People have being asking multiple times about this, so it's time I pin a comment saying it, this has being thrown onto indefinite hiatus alongside everything else I never finished, due to me not being happy with how it was turning out all out and due to me having lost pretty much all of my motivation for most of my mod projects. For other reasons why other mod projects were axed, check this thread over on my Twitter: twitter.com/Knuxfan24/status/1095129364096868352
Look, you have no responsibility to do any of this, if you want to and can do this then that’s great! If not then that’s fine as well, good luck with everything that is going on and any tips on someone who wants to start modding sonic forces?
I understand your loss of inspiration, especially on a game like forces. But let me just say, you have made some of the best modded maps I have seen in forces. I admire people like you who go above and beyond to create content like this, and ask nothing (or almost nothing) in return. Keep on modding to your hearts content.
@@TravixMan the Super Hedgehogs are the only ones able to remember it since they were partially protected by the chaos emeralds. Tho, Silver doesn't due to rewriting his future, so basic time travel crap
“Of course I’m me. Just like how you’re you.” I would’ve liked if she’d continued with “You ARE you, right Shadow?” Then Infinite brings him to some weird illusion where he fights himself, and it’s all trying to get inside his head and mess with him, to get back at that doubt within Shadow’s mind about who he was from Heroes and STH
As i have mentioned previously, i love the idea and concept of this. Already better than Sonic Team’s idea of going ‘Green Hill with Cubes’. It’s awesome to see many different sections of different stages to represent Shadow’s past. Seeing Kingdom Valley in Null Space reminds me a lot of End of the World, where Shadow goes thru Kingdom Valley to collect the Chaos Emerald, which i’m sure why you choose it for that special reason. Would be really cool if you add End of the World for Kingdom Valley, just to nail it on the head 😄 Keep up the great work and looking forward to the final release 😁
Sonic team need a some good ideas from fans to make there game better but I do say the oc aka character create is a step UP on good idea but the levels is not a step UP even the length of it also story 🤓😬🙃😑🤔
@@samuriecooper1005 the story was good, but short. oc's were good, would have been better if you could have sonic/shadow quills. overall, thats pretty good (some stages were fun as well) most people hate it all though... "Oh LoOk SoNiC tEaM iS pRoMoTiNg DeVeAnTaRt!!!1!11!!!" its dumb. glad someone sees upsides, heh at least its not 06
Ok, this... this should’ve been a level that we wanted than the virtual reality green hill in Episode Shadow. Man, if Sonic Team should have spend 2 or 3 years than 1 year of making actual levels of the game. It would have made Forces interesting. Better backstory, nostalgia levels, and characters development for the characters.
Woah, this is neato, even has some memory dialogue. Still, the "take notes sega plox" comments are obnoxious, even a year later they still act melodramatic.
Yeah, literally using SEGA/Sonic Team's own assets/stages that they created and using a filter suddenly equals "omg better than dlc!" The mod is impressive--don't get me wrong, but these comments tell me these people don't know /anything/ about coding/modding or just haven't played any of these games to not recognize the stages and exact copied layouts.
I know right? All these turns and, instead of giving the player the choice of optimizing their run, NOPE, "we are going script everything and you are going to like it!". MEH
What ticks me off the most is there are certain parts of levels where the drift is completely automated. Not to mention the removal of the drift mechanic made the boost gameplay extremely stale...
interesting how shadow can see through infinites illusions. they should have kept this dialogue in game and made a longer level and actually capitalised on it
Imagine if the Null Space level had randomised sequences, say for example in one playthrough Infinite teleports you to the OG White Jungle, Radical Highway, and Metropolis, maybe in each playthrough it would send you to a randomised level each varying in order and what section of the level you spawn in.
it's funny because you say without drift it a proper camera that it feels difficult, but none of the games that the original level came from had drift either
@Logeenth: Live! the drift wasn't a defining feature. in generations everyone only used it because there was a bug in the engine that makes you go faster if you spam it
Atomsk Reborn™ You're forgetting the fact that those games weren't as.... Gimmicky and actually allowed you to play through the levels normally. Sonic and other characters had more freedom of movement in older games than in most recent games.
That's how you make throwbacks! I actually like how contextualized this is. How the dialogue acrually builds up more tension and contributes to the mystery.
In my opinion, it's not finished. You must work on many aspects here. But the concept is great. I love it. In my opinion, you should put the music which represents the level. I wish you good luck with this stage.
I love the idea and concept of this. The dialogue fits so well and it all feels like a proper story is being told throughout the level, which makes a nice change from mindlessly boosting through various iterations of Green Hill.
This is actually really cool. Trapped in a maze of memories with no obvious way out, with no choice but to push forward. Honestly, this level could serve as an explanation as to where the hell Shadow was up until his appearance in Forces. It'd also explain how he knows how Infinite works, having truly experienced it first hand, not that fake Green Hill stupidity. I really liked the way you used assets from previous games to make the stage. It just shows old doesn't nean bad.
I really hope you feel like returning to this mod someday because the concept is FANTASTIC. Way better then what this stage was in the actual Episode Shadow, of course if you don't want to that's perfectly understandable!!!!
It's impressive the ideas fans have for mods especially ones like this, this is really cool, I wish Sonic Team would put in a little more effort to making creative stuff like this, Matter of fact I wish they would make a new adventure style game with multiple characters
I have an idea, what if this stage start with the real Null Space that Sonic and the Avatar found themselves in and the same things happen but instead of getting out of it like Sonic and the Avatar did, Shadow is teleported to Prison Island and the other stage. That way using the Null Space music would fit and it would contrast with Sonic's and the Avatar's Null Space level. To add some suggestions hope you make this stage with the vanilla physics in mind because the platforming in Dusty Desert seems complicated and I don't personally don't like that physics mod and I kinda wish you don't rely on sections that you need the boost to reach it.
what physics mod? also i think the music switches to virtual reality (supporting me) after the first section. its just when he reset the level, it reverted back to the first theme and he didnt use any transitions to reset it after. though starting from null space is an interesting idea.
A very neat concept! I said it before and I'll say it again: Brandon Jones, Infinite Force, and KnuxFan24 should've been Sonic Team's 3 level designers (Hell even Level conceptualizers (I don't care if that's not a word I can't think of any other word to use) considering some of the cool ideas I've seen them pull of.), they know how to make something pretty creative with gameplay that's pretty limited.
This is what null space should of been! If the game revolved around this sonic and shadow going through the past making infinite seem more powerful and godly then he was in sonic forces
And by past I mean like null space making these places from memory but they'd feel broken like this is a place trying to take over your sanity doubting the character and all they could do is run until they see the light to get out, back into reality
Hmm, I mean it’s looking pretty good, but I think some of the stages that have been recently added don’t really feel appropriate. If this sequence is supposed to be Infinite tormenting Shadow, showing him past events in his life that were important, then I think stages like Kingdom Valley and Westopolis don’t really need to be here. Most of the other stages do hold relevance in Shadow’s history (Iron Jungle - Facility he was kept in for 50 years, Dusty Desert - Place where he defeated Mephilis and accepted his future, Space Gadget - Aboard the A.R.K the place he was created, Radical Highway - Where he met Sonic and The Last Way - Where he defeated Black Doom and learnt the answers of his past), levels like Kingdom Valley and Westopolis don’t really seem like levels that hold any relevance in Shadow’s history, in fact one stage I think you could add that does hold relevance to Shadow’s history is Final Fortress where they discovered all of the Shadow androids.
If we're saying that characters remember 06 in some capacity, then Kingdom Valley does have a bit of significance. It was where he obtained one of the Chaos Emeralds that saved Sonic's life in End of the World. As for Westopolis, it's where the whole Black Arms invasion started, so it seemed fitting to have it.
@@Knuxfan24 I think nobody remembers 06, except for Blaze. I think Dusty Desert and Kingdom Valley feel the most out of place. Yeah, they're memorable for Shadow, especially for Dusty Desert, but hadn't those events been erased, it would've been fine.
@@Knuxfan24 "It was where he obtained one of the Chaos Emeralds that saved Sonic's life in End of the World." It isn't as important or unique compared to the other events in Shadow's life though.
I think during some particular platforming parts, there should be some of those red energy cubes from Virtual Reality (if they can be added in 3D that is). Also the platforming in Dusty Desert feels a little shallow, there’s only one path to take and most of it just platforming on flat squares over a bottomless pit, which doesn’t really fit well in a Sonic game. Maybe you could add more paths or moving platforms, or maybe make the cube platforms giant pillars by extending them down into the abyss. These are just some suggestions to make the level design a little more organic.
Once I get good at Unreal, can I remake this concept? For example, here is the sequence: Mystic Jungle. Where it all began. Dusty Desert: His final fight with Mephiles. Last Way: Black Doom The Eggman base he was taken to. The area in the ARK where he and Sonic. White Jungle The place he was held at for 50 years. And finally, the moment Maria died, only this time, Infinite does the killing.
I honestly love this, although it feels like there are a bit too many different stages represented that just adds to Shadow's confusion which would be Infinite's intention. I really like this concept.
It would be crazy if you put Lost Impact and Maria speaks. That would be a heartbreaker, especially if it is a final stage you warp to. Either way, this is amazing, like beyond amazing.
Even though this level on a technical level isn't finished, I do love the idea that you're going for here. Exploring more into what the Phantom Ruby truly can do and calling back to earlier games to see how the boost formula works with them. I admire that.
You need to be hired on by Sega, if you were given all of those resources, you could give us possibly the greatest 3-D Sonic game ever. And that is not an exaggeration, you’ve done everything so well here!
Most impressive proofs of concept. Never would I have ever thought I'd see the day for those stages to ever appear again. The black comet was just an instant mind blower. I was like YUUUUSHHH!!! 👏👏👏👏👏 Hope one day some how some way this stuff sees the light of day.
You missed White Jungle, its always my favorite stage from Shadow playthrought in SA2 XDD but this ammount of stages all stacked together to form a mega stage? i think its enough XDD Its a very good idea making shadow go from illusion to illusion from parts of his past, and its more fitting because he barely remembers any of them so it only make sense for shadow to "follow the lead" since this could uncover more secrets from his past, also Infinite appearing at the end of each section changing the illusion to confuse you even more its quite the nice touch. But the detail i loved the most was that Jason Griffith bit there in that SA2 section and how confused Shadow was to hear that, like deep down he knew that part of his past really well and caught him off guard, that right there is real attention to detail, and i love those bits of details because it makes more believable the characters in the long run, something that Forces should had instead of focusing on being "too edgy" for its own good. A thing you could do is making Infinite fly by on each part of the stage and each time you see him flying by he summons enemies on the area, dunno if that's possible at the moment but it could be a neat thing to see, if not he just flying by like messing with shadow could be cool like the avatar Metropolitan Highway stage where he appears now and then chasing the avatar and looking it from a distance, that could add a more gloom and eerie vibe to the whole thing.
If I was part of the design crew, I’d have Shadow start in Radical Highway (Rouge contacts Shadow), then transition to Final Chase (when Shadow believes it’s all an illusion), then maybe Rail Canyon/Bullet Station (when Shadow asks what happened to Omega), Westopolis (when Shadow questions if he’s really speaking to Rouge), and finally back to the city when Omega was last heard (“I am not weak. I AM NOT WEAK. I AM NOT WEAK.”)
I like the additional dialogue. I also love the use of the other terrains here soo cool it gives us a longer better stage and more reason for shadow to have been out of comission so long despite realizing he was in illusions if sonic and avatar character get out of null space so fast
I love how you bring in different games into this level! From 06 to Adventure! Though the glitches really confuse me when he jumps and reaches some unknown place
This is incredible. It still needs the proper section transitions and modes of travel implemented of course, but you know... there's just something downright HAUNTING and unsettling about roaming through these places without any enemies, and only having to deal with stage hazards. It's so unsettling. Perhaps there also really outta be a Heroes stage and/or something from the Space Colony ARK in here somewhere...!
Imo Forces was a big fat disappointment The music was almost out of place (Almost, even then i won't lie that most of it sounds pretty awesome) Story throws everything we knew about sonic out the fucking window, also assumes that the avatar is a timid coward Classic sonic was entirely uncalled for And i could go on and on and on! But i hope you got the idea of why i don't enjoy it as much
@@detroviolet326 The story is more so a different cheese all together Since when the hell was Tails afraid to fight Chaos? And since when did torture = pillow fight? And in the face of all this even excluding the torture part, sonic would atleast take eggman seriously Also Phantom ruby makes no fucking sense and doesn't care about logic Even just the way the characters talk about it makes no sense Is it virtual reality or real!? If it's virtual then it can't really hurt you And hell you probably shouldn't even be able to see the things it conjures up Then there's a giant fucking sun, if that was real it'd scorch the whole planet apart There's plenty of simulations of the sun right in front of the earth, and none of them are pretty And i could spend a whole week typing about how Sonic Forces failed But this'll be all i say for now
The Phantom ruby is real to the person being affected. Seeing all the things hitting you send stressed to the brain. Stress can cause heart attack. Heart attack can cause death.
the torturepart is actually localisation only. (that is why sonic is so sure that the shuttle is still there,it probably was just being stuck in the cell for a few days and nothing else in the original). however,the story really is not really good. the plot might as well not exist.
What really makes me impressed is Sonic's custom dialogue tree. This "Twisted Memory" level really seems like a hell for Shadow, Infinite trying to ruin his character ark by reminding him of all the games in it.
This is how the final Episode Shadow level should’ve happened, showing Shadow’s past memories and twisted them in Infinite’s image, NOT GREEN HILL ZONE.
Hmm ... That reminds me of the Kingdom of the Wind The Castle Valley from Sonic 06. I watched it when I once teleported to the past. By the way, keep in mind that in Null Space there is nothing but only my energy cubes. Still, I like what I see now. Not Bad.
that one voice clip of sonic after the arid desert temple part brings back so much nostalgia that it made me question why Jason griffin is not voicing sonic anymore. (and even Ryan Drummond)
If you ever get back on this project again, I recommend just having a short hallway of Shadow Android's within Final Fortress as a recommendation as to what to include for Heroes. Not really a stage, but more of a transition.
....woahh... This is... Prison island... ...now it's dusty desert... Final chase, radical highway... is that lost kingdom and mystic mansion? ...ok, this is actually a lot more what I'd imagine null space to be: A prison of your own memories with no end
Ugh, the beginning of this level, why does that image haunt me? Seriously though, its really cool that you made the beginning look like the beginning of a stage from shadow the hedgehog.
i love the concept, i'd love it more to see it get fleshed out, the stages are there and a small story seems to be there too, now all this needs is plenty of time to evolve
So I'm like "no one is trying to make shadow the hedgehog levels look good which is why people are trying to get 06 to be good" But I'm wrong apparently. After forces came out everyones doing it...YOU PUT THE LAST WAY IN THIS GAME?! That seems really cool to me. aw I'm really liking this
People have being asking multiple times about this, so it's time I pin a comment saying it, this has being thrown onto indefinite hiatus alongside everything else I never finished, due to me not being happy with how it was turning out all out and due to me having lost pretty much all of my motivation for most of my mod projects.
For other reasons why other mod projects were axed, check this thread over on my Twitter: twitter.com/Knuxfan24/status/1095129364096868352
This is better than the actual level were seeing infinite mess with shadow mind making him under the phantom rubys control
Look, you have no responsibility to do any of this, if you want to and can do this then that’s great! If not then that’s fine as well, good luck with everything that is going on and any tips on someone who wants to start modding sonic forces?
I understand your loss of inspiration, especially on a game like forces. But let me just say, you have made some of the best modded maps I have seen in forces. I admire people like you who go above and beyond to create content like this, and ask nothing (or almost nothing) in return. Keep on modding to your hearts content.
Amazing I had chills of going through the past hearing dark dialogue.
Can we have a download link to the current version?
i love that infinite is even showing soleanna a place he shouldn’t remember anymore
Shadow is confirmed to be one of the people that remembers the event.
@@AsterLotus Is there proof of that? I thought his future was left open.
@@TravixMan the Super Hedgehogs are the only ones able to remember it since they were partially protected by the chaos emeralds. Tho, Silver doesn't due to rewriting his future, so basic time travel crap
@@AsterLotus It's a mod, so not really :P
SuperUnknownPerson Fun fact: there were going to be Phantom Ruby-produced replicas of *Mephiles* during the war during the climax of the game!
I love the whole “Blast To Past” thing, even with Sonic’s old voice echoing.
Yeah, It's the embodiment of the feeling of "Hey! I remember this place!"
Huh. So you really are a sonic
this mod level made me feel like shadow might die soon, thats the vibe im getting from this which is pretty wild.
Is this all fan made or is it real
@@freyaljones7368 this is fan made
I've seen plenty of mods for Forces, but this... _this_ is something else.
SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT I MEAN WHEN HE RESET THE LEVEL THE AREA SEEM DIFFERENT DON'T YOU THINK SO
HE DID THAT 2 TIMES AND THE AREA SEE DIFFERENT EVER TIME DON'T YOU THINK SO
How the fuck are you still alive?
What do you mean
I'm talking to that dickhead above
Bro predicted Sonic x Shadow Generations 💀💀💀
Infinite: I just love Radical Highway its so… Radical
@@Stxvnthe radical disease is spreading
Huh where?
@@Stxvndude you just copied black doom words🔥
@TheAwesomeSonicFan2011 yessir
Maybe call it Null Space - Twisted Memory?
more like "Shadow - Null Episode" i think
That my good sir is a good name
Great idea.
@@GBlastMan Kinda like the guys above name better
Yes. That sounds *perfect* for this,especially in Shadows case,since he's being shown his memories through a strange and almost twisted light.
“Of course I’m me. Just like how you’re you.”
I would’ve liked if she’d continued with “You ARE you, right Shadow?”
Then Infinite brings him to some weird illusion where he fights himself, and it’s all trying to get inside his head and mess with him, to get back at that doubt within Shadow’s mind about who he was from Heroes and STH
Touche That sounds like a really good idea!
I could imagine that as the fight progresses the fake shadow would start changing into that of the multiplayer shadow androids from STH
“You ARE you, right Shadow?”
Then he falls into the middle of a bunch of Shadow Androids
YES! THAT SOUNDS FUCKING AWESOME! And to think all SEGA could come up with is green hill with cubes....
doesnt shadow know that he is the real one after Shadow 05?
As i have mentioned previously, i love the idea and concept of this. Already better than Sonic Team’s idea of going ‘Green Hill with Cubes’. It’s awesome to see many different sections of different stages to represent Shadow’s past. Seeing Kingdom Valley in Null Space reminds me a lot of End of the World, where Shadow goes thru Kingdom Valley to collect the Chaos Emerald, which i’m sure why you choose it for that special reason. Would be really cool if you add End of the World for Kingdom Valley, just to nail it on the head 😄 Keep up the great work and looking forward to the final release 😁
Sonic team need a some good ideas from fans to make there game better but I do say the oc aka character create is a step UP on good idea but the levels is not a step UP even the length of it also story 🤓😬🙃😑🤔
@@samuriecooper1005 the story was good, but short. oc's were good, would have been better if you could have sonic/shadow quills. overall, thats pretty good (some stages were fun as well) most people hate it all though... "Oh LoOk SoNiC tEaM iS pRoMoTiNg DeVeAnTaRt!!!1!11!!!" its dumb. glad someone sees upsides, heh at least its not 06
Sorry but your wrong
only Sonics memory got erased
I thot u r only love crush
So in this scenario, The Ruby is tapping into Shadow's memories?
wow this is an amazing concept for a level...i can't wait till you decide it's ready for release i wanna do a video on it soo badly.
fuck
Atleast we get to see how to beat it
How episode Shadow SHOULD HAVE been. They never used the Phantom Ruby to it's true potential like this.
@OrangeDudeI agree add null space to the beginning
hi CodenameGamma I love your channel
Ok, this... this should’ve been a level that we wanted than the virtual reality green hill in Episode Shadow.
Man, if Sonic Team should have spend 2 or 3 years than 1 year of making actual levels of the game. It would have made Forces interesting. Better backstory, nostalgia levels, and characters development for the characters.
They spent too much time working on the engine that they forgot to work on the game.
exactly
and worst of all. the engine isnt even good
Cross Dreemurr Unleashed one is cool than Wisp boost
@@BootlegGremlin Actually, the graphics engine is very good
Now we're getting this in an official capacity... I wonder if Shadow Generations was actually inspired by this.
This is officially canon
Woah, this is neato, even has some memory dialogue. Still, the "take notes sega plox" comments are obnoxious, even a year later they still act melodramatic.
Yeah, literally using SEGA/Sonic Team's own assets/stages that they created and using a filter suddenly equals "omg better than dlc!" The mod is impressive--don't get me wrong, but these comments tell me these people don't know /anything/ about coding/modding or just haven't played any of these games to not recognize the stages and exact copied layouts.
@@bellebuster5057 Well, most people who follow the bandwagon barely played most of these games or Forces.
@@Densester i mean it's longer than force's level which was just green hill with cubes... so... yknow. *cough*
But Sega should take notes. This is better than what they've created. It's not melodramatic, it's exactly perfectly dramatic.
@@mattstat716 Maybe because it's multiple levels combined?...also no.
1:48
Suddenly, Jason Griffith
lmao
i miss him
The phantom Ruby has the power to remember sonic and shadow voice actor
NamelessKB not he similar but it different from Jason
@@pablo5425 same i hate the new voice actor espesaly in sonic boom
Wow! This has way more story and atmosphere than anything in the game! This is fantastic! And the transitions are on point!
why is this better than the dlc holy shit...
Better than whole game LMAO
maybe when it's finished it'll be better, because the concept is better, but rn I'd still rather play vanilla episode shadow
Because there was effort put into this
Because the maker cared.
Fans have more freedom than triple A developers
Sonic Team, please just patch in the drift already.
I know right? All these turns and, instead of giving the player the choice of optimizing their run, NOPE, "we are going script everything and you are going to like it!". MEH
Yeah, like their gonna patch a game one year later, lol
What ticks me off the most is there are certain parts of levels where the drift is completely automated. Not to mention the removal of the drift mechanic made the boost gameplay extremely stale...
Agreed, it should have never been removed in the first place.
why patch in the drift when none of the Forces levels need it
interesting how shadow can see through infinites illusions. they should have kept this dialogue in game and made a longer level and actually capitalised on it
They literally couldn’t they had no time and they people left right as the game was still in development
Imagine if the Null Space level had randomised sequences, say for example in one playthrough Infinite teleports you to the OG White Jungle, Radical Highway, and Metropolis, maybe in each playthrough it would send you to a randomised level each varying in order and what section of the level you spawn in.
Without the drift and a proper camera, it feels very difficult to play...
There is still a lack of object and enemy placement, once those are placed this stage may be beatable.
it's funny because you say without drift it a proper camera that it feels difficult, but none of the games that the original level came from had drift either
@Logeenth: Live! the drift wasn't a defining feature. in generations everyone only used it because there was a bug in the engine that makes you go faster if you spam it
Atomsk Reborn™
You're forgetting the fact that those games weren't as.... Gimmicky and actually allowed you to play through the levels normally. Sonic and other characters had more freedom of movement in older games than in most recent games.
@@TheLittleSpoonz not forgetting anything, still don't need drift for levels from games that didn't need drift
Hey, look! It's Sonic X Shadow Generations!!
This fan creation interests me more than any official stage in Sonic Forces.
That's how you make throwbacks! I actually like how contextualized this is. How the dialogue acrually builds up more tension and contributes to the mystery.
In my opinion, it's not finished. You must work on many aspects here. But the concept is great. I love it. In my opinion, you should put the music which represents the level. I wish you good luck with this stage.
Yeah I would love to hear the music for each level apposed to the pretty meh supporting me remix.
@@BroeyBroe The "Supporting Me" remix is all right but yeah. I prefer original music on shown stages.
Nice another shadow fan (i guess)
@@shadowthehedgehogfan9609I am 100% Shadow fan. I am calling "Shadow Ultimate99" for nothing 😉.
@@shaden99 well now i know 3 since i saw one in a videos comments. And your the second one. But cool prof too
I love the idea and concept of this. The dialogue fits so well and it all feels like a proper story is being told throughout the level, which makes a nice change from mindlessly boosting through various iterations of Green Hill.
This is actually really cool. Trapped in a maze of memories with no obvious way out, with no choice but to push forward. Honestly, this level could serve as an explanation as to where the hell Shadow was up until his appearance in Forces. It'd also explain how he knows how Infinite works, having truly experienced it first hand, not that fake Green Hill stupidity. I really liked the way you used assets from previous games to make the stage. It just shows old doesn't nean bad.
I really hope you feel like returning to this mod someday because the concept is FANTASTIC. Way better then what this stage was in the actual Episode Shadow, of course if you don't want to that's perfectly understandable!!!!
It's impressive the ideas fans have for mods especially ones like this, this is really cool, I wish Sonic Team would put in a little more effort to making creative stuff like this, Matter of fact I wish they would make a new adventure style game with multiple characters
You are right
Or... Why not hire the people who make these mods for a future mainstream sonic game.
@@PenguinTunes_1 They did before hopefully they’ll do it again
Apollo bestowing the gift of prophecy:
I have an idea, what if this stage start with the real Null Space that Sonic and the Avatar found themselves in and the same things happen but instead of getting out of it like Sonic and the Avatar did, Shadow is teleported to Prison Island and the other stage. That way using the Null Space music would fit and it would contrast with Sonic's and the Avatar's Null Space level.
To add some suggestions hope you make this stage with the vanilla physics in mind because the platforming in Dusty Desert seems complicated and I don't personally don't like that physics mod and I kinda wish you don't rely on sections that you need the boost to reach it.
what physics mod? also i think the music switches to virtual reality (supporting me) after the first section. its just when he reset the level, it reverted back to the first theme and he didnt use any transitions to reset it after. though starting from null space is an interesting idea.
This is so cool.
Sonic Team, hire this man and give him a raise
@@bellebuster5057 You really like going overboard by calling everyone whose opinion disagrees with yours "retarded".
@@bellebuster5057 the real retards are people who call people retards because of thimeir opinions
A very neat concept! I said it before and I'll say it again: Brandon Jones, Infinite Force, and KnuxFan24 should've been Sonic Team's 3 level designers (Hell even Level conceptualizers (I don't care if that's not a word I can't think of any other word to use) considering some of the cool ideas I've seen them pull of.), they know how to make something pretty creative with gameplay that's pretty limited.
I thought the beginning was crazy enough but wow. Just wow. This is awesome! So many callbacks to Shadow's past. 10/10 mod
I just had good chills when the exchange between Sonic and Shadow took place
This is what null space should of been! If the game revolved around this sonic and shadow going through the past making infinite seem more powerful and godly then he was in sonic forces
And by past I mean like null space making these places from memory but they'd feel broken like this is a place trying to take over your sanity doubting the character and all they could do is run until they see the light to get out, back into reality
This is genuinely so cool. I would've actually preferred this in the campaign.
Hmm, I mean it’s looking pretty good, but I think some of the stages that have been recently added don’t really feel appropriate. If this sequence is supposed to be Infinite tormenting Shadow, showing him past events in his life that were important, then I think stages like Kingdom Valley and Westopolis don’t really need to be here. Most of the other stages do hold relevance in Shadow’s history (Iron Jungle - Facility he was kept in for 50 years, Dusty Desert - Place where he defeated Mephilis and accepted his future, Space Gadget - Aboard the A.R.K the place he was created, Radical Highway - Where he met Sonic and The Last Way - Where he defeated Black Doom and learnt the answers of his past), levels like Kingdom Valley and Westopolis don’t really seem like levels that hold any relevance in Shadow’s history, in fact one stage I think you could add that does hold relevance to Shadow’s history is Final Fortress where they discovered all of the Shadow androids.
If we're saying that characters remember 06 in some capacity, then Kingdom Valley does have a bit of significance. It was where he obtained one of the Chaos Emeralds that saved Sonic's life in End of the World.
As for Westopolis, it's where the whole Black Arms invasion started, so it seemed fitting to have it.
Ok I maybe Kingdom Valley, but since we already have the Last Way, is there any point to having Westopolis?
@@Knuxfan24 I think nobody remembers 06, except for Blaze. I think Dusty Desert and Kingdom Valley feel the most out of place. Yeah, they're memorable for Shadow, especially for Dusty Desert, but hadn't those events been erased, it would've been fine.
@@Knuxfan24 "It was where he obtained one of the Chaos Emeralds that saved Sonic's life in End of the World."
It isn't as important or unique compared to the other events in Shadow's life though.
@@paulwebb2078 True dat
I think during some particular platforming parts, there should be some of those red energy cubes from Virtual Reality (if they can be added in 3D that is). Also the platforming in Dusty Desert feels a little shallow, there’s only one path to take and most of it just platforming on flat squares over a bottomless pit, which doesn’t really fit well in a Sonic game. Maybe you could add more paths or moving platforms, or maybe make the cube platforms giant pillars by extending them down into the abyss. These are just some suggestions to make the level design a little more organic.
Once I get good at Unreal, can I remake this concept?
For example, here is the sequence: Mystic Jungle. Where it all began.
Dusty Desert: His final fight with Mephiles.
Last Way: Black Doom
The Eggman base he was taken to.
The area in the ARK where he and Sonic.
White Jungle
The place he was held at for 50 years.
And finally, the moment Maria died, only this time, Infinite does the killing.
BOI! What a showcase. I'm so ready for the final product of your version of Episode Shadow. I really love it.
I honestly love this, although it feels like there are a bit too many different stages represented that just adds to Shadow's confusion which would be Infinite's intention. I really like this concept.
Knuckles: Kingdoms Valley ARE YOU CRAZY ???
So uhhhhhhhhh......
*WHEN IS THIS DLC GONNA DROP CAUSE THE ONE SEGA GAVE US ISN'T CONSIDERED A DLC*
1:05 - dimps should be proud (?)
Now that I think about it, Dimps is quite notorious with their mid-air platforming, aren't they?
@@MilesQuickster yeah lol
Altitude Limit Flashbacks
not only that, but alot of dash pads
Sky Canyon, Angel Island, Egg Utopia and Chaos Angel.
I am not gonna lie, if it wasn’t for Forces’s horrible controls this would be an amazing Stage to play through.
Dude, youre a Time Traveler
(Sonic x Shadow Generations)
The concept of this Null Space is probably the most unique thing I’ve seen in a long time. Great job!
i didnt know it was originally sonic x shadow forces lmao
You recreated the first level of Shadow the Hedgehog? props to you. That was quite a pleasant surprise for me to see it again.
It would be crazy if you put Lost Impact and Maria speaks. That would be a heartbreaker, especially if it is a final stage you warp to.
Either way, this is amazing, like beyond amazing.
Even though this level on a technical level isn't finished, I do love the idea that you're going for here. Exploring more into what the Phantom Ruby truly can do and calling back to earlier games to see how the boost formula works with them. I admire that.
This is definitely a great idea with Episode Shadow. A stroll down memory lane but more dangerous because of Infinite.
Ok, so, this is beautiful
This is what the entirety of sonic forces should of consisted of, stuff like this, this is a tribute to a gaming legend, well done
This just makes me want Shadow the Hedgehog on Steam so we can finally mod it
Already:
Ideas of this mod > Forces
Sega/Sonic Team don't know what they're even doing for this series anymore.
Love the concept! How infinite toys with Shadow by bringing him to different places of his past. Great concept for a level! Nice work!
You need to be hired on by Sega, if you were given all of those resources, you could give us possibly the greatest 3-D Sonic game ever. And that is not an exaggeration, you’ve done everything so well here!
Although this project will most likely never see the light of day, this is absoulutley amazing.
this is such a cool stage concept, i love it.
Such a cool idea warping through shadow's levels in previous games.
man i love the idea of shadow being teleported to places in the past by infinite
Man I love this idea !! It makes the game more entertaining to watch about stories. Keep it up
Most impressive proofs of concept. Never would I have ever thought I'd see the day for those stages to ever appear again. The black comet was just an instant mind blower. I was like YUUUUSHHH!!! 👏👏👏👏👏 Hope one day some how some way this stuff sees the light of day.
You missed White Jungle, its always my favorite stage from Shadow playthrought in SA2 XDD but this ammount of stages all stacked together to form a mega stage? i think its enough XDD
Its a very good idea making shadow go from illusion to illusion from parts of his past, and its more fitting because he barely remembers any of them so it only make sense for shadow to "follow the lead" since this could uncover more secrets from his past, also Infinite appearing at the end of each section changing the illusion to confuse you even more its quite the nice touch.
But the detail i loved the most was that Jason Griffith bit there in that SA2 section and how confused Shadow was to hear that, like deep down he knew that part of his past really well and caught him off guard, that right there is real attention to detail, and i love those bits of details because it makes more believable the characters in the long run, something that Forces should had instead of focusing on being "too edgy" for its own good.
A thing you could do is making Infinite fly by on each part of the stage and each time you see him flying by he summons enemies on the area, dunno if that's possible at the moment but it could be a neat thing to see, if not he just flying by like messing with shadow could be cool like the avatar Metropolitan Highway stage where he appears now and then chasing the avatar and looking it from a distance, that could add a more gloom and eerie vibe to the whole thing.
Me before: this is probably gonna be boring
Me when I hear Jason Griffith’s Sonic: OMFG THIS IS AWESOME
This is absolutely amazing, I love the stages your using.
If I was part of the design crew, I’d have Shadow start in Radical Highway (Rouge contacts Shadow), then transition to Final Chase (when Shadow believes it’s all an illusion), then maybe Rail Canyon/Bullet Station (when Shadow asks what happened to Omega), Westopolis (when Shadow questions if he’s really speaking to Rouge), and finally back to the city when Omega was last heard (“I am not weak. I AM NOT WEAK. I AM NOT WEAK.”)
I like the additional dialogue. I also love the use of the other terrains here soo cool it gives us a longer better stage and more reason for shadow to have been out of comission so long despite realizing he was in illusions if sonic and avatar character get out of null space so fast
Nobody:
Black doom: 2:26
Radical Highway cost us the game awards.
@@BaconHairDefaults why?
I love how you bring in different games into this level! From 06 to Adventure! Though the glitches really confuse me when he jumps and reaches some unknown place
That's really good, for one it's an actual area for Null Space to be useful and a love how it's all about shadow's past
this is an example of what sonic forces should be
This is incredible. It still needs the proper section transitions and modes of travel implemented of course, but you know... there's just something downright HAUNTING and unsettling about roaming through these places without any enemies, and only having to deal with stage hazards. It's so unsettling.
Perhaps there also really outta be a Heroes stage and/or something from the Space Colony ARK in here somewhere...!
I love this version of your null space. Travelling through shadows past would really mess with him.
I'm looking forward to seeing more of this
THIS IS CANON
Dude, that line from Sonic really drives home the weird, creepy vibe that this mod level brings. It’s amazing.
I know this mod is on hiatus, but I want to say I absolutely love it. I think any way you make this will be amazing. I hope it’s finished eventually.
Hello, can you tell from what Game is the quote of Sonic in the minute 1:52? Pls
It looks so much better than what we got in the real version
After this, I wish Shadow had a bigger roll in the game. I still think Forces was good of course.
Imo
Forces was a big fat disappointment
The music was almost out of place (Almost, even then i won't lie that most of it sounds pretty awesome)
Story throws everything we knew about sonic out the fucking window, also assumes that the avatar is a timid coward
Classic sonic was entirely uncalled for
And i could go on and on and on!
But i hope you got the idea of why i don't enjoy it as much
@@detroviolet326 The story is more so a different cheese all together
Since when the hell was Tails afraid to fight Chaos?
And since when did torture = pillow fight?
And in the face of all this even excluding the torture part, sonic would atleast take eggman seriously
Also
Phantom ruby makes no fucking sense and doesn't care about logic
Even just the way the characters talk about it makes no sense
Is it virtual reality or real!?
If it's virtual then it can't really hurt you
And hell you probably shouldn't even be able to see the things it conjures up
Then there's a giant fucking sun, if that was real it'd scorch the whole planet apart
There's plenty of simulations of the sun right in front of the earth, and none of them are pretty
And i could spend a whole week typing about how Sonic Forces failed
But this'll be all i say for now
Plus *Shadow* is my favorite character in the series
The Phantom ruby is real to the person being affected.
Seeing all the things hitting you send stressed to the brain. Stress can cause heart attack. Heart attack can cause death.
the torturepart is actually localisation only. (that is why sonic is so sure that the shuttle is still there,it probably was just being stuck in the cell for a few days and nothing else in the original). however,the story really is not really good. the plot might as well not exist.
What really makes me impressed is Sonic's custom dialogue tree. This "Twisted Memory" level really seems like a hell for Shadow, Infinite trying to ruin his character ark by reminding him of all the games in it.
This is nothing short of phenomenal, I can't wait to play this when it's done!
This is how the final Episode Shadow level should’ve happened, showing Shadow’s past memories and twisted them in Infinite’s image, NOT GREEN HILL ZONE.
Hmm ...
That reminds me of the Kingdom of the Wind The Castle Valley from Sonic 06. I watched it when I once teleported to the past. By the way, keep in mind that in Null Space there is nothing but only my energy cubes. Still, I like what I see now. Not Bad.
Dude, this is looking epic. I can't wait to try it once you're ready to release it.
"Of course I'm me! Just like how you're you"
*Shadow Androids from Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog exist*
that one voice clip of sonic after the arid desert temple part brings back so much nostalgia that it made me question why Jason griffin is not voicing sonic anymore. (and even Ryan Drummond)
See Sega, now THIS is how you do bringing back old levels right.
I made a tweet taking the piss out of this sort of comment mentality and it took less than 24 hours for someone to do it.
Bravo.
@@Knuxfan24 shoot
@@Knuxfan24 I'll delete it if you want
This’s one of the best mods I’ve seen so far...I can’t wait to see this finished
Holy crap, this is actually really cool! Way better than just "Green Hill but cubes"
If you ever get back on this project again, I recommend just having a short hallway of Shadow Android's within Final Fortress as a recommendation as to what to include for Heroes. Not really a stage, but more of a transition.
I'm really liking this tbh, great work!! :D
This aged well.
....woahh...
This is... Prison island...
...now it's dusty desert...
Final chase, radical highway... is that lost kingdom and mystic mansion?
...ok, this is actually a lot more what I'd imagine null space to be:
A prison of your own memories with no end
I do admire the ambition behind this little project
Ugh, the beginning of this level, why does that image haunt me?
Seriously though, its really cool that you made the beginning look like the beginning of a stage from shadow the hedgehog.
Doom zone from shadow generations in sonic forces be like:
i love the concept, i'd love it more to see it get fleshed out, the stages are there and a small story seems to be there too, now all this needs is plenty of time to evolve
I’m going to assume this is a fan level of what Shadow *should’ve* ran through in Episode Shadow. Looks cool
So I'm like "no one is trying to make shadow the hedgehog levels look good which is why people are trying to get 06 to be good" But I'm wrong apparently. After forces came out everyones doing it...YOU PUT THE LAST WAY IN THIS GAME?! That seems really cool to me. aw I'm really liking this