Ford 428 FE Build Part 7: Harland Sharp Roller Rockers, Pushrods, and Rocker Geometry!
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Parts List:
Harland Sharp Rockers: S4006BKE
TrickFlow Pushrod Tool: TFS-9006
TrickFlow 3/8 Cup End: TFS-9011-A
Edelbrock Rocker Shaft Studs: EDL-6009
Custom Pushrods: Trend Performance
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You had the cardboard cut out already you should’ve just gave it to them! CAD= cardboard aided design 🤣🤣🤣
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I have a high end FE build that I've been putting off for this verry reason, I'm glad that others are spending the time and effort to make thies engines the best they can be.
Great video ! The attention to detail is important on such a high end build and you are doing a great job on it....cant wait for the next segment on it 😀
Thanks appreciate it!
Back before you were born, I helped a friend rebuild a 428 Super Cobra Jet for his ‘71 Merc Cougar. There wasn’t the same level of aftermarket support back then so there was a lot of work to get things just right. But you are doing such a better job than we ever did. Should be a great motor.
Really wished I had watched this video again before I purchased these rockers from Harland Sharp! I have the same bad angle and when I shim the stands the roller lines up to the center of the valve and get a much better angle!
Dude nice job, I like seeing the level of detail you’re getting into with the engine!
Thanks man appreciate it!
Nice fabrication work Omar! I like that “can do” mindset! Can’t wait for the next one.
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You're doing some very nice work, taking you time & researching the build. Awesome job on the shims. Must have made you feel proud when they were installed. Good work Omar.
Brings back memories of me putting a roller cam in my 66 Nova SS back in the day. Man did it sound wicked.
Thanks joe!
You're doing a good job. You're making me want to get my Galaxie running again. Lykins rocks!
Haha we need more galaxies on the road!
Great attention to detail on those shims! Looking forward to the next steps and then first start; you and family have a great holiday weekend!
Thank you so much Craig!
Those shims look amazing. Great job.
Thanks Dennis!
I have to stop watching this video for a while, my brain hurts. haha
Great job on making the roller rocker dream come true. Wonderful videos
Lol this was definitely a dream come true. Finally got it to work
Love the video. It's great to see younger guys getting into the older engines! Keep it up! Just some advice on the valve stem contact patch you talked about..... When using a roller rocker, the width of the contact patch is not super important. The amount of travel of any rocker (and thereby contact patch width) is basically established by the height of the cam lobe. Therefore, the contact patch width is really not something you can "effectively" adjust with shims. Keeping the geometry of all the moving components as close to nominal as possible is your main priority. Something tells me you don't need those shims at all. I've never had to do that with these heads. The Edelbrock heads work really well with the Harland rockers without mods. Since you used head studs, you need to mill the rocker mounts for clearance or just use bolts...they'll work just fine. What does the contact patch look like without the shims? Is it centered on the valve stem? You certainly want the contact patch on the valve stem as close to the center as possible. Doesn't look that far off from the video. If it's just a street motor, you'll probably be fine as is. Just my two cents ;0)
Thanks Fred! I could’ve used bolts but wanted to go with studs with the aluminum heads. I really didn’t want to alter the Harland sharps as they did not like the idea of machining them haha. But in the instructions it also says to use .060 shims to correct geometry. I think it just needs to be checked either way. Since I have to use studs, it won’t be as centered but I’m pretty sure it is very close to 90 degrees at mid lift.
Been following this build since Day 1 ( love the work Omar!). For my 390 build, I plan on using the Edels with Harland Sharp, as well and the idea of shimming these seems odd to me. I know other rocker setups instruct you to mill the rocker stands, but thought these Harland's work out of the box. Fred, you had no issues with the Harland's contacting the springs themselves without shims? I did plan on using studs as well, but would likely mill the end stands slightly if that's an option.
sick build dude. I'm building a 306 for my 94 Mustang at the moment, you're an inspiration. One day I'd like to get into the old big blocks.
Thanks! I would love to build a 302 with a Paxton. Maybe soon!
nice work Omar
Thanks joe!
Just straight awesome craftsmanship keep up the great content love this channel
Thanks Joseph!
Nice ! been waiting for an update on that sweet galaxie since been watching all your vids I have been falling in love with 64 Ford Galaxie can't wait to see her finished...she is going to be gorgeous !!
Haha thank you, I plan to get a lot done. Goal is for January to get it running and driving on the street
Very impressed with your attention to detail. Thanks
Appreciate it! Should be running pretty soon!
great job
Your attention to detail is amazing. You have a new subscriber. Thank you
Thank you appreciate it!
On those Harland Sharp rocker shafts, make sure the oil holes are facing down.
Those custom shims are SICK!!! Nice work!!!!
thanks I think they came out really good!
Nice work, love the Ford FE blocks
definitely would've cut the stands to fit around the stud instead of raise it with a thick washer. "people tend to bolt them on" because they're probably running stock and it's designed to work. your after market parts often need to be modded.
YOU NEED TO MACHIN THE STANDS
Just Great Omar. Good work. Very informative. Im starting my 445 FE thos winter and ive built many engines but really like what you are doing. Thanks Man.
Appreciate it!
Nice work, it is coming along nicely
Yes should be running really soon!
I have never heard of a quarter inch shim under the stands! Must be the aluminum heads
Don't forget stock rocker assemblies don't have end supports to interfere with the head fasteners. Might want to massage the end of this rocker support vs spacers because the taller you make it the more leverage you apply to the rocker arms and fasteners.
Yes, I think it’s give and take with this. I could’ve gone with bolts but wanted the studs. I did contact Harland sharp and they really did not like the idea of machining the end stands. I think I got the geometry dialed in though
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie good deal just thought I'd share my own experience with my 390 in my 61 galaxy
Great stuff, as always!
Thanks!
I thought we werent supposed to use pushrod checkers to test valve stem tip wear patterns? Supposedly, theyre not strong enough for the "stock" springs?
Those shims look great. Although I'm not sure why Harland Sharp can't make the support stands longer to fit an average engine build like this. I've seen quite a few people have to shim those on some FE groups and I'm not sure why they don't have at least .150" built into the support stands so if one does need to shim them it won't be quite so thick. The T&D rockers we used on my dad's 445 bolted right on with perfect geometry right out of the box with no shims required of any kind. That engine has something like a 10.180" pushrod length if I remember right, it's solid flat tappet with the hollow shell lifters.
Yeah I guess it all depends on the type of build. But I have heard of those T&D rockers being a bit better. Some people machine longer support stands as well.
Great job with these spacer plates, very strange that manufacturer dont get shims with rocker shafts ...
Yeah I guess it all depends on the block. Decking the block can also change a lot of stuff
Which in turn lol , makes you have lots of shims , unless u get a custom stand.
WHY DID YOU NOT MACHINE THE STANDS DOW TO MISS THE BOLT HEAD?
Harland sharp really does not want you to machine the end stands. They will not back their product. It will work I guess, but didn’t want to go that route
What are you going to do about the oil feed tothe rockers ?Check out DOVE Manufacturing they make most of the parts and they know what you need to do it right the first time . Ithink he still makes Tunnel Port heads and Cammer parts .
No engine was set up from the factory for roller cams until mid 80s. Then they were just hyd
First of all, excellent video. I notice that you had the push rods made to the actual length you measured without adding .050. Did I miss something? Thanks!
Thanks for posting about your CJ build. I have just about the exact same setup as you on the build I'm doing. Currently at the installing pushrods stage. I have the same heads and rockers that you have. I would think the pushrod length will be the same as yours. I've tried searching for the ones you ordered but have had no luck locating at all. Any suggestions? Thanks in adavance and again, great videos!
I would strongly measure your own pushrods, the ones I got were custom ordered. Even when I ordered them, they were a tad short (miscommunication with the manufacturer). But I was still able to use them
Omar, did you talk to Harland Sharp about your head bolt interference? I just did the same setup on Edelbrock FE heads and did not have this issue. Of course, there can be a hundred reasons why our setups are different, just curious.
Yes, they really didn’t want me machining the end stands. Did you use studs with your build? I could’ve gone with bolts but really wanted the studs with the aluminum head.
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie - I purchased the 428 engine as a long block with Edelbrock heads with ARP head bolts and Harland Sharp rockers but not stands or spacers. I bought center stands, a spacer kit and end stands (406BEK) in June of 2022. The end stands have notches in them for head bolt clearance as received from Harland Sharp. No clearance issues and run the stock oil drip trays modified to clear the back side of the rockers. Check your Facebook messenger for a picture. Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to put a picture here.
Did you modify the hydraulic lifter in any way when checking geometry at mid lift? I heard lykins say that he would use a solid (or tack weld a hydraulic lifter) to avoid the hydraulic plunger collapsing under the spring pressure. If you did just use the hydraulic as is did it work out good for you? Trying to figure out how I'm going to do it. Great videos btw
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Nice video and fantastic job on the shims!! Are you oiling through the pushrods or heads? I'm doing a build on a 390/445 and thinking of oiling through the heads only. Any drawbacks to that?
Thanks! I’m oiling like the factory set up through the head. I don’t think there’s drawbacks especially if you do the oiling modifications. Brent lykins has some great videos on oiling with the FE
Omar did you give yourself enough clearance between the shim and the springs those springs like to move around. With all the work you are putting into it wouldn't want to see a spring hit a shim under any load... ...just my two cents. What does Brent Lykin and other say about that? The build does look great and you have your hands full all the time.
Hi senia, I clearanced it pretty good,
Maybe the video doesn’t show it that well. But I might take them off and shave some more off. I haven’t talked with Brent, he’s a pretty busy guy but I did talk to Scott foxwell and he was the one who suggested the shims but to make sure the geometry was correct at mid lift. I think it came out really good
Will raising the rockers lead to valve cover clearance issues?
I hope not! The tall valve covers might clear but I guess I’ll see. I can always use valve cover spacers 😂
Doing great work Omar. Still wish you'd paint the body on this old girl. Be so much better than another patina poop job lol
Lol it will be painted someday! I was thinking of even doing it myself. But I really want to get this running and driving by January
Where did you get the idea for the rocker shims? Is that the typical way they are done by everyone? I am concerned about the oil return. Did you consider making a single shim for each pedestal? I could see being concerned that they might rotate being held down by a single stud but you could have made one that bridged two pedestals and not bridged the oil return. I'm not trying to be a negative Nelly. I just tend to overthink stuff.
No worries. I got the idea from Brent lykins, he sells similar long shims but they are made for trickflow heads. I did consider making them just all singular but figured this would be a lot stronger. I could’ve made them in doubles as well but was also thinking about the aluminum expanding with heat. Since it’s all one rocker shaft, it can perhaps warp it if the shim isn’t one piece. I still have a lot of questions as well haha but I think the 1 piece should be ok. We will see haha
Can I use .25 washers or do I have to make a stand like yours for my stock FE heads?
I would say use flat washers to check your geometry at mid lift. Once you see the correct 90 degrees at midlift from center of rocker to valve you are good to go. Some people machine the end stand, as long your geometry is correct, it’s fine. And you don’t have to use a long shim, Scott foxwell did singular shims on each stand.I just wanted to make the shim one long piece, I think it looks awesome.
@@OmarRamirezGalaxie Your shims look really nice! I was going to send my Harland Sharp back and get a set from T&D but I don’t know if I will have the same problem so I will be at the metal shop in the morning 😂…….🍻🍻🍻
what are you using for valve covers
Was thinking of going with blue thunder valve covers. I do have the original thunderbird Galaxie covers which I might use with spacers but haven’t decided yet
Think you have the wrong set of rockers. In 45 years I never had to jack up the rocker stands you might got tne wrong. Stand height the TFS. Heads has the pad up .300. Over. OEM. Height you could of got tne rocker arm set for the TFS heads then ended up around .300 short using a standerd. Head rocker pad height
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You DO NOT SHIM THE ROCKERS YOU MACHINE ROOM TO FIT AROUND THE STUD AN NUT!
You placing this with shims is absolutely wrong.
This is what I was told by Scott foxwell as long as I correct the geometry it should be fine. But I guess we’ll see how it works out. Don’t have anyone to refer to just building this engine on the research I do.
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CNC machine ain't got nothing on you, dude.
Haha they came out pretty good didnt they?!