LEOPARD 2A4 vs T-72B (1985) | 120mm DM33 APFSDS Armour Piercing Simulation

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  • Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
  • The Leopard 2A4 and T-72B are both mass produced MBTs, with the leopard 2 featuring the widespread Rh-120mm smoothbore cannon. The simiulation presents a ~1987 engagement scenario, with the impact of a DM33 APFSDS on the upper plate, from a range of ~1.5km, at a point where there is a gap in the ERA (such as around the towing eyes). It should be noted that impacting the ERA would have little effect on the result as it is Kontakt-1 which was designed to counter shaped charges, not APFSDS.
    This simulation does not represent a modern engagement between a Leopard 2 and a T-72, as both have improved greatly in firepower and protection, since the 80's
    The performance of DM33 was purely derived from a Lanz-Odermatt calculation based off the diagram linked below. At 1500m the 1537.5m/s velocity was determined from a 75m/s drop over 1000m value given online (1650m/s muzzle velocity). At this velocity, the resultant LoS perforation against a 270BHN plate at 68° is 531mm (199mm thick plate). The plate is almost at the limit of penetration, aligning quite well with live-fire testing of 3BM32 Vant on Tankograd (195mm perforation limit failed to breach the plate). This gives the mass effectiveness of the armour at around 1.18, which is also close to the cited estimated value.
    DM33 Diagram: sun9-32.userap...
    T-72B armour arrangement & performance: Tankograd T-72 Part 2
    Amazing Thumbnail artwork from: Air-fox www.cgtrader.c...

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  • @SYsimulations
    @SYsimulations  2 года назад +737

    Just to clarify, this isnt representative of a modern Leopard 2 & T-72 engagement, but a ~1987 one
    Also, a correction, the 2A4 entered service in 1985, 1979 was the first Leopard 2 variant

    • @Neonblue84
      @Neonblue84 2 года назад +32

      It would be interesting T-72B3M or T-90M vs. Leopard 1A5 (i think the russian apdfsd will be easily repelled by the good german steal armour, even on the side or from the back and unter 100m distance)😆
      Ok i am joking
      Ok back to reality:
      T-72B3M vs. Leo 1A5 frontal (thickest plates/ best angle) 2500m
      I think even at 2500m will the russian apdfsd penetrate the leo like a hot knife through butter.

    • @Sh-epard
      @Sh-epard 2 года назад +43

      @@Neonblue84 increase that to past 5+km. Leopard 1 armor is really little in terms of protection even against older shell types (APDS and steel APFSDS), it was not thinked to stops anything bigger than an autocannon fire from the front.

    • @carkawalakhatulistiwa
      @carkawalakhatulistiwa 2 года назад +4

      Leopard 2a4 vs bm42

    • @Phapchamp
      @Phapchamp 2 года назад +2

      Literally same thing when you consider same tanks firing same ammunitions will be facing each other soon

    • @AdalbertSchneider_
      @AdalbertSchneider_ 2 года назад +3

      DM53 next ? ( cause thats what we can expect to be used Soon™ ) 👍

  • @MagicFoe88
    @MagicFoe88 2 года назад +1417

    I'd say this would be an unforgettable experience for the driver.

    • @ekommm37
      @ekommm37 2 года назад +312

      a significant emotional event, one could say

    • @gansior4744
      @gansior4744 2 года назад +83

      Quite suboptimal

    • @joshuagreen5613
      @joshuagreen5613 2 года назад +63

      Less than ideal

    • @MrTeddy12397
      @MrTeddy12397 2 года назад +50

      he'd just be amber

    • @MRcrysis12351
      @MRcrysis12351 2 года назад +19

      really where exactly on the front plate it hits but i doubt it incapacitates the driver

  • @dakotahondalock5621
    @dakotahondalock5621 2 года назад +790

    I honestly didn’t expect it not to have a full penetration, was quite close though

    • @greystash1750
      @greystash1750 2 года назад +135

      Look at the range. I’ve noticed a lot of the tests on this channel are at the cusp of where they would be expected to penetrate. The M829A2 and L23A1 were the same

    • @zchen27
      @zchen27 2 года назад +8

      Metals like steel, tungsten, or uranium is usually better than ceramics/rubber/fiberglass when it comes to stopping KE projectiles.

    • @eraldorh
      @eraldorh 2 года назад +32

      Dude, the simulation is bullshit lol

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +205

      Its more interesting when its just at the limit ;)

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 2 года назад +60

      @@eraldorh why?

  • @petesheppard1709
    @petesheppard1709 2 года назад +47

    Thanks for speeding it up at the end; I can begin to see what a dynamic process it is.

  • @2298839082508923859
    @2298839082508923859 2 года назад +96

    Somewhere at mechanical plant:
    "Have you seen this, comrade? We should add another 16mm plate..."

    • @lightningstrike5024
      @lightningstrike5024 2 года назад +19

      they actually did this on the t-80b's except it was a 30mm HHA

    • @rkadi6540
      @rkadi6540 2 года назад

      Basically the super dolly parton turret, 20mm of extra IIRC

    • @saucy743
      @saucy743 9 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@lightningstrike5024 yes but the T-72A's recieved the 16mm plate

    • @MingyeZou
      @MingyeZou 7 месяцев назад

      应该在加一块爆炸反应装甲就行了

    • @chickenchicken8097
      @chickenchicken8097 6 месяцев назад

      @@MingyeZou t72b 已经有爆炸反应装甲了

  • @ivannunka1243
    @ivannunka1243 2 года назад +281

    Honestly held up better than I thought. I do however wonder if the T-72's composite materials have a shell life so to speak. I'm curious to know if age plays a role in their ability to stop rounds, especially chemical rounds.

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +127

      Not sure about textolite, but this hasn't got anything but steel anyway. And i would assume as the steel rusts, it weakens slightly?

    • @jPlanerv2
      @jPlanerv2 2 года назад +94

      Thats actually interesting topic that i never thought about , armor inserts on MBTs have to degrade in some way especially when they were not replaces for over a 40 years and thats same for Any leo2a4 and T72/T80, simple termal expansion and shrinking over they years had to have some negative effect on armor integrity

    • @krumpirko8888gaming
      @krumpirko8888gaming 2 года назад +17

      @@SYsimulations Hey can you include texolite in this simulation, just to see if it makes difference?

    • @The_Old_Gang
      @The_Old_Gang 2 года назад +10

      As far as I know, hulls do have lifespans

    • @contagioushavoc5794
      @contagioushavoc5794 2 года назад +6

      @@krumpirko8888gaming he has done other configurations of the t72 which include the material.

  • @LtVadim
    @LtVadim 2 года назад +93

    Can you also simulate 2 shots in a row, one by one, with damage from the first hit preserved, but the second hit is in a slightly different place nearby. That would be extremely interesting!

    • @ВашеВеличество-в5б
      @ВашеВеличество-в5б 2 года назад +10

      *аха, думаешь немец доживёт до второго выстрела???😁 не забывай, здесь не учли динамическую защиту "Контакт1", на те годы.🤦‍♂ на современные танки ставят "Контакт5 и Реликт"*

    • @alanwatts8239
      @alanwatts8239 Год назад +14

      ​@@ВашеВеличество-в5б I do.

    • @sebastiansuteu1829
      @sebastiansuteu1829 Год назад +10

      ​@@ВашеВеличество-в5б Russian tanks cant hit shit😂

    • @ВашеВеличество-в5б
      @ВашеВеличество-в5б Год назад

      @@sebastiansuteu1829 _ты реально думаешь, что мадярам достанется часть украины??? Россия даже Львов полякам не отдаст😁_

    • @vladimirpootis9690
      @vladimirpootis9690 Год назад +9

      ​@Trockner Yes as proven in desert storm and decades of combat. Great first shot capability on its FCS

  • @IceMan19000
    @IceMan19000 2 года назад +34

    U should make a witness plate, so we can see how much damage and spalling will hit the tank crew ...

    • @Klovaneer
      @Klovaneer Год назад +4

      T-72B has internal NBC padding, that should contain this amount of spalling.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 Год назад

      If you want to see spawl damage you also have to simulate the spawl liner,which I heard was quite difficult to do.

  • @RichelieuUnlimited
    @RichelieuUnlimited 2 года назад +26

    It would be interesting to see how DM53 from L/55 would fare against this array with added Kontakt-5.
    The LKE II penetrators alloy should be of lower density than pure tungsten but show some adiabatic shear similar to uranium while having increased resistance to tangential shear forces.
    The penetrator should weight ~5kg (overall 8,35kg) and have a length of 646mm (overall 745mm) and a diameter of ~20,8mm (+sheath I’m guessing overall ~24,5mm) Muzzle velocity should be ~1750m/s.
    Edit: It would also be interesting to see how DM73 would fare. It should use the same penetrator but have a muzzle velocity of ~1810m/s.

    • @92HazelMocha
      @92HazelMocha 2 года назад +12

      Dm53 will fly right through. A big part of the push for the Leo2A6, L55, gun, and later rounds like DM43 and DM53 was specifically due to the fact that the L44 paired with Dm33 could not penetrate the T72 and T80 tanks.

    • @tomk3732
      @tomk3732 2 года назад +7

      @@92HazelMocha Not really - T-72B mod89 has NERA plus K5. These increase protection by about 25%. So DM43 would certainly have issues.

    • @jdjoon
      @jdjoon 2 года назад

      Pls, make simulation

    • @jintsuubest9331
      @jintsuubest9331 2 года назад +2

      I'm not buying it unless you cut open one of them.
      Rheinmetall themself said newer generation of rod are optimized to deal with complex target with active element, and will not perform as well as previous generation if shooting against a block of steel.
      Just about every experiment shows a long stick alone, within reasonable dimension and launch parameter, is not enough to defeat complex target in this day and age.
      1800m/s is approaching unreasonable launch parameter with modern current widespread powder.
      If the rod is not overwhelming longer than 829a2, which it is not, it will not be a solid stick. But how much it differ from a solid stick is of anyone guesses, unless you got a contact in Rheinmetall.

    • @acr_master5594
      @acr_master5594 2 года назад +8

      can you post some classified military documents and the actual picture of the shell please?

  • @KiltedGorilla
    @KiltedGorilla 2 года назад +62

    A nice addition to these videos would be a display of the timescale (e.g. 30x slower than real time) although I'm not sure how difficult that would be to add. Just a thought, been enjoying your videos for a while!

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +23

      Thanks! theres a timescale in the upper left corner, this whole event takes 0.001s, so a ~10s clip means its 10,000x slower than real time :)

  • @obamnaprismus
    @obamnaprismus 2 года назад +9

    Imagine being the driver and seeing a 120mm APFSDS show its head through a crack it just made

    • @desertfalcon1539
      @desertfalcon1539 2 года назад

      Immediate cardiac arrest

    • @alikaraahmet5050
      @alikaraahmet5050 Год назад +2

      "Cyka Blyat Nakhui "

    • @sarhan5568
      @sarhan5568 Год назад

      A war thunder driver would just angle the tank so the next projectile don't peak at him.

  • @The_Old_Gang
    @The_Old_Gang 2 года назад +20

    Would love to see the Leopard 2 A5/A6 turret

  • @zolikoff
    @zolikoff 2 года назад +6

    In sims with textolite intermediaries you can see they actually help in deflecting the penetrator and reducing its effect. This here doesn't seem to be doing any of that. Projectile stays straight as an arrow and it's basically just the nominal armor thickness that is doing anything.

    • @Klovaneer
      @Klovaneer Год назад +3

      i think the alternating composites here were just dropped for air despite them being the actual MVPs in redirecting longrod (and HEAT jet) energies

  • @shaddaboop7998
    @shaddaboop7998 2 года назад +100

    One small criticism, I think you should either have a key for acronyms at the beginning of the video (eg "RHA = Rolled Homogenous Armour") or include the full names instead of the acronym the first time they're discussed in the annotations. Mainly because a lot of these terms are informal or have different meanings in different countries or contexts. Searching BHN brings you straight to the relevant wikipedia article but HHA (which I assume is High Hardness Armour?) has a zillion different meanings and wikipedia's disambiguation page doesn't even have a military article listed.

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +61

      Apologies, you're correct, it would definitely be clearer. There's not space in the video but I'll add it to the description next time if i remember

    • @shaddaboop7998
      @shaddaboop7998 2 года назад +6

      @@SYsimulations Thank you!

  • @downundergarage6968
    @downundergarage6968 2 года назад +4

    Kontact does reduce the impact of APFSDS rounds but that reduction is only in order of 5-10%. The back plate was not thick enough to really impact the direction of the sabot round. Hence only a small inc of protection offered.

    • @tayweijie7982
      @tayweijie7982 Год назад

      That kontakt 1. For kontakt 5 it does significantly reduce on a scale of 20 to 30%

    • @Vladimir-yp5pm
      @Vladimir-yp5pm Год назад

      Kontakt 1 was made to stop Shaped Charges, while the kontakt 5 is able to "stop" the kinetic energy from APFSDS rounds, sorry for my bad english

  • @Phantom-bh5ru
    @Phantom-bh5ru 2 года назад +8

    while the effect of the kontact 1 era might be minimal in this case it actually might have been enough

    • @Ry-bo9hi
      @Ry-bo9hi 2 года назад

      maybe it slightly deforming the projectile could save the rearmost plate

    • @EasoLV
      @EasoLV 2 года назад

      It's still a few more mm of metal. It will not explode, but will make it harder.

    • @viz12345
      @viz12345 2 года назад

      range is too big...

    • @charlesleethesonandfathero14
      @charlesleethesonandfathero14 5 дней назад

      @@viz12345wdym range is too big?

  • @SuperIv7
    @SuperIv7 2 года назад +5

    Correction: Leo2A4 first appeared towards the end of 1985, ~same time as T-72B /1985, not 1979. Earlier versions were upgraded to A4 standard later on.

    • @SuperIv7
      @SuperIv7 2 года назад +5

      ..also the claim that ERA Kontakt-1 would have zero effect is questionable. Looks like Leo2A4 had zero chance of penetrating actual T-72B with ERA.

    • @voidtempering8700
      @voidtempering8700 2 года назад

      @@SuperIv7 He is right, K-2 ERA provides basically zero protection against APFSDS.

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +3

      You're correct, video meant to say Leo 2 entered service, not Leo 2A4. I did another video on the T-64BV with K-1 and you can see it basically has no effect

    • @makoado6010
      @makoado6010 Год назад +1

      @@SuperIv7 this is why the l44 cannon replaced to l55... what similary effectless against t72b3.

  • @weaponizedautism6589
    @weaponizedautism6589 2 года назад +8

    This looks like a partial penetration with minimal spalling. And if this shot was aimed near the towing eyes like the video description suggests, then the schrapnel would very likely enter the fuel tank keeping the crew safe. The driver would have had an interesting day though.

    • @sjwarialaw8155
      @sjwarialaw8155 2 года назад +12

      The poor drivers always have the most interesting days...

  • @Ropetor
    @Ropetor 2 года назад +9

    Can you model 3BM26 against the M1 or M1IP?
    It was the first soviet projectile especially designed to penetrate composite armor.

    • @Phapchamp
      @Phapchamp 2 года назад +4

      You can't find schemes or info on armor composition for that tank. Only M1 armor scheme we have is for base M1 hull armor.

    • @Ropetor
      @Ropetor 2 года назад +7

      @@Phapchamp The original M1 armor array is available from the same source of the hull armor

    • @Phapchamp
      @Phapchamp 2 года назад +4

      @@Ropetor IP in M1IP stands for Improved Protection and it has the same armor as M1A1. So it's not same as M1. Although i didn't see M1 in your original comment so apologies in that regard.

  • @perfectcell1157
    @perfectcell1157 4 месяца назад

    these simulations are fascinating

  • @neferpoyaz4037
    @neferpoyaz4037 2 года назад +17

    At the range of 1500 it is definitely good, less than that and it would perforate.

    • @76456
      @76456 2 года назад +24

      2km was the expected distance for tank batles cold war. And this doesnt include Kontack 5 ERA wich equiped this tanks

    • @neferpoyaz4037
      @neferpoyaz4037 2 года назад +1

      @@76456 well it is still better than nothing, these tanks can still fuck up anything but a tank.

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +25

      @ᛗᛟᚾᛁᛊᛃ the T-72B didn't have kontakt-5 (edit: until the 1989 version), that was only on the t-80u at that time afaik. It had kontakt-1 though, which would have an insignificant effect

    • @76456
      @76456 2 года назад +2

      @@SYsimulations yes. It was the mod 1989 that had k-5.

    • @jPlanerv2
      @jPlanerv2 2 года назад +13

      @@SYsimulations Even Kontakt 1 had small effect on Kinetic projectiles not significant true but in this sim round barely penetrated last plate so i think it would change the outcome

  •  2 года назад

    Very interesting to see your simulations.

  • @thewakeup5459
    @thewakeup5459 2 года назад +10

    I'm pretty sure a two-degree elevation increase of the projectile would make it go through

    • @ImXs1p3r
      @ImXs1p3r 2 года назад +5

      if ERA was installed it might have ofsett the elevation degree by pushing it of course

    • @1222dss
      @1222dss 2 года назад +15

      @@ImXs1p3r with era it wouldn't go through for sure

    • @pacocinco
      @pacocinco 2 года назад +4

      "Hans, go drive to the top of that hill over there"

    • @mhh7544
      @mhh7544 2 года назад

      @@pacocinco Hans remember, hull down . 😎

    • @fennoman9241
      @fennoman9241 2 года назад

      @@1222dss it would, kontakt 1 isnt made for apfsds

  • @petep8828
    @petep8828 2 года назад +2

    i love how people are so invested in whether or not a projectile perforates a target…. it’s a simulation…. 4 fun…. on yt

  • @isafatcat
    @isafatcat 2 года назад +4

    would be interesting to compare this with the Leo 2A6 with the L/55 gun, see what difference the longer gun makes

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +3

      At the same range, this projectile would go through, and any newer projectile would too

  • @notabolchevik
    @notabolchevik 2 года назад +2

    They are sending the 1987 version up there, the same that got blown away in Turkey some years ago. They don´t stand a chance against modern APFDS from a T-72B3 or T-80.

    • @marius-arnoldpeper9228
      @marius-arnoldpeper9228 2 года назад +1

      It's the 1985 version, and by the performace of the T-80bvms and T-72b3 against old Ukraine scrap matel like the T-64bv, it will performe just fine.

    • @notabolchevik
      @notabolchevik 2 года назад +2

      @@marius-arnoldpeper9228 do you have any videos of T-64 killing a T-80? because there are a lot the other way around. lol

  • @Sh-epard
    @Sh-epard 2 года назад +51

    A little surprised by the result but the T-72B UFP armor was a massive upgrades for the T-72 family, just like the turret made with reflective plates and then the use of Kontakt-5 with the mod.1989.
    It would be interesting to see the same armor layout plus the Kontakt-1 against a general ATGM, not a tandem one since it will easily overcome both ERA and composite protection (maybe trying with the basic TOW-2🤓).

    • @travismccraw6013
      @travismccraw6013 2 года назад +6

      Russian tanks aren't good. Majority of the russian tanks being used dont have thermal for commander. While western tanks have been using both thermal for commander and gunner. T90m is the only russian tank in current active service, that is the first tank in russian service, that have commanders own sight. The ERA isn't doing much anyways.

    • @Saiga-saiga
      @Saiga-saiga 2 года назад

      @@travismccraw6013 just go write slava ukrainii on "Sun" channel

    • @bastikolaski8111
      @bastikolaski8111 2 года назад +43

      @@travismccraw6013 russian tanks are good

    • @barbarapitenthusiast7103
      @barbarapitenthusiast7103 2 года назад +38

      @@travismccraw6013 this is in the 80s. At that Time the soviets had tanks which were Just as good if not better but also had much more than The west

    • @Sh-epard
      @Sh-epard 2 года назад +28

      @@travismccraw6013 i don't get what your comment have to do with mine, where i'm suggesting a possible different scenario (basic single shaped charge ATGM against same UFP armor plus the Kontakt-1), and the off topic parts about thermals, electronic and FCS components.
      Are you trying to made up a flame?

  • @notmenotme614
    @notmenotme614 Год назад +1

    It’s cool seeing the sabot get shorter as it made its way through the armour.

  • @terruwuism
    @terruwuism 2 года назад +4

    Good, can we see 2A6 vs T90M next?

    • @ineverwinter
      @ineverwinter 2 года назад

      Terminator-2 (BMPT) vs M2 Bradley

  • @marcelogonzalez8547
    @marcelogonzalez8547 2 года назад +2

    Indeed, like the poster says, this is not a modern representation, since most T-72B's all have been upgraded with relikt. It would be interesting to know what relikt does to penetrators, as it can in theory reduce it's effect significantly, and what modern rounds have been developed to counter relikt. Also to note is that the thickest armor is not on the glacis but in the front of the turret, that would be interesting to see too, since that is usually the most exposed part of the tank in an engagement.

    • @guiltyshoes
      @guiltyshoes 2 года назад +2

      Not a relikt, but kontact-5

  • @jakessu5712
    @jakessu5712 2 года назад +6

    You should do this vid with DM43, 33 is too old, man

    • @oohhboy-funhouse
      @oohhboy-funhouse 2 года назад +3

      This is a sim for Cold War configurations. Plus, I am not sure if we have the specs for current weapons.

    • @ark_dd438
      @ark_dd438 2 года назад +1

      😂😂 t72b ‘85 is very new…

    • @jakessu5712
      @jakessu5712 2 года назад +1

      @@oohhboy-funhouse Cold War? lol... Man, today's realities show that the russians are actively using the T-72B on the battlefield. Leopard tanks will soon be delivered to Ukraine, which will obviously oppose the russian T-72B and other modifications of the T-72 tank, so personally I would be more interested to see a more realistic version of this video with DM 43

    • @jakessu5712
      @jakessu5712 2 года назад +1

      @@ark_dd438 Ummm... T-72B are still fighting on the battlefield in Ukraine, DM 33 is an old ammunition that most likely will no longer be used in the Leopards that will be transferred to Ukraine. Based on this, it becomes obvious that the T-72B will oppose DM 43, and maybe even 53 or 63.

    • @oohhboy-funhouse
      @oohhboy-funhouse 2 года назад +1

      @@jakessu5712 SY has explicitly stated this was based on Cold War configurations. If you have a problem take it up with him.

  • @asturiancetorix2552
    @asturiancetorix2552 2 года назад +1

    Rehinmetall is testing it´s new L51 130mm, tanks are going to need A LOT of armor to survive a hit of that thing.

  • @СергейЕмельянов-ь8д
    @СергейЕмельянов-ь8д 2 года назад +8

    Интересная симуляция. Скоро мы узнаем, как это в реальности выглядит (лучше бы это оставалось только на компьютере).

    • @viz12345
      @viz12345 2 года назад

      not really, there will be shooting at much shorter ranges...

    • @michalis7023
      @michalis7023 2 года назад +1

      @@viz12345 Well we will see on either side, but also, Soviets and Russia added a significant degree of Kinetic protection since 1989 to their T-72s by installing more rubber composite plates and use of Kontakt-5 ERA, and are compatible for usage with Relikt which is said to be twice as effective as Kontakt-5. As far as I understand, the Russian APFSDS produced since 1996, probably have no trouble penetrating the Leopard 2A4 at the common engagement ranges in this conflict..

    • @theglitch312
      @theglitch312 2 года назад +2

      @@michalis7023 True, but turret protection and reverse speeds are likely a bit more important atm.
      One, if you’re not aiming for hull-down in a defensive war, you’re doing something wrong. Plus, the T72 can’t fire a round and quickly reverse out of a dangerous position. And tank-tank kills are pretty rare in Ukraine atm. It’s mostly precision artillery and ATGMs killing tanks. So having better frontal protection won’t help in most situations.
      The advantages a 2A4+ brings can outweigh the drawback of the lack in frontal hull armor.

    • @michalis7023
      @michalis7023 2 года назад +1

      @@theglitch312 That is true, the Leopard I and II are both notoriously mobile vehicles with quite capable engines, and their is no denying the value of having the ability to reverse quickly after engaging a target. That being said, I think the main issue really is simply the weight of these vehicles being beyond anything the Ukrainian state ever could have considered realistically whilst building their roads and bridges. Ukraine, as a nation which people would like to imagine as "western" (at least, compared to Russia) was still a part of the warsaw pact for a long time, and the infrastructure throughout the nation is designed to handle the common tanks fielded by the Soviet, and now Ukrainian (and Russian) militaries.

    • @theglitch312
      @theglitch312 2 года назад

      @@michalis7023 Yup, how these fat beasts will operate using Ukrainian infrastructure remains to be seen. They’re meant to operate in the Fulda gap. So plains and mud shouldn’t be a problem. But they’ll tear up roads and bridges so moving quickly from A to B might be an issue…
      The T72 isn’t a perfect tank by any means. But it’s light and small. Two things the Leo definitely isn’t.

  • @johnlarsen0512
    @johnlarsen0512 2 года назад +2

    Weird to see this, the T-72B we used for shot testing the Leo 2A4 in Denmark was completely penetrated on the turret front, with the arrow being almost intact inside the hull, apart from it being bent and a bit shorter.

    • @kommandokodiak6025
      @kommandokodiak6025 2 года назад

      Russians made many "monkey model" t72s and this is a t72b theres a t72 and t72a

    • @BobbyB1928
      @BobbyB1928 2 года назад

      Can you send a link to these tests?

    • @rohesilmnelohe
      @rohesilmnelohe 2 года назад

      @@BobbyB1928 most likely results and materials haven't been made public.

    • @johnlarsen0512
      @johnlarsen0512 2 года назад

      @Douglas Godinich I was just the gunner, we went up and inspected the hulls after firing at them

    • @voidtempering8700
      @voidtempering8700 Год назад

      ​@@johnlarsen0512 Which round was used?

  • @cat_clan_leader
    @cat_clan_leader 2 года назад +11

    Imagine being the driver watching as the front inner wall of your tank suddenly bulges inwards and cracks open a little bit

    • @tonpalych
      @tonpalych 2 года назад

      It will be too loud, and the hit will be to strong for driver, he we'll be shocked for a couple of seconds.

    • @Manu10900
      @Manu10900 2 года назад +2

      He would be dead before even noticing, the spall would shred him to pieces. But turret crew would survive, even if their ears would hurt a bit

    • @Phapchamp
      @Phapchamp 2 года назад +4

      @@Manu10900 no. just no.

    • @barbarapitenthusiast7103
      @barbarapitenthusiast7103 2 года назад +4

      @@Manu10900 you do realize spall liners exist

    • @Manu10900
      @Manu10900 2 года назад

      @@barbarapitenthusiast7103 I was referring to the fact of the driver seeing the armor opening. But since there is spall liner that wouldn't happen

  • @黄辰旭
    @黄辰旭 Год назад +1

    72b 1989 mod has extra 30 mm UPF plate and contact-1 ERA.

  • @StrigoiVampire
    @StrigoiVampire 2 года назад +7

    Could you make a simulation of the HE projectile of a KV2 against armor from the second world war? Since this tank was not used against other tanks, only buildings I am curious to know the result.

    • @roboticrebel4092
      @roboticrebel4092 2 года назад +4

      i think that the su152 fired the same HE projectile

    • @StrigoiVampire
      @StrigoiVampire 2 года назад

      @@roboticrebel4092 I think so, I'm not sure.

  • @nobodyisbest
    @nobodyisbest Год назад +2

    The assumption here is that the tank plant didn't embezzle the funds to buy high-hardness armour plate.

  • @СлавикСапронов-м3д
    @СлавикСапронов-м3д 2 года назад +5

    T 72 ❤

  • @AG-le3ee
    @AG-le3ee 2 года назад +2

    its funny how we've gone back to using arrows again

  • @shirtdirt1874
    @shirtdirt1874 2 года назад +11

    This is IF they are built to spec and no corrupt bureaucrat got their hands caught in the cookie jar.

    • @barbarapitenthusiast7103
      @barbarapitenthusiast7103 2 года назад +3

      This is a SOVIET vehicle not a russian one

    • @shirtdirt1874
      @shirtdirt1874 2 года назад +1

      @@barbarapitenthusiast7103 oh yea corruption didn't exist in SOVIET Russia. 🤣

    • @barbarapitenthusiast7103
      @barbarapitenthusiast7103 2 года назад

      @@shirtdirt1874 the average west european country had 10 Times more corruption than The soviets

    • @shirtdirt1874
      @shirtdirt1874 2 года назад +2

      @@barbarapitenthusiast7103 cool story bro

    • @barbarapitenthusiast7103
      @barbarapitenthusiast7103 2 года назад +3

      @@shirtdirt1874 cool "I have no argument" response.

  • @HanSolo__
    @HanSolo__ Год назад

    0:22 - 0:23 This is how sloped plates are not as great as they used to be. The dart erosion has an upper area free to evacuate large volumes of destroyed armour up into the air. It makes a large hole and helps the rod to stay vertical allowing successful penetration to continue.
    But, the real winner here is the DU-made rod. The upper area opening helps this type of APFSDS dig deeper as the evacuation of erosion by-product this prevents pinching and counteracts the increasing friction forces.

  • @UniverseUA
    @UniverseUA 2 года назад +3

    Can you simulate a 10 kg tungsten railgun projectile flying at 10 km per second against some modern armor, please

    • @TeddyKrimsony
      @TeddyKrimsony 2 года назад +1

      100% penetration

    • @UniverseUA
      @UniverseUA 2 года назад

      @@TeddyKrimsony agree, but I really wanna see that

    • @Burboss
      @Burboss 2 года назад

      Are there any operational/fielded railguns anywhere?

    • @UniverseUA
      @UniverseUA 2 года назад

      @@Burboss afaik only on some battleships because they are extremely power hungry

    • @Burboss
      @Burboss 2 года назад

      @@UniverseUA there are none. I know you are referring to Zumwalt class frigates. In case you missed it, it's railguns will be replaced with guided missiles.

  • @chandraprakashvihtavuori2562
    @chandraprakashvihtavuori2562 2 года назад +2

    why does the projectile seem to rotate? The gun being smoothbore, it should not. Are the fins are tilted so that passage through the air provides some torque to start rotation? Amazing simulations, please keep it up!

    • @komradearti9935
      @komradearti9935 2 года назад +1

      fins are canted

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +8

      Apfsds (even from smoothbores) tend to rotate still (but slower than spin stabilised rounds) as it is to ensure any asymmetric defects wont cause the projectile to yaw in that direction. And yes, it is often done with the leading edge of the fins being tapered slightly

  • @Phapchamp
    @Phapchamp 2 года назад +3

    Wasn't T-72B mod 85 was made as a response to DM33 being developed? So this just isn't suprising at all.

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +7

      Don't think so, dm33 came after the 85, do you mean the T-72 with the extra 16mm as a counter to M111 hetz being developed? (Which is the same as 105mm DM23)

    • @Phapchamp
      @Phapchamp 2 года назад +2

      @@SYsimulations I might be confusing them yeah

  • @jintsuubest9331
    @jintsuubest9331 2 года назад +2

    Why the increase mass effectiveness?
    From what I read, there is barely any nera like interaction, so any improvement of performance would be the result of ejecting penetrator mass?
    So, what if the internal plate are set at a much higher angle relitive to the external plate?

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +2

      Yep, from the ejection as you say but also the increased resistance of HHA plates (you can't make a 170mm plate to a uniform high hardness). You're probably right about the increased angle as well, but that's harder to mount

  • @Sveta7
    @Sveta7 2 года назад +3

    So with even the basic kontakt 1 resctive armour (which was very common on t72B) this round would have been 100% negated.

    • @Pao234_
      @Pao234_ 2 года назад

      Imagine how it would fare against relikt + the base armor of the T90M

    • @ffgjyx
      @ffgjyx 2 года назад

      no kontakt-1 provides very little protection against KE projectiles, a closer range and this tank wouldve been perforated

    • @Sveta7
      @Sveta7 2 года назад

      @@ffgjyx But "very little" would have been enough for this particular scenario.

    • @ffgjyx
      @ffgjyx 2 года назад

      @@Sveta7 2x10mm plates wouldnt change anything significantly, t-72b ufp has around 530mm of armor with kontakt-1. dm33 at 1.5km has around 500mm of pen, reducing distance to around 1-1.3km would allow it to perforate if not penetrating the entire armor array, most likely injuring the driver from spalling.

    • @Sveta7
      @Sveta7 2 года назад

      @@ffgjyx Haha you just can't admit that you're wrong, like you said yourself it has a small effect on KE rounds which again in THIS screnario would stop the round completely.

  • @diademadiademoni202
    @diademadiademoni202 Месяц назад

    Also, a slight horizontal angle, maybe just 5-10° would stop it for well.

  • @rare_kumiko
    @rare_kumiko 2 года назад +5

    People underestimate Soviet/Russian tanks a lot tbh. They're definitely worse than Western tanks due to their less advanced electronics, being more cramped, worse crew survivability, etc., but their armour holds pretty well and their ammunition can punch through what they're likely to face. I mean, I'd much rather crew any western MBT than its Soviet/Ruski equivalent, but I wouldn't underestimate the enemy either.

    • @Cristian88.
      @Cristian88. 2 года назад +1

      Yeah. Today some people see a russian tank like an old obsolete one. In the end, russian tanks are good for what they are meant. They are worse than western because they are cheaper, and supposed to be produced on a larger scale than the western ones.

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +4

      There are so many factors in modern tanks that it's hard to draw proper comparisons as to which are better. Especially seen as outdated vehicles and projectiles are still used regularly

    • @Burboss
      @Burboss 2 года назад

      A lot of ppl perceive visually attractive features as a proof of technological superiority. Which is wrong, obviously. Especially, if you apply such approach to equipment designed for very specific purpose, such as tanks.

    • @Phapchamp
      @Phapchamp 2 года назад +5

      Only thing that is lacking in Russian tanks is electro-optical systems like CITV high quality sights sit-awareness systems rcws fcs etc. Their armor tech as well as the cannons they use are not flawed at all.

    • @Saiga-saiga
      @Saiga-saiga 2 года назад +2

      @@Phapchamp They lost a lot of material base in the nineties, the restoration of the electronic industry is difficult for them, but they have already been able to independently master two good therma sights, but of course there is room for improvement

  • @chasebh89
    @chasebh89 2 года назад +2

    could we see an impact (any arrangement) at real time speed?

  • @SimSimon87
    @SimSimon87 2 года назад

    FYI: The DM33 APFSDS is almost 40 years old and thus outdated. Rheinmetall has since launched the DM43, DM53 and DM63, with a DM73 being tested right now.
    The major difference lies the length of the projectiles. For kinetic munition a longer projectile means more penetration, so they become longer and longer with each new generation.

  • @azisandwich
    @azisandwich 2 года назад +2

    Would be nice if you made a APFSDS vs Nozh ERA simulation and maybe some APS simulations too

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +9

      That would be an amazing simulation...but not so nice on the computer

    • @azisandwich
      @azisandwich 2 года назад +1

      @@SYsimulations true, also curious how large of an effect different ERAs would have on efp warheads like BILL, TOW2B, NLAW, SMART, BONUS etc

    • @jintsuubest9331
      @jintsuubest9331 2 года назад

      @@azisandwich
      There are many research on the topic.
      For more traditional flyer plate era, the faster and thicker the flyer plate is, the better it is against efp, so basically the same as scj.
      But that's generalizing. Since efp can be made out of different material. There is also the spane of efp.
      However, realistically, since we are capable of making a missile fly in an arc, so they can have the full 100+ standard tandem scj warhead hitting the roof, is there a point on all those research?

    • @EasoLV
      @EasoLV 2 года назад

      @@petsaa And, IIRC, it still is based on Kontakt-1, thus there will be limitations.

  • @tomk3732
    @tomk3732 Месяц назад

    ERA was omitted? Even K1 would have added a bit based on thickness alone. It was mandatory part of the armor package.

  • @12LoLproductions
    @12LoLproductions 2 года назад +2

    Most T-72B's on the Russian side are fielded with Kontakt 5 rn

    • @xendk
      @xendk 2 года назад

      By now they are mostly fielded with kontakt 1

    • @Phapchamp
      @Phapchamp 2 года назад

      Plenty of regular pre-1989 T-72Bs on both sides.

    • @EasoLV
      @EasoLV 2 года назад

      ​@@Phapchamp And various versions of A's, M's, M1's and even Urals. Even the tank biathlon version was there (there are like 5 B3 versions alone in the war, original, tank biathlon, 2016 aka B3M and 2x 2022, with and without Sosna sight).
      Oh, and PT-91's are coming, and potentially M-84's, all of which have a chance to be captured, used and destroyed/recaptured.
      It's a mess.

    • @vadrak6197
      @vadrak6197 2 года назад

      @@xendk
      Actually no, most russian tanks right now in Ukraine have Kontakt-5, the ones with Kontakt-1 are phasing out either because have been destroyed or because this versions undergo upgrade right now.
      In fact in the last months there is been a massive tank production in Russia both for new made tanks or upgrading existing ones.
      The newest T-72B3M is using a more advance ERA that called Relikt which its been said that its twice as effective than the Kontakt-5 heavy ERA, the latest T-80BMV and T-90M also use Relikt.

    • @xendk
      @xendk 2 года назад

      @@vadrak6197 Actually no, most russian tanks right now in Ukraine have Kontakt-1 the ones with Kontakt-5 are phasing out either because have been destroyed or because this versions undergo upgrade right now to T-62m.
      In fact in the last months there is been a shitty low tank production in Russia both for new made tanks or old shitty ones.
      The newest T-72B3M is using a more shitty ERA thats called Relikt which its been said that its twice as ineffective as the Kontakt-5 heavy ERA, the latest T-80BMV and T-90M also use Relikt and are burning somewhere or fleeing over the thousand's of dead orcs

  • @passivehouseaustralia4406
    @passivehouseaustralia4406 2 года назад +1

    Folks note this is the absolute best case scenario for the projectile, all other angles and there would be much less penetration.

  • @xshaddd
    @xshaddd 9 месяцев назад

    shouldnt it impact the armor under lesser angle? it feels like it should point downwards

  • @emanuelb3456
    @emanuelb3456 2 года назад +2

    You don't even have to completely penetrate the armor of a tank. The blow can cause other problems. There are many tanks that remain blocked. I would always prefer a very maneuverable tank.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 Год назад

      German wargames have found the wiesel 'weapons platform' (basically a tankette) out preforms the leopard 2. This is due to small size and higher maneuverability (like 1.5 times the power to weight ratio)

  • @a.t6066
    @a.t6066 2 года назад

    Sir are you missing some videos? Your ribbed armor video is no longer there? And I think some other is missing as well?

  • @lucasboaventura100
    @lucasboaventura100 Год назад

    Mate, we need Leopard 1A5 L7A3 105mm DM33 and DM63 against T-72B1 Kontact1 Hull and Turret front and sides

  • @CorRubrum
    @CorRubrum 2 года назад

    And where is the reflection? There should be a sheet on top of all 30mm rolled homogeneous steel.

  • @wulfleyn6498
    @wulfleyn6498 Год назад

    Wonder what the difference would be for a longer A6 cannon.

  • @Max-oi4kj
    @Max-oi4kj Год назад +1

    С контакт-5 думаю получше будет, да и опять же, Т-72Б проходили модернизацию по программе "отражение" с навариванием 15мм стального листа на лоб корпуса

  • @LevSeven_
    @LevSeven_ 2 года назад +1

    If possible, can we start getting witness plates? Situations like this one or where there's just a touch less penetration would really benefit from one I think

  • @roboticrebel4092
    @roboticrebel4092 Год назад +1

    now you have to do one with more modern ammunition

  • @eric97909
    @eric97909 2 года назад +1

    Would there have been enough spall to hurt the crew behind the plate?
    Is there any anti-spall liner in these older T-72B’s?

    • @dprov1877
      @dprov1877 2 года назад +1

      No, but recently Russia has been modernizing lots of T-72B starting last month with Kontact-5 ERA in addition to kontact-1 so the shell would get as far through.

  • @diademadiademoni202
    @diademadiademoni202 Месяц назад

    1- so it's a penetration or not? Barely? Unsuccessful? Pilot hurt but tank ok? 2- if adding K-1 plate it should block totally the APFSDS even if it worths just 20-30 mm steel.

  • @timsonins
    @timsonins 2 года назад +2

    It's kinda surprising that 2A4 entered service in 1979

    • @locksneedfartn
      @locksneedfartn 2 года назад +15

      it didn't, entered in 1985. original leo 2 was 1979

  • @felixnguyen7125
    @felixnguyen7125 Год назад

    Wait isn't there suppose to be ERA on the upper glacis? Because if there was ERA the round wouldn't be able to penetrate it.

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  Год назад +1

      on the initial 1985 version there is only kontakt-1, which has little to no effect against APFSDS so was omitted for this simulation. Later versions with Kontakt-5 were much more effective

  • @Tsyurupa_Dmitry
    @Tsyurupa_Dmitry 2 года назад +1

    Сомневаюсь, что внешний и внутренних листы ВЛД RHA имеют твердость 400 ВНN. Полагаю, там 320-330 BHN

  • @goodsoup6085
    @goodsoup6085 Год назад

    Why does it never go through on the simulations but in the real world they have in fact gone through?
    Even seen a video from near the start of the war when a t64 de turreted a t72 straight through, low down on the upper front plate.

  • @razorcola9833
    @razorcola9833 2 года назад

    German 120 mm DM33 APFSDS is supposed to have a segmented penetrator.

  • @DropB
    @DropB 2 года назад

    If you have seen the beer-video from 1986. Well, that tells which one is still the valid design today....

  • @andreasmeyer3593
    @andreasmeyer3593 2 года назад +1

    Can you add a Kontak 5 ERA to the simulation? I would be nice to see what will be the penetration, since most probably the Leopard 2 which will be sent to Ukraine will meet T 72B1 model 1989 and T72B3 model 2011 & 2016. Also maybe you can simulate with more modern Projectiles like DM43 and DM53 which Leopard 2A4 with Rheinmetall L44 can use.

    • @spooky2466
      @spooky2466 2 года назад

      Considering they're using more T90Ms these past months I think it would probably face them more likely than the older T series

  • @Dejaelvicio507
    @Dejaelvicio507 2 года назад

    I admire the Soviet MBT designs, they are so old and they still resist and walk among different guerrillas.

  • @usmc5977
    @usmc5977 9 месяцев назад

    Can u try (M1A2 Sepv3) m829A4 vs T-90 M
    I've heard that round can get through 900mm (or even more) of armor

  • @markqqq_
    @markqqq_ 2 года назад +1

    It's a shame but it looks like it won't be able to pen tanks with kontakt-5

    • @Ropetor
      @Ropetor 2 года назад +7

      @@predattak DM33 is a 1987 projectile

    • @ohauss
      @ohauss 2 года назад

      Wrong. It looks like it won't penetrate when impacting at this specific angle. It doesn't say anything about not being able to penetrate at all.

    • @markqqq_
      @markqqq_ 2 года назад

      @@ohauss by saying penetrate "tanks with kontakt-5" I was, obviously, referring to the areas covered by it.

  • @lawrenceng7971
    @lawrenceng7971 2 года назад

    Now can we do a T72 Vs Leopard 2A4?

  • @Ropetor
    @Ropetor 2 года назад +1

    Could you do M900 vs T-72B 1985 or t-72B 1989 with K5?

  • @ukuskota4106
    @ukuskota4106 2 года назад

    Hard to believe it's tungsten alloy APFSDS.
    Didn't expect it will not go through.

    • @Pao234_
      @Pao234_ 2 года назад

      The power of spaced armor

  • @dennisyoung4631
    @dennisyoung4631 2 года назад

    Some bits fly around the inside - spalling?

  • @ethanmckinney203
    @ethanmckinney203 2 года назад +1

    Any chance you could run this withe the projectile being fired downwards at 7.5 degrees? Or even 5 degrees.

    • @vistakay
      @vistakay 2 года назад

      "THAT ONE WENT RIGHT THROUGH"

  • @anuszharmat
    @anuszharmat 2 года назад

    I can imagine the driver hearing a very loud cling and then see a tiny hole on a bump and be like "oh"

  • @gomergomez1984
    @gomergomez1984 2 года назад

    Do this simulation for the American M829A1 round, pretty sure it would have no problem punching thru…

  • @obiuon1812
    @obiuon1812 Год назад

    Can you simulate 120mm/125mm afpsds against thin angled armour, think hitting a hulldown BMP of something similar, for testing whether a ricochet can occur

  • @DefinitelyNotAnAddict
    @DefinitelyNotAnAddict Год назад

    Love how warthuder says this tank has 500mm of hull protection

  • @hummingbird9149
    @hummingbird9149 2 года назад +1

    What density did you use for the penetrator? DM33 uses a tungsten alloy with a 18,500 kg/m3 density.

  • @endophyte1472
    @endophyte1472 2 года назад

    DM 33 has not been manufactured for years used or exported to other countries

  • @АлексейАкараис
    @АлексейАкараис 2 года назад

    А почему динамическая защита отсутствует? Все Т-72 имеют динамическую защиту.

  • @makasinovich4871
    @makasinovich4871 2 года назад

    Forgot to add Textolite plates between the steel plates

  • @denniskrenz2080
    @denniskrenz2080 2 года назад

    Pretty much shows what was expected from the German Army perspective and what you also can find in the later comparison reports of Bundeswehr Leopard 2 vs NVA T-72B. The big difference has always been in the user interface and the people onboard.

    • @matovicmmilan
      @matovicmmilan 2 года назад

      Are you sure that the NVA possessed the T-72B variant?

    • @denniskrenz2080
      @denniskrenz2080 2 года назад

      @@matovicmmilan yes, they appear in the accounting 1990-1994 and are counted separate to the T-72GM. Also e.g. spareparts for them later got exported to Poland. Just the exact numbers vary, from merely 27 to over 150. There is an unknown number of unspecified T-72 variants exported for technical intelligence by other countries, including USA in 1992. (And about 150 older as practice target).

  • @josipbroztito9604
    @josipbroztito9604 2 года назад

    can you do the same but from like 800metres? i would like to know if it can pen if it's a little closer

  • @numbersletters3886
    @numbersletters3886 2 года назад

    Would this have sent fragments into the driver?

  • @rohesilmnelohe
    @rohesilmnelohe 2 года назад

    Also... those tanks would never fight 10m from eachother.
    Angle of impact would be smaller due to drop at range. While not much (because APFSDS is very flat flying round), it would be enough to punch through.

  • @Awsomeguy1236
    @Awsomeguy1236 2 года назад

    You should do an export 120mm round for the Abrams maybe KE-W vs the T-72B3

  • @shadowbrokerbroker1680
    @shadowbrokerbroker1680 2 года назад

    Can we get a simulation of the most modern german round vs the best armored russian tank please?

  • @zipzap5843
    @zipzap5843 2 года назад

    Great simulation , is this arrangement less effective against CE rounds due its make up?

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад

      thanks! its actually more effective as the kontakt-1 ERA is very effective againist shaped charges but not against APFSDS

  • @Ophiv2
    @Ophiv2 2 года назад +2

    Mind telling what dimensions you've used for DM33?

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +3

      Check the description for a link to the diagram :)

    • @Ophiv2
      @Ophiv2 2 года назад

      @@SYsimulations Yeh, but I wanna know what dimensions you got from said diagram - wanna crosscheck if they align with what's already on the net.

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад +2

      Oh i see, about 510 length, 28 max thread diam (but its effective diameter is less than that)

    • @Ophiv2
      @Ophiv2 2 года назад

      @@SYsimulations Yeah that roughly alighs with my measurements, although I did not check the threads - the average diameter I got was roughly ~25mm with the length being 510 - 511mm.
      Mind if I send an e-mail to you?

    • @SYsimulations
      @SYsimulations  2 года назад

      Yeah the bit just before the threads is 25mm, and of course!

  • @Robert-eq8le
    @Robert-eq8le 2 года назад

    The glacis was only rated as being able to withstand BM-22 as per the Russian Institute of Steel. Also the turret was only rated as being able to withstand BM-26. DM-33 should have been able to rip though at range. There is a diagram that shows only the turret cheeks could have been able to withstand BM-26.

    • @voidtempering8700
      @voidtempering8700 2 года назад

      The T-72b has around over 500mm of armor, DM-33 has 470mm. The UFP also has around 510mm LoS, so it is slightly less than 500mm, so it makes sense that DM-33 might penetrate.

  • @Treblaine
    @Treblaine 2 года назад

    Would a TOW missile if that time period have defeated that armor?

  • @Taoscape
    @Taoscape 2 года назад

    Any chance for some just for funsies KV-2 or SU-100y matchups? Also taking a look at the AC/DC rounds the Austrailians used might be fun :)