what it did as I was so focused on releasing the ball right 😅 . maybe opening my pinky is better for my game as I usually try to play straighter
Now I know why I went from low tilt player to high tilt. Thanks a lot.
Many reasons. Can only tell with your release video.
If I put my pink out like that I roll over the thumb hole 😢 everyone is different but this doesn't seem to work well for me. I run into even more issues if I up my speed the ball will not read the pattern at all.
Yeah many factors are influencing your PAP, I could put general basics on RUclips tho.
@@janproshopchannel its okay my issue are health related these days im sure its these things that are causing my overall alignment problems.
Im a high tilt player & have been unsuccessfully trying to be a lower tilt player for years so definitely going to try this. I have 2 balls drilled the same & same pin but 1 i can get a very reasonable lower axis rotation, the other no matter what i try has a ridiculous amount of axis rotation & is therefore uncontrolable at the break point. Axis tilt is about the same on both balls. Core??
Thank u again
How does that change ball motion from high to low rotation?
What affect does tucking the pinky have?
So low tilt but higher axis is that second one at the end of the video?
Does this also effect where your ball tracks?
Yes it affects PAP
@janproshopchannel cause before it was tracking fine but when I just bowled today the first few games was OK but suddenly by the end it was already tracking on the finger or between the holes by the bridge. I threw the exact same shot and everything. So could it be just that I changed my finger position without knowing?
Where are you located at
Japan
i've switched to two handed and i've been trying to increase my tilt to get more length. i've been splaying my fingers wide apart to give myself more stability but this video has given me an idea to try out. i was previously trying to bend my wrist inwards more but that was heading towards a tendon injury
Do you have negative tilt by chance? Many two handers do
@@Jesusfanatic0711 sometimes, i've mostly gotten rid of that as it's probably too far inside and more of a failed backup ball.
i tried a few combinations of the fingers during practise during league and tilt was barely impacted while the ball twisting out of my hand became more likely. I need that stability without the third point of contact.
so far the only thing that seems to add tilt is pulling my pinky towards my forearm but 2 days later my wrist feels like it's been run over by a forklift
Different for 2hander?
Bean bag is a terrific idea teach you roll ball down onto the lane not up onto the lane! Releasing the ball into a chair or couch teaches the opposite i found out. At the start of this video seems your confusing axis tilt and axis rotation saying want higher tilt your referring to axis rotation not axis tilt. you want to change your axis rotation which is the amount of side rotation the ball has to make it hook less or harder your axis tilt should be minimal only want high tilt for dry lanes or really chewed up lane's!
None of that works if you tuck your pinky finger under.
Simple chart would be good rather than rewinding the video multiple times. Index out =: pinky out =: pinky in =: etc..
This is a terrible video. I watched it several times and didn’t learn one thing. The beanbag was a total waste of time and showed me nothing.
this is terrible feedback, i've read it several times and it doesn't explain anything.
maybe try explaining what you hoped to learn and couldn't grasp
Thanks for your comment!
Beanbag is a good tool to freeze the hand position before release point, even I throw it harder and harder. If you find something in bowling alley that stops your shot effectively and allows this finger-check, feel free to use it!