Not really too much long levels and too much platforming does not mean it's better level design. To say that this silly level design is better than mortar canyons side open space and stunning,shunning visuals on a high-speed boost-leaping blue hedgehog is absolutely insane.!
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agree, sonic forces has the worst level design in entire serie.
Emora Nightmare westopolis is one of my favourites. Used to find it repetitive cause you had to beat it a hundred times but tbh do we not all play the first level or area of a game countless times with the same song, green hill, etc
Shadow: I'll make you wish you'd never created me! E-123 Omega: Eggman is my enemy! We must find and eliminate him! Dr. Eggman: This lava flow will prevent anyone from sneaking into my base! Shadow: Why would he build a base in a place like this? E-123 Omega: Temperature rising! Overheat warning! Dr. Eggman: Pretty ingenious, huh? Nobody would expect a base to be built inside an active volcano!
“I am Custom The Character. I was created by a Sonic fan to fulfil their hopes and dreams of creating their own original character for the Sonic universe! This is who I am! (Evil laugh)”
The best part was when you swung on the grapple points. Like actually had to time to swing to the next one. Something simple but it keeps players engaged.
“Nice to see you, Shadow Android! And you too, Omega! It certainly looks as if you’ve, well, done quite a bit of damage down there. But do you really think yhat YOU could challenge ME?”
Eggman: Nice to see you, member of the "pwecious" Resistance. It certainly looks as if you're...well, done quite a bit of damage down there. _appears in Egg Dealer_ _Infinite appears alongside him_ But, do you really think you can challenge us? Custom hero: Eggman! Infinite! You both will regret taking our beautiful world and tearing it all apart. You're both going straight to Hell! Eggman: Why you little...you're nothing but a mangy rodnet! Once we're done with you, you'll be thrown in the pound! You will feel our wrath!
I'm kinda hoping that Sonic Team at least tries to do something like this, take the engine they have, and build on it to make better levels. Still cool to see this game getting modded though.
Shadow has gotten to be really arrogant and cruel. He used to be a hero. But not look what he did to zero (infinite). He killed his family And brutalized him and destroyed his soul...
I can say, this level mod show us what was one of Force's main problems. It's bland semi-automatic level designs. I say Force would've been much better if it had better level design. After all, the potential for the game is there, but Sega/Sonic team needed to work out the glaring clinks that holds back the game. Of course having a more experience level designer on the game's staff would've help out a lot.
This is amazing! If Sega took levels from modders (with permitted use of coarse) and make a dlc story where you play as the custom character going to all these old eggman baces and shutting them down for good.
Great mod, but I have to disagree with people saying it's better level design Forces. Yes, it's longer, but it's almost completely linear (literally "on rails" most of the time) which is what people complain about the most.
The on-rails/linear style of gameplay CAN be good as we've seen from Sonic Unleashed Daytime stages. The reactionary timing sections are what can make or break this formula. This level, while extremely cool to look at and having many nice set pieces doesn't have enough of these reaction sections (although there are a few and I'm sure speed running it will highly this theory)..
You know when your team sucks, When they don't even have proper training ground for newbies/rookies, and just throw them into the action and hope that they don't die. You guys just made the whole aspect of war with no one dying or even get seriously injured and the world looking even more crap than it already is. Here's a thought: If can't do it... Then DON'T... EVEN... TRY!!!
@@wanderingsoul1940 Yeah ok background characters, and let's see if I look back at it, if it can give me a reaction. If not then I'll still stick to my original comment.
What Forcers coulda, shoulda, Woulda been If Sega didn’t send out a half @$$ed Game I love that an Amazing modded like you can do game design better than Sega
Why everyone in comments sez that Snoc Forces sucks? I mean i know, there is some better games that this one like Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations but... guys... Sonic Boom exist
It's just the fanbase's current punching bag. Give it some time, things will change. It happened to Unleashed, Shadow, Black Knight, and even 06 of all games. No doubt that opinions of Forces will change in due time.
Boom may be a thing, but as bad as it is, it went in a completely different direction than the average present day Sonic game. THIS game however, went back to the boost mechanic after a 5 year absence & it was complete shit. Some shit you could do in Unleashed, Colors & Generations is completely nonexistent here, no light dash, no drifting (& 1 specific stage suffers GREATLY from criticism due to the missing mechanic), etc. No evolution in gameplay, just a massive downgrade. Even with Classic Sonic as a crutch, there's no saving this game (especially considering the fact that gameplay wise he's the worst part). Nothing but another game that falls into the whole "It's the 4th game, but a bootleg version of the 3RD game" stereotype, alongside Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath Of Cortex: it tries to do what the previous game did, with 1 or 2 new things, but still fails spectacularly. Admittedly, we've got to give 'em credit tho, it was a pretty ballsy move to tease the possibility of Sonic Generations 3 at the end "Don't worry Tails, I'm sure we'll run into him again". Personally, I wouldn't risk it.
@@DSmith3279 Shadow The Hedgehog, Black Knight and 06 are still regarded as awful games even by most Sonic fans. Unleashed is also still just as divisive today as it was when it came out. Forces gets hated on but its a laughably bad game and perfectly demonstrates how out of touch with the fanbase Sonic Team are.
@@cahan7033 Really? Because what I've been seeing around lately is people saying Unleashed is the best modern game and one of the best games in the series. Even Black Knight and somehow 06 are getting more love and are now being regarded as underrated. Just looking at the trend I see from Sonic fans, the same treatment will happen to Forces in due time... Also I HEAVILY disagree with your opinion on Forces being awful. Can you elaborate on why you feel that way?
To think that Shadow the Hedgehog has better level design than Forces
I need to disagree with you
Not really too much long levels and too much platforming does not mean it's better level design. To say that this silly level design is better than mortar canyons side open space and stunning,shunning visuals on a high-speed boost-leaping blue hedgehog is absolutely insane.!
agree, sonic forces has the worst level design in entire serie.
@ You know, Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric exist...
@@akk1457 ~baby fan detected~
Levels from Shadow look really fitting in forces, especially with the custom character.
If you saw some of the other levels though...not so much, as this is the best level in that game.
@@Densester *sky troops would want to have a talk with you*
@Sonic the Artist it's... A joke.
@@Densester As a fan of this "fan favorite" game, I think GUN Fortress would look great as a level for the OC
And this this is what i call a level. At least better than original Sonic Forces levels
“The computer room is up ahead.”
First of all, that’s a different level. Second, I feel like Vector should be the one to say this line.
The computer room line is actually in Forces during Network Terminal
1:54 Amy: So far, so good
Sonic of the "Sonic adventure 2": Hey! that is my line!
Sonic Heroes*
Diogo Nascimento actually dude, he’s not wrong. “So far, so good!” is the first line for when Sonic encounters Shadow in Green Forest in SA2*
@@TheeMentorDex i know, but the "that's my line" line are from Sonic Heroes*
Diogo Nascimento then yes. We are A L L right**
*A L L* right!*
I don't remember most of the voice clips being in forces. where are they from?
Samet Hayranoglu nice!👍
@Sonicthehedgehoggamer Ah yes now I see
@Samet Hayranoglu wow
How did he activate the voice clips to show up?
@@ccateni28 I think he put them in the main game folder and they automatically activated
I love the lava shelter music
Same!
Westopolis is my number 1 too
Emora Nightmare westopolis is one of my favourites. Used to find it repetitive cause you had to beat it a hundred times but tbh do we not all play the first level or area of a game countless times with the same song, green hill, etc
Tactician Magician I can play the song on my electric guitar and real quick i found out that Stephen hiligenburg the creator of spongebob passed away.
Emora Nightmare oooo that sounds sweeeeet,
And man, I heard, way too young, way too young. He made many childhoods :(
Shadow: I'll make you wish you'd never created me!
E-123 Omega: Eggman is my enemy! We must find and eliminate him!
Dr. Eggman: This lava flow will prevent anyone from sneaking into my base!
Shadow: Why would he build a base in a place like this?
E-123 Omega: Temperature rising! Overheat warning!
Dr. Eggman: Pretty ingenious, huh? Nobody would expect a base to be built inside an active volcano!
Ahh yes another thing Sonic Team could have added to Sonic forces
Yep
You mean level design with *some* effort?
I have a question why do fans try harder than the people actually make Sonic games?
How wouled it fit in the story?
@@Sonicice24 instead of going to the chemical plant this is where Sonic or the OC would go
If the custom hero killed Eggman instead of Shadow
“I am Custom The Character.
I was created by a Sonic fan to fulfil their hopes and dreams of creating their own original character for the Sonic universe!
This is who I am!
(Evil laugh)”
This level is so nostalgic it makes me remember back in the old days when I used to play Shadow The Hedgehog 9
Shadow the hedgehog 9? What dimension are you living in
@@mephilesthedark3760 The dimension where edgelords ruled
bruh no spoilers i haven’t play shadow the hedgehog 2 - 8
The best part was when you swung on the grapple points. Like actually had to time to swing to the next one. Something simple but it keeps players engaged.
2:28 Yeah me too Charmy.
I liked how the mod is layered out, looks like it can fit in episode shadow
Hey look, A level port that actually works on forces! you don't see those everyday!
“Nice to see you, Shadow Android! And you too, Omega! It certainly looks as if you’ve, well, done quite a bit of damage down there. But do you really think yhat YOU could challenge ME?”
Its quite hard to accept but its better than what nowadays Sonic Team can do
@Sonicthehedgehoggamer Nah, I think it's pretty close at the *least*
jamershinobioneobi02 thats the point thoose edits were pretty good
I like that they mixed up the voices clips.
it's incredible how this looks better than any other stage in the game
I love how at 0:32 right after Shadow says "relax it's no big deal", the Rookie loses his rings. Is that not perfect timing or what?
How do you get the rookie to be in the Lost Valley/Lava Shelter level? Everytime I boot your Lava Shelter mod, I can only play as Sonic or Shadow.
Shadow: Dammit
MARIO SONIC DAMN NOT HERE
WHERE'S THAT DAMN FOURTH CHAOS EMERALD?
Shad *ow* *the* h *edge* hog
Shadow the hedgehog remastered and I’m happy for life 😭😭😂like fr tho 3D sonic games remastered is my dream
Eggman: Nice to see you, member of the "pwecious" Resistance. It certainly looks as if you're...well, done quite a bit of damage down there. _appears in Egg Dealer_ _Infinite appears alongside him_ But, do you really think you can challenge us?
Custom hero: Eggman! Infinite! You both will regret taking our beautiful world and tearing it all apart. You're both going straight to Hell!
Eggman: Why you little...you're nothing but a mangy rodnet! Once we're done with you, you'll be thrown in the pound! You will feel our wrath!
Dude, that is so cool! So far, saw Westopolis, now this one!
Shadow: relax, it’s no big deal.
Player: *proceeds to get shot by an enemy still*
I'm kinda hoping that Sonic Team at least tries to do something like this, take the engine they have, and build on it to make better levels.
Still cool to see this game getting modded though.
this looks like that it works well with the avatars game play
Shadow has gotten to be really arrogant and cruel. He used to be a hero. But not look what he did to zero (infinite). He killed his family And brutalized him and destroyed his soul...
Basically
But hey, in the long run Infinite did get magical rock powers.
The dialogue wasn't in the original game
As always, wonderful video!
This literally looks like a stage from a Sonic Forces that had one more year of development time. Great mod!!
Shadow the Hedgehog is so underrated, they need to make Silver the Hedgehog already
That was a perfect remake
Sad how this is the best level design I've seen in Sonic Forces.
some of those voice clips i've never even heard before
I can say, this level mod show us what was one of Force's main problems. It's bland semi-automatic level designs. I say Force would've been much better if it had better level design. After all, the potential for the game is there, but Sega/Sonic team needed to work out the glaring clinks that holds back the game. Of course having a more experience level designer on the game's staff would've help out a lot.
Since you can mod switch games, is it possible to use these mods on forces for switch
While likely possible, your console would likely get bricked
It is possible to mod any console, but that's difficult to pull off.
@Sonicthehedgehoggamer we know, he's asking if it could be possible to make a port
@Sonicthehedgehoggamer oh, you're that one guy, why I'm not even surprised about your comments?
most likely there would be a tutorial on youtube if not online
Every thing about that stage is awesome
This is amazing! If Sega took levels from modders (with permitted use of coarse) and make a dlc story where you play as the custom character going to all these old eggman baces and shutting them down for good.
Are these voice lines custom? I’ve never heard some of them from sonic forces before. (I’m near the ending of the game)
It's sad how Mortar Canyon is the only good stage in the game.
Now this is a level! We should just remake the whole game at this point.
When I played this level I had a memory of me on my bed trying to beat this level in shadow the hedgehog when I was little the nostalgia this brings
Shadow's quacking in his hover shoes
The sad part is the avatar can’t speak so he just looks like he’s taking shadow’s criticism
I love how Shadow is a dick to the oc in this really feels like a first mission
You mean Rail Reef Zone?
Shadow- get outta my game. NOW
Not gonna lie, that was awesome 😎
Lol shadow is jelly of the avatars skills.
U brought back my memories
Looks awesome!
This should be the actual level in forces wth
And i like how Shadow's dialogue says things as he already went to that place too lol
Is it sad that this was my favourite level in shadow the hedgehog? 😅
What is sad is that you used a period at the end of a question
Did I?
Now you did
are these unused voice lines?
I don’t remember seeing this level in forces
Is Sonic Forces available for Nintendo 3DS??
the only way to save a game from having a bad story is from gameplay which colours succeeded in but not forces
Great mod, but I have to disagree with people saying it's better level design Forces. Yes, it's longer, but it's almost completely linear (literally "on rails" most of the time) which is what people complain about the most.
The on-rails/linear style of gameplay CAN be good as we've seen from Sonic Unleashed Daytime stages. The reactionary timing sections are what can make or break this formula. This level, while extremely cool to look at and having many nice set pieces doesn't have enough of these reaction sections (although there are a few and I'm sure speed running it will highly this theory)..
Looking good
Is this over mortar cannon? Edit: I'm an idiot mortar cannon is custom character stage, what stage is the over?
Lost Valley. The first sentence in my Sonic Hacking Contest page literally says that.
Bro! you make me wanna play Shadow the Hedgehog lol
This is a real level
You know when your team sucks, When they don't even have proper training ground for newbies/rookies, and just throw them into the action and hope that they don't die. You guys just made the whole aspect of war with no one dying or even get seriously injured and the world looking even more crap than it already is.
Here's a thought: If can't do it... Then DON'T... EVEN... TRY!!!
Actually, a lot of background characters died tho.
@@wanderingsoul1940 Yeah ok background characters, and let's see if I look back at it, if it can give me a reaction. If not then I'll still stick to my original comment.
@@Aardie_Aardwolf The first cutscene with Infinite & the avatar. Most of the deaths happens off screen during the Avatar stage Capital City
Except Infinite blasted through these guys, in detail, with *big fuckin lasers.*
Really cool shadow level.
Nice 350million subscribers btw. Are we getting a special soon?
SSIIIIIIICCKKKK!!!! =D HELL YESSSSSS!!!!!
Where's dark sonic?
Forces gotta have a update on xbox one online levels
If you hace the game for ps4 how you can download the levels
You can't
@@Amsel_616 so i cant play any level presented for this guy?
@@angelarce9747 only the levels that don't appear in the base game, all the other ones are pc only mods
@@Amsel_616 wait what?
Ladies and gentlemen welcome to grind Valley
The stage look interesting
A bad game in a Quite good game
il Gamer di Sonic È non solo I think shadow the hedgehog is a good game...
@@stepha7102 maybe he meant it in the other way round?
What do you mean, Sonic Forces in Shadow or the other way around because if so, really? Shadow the Hedgehog has more effort put into it than Forces
I mean Shadow the Hedgheog in Sonic Forces is not that good
Obviously are my opinions
Temzicial true. Very true. But I did like both games.
i saw in the video you had 450 million subscribers
good stuff
Lot of rails here
1:28 ..... I saw that lol. 450M
Nice.
*SOOO MUCH RAIL GRINDING....*
I think this stage fits more in forces then in the “damn 4th emerald” game
Is about sonic
To think that knuckles mentions the computer room in Forces while vector doesn't :(
Nice mod
Sonic o-6 that you 0:36
Shadow just mumbles, I can barely hear him
What Forcers coulda, shoulda, Woulda been
If Sega didn’t send out a half @$$ed Game
I love that an Amazing modded like you can do game design better than Sega
*Deletes terebyete of selfies*
Why everyone in comments sez that Snoc Forces sucks? I mean i know, there is some better games that this one like Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations but... guys... Sonic Boom exist
It's just the fanbase's current punching bag. Give it some time, things will change. It happened to Unleashed, Shadow, Black Knight, and even 06 of all games. No doubt that opinions of Forces will change in due time.
Boom may be a thing, but as bad as it is, it went in a completely different direction than the average present day Sonic game. THIS game however, went back to the boost mechanic after a 5 year absence & it was complete shit. Some shit you could do in Unleashed, Colors & Generations is completely nonexistent here, no light dash, no drifting (& 1 specific stage suffers GREATLY from criticism due to the missing mechanic), etc. No evolution in gameplay, just a massive downgrade. Even with Classic Sonic as a crutch, there's no saving this game (especially considering the fact that gameplay wise he's the worst part). Nothing but another game that falls into the whole "It's the 4th game, but a bootleg version of the 3RD game" stereotype, alongside Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath Of Cortex: it tries to do what the previous game did, with 1 or 2 new things, but still fails spectacularly. Admittedly, we've got to give 'em credit tho, it was a pretty ballsy move to tease the possibility of Sonic Generations 3 at the end "Don't worry Tails, I'm sure we'll run into him again". Personally, I wouldn't risk it.
@@DSmith3279 Sega just has to release a game that's even worse
@@DSmith3279 Shadow The Hedgehog, Black Knight and 06 are still regarded as awful games even by most Sonic fans. Unleashed is also still just as divisive today as it was when it came out. Forces gets hated on but its a laughably bad game and perfectly demonstrates how out of touch with the fanbase Sonic Team are.
@@cahan7033 Really? Because what I've been seeing around lately is people saying Unleashed is the best modern game and one of the best games in the series. Even Black Knight and somehow 06 are getting more love and are now being regarded as underrated. Just looking at the trend I see from Sonic fans, the same treatment will happen to Forces in due time... Also I HEAVILY disagree with your opinion on Forces being awful. Can you elaborate on why you feel that way?
#gadgetthewolf