➡ Amazon link: geni.us/B90R3 As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases made using the "Amazon link" above. Introduction= 0:00 The Curve: 1:29 The Resolution: 3:08 Features & Aesthetics= 6:01 Contrast= 12:10 Local Dimming (SDR)= 18:43 Colour Reproduction= 28:20 HDR (High Dynamic Range)= 36:38 Responsiveness (General)= 51:10 Responsiveness (VRR)= 1:00:07 Conclusion= 1:08:36
I really like that you put out the technical issues, but you also take the time to explain them for those who doesn't know what it means in practical use. Reliably great work you put out since I started watching ~5y ago.
Nice long review. I appreciate the extended explanations and examples of the features, performance, and shortcomings in more detail. Found what I was looking for that was missing from all other reviews I watched.
So cool to see you still answering comments! I can see that you've touched upon the VA glow (bluish, silver glow) in your written review but mostly you were saying its toward the bottom of the screen. I have that glow going towards the sides of the screen and no amount of shiting my viewing position completely gets rid of it. I can somewhat see it in your review, but I'm not sure that it's something that comes with VA technology, specifics of having a curved screen (this is my first curved VA screen, I've only used flat TN's before) or my brain just playing with me. Do you notice that as well? Also, do you think it would be hard for a noob to calibrate this monitor by themselves? I've found a service that rents calibration devices out and from what I can see reviewers generally state that factory calibration is kind of weak.
Depending on your viewing distance you certainly could see 'VA glow' towards the edges, yes. You may have additional uniformity issues on your unit that brings it out a bit more strongly there as well - these curved VA models are not known for great uniformity. The gamma and white point is certainly 'off' out the box so having the monitor profiled with a colorimeter could help. It would be straightforward and if nothing else the device should help you determine the best colour channel adjustments to make for your unit.
The man, the Man, the Real Man, the Legend! Thanks a lot for such detailed reviews! I am a hopeless nitpicker so i really appreciate your job! I bought a m32u after this review... Not sure i was right and about to try to look at this one in person and maybe chage my mind (not did this before because i'm too lazy))) but i think that viewing angles and color consistency is more important than deep black (especially that i find it useful only in movies, but irritating in games due to lack of details in dark places, since plasma tv times), left alone this aggressive curve if you (like me) tend to change your sitting position and sit close to the monitor.
I've been hunting for one of these for 8 months after returning the Neo G8 and I finally pulled the trigger. £660 for an open box - not used one on the official Samsung eBay. Should be arriving in a few days, if everything is fine with it, no dead pixels etc I'll be thrilled at that price! I really did love the Neo G8 (coming from the Gigabyte AD27QD 1440p 144hz) but it had far too many issues that I was not willing to spend £1000 for... Neo G7, please be perfect for me
Awesome review, really in-depth with lots of real-world examples! The only thing missing from this review is a PQ EOTF graph for the HDR section. It seems like this monitor is tracking brighter shades brighter than reference. While the results from HWUB and TFTCentral's reviews don't look too bad, the graph from rtings is really awful: If the source demands 90 nits, the measured brightness of this monitor was 250 nits, which should mean that this monitor greatly over-brightens content, not delivering an accurate image at all.
I certainly review in a different way - more subjective assessment for things like that or as somebody on my forum neatly described: an "analogue" rather than "digital" approach. It seems this model has quite different tuning depending on firmware and possibly country revision, but I didn't find highlights blown out or shades that should be dimmer inappropriately bright on my unit.
@@PCMonitors I see, thanks. I'm currently looking for an upgrade to my nano IPS display, but all of the possible upgrades are compromises, but still way better. And I'm just stuck and can't make a decision. Seems like your approach is much more positive.
I've had the Neo G8 for about 3 weeks now and this is quite accurate to what my overall experience has been. I still can't get used to the curve, it's not as bad as the 27" models, but very conscious of it. The overall performance has been good, but the scanlines are obnoxious and distracting.. every.. single.. time. They tend to disappear on 120hz, but that work around is insane. Why buy a model this expensive to have to work around a basic feature like refresh rate? There's also been issues with multi monitor setup where the G8 glitched out and had two separate shades of luminance. Ordered the 27m2v because the new revision sounds promising and even though that monitor has some quirks, it's $500 cheaper for me and no scanlines. So I'm definitely leaning towards keeping that one regardless and sending back the Neo G8.
Thanks for the very detailed review! I should get mine tomorrow. Funny I always liked IPS but currently I have a TN main with a VA secondary, and will shift to two VAs. I'd love an OLED but I'll be using it for work too and the burn-in is a deal breaker tbh. I wanted a monitor that would give a better HDR experience than my current XG27U, that I'd be happy to stick with until MicroLED rolls around - hoping this is the one!
How have you been liking this monitor? I also am contemplating getting this due to having a work need. Trying to find that happy balance between work, gaming, and content consumption.
What a great channel and review. Saw you do this stuff since 10 years. Well done! Only thing i would like is a nits number on the sun scene in battlefield for better comparision 44:18 . I wonder if highlights under brightscreen can manage a number above 500 nits. According do rtings it can only do close to 400 when the whole screen is bright. I may keep my Acer x27 then as i want my display upgrade to be 100% worth it. However my 4090 would like 240 hz on more competetive games quite alot.
Glad you appreciate it and that's a great suggestion. As it happens we do now measure both the sun on the waterfall scene in SOTTR and the mountain sun in BFV (example - pcmonitors.info/reviews/acer-predator-x32-fp/#Contrast_and_brightness ). I didn't measure the mountain sun in this case, but it was clear that the screen had ABL kicking in at that point as mentioned in the review. By eye I'd say it would probably be quite close to 500 nits. So not as bright as the monitor can get but not super dim - better than OLEDs in that scene.
I just ordered this for €830 and the Oled G8 for €1200. I will probably keep the G7 due to the price and I do a lot of work at home, but I wanted to compare it to the OLED.
I just bought this monitor for 830€. I think it's a good deal at that price provided I won't have any QC issues. Also, what happened to the join button? Or is it only available in certain regions?
The channel membership was only running for a short trial period, it's no longer available - so you're not missing anything based on region. I appreciate the interest though - you can support the work by other means and that's always appreciated - pcmonitors.info/support-us/. That is a really good price for the monitor and I hope you enjoy the unique experience it offers! 🙂
i have extra g7 32 1440p stands and those were heavier and more sturdy than the ones that come with the neo g7/g8.. i literally put one on when testing and it helped alot.. minus the stiff rubber buttons..
when it comes to its 165hz refresh rate you noticed no artifacts or weirdness when it is reaching that maximum rate right? thank you for the great review
If it's reaching the maximum refresh rate consistently, the monitor isn't in a VRR environment and its refresh rate will be 165Hz. If it's fluctuating just slightly from that (say 160 - 165Hz) it shouldn't introduce obvious flickering, either. It's larger fluctuations that are the main issue.
@@PCMonitors I see thank you so much and one last question please, the reason i am thinking of upgrading to this monitor is because right now i have an rtx 4080 super with a 4k 60hz screen and if i have vsync on the GPU is not running at 100 percent capacity and i think that is what is causing stutters as when its locked at 60 sometimes it drops to the 50s while with vsync off the FPS can be over 100 with no stutter but i get tearing, so if i get this monitor i am hoping that the GPU will always be running at 100 percent capacity as it will never reach 165 FPS so that should stop game stuttering, is this logic reasonable to you/would that be a good reason to get the monitor, again thank you so much for your help.
I think the extra headroom of the 165Hz Samsung would be useful in that case, yes. Sometimes constraining the GPU like that can offload too much to other areas (like the CPU) and cause 'hitching' or stuttering type issues.
Samsung G8/G7 Neo has around 76% Rec 2020, Asus 32UQX has 82%, and Alienware AW3423 has 80%. The difference of less than 10% is barely noticeable (according to RTings). However, the ASUS 32UXQ reproduces the green color more saturated and it has more than 1200 nits at full window size (it influences the color reproduction), which is true, while the Samsung G8/G7 Neo reproduces the blue color more saturated (not in every case). It's a matter of preference, I suppose, whether you prefer to see the grass greener or the sky bluer. The exact color reproduction in games I suppose is not that important, as long as it's not terribly off.
RTINGS is a great resource with a lot of useful data, don't get me wrong. But looking at percentages can be misleading and such an absolute statement as "10% is barely noticeable" is frankly nonsense or attempted oversimplification. Sometimes trying to wrap things up into neat little figures and give absolutes where things aren't so black and white (so to speak) can mislead. It depends where the coverage is lacking - if it's clustered around one region of the gamut or if it's more evenly spread. For the green to blue edges the differences are significant - which is why for the Neo G7 I measured 84% Adobe RGB whereas I measured 94% Adobe RGB for the AW3423DW (plus significant extra red coverage) and 100% Adobe RGB coverage for the PG32UQX. That includes cyans, which encompasses "sky blue" as well! Furthermore, the VA panels have weaker perceived saturation peripherally as explored in the review but unfortunately not touched upon by most reviewers as their measurement instruments don't tell them such things. That's why I like to draw subjective comparisons in the reviews as well - and that included actual comparative testing in specific scenes with the AW3423DW and Neo G7 side by side in this case. There was a definite difference in vibrancy here, clear to me when gaming, as noted in the review. But everybody will have a different sensitivity to that and I certainly wouldn't describe the Neo G7 as "washed out" or anything close to that.
@@PCMonitors I wrote about games. They aren't developed using AdobeRGB, but if you started talking about AdobeRGB, the 32UQX is more precise for the green and blue colors, it's true. However, the 32UQX cannot cover AdobeRGB accurately for the red color; it shows it as oversaturated. In that case, the Samsung G7/G8 Neo will display the green color as oversaturated compared to the 32UQX. In AW3423 the red is even more saturated than in 32UQX, the blue is similar but the green isn't that good. In some cases, the Samsung G7/G8 Neo will show a more vivid red than the AW3423 when the brightness in that spot is higher compared to QD-OLED (you mentioned these cases in another video). The AW3423 cannot reproduce very high brightness. I'm not sure if curved VA panels have weaker perceived saturation peripherally. Maybe you were sitting too far from the display? If you were sitting around 0.8 meters or closer, would it be fine? Next time, you can compare not only the red and green colors but also the blue. A difference of less than 10% is obviously barely noticeable for evenly spread colors at the same brightness (I saw the comparison myself, it's true that it works like this). It is apparent from the context of my previous comment. You chose games that predominantly display green and red colors, which is obvious. Try selecting a game with a significant blue color presence as well. In that case, the G7/G8 will perform better. Although blue is not as widely used as green and red, it can be more prominent in certain games, I suppose (maybe in Cyberpunk, I'm not sure if they predominantly used the most saturated blue in it.).
It doesn't matter if games are developed for Adobe RGB or not. The colour gamut still dictates the peaks of saturation and vibrancy you experience, as explored in some detail in our reviews. This is not about accuracy or using the gamut appropriately, it's about vibrancy - the two are not the same! I also play a wide variety of games and observe a broad range of scenes within games. Furthermore, I use the monitors extensively for productivity as well as watching video content. My testing is extremely broad and thorough and it reveals the differences between the monitors very effectively. Including a lot of aspects other reviewers simply miss and users who buy these monitors are often thankful at least somebody is pointing out to them. I would highly recommend you read the written reviews as it helps reinforce some of the points made in the video reviews and explores some of these aspects in more detail. You also need to separate the concepts of colour gamut and colour volume. The former does not depend on brightness, whereas with the latter it is a factor. Monitors can show strong saturation at low to moderate brightness levels. Depending on visual sensitivity to brightness the depth and vibrancy (and perceived saturation) is still strong there. Higher brightness levels can certainly add extra 'pop' simply due to the higher brightness - but the colour gamut is not affected by that. The AW3423DW most certainly can provide high brightness in some scenes or for some elements, superior in some cases (smaller bright highlights) to the Odyssey Neo G7. And it doesn't need to dark-bias as it isn't constrained by 'dimming zones'. If you have a model with reduced colour gamut and high vibrancy or if you consider a WOLED monitor which has a reduced colour volume as brightness increases (i.e. saturation is reduced if brightness is high), adding extra brightness does not improve vibrancy and can actually hinder it in some cases. As for weaker saturation peripherally, it occurs at 0.8cm (or closer). In fact it's even illustrated visually from around that distance in the SpyderCHECKR 24 section of the review - pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-odyssey-neo-g7-s32bg75/#Colour_reproduction. If you sit further away and keep your head central these shifts will eventually disappear. So you seem to have that backwards regarding viewing distance - closer makes the issue more pronounced. This is explained in the review so I shouldn't really have to repeat myself here.
@@PCMonitors OK. Maybe you had a defective panel because I don't have those issues on my curved VA (or at least not so noticeably and it's not G8/G7 Neo). Do other curved VA panels have the same issues? It's a fact that the Samsung G7/G8 have more saturated blue than the 32UQX or AW3423. You can verify this by looking at Color Gamuts yourself, if you don't believe it. In any case, I'm very interested in your reviews, no question. You cover a lot of interesting points. Please, choose a game with a predominant blue color as well.
Different people have different colour perception and sensitivity, but I can tell you it most certainly is an issue on all VA models. And some people (such as me) do notice this readily. I don't just make things up in the reviews, but you need to understand that things I notice and comment on aren't necessarily going to be things you notice so readily. And yes, the Neo G7 does show strong pure blues and also pink shades, but when you were referring to 'sky blues' earlier they're not in that region of the gamut. You might also notice I often state royal blue for Lagom appears consistent - even on VA models. So it's able to maintain that vibrancy well across the screen. I did observe this in some scenes, but I see I didn't specifically comment on impressive vibrant blues in the review so I apologise for that. Will try to work in some examples of such shades in future reviews of similar VA models. :)
Hey there, thanks for the review of this Neo G7 monitor. What are the dimensions of the two-leg stands of this monitor? I can't find this information anywhere :(
I can tell you the depth as that's the main thing people are interested in (the stand is less wide than the monitor itself). From the written review (pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-odyssey-neo-g7-s32bg75/#Features_and_aesthetics ) : "The total depth of the monitor including stand is ~311mm (12.24 inches) with the centre of the screen ~7.5mm (3.00 inches) back from the frontmost point of the stand." I can estimate based on the monitor width of 713mm (28.07 inches) that the stand is perhaps ~640mm (~25 inches) wide.
Have you tried triple monitor setup? We bought 3 of them for a simrig and after spending 7 hours we are not able to activa the 3 monitors in the same time. No firmware update at the moment, really sad story. Of course the pc is a gaming beast. The 3 monitors are detected, but we canno't activate the 3rd checkbox in Nvidia control pannel to activate the 3rd monitor. I did never seen that before. Do you have any idea? PC spec I7 13700k ASUS TUF RTX3090 32gb GDDR5 ASUS STRIX Z690-f gaming wifi
Does the neo g7 automatically switch to hdr when hdr content is presented or do I have to switch between sdr and hdr in the menu? I sure hope it's automatic.
@@PCMonitors ok thank you I will read that as well! As long as the color is still very close to OLED and the ABL is less, I think I’ll be happy with the Neo G7
Honestly, apples and oranges. I'd recommend watching or reading both reviews (maybe flipping through the conclusions of both) and decide which experience you prefer. Personally I feel the flat IPS screen of the M32U is a better 'all-rounder' for desktop use and gaming. The Odyssey Neo G7 has particular strengths in HDR (and contrast, which is important to some people) but more quirks as well.
Hi there, I'm thinking of getting this gaming monitor! I would like to clarify a few things before getting/buying the Samsung Neo g7 32 inch curved gaming monitor! 1) Does this have a bulit in speaker! 2) Does this support 2.1 hdmi cable! and lastly 3) Does this support vrr and allm for PS5 and Xbox Series X!!
Alrighty, so no built in speaker and allm, I was really hoping it's had bulit in speaker cause, I don't really like using headphones too much. So what is the best mini speaker or sound bar to get for this gaming monitor? And what will likely replace allm for better graphic gaming picture since it doesn't support it? So is this gaming monitor likely popular to get by any chance? Is the neo g7 better then neo g8? Cause I don't want to be disappointed again after getting two different gaming monitor!! Well at least it's support vrr for lots of upcoming PS5 games!!! ;P
Sound is not my area, so you'd have to go by reviews on Amazon and other RUclipsrs. ALLM very simply tells a TV to switch to a 'gaming' mode or similar preset when it detects a compatible HDMI 2.1 device. Nothing fancy and not necessary on a monitor since presets aren't typically tied to input lag levels. If you like what you see in the review (which will give you the best idea of what to expect from the monitor, short of using it yourself) then go for it. I'm not a fan of the Neo G8 because it has heavy static 'interlace pattern' artifacting at higher refresh rates.
As long as it's 100 x 100mm VESA compatible and supports the monitor weight (6.7kg / 14.8lb), it will do the trick. Even the Amazon Basics monitor arm is pretty solid and will be a massive improvement over the included stand for solid feel and taking up less desk space. People seem to like the VIVO stands as well.
Apples and oranges really. The M32U is the 'safer' choice, with it being flat and not having the additional quirks of the Samsung which are highlighted in the review. It is a monitor we recommend - pcmonitors.info/recommendations/gaming-monitors/. Having said that, the contrast and HDR performance is certainly much better on the Samsung - just depends how much you value that over the more consistent experience of the Gigabyte. The Gigabyte should be significantly cheaper, too.
@@PCMonitors i wish we had a 21x9 option that was not oled with g7/neo g7 motion.. very limited.. I had tested 2 57 neo g9 and they had gsync flicker (no vrr on osd option) but was very bright atleast 700nits 100% white screen.. such a bummer.. but 21x9 is the sweet spot.. I can get a neo g7 for 207 shipped but I don't like the agressive abl it has.. my 32 g7 holds 540 nits 100%... also 57 neo g9 does not experience any abl
Hi I would like to ask if the boot screen of Windows is also streched from low res on your Neo G7? For me the monitor shows 1440p120Hz but obviously streched form a 4:3 display... If switch to DP1.1 or HDMI1.4 the boot screen is in 2160p no streching but only 30Hz (as we know it reaches the limit of DP1.1 and HDMI1.4)
I'm not sure how the boot screen decides which resolution to use, but I've observed this sort of thing on various monitors and it isn't something to worry about. It just depends how resolutions are ordered and listed on the EDID of the screen and doesn't affect normal function when you're in Windows and the desired resolution and refresh rate is selected.
@@PCMonitors Thanks. Samsung is having a special deal here, so that's why the price is now so 'low'. If the curve wasn't there or at least not as strong, I would have already pulled the trigger, now I'm still hesitating. Good to know it still performs adequately at today's standards.
Is there any comparable monitor in terms of HDR performance from a company with better QC than Samsung? Current or upcoming. No OLEDs, since I don't feel like getting a new $1000+ monitor every 2-3 years.
Assuming you'd like to stick with the '4K' resolution, I'd keep an eye out for the Acer X32 FP or ASUS PG32UQXE. Or if you're happy with a 27" screen, the Cooler Master Tempest GP27U. These are covered along with others in this thread - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/the-rise-of-mini-led-and-qd-oled/.
Zone count is only part of the equation. There are different panel types in this case and the dimming algorithm is also important. I'd expect more 'haloing' or 'blooming' (though still not an extreme amount of this, from early test data I've seen) but superior brightness output even where bright shades dominate. So the Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 is a unique product and as per the video title, gives "A Unique Experience". I should also add the Odyssey Neo G7 I reviewed was a random retail sample and had no QC concerns of note. I appreciate this is just one sample, but people are often more vocal when it comes to complaining about issues vs. praising a product like this and it can give you a skewed idea of how many units actually have QC issues.
Much more impressive HDR and if you get on with the curve (which is the same) it's probably worth giving it a try. The upgrade in resolution is also very nice in my view.
Have you reviewed the Neo g8 by any chance stuck between the two for ps5 some are saying g8 is brighter and responsive more compare to g7 ur thoughts ?
I don't think it's brighter, or not in a meaningful way for most people. It may or not not be marginally brighter, it's within sample tolerance from the results I've seen, and both models are bright enough even not set anywhere near maximum SDR brightness. The 120Hz performance is similar enough that you're unlikely to notice a difference there and the Neo G7 has a nicer screen surface in my view (lighter matte). The only real benefit of the Neo G8 in my book is its 240Hz capability, but that also comes with significant static 'interlace pattern artifacts'. This is not relevant on the PS5 as you're stuck at 120Hz and frankly the Neo G8 would be a waste of money over the G7. Further reading - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/samsung-odyssey-neo-g8-s32bg85-review-notes/.
how close to OLED this monitor is coming in your opinion? i mean its a mini led monitor and so it has the advantage of not getting burn in! so i might consider it over an OLED even when i love the infinite contrast of Oled..
I draw some comparisons in the review, particularly with respect to HDR. Colour quality is nowhere close to OLED and pixel responsiveness is weaker. OLEDs have millions of dimming zones whereas this has 1196. This monitor can sustain higher brightness levels than OLED and as you state you don't have image retention or burn-in concerns. For some scenes the OLED would have an edge, there are other scenes where it would be difficult to notice much difference and others where the Samsung provides superior output due to its higher sustained brightness. And there's no directly comparable OLED on the market, so this remains a unique experience (hence the video title 😉 ).
@@PCMonitors ok thanks for the quick detailed answer, just curious what exactly do you mean with the better color quality on Oled? in what way? in terms of vibrancy too?
Part of it comes down to colour consistency, which is explored in the 'Colour reproduction' section of the review. I'd also recommend reading that section of the written review if you haven't already as it reinforces this concept and associated weaknesses - pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-odyssey-neo-g7-s32bg75/#Colour_reproduction. The weaknesses in colour consistency (saturation losses and dulling peripherally compared to the centre) plus the colour gamut being somewhat less impressive than 'competing' OLED models does indeed affect vibrancy. It isn't as if the Samsung appears 'washed out', as explored in the review, but there is still a difference in this respect.
@@PCMonitors That does not seem to work, unfortunately. I can still see it on level 30 where the whole screen becomes blueish. It looks similar to chromatic aberration, where magenta can be seen on the edges and some bright colors, like the cheeks on a brightly lit face.
Sorry if it wasn't clear in the video (always double check the written review if in doubt), but the "only for PC" bit would've been the 165Hz capability. The PS5 gets 4K at up to 120Hz with this one via HDMI 2.1.
Those consoles will give a very similar experience to what we showed using a PC (they're basically just mid-range AMD-based PCs) but limited to 120Hz. So yes, a nice contrast experience in particular for SDR and HDR. For office usage it's a nice size and resolution, but the curve is very subjective and potentially annoying for such uses. We'll shortly be reviewing a flat IPS alternative (Acer X32 FP) which could be more suited if you don't want a curve or value stronger colour vibrancy - pcmonitors.info/acer/acer-x32-fp-160hz-4k-ips-with-576-zone-mini-led-backlight/.
@@PCMonitors I currently have the Dell s3422dwg curved monitor and I like it very much. but since I no longer play on the pc, the 34-inch format is pointless. I only work on the pc for 20-30 minutes every day, otherwise the monitor is used to play games. I just ordered it from Amazon for €960. if it doesn't fit or the quality is bad, it goes back. I wanted it for darker games because games like Resident Evil or Dead Space don't look as good without local dimming.
Yup, it definitely changes shade brightness and representation. But it's very content-dependent and depending on the gamma test you use (or what is actually being shown on the monitor at any given time) the gamma won't always be like that. You should notice visibility on Lagom's black level test is better than you would expect for a gamma of '2.5' or '2.7'. Local dimming on monitors is never good for accurate output, it definitely causes odd inconsistencies.
@@PCMonitors I really appreciate your detailed reply. A friend of mine once told me that it's better to turn Local Dimming OFF when creating color-critical works, I couldn't relate it then, thanks for your answer, now I know why.
@@PCMonitors More and more affordable miniLED monitors are coming out. I believe there are not much ppl familiar with these things (relation between Local Dimming ON in SDR & GAMMA) I know it's kinda a personal preference thing, but I want to know will you suggest non-creator to enable Local Dimming in SDR or not. (for those who only use their monitors for Gaming, Video watching, and Office work)
As per the review, I don't like using local dimming on the desktop due to clear inconsistencies - even for general usage, let alone creative purposes. This is typically the case and some models can be worse than others depending on the local dimming algorithm, but our experiences in that respect is always covered in reviews (including this one - 24:42).
Apples and oranges and depends on your own preferences and what you value in the experience. I'd highly recommend reading and watching both reviews or at least the conclusions. For HDR and general contrast, this Samsung is vastly better - if you're really itching to use HDR it would be a good choice I reckon. But the colour reproduction, flat screen (if you dislike a strong curve) and lighter screen surface that impedes the image less go in the BenQ's favour.
The ports are hard to see, read and access. The control buttons are badly designed, hard to navigate, too close to each other. I am coming from an Alienware 1440p 240hz gsync ultimate monitor 27 inches for comparison.
Q (translated): Oh, so much has been said.))Does the average user need this)? A: If they want to have a really good grasp of what to expect from the monitor, yes. If they're happy to spend that much money on a product without having a deep understanding of its pros and cons, including some issues which may actually annoy them, then that's up to them.
No plans to. It's terrible for HDR compared to this. It has 64-zone edge lit local dimming and provides good brightness but terrible contrast. Save your money and get an M32U, or pay extra for the Neo G7 or X32 FP we're currently reviewing
@@PCMonitors thanks. I've heard it's the best 4k gaming monitor, and HDR isn't my top of the list. Is the G7 better at response time and gaming experience?
It offers good vibrancy and can give nice bursts of brightness - responsiveness is also good. If you don't much care for the HDR side of things you might like what it offers.
@@PCMonitors thank you for your time and info. also iv'e researched into the x32 fp, because the Samsung build quality is very questionable, lot's of complaint. the x32 fp is a FLOP because of technical issues, this is from the owner of x32: "I got mine yesterday (latest firmware) , very disappointing monitor. HDR is a bad joke, blooming all over the place (low dimming zone count) dimming flickering. Not usable for any dark games or movies. And the price is a joke as well 1600€ here in Germany... 60hz latency is really bad too... I will send mine back. Also very clunky ui no usable software to switch dimming on or off.... Etc etc etc..." lot's of x32 fp owners are disappointed.. i think il research some more, if not. il go GQ950 or maybe some 27 inch 4k monitor.
People are more vocal when complaining and more eager to share disappointment than praise things. Such is human psychology and that applies to both the X32 FP and Neo G7. I completely disagree that the X32 FP is a "flop" and they're actively improving its firmware to make it a bit more user friendly with respect to the OSD. The most comprehensive and useful resource for user feedback (positive and negative) is actually my own forum - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/some-thoughts-on-acer-x32-fp-local-dimming-and-screen-surface/. It offers superior vibrancy to the LG, a more balanced spectrum which some will find visually more comfortable and superior static contrast. And it's vastly superior for darker shade representation ('depth and atmosphere') under HDR or SDR using local dimming. The high refresh rate responsiveness is also strong - it's really a superior product in some respects to the LG, though it's still a monitor some will really like and others won't depending on preferences. US pricing is also much more attractive than its EU pricing. Either way, if you're not interested in HDR I think the LG is a decent offering for the price.
Monitors are highly subjective and grouping together 'casual gamers' is not wise. I am frequently contacted by 'casual gamers' and they all have different needs, wants and sensitivities. As a reviewer it's important to point out flaws and cover features that can be problematic to some. People are then free to make their own mind up about said 'feature' based on their own preferences and sensitivities.
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Introduction= 0:00
The Curve: 1:29
The Resolution: 3:08
Features & Aesthetics= 6:01
Contrast= 12:10
Local Dimming (SDR)= 18:43
Colour Reproduction= 28:20
HDR (High Dynamic Range)= 36:38
Responsiveness (General)= 51:10
Responsiveness (VRR)= 1:00:07
Conclusion= 1:08:36
You are the first one who noticed the scan line issue even on G7, I think this review goes even deeper than more big budget reviews.
I really like that you put out the technical issues, but you also take the time to explain them for those who doesn't know what it means in practical use. Reliably great work you put out since I started watching ~5y ago.
Thanks Jay. It's nice to have the work appreciated like that. 🙂
Nice long review. I appreciate the extended explanations and examples of the features, performance, and shortcomings in more detail. Found what I was looking for that was missing from all other reviews I watched.
Glad it was helpful!
@@PCMonitors Very much so, even now 3 months later! TY!
So cool to see you still answering comments! I can see that you've touched upon the VA glow (bluish, silver glow) in your written review but mostly you were saying its toward the bottom of the screen. I have that glow going towards the sides of the screen and no amount of shiting my viewing position completely gets rid of it. I can somewhat see it in your review, but I'm not sure that it's something that comes with VA technology, specifics of having a curved screen (this is my first curved VA screen, I've only used flat TN's before) or my brain just playing with me. Do you notice that as well?
Also, do you think it would be hard for a noob to calibrate this monitor by themselves? I've found a service that rents calibration devices out and from what I can see reviewers generally state that factory calibration is kind of weak.
Depending on your viewing distance you certainly could see 'VA glow' towards the edges, yes. You may have additional uniformity issues on your unit that brings it out a bit more strongly there as well - these curved VA models are not known for great uniformity. The gamma and white point is certainly 'off' out the box so having the monitor profiled with a colorimeter could help. It would be straightforward and if nothing else the device should help you determine the best colour channel adjustments to make for your unit.
Amazingly detailed review! I watched the whole video and very much appreciate it, learned a lot about monitors along the way. 👍
Glad it was helpful! 🙂
The man, the Man, the Real Man, the Legend! Thanks a lot for such detailed reviews! I am a hopeless nitpicker so i really appreciate your job! I bought a m32u after this review... Not sure i was right and about to try to look at this one in person and maybe chage my mind (not did this before because i'm too lazy))) but i think that viewing angles and color consistency is more important than deep black (especially that i find it useful only in movies, but irritating in games due to lack of details in dark places, since plasma tv times), left alone this aggressive curve if you (like me) tend to change your sitting position and sit close to the monitor.
Waiting for this as well, even though I pretty much settled on OLED.
watch out for image burn
Really good review. Extremely helpful in answering many of the very detailed questions I had about this monitor in various uses.
I've been hunting for one of these for 8 months after returning the Neo G8 and I finally pulled the trigger. £660 for an open box - not used one on the official Samsung eBay. Should be arriving in a few days, if everything is fine with it, no dead pixels etc I'll be thrilled at that price! I really did love the Neo G8 (coming from the Gigabyte AD27QD 1440p 144hz) but it had far too many issues that I was not willing to spend £1000 for... Neo G7, please be perfect for me
Funny enough I ordered one myself yesterday from Samsung UK, £760 new cause they have 30% off coupon for this monitor
800 euros brand new from Amazon here.
Awesome review, really in-depth with lots of real-world examples! The only thing missing from this review is a PQ EOTF graph for the HDR section. It seems like this monitor is tracking brighter shades brighter than reference. While the results from HWUB and TFTCentral's reviews don't look too bad, the graph from rtings is really awful: If the source demands 90 nits, the measured brightness of this monitor was 250 nits, which should mean that this monitor greatly over-brightens content, not delivering an accurate image at all.
I certainly review in a different way - more subjective assessment for things like that or as somebody on my forum neatly described: an "analogue" rather than "digital" approach. It seems this model has quite different tuning depending on firmware and possibly country revision, but I didn't find highlights blown out or shades that should be dimmer inappropriately bright on my unit.
@@PCMonitors I see, thanks. I'm currently looking for an upgrade to my nano IPS display, but all of the possible upgrades are compromises, but still way better. And I'm just stuck and can't make a decision. Seems like your approach is much more positive.
Now I can finally understand what Digital Foundry means when they talk about VRR, thank you!
I've had the Neo G8 for about 3 weeks now and this is quite accurate to what my overall experience has been. I still can't get used to the curve, it's not as bad as the 27" models, but very conscious of it. The overall performance has been good, but the scanlines are obnoxious and distracting.. every.. single.. time. They tend to disappear on 120hz, but that work around is insane. Why buy a model this expensive to have to work around a basic feature like refresh rate? There's also been issues with multi monitor setup where the G8 glitched out and had two separate shades of luminance.
Ordered the 27m2v because the new revision sounds promising and even though that monitor has some quirks, it's $500 cheaper for me and no scanlines. So I'm definitely leaning towards keeping that one regardless and sending back the Neo G8.
Thanks for the very detailed review! I should get mine tomorrow. Funny I always liked IPS but currently I have a TN main with a VA secondary, and will shift to two VAs. I'd love an OLED but I'll be using it for work too and the burn-in is a deal breaker tbh. I wanted a monitor that would give a better HDR experience than my current XG27U, that I'd be happy to stick with until MicroLED rolls around - hoping this is the one!
How have you been liking this monitor? I also am contemplating getting this due to having a work need. Trying to find that happy balance between work, gaming, and content consumption.
I wish this monitor was available as a flat panel
I agree the curve is too much for me, it looks like it is bend🤣
What a great channel and review. Saw you do this stuff since 10 years. Well done! Only thing i would like is a nits number on the sun scene in battlefield for better comparision 44:18 . I wonder if highlights under brightscreen can manage a number above 500 nits. According do rtings it can only do close to 400 when the whole screen is bright. I may keep my Acer x27 then as i want my display upgrade to be 100% worth it. However my 4090 would like 240 hz on more competetive games quite alot.
Glad you appreciate it and that's a great suggestion. As it happens we do now measure both the sun on the waterfall scene in SOTTR and the mountain sun in BFV (example - pcmonitors.info/reviews/acer-predator-x32-fp/#Contrast_and_brightness ). I didn't measure the mountain sun in this case, but it was clear that the screen had ABL kicking in at that point as mentioned in the review. By eye I'd say it would probably be quite close to 500 nits. So not as bright as the monitor can get but not super dim - better than OLEDs in that scene.
even now this still seems like a solid screen, especially at a discount
I just ordered this for €830 and the Oled G8 for €1200. I will probably keep the G7 due to the price and I do a lot of work at home, but I wanted to compare it to the OLED.
Which do you prefer? Assuming you've received both by now
I just bought this monitor for 830€. I think it's a good deal at that price provided I won't have any QC issues.
Also, what happened to the join button? Or is it only available in certain regions?
The channel membership was only running for a short trial period, it's no longer available - so you're not missing anything based on region. I appreciate the interest though - you can support the work by other means and that's always appreciated - pcmonitors.info/support-us/. That is a really good price for the monitor and I hope you enjoy the unique experience it offers! 🙂
спасибо за тесты. После этого обзора я решил купить этот монитор
Купил? Как впечатления?
Great can't wait
m2!
i have extra g7 32 1440p stands and those were heavier and more sturdy than the ones that come with the neo g7/g8.. i literally put one on when testing and it helped alot.. minus the stiff rubber buttons..
when it comes to its 165hz refresh rate you noticed no artifacts or weirdness when it is reaching that maximum rate right? thank you for the great review
Glad you liked the review. And that's correct, a stable or static 165Hz is not a problem in terms of flickering or other obvious artifacts.
@PCMonitors thank you. Even with vrr no issues?
If it's reaching the maximum refresh rate consistently, the monitor isn't in a VRR environment and its refresh rate will be 165Hz. If it's fluctuating just slightly from that (say 160 - 165Hz) it shouldn't introduce obvious flickering, either. It's larger fluctuations that are the main issue.
@@PCMonitors I see thank you so much and one last question please, the reason i am thinking of upgrading to this monitor is because right now i have an rtx 4080 super with a 4k 60hz screen and if i have vsync on the GPU is not running at 100 percent capacity and i think that is what is causing stutters as when its locked at 60 sometimes it drops to the 50s while with vsync off the FPS can be over 100 with no stutter but i get tearing, so if i get this monitor i am hoping that the GPU will always be running at 100 percent capacity as it will never reach 165 FPS so that should stop game stuttering, is this logic reasonable to you/would that be a good reason to get the monitor, again thank you so much for your help.
I think the extra headroom of the 165Hz Samsung would be useful in that case, yes. Sometimes constraining the GPU like that can offload too much to other areas (like the CPU) and cause 'hitching' or stuttering type issues.
Nice Review!
Does the Neo G8 also have this flickering?
It does indeed.
My friend's unit got scanlines that seems to be more noticeable than yours. Samsung said it's normal and neither refundable nor included in warranty.
I appreciate your review, detailed and professional as always, I can't wait to see you guys do a review of XL2566k even though I'm not a FPS player
It's shame your friend found the scanlines / 'interlace pattern artifacts' annoying. But glad you're enjoying our content. 🙂
Samsung G8/G7 Neo has around 76% Rec 2020, Asus 32UQX has 82%, and Alienware AW3423 has 80%. The difference of less than 10% is barely noticeable (according to RTings). However, the ASUS 32UXQ reproduces the green color more saturated and it has more than 1200 nits at full window size (it influences the color reproduction), which is true, while the Samsung G8/G7 Neo reproduces the blue color more saturated (not in every case). It's a matter of preference, I suppose, whether you prefer to see the grass greener or the sky bluer. The exact color reproduction in games I suppose is not that important, as long as it's not terribly off.
RTINGS is a great resource with a lot of useful data, don't get me wrong. But looking at percentages can be misleading and such an absolute statement as "10% is barely noticeable" is frankly nonsense or attempted oversimplification. Sometimes trying to wrap things up into neat little figures and give absolutes where things aren't so black and white (so to speak) can mislead. It depends where the coverage is lacking - if it's clustered around one region of the gamut or if it's more evenly spread. For the green to blue edges the differences are significant - which is why for the Neo G7 I measured 84% Adobe RGB whereas I measured 94% Adobe RGB for the AW3423DW (plus significant extra red coverage) and 100% Adobe RGB coverage for the PG32UQX. That includes cyans, which encompasses "sky blue" as well!
Furthermore, the VA panels have weaker perceived saturation peripherally as explored in the review but unfortunately not touched upon by most reviewers as their measurement instruments don't tell them such things. That's why I like to draw subjective comparisons in the reviews as well - and that included actual comparative testing in specific scenes with the AW3423DW and Neo G7 side by side in this case. There was a definite difference in vibrancy here, clear to me when gaming, as noted in the review. But everybody will have a different sensitivity to that and I certainly wouldn't describe the Neo G7 as "washed out" or anything close to that.
@@PCMonitors I wrote about games. They aren't developed using AdobeRGB, but if you started talking about AdobeRGB, the 32UQX is more precise for the green and blue colors, it's true. However, the 32UQX cannot cover AdobeRGB accurately for the red color; it shows it as oversaturated. In that case, the Samsung G7/G8 Neo will display the green color as oversaturated compared to the 32UQX. In AW3423 the red is even more saturated than in 32UQX, the blue is similar but the green isn't that good. In some cases, the Samsung G7/G8 Neo will show a more vivid red than the AW3423 when the brightness in that spot is higher compared to QD-OLED (you mentioned these cases in another video). The AW3423 cannot reproduce very high brightness.
I'm not sure if curved VA panels have weaker perceived saturation peripherally. Maybe you were sitting too far from the display? If you were sitting around 0.8 meters or closer, would it be fine?
Next time, you can compare not only the red and green colors but also the blue. A difference of less than 10% is obviously barely noticeable for evenly spread colors at the same brightness (I saw the comparison myself, it's true that it works like this). It is apparent from the context of my previous comment.
You chose games that predominantly display green and red colors, which is obvious. Try selecting a game with a significant blue color presence as well. In that case, the G7/G8 will perform better. Although blue is not as widely used as green and red, it can be more prominent in certain games, I suppose (maybe in Cyberpunk, I'm not sure if they predominantly used the most saturated blue in it.).
It doesn't matter if games are developed for Adobe RGB or not. The colour gamut still dictates the peaks of saturation and vibrancy you experience, as explored in some detail in our reviews. This is not about accuracy or using the gamut appropriately, it's about vibrancy - the two are not the same! I also play a wide variety of games and observe a broad range of scenes within games. Furthermore, I use the monitors extensively for productivity as well as watching video content. My testing is extremely broad and thorough and it reveals the differences between the monitors very effectively. Including a lot of aspects other reviewers simply miss and users who buy these monitors are often thankful at least somebody is pointing out to them. I would highly recommend you read the written reviews as it helps reinforce some of the points made in the video reviews and explores some of these aspects in more detail.
You also need to separate the concepts of colour gamut and colour volume. The former does not depend on brightness, whereas with the latter it is a factor. Monitors can show strong saturation at low to moderate brightness levels. Depending on visual sensitivity to brightness the depth and vibrancy (and perceived saturation) is still strong there. Higher brightness levels can certainly add extra 'pop' simply due to the higher brightness - but the colour gamut is not affected by that. The AW3423DW most certainly can provide high brightness in some scenes or for some elements, superior in some cases (smaller bright highlights) to the Odyssey Neo G7. And it doesn't need to dark-bias as it isn't constrained by 'dimming zones'. If you have a model with reduced colour gamut and high vibrancy or if you consider a WOLED monitor which has a reduced colour volume as brightness increases (i.e. saturation is reduced if brightness is high), adding extra brightness does not improve vibrancy and can actually hinder it in some cases.
As for weaker saturation peripherally, it occurs at 0.8cm (or closer). In fact it's even illustrated visually from around that distance in the SpyderCHECKR 24 section of the review - pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-odyssey-neo-g7-s32bg75/#Colour_reproduction. If you sit further away and keep your head central these shifts will eventually disappear. So you seem to have that backwards regarding viewing distance - closer makes the issue more pronounced. This is explained in the review so I shouldn't really have to repeat myself here.
@@PCMonitors OK. Maybe you had a defective panel because I don't have those issues on my curved VA (or at least not so noticeably and it's not G8/G7 Neo). Do other curved VA panels have the same issues?
It's a fact that the Samsung G7/G8 have more saturated blue than the 32UQX or AW3423. You can verify this by looking at Color Gamuts yourself, if you don't believe it.
In any case, I'm very interested in your reviews, no question. You cover a lot of interesting points. Please, choose a game with a predominant blue color as well.
Different people have different colour perception and sensitivity, but I can tell you it most certainly is an issue on all VA models. And some people (such as me) do notice this readily. I don't just make things up in the reviews, but you need to understand that things I notice and comment on aren't necessarily going to be things you notice so readily. And yes, the Neo G7 does show strong pure blues and also pink shades, but when you were referring to 'sky blues' earlier they're not in that region of the gamut.
You might also notice I often state royal blue for Lagom appears consistent - even on VA models. So it's able to maintain that vibrancy well across the screen. I did observe this in some scenes, but I see I didn't specifically comment on impressive vibrant blues in the review so I apologise for that. Will try to work in some examples of such shades in future reviews of similar VA models. :)
Hey there, thanks for the review of this Neo G7 monitor. What are the dimensions of the two-leg stands of this monitor? I can't find this information anywhere :(
I can tell you the depth as that's the main thing people are interested in (the stand is less wide than the monitor itself). From the written review (pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-odyssey-neo-g7-s32bg75/#Features_and_aesthetics ) : "The total depth of the monitor including stand is ~311mm (12.24 inches) with the centre of the screen ~7.5mm (3.00 inches) back from the frontmost point of the stand."
I can estimate based on the monitor width of 713mm (28.07 inches) that the stand is perhaps ~640mm (~25 inches) wide.
The 43 inch non curved variant has hdmi arc. Why isn't it eARC? If it's hdmi 2.1. If its only hdmi arc, does it support dolby digital plus? Or atmos?
33:08 Black Smearing? on a mesh fence
Have you tried triple monitor setup?
We bought 3 of them for a simrig and after spending 7 hours we are not able to activa the 3 monitors in the same time.
No firmware update at the moment, really sad story.
Of course the pc is a gaming beast. The 3 monitors are detected, but we canno't activate the 3rd checkbox in Nvidia control pannel to activate the 3rd monitor.
I did never seen that before.
Do you have any idea?
PC spec
I7 13700k
ASUS TUF RTX3090
32gb GDDR5
ASUS STRIX Z690-f gaming wifi
Mmmm, following your conclusion - if you'd find this monitor at 850$ - would you buy it? Is it still worth it for that price?
It's very subjective and depends if you like the sound of it from the review.
Thanks
You're welcome.
Does the neo g7 automatically switch to hdr when hdr content is presented or do I have to switch between sdr and hdr in the menu? I sure hope it's automatic.
Yup, it's automatic.
How is the color and ABL compared to the LG C2? For me the LG C2’s ABL aggressiveness is what is making me want an LED
Per the review the ABL is less aggressive than on OLEDs.
@@PCMonitors ok thank you I will read that as well! As long as the color is still very close to OLED and the ABL is less, I think I’ll be happy with the Neo G7
So would u recommend this for someone who wants dark blacks, good colors, hdr and high resolution? Or should I go with a 1440p oled
Personally I prefer the OLED experience overall, but this is nice if you particularly like stronger brightness.
Which one do you suggest? M32U or Odyssey neo g7? I want a 32 inch monitor for gaming and programming.
Honestly, apples and oranges. I'd recommend watching or reading both reviews (maybe flipping through the conclusions of both) and decide which experience you prefer. Personally I feel the flat IPS screen of the M32U is a better 'all-rounder' for desktop use and gaming. The Odyssey Neo G7 has particular strengths in HDR (and contrast, which is important to some people) but more quirks as well.
Hi there, I'm thinking of getting this gaming monitor! I would like to clarify a few things before getting/buying the Samsung Neo g7 32 inch curved gaming monitor! 1) Does this have a bulit in speaker! 2) Does this support 2.1 hdmi cable! and lastly 3) Does this support vrr and allm for PS5 and Xbox Series X!!
1) No speakers on this one.
2) Yes (covered in the review).
3) VRR yes (covered in the review), ALLM is a TV feature that's not relevant for monitors.
Alrighty, so no built in speaker and allm, I was really hoping it's had bulit in speaker cause, I don't really like using headphones too much. So what is the best mini speaker or sound bar to get for this gaming monitor? And what will likely replace allm for better graphic gaming picture since it doesn't support it? So is this gaming monitor likely popular to get by any chance? Is the neo g7 better then neo g8? Cause I don't want to be disappointed again after getting two different gaming monitor!! Well at least it's support vrr for lots of upcoming PS5 games!!! ;P
Sound is not my area, so you'd have to go by reviews on Amazon and other RUclipsrs. ALLM very simply tells a TV to switch to a 'gaming' mode or similar preset when it detects a compatible HDMI 2.1 device. Nothing fancy and not necessary on a monitor since presets aren't typically tied to input lag levels. If you like what you see in the review (which will give you the best idea of what to expect from the monitor, short of using it yourself) then go for it. I'm not a fan of the Neo G8 because it has heavy static 'interlace pattern' artifacting at higher refresh rates.
Alrighty thanks. Do you know at least what kinda of best gaming monitor arms or stand to get for this one by any chance?
As long as it's 100 x 100mm VESA compatible and supports the monitor weight (6.7kg / 14.8lb), it will do the trick. Even the Amazon Basics monitor arm is pretty solid and will be a massive improvement over the included stand for solid feel and taking up less desk space. People seem to like the VIVO stands as well.
Thinking sending acer predator xb323 retour for this, 4k hdr glows and is kind of ghosting, the anti glare shines in the bottom corners
hello, what do you think would be better this monitor or gigabyte m32u considering that I also use it for pc/ps5 and for work.
Apples and oranges really. The M32U is the 'safer' choice, with it being flat and not having the additional quirks of the Samsung which are highlighted in the review. It is a monitor we recommend - pcmonitors.info/recommendations/gaming-monitors/. Having said that, the contrast and HDR performance is certainly much better on the Samsung - just depends how much you value that over the more consistent experience of the Gigabyte. The Gigabyte should be significantly cheaper, too.
Would you pick this neo g7 over the neo g8? I know the neo g9 240hz is 100% scanlines and most of the timr the neo g7 has none, panel variance
The Neo G8 has significant issues of that nature as well, which is why I'd avoid it.
@@PCMonitors i wish we had a 21x9 option that was not oled with g7/neo g7 motion.. very limited.. I had tested 2 57 neo g9 and they had gsync flicker (no vrr on osd option) but was very bright atleast 700nits 100% white screen.. such a bummer.. but 21x9 is the sweet spot.. I can get a neo g7 for 207 shipped but I don't like the agressive abl it has.. my 32 g7 holds 540 nits 100%... also 57 neo g9 does not experience any abl
Hi I would like to ask if the boot screen of Windows is also streched from low res on your Neo G7? For me the monitor shows 1440p120Hz but obviously streched form a 4:3 display... If switch to DP1.1 or HDMI1.4 the boot screen is in 2160p no streching but only 30Hz (as we know it reaches the limit of DP1.1 and HDMI1.4)
I'm not sure how the boot screen decides which resolution to use, but I've observed this sort of thing on various monitors and it isn't something to worry about. It just depends how resolutions are ordered and listed on the EDID of the screen and doesn't affect normal function when you're in Windows and the desired resolution and refresh rate is selected.
At half the price now of a Dell 32" curved OLED, would this still be a monitor worth considering?
Definitely worth considering, yes.
@@PCMonitors Thanks. Samsung is having a special deal here, so that's why the price is now so 'low'. If the curve wasn't there or at least not as strong, I would have already pulled the trigger, now I'm still hesitating. Good to know it still performs adequately at today's standards.
Thanks for the review..NOW I AM REALLY CONFUSED...THIS OR THE ALIENWARE QD OLED 😂
If prices are similar where you are, I'd go for the qd-oled all day anyday of the week
Is there any comparable monitor in terms of HDR performance from a company with better QC than Samsung? Current or upcoming.
No OLEDs, since I don't feel like getting a new $1000+ monitor every 2-3 years.
Assuming you'd like to stick with the '4K' resolution, I'd keep an eye out for the Acer X32 FP or ASUS PG32UQXE. Or if you're happy with a 27" screen, the Cooler Master Tempest GP27U. These are covered along with others in this thread - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/the-rise-of-mini-led-and-qd-oled/.
@@PCMonitors How much of a difference in actual content does going from ~500 zones to ~1000 make, in your opinion?
Zone count is only part of the equation. There are different panel types in this case and the dimming algorithm is also important. I'd expect more 'haloing' or 'blooming' (though still not an extreme amount of this, from early test data I've seen) but superior brightness output even where bright shades dominate. So the Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 is a unique product and as per the video title, gives "A Unique Experience".
I should also add the Odyssey Neo G7 I reviewed was a random retail sample and had no QC concerns of note. I appreciate this is just one sample, but people are often more vocal when it comes to complaining about issues vs. praising a product like this and it can give you a skewed idea of how many units actually have QC issues.
What do you thing about upgrade from old 32 Odyssey g7 2k to this 32 Odyssey g7 Neo? How much increace pickture quality?
Much more impressive HDR and if you get on with the curve (which is the same) it's probably worth giving it a try. The upgrade in resolution is also very nice in my view.
Have you reviewed the Neo g8 by any chance stuck between the two for ps5 some are saying g8 is brighter and responsive more compare to g7 ur thoughts ?
I don't think it's brighter, or not in a meaningful way for most people. It may or not not be marginally brighter, it's within sample tolerance from the results I've seen, and both models are bright enough even not set anywhere near maximum SDR brightness. The 120Hz performance is similar enough that you're unlikely to notice a difference there and the Neo G7 has a nicer screen surface in my view (lighter matte). The only real benefit of the Neo G8 in my book is its 240Hz capability, but that also comes with significant static 'interlace pattern artifacts'. This is not relevant on the PS5 as you're stuck at 120Hz and frankly the Neo G8 would be a waste of money over the G7. Further reading - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/samsung-odyssey-neo-g8-s32bg85-review-notes/.
Think I will go ahead with g7
how close to OLED this monitor is coming in your opinion?
i mean its a mini led monitor and so it has the advantage of not getting burn in! so i might consider it over an OLED even when i love the infinite contrast of Oled..
I draw some comparisons in the review, particularly with respect to HDR. Colour quality is nowhere close to OLED and pixel responsiveness is weaker. OLEDs have millions of dimming zones whereas this has 1196. This monitor can sustain higher brightness levels than OLED and as you state you don't have image retention or burn-in concerns. For some scenes the OLED would have an edge, there are other scenes where it would be difficult to notice much difference and others where the Samsung provides superior output due to its higher sustained brightness. And there's no directly comparable OLED on the market, so this remains a unique experience (hence the video title 😉 ).
@@PCMonitors ok thanks for the quick detailed answer, just curious what exactly do you mean with the better color quality on Oled? in what way? in terms of vibrancy too?
Part of it comes down to colour consistency, which is explored in the 'Colour reproduction' section of the review. I'd also recommend reading that section of the written review if you haven't already as it reinforces this concept and associated weaknesses - pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-odyssey-neo-g7-s32bg75/#Colour_reproduction. The weaknesses in colour consistency (saturation losses and dulling peripherally compared to the centre) plus the colour gamut being somewhat less impressive than 'competing' OLED models does indeed affect vibrancy. It isn't as if the Samsung appears 'washed out', as explored in the review, but there is still a difference in this respect.
I heard somewhere that if you use HDR it forces you to use VRR and you can't disable it, is that true?
No, that's incorrect.
@@PCMonitors thank you!
Some whitish greys have pink tint on them on my unit. Is that normal?
Try reducing the red colour channel slightly.
@@PCMonitors That does not seem to work, unfortunately. I can still see it on level 30 where the whole screen becomes blueish. It looks similar to chromatic aberration, where magenta can be seen on the edges and some bright colors, like the cheeks on a brightly lit face.
So will the 4k work with my ps5 not? You confused me when it said only for pc
Sorry if it wasn't clear in the video (always double check the written review if in doubt), but the "only for PC" bit would've been the 165Hz capability. The PS5 gets 4K at up to 120Hz with this one via HDMI 2.1.
@@PCMonitors thanks so much!! 🙏🏼 definitely getting this one
Hey I am able to get this monitor for about 800 dollars is it a good deal?
That's a good price for it, yes. $300 lower than the "as reviewed" price.
Is this a good Monitor for Office and ps5 Series x? Oled is better But all Models have Fans and Burn in Risk
Those consoles will give a very similar experience to what we showed using a PC (they're basically just mid-range AMD-based PCs) but limited to 120Hz. So yes, a nice contrast experience in particular for SDR and HDR. For office usage it's a nice size and resolution, but the curve is very subjective and potentially annoying for such uses. We'll shortly be reviewing a flat IPS alternative (Acer X32 FP) which could be more suited if you don't want a curve or value stronger colour vibrancy - pcmonitors.info/acer/acer-x32-fp-160hz-4k-ips-with-576-zone-mini-led-backlight/.
@@PCMonitors I currently have the Dell s3422dwg curved monitor and I like it very much. but since I no longer play on the pc, the 34-inch format is pointless. I only work on the pc for 20-30 minutes every day, otherwise the monitor is used to play games. I just ordered it from Amazon for €960. if it doesn't fit or the quality is bad, it goes back. I wanted it for darker games because games like Resident Evil or Dead Space don't look as good without local dimming.
Hi mate, I'd like to kow is it normal that when you enable Local Dimming in SDR, the GAMMA curve just go crazy to 2.5 even 2.7?
Yup, it definitely changes shade brightness and representation. But it's very content-dependent and depending on the gamma test you use (or what is actually being shown on the monitor at any given time) the gamma won't always be like that. You should notice visibility on Lagom's black level test is better than you would expect for a gamma of '2.5' or '2.7'. Local dimming on monitors is never good for accurate output, it definitely causes odd inconsistencies.
@@PCMonitors I really appreciate your detailed reply. A friend of mine once told me that it's better to turn Local Dimming OFF when creating color-critical works, I couldn't relate it then, thanks for your answer, now I know why.
@@PCMonitors More and more affordable miniLED monitors are coming out. I believe there are not much ppl familiar with these things (relation between Local Dimming ON in SDR & GAMMA) I know it's kinda a personal preference thing, but I want to know will you suggest non-creator to enable Local Dimming in SDR or not. (for those who only use their monitors for Gaming, Video watching, and Office work)
As per the review, I don't like using local dimming on the desktop due to clear inconsistencies - even for general usage, let alone creative purposes. This is typically the case and some models can be worse than others depending on the local dimming algorithm, but our experiences in that respect is always covered in reviews (including this one - 24:42).
@@PCMonitors My apologies, I should have watched the video again before I ask the question that is already mentioned in the video, thank you :))
This or Benq EX3210U? Mainly for gaming on PS5
Apples and oranges and depends on your own preferences and what you value in the experience. I'd highly recommend reading and watching both reviews or at least the conclusions. For HDR and general contrast, this Samsung is vastly better - if you're really itching to use HDR it would be a good choice I reckon. But the colour reproduction, flat screen (if you dislike a strong curve) and lighter screen surface that impedes the image less go in the BenQ's favour.
Have you seen any scanlines?
4:53.
@@PCMonitors Thanks
The ports are hard to see, read and access. The control buttons are badly designed, hard to navigate, too close to each other. I am coming from an Alienware 1440p 240hz gsync ultimate monitor 27 inches for comparison.
Ох столько всего наговорили.))Нужно ли это обычному пользователю)?
Q (translated): Oh, so much has been said.))Does the average user need this)?
A: If they want to have a really good grasp of what to expect from the monitor, yes. If they're happy to spend that much money on a product without having a deep understanding of its pros and cons, including some issues which may actually annoy them, then that's up to them.
@@PCMonitors Thanks a lot for the reply!🤝
can you please review the LG GQ950-B?
its 4K 160hz.
its gonna be cheaper, il get it.
No plans to. It's terrible for HDR compared to this. It has 64-zone edge lit local dimming and provides good brightness but terrible contrast. Save your money and get an M32U, or pay extra for the Neo G7 or X32 FP we're currently reviewing
@@PCMonitors thanks.
I've heard it's the best 4k gaming monitor, and HDR isn't my top of the list.
Is the G7 better at response time and gaming experience?
It offers good vibrancy and can give nice bursts of brightness - responsiveness is also good. If you don't much care for the HDR side of things you might like what it offers.
@@PCMonitors thank you for your time and info.
also iv'e researched into the x32 fp, because the Samsung build quality is very questionable, lot's of complaint.
the x32 fp is a FLOP because of technical issues, this is from the owner of x32:
"I got mine yesterday (latest firmware) , very disappointing monitor. HDR is a bad joke, blooming all over the place (low dimming zone count) dimming flickering. Not usable for any dark games or movies. And the price is a joke as well 1600€ here in Germany... 60hz latency is really bad too... I will send mine back. Also very clunky ui no usable software to switch dimming on or off.... Etc etc etc..."
lot's of x32 fp owners are disappointed..
i think il research some more, if not. il go GQ950 or maybe some 27 inch 4k monitor.
People are more vocal when complaining and more eager to share disappointment than praise things. Such is human psychology and that applies to both the X32 FP and Neo G7. I completely disagree that the X32 FP is a "flop" and they're actively improving its firmware to make it a bit more user friendly with respect to the OSD. The most comprehensive and useful resource for user feedback (positive and negative) is actually my own forum - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/some-thoughts-on-acer-x32-fp-local-dimming-and-screen-surface/. It offers superior vibrancy to the LG, a more balanced spectrum which some will find visually more comfortable and superior static contrast. And it's vastly superior for darker shade representation ('depth and atmosphere') under HDR or SDR using local dimming. The high refresh rate responsiveness is also strong - it's really a superior product in some respects to the LG, though it's still a monitor some will really like and others won't depending on preferences. US pricing is also much more attractive than its EU pricing. Either way, if you're not interested in HDR I think the LG is a decent offering for the price.
Curved sigh.
Just remember it's not noticeable for casual gamers
Monitors are highly subjective and grouping together 'casual gamers' is not wise. I am frequently contacted by 'casual gamers' and they all have different needs, wants and sensitivities. As a reviewer it's important to point out flaws and cover features that can be problematic to some. People are then free to make their own mind up about said 'feature' based on their own preferences and sensitivities.
@@PCMonitors hey a buddy of mines has a Neo g7 and want to trade for my Original G7 should I do it is it worth the upgrade ?
I think so, yes.
Everything about this panel would be perfectly acceptable… if it was flat.
So close, yet so far.