I was fortunate enough to have been able to visit the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome a few times with my boys and took them on a flight in a biplane that flew over the Hudson River Valley. This is a must for all of us who were interested in planes and early aviation.
This was at the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. I had not heard about Rhinebeck until you and a couple of other people mentioned it on here, thanks. I will have to put it on my list of pleaces to visit
When my family lived on Long Island we went to Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome many times. Easily my favorite WW1 airplane museum as a kid because they used to fly their aircraft in demos on Saturdays and do a light-hearted dogfight between Sir Percy Goodfellow and The Black Baron on Sundays. I guess they still do, I haven't been there in a while. On my last trip there I took a ride in their 1929 New Standard D-25 biplane. Definitely a great trip everyone should do at least once in their lives!
I did the same with my son when he was 12..It was great! He's 37 now and has 2 sons of his own which he plans on taking to Rhinebeck and taking that same ride ! (Hope he invites me ) lol
"The Nieuport 28 C.1, a French biplane fighter aircraft flown during World War I, was built by Nieuport and designed by Gustave Delage. Owing its lineage to the successful line of sesquiplane fighters that included the Nieuport 17, the Nieuport 28 continued a similar design philosophy of a lightweight and highly maneuverable aircraft.. By the time the Nieuport 28 was available, the SPAD XIII "...
What an era. Surprisingly fast !! I expected more of a kite like other airplanes of the era. This Nieuport had thin wings where if memory serves me right, reduced wind resistance but we’re prone to shedding the covering and even the lower wing itself in a power on dive. I can’t even imagine flying this in combat!!! Ricky backer flew this and scored a number of his kills in it. Eternally grateful for the opportunity to gaze on this marvelous part of aviation history. Thank you all!!
It is amazing how fast motorized airplanes advanced in just 10 years. After the French got to see the Wrights' propeller and ultralight engine design on their Paris visit....everything they had been struggling with came into place. Much of it based around the fortunate accident the Wright Flyer was damaged in cargo and had to be rebuilt and repaired in French shops. European designers had almost everything right...but they were still using paddle propellers and car or boat engines in 1903.
@@Malibu1515 yes. Spellchecker and no proof reading is an awful plight. It’s Eddie Rickenbacker of course. Thought everyone would know. Sorry if I made slight of that hero….did not mean to do that. God rest his soul.
@@STho205 Sad but true, warfare is a great accelerator of technology. The biggest problem in early aviation was developing powerful engines. You needed big boxy lightweight designs with a lot of lift just to get a plane and its pilot in the air with a 60-80 hp engine. By the end of the war you had the Hispano-Suiza engine with I think 220 hp and the American Liberty V12 that put out 400hp. By the end of WW1 the German Junkers aircraft co. was producing a low wing monoplane fighter that used corrugated metal shins instead of fabric, so you can see just how fast things had progressed in just 4 years.
Can you imagine what most boys in the trenches thought of this machine ? Remember they still had a cavalry and most of those boys grew up on farms or in the poor inner city and had never seen flying machines before . What an exciting time to be alive .
I have a piece of Lt. Quentin Roosevelt's crashed Nieuport 28 Number 14. It was given to me by my Grandpa who recovered it in 1918. My Grandpa was in the 32nd Div, 107th engineers company D. He built the first fence around Quentin's Grave. Its a piece of brass, probably from the gas tank. Grandpa fashioned it into a 'Crush-proof' for his wooden matchbox.
@@dancingtrout6719 Correct. The story goes he saw a formation of Germans and he headed of for them. He went above the clouds and was not seen until his plane came down. He was shot through the Head. Did your Grandpa talk about the war? What division, & company was he in?
@@stever4181 my grandfather was not in the war i mentioned him just because his age.. my family was in 3 wars though.. ww2 , vietnam,, gulf war....thanks for or story comment and Reply *******=======
@@dancingtrout6719 My family also were in 3 wars. WW1, Civil War, Revolutionary War. I was eligible for the draft in 1971 but did not have to go to Vietnam. My draft number was 300. Numbers 75 and less were drafted. Thank God I did not have to go. My Dad tried to enlist in Korea but when it came to the eye test they said take off your glasses and read the board. He couldn't. They then said if you lost your glasses you would never find your way back.
Indeed! Mikael is truly talented as a top display performer and stick and rudder pilot, as well as a craftsman doing the whole restoration himself (including this Nieuport). His flying repertoire includes planes like the Bleriot, Fokker Dr 1/ D VII, Me 109 G to name a few. Respect from Finland.
@@arisaarinen8752 Respect for Finland and the amazing resistance put up against the Russians in WW2 and what you are having to currently deal with during the current war in Ukraine. Peace
My mother's mother was a Biship-Billy Bishop is a relative! Billy flew the Nieuport in WW I ! When I was a captain on the B727-we spent the weekend there, and always got to watch a Great show. Owen Sound , ONT is where Billy is buried. Billy actually was a hero, and not many people know, Billy pinned the wings on his son , also a Spitfire pilot. They both witnessed a fast forward in aviation. Superbia !! GDW
Even with parachute... pilots still had to climb out and jump, or roll over. The first airplane with ejection seat was a special german nightfighter radar plane in late ww2.
@@williamvasilakis9619 this particular plane was featured in the Dawn Patrol, check out the history of the plane here; www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
@@williamvasilakis9619 Great movie. A remake of an earlier version. In fact, the last fighting scene over the target was primarily from that earlier version.
the british felt that providing parachutes would encourage the pilot to abandon an otherwise saveable air craft LOL gotta love the british.. " we dont care if the pilots die. the planes are what we care about"
My great Uncle flew these in the 95th aero " kicking ass" squadron in ww1 he would have loved to see this.. he once held the guiness record for the oldest licensed pilot in the USA ( decades ago)
My coworker Spike worked at Upham Nursery until the mid 1960's after having endured WW I Imperial German gas and in 5hat day there was no VA nor promised WW I Bonus.............
5:42 I love the mind game that has to go on to get these engines started. I’m still amazed at the number of cylinders they have that must work in perfect fraction of a second synchronization. Marvelous!
@@firebird77clonefirebird89 Reminding the viewers that these rotary engines had a stationary crankshaft with the prop connected to the rotating radial block. Since these engines originally used Castor oil as a lubricant, the pilots could contract the trots if they inhaled too much of the exhaust!-John in Texas
@@firebird77clonefirebird89 the spark plugs themselves act as as the distributor points... there are no spark plug wires at all. Basically there is just a magneto or dual mag mounted on the engine stationary and it arcs to the spark plug at the right point in the cycle. all the cylinders fire at the same point...
Wow! I thought it was a big RC plane at first, it's smaller than I thought, also it's a LOT louder than I thought it would be and quite a bit faster. I'm surprised they would risk such a jewel! I had never seen one ground turned that way but it makes sense. Got to be a thrill.
There meant to be flown to great a history to become a hanger queen. Yes it's sad when we lose these great aircraft but that is part of the mystic. You never know when it's your time.
@@allangillis2033 It's actually an original, restored. Is the only airworthy example. You can read about it here: www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
At 10:43, kind of eerie to see the Nieuport fly overhead and in the background of the sky beyond, at 30,000 feet, a jet airliner with 120 passengers flying at 550 MPH.
I had a 5/8-Scale Nieuport 17 Replica. It was really fun to fly. It had a bigger rudder which turned out to be the primary flying control. If you didn't watch the ball, the ailerons lost grip and the only way to break the incipient spin was to apply lots of rudder. I had many dogfights patrolling the Canadian/US border.:)
The Nieuport 28 was designed by Gustave Delage, built by French aircraft company Nieuport. First flight June1917. The USA was the main user of this machine, and becoming the first biplane to see active service with American squadrons starting in March 1918. Wish I had one!
Is this clip from Rhinebeck New York? I've been there a couple of times it's a fantastic experience. I love vintage aircraft. I built several, radio control models, pretty large ones. I enjoy flying them, and they look great in the air. Thank you for this post. Today is December 9th 2022
It is from the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. Kudos to you for building radio control models. You can read more about this plane here: www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
But it isn't all or nothing, it's a very well thought out clockwork timing of the spark distribution that replicates turning multiples of 3, 6 or 8 plugs off, but not the same plugs on each revolution. What you're thinking of is the LeRhone and early Gnome Delta and Lambda engines with their ignition "coup" or ignition cutting which cuts off all the sparkplugs. The LeRhones had a simple carburetor with a coarse metering of fuel and a partial closing of the carb's throat so with some adjustment the LeRhone could be set to a "tickover" running while warming up with all cylinders firing.
Visit the American Heritage Museum which has this plane and some other planes from before and after WW1, or visit another museum near you that has planes like this
Just viewed this not long after re-reading my original copy of Eddie Rickenbacker's book Fighting the Flying Circus from 1919. The 28 was the plane he flew first before the Spad. This is a fantastic book, a great read even today. Really puts you in the cockpit and gives you a feel for what it was like. One thing they did not want to be was "late to the party" their slang for a dogfight.
Eddie’s book was excellent. If you can find them, Jimmy Hall wrote 2 great books on his time in WW1. The first is called Kitchener’s Mob, about his time in the infantry. The second when he became a pilot, High Adventure: A Narrative of Air Fighting in France. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Norman_Hall
It may have not been the best, but I think the Nieuport 28 is probably the most elegant of all WW1 fighters. What a beautiful airplane, and Mikael handles it like an artist!
This was actually at the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. I only heard about Rhinebeck from viewers in the comment section after posting this video, and it does sound truly great. I hope to make it out there sometime in the not too distant future. Although the American Heritage Museum is a great place to visit, it is not focused on planes as much as Rhinebeck. It also has a very nice collection of cars and a pretty extensive collection of tanks.
@@danam0228 Thank You. I know your vid was from AHM. Old Rhinebeck is/was a great place. Cole Palin (long gone RIP) had a great flying museum as well as static displays including some stuff built for films.
These were followed by the SPAD XIII in early April, 1918. My grandfather was a crew chief for the 94th Aero Squadron, USAAS during this period. By American they mean an AC used to equip US forces. In this case designed and built in France.
They had a reproduction SPAD VII from 1916 at the American Heritage Museum the same day and flew just before the Nieuport 28 did. I recorded it, bit it came out bad
@@gastonlefier3144 HI. Over here we have a bit of a misconception that during the Great War the USA acted as great producer of war machinery and munitions. In fact the USA was woefully unprepared for the conflict, for a number of political reasons. A positive came out off this as the then assistant Secretary of the Navy saw this lack of preparation and when war loomed again he, FDR, prepared the country to be ready to fight a global conflict
@@Dog.soldier1950 Actually at the beginning of WWII we were ill equipped when it came to aircraft. We did react quickly as in the case of the P51 but going in we weren't much of a threat in the air.
That was mesmerising. and for the first time I was actually able to understand the sound of the engine... especially in the air. Just fantastic. Kudos Kudos Kudos to the people who keep it flying.
So COOL, SGT. ANDERSON, USAF 1987-1992. They are the coolest planes ever-took a ton courage to fly them (almost sounds like a hit & miss engine of the time).
Thank you for your service. My son joined the ANG last fall and goes to BMT this summer. These planes are very cool. Is unbelievable the changes that occurred in late 1800s and early 1900s. Even moreso how we went from flying such basic machinery to being on the moon within decades.
masterful flying when you consider there's no throttle..... either full blast or nothing..... seems they have a gentle interrupter which gives a sort of idle..? also the gyroscopic action of the engine giving the pilot more to worry about.... bloody magic Mate!
It has a Blip Switch that cuts all ignition but also, instead of a Throttle an Ignition Modulator that had 4 Settings, 1 in 4, 2 in 4, 3 in 4 and 4 in 4 Ignitions, meaning that at idle only every 4th Cylinder would fire, with intermediate steps until it would ignite all cylinders all the time. Of course, this isn't a throttle, meaning if only every 4th Cylinder had Ignition, the other 3 would still always get a full charge of Air and Fuel, meaning it had no Effect on Fuel Consumption and was purely for Landing and Taxiing.
Having an Actual Throttled Carburettor wasn't possible as these were Lubricated like 2 Strokes, with Oil mixed in the Fuel. No Throttle = No Lubrication. Automatic Lubricators weren't reliable at that point. The German Oberursel Engines at first used an even weirder/worse Throttling Type by having a Carburettor that would have Air and Fuel in seperated Channels, basically like a comically oversized Idle Circuit for the Fuel and a simple Throttle for the Air. Reducing Throttle only decreased the incoming Air but Fuel had to be reduced/leaned manually and with a seperate Control. In Flight this proved to be so impractical, and convoluted to use that at some point in 1917 they switched to conventional Carburettors but Pilots were forbidden from reducing throttle to below about 75% Power, with a Gate installed on the Throttle Levers to make accidental Throttle Reduction impossible. This did however allow for low Idle Speeds on the Ground without an Ignition as complicated as on the Nieuport.
Wow, this brought back memories of my visit to Rhinebeck back in the 90s when I lived in upstate NY. I remember Cole Palin checking things out. Gotta get up there again!
Interesting fact: this plane had a ROTARY Engine. This is the first generation (or two, depending how you count generations) of Radial Engines! Due to the metallurgy of the time, they couldn't prevent the metals from getting too hot and weakening in an air-cooled engine if it was mounted in what we think of the standard way to mount engines. So, they bolted the engine's crankcase to the propeller and bolted the crankshaft to the firewall. At about 5:40 you can see the engine rotated as the ground crew "hand over the engine one and a half times" or "pull three and a half blades" before trying to start the engine. You can also see why so many early ground crew didn't always have all of their fingers, and in some cases missing an entire hand! This is also why a few engines were more popular with people because you started them by flipping them in the opposite direction to start them! The magneto would fire just before "top dead center" of whatever cylinder it was and give just enough "ummph" to get the next cylinder to fire. Then as the engine started, the ignition timing shifted to give the engine maximum performance.
This is a rotary engine and not your 'common' radial. The cylinders and crankcase rotate around the crankshaft. This created an incredible gyroscopic effect and resulting rudder corrections. The Gnome engine generated over 150 hp.
i like how the ground crew holds the wing to make it turn. would a rotary run backwards if you turned it the wrong way to start it? what exactly causes the prop to appear in stop motion when filming it?
I don't think much of anything would happen if you turn the prop the wrong way except maybe rip your arms off if it manages to start. As for the prop appearing to stop or even go backwards, that has to do with the frame rate per second ("FPS") that the action is caught at, something I have to learn about when recording again. I might have to get a professional camera to adjust the FPS
4 stroke engines won’t run backwards, though as mentioned, they might do rude surprising things if fuel/air meets spark. 2 stroke engines, like the ones we used in models as a kid, WILL start backwards. Then you throw a rag into the prop to try again 😂 But yeah, I really like the ground crew assisted “U turns” / dance spin they did on the airfield.
Wow!! Beautiful airplane, hope to see it flying in a near future. Great video!! The sound is incredible... What cellphone or video camera was used to record this jewel?
Excellent quality video! But I am not sure why it is listed as American? Nieuport was a French designed and made aeroplane which came out in 1917. Chris B.
It is listed as American because it was part of the American armed forces. You can read up on iit more here: www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
@@robertsklenka5823 That's how they were painted in WW1. It has the Hat in the ring emblem of the 94th Aero Squadron, based in France in 1918, who flew Nieuport 28 and Spad aircraft.
War moves progress along pretty quickly. Read an interesting fact about the Avro Vulcan - first flown only 11 years after the first flight if the Lancaster.
Magnificent! Still flying, and must be pushing 110 years old at this stage. Lovely job by the restorer/pilot. Not forgetting the ground crew - I love that 'human-assisted u-turn at 7:30! I guess that's how they did it back in WW1 as well. I remember 'flying' the good old Nieup 28 in Red Baron 3D, it was my favourite plane in that game. Anyone else remember that game? It wonderfully evoked those days when aviation was simple: "Stick go forward, houses get big. Stick go back, houses get small." 🤣 Anyway, it's really something to finally see one of them for real, thank you so much for letting us see this slice of history. This video is probably the closest I'll ever get to one of these amazing planes.
You're welcome. I first put this out as easy way to share with my kids who did not want to go with me on this day. You can read about it's story at the museum web site. Might need to turn phone sideways to be able to read it www.americanheritagemuseum.org/aircrafts/nieuport-28/
Does the Nieuport 28 have a throttle or just a cut out switch. The plane has no throttle and once started, the Gnome rotary engine runs on full all the time. The pilot controlled the plane's speed by turning off and on individual or groups of cylinders.
@@danam0228 Yes I did didn't I. It is very interesting that they didn't have a throttle. Untill I researched it I didn't know they could turn off individual cylinders!! I thought the turned them all off at once.
Beautiful aircraft, and AWESOME work by Mr. Carlson in the restoration. Speaking as a Civil War reenactor, there is a 1000% chance I would show up to fly with leather trench coat and leather flight cap. I simply wouldn't be able to help myself 🤣
That is one incredibly brave and talented pilot. I can't imagine flying that death trap back in the old days. The material science and technology was bleeding edge back then. I'm not a safety Sally but wow lots of skill and fairly dangerous.
I understand why you might think of this and many of the airplanes of WWI that way, but it's somewhat of an exaggeration. Casualties incurred in these airplanes were mostly from combat and inadequate training. They were simple and quite sturdy, even though they may not look so to the uninitiated. Sure, as with any airplane and other powerful devices, there were accidents, some of them fatal, but not as many as you might imagine. Yes, the early airplanes were primitive compared to what came later, but most of them fly sedately and reliably, including this beautiful Niewport 28 as you can see. No one today would unduly risk their lives flying them in a show if this were not so. They are not inherently dangerous, or "deathtraps." Of course, if it adds to your enjoyment to think of them that way when seeing them fly, then by all means, think of them as you wish.
The pilot is the same person who restored the plane, so he felt pretty confident flying it I'm sure. He has restored and flown several other aircraft. You can read about him here: aerodrome.se/?page_id=71
@@Glicksman1 … Thank you. “Deathtrap” … come on. As a baby boomer, younger people seem to find a fear with anything. They can’t travel without guaranteed accommodations and reservations, every step of the way. This is a biplane and it can cruise for a long time to find a landing location for a safe landing at a fairly slow speed.
@@robkunkel8833 I'm with you about the airplanes, but I'll remain neutral regarding the generational stuff. I don't like to generalize. Some, maybe many of today's kids are alright. Give them time to become people. However, I do think that those few of us who were a part of in the counterculture who were in our 20s in the mid - 1960s are the greatest generation for many reasons, too many to get into here. I had a good friend named Kunkel back then.
@@robkunkel8833 I kind of like the guaranteed accommodations given current prices of flights lol. Would prefer to fly in an open cockpit though if they reduced the price enough and let me take over the controls from time to time
Beautiful plane. It was sort of a departure in design from the earlier sesqui wing Nieuports. Once the teething issues were worked out of the wing design, it became a rather effective dog fighter. Fast and maneuverable, it could fly rings around the somewhat clunky Spad XIII. In fact, many Nieuport 28 planes lived on as front line fighters with several countries into the 1920s, including the US. A few were converted into racing planes, and several were used in old Hollywood films like "Dawn Patrol".
@@wulfheard Per the muse7ms website this N.28 was featured in a number of significant aviation films including Hells Angels (1930) and The Dawn Patrol (1930 & 1938) 😊
Thanks to Cole Palen for rescuing all those planes from Roosevelt field so many years ago. Old Rhinebeck field is an American TREASURE. Original aircraft, NOT reproductions!
This was actually at the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. Have been hearing a lot about Rhinebeck since posting this video and plan on going there sometime
@@danam0228 Yes, I recognized that this wasn't the Rhinebeck field, have been there many times in past years. Actually saw Cole Palen fly some and saw his fine DVII run and fly with its original engine which was a treat. Seeing it start by cranking the magneto was a particularly great sight. The Nieuport 28 to me was the prettiest of the WW1 planes but I give a nod to the SPAD as being the most mechanically advanced.
My great uncle Jim was a mechanic in the American army air corps at Orly field near Paris during WW1. He said if a pilot didn’t want to fly, he’d kick holes in the fabric on his plane.
I remember a picture in Eddie Rickenbaker's autobiography of him standing next to a chunk of wing from his Nieuport fighter that had shed its skin. He did not look pleased. He was happier in a Spad.
Interesting point was that the 94th was the only squadron in the group that was pleased to switch over to SPADS. Just finished reading Harold Hartneys book, "Up and At 'Em" He was the 1st pursuit group's commanding officer at he was saying that the other squadrons preferred the Nieuport over the SPAD as the thing flew "like a truck" and the motor was far less reliable whereas they had modified the rotary engine in the Nieuport and it was far more reliable. According to him, if you knew not to dive past a certain rate , you didn't shed the fabric as Eddie found out to his chagrin.
my great uncle knew him and thought he was a pretentious prat who only got where he was because he was a generals driver who fast tracked him through flight training and gave his squadron the best gear. my uncles squadron didnt even get guns for their spad 28s when they were first delivered.. they flew patrols UN ARMED..
@@basementdustproductions1069 it was a great day. Wish I had taken better video of SPAD VII to share with people and took video of Bob and Mikael's talk after the flight of the Nieuport 28. Their talk was great
I’ve flown in a biplane 4 or 5 times. The whistle of the guy wires is awesome. The pilot asked if I was OK for some fun. I gave him the thumbs up and he did a few barrel rolls. My wife was screaming. Ha!
My first real " big book" i read when i was like i dont 5 , 6? No Parachute by a WWI pilot named Arthur Gould Lee. He flew Pups for RAF, then moved into a camel. Book is out of print but you can still find it. Fantastic read.
Is this Nieuport XXVIII (or would "Nieuport 28" be the correct form?), the type of aeroplane that Captain Eddie Rickenbacker flew? Or was his a SPAD XIII? If he had piloted a Nieuport 28, was this one here the actual aircraft the U.S. Expaeditionary Forces had assigned to him?
Rickenbacker did fly a N28, but not this one. This one was built in 1918. You can read more about it at the below link. It is the only airworthy example in existence. www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
@@danam0228 , thank you thrice: 1) for the information, 2) for your prompt response, and 3) for the heart ❤️. He had flown in combat the SPAD XIII, too, right?
Seeing this makes me a little bummed out that I didn't get to see Rhinebeck aerodrome's Fokker D.VIII fly. It just did a few taxi runs cause they didn't like how it was running, but man hearing a rotary is like nothing else
Wow, that was absolutely great! The only thing I'd have done differently is cut the first third of the video off- cuz we're sitting here waiting, you know.
@@danam0228 sauf erreur de ma part, il me semble bien que c’est un moteur rotatif Gnome type n9 à l’origine. (J’ai le Nieuport 17 en modèle réduit 😉) Donc tout le moteur tourne. So , yes « the engins spins as Well as the propeller »
@@danam0228 Thank you I wish I could say I met him, but he passed before I could have. My Mother God rest her soul spoke so proudly of his adventures as a pilot even here in the USA.
You can see an example of a M1917 in the background at the beginning of this video to right of the SPAD VII. It was actually built here in the US under permission from Renault, and was featured in a separate show later in the day.
Nice job! Excellent video and sound... even if you missed a bit. Makes your appreciate how hard these were to fly... look at all those tall tree in the way.
No problem. My pleasure. I posted it just to share with family and friends. Same with other stuff I have posted. Never exprcted so many people to watch tjid onr. I myslef have watched it about a dozen times lol
Le Rhone engine can you imagine the right pedal required to keep this thing flying straight?? Plus valves spewing castor oil in your face the entire flight ....incredible ball-bearings these pilots had.
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I was fortunate enough to have been able to visit the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome a few times with my boys and took them on a flight in a biplane that flew over the Hudson River Valley. This is a must for all of us who were interested in planes and early aviation.
This was at the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. I had not heard about Rhinebeck until you and a couple of other people mentioned it on here, thanks. I will have to put it on my list of pleaces to visit
When my family lived on Long Island we went to Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome many times. Easily my favorite WW1 airplane museum as a kid because they used to fly their aircraft in demos on Saturdays and do a light-hearted dogfight between Sir Percy Goodfellow and The Black Baron on Sundays. I guess they still do, I haven't been there in a while. On my last trip there I took a ride in their 1929 New Standard D-25 biplane. Definitely a great trip everyone should do at least once in their lives!
I've done that also, great fun, with leather helmet!
I have also been to Rhinebeck a couple of timesto see the airshows.
I did the same with my son when he was 12..It was great! He's 37 now and has 2 sons of his own which he plans on taking to Rhinebeck and taking that same ride ! (Hope he invites me ) lol
"The Nieuport 28 C.1, a French biplane fighter aircraft flown during World War I, was built by Nieuport and designed by Gustave Delage. Owing its lineage to the successful line of sesquiplane fighters that included the Nieuport 17, the Nieuport 28 continued a similar design philosophy of a lightweight and highly maneuverable aircraft.. By the time the Nieuport 28 was available, the SPAD XIII "...
What an era. Surprisingly fast !! I expected more of a kite like other airplanes of the era. This Nieuport had thin wings where if memory serves me right, reduced wind resistance but we’re prone to shedding the covering and even the lower wing itself in a power on dive. I can’t even imagine flying this in combat!!! Ricky backer flew this and scored a number of his kills in it. Eternally grateful for the opportunity to gaze on this marvelous part of aviation history. Thank you all!!
It is amazing how fast motorized airplanes advanced in just 10 years.
After the French got to see the Wrights' propeller and ultralight engine design on their Paris visit....everything they had been struggling with came into place. Much of it based around the fortunate accident the Wright Flyer was damaged in cargo and had to be rebuilt and repaired in French shops.
European designers had almost everything right...but they were still using paddle propellers and car or boat engines in 1903.
Ricky backer😂😂
@@Malibu1515 yes. Spellchecker and no proof reading is an awful plight. It’s Eddie Rickenbacker of course. Thought everyone would know. Sorry if I made slight of that hero….did not mean to do that. God rest his soul.
@@STho205 Sad but true, warfare is a great accelerator of technology. The biggest problem in early aviation was developing powerful engines. You needed big boxy lightweight designs with a lot of lift just to get a plane and its pilot in the air with a 60-80 hp engine. By the end of the war you had the Hispano-Suiza engine with I think 220 hp and the American Liberty V12 that put out 400hp. By the end of WW1 the German Junkers aircraft co. was producing a low wing monoplane fighter that used corrugated metal shins instead of fabric, so you can see just how fast things had progressed in just 4 years.
Can you imagine what most boys in the trenches thought of this machine ? Remember they still had a cavalry and most of those boys grew up on farms or in the poor inner city and had never seen flying machines before . What an exciting time to be alive .
I have a piece of Lt. Quentin Roosevelt's crashed Nieuport 28 Number 14. It was given to me by my Grandpa who recovered it in 1918. My Grandpa was in the 32nd Div, 107th engineers company D. He built the first fence around Quentin's Grave. Its a piece of brass, probably from the gas tank. Grandpa fashioned it into a 'Crush-proof' for his wooden matchbox.
my grampa was 23 in 1918 in europe.. teddies son i guess he was shot while flying fighting
@@dancingtrout6719 Correct. The story goes he saw a formation of Germans and he headed of for them. He went above the clouds and was not seen until his plane came down. He was shot through the Head.
Did your Grandpa talk about the war? What division, & company was he in?
@@stever4181 my grandfather was not in the war i mentioned him just because his age.. my family was in 3 wars though.. ww2 , vietnam,, gulf war....thanks for or story comment and Reply *******=======
@@dancingtrout6719 My family also were in 3 wars. WW1, Civil War, Revolutionary War. I was eligible for the draft in 1971 but did not have to go to Vietnam. My draft number was 300. Numbers 75 and less were drafted. Thank God I did not have to go. My Dad tried to enlist in Korea but when it came to the eye test they said take off your glasses and read the board. He couldn't. They then said if you lost your glasses you would never find your way back.
@@stever4181 awesome*****=====
Mikael Carlson is a legend - what a talented pilot! Impressive work by those that restored this beauty!
Mikael restored it
Indeed! Mikael is truly talented as a top display performer and stick and rudder pilot, as well as a craftsman doing the whole restoration himself (including this Nieuport). His flying repertoire includes planes like the Bleriot, Fokker Dr 1/ D VII, Me 109 G to name a few. Respect from Finland.
@@arisaarinen8752 Respect for Finland and the amazing resistance put up against the Russians in WW2 and what you are having to currently deal with during the current war in Ukraine. Peace
@@danam0228 Thank you for your kind words, the effort by the Ukraine warriors is indeed very similar to ours during that period. Peace mate.
My mother's mother was a Biship-Billy Bishop is a relative! Billy flew the Nieuport in WW I ! When I was a captain on the B727-we spent the weekend there, and always got to watch a Great show. Owen Sound , ONT is where Billy is buried. Billy actually was a hero, and not many people know, Billy pinned the wings on his son , also a Spitfire pilot. They both witnessed a fast forward in aviation. Superbia !! GDW
he flew 11s and 17s not 28s but very cool story!
His son Wm. Arthur liked to joke that between him and the "Old Man" they shot down 73 German planes.
The airman of that era must have had balls of steel flying these machines in combat, especially with no parachute.
David, I completely agree. Reminds me of The Dawn Patrol with Errol Flynn.
Even with parachute... pilots still had to climb out and jump, or roll over.
The first airplane with ejection seat was a special german nightfighter radar plane in late ww2.
@@williamvasilakis9619 this particular plane was featured in the Dawn Patrol, check out the history of the plane here;
www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
@@williamvasilakis9619 Great movie. A remake of an earlier version. In fact, the last fighting scene over the target was primarily from that earlier version.
the british felt that providing parachutes would encourage the pilot to abandon an otherwise saveable air craft LOL
gotta love the british.. " we dont care if the pilots die. the planes are what we care about"
My great Uncle flew these in the 95th aero " kicking ass" squadron in ww1
he would have loved to see this..
he once held the guiness record for the oldest licensed pilot in the USA ( decades ago)
WW I VETS...........
My coworker Spike worked at Upham Nursery until the mid 1960's after having endured WW I Imperial German gas and in 5hat day there was no VA nor promised WW I Bonus.............
one of my favorite planes, i built a plastic one and a balsa wood model of it when i was young.
5:42 I love the mind game that has to go on to get these engines started. I’m still amazed at the number of cylinders they have that must work in perfect fraction of a second synchronization. Marvelous!
Mechanically times with mmagnetos, I expect.
If the internal combustion engine where invented today. It would heralded as the technological breakthrough of the 21st century.
@@firebird77clonefirebird89 Reminding the viewers that these rotary engines had a stationary crankshaft with the prop connected to the rotating radial block. Since these engines originally used Castor oil as a lubricant, the pilots could contract the trots if they inhaled too much of the exhaust!-John in Texas
@@JohnWaldron-cm7ce crazy to think of those cylinders and all of their associated hardware turning at around 2000 rpm.
@@firebird77clonefirebird89 the spark plugs themselves act as as the distributor points... there are no spark plug wires at all. Basically there is just a magneto or dual mag mounted on the engine stationary and it arcs to the spark plug at the right point in the cycle. all the cylinders fire at the same point...
Wow! I thought it was a big RC plane at first, it's smaller than I thought, also it's a LOT louder than I thought it would be and quite a bit faster. I'm surprised they would risk such a jewel! I had never seen one ground turned that way but it makes sense. Got to be a thrill.
There meant to be flown to great a history to become a hanger queen. Yes it's sad when we lose these great aircraft but that is part of the mystic. You never know when it's your time.
It's also not an original, but it's a great replica. I don't think any of the surviving 5 originals fly anymore.
@@allangillis2033 It's actually an original, restored. Is the only airworthy example. You can read about it here:
www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
Wow!Thumbs up to the comment!
Amazing flight. The pilot's proper use of the rudder was refreshing and very effective. Well done, thanks for posting.
At 10:43, kind of eerie to see the Nieuport fly overhead and in the background of the sky beyond, at 30,000 feet, a jet airliner with 120 passengers flying at 550 MPH.
wow, good eye.
Simply Wonderful. Awesome engine sound. Thanks for showing us this absolute gem.
The Neuport 28 was one of my dad's favorite WWI airplanes, mine is the Neuport 17.
What a SWEET, SWEET SOUND that rotary engine makes.
My grandfather was in WW1 and thank you for putting this together
My pleasure. Was easy peasy 😊
how old are you ..? 106..?
Wow what an absolute privilege to see that in action, never mind being the pilot!!
The Nieuport to me among the most beautiful WW1 aircraft!
I agree!👍🇺🇸
SPAD was better.
@@ggousier Sopwith Camel had more kills than the Spad.
@@johnarnold893 More kills and more loss maybe too ?
Thanks for loading this! What a piece of history! Especially great to hear that engine! ✈🛩😀👍
cringe
I had a 5/8-Scale Nieuport 17 Replica. It was really fun to fly. It had a bigger rudder which turned out to be the primary flying control. If you didn't watch the ball, the ailerons lost grip and the only way to break the incipient spin was to apply lots of rudder. I had many dogfights patrolling the Canadian/US border.:)
The Nieuport 28 was designed by Gustave Delage, built by French aircraft company Nieuport. First flight June1917. The USA was the main user of this machine, and becoming the first biplane to see active service with American squadrons starting in March 1918. Wish I had one!
Is this clip from Rhinebeck New York? I've been there a couple of times it's a fantastic experience. I love vintage aircraft. I built several, radio control models, pretty large ones. I enjoy flying them, and they look great in the air. Thank you for this post. Today is December 9th 2022
It is from the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. Kudos to you for building radio control models. You can read more about this plane here:
www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
Whoever recorded this did an EXCELLENT job with the sound, excellent.
Really? I just used my phone
Nice landing with all or nothing engine. Sounds fabulous.Great flying. Great record. Thanks.
But it isn't all or nothing, it's a very well thought out clockwork timing of the spark distribution that replicates turning multiples of 3, 6 or 8 plugs off, but not the same plugs on each revolution. What you're thinking of is the LeRhone and early Gnome Delta and Lambda engines with their ignition "coup" or ignition cutting which cuts off all the sparkplugs. The LeRhones had a simple carburetor with a coarse metering of fuel and a partial closing of the carb's throat so with some adjustment the LeRhone could be set to a "tickover" running while warming up with all cylinders firing.
Absolutely beautiful! Brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for restoring such wonderful aircraft history.
Visit the American Heritage Museum which has this plane and some other planes from before and after WW1, or visit another museum near you that has planes like this
Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Lots of vids here. And worth a visit. Also Golden Age Air Museum in Pennsylvania.
Just viewed this not long after re-reading my original copy of Eddie Rickenbacker's book Fighting the Flying Circus from 1919. The 28 was the plane he flew first before the Spad. This is a fantastic book, a great read even today. Really puts you in the cockpit and gives you a feel for what it was like. One thing they did not want to be was "late to the party" their slang for a dogfight.
Eddie’s book was excellent. If you can find them, Jimmy Hall wrote 2 great books on his time in WW1. The first is called Kitchener’s Mob, about his time in the infantry. The second when he became a pilot, High Adventure: A Narrative of Air Fighting in France. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Norman_Hall
It may have not been the best, but I think the Nieuport 28 is probably the most elegant of all WW1 fighters.
What a beautiful airplane, and Mikael handles it like an artist!
Congratulations to the pilot fantastic airmanship and engine management a real pleasure to watch a craftsman at work
I fondly remember Old Rhinebeck and Cole Palin. We had a program signed by the old "Black Baron" himself. What a great place and great memories.
This was actually at the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. I only heard about Rhinebeck from viewers in the comment section after posting this video, and it does sound truly great. I hope to make it out there sometime in the not too distant future. Although the American Heritage Museum is a great place to visit, it is not focused on planes as much as Rhinebeck. It also has a very nice collection of cars and a pretty extensive collection of tanks.
@@danam0228 Thank You. I know your vid was from AHM. Old Rhinebeck is/was a great place. Cole Palin (long gone RIP) had a great flying museum as well as static displays including some stuff built for films.
Can't get enough of this stuff. Thanks for posting!
Like being at the airshow!
Fantastic video, thank you for sharing.
These were followed by the SPAD XIII in early April, 1918. My grandfather was a crew chief for the 94th Aero Squadron, USAAS during this period. By American they mean an AC used to equip US forces. In this case designed and built in France.
and built by Bréguet
They had a reproduction SPAD VII from 1916 at the American Heritage Museum the same day and flew just before the Nieuport 28 did. I recorded it, bit it came out bad
I am French but I understood that the title of the video meant "used by" and not "created by" or "American"!
@@gastonlefier3144 HI. Over here we have a bit of a misconception that during the Great War the USA acted as great producer of war machinery and munitions. In fact the USA was woefully unprepared for the conflict, for a number of political reasons. A positive came out off this as the then assistant Secretary of the Navy saw this lack of preparation and when war loomed again he, FDR, prepared the country to be ready to fight a global conflict
@@Dog.soldier1950 Actually at the beginning of WWII we were ill equipped when it came to aircraft. We did react quickly as in the case of the P51 but going in we weren't much of a threat in the air.
Beautiful, simply beautiful. Thank you.
That was mesmerising. and for the first time I was actually able to understand the sound of the engine... especially in the air.
Just fantastic. Kudos Kudos Kudos to the people who keep it flying.
I was 3-years old when my Dad took me up in one of those. He let me crawl out on the wing and sit between the struts. I'll never forget it!!
EEhhhh...!
Beautiful!
Thanks for posting!
Such a good design that it still flies 100 years later
With original engine no less
@@danam0228 have any changes been made to the engine, any replacements?
@@TeenWithACarrotIDKyes of course, and now it’s called SNECMA and fitted on Airbus aircraft.😉
So COOL, SGT. ANDERSON, USAF 1987-1992. They are the coolest planes ever-took a ton courage to fly them (almost sounds like a hit & miss engine of the time).
Thank you for your service. My son joined the ANG last fall and goes to BMT this summer. These planes are very cool. Is unbelievable the changes that occurred in late 1800s and early 1900s. Even moreso how we went from flying such basic machinery to being on the moon within decades.
masterful flying when you consider there's no throttle..... either full blast or nothing..... seems they have a gentle interrupter which gives a sort of idle..? also the gyroscopic action of the engine giving the pilot more to worry about.... bloody magic Mate!
It has a Blip Switch that cuts all ignition but also, instead of a Throttle an Ignition Modulator that had 4 Settings, 1 in 4, 2 in 4, 3 in 4 and 4 in 4 Ignitions, meaning that at idle only every 4th Cylinder would fire, with intermediate steps until it would ignite all cylinders all the time.
Of course, this isn't a throttle, meaning if only every 4th Cylinder had Ignition, the other 3 would still always get a full charge of Air and Fuel, meaning it had no Effect on Fuel Consumption and was purely for Landing and Taxiing.
Having an Actual Throttled Carburettor wasn't possible as these were Lubricated like 2 Strokes, with Oil mixed in the Fuel. No Throttle = No Lubrication. Automatic Lubricators weren't reliable at that point.
The German Oberursel Engines at first used an even weirder/worse Throttling Type by having a Carburettor that would have Air and Fuel in seperated Channels, basically like a comically oversized Idle Circuit for the Fuel and a simple Throttle for the Air.
Reducing Throttle only decreased the incoming Air but Fuel had to be reduced/leaned manually and with a seperate Control. In Flight this proved to be so impractical, and convoluted to use that at some point in 1917 they switched to conventional Carburettors but Pilots were forbidden from reducing throttle to below about 75% Power, with a Gate installed on the Throttle Levers to make accidental Throttle Reduction impossible.
This did however allow for low Idle Speeds on the Ground without an Ignition as complicated as on the Nieuport.
@@MyFabian94 wow, thanks!
its literally the magneto kill switch. they "blip" the ignition on and off..
Wow, this brought back memories of my visit to Rhinebeck back in the 90s when I lived in upstate NY. I remember Cole Palin checking things out. Gotta get up there again!
I was there to witness this flight. They also have amazing exhibits of aircraft, cars, tanks and much more!
09:35 - loved how the butterfly cruised into the frame...the butterfly factor!
Perfectly timed to see this as I'm reading Eddie Rickenbacker's "Fighting the Flying Circus" gives me a great visual
Interesting fact: this plane had a ROTARY Engine. This is the first generation (or two, depending how you count generations) of Radial Engines!
Due to the metallurgy of the time, they couldn't prevent the metals from getting too hot and weakening in an air-cooled engine if it was mounted in what we think of the standard way to mount engines.
So, they bolted the engine's crankcase to the propeller and bolted the crankshaft to the firewall. At about 5:40 you can see the engine rotated as the ground crew "hand over the engine one and a half times" or "pull three and a half blades" before trying to start the engine.
You can also see why so many early ground crew didn't always have all of their fingers, and in some cases missing an entire hand! This is also why a few engines were more popular with people because you started them by flipping them in the opposite direction to start them! The magneto would fire just before "top dead center" of whatever cylinder it was and give just enough "ummph" to get the next cylinder to fire. Then as the engine started, the ignition timing shifted to give the engine maximum performance.
This is a rotary engine and not your 'common' radial. The cylinders and crankcase rotate around the crankshaft. This created an incredible gyroscopic effect and resulting rudder corrections. The Gnome engine generated over 150 hp.
the effect of frame rate on prop visualization always fascinates me
Lol, digital cameras are definitely not very good with regard to propellers
@@danam0228 Funny how film was much more realistic!
Watched this while I was eating some French Fries, America's favorite food.
Thank you for this...excellent video!
When the pilot and the aircraft are almost the same age you know this man Knows his STUFF !! Very impressive , Thank You Sir !
i like how the ground crew holds the wing to make it turn. would a rotary run backwards if you turned it the wrong way to start it? what exactly causes the prop to appear in stop motion when filming it?
I don't think much of anything would happen if you turn the prop the wrong way except maybe rip your arms off if it manages to start. As for the prop appearing to stop or even go backwards, that has to do with the frame rate per second ("FPS") that the action is caught at, something I have to learn about when recording again. I might have to get a professional camera to adjust the FPS
4 stroke engines won’t run backwards, though as mentioned, they might do rude surprising things if fuel/air meets spark. 2 stroke engines, like the ones we used in models as a kid, WILL start backwards. Then you throw a rag into the prop to try again 😂
But yeah, I really like the ground crew assisted “U turns” / dance spin they did on the airfield.
@@Roboprogs i had several of those little cox engines, an 010, 020, and 049 and would put them in different planes.
I just ordered a Dumas balsa 35" wingspan Nieuport 28 ,electric,R.C. flier last week. How timely zi get to see the real thing.
This looked like an engine whose cylinders rotated while the crankshaft stayed motionless. Beautiful old bird.
rotary engines. crankshaft fixed to the plane, prop fixed to the engine. The spinning cylinders cooled the engine.
Wow!! Beautiful airplane, hope to see it flying in a near future.
Great video!! The sound is incredible... What cellphone or video camera was used to record this jewel?
I used a Samsung S21, thanks
these rotary motors are amazing, thanks for sharing :)
You're welcome
👍👍👍👍👍👍 AWESOME! Thanks for sharing.
Excellent quality video! But I am not sure why it is listed as American? Nieuport was a French designed and made aeroplane which came out in 1917. Chris B.
It is listed as American because it was part of the American armed forces. You can read up on iit more here:
www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
And it’s sporting French roundels on the wings.
It is the first aircraft used by American pilots in WW1 as a nation at war as of March 1918
I guess we bought them ( from France ) so they were ours. Too bad it has French markings .
@@robertsklenka5823 That's how they were painted in WW1. It has the Hat in the ring emblem of the 94th Aero Squadron, based in France in 1918, who flew Nieuport 28 and Spad aircraft.
And to think the Wright brothers had their first flight just 15 years prior to the Neiport first fly, that’s insane.
War moves progress along pretty quickly. Read an interesting fact about the Avro Vulcan - first flown only 11 years after the first flight if the Lancaster.
Magnificent! Still flying, and must be pushing 110 years old at this stage. Lovely job by the restorer/pilot.
Not forgetting the ground crew - I love that 'human-assisted u-turn at 7:30! I guess that's how they did it back in WW1 as well.
I remember 'flying' the good old Nieup 28 in Red Baron 3D, it was my favourite plane in that game.
Anyone else remember that game?
It wonderfully evoked those days when aviation was simple: "Stick go forward, houses get big. Stick go back, houses get small." 🤣
Anyway, it's really something to finally see one of them for real, thank you so much for letting us see this slice of history.
This video is probably the closest I'll ever get to one of these amazing planes.
You're welcome. I first put this out as easy way to share with my kids who did not want to go with me on this day. You can read about it's story at the museum web site. Might need to turn phone sideways to be able to read it
www.americanheritagemuseum.org/aircrafts/nieuport-28/
@@danam0228 Thanks for the link, very interesting!
@@GneasYTC you're welcome
Damn. That engine is perfectly tuned. Started right up and runs perfect on all selectors.
Yup, and what's really amazing is that it's the original engine, all major parts
Does the Nieuport 28 have a throttle or just a cut out switch. The plane has no throttle and once started, the Gnome rotary engine runs on full all the time. The pilot controlled the plane's speed by turning off and on individual or groups of cylinders.
Sounds like you answered your own question
@@danam0228 Yes I did didn't I. It is very interesting that they didn't have a throttle. Untill I researched it I didn't know they could turn off individual cylinders!! I thought the turned them all off at once.
Beautiful aircraft, and AWESOME work by Mr. Carlson in the restoration.
Speaking as a Civil War reenactor, there is a 1000% chance I would show up to fly with leather trench coat and leather flight cap. I simply wouldn't be able to help myself 🤣
That is one incredibly brave and talented pilot. I can't imagine flying that death trap back in the old days. The material science and technology was bleeding edge back then. I'm not a safety Sally but wow lots of skill and fairly dangerous.
I understand why you might think of this and many of the airplanes of WWI that way, but it's somewhat of an exaggeration. Casualties incurred in these airplanes were mostly from combat and inadequate training. They were simple and quite sturdy, even though they may not look so to the uninitiated.
Sure, as with any airplane and other powerful devices, there were accidents, some of them fatal, but not as many as you might imagine.
Yes, the early airplanes were primitive compared to what came later, but most of them fly sedately and reliably, including this beautiful Niewport 28 as you can see. No one today would unduly risk their lives flying them in a show if this were not so. They are not inherently dangerous, or "deathtraps."
Of course, if it adds to your enjoyment to think of them that way when seeing them fly, then by all means, think of them as you wish.
The pilot is the same person who restored the plane, so he felt pretty confident flying it I'm sure. He has restored and flown several other aircraft. You can read about him here:
aerodrome.se/?page_id=71
@@Glicksman1 … Thank you. “Deathtrap” … come on. As a baby boomer, younger people seem to find a fear with anything. They can’t travel without guaranteed accommodations and reservations, every step of the way. This is a biplane and it can cruise for a long time to find a landing location for a safe landing at a fairly slow speed.
@@robkunkel8833 I'm with you about the airplanes, but I'll remain neutral regarding the generational stuff. I don't like to generalize. Some, maybe many of today's kids are alright. Give them time to become people.
However, I do think that those few of us who were a part of in the counterculture who were in our 20s in the mid - 1960s are the greatest generation for many reasons, too many to get into here.
I had a good friend named Kunkel back then.
@@robkunkel8833 I kind of like the guaranteed accommodations given current prices of flights lol. Would prefer to fly in an open cockpit though if they reduced the price enough and let me take over the controls from time to time
Beautiful plane. It was sort of a departure in design from the earlier sesqui wing Nieuports. Once the teething issues were worked out of the wing design, it became a rather effective dog fighter. Fast and maneuverable, it could fly rings around the somewhat clunky Spad XIII. In fact, many Nieuport 28 planes lived on as front line fighters with several countries into the 1920s, including the US. A few were converted into racing planes, and several were used in old Hollywood films like "Dawn Patrol".
@@wulfheard Per the muse7ms website this N.28 was featured in a number of significant aviation films including Hells Angels (1930) and The Dawn Patrol (1930 & 1938) 😊
Thanks to Cole Palen for rescuing all those planes from Roosevelt field so many years ago. Old Rhinebeck field is an American TREASURE. Original aircraft, NOT reproductions!
This was actually at the American Heritage Museum in Hudson, MA. Have been hearing a lot about Rhinebeck since posting this video and plan on going there sometime
@@danam0228 Yes, I recognized that this wasn't the Rhinebeck field, have been there many times in past years. Actually saw Cole Palen fly some and saw his fine DVII run and fly with its original engine which was a treat. Seeing it start by cranking the magneto was a particularly great sight. The Nieuport 28 to me was the prettiest of the WW1 planes but I give a nod to the SPAD as being the most mechanically advanced.
@@whalesong999 yup, the SPAD VIII is considered to be the best of WW1
Very nice! What is the other parked airplane?
@@dimitristripakis7364 A SPAD VII which flew beforehand and I recorded, but came out awful
Great video! Bravo!
My great uncle Jim was a mechanic in the American army air corps at Orly field near Paris during WW1. He said if a pilot didn’t want to fly, he’d kick holes in the fabric on his plane.
Lol
I remember a picture in Eddie Rickenbaker's autobiography of him standing next to a chunk of wing from his Nieuport fighter that had shed its skin. He did not look pleased. He was happier in a Spad.
Lol, I'm sure he was, the SPAD VIII is considered the best
Interesting point was that the 94th was the only squadron in the group that was pleased to switch over to SPADS. Just finished reading Harold Hartneys book, "Up and At 'Em" He was the 1st pursuit group's commanding officer at he was saying that the other squadrons preferred the Nieuport over the SPAD as the thing flew "like a truck" and the motor was far less reliable whereas they had modified the rotary engine in the Nieuport and it was far more reliable.
According to him, if you knew not to dive past a certain rate , you didn't shed the fabric as Eddie found out to his chagrin.
my great uncle knew him and thought he was a pretentious prat who only got where he was because he was a generals driver who fast tracked him through flight training and gave his squadron the best gear.
my uncles squadron didnt even get guns for their spad 28s when they were first delivered.. they flew patrols UN ARMED..
@@ripvanwinkle2002 You should read his autobiography.
My ultimate Favorite WW I aircraft.
Spads, Sopwith, Fokker... Nothing compares in my eyes.
Don't forget the redoubtable SE5!
From this perspective the length of the prop looks like 1/2 the wingspan.
If you have not been to the old Rhinebeck you need to go it is a really cool place a bunch of nice old aircraft.
I hope to go sometime, thanks
Oh hey, I was there. That’s kinda cool. It’s insane how fast biplanes take biplanes take off due to the two wings
Yeah, I knew they were quick, but I was pretty awe struck when seeing it in person
@@danam0228 I wasn’t in the video but I was actually really close to where you took the video. I was off on your left somewhere
@@basementdustproductions1069 it was a great day. Wish I had taken better video of SPAD VII to share with people and took video of Bob and Mikael's talk after the flight of the Nieuport 28. Their talk was great
That was quite impressive! Especially the way it ran.
Beautiful. Love that US "Hat in the Ring" insignia too.
Magnifique ! C’est dingue d’oser encore voler sur ces machines! Magnifique restauration.Merci de faire vivre le patrimoine mondial et de le partager 👍
Merci et pas de quoi!
I love the 28, but my favorite was the SPAD VII with the Hispano-Suiza V8 engine.
I’ve flown in a biplane 4 or 5 times. The whistle of the guy wires is awesome. The pilot asked if I was OK for some fun. I gave him the thumbs up and he did a few barrel rolls. My wife was screaming. Ha!
Lol, sounds like a lot of fun
My first real " big book" i read when i was like i dont 5 , 6? No Parachute by a WWI pilot named Arthur Gould Lee. He flew Pups for RAF, then moved into a camel. Book is out of print but you can still find it. Fantastic read.
Amazing climb, is that the same horsepower as original?
It's the original engine and the curator said it's in excellent condition, so I assume it is close to original in HP
Is this Nieuport XXVIII (or would "Nieuport 28" be the correct form?), the type of aeroplane that Captain Eddie Rickenbacker flew? Or was his a SPAD XIII? If he had piloted a Nieuport 28, was this one here the actual aircraft the U.S. Expaeditionary Forces had assigned to him?
Rickenbacker did fly a N28, but not this one. This one was built in 1918. You can read more about it at the below link. It is the only airworthy example in existence.
www.americanheritagemuseum.org/2022/08/americas-first-fighter-nieuport-28-restoration/
@@danam0228 , thank you thrice: 1) for the information, 2) for your prompt response, and 3) for the heart ❤️.
He had flown in combat the SPAD XIII, too, right?
@@DavidRLentz yes, he did
@@danam0228 One example of the N28 was on display in front of the 94th FS building at Langley AFB when I was a kid.
It had a rotary engine. At higher RPM, the Rudder worked as the elevator, and the elevator worked as the Rudder.
Seeing this makes me a little bummed out that I didn't get to see Rhinebeck aerodrome's Fokker D.VIII fly. It just did a few taxi runs cause they didn't like how it was running, but man hearing a rotary is like nothing else
I saw the DVIII fly a couple of weeks ago. That rotary sounded like the world's biggest string of firecrackers, and it flew beautifully.
Wow, that was absolutely great! The only thing I'd have done differently is cut the first third of the video off- cuz we're sitting here waiting, you know.
Some people like seeing the plane being wheeled out and started up. Besides, I never put it up for so many people to see, just some people I know.
What a jewel this video is--Thanks
Thank you for sharing this!! This is awesome!
So were the throttles in these things either on or off, not adjustable otherwise? And the engine spins as well as the propeller?
You are correct about the engine being on or off. The pilot controlled it with magnetos. The engine was still. Just the propeller spun.
@@danam0228 sauf erreur de ma part, il me semble bien que c’est un moteur rotatif Gnome type n9 à l’origine. (J’ai le Nieuport 17 en modèle réduit 😉) Donc tout le moteur tourne. So , yes « the engins spins as Well as the propeller »
My grandfather, John Paul Label flew Blériot 67 in 1916. He was from Lorraine France and passed away in Virginia in 1953.
Hats off to you grandfather
@@danam0228 Thank you I wish I could say I met him, but he passed before I could have. My Mother God rest her soul spoke so proudly of his adventures as a pilot even here in the USA.
@@lovebug5439 At least you have learned of his stories and can pass them down. Many people do not, and fewer document them
@@danam0228 I am grateful
Great video , Great plane and great flying ! Keep'm flying !
Glad to see that you appreciate it
And the first tank American fought in was also a french machine also during WW1. The Renault ft 17.
You can see an example of a M1917 in the background at the beginning of this video to right of the SPAD VII. It was actually built here in the US under permission from Renault, and was featured in a separate show later in the day.
The P-factor must be wicked with that engine.
Nice job! Excellent video and sound... even if you missed a bit. Makes your appreciate how hard these were to fly... look at all those tall tree in the way.
Lol, yeah, we have a lot of trees here in New England
Wow, what a beautiful little airplane!
Nothing quite like a Caster Oil spewing Rotary engine to get one attention in the morning. ^~^ Excellent job, beautifully done.
Fantastic sight, thank you. 👏🏻
So very cool! Thanks so much for sharing this.
No problem. My pleasure. I posted it just to share with family and friends. Same with other stuff I have posted. Never exprcted so many people to watch tjid onr. I myslef have watched it about a dozen times lol
Very skilled airmanship - very impressive! And, a very beautiful girl.
The pilot was the guy who restored it
That climb is something else.... Like a homesick angel.
Lol, nice one
Le Rhone engine can you imagine the right pedal required to keep this thing flying straight?? Plus valves spewing castor oil in your face the entire flight ....incredible ball-bearings these pilots had.
I love the final approach 👏 🙌 👌 ❤️
A beautiful piece of flying, and a lovely aircraft.