Four Noisy WW1 Fighter Aircraft
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2015
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Even after all these years, these old relics of The Great War are still capable of flight…
Many of them are replicas. Often with original engines though and built 100% to original plans.
Why wouldn't they be? Assuming the wood was well taken care of and the engine was maintained, they could be covered in a fresh fabric layer easily enough.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 Why? Because they are over a 100 years old and historical relics. I know this is hard to believe, but being a machine it doesn't matter how much maintaining they have had they will still wear out. And they weren't made that well back then.
Oh, and btw, these are REPLICAS. That DR1 surely isn't original and you can tell the engine is a MODERN radial and not a WW1 rotary.
@@timothyhouse1622If it sat in storage and was well kept, the engines and wood would still be in factory condition with whatever miles were put on it in the war.
Also, they were absolutely quality made back then. They had to be, else they would fold in half mid air. The engines wouldn't be usable over 100 years later either. Same reason you can pull a rotten car from the 40s out of a forest and get the engine running after two days work. Those old engines, while primitive, were indestructible due to their simplicity.
@@timothyhouse1622Actually they were extremely well made back then, by real craftsmen. Those old myths about them being fragile stick and fabric machines are the invention of pulp writers and hollywood.
Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines
Absolute Bliss. One of the BEST videos EVER on RUclips. Thanks for NOT fouling it up with music. The music those rotaries made was better than anything else could hope to be...
Thanks for that -- appreciate your enthusiasm :-)
The warbirds of before... Now we got flying metal birds that go supersonic. Awesome evolution
The Camel is magnificent - they just leap into the air.
this is real flying, with super skill and courage. very impressive.
I guess my Grandfather watched the likes of these planes in aerial combat whilst standing in some godforsaken trench in France, during WW1 with his Kiwi mates.
Crochunter AHHH YA BLOODY KIWI
i didnt realize how fast they get up into the air
They are nippy little aircraft, that's for sure!
ILITTHEWORLDONFIRE !
But of course, they all had one thing in common; they were all made of wood n cloth, so ..... lol
Carsten Hahn Well that’s part of it, but just notice how much lift the Fokker triplanes gets. That extra wing allowed it to maneuver at slower speeds while maintaining the proper amount of lift. I wish planes like these were still widely produced. I feel like a 9 year old could fly these without much risk haha
it sure is a long way from a P-47 or an F-4 Phantom !
They were like the super stol plane used today for competition in the shorting take off and landing
As Snoopy would have said, "Spare a thought for the poor blighters in the trenches..."
Piloting a plane took great courage and was certainly no easy option, but at least you weren't being shelled for hours at a time or mustard-gassed, or fighting rot and disease and drowning in mud.
Of course it was awful for everyone involved.
We will remember.
But you had the fear that your Aircraft could catch fire if hit and that you could be burnt alive as you plummet to the ground
Imagine you barely get used to see cars with engines, and in a war zone your psychology is already messed up, you hear a terrifying sound filling the air, you look up and see those things flying over you and dropping bombs!!!! Must be a horrible horrible experience for the ones who never seen an aircraft before in their lifes! I feel so sorry for their souls…
The italian ace Alvaro Leonardi Nieuport 11!!! 80° squadron 1917 spring
The short takeoff roll of these old birds never ceases to amaze me! This is when aircraft actually flew and weren't just pushed through the air by a jet engine.
Pushed, pulled, same thing
@@donaldsalkovick396 he means that lift was obtained more with well engineered wings instead of just brute forcing it with high powered engines
@@melissaharway4547 Exactly!
@@melissaharway4547 Yes, no advanced aerodynamics to be found on modern aircraft...LOL!
I’d love to learn to fly those.
Great stuff, love the sound of those genuine rotary-engined planes!
Damn it would be fun to fly one of them!
+sailrjim There's always Rise of Flight.
I flew in an open cocktail pit biplane in Hawaii many years ago. Wasn't a WWI plane but a WWII trainer. Fun.
@@TheSkipjack95 thanks, but I fly 1/4 scale radio controlled WWI models. Better than a video game.
@@sailr But not as cheap, even a full sim-rig costs but a mere fraction of one of your planes, and when you crash it, it's gone, in sims = You can go again, and you can actually use the planes for aerial dogfights as well.
I'm really happy to see rotary engines, most people say they are too dangerous to use today, but I say screw it, they went to war with these!
They were dangerous to use *back then* and gave pilots diarrhea with their total-loss lubrication system in which castor oil was used...
More pilots died landing a Sopwith Camel in training and after returning from a mission than through enemy action. It did also down more German aircraft than any other allied aircraft of the war, so it was dangerous both to the enemy and the pilots using them.
Your reply, inaccurate and whimsical, doesn't address anything regarding the posters comments about rotary engines and the engines were not to blame for any landing issues. You appear to be the type that posts....just for the sake of posting.....about issues which you "think" you have knowledge about. Your post was a long winded nothing burger.
Ted Kyzenski : Your observations are absolutely correct. Too many people have the misconception that these aeroplanes could barely fly, the problem in reality was that most pilots had very little experience, the aeroplanes are still flying today, 100 years later, so they cant be that bad.
There were about one hundred more pilots killed in combat than killed in training accidents. About four hundred KIA, about 300 killed in training flights. I don't recall the exact numbers. That was still a very high rate of training accident deaths. That was the nature of flight at the time.
The torque of the engine pulled the plane to the left, forcing the pilot to use hard right rudder to keep it from turning and flipping. Good pilots loved it but it was not easy an easy landing or take off .
@@macnutz4206 The gyroscope action of the rotary made the turns to the right very quick with a tendency to dive and enter a spin..conversely left turns were slower.
beautiful ballet in the air by these classics! Thanks!
The Camel's sound THO! Love it these planes are amazing Imagine the pilots in WW1... balls of steel
Especially since most of them did not have parachutes. If your plane was damaged or malfunctioned, you had a good chance of not making it. Now strap on your gear, cock your machine guns and off to the dogfights!
Thoroughly enjoyed this thanks!
Man, flying one of these machines (especially the Sopwith) is an exercise in attention. What with the throttle, mixture, firing the gun, and trying to fly a rotary with its gyroscopic precession tendencies must be a handful especially when someone was trying to shoot you down.
Agree, but the other guy was also struggling with the same issues, unless his engine was an "in-line".
@@analogdino1 Indeed, but then he couldn't turn as well either, putting him on the defensive unless he got in a solid burst on you first.
Welcome to combat, son, in any age, in any plane. The workload always expands to or beyond the limits of the pilot.
@@ToreDL87 But then he can out-turn you in your weak direction, and if he's survived this long, he probably knows that. Gyroscopic turning advantage is a one way street. He probably also knows that if he can't beat you in a turning fight, he needs to go vertical, where his greater mass, power, and better L/D give him the advantage. (if he's a D7)
Thanks, congratulations!
Remember having in 1970s and 80s a WW1 board game titled "Richtofen's War" by a company Avalon Hill. Designer notes mention that someone on staff went for a ride with a WW1 aircraft place somewhere in Virginia I think it was. Even after these several decades I remember some of it nearly verbatim, I think: paragraph ended something like, "... and after a 'thrilling' crosswind landing our intrepid adventurer was heard to remark, 'And they actually _Fought_ each other in those things!?"
Scott. Yes Bealton VA. At 13 I loved these planes, built many a model. While in school in Boston, I brought home an article about an air show in VA. My dad drove us down to watch during a Sumer vacation. They offered rides just before the show. As my dad grabbed me to bring me for a ride, I saw the planes doing all types of maneuvers in the sky. I started to say” you know dad, I don’t need to go up it’s fine just watching “ my dad a WW2 vet said, no way kid, you’re going up! Greatest thrill of my life! Since first we did a touch and go. I’ll never forget it
Awesome game. Many happy hours playing that
I love these old Ww1 airplanes!
motorized box kite !!! and I love'em.I had 6 great uncles who fought in the Great War. they told me some stories and two of them (brothers) had a huge collection of war memorabilia
The purest and most bare bone piloting experience. These man were more than talented
Voir voler ces magnifiques avions légendaires! Je dit bravo aux passionner qui ont fait revivre ce patrimoine aéronautique historique!!!
That camels engine sounds knackered
Working perfectly. That's just how the Gnome sounds.
The rotary's advantage was it's lack of dead weight, the pilot had to know how to use it, it could get you into or out of trouble.
The blip of a rotary !!!! Imagine hearing it a 104 years after their time was over.
I'll be terrified if I had to be flying that thing, cos just hear the ignition hiccups that kinda engines make 🫣
What a beautiful sky symphony!
They all sound like the engines are about to cut out! Great to see but utterly terrifying at the same time.
Awesome! Love the Camel especially, sounds like me after a curry! lol. Great video.
Lovely sight and sound.
Great to see them..
Good stuff.
They sound awesome
Such elegant machines !
I didn't know that about the throttle. Interesting.
love all the nieuports they were cool planes
they look so light
Love the magneto controller
That looks like a stupid amount of fun! Wish I was near by.
Warfare at an easy to view and relaxed pace.
The Old Sopwith Throttled up , moved and the Tailskid lifted , bounced twice and just flew into the air still nose up .
No shortage of lift there . These would be fun to do Circuits and Bumps off a Carrier with . Assuming they could keep up with the Ship .
They should have them dogfight or perform acrobatics in sync to see how much better a certain plane was climbing or in a turn or in a dive.
I've always suggested that doing comparative displays like that at airshows would be good.
Very NICE planes!
:)
Video starts out with a Fokker Dr1 - with a radial engine. How many radial engines did they hear in the trenches? There are some replicas out there with rotary engines, of course.
"Noisy" naah thats just the sound of music to my ears
The third airplane had a big prop riding low to the grow. I was wincing as he was taking off and the tail cane up.
Great footage. We've come a long way since.
Indeed!
The Fokker D.VII is my favorite WWI biplane fighter. 🇩🇪
worked at a crop dusting service in the early 90's. one of the pilots had been flying for long enough that he remebered the old wood and fabric crop dusters. he said flying one was like riding a half flat air mattres down the river, but they had a good feel to them at the same time.... always figgured cop duster pilots were crazy.
sounds to me like he was flying tigermoths , austers or piper cubs , all bloody neat aircraft to fly , real aircraft and real flying , so glad i learnt to fly in these and in later years fletcher 400hp .
Our local airport used to be visited by our state's only cropdusting service, who flew Stearman PT17s upgraded with P&W 450 HP engines. Their pilots had the biker gang persona: dirty clothes, dirty mouths, and rowdy behavior, and were not welcome anywhere on the terminal side of the field, where the only restroom facilities were. When it came time for a bladder break, they would land in the grass, taxi over by the treeline, set that big R985 to a ticking over idle, climb out and relieve themselves in full view of the airport restaurant windows, driving the manager ballistic. By the time the cops got there, they would be long gone.
crazy that was "only", a lil over 100 years ago.
FANTASTIC ! SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE CHANGING GEAR. WHOSE GOING TO MAKE THE NEXT WW1 BLOCKBUSTER FILM? AND SHOW THESE BOYS DOING THEIR STUFF ? BRILLIANT. STEP FORWARD, SIR PETER JACKSON.
Good thing these had long glide slopes! Nice, THX! Just watched Aces High, again ...
What have you been smoking? Long glide slopes, NOT! They're very light, and have lots of lift, but their high drag makes for a short steep glide slope. If your engine quits, you better pick a real close landing spot, because you're not gliding very far. On the other hand, you'll touch down so slow you'll probably walk away, no matter how rough your landing site is.
@@wcate8301 Oh excuse me, didn't realize an expert jackazz would be reading this, you putz.
@@sandspar Sweat thyself not, brother. I'm sure there are other topics you're an expert in and I'm not. Maybe we'll meet again someday on your turf. Stay safe!
The Fok D.VII is of late 1918 period. The "Ballenkreuz" (bar-cross) was only adopted by the " Luftstreitkräfte " in late 1918, from 1916 to 1918 german fighter use the Iron Cross.
Fokker DVII has the best sound from it's Mercedes DIII 6 cylinder engine.
niceeeeeee... and great ... i love this historical planes ...
where i can get some blue prints about this ..or' the sizes ... cheers .
When a pilot left flight school and arrived to his squadron to begin his duties in the air-services, his average life expectancy was 3-1/2 weeks.
Note the Smaller wing on the Nieuport 11 ... it is a Bi Plane...yes...but to be more exact it is a Sesquiplane.....
Sopwith ended out sounding like a helo. That can't be right.
I want to see the Bristol fighter, my favorite.
The Sopwith engine seemed a little bit off? just sounded a bit rough to me... I know it's supposed to sound like that using the "blip switch"? but going to full power, it seemed to have a little trouble firing on all cylinders? Those aircraft must have been quite a handful to fly though... beautiful!
A rather delayed response. If I recall correctly, the way the engine power was mainly managed with the selection of how many of the 9 cilinders would fire. There was the possibility of using 3, 6 or 9 cilinders, and that's the reason it sounds scuffed. Please anyone correct me on this if they have more information
Are these aircraft 100% replicas? Any original parts used on them? Fantastic machines. Thanks for the video.
These are replicas, but some of them do have original parts, such as the original rotary engines.
Thanks for the reply!
You mean to say, those are the same engines that would have been inside one of these birds back in the Great War itself?
+Clyde Marshall yes he means that the bodywork is replica but dome have the same engine.
Wow.
Does anyone know if one of these would fit for ultralights category?
Great machines.....come to the eagles mere air museum and see our Thomas morse s4c scout
the Fokker DR-1 only weighted 406kg? plus 180kg of load, so 586kg total flying weight. Featherweight, it would be like flying an ultralight modern plane (in the feeling)
nobody:
my ass during class: 3:15
Incredible lift , so short take offs
Yes a biplane/triplane has tremendous lift. I had a flight in a Waco biplane at Kissimmee some 20 odd years ago, and was shocked as we were airborne in about 15 yards.
Imagine getting into those paper cups and shooting heavy machine guns at each other. Tough folks those early aviators.
Simple but deadly
good show, very good show!!!
Jolly good show
VERY SHOW BRASIL CONGRATULATIONs
They sound like angry lawn mowers lol
Fokker DVII was the best of all.
You can tell they are funner to fly than planes of newer periods.
ELKFILMZ "funner" ...
Yeah! :) Puke your guts out, too. :) lol! :)
Woooheee "funner" you'all! "Dotty be a good sister wife and get me unuttha beer gal - daddy's thirsty"
Biplanes are way cooler than modern aircraft, don’t listen to these ninnies
Sounds like my lawn mower on a wet day 🤣
Most WW1 era biplanes barely got above 100 MPH and rarely up to 150mph
my favorite. is The fokker d7
They sputt and sputter a lot! Is that do to the engine pulling during a climb and being pushed during decent?
Woo look at em go
amazing. The Fokker DVll looks like a killing machine (which it was) Compared to the tiny Nieuport 11 (Bebe) The Dr 1 looks like a monument to wind resistance (which it was) Of all of them I believe the Camel had the highest kill count.
And the highest death count.
Beauties! ;D
what a rush it must be getting into the air in aircraft like that. flying as a bird with a bird maneuvering champs - men with wings. 😎
☁️🌤☁️
i would love to here from a pilot what he thinks about the potential torque issue.... clearly these look like you need to be an expert to safely fly, but they do look safe for a well trained pilot
I am a private pilot but I have some questions about these plane.
How are the gun able to shoot through the spinning propeller without hitting it?
And what are those stop and go noise like the engine cut out and start again?
Any reply would be greatly appreciated!
The engine sound you're hearing is primarily that of the Sopwith Camel -- it has a rotary engine with no throttle but rather a 'Blip' switch that changes the number of magnetos that are firing at any one time. The funds could fire through the prop because there was an interrupter mechanism fitted between the gun and the engine such that as each blade swings in front of the gun barrel, the gun is stopped for firing. So the gun only fires when the blade is not in front of the propellor.
The Neuport 11 was an earlier design that was made before the prop- gun synchro was invented, so it was up there to fire outside of the prop. The airco DH-2 (not in this video) was a pusher for the same reason. All the other planes in the video were developed after the prop synchro was invented .
Would love to build a replica..
Think I saw all of these at omaka
the fokker d7 sounded quiet and much refined.
In line six cylinder engine with enough power to let the pilot physically hang the aircraft in mid air, nose up!
The D7 has an online water cooled engine with the radiator just behind the prop.
These old engines had lubed fuel and dry crankcases like a 2 cycle engine, but they were 4 cycle. Must be a trick getting fuel for these engines.
Question, why is the Sopwith Camel so loud vs. the Fokker D I & VII?
The triplane has a radial engine (not original), not a rotaryThe DVII has an inline engine.
The inline engine in the D VII has an exhaust manifold which makes the engine a little quieter than the rotary in the Camel, which exhausts straight out of the exhaust valve in each cylinder, with no manifold at all. Even on the ground, watching them fly overhead, they are very noisy.
The radial engine in the D1 is also quieter, but not by much.
WW1 planes are not particularly loud compared to other unmuffled air engines.
New Zealand is an aircraft Mecca! One day I'm going for the display season.
Classic Fighters Omaka and Warbirds Over Wanaka air shows are held in the South Isand on alternate Easters, and Wings Over Wairarapa in the North Island is held every two years.
Classic Fighters Omaka is the only one of those air shows where you will see three Spitfires as the Mark XIV is based at Omaka and, as I found out at this year's CFO, for insurance reasons does not display anywhere else in the country.
It is a fantastic venue, airshow and museums!
Was it a particular engine variant that gave this Camel it's unique sound?
Interesting that both the Nieuport and the Fokker Triplane were rotary powered but don't sound anything like the Camel, nor did they exhibit the same gyroscopic effect that was so lethal to inexperienced Camel pilots.
The Camel engine in this case is a 160hp Gnome. The engine in the Nieuport is an 80hp Le Rhone. I the case o this triplane the engine is a 165hp 7-cylinder Warner Scarab radial from the 1930's, but the original aircraft used 110hp Oberursel rotary engines.
Historical Aviation Film Unit Thanks for the info! You've probably seen it but there is a video of a Clerget powered Camel being started up, different sound to the Gnome but awesome all the same!
Yes, the various rotary engines did/do sound different to one another.
Brrrting before the brrrt.
The third plane to take off went up quick! Powerful as hell. But I'm wondering who stands up and uses the machine gun on the top of the wing
The gun could be fired from a sitting position via a cable/trigger. However, to change the ammunition drum was a different story.... in these earlier aircraft with overwing guns, you basically had a single drum to use. Later aircraft such as the SE.5a had the gun on a Foster mount so it could be brought down to the pilots level and then re-armed there. Still, flying and changing ammo drums at the same point was not going to be an easy proposition.
@@historicalmachines thanks for the info
imagine being in one of them....you had no parachutes in beginning of WW1... no guidance system, no radar, no HUD, no GPS but your guts, skills and a map....
You misspelled nuts
@@donaldsalkovick396 Ha ha!
A question. How much fuel did these carry? Also how long was a typical flight, with and without a dogfight? I don’t know if I have ever heard.
Gus The wise one not so sure on the fuel but an average flight was between 1.5 to 2 hours for a combat mission
@kk Hagerty. Thank you for answering my question.
read/reading a couple of books by Arthur Lee. who would have thought a bunch of letters home could be so interesting.
that Italian one is FAST
It was in fact the slowest of the ones you see in this video . It's a Nieuport 11 known as bébé Nieuport . In 1915 it was a fast and agile plane . The camel and the Fokker triplane appeared in 1917 and the Fokker D-7 appeared in spring 1918 .