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I just got into Radar Detectors again and was hyped for Thia when I first heard about her. After seeing this I’m even more pumped. Now let’s see what the price ends up being 🤔
Groundbreaking tech in a RD with scalable design. I'm sold. I'm on the mailing list for preorder details. Hoping it is out for the summer road trip season!!!
Honestly, I think you guys are doing a great job with every function of the detector. I've been running detectors for a decade now since I started driving and Theia incorporates everything we always wished for! This will be a huge game changer and I'll be recommending nothing but Theia to all my friends/family. Cant wait! Put me on the list for two please 🤣🤣
This is very exciting. Really unheard of in today's manufacturing world. Strong interaction with consumers. The very best components. Best engineering talent available. All of this results in an excellent top tier radar detector. I understand the tremendous capital in terms of R and D, and components. Take your time with this complex product. Your potential buyers should be able to understand how this will most likely cost north of 1k, and this is reasonable. Until then, I will use my segmented old Redline with K band turned off.
Looks like Theia is coming along just fine. I cannot wait for it to come out. Even if I live out in the boonies - still have K band false signals. Please make sure you add K band farmer tractor radar signals to your data base.
We are fricken stoked too. Seriously. I also live in the boonies and farm equipment is one of the items we've been looking at. Good ole John Deere's cast of some fab radar, in the same bands police RD use. We're on it! -Min
@@RadensoRadar Good to hear your on it. I figured you would be but just in case you 'might' have missed it. Thought I would say sometime. I am a 20+ years V1 owner. A local detector / jammer (I mean parking sensor) tester. Been using detectors since the days of the Radar Sentry (S and X bands) from the early 70's. Take care and I'll be waiting for your detector to come out. Spin
How are you cooling this thing? I'm thinking windshield in the summer time type of hot.. Will it be made out of a metal case that acts as a heat-sink and also blocks leaking RF to make it stealth? That's what I would do. Could put some plastic on there on the edges for places to grab it that'll stay cooler so people don't burn their hands.
Wow, having never hearing your name until very recently and having my doubts when compared to uniden and Escort. But seeing these videos, including us in your production stages and saying what your goals are for it have me on the pre-order waiting list
I was wondering the same thing as it would be on your dashboard in the sun. These RD's cook and I don't think CPU"s like heat. Maybe make it a lighter color non reflective.
Laser jammers must be a physical sensor mounted on the outside of the car so no, a windshield detector can never jam laser. However, we do plan to try and add ALP integration to Theia.
I'm sure your considering that the RD components are going to be running in temps up to and over 180 degrees, cooking on a dashboard? Just worried about longevity of a PC running in those temperatures. A black dash in Florida summer sun can cook things...always wondered why RD's were not a light non reflective color.
Hi. I just wanted to ask about heat dissipation. I know your design takes into account internal heat generation but what about heat from the sun. I sit my detector on my dash. It’s a V1 and it gets hot enough to burn fingers. Since heat is the mortal enemy of anything electronic, I wanted to hear from you about what, if any, steps you have taken regarding this. Will you be testing in extreme heat?
I would like to see an onboard internal microphone in addition to the line-in / microphone plug. The plug would be more useful for motorcycle riders, while an onboard one would be more useful for vehicle drivers. Inside a vehicle, most of us typically want as few wires running to our gadgets as possible. If it could come with an onboard microphone that could allow for voice control and auto-volume adjustment (based on road noise and your music playing in your car), that would be fantastic to have the ability to do that WITHOUT having to be linked to your mobile phone with bluetooth (and be reliant on your mobile phones microphone).
Hello from Ann Arbor. Ready to trade in my R7. Question....what will you do to combat thermal issues? Every detector I've had gets so hot....and that is true even in the winter and with cloudy weather. Also, the FCC approved Galileo satelites for the US....any chance of future proofing to allow Galileo?
Did you notice any performance affect when your detectors ran hot in the past? Stay tuned! We will be showing a video later with how the case is constructed, ventilation etc. -Min
@@RadensoRadar no performance decrease but I work for a thermal Management company and I know chips hate heat and PCBs can do strange things when they get too hot.
Hi, you mentioned the modular design and this sounds great. I was wondering how/if it was going to impact the sales part of it. For example the GPS, since blocking encounters with retail auto door openers and such, will no longer be required with Theia, can this unit be purchased without an GPS?
Can you design theia to give distance information. How far a signal is away relative to its signal strength. Ie ka band 1021 feet and be able to track the signal source distance with the ramp up
Hi Steven, unfortunately we don’t have any updates at this time. As long as you are subscribed to our Radenso Theia pre-order email list, you’ll be the first to know of any updates including when Theia pre-orders will begin, thank you! Radenso Theia pre-order email list signup: radenso.com/products/radenso-theia Thank you! -Randy
Great video! Thank you both. Can't wait for this device to launch. :) It would be rally nice if you could configure a jammer to work with this device down the road. Good luck and God bless
Hey HC, glad you dig it! It's been a fun project for us. We're hoping to integrate with AL Priority laser jammers, however since Theia is still a work in progress we haven't tested it yet. Stay tuned! -Min
Radenso Radar once the design is finalized, and you’re calling it ready to go. How long to ramp up production to meet demand? Assuming you’re aware everyone wants one!
Ok this idea is out there but would it be possible to link to an aftermarket head unit to have the audio come through the car speakers and mute music during alerts? Even better would be the alerts displayed on screen? I have a pioneer deck that can display info for car functions like hvac and guages.
Anything is possible with Theia since it is open source and has major computing power! First goal is though out of the box to detect radar using AI though!
Is it possible to stack daughter boards with interconnects such the height is increased and length decreased? Would that reduce footprint and improve the form factor ? Thinking it would support a taller OLED screen and reduce depth.
We are actually stacking boards....showing that will be in a future video. Note that the FPGA is not on the motherboard ;) That's why the Samtech connector is so important, a normal connector wouldn't be high performance enough to make this strategy work.
Will Theia speaks several languages like french/spanish ? For those living in banarea , would it be a way to get all the infos spell out or send to a secret module/screen since the rd has to be hidden ?
Theia is basically a computer so adding languages is a cake walk. If you need to have a hidden/remote radar detector, we would recommend the Radenso RC M for now.
Wow, it's big compared to what I'm used to from Radenso (Pro M, Pro SE, etc). Looks promising! I think using Bluetooth 5.0 is more important than a headphone jack. Also, are you coming with a USB C direct plugin for remote install?
You mentioned modular design, will this be available in a remote configuration like an RC M? I live in a state where radar detectors are illegal and don’t want a detector mounted on my windshield as it looks very obvious. Theia is extremely fascinating. Best of luck with the product.
Lol, we have a monitor set up so we can see ourselves and check if we are moving out of the camera frame...it's tempting to stare at it sometimes instead of the lens!
The sockets are already mass-produced with no concerns about errors in pin pitch. Adding sodimm pads to a board is probably the easiest part of the whole thing as it would be the first pads place. My V1 has had a headphone jack for 10+ years.
You are correct that adding a Sodimm was the easy part relative to high speed FPGA layout, but I am trying to simplify things for a general audience that doesn't even know what a Trace is. Your Valentine one does not have a microphone jack, and also has less than 70mhz of processing power compared to Theia which has over 6ghz with vastly more IPC, plus a Spartan 7 fpga and a 14 bit 65msps ADC that alone costs more than the entire V1.
Radenso Radar definitely the processing power of the Theia will be greater, it is 10 years newer than my V1 that DOES have a built in HEADPHONE output, but yes, no mic. I'm eagerly waiting the release to RIP it apart and start building off of it, but with higher powered AI to include plate tag reading, which locally can be used to identify any law enforcement vehicle by looking for a specific colour and number that all police vehicles have. On top of that will be some statistics logged regarding time, date, location a particular plat was spotted, along with just mass dump as much raw data to analyze for patterns that may be useful as part of my detection algorithm. Only 5 watts of power required to run with a nvidia GPU module designed for real time live AI. I see a fairly basic rockchip and some unpopulated BGA spots. Those where the actual AI processor will live? Odd to see the rockchip board where a high performance nvidia GPU designed for AI would also fit, though unlikely the pin mapping would be the same. Glad I held off on a current model, largely due to appearance, which I know is not the best metric, but allowing the open development on this detector is going to allow some of us to really change the radar world. 4 arrows for 360? Nah, I'll push it to 12 and give a precise direction. Modify my cars reverse camera for video input and feed it visual information extracted from the radar detector via the 5 watt GPU used solely for AI calculations. Very excited.
@@RadensoRadar How does Theia have 6GHz processor speed? That is higher than pretty much any desktop chip, and the Rockchip shown on the board is your standard Android/Linux TV set-top box chipset. At least that is its intended use and can be found super cheap on Amazon. You're getting screwed on parts though if a low 14-bit resolution ADC cost much at all. Microchip has many, same speed but higher resolution, and about 1/100th the cost of a V1. A spartan FPGA is very common, and not the price of a v1. v7 a Spartan®-7 FPGA Evaluation Board is only $196, and that's not just the IC, but the price for those two parts should only be a fraction of a V1. As for an ADC " 20-Bit 1.6Msps Low Power SAR ADC with Fully-Differential Unipolar Input" $30 I'm guessing the FPGA and ADC are on the other side of the module, or just not populated. The speed of the detector isn't a good metric to use for comparison whatsoever. We went to the moon with the tiniest fraction of CPU power we have now, and our radars are not going to the moon, so at some point, you are just wasting clock cycles/power/coding inefficiently. Didn't use a Xilinx DPU (deep learning processor) on board at all Xilinx also has a DNNDK, a TySOM-3A-ZU19EG and an FMC-ADAS daughter card; which provides interfaces and peripherals for 5x HSD cameras, RADAR, LIDAR and ultrasonic sensors. Now that would have been sweet. Still excited to use Theia for the basic AI and radar functionality, then tie in a SBC with GPU to display an interface on the car's infotainment system. No silly cellphone needed, and the addition of identification of visual threats, and other features that I haven't thought of, but analyzing the raw logs should help shed some light on additional features of uses. Fun stuff.
@@lostintheelectricalaisle5318 The arm processor is a quad core 1.5ghz, which gives you 6ghz of total available processing power. As for the ADC, the one you provided wouldn't work because Theia is looking at so much bandwidth instantaneously. We can't use an ADC with a low sample rate; further, it needs to be a I/Q ADC because Theia is a quadrature receiver - so it's looking at 130MSPS effectively. Our ADC is about $40-50 depending on where you purchase it, and the entire COGS of the V1 are in that range. For reference, a V1 costs about $50-60 to make, a Max 360C costs about $130 to make, and the R3 costs about $100. Processing power is actually a very good metric to compare detectors with because it is directly related to sensitivity. For Theia, the faster the clock speed is, the faster the AI inferences. We are not wasting clock cycles with Theia - you downclock the processor, your inference time goes up. But even for traditional detectors, processing power allows you to do things like oversampling and decimation, create FFTs faster, and run more advanced digital filters (not on the V1 obviously, but on the R3 and Max 360) to get software gain. You can't do that if you don't have the processing power available. The reason we don't use the Xilinx deep learning stuff is because it's very poorly supported, and we made a decision to keep the AI off of the FPGA to ensure long-term company sustainability. Fitting our AI model into a FPGA would require a very expensive, very large FPGA and that FPGA would then be a complicated, multi-function device - internally handling AI plus multiple other IP Cores relating to usb, DSP, etc. Finding good FPGA engineers is difficult - for example, when Escort's left the company for Boeing, they have been unsuccessfully trying to fix their lockup issues for three years now. Doing FPGAs correctly is so difficult that they simply don't know how to do it, and we wanted to prevent that from happening to us down the road. Our FPGA is a single-purpose device - DSP - and is done in a way that if something happens to our FPGA engineer, it will be possible for another one to easily step into his role. We did look at using the Xilinx Zynq series, which are FPGAs with onboard ARM processors, but those processors weren't fast enough (only dual core, about 1ghz). We need a quad core to get inferencing time where we wanted it to be. And again, stuff like TPUs and other AI accelerators - sure, they would work, but I would have to add multiple hundred dollars to the MSRP for zero benefit (we already have latency very low), so why? Theia is a purpose built device.
10:10 My DFR7 has a headphone jack.. lots of detectors have headphone jacks don't they? Audio in (mic) not so much but headphone jack? Yeah lots of them do. Glad it will have it though! Bluetooth speaker alerts would be cool. Wireless headphones in my helmet for alerts would be cool. Bluetooth alerts on my car stereo would be cool too.
What would be even more groundbreaking would be having the possibility of IR input. No, not for a remote control. But FLIR roadside detection. I'll let you think about it...
Looking good! How about a suggestion for a display? Why not make it detachable, similar to the RCM? Allow users to detach the display from the detector proper and move the display to a dock with the same interface. Now we have a dock and display that we can mount wherever we want and a detector we can mount away from prying eyes as well. If we want to bring the detector to another car, simply detach the display from the dock, reattach it to the detector and go.
Great suggestion, but extremely tricky from a size and cost perspective. Would need to add additional micros in the detachable face plate, and do a bunch with USB - remember, the RC M isn't sending screen data through the detachable pins, but rather through a usb cable. Maybe in a future product, but this would take 6 months minimum to implement.
Will the final release version will be based on the SODIMM design? Is this for reduced cost of development reasons or do you have plans to offer upgraded boards in the future? Or will you move to a fully integrated single board before release? And if the SODIMM design stays, being in a horizontal position like that, I would be a little worried about long-term vibration issues affecting board seating, retention clips breaking, etc. because of it being jostled around on the window of a moving car. But, yeah, this looks awesome! Getting more excited for this with every new video. Keep up the good work!
one thing i noticed is the use of the NEO-8Q GPS Module has it been thought about using something like the ZED-F9K for dead reckoning (my max 360 has gps issues due to tunnels and stuff) and even using that imu for things like collision notifications to phones via wifi etc also if i recall the neo 8 series doesn't support the new GPS bands L2C and L5 while probably not useful in a radar detector GPS future satellites might not include L1 and while the 8 series does glonass and stuff it would be nice to see at least L2C for future proofing if u taking the time do use a sodimm SoC Module another thing that would be cool to include but i don't know how practical is a NB-LTE/LTE-M/LTE-CAT1 radio sorry for rambling but this is what i would do in making Theia and u asked for comments and suggestions
Thanks for your comments! The ZED-F9K is a nice module for sure - it's always a challenge for this type of project balancing price and performance, so there are a lot of tradeoffs that go into all parts selection.
Hmm, I not sold on this upcoming offering quite yet. Perhaps it's the manner in which it was explained. The kiosk display board(s) at a recent convention were far more descriptive than this video. Notwithstanding, if it turns out being as described I'll be all in.
Not feeling the motorcycle headphone jack thing without Bluetooth capabilities as well. On a bike a rider needs to have communication via the phone and or gps device. These two devices (IPhone & GPS) are what the helmet headsets talk to. Using a wired headphone on a bike for a radar detection device is a great idea, but only as a backup to Bluetooth not the other way around.
This will be awesome and I plan to get one. But it also presents a bit of an oxymoron. With the superior filtering, it will be easy for anyone to use. It will take the user experience back to the way it used to be when there weren’t as many pollution sources. Anyone of our family members, for example, would be able to use it and understand it. At the anticipated price point, however, the market will be limited to a fraction of what it could potentially be.
Any way possible for you too pickup instant on before the actual trigger is pulled in other words and please excuse my ignorance if I'm going down a country road by myself in my vehicle and a police officer is in standby mode before he Nails me with instant on will this beautiful new machine be able to alert me I know that sounds crazy because if there is no signal out there what is there to pick up I also know and have picked up on just how smart this machine is so I did not know if it is possible for it to pick up a radar gun that is getting ready to nail me please go easy on me guys thanks for your time.
Can you please put as much on focus laser detection as radar because in my opinion there is no radar detector that is protecting us from laser. I currently run a radenso pro and escort max30c in Detroit and recently received a ticket for speeding and neither radar picked up the laser. This particular cop is using a laser gun everyday at a specific location and I never pick him up. Can you explain how this radar detector is going to do a better job picking up radar as well as laser because I am INTERESTED in purchasing at least 20 of these for a fleet of vehicles I manage at a company. Thanks in advance
Windshield mount lidar will never be effective. They aren't aiming high at your windshield. Modern solar glazes block infrared. Lidar takes a third second or less to lock in a speed -- warning of the ticket you just got. Detectors in commercial vehicles are federal infractions.
Please don't make it the same form factor as the max360 or even the other radenso detectors. Make it look more like the R7 (larger screen, canted towards the driver).
I was 5min from finally buying a Uniden R7 for $450 today. Decided to hold out, and wait for Theia. How long is that wait going to be? How much should I save up? Will there be powered mirror adapters, mounts available? So many questions and the eternal hope that it’ll be worth the wait. Halfway through the video, hopefully there are answers to these questions by the end. Super excited...
Lol, just watched the 1/3/20 video.. off to buy that R7 now. And start saving up for Theia. Feeling like this is gonna be $2k or so, if I’m lucky. Worth it, but $$$
It is an Apple Watch indeed. Theia notifications... hmm. I've heard requests before for this. Unsure if it's possible? Open Source with UI could perhaps allow someone to build that? - Min
Nope, they won't. We don't have time frame yet but if you'd like to be notified when pre-orders are open you can sign up for our mailing list here: radenso.com/products/radenso-theia
I'm a huge Uniden fan and I currently own their R7 but I kind lost hope with them since Kuni left. Updates are slow and the last one 1.29 as beta has some issues. I see myself switching teams at this point. Looks like Theia will be a breakthrough product in radar detector world. Uniden, Escort should be seriously worried at this point.
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Fun to watch the process of thoughtful product development.
I just got into Radar Detectors again and was hyped for Thia when I first heard about her. After seeing this I’m even more pumped. Now let’s see what the price ends up being 🤔
Game changer. Uniden, escort, and valentine take note....
Groundbreaking tech in a RD with scalable design. I'm sold. I'm on the mailing list for preorder details. Hoping it is out for the summer road trip season!!!
Definitely love the updates. You guys are doing it right. What a great project.
Cannot WAIT for this to ship!!!! This will be my first new detector in about 10 years!!! :-) Side note: LOVE the nail color!!!!
Keep up the good work! Congrats.
Glad I waited I was about to buy the 360c or the uniden r7 iam waiting for this one
Fantastic Radenso, so cool to watch and learn along the way. I always enjoyed Fridays but now even more with a Theia update!
I can't wait to order one! FYI, please up the audio level! :)
Great video....thanks for keeping us updated.
Honestly, I think you guys are doing a great job with every function of the detector. I've been running detectors for a decade now since I started driving and Theia incorporates everything we always wished for! This will be a huge game changer and I'll be recommending nothing but Theia to all my friends/family. Cant wait! Put me on the list for two please 🤣🤣
11:56 this moment tells you really care about your customers, amazing thought process guys.
Thanks man, appreciate your support in what we're doing! - Min
Hi guys! Will you ship this detected to Europe as well?
Will it be undetectable by spectre elite?
Radar Detectors EU I’m really into this too, think that Genevo is tooo expensive for Europe
We cannot comment on any of this just yet, thanks for following!
This is very exciting. Really unheard of in today's manufacturing world. Strong interaction with consumers. The very best components. Best engineering talent available. All of this results in an excellent top tier radar detector. I understand the tremendous capital in terms of R and D, and components. Take your time with this complex product. Your potential buyers should be able to understand how this will most likely cost north of 1k, and this is reasonable. Until then, I will use my segmented old Redline with K band turned off.
240atomic They’d be crazy to launch this north of $1k. I’d be willing to bet it will be at top of market, alongside Max 360c at like $649-$699.
Looks like Theia is coming along just fine. I cannot wait for it to come out. Even if I live out in the boonies - still have K band false signals. Please make sure you add K band farmer tractor radar signals to your data base.
We are fricken stoked too. Seriously. I also live in the boonies and farm equipment is one of the items we've been looking at. Good ole John Deere's cast of some fab radar, in the same bands police RD use. We're on it! -Min
@@RadensoRadar Good to hear your on it. I figured you would be but just in case you 'might' have missed it. Thought I would say sometime. I am a 20+ years V1 owner. A local detector / jammer (I mean parking sensor) tester. Been using detectors since the days of the Radar Sentry (S and X bands) from the early 70's. Take care and I'll be waiting for your detector to come out. Spin
How are you cooling this thing? I'm thinking windshield in the summer time type of hot.. Will it be made out of a metal case that acts as a heat-sink and also blocks leaking RF to make it stealth? That's what I would do. Could put some plastic on there on the edges for places to grab it that'll stay cooler so people don't burn their hands.
So excited for Theia.
Love it. So excited to see the results of intelligent radar detector design this year. Thank you all!
Are you guys going to come up with any unique mounting options?
I really can't wait for this to come out
How many color possibilities will the detector have? just curious.
Wow, having never hearing your name until very recently and having my doubts when compared to uniden and Escort. But seeing these videos, including us in your production stages and saying what your goals are for it have me on the pre-order waiting list
Will the CPU run hot how will it cool will this effect the detector
I was wondering the same thing as it would be on your dashboard in the sun. These RD's cook and I don't think CPU"s like heat. Maybe make it a lighter color non reflective.
Could it also be a laser shifter? Would that a potential add-on module?
Laser jammers must be a physical sensor mounted on the outside of the car so no, a windshield detector can never jam laser. However, we do plan to try and add ALP integration to Theia.
Awesome because I have an ALP! Good news!
I'm sure your considering that the RD components are going to be running in temps up to and over 180 degrees, cooking on a dashboard? Just worried about longevity of a PC running in those temperatures. A black dash in Florida summer sun can cook things...always wondered why RD's were not a light non reflective color.
Hi. I just wanted to ask about heat dissipation. I know your design takes into account internal heat generation but what about heat from the sun. I sit my detector on my dash. It’s a V1 and it gets hot enough to burn fingers. Since heat is the mortal enemy of anything electronic, I wanted to hear from you about what, if any, steps you have taken regarding this. Will you be testing in extreme heat?
What if you would make it possible to connect bluetooth ear buds to Theia. Just a thought.
This is great. I hope you’ll ship it to Europe as well once it’s released. I need to get rid of my old escort and its false alerts...
I would like to see an onboard internal microphone in addition to the line-in / microphone plug. The plug would be more useful for motorcycle riders, while an onboard one would be more useful for vehicle drivers. Inside a vehicle, most of us typically want as few wires running to our gadgets as possible. If it could come with an onboard microphone that could allow for voice control and auto-volume adjustment (based on road noise and your music playing in your car), that would be fantastic to have the ability to do that WITHOUT having to be linked to your mobile phone with bluetooth (and be reliant on your mobile phones microphone).
Hello from Ann Arbor. Ready to trade in my R7.
Question....what will you do to combat thermal issues? Every detector I've had gets so hot....and that is true even in the winter and with cloudy weather.
Also, the FCC approved Galileo satelites for the US....any chance of future proofing to allow Galileo?
Did you notice any performance affect when your detectors ran hot in the past? Stay tuned! We will be showing a video later with how the case is constructed, ventilation etc. -Min
@@RadensoRadar no performance decrease but I work for a thermal Management company and I know chips hate heat and PCBs can do strange things when they get too hot.
Will additional mounts be available so i can quicky change from one car to another?
Assuming you're talking about extra windshield mounts? Indeed but it will be after launch of Theia. :) - Min
@@RadensoRadar ,yes i was talking about extra windshield mounts
Hi, you mentioned the modular design and this sounds great. I was wondering how/if it was going to impact the sales part of it. For example the GPS, since blocking encounters with retail auto door openers and such, will no longer be required with Theia, can this unit be purchased without an GPS?
Theia will be sold with one version with GPS included. GPS will be needed for other functions. -Randy
Can you design theia to give distance information. How far a signal is away relative to its signal strength. Ie ka band 1021 feet and be able to track the signal source distance with the ramp up
Love her smile😆, usb c port on the right or on the left?
I can’t wait.
Kudos to Mindy for the Kimi phone case!
It's kinda our M.O here at Radenso home base. Andddd Kimi is a bad ass. - Min
Can you please give a update on theia
Hi Steven, unfortunately we don’t have any updates at this time. As long as you are subscribed to our Radenso Theia pre-order email list, you’ll be the first to know of any updates including when Theia pre-orders will begin, thank you!
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Thank you! -Randy
Great video! Thank you both. Can't wait for this device to launch. :) It would be rally nice if you could configure a jammer to work with this device down the road. Good luck and God bless
Hey HC, glad you dig it! It's been a fun project for us. We're hoping to integrate with AL Priority laser jammers, however since Theia is still a work in progress we haven't tested it yet. Stay tuned! -Min
@@RadensoRadar Smart and beautiful. You couldn't ask for more in a radar detector or it's inventors :) Keep up the great work
How long does development of something like this take? In this position to release? Ball park of 3-6, 6-12 months?
It really depends on a huge number of factors! There isn't really any possible way to estimate development until you get further along.
Radenso Radar once the design is finalized, and you’re calling it ready to go. How long to ramp up production to meet demand? Assuming you’re aware everyone wants one!
Tom Phillips You’ll know when we announce pre-orders ;)
Ok this idea is out there but would it be possible to link to an aftermarket head unit to have the audio come through the car speakers and mute music during alerts? Even better would be the alerts displayed on screen? I have a pioneer deck that can display info for car functions like hvac and guages.
Anything is possible with Theia since it is open source and has major computing power! First goal is though out of the box to detect radar using AI though!
Sodimm cpus remind me of vintage computers. Can't believe after 20 years its back.
Is it possible to stack daughter boards with interconnects such the height is increased and length decreased? Would that reduce footprint and improve the form factor ? Thinking it would support a taller OLED screen and reduce depth.
We are actually stacking boards....showing that will be in a future video. Note that the FPGA is not on the motherboard ;) That's why the Samtech connector is so important, a normal connector wouldn't be high performance enough to make this strategy work.
Radenso Radar Thanks. Are you able to reduce the depth of the chassis at all? IMHO a taller one would benefit us more than a deep suitcase.
@@FlatSixBoosted not without losing sensitivity. The horn is the limiting factor. The pcb is exactly the same length as the horn.
wHAT RANGE, HOW WILL IT HANDLE THE LOW FREQUENCY Red/Dragon eye they use for photo radar? wHAT ABOUT Instant ON?
Please consider making the enclosure water resistant (IPX5) for motorcyclists.
Will Theia speaks several languages like french/spanish ? For those living in banarea , would it be a way to get all the infos spell out or send to a secret module/screen since the rd has to be hidden ?
Theia is basically a computer so adding languages is a cake walk. If you need to have a hidden/remote radar detector, we would recommend the Radenso RC M for now.
@@RadensoRadar , my friend @rdf uses one and loves it . I use R1 . Thanks a lot for your responsiveness = a lot of Future for Theia .
Wow, it's big compared to what I'm used to from Radenso (Pro M, Pro SE, etc). Looks promising!
I think using Bluetooth 5.0 is more important than a headphone jack. Also, are you coming with a USB C direct plugin for remote install?
Theia will have bluetooth and a headphone jack. We haven't started any development yet for a remote install, we have to finish Theia first!
Can it detect a Spectre? In other words, is it also an RDDD?
We don't know yet as Theia is still in development.
Will this have arrows indicating where the threat is coming from? Its not on the FAQ
Hi Matthew, it will have arrows and is mentioned in the FAQ
You mentioned modular design, will this be available in a remote configuration like an RC M? I live in a state where radar detectors are illegal and don’t want a detector mounted on my windshield as it looks very obvious. Theia is extremely fascinating. Best of luck with the product.
You can find the answer to this and many more questions in our Theia FAQ here: radenso.com/products/radenso-theia
Nice job with this video series and I'm definitely intrigued.
Also, you know you can look directly at the camera lens if you want, right? :)
They're reading cue cards off to the side....
@@BlitzK I know I'm just teasing. Seriously it's super appreciated that they're doing this at all.
Lol, we have a monitor set up so we can see ourselves and check if we are moving out of the camera frame...it's tempting to stare at it sometimes instead of the lens!
Set the monitor right next to the camera.
Increase your volume please.
The sockets are already mass-produced with no concerns about errors in pin pitch. Adding sodimm pads to a board is probably the easiest part of the whole thing as it would be the first pads place. My V1 has had a headphone jack for 10+ years.
You are correct that adding a Sodimm was the easy part relative to high speed FPGA layout, but I am trying to simplify things for a general audience that doesn't even know what a Trace is. Your Valentine one does not have a microphone jack, and also has less than 70mhz of processing power compared to Theia which has over 6ghz with vastly more IPC, plus a Spartan 7 fpga and a 14 bit 65msps ADC that alone costs more than the entire V1.
Radenso Radar definitely the processing power of the Theia will be greater, it is 10 years newer than my V1 that DOES have a built in HEADPHONE output, but yes, no mic. I'm eagerly waiting the release to RIP it apart and start building off of it, but with higher powered AI to include plate tag reading, which locally can be used to identify any law enforcement vehicle by looking for a specific colour and number that all police vehicles have. On top of that will be some statistics logged regarding time, date, location a particular plat was spotted, along with just mass dump as much raw data to analyze for patterns that may be useful as part of my detection algorithm. Only 5 watts of power required to run with a nvidia GPU module designed for real time live AI. I see a fairly basic rockchip and some unpopulated BGA spots. Those where the actual AI processor will live?
Odd to see the rockchip board where a high performance nvidia GPU designed for AI would also fit, though unlikely the pin mapping would be the same.
Glad I held off on a current model, largely due to appearance, which I know is not the best metric, but allowing the open development on this detector is going to allow some of us to really change the radar world. 4 arrows for 360? Nah, I'll push it to 12 and give a precise direction. Modify my cars reverse camera for video input and feed it visual information extracted from the radar detector via the 5 watt GPU used solely for AI calculations.
Very excited.
@@RadensoRadar How does Theia have 6GHz processor speed? That is higher than pretty much any desktop chip, and the Rockchip shown on the board is your standard Android/Linux TV set-top box chipset. At least that is its intended use and can be found super cheap on Amazon. You're getting screwed on parts though if a low 14-bit resolution ADC cost much at all. Microchip has many, same speed but higher resolution, and about 1/100th the cost of a V1. A spartan FPGA is very common, and not the price of a v1. v7 a Spartan®-7 FPGA Evaluation Board is only $196, and that's not just the IC, but the price for those two parts should only be a fraction of a V1. As for an ADC " 20-Bit 1.6Msps Low Power SAR ADC with Fully-Differential Unipolar Input" $30 I'm guessing the FPGA and ADC are on the other side of the module, or just not populated. The speed of the detector isn't a good metric to use for comparison whatsoever. We went to the moon with the tiniest fraction of CPU power we have now, and our radars are not going to the moon, so at some point, you are just wasting clock cycles/power/coding inefficiently. Didn't use a Xilinx DPU (deep learning processor) on board at all Xilinx also has a DNNDK, a TySOM-3A-ZU19EG and an FMC-ADAS daughter card; which provides interfaces and peripherals for 5x HSD cameras, RADAR, LIDAR and ultrasonic sensors. Now that would have been sweet. Still excited to use Theia for the basic AI and radar functionality, then tie in a SBC with GPU to display an interface on the car's infotainment system. No silly cellphone needed, and the addition of identification of visual threats, and other features that I haven't thought of, but analyzing the raw logs should help shed some light on additional features of uses. Fun stuff.
@@lostintheelectricalaisle5318 The arm processor is a quad core 1.5ghz, which gives you 6ghz of total available processing power.
As for the ADC, the one you provided wouldn't work because Theia is looking at so much bandwidth instantaneously. We can't use an ADC with a low sample rate; further, it needs to be a I/Q ADC because Theia is a quadrature receiver - so it's looking at 130MSPS effectively. Our ADC is about $40-50 depending on where you purchase it, and the entire COGS of the V1 are in that range. For reference, a V1 costs about $50-60 to make, a Max 360C costs about $130 to make, and the R3 costs about $100.
Processing power is actually a very good metric to compare detectors with because it is directly related to sensitivity. For Theia, the faster the clock speed is, the faster the AI inferences. We are not wasting clock cycles with Theia - you downclock the processor, your inference time goes up. But even for traditional detectors, processing power allows you to do things like oversampling and decimation, create FFTs faster, and run more advanced digital filters (not on the V1 obviously, but on the R3 and Max 360) to get software gain. You can't do that if you don't have the processing power available.
The reason we don't use the Xilinx deep learning stuff is because it's very poorly supported, and we made a decision to keep the AI off of the FPGA to ensure long-term company sustainability. Fitting our AI model into a FPGA would require a very expensive, very large FPGA and that FPGA would then be a complicated, multi-function device - internally handling AI plus multiple other IP Cores relating to usb, DSP, etc. Finding good FPGA engineers is difficult - for example, when Escort's left the company for Boeing, they have been unsuccessfully trying to fix their lockup issues for three years now. Doing FPGAs correctly is so difficult that they simply don't know how to do it, and we wanted to prevent that from happening to us down the road. Our FPGA is a single-purpose device - DSP - and is done in a way that if something happens to our FPGA engineer, it will be possible for another one to easily step into his role.
We did look at using the Xilinx Zynq series, which are FPGAs with onboard ARM processors, but those processors weren't fast enough (only dual core, about 1ghz). We need a quad core to get inferencing time where we wanted it to be.
And again, stuff like TPUs and other AI accelerators - sure, they would work, but I would have to add multiple hundred dollars to the MSRP for zero benefit (we already have latency very low), so why? Theia is a purpose built device.
10:10 My DFR7 has a headphone jack.. lots of detectors have headphone jacks don't they? Audio in (mic) not so much but headphone jack? Yeah lots of them do. Glad it will have it though! Bluetooth speaker alerts would be cool.
Wireless headphones in my helmet for alerts would be cool. Bluetooth alerts on my car stereo would be cool too.
Will this have directional support?
Check out the Radenso Theia FAQ for your answer ;) - radenso.com/products/radenso-theia
@radenso radar My question wasn't on the FAQ.
matthew patton Hey Matthew, if you look at the fourth question you’ll find your answer ;)
Ah thank you. I skimmed over that one.
Integration with info-tanment systems? Hide the detector internal display, (Similar to v1 concealed display except right with the cars display...)
Anything is possible with Theia since it is open source and has major computing power!
What would be even more groundbreaking would be having the possibility of IR input.
No, not for a remote control. But FLIR roadside detection. I'll let you think about it...
so glad they're using usbc. I really hate new techcoming with microusb ports.
Looking good! How about a suggestion for a display? Why not make it detachable, similar to the RCM? Allow users to detach the display from the detector proper and move the display to a dock with the same interface. Now we have a dock and display that we can mount wherever we want and a detector we can mount away from prying eyes as well. If we want to bring the detector to another car, simply detach the display from the dock, reattach it to the detector and go.
Great suggestion, but extremely tricky from a size and cost perspective. Would need to add additional micros in the detachable face plate, and do a bunch with USB - remember, the RC M isn't sending screen data through the detachable pins, but rather through a usb cable. Maybe in a future product, but this would take 6 months minimum to implement.
Will the final release version will be based on the SODIMM design? Is this for reduced cost of development reasons or do you have plans to offer upgraded boards in the future? Or will you move to a fully integrated single board before release? And if the SODIMM design stays, being in a horizontal position like that, I would be a little worried about long-term vibration issues affecting board seating, retention clips breaking, etc. because of it being jostled around on the window of a moving car.
But, yeah, this looks awesome! Getting more excited for this with every new video. Keep up the good work!
The final version is SODIMM, and there will be standoffs and screws to deal with NVH.
one thing i noticed is the use of the NEO-8Q GPS Module has it been thought about using something like the ZED-F9K for dead reckoning (my max 360 has gps issues due to tunnels and stuff) and even using that imu for things like collision notifications to phones via wifi etc also if i recall the neo 8 series doesn't support the new GPS bands L2C and L5 while probably not useful in a radar detector GPS future satellites might not include L1 and while the 8 series does glonass and stuff it would be nice to see at least L2C for future proofing if u taking the time do use a sodimm SoC Module another thing that would be cool to include but i don't know how practical is a NB-LTE/LTE-M/LTE-CAT1 radio
sorry for rambling but this is what i would do in making Theia and u asked for comments and suggestions
Thanks for your comments! The ZED-F9K is a nice module for sure - it's always a challenge for this type of project balancing price and performance, so there are a lot of tradeoffs that go into all parts selection.
I think you're going to need someone to test it in the west coast of Canada (Vancouver area) I volunteer my services. 😁
You know, we have been having this offered very frequently recently!
I am sure lots of people are offering...
@@RadensoRadar I could test it in Europe, in Romania more specifically, here radar uses similar K band as in USA but also some laser guns :)
Hmm, I not sold on this upcoming offering quite yet. Perhaps it's the manner in which it was explained. The kiosk display board(s) at a recent convention were far more descriptive than this video. Notwithstanding, if it turns out being as described I'll be all in.
Ok let's just start pre orders now ?
It's tempting, but we don't want to hold on to people's money for an excessively long time.
Not feeling the motorcycle headphone jack thing without Bluetooth capabilities as well.
On a bike a rider needs to have communication via the phone and or gps device. These two devices (IPhone & GPS) are what the helmet headsets talk to.
Using a wired headphone on a bike for a radar detection device is a great idea, but only as a backup to Bluetooth not the other way around.
Theia is going to have bluetooth. We are motorcycle riders too ;) We still wanted to have a headphone jack just incase for a extra option
@@RadensoRadar i like that versatility
Undectability???? ... will Theia be immune to known detector detectors?
That is the plan, still in development though!
something i would like to see, remote display, for those who want to "hide" the detector and have a hidden display somewhere else.
Theia may scratch your itch. If not, stay tuned as a full custom install is planned down the road. -Min
This will be awesome and I plan to get one. But it also presents a bit of an oxymoron. With the superior filtering, it will be easy for anyone to use. It will take the user experience back to the way it used to be when there weren’t as many pollution sources. Anyone of our family members, for example, would be able to use it and understand it. At the anticipated price point, however, the market will be limited to a fraction of what it could potentially be.
Any way possible for you too pickup instant on before the actual trigger is pulled in other words and please excuse my ignorance if I'm going down a country road by myself in my vehicle and a police officer is in standby mode before he Nails me with instant on will this beautiful new machine be able to alert me I know that sounds crazy because if there is no signal out there what is there to pick up I also know and have picked up on just how smart this machine is so I did not know if it is possible for it to pick up a radar gun that is getting ready to nail me please go easy on me guys thanks for your time.
The Hertz is named after the German physicist Heinrich Hertz.
Because this detector is a computer, could you add a dash cam via WiFi connection capable. 🤷♂️
Absolutely! The sky is the limit to what you can do!
You guys need some sunshine 🌞
Audio level is very poor for phone viewers
Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully we've corrected it and you can tell the difference in future videos. -Min
Hopefully I can stick it in a RAM mount like my DFR7! 🤞 crossing fingers.. Can see it here JzWHr1NKFBc
ROCKCHIP 3328 PML!!!
Can you please put as much on focus laser detection as radar because in my opinion there is no radar detector that is protecting us from laser. I currently run a radenso pro and escort max30c in Detroit and recently received a ticket for speeding and neither radar picked up the laser. This particular cop is using a laser gun everyday at a specific location and I never pick him up. Can you explain how this radar detector is going to do a better job picking up radar as well as laser because I am INTERESTED in purchasing at least 20 of these for a fleet of vehicles I manage at a company. Thanks in advance
Windshield mount lidar will never be effective. They aren't aiming high at your windshield. Modern solar glazes block infrared. Lidar takes a third second or less to lock in a speed -- warning of the ticket you just got. Detectors in commercial vehicles are federal infractions.
Please don't make it the same form factor as the max360 or even the other radenso detectors. Make it look more like the R7 (larger screen, canted towards the driver).
Before anyone comments, the overwhelming majority of sales will be to left hand drive countries. Sorry, we're not sorry.
I was 5min from finally buying a Uniden R7 for $450 today. Decided to hold out, and wait for Theia. How long is that wait going to be? How much should I save up? Will there be powered mirror adapters, mounts available? So many questions and the eternal hope that it’ll be worth the wait. Halfway through the video, hopefully there are answers to these questions by the end. Super excited...
Lol, just watched the 1/3/20 video.. off to buy that R7 now. And start saving up for Theia. Feeling like this is gonna be $2k or so, if I’m lucky. Worth it, but $$$
@@tomphillips7858 someone asked that they hope it won't be over 1k and they said, "I think you'll be happy" sounds to me that it will be under 1k
Hey Mindy, is that an Apple Watch? Theia notifications maybe?
It is an Apple Watch indeed. Theia notifications... hmm. I've heard requests before for this. Unsure if it's possible? Open Source with UI could perhaps allow someone to build that? - Min
Radenso Radar Would be cool for sure!
Mindy , such as sweet gal!
Meh. She's ok ;) -Mindi
will law enforcement ever stop using radar and just use laser .when will you start taking pre orders
Nope, they won't. We don't have time frame yet but if you'd like to be notified when pre-orders are open you can sign up for our mailing list here: radenso.com/products/radenso-theia
@@MaFTB thank you for the info
Humans are lazy. Radar allows them to be lazy and is convenient for doing other things.
I'm a huge Uniden fan and I currently own their R7 but I kind lost hope with them since Kuni left. Updates are slow and the last one 1.29 as beta has some issues. I see myself switching teams at this point. Looks like Theia will be a breakthrough product in radar detector world. Uniden, Escort should be seriously worried at this point.