This person experienced severe depression that took me too a place where suicide seemed the only option, discovering the knowing awareness that never leaves, showed me the falseness of the stat of depression which comes and goes. To recognise this knowing that is in each of us sets us free in each moment.
Wow.. from this pov depression is a gift actually.. because during those dark times it's actually easier to see the screen.. when everything is bright and exciting it's very hard to see it but when things get dark and scary the truth is revealed much easier 🤯
I’ve had an experience wherein I was being assaulted with extreme thoughts when all of a sudden everything went poof. There was dead silence and I became deeply aware of my surroundings. I felt so much peace and had the urge to laugh.
it seems so much easier to get lost in the movie, in the story, when it's really exciting and wonderful, so it's nice to have some of those dark screen moments, to remind ourselves not to identify too much with this movie, not to take everything so seriously, and that the happiness, the peace of mind that you're looking for, is already here🩵
Rupert's pointing is exquisitely clear; and believe it or not his books are even more so. There is not one unnecessary word used. I have read The Transparency of Things, and am currently reading The Art of Peace and Happiness. I can not recommend them enough.
I understand when he says "stay with the Knowing" that the light of my being is shining brightly on the surface of my experience. Depression becomes just another label... just another word... Thank you for Sharing! Peace
Superb! See the knowing rather than the known. Give your attention to the knowing rather than the known. No matter what appears within awareness, awareness is whole, and this wholeness, this completness, is experienced as fulfillment, "happiness."
I definitely agree that it is possible To step back from what’s happening in the mind and just appreciate the fireworks that are taking place on the screen without being scared of the noises or put off by the bangs.
i also have recurrent episodes of clinical depression. hardly bearable anxiety and suicidal self-hatred. i am also aware of rupert's and other's non-dual teachings. they have not made my depressions go away. i am curious how the person who asked this question about his predicament is doing and whether he has succeeded warding off further episodes of depression just by 'knowing' that he is depressed? so pls speak up! thank you in advance.
That was fantastic. Wow. That said, Rupert did make a strategic mistake here: 6:43 . That’s actually a teaching: “What if this or that will be there for the rest of your life?” Ive heard masters use it. The investigation is best when it is really about a discovery not another goal. An ulterior motive to make it go away makes the examination a bit less effective. Ive even heard in later years Rupert say just that. Not that I could have done even close to nearly as well as he does here; Im just saying that is an important notion. Accepting. Accepting is even more effective when it isn’t accepting in order to change it. “Whatever’s in the way IS the way.” And I agree it will change, as a side effect. But that as goal waters it down a little. Still superb teaching overall. Gonna save this one.
'That rejection of the depression and the insistence that awareness or happiness is somewhere else; that is what compels awareness to seem as if hidden. It is your insistence that it is missing that makes it seem that it is so.' #RupertSpira
Rupert is trying hard to give some advice but honestly, this is more harm than good. You don't have depression for no reason, depression can overtake your whole being to the point where you don't want to be living anymore. There are difficult chemical processes happening in the brain, or certain processes that should be happening are missing, and this guy gives this joke advice of observing. Depression won't go away by observing. It is like he gives you advice, observe your thirst and don't drink, it will go away. Your body gives you signals for you to solve them, approach them, react in some ways, change your way of living, not to sit there and observe with ignorance. Happiness doesn't come from observing the depression. It is like having cancer and excruciating pain from cancer eating the body and Rupert says, Observe the pain, peace and harmony comes from it, NO IT DOESN'T. Some people need morphine in high dosage to be able to even be conscious and to be able to tolerate pain. We are not humans for no reason, signals in our body are not happening for no reason. We need to react to signals and change something if possible. This spiritual nonsense can be actually very harmful if people listen to it. Your depression will not go away by you observing it as awareness. You need to do action or actions to get rid of depression, you need to change chemical distribution in your brain in some ways. Chemicals in our body are affecting in real life how do we feel in that particular moment. Spiritual brainwashing from a person with a soothing voice can help sometimes for 3 minutes but won't help with serious problems as depression. Happiness doesn't come from observing depression, that's utter nonsense.
Hey Tome. Coming from someone who has been diagnosed with depression, anxiety and adhd. I’d have to disagree partly. Yes it is a chemical imbalance. It’s more about accepting depression and seeing it from a different angle. It’s hard to explain. But once you start meditating for a while you’ll see what I mean. Let me know if you’d like me to explain further. Cheers
Tome Rodrigo.....i agree with you, The depression can be telling us we need to change something in our lives...it's basically an inner alarm bell!!......Might need to eat better foods, exercise, stop drinking or smoking, Discipline sexual instincts etc, etc..... Observing may help to some degree but if other issues aren't addressed, than Depression ain't going nowhere.......it's not even a Half truth from rupert, merely a part truth.
Agree with these comments, observing depression with loving awareness does not help. Depression affects every aspect of living, to the extent where basic needs are not met, eg making a meal, cleanliness, going outside, etc., are impossible. Add guilt and feelings of failure and it becomes impossible to manage. This is why some people become desperate and no amount of knowing or awareness can help.
There is no any happines in depression, or in anger, fear etc.. Depression, fear, anger, jealousy etc. are qualities of the lower vital ego and is suffering itself, irrespective of whether you identify with these emotoins or not. Happines is of Sattva and Consciousness Happiness is experienced when the mind functions in sattva mode and bliss when the pure sattvic mind rests in its source, Consciousness. All other ideas about happiness have nothing to do with reality.
Gracias por compartir, Auerelio Yaga 'Ese rechazo de la depresión y la insistencia en que la conciencia o la felicidad está en otra parte; eso es lo que obliga a la conciencia que parecer que se oculta. Es su insistencia en que no se encuentra que hace que parezca que es así '. #RupertSpira 'La felicidad es la sustancia de todos los sentimientos, incluso en nuestra más profunda depresión. #RupertSpira El conocimiento es eterno. Quedarse con eso. ' #RupertSpira
It's your attention? Where is your attention? It's not placing focusing on the attention on the known but focusing on the attention aka attention on itself.
He's dealing with being triggered by Rupert's message; he is trying to be dismissive and sarcastic and brush it all off, but he doesn't seem to be suceeding at it
Many people seems to understand. But really, what exactly you "do", when you do it right? What is the "stay as awareness" method exactly "doing" in you. Because.. if you are aware, if you are staying aware.. who does it? Are you the screen in that moment? Because who is aware, that you are aware, of you "staying as the screen"? Only the screen is aware of your awareness. So I am puzzled, what I should "do" to be there, to stay as the screen. Because only I know is the stream of happenings playing before my screen. I am aware of many things.. but I am not sure if this is all? I am still thinking, if awareness of things, even the awareness of me being aware is enough.
@@pumpkini586 Wait til the end of a day or a goal met and sit and sigh and relax. Then say, “Whats here now when theres no problem to solve?” Another one is to recognize awareness is always happening. Thats what makes life real instead of just happening unconsciously in the dark. Aware of this that thoughts sensations self-images. Awareness. Next, bring all your attention to.. BEING the awareness, right now. Presence itself. Finally, if you gaze at the inner surface if your eyeball before trying these it may help. Not out at any object in the world but looking at the eye itself. For me listening to sounds for a few minutes helps too.
It doesn't mean anything it simply is. To search for meaning is an attempt to compare it. But there is nothing to compare it to, because it is limitless, boundless, uncontaminated. To compare something you have to put it in a box. But that "screen" is where everything that could be compared is happening in. So there is no word for it but equally no word needed because you cannot miss it or not experience it.
Depression is something chemical that happens to the body and makes you feel fearful, powerless, useless, etc. It is not only due to "trying to run away or hiding from it", sorry but it is not that simple. I would recommend heavy exercise and lot of out-door/ Creative activities, in order to burn-out the excessive energy and balance the body and mind back to the equilibrium, only then, rely to philosophy and environmental changes in order to avoid recurrences.
@@dhirajgabeja586 yep both, permeates all of existence.I am existence, I am awareness, I am love, peace, joy and tranquility, and every cell of my body bathes in I am.
KNOWING IS NOT ENOUGH Knowing of depression (or of any other low vibrated emotion that is manifested in us ) is always there, but the bliss of awareness is not experienced. In order to experience the bliss, the freedom and the plenitude of our true Self (awareness) the mind must be pure, serene and luminous. There is no other way to reflect clearly the bliss of awareness.
Wait til the end of a day or a goal met and sit and sigh and relax. Then say, “Whats here now when theres no problem to solve?” Another one is to recognize awareness is always happening. Thats what makes life real instead of just happening unconsciously in the dark. Aware of this that thoughts sensations self-images. Awareness. Next, bring all your attention to.. BEING the awareness, right now. Presence itself.
He is playing word games here to some extent. The inability to distance yourself from the depression is one of the symptoms of depression. To someone who currently has a clinical depression, his advice is of no use.
Someone who currently has clinical depression may not even want this advice to be of any use. Many "clinically depressed" people don't really seem to want help, at least not in this world, they just want to vanish
wtfellification There is a whole field of science exploring this phenomenon. I think that Spiras over-simplification of depression is a trivialization, and also does injustice to those who invest years in studying it.
wtfellification Do you have an example? I’m not sure you really understand what I wanted to express, yet when I read what I wrote I find no way to make it clearer. In addition, I think that spiritual leaders should be very careful about making scientific statements. Spira is very good in some things, but curing mental illnesses of the clinical kind is probably not one of them. Contrast this with other teachers, like Sam Harris, who make it explicit that people with serious mental illnesses should consult their doctors first. Spira on the other hand trivializes a whole kind of mental illness, and I would expect this does more harm than good. That was my entire point.
@@Madoc_EU Rupert isn't talking about the clinical aspects of depression, he made it quite clear that he is not in a position to make scientific claims about it. he also explicitly said "I'm not trivialising your feelings". It's not his job to send you to a doctor or even recommend that. if you don't like what he has to say, don't listen to him. your thinking that "he is doing more harm than good" is just that; your thinking. I would assume my own responsibility before trying to load it all on someone else
This person experienced severe depression that took me too a place where suicide seemed the only option, discovering the knowing awareness that never leaves, showed me the falseness of the stat of depression which comes and goes. To recognise this knowing that is in each of us sets us free in each moment.
Wow.. from this pov depression is a gift actually.. because during those dark times it's actually easier to see the screen.. when everything is bright and exciting it's very hard to see it but when things get dark and scary the truth is revealed much easier 🤯
I’ve had an experience wherein I was being assaulted with extreme thoughts when all of a sudden everything went poof. There was dead silence and I became deeply aware of my surroundings. I felt so much peace and had the urge to laugh.
@@SA-lz1vx Lol I have had this same experience.. Love flooded my mind and all fears were drowned
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it seems so much easier to get lost in the movie, in the story, when it's really exciting and wonderful, so it's nice to have some of those dark screen moments, to remind ourselves not to identify too much with this movie, not to take everything so seriously, and that the happiness, the peace of mind that you're looking for, is already here🩵
Rupert's pointing is exquisitely clear; and believe it or not his books are even more so. There is not one unnecessary word used.
I have read The Transparency of Things, and am currently reading The Art of Peace and Happiness. I can not recommend them enough.
My all time favourite from Rupert is the nature of consciousness, that book really changed my life
Extraordinary teaching !
Beautiful. Thank you for this gift.
I understand when he says "stay with the Knowing" that the light of my being is shining brightly on the surface of my experience. Depression becomes just another label... just another word...
Thank you for Sharing!
Peace
:)
Superb! See the knowing rather than the known. Give your attention to the knowing rather than the known. No matter what appears within awareness, awareness is whole, and this wholeness, this completness, is experienced as fulfillment, "happiness."
He IS helpful. Thank you, Rupert.
I definitely agree that it is possible To step back from what’s happening in the mind and just appreciate the fireworks that are taking place on the screen without being scared of the noises or put off by the bangs.
i also have recurrent episodes of clinical depression. hardly bearable anxiety and suicidal self-hatred. i am also aware of rupert's and other's non-dual teachings. they have not made my depressions go away. i am curious how the person who asked this question about his predicament is doing and whether he has succeeded warding off further episodes of depression just by 'knowing' that he is depressed? so pls speak up! thank you in advance.
I am also interested to hear of anyone who has overcome clinical depression with these pointings 😒
That was fantastic. Wow. That said, Rupert did make a strategic mistake here: 6:43 . That’s actually a teaching: “What if this or that will be there for the rest of your life?” Ive heard masters use it. The investigation is best when it is really about a discovery not another goal. An ulterior motive to make it go away makes the examination a bit less effective. Ive even heard in later years Rupert say just that. Not that I could have done even close to nearly as well as he does here; Im just saying that is an important notion. Accepting. Accepting is even more effective when it isn’t accepting in order to change it. “Whatever’s in the way IS the way.” And I agree it will change, as a side effect. But that as goal waters it down a little. Still superb teaching overall. Gonna save this one.
Rupert es un genio!!!!! Un maestro brillanteeee !!!!!!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
'That rejection of the depression and the insistence that awareness or happiness is somewhere else; that is what compels awareness to seem as if hidden. It is your insistence that it is missing that makes it seem that it is so.' #RupertSpira
'The knowing is eternal. Stay with that.' #RupertSpira
Didn't quite get it, the message that he's trying to convey about depression.
Thanks Aurelio Yuga for this playlist! This is exactly what I needed..
Great video Aurelio! Thanks for sharing!
Fascinating, thank you. I hope I stay in touch with that knowing.
This is what I call "Hitting d Bulls Eye".
Precioso entendimiento, infinitas gracias 🙏🙏🙏🙏💕💕
Thanks Rupert 🙏❤️
Thank you 😊
I got it for a moment, but then I lost the track again. I hope I get it back how it's meant.
Rupert is trying hard to give some advice but honestly, this is more harm than good. You don't have depression for no reason, depression can overtake your whole being to the point where you don't want to be living anymore. There are difficult chemical processes happening in the brain, or certain processes that should be happening are missing, and this guy gives this joke advice of observing. Depression won't go away by observing. It is like he gives you advice, observe your thirst and don't drink, it will go away. Your body gives you signals for you to solve them, approach them, react in some ways, change your way of living, not to sit there and observe with ignorance. Happiness doesn't come from observing the depression. It is like having cancer and excruciating pain from cancer eating the body and Rupert says, Observe the pain, peace and harmony comes from it, NO IT DOESN'T. Some people need morphine in high dosage to be able to even be conscious and to be able to tolerate pain. We are not humans for no reason, signals in our body are not happening for no reason. We need to react to signals and change something if possible. This spiritual nonsense can be actually very harmful if people listen to it. Your depression will not go away by you observing it as awareness. You need to do action or actions to get rid of depression, you need to change chemical distribution in your brain in some ways. Chemicals in our body are affecting in real life how do we feel in that particular moment. Spiritual brainwashing from a person with a soothing voice can help sometimes for 3 minutes but won't help with serious problems as depression. Happiness doesn't come from observing depression, that's utter nonsense.
Hey Tome. Coming from someone who has been diagnosed with depression, anxiety and adhd. I’d have to disagree partly. Yes it is a chemical imbalance. It’s more about accepting depression and seeing it from a different angle. It’s hard to explain. But once you start meditating for a while you’ll see what I mean. Let me know if you’d like me to explain further. Cheers
Tome Rodrigo.....i agree with you, The depression can be telling us we need to change something in our lives...it's basically an inner alarm bell!!......Might need to eat better foods, exercise, stop drinking or smoking, Discipline sexual instincts etc, etc..... Observing may help to some degree but if other issues aren't addressed, than Depression ain't going nowhere.......it's not even a Half truth from rupert, merely a part truth.
Agree with these comments, observing depression with loving awareness does not help. Depression affects every aspect of living, to the extent where basic needs are not met, eg making a meal, cleanliness, going outside, etc., are impossible. Add guilt and feelings of failure and it becomes impossible to manage. This is why some people become desperate and no amount of knowing or awareness can help.
Maravilloso, muchas gracias!
Thank you for your english subtitles. I translate your video to our language and it is help me.
You're welcome Rudolf:)
Thank you Rupert:')
wow, wow and wow 🥰🥰🥰
Excellent,thank you
That makes sense! Thanks for sharing!
You're very welcome Tekgul:)
'Happiness is the substance of all feelings, even in our deepest depression.' #RupertSpira
GRACIAS !
There is no any happines in depression, or in anger, fear etc..
Depression, fear, anger, jealousy etc. are qualities of the lower vital ego and is suffering itself, irrespective of whether you identify with these emotoins or not.
Happines is of Sattva and Consciousness
Happiness is experienced when the mind functions in sattva mode and bliss when the pure sattvic mind rests in its source, Consciousness.
All other ideas about happiness have nothing to do with reality.
THE LIGHT OF YOUR BEING IS SHINING...ALWAYS !!
Great channel AY. Good videos and summaries.
Thank you. I'm glad it helps you on your spiritual journey:)
Right now, I just experienced it. Knowing of knowing.
A thousand times thanks!
You're very welcome!
Gracias por compartir, Auerelio Yaga
'Ese rechazo de la depresión y la insistencia en que la conciencia o la felicidad está en otra parte; eso es lo que obliga a la conciencia que parecer que se oculta. Es su insistencia en que no se encuentra que hace que parezca que es así '. #RupertSpira
'La felicidad es la sustancia de todos los sentimientos, incluso en nuestra más profunda depresión. #RupertSpira
El conocimiento es eterno. Quedarse con eso. ' #RupertSpira
Gracias por la traducción! 👏🏻 Wow
Thank you
I love your movie screen analogy.
Thank you very much
You're very welcome:)
Wow! Thank you ♥♥
Anyone else not have a clue what the 'knowing' is?
It's your attention? Where is your attention? It's not placing focusing on the attention on the known but focusing on the attention aka attention on itself.
love
Would be nice to have the questioners mic shut off. His response noises to everything Rupert's said we're so distracting to Rupert's words, lol
He's dealing with being triggered by Rupert's message; he is trying to be dismissive and sarcastic and brush it all off, but he doesn't seem to be suceeding at it
Many people seems to understand. But really, what exactly you "do", when you do it right? What is the "stay as awareness" method exactly "doing" in you. Because.. if you are aware, if you are staying aware.. who does it? Are you the screen in that moment? Because who is aware, that you are aware, of you "staying as the screen"? Only the screen is aware of your awareness. So I am puzzled, what I should "do" to be there, to stay as the screen. Because only I know is the stream of happenings playing before my screen. I am aware of many things.. but I am not sure if this is all? I am still thinking, if awareness of things, even the awareness of me being aware is enough.
František Heča Did you figure it out?
@@pumpkini586 Wait til the end of a day or a goal met and sit and sigh and relax. Then say, “Whats here now when theres no problem to solve?”
Another one is to recognize awareness is always happening. Thats what makes life real instead of just happening unconsciously in the dark. Aware of this that thoughts sensations self-images. Awareness. Next, bring all your attention to.. BEING the awareness, right now. Presence itself.
Finally, if you gaze at the inner surface if your eyeball before trying these it may help. Not out at any object in the world but looking at the eye itself. For me listening to sounds for a few minutes helps too.
I love your movie screen analogy. Thank you Rupert, you've helped me many times.
This analogy is not original to Rupert at all although he makes it out to be his
thank you. Is knowing the same like mindfulness?
michal teslaeu more like mindlessness
Be nice if people could just listen without making noises
❤😊
what does it mean that screen? Is it consciousness?
It doesn't mean anything it simply is.
To search for meaning is an attempt to compare it. But there is nothing to compare it to, because it is limitless, boundless, uncontaminated. To compare something you have to put it in a box. But that "screen" is where everything that could be compared is happening in. So there is no word for it but equally no word needed because you cannot miss it or not experience it.
@@sonkeschmidt2027 thank you Sönke
Depression is something chemical that happens to the body and makes you feel fearful, powerless, useless, etc. It is not only due to "trying to run away or hiding from it", sorry but it is not that simple. I would recommend heavy exercise and lot of out-door/ Creative activities, in order to burn-out the excessive energy and balance the body and mind back to the equilibrium, only then, rely to philosophy and environmental changes in order to avoid recurrences.
Is the awareness outside the physical body? Or inside it?
Both
@@Wendy63Lorraine it's not in the body....the body is in it....that's what Rupert, Deepak Chopra , Vedanta say.
@@dhirajgabeja586 yep both, permeates all of existence.I am existence, I am awareness, I am love, peace, joy and tranquility, and every cell of my body bathes in I am.
@@Wendy63Lorraine The pure non-objective entity....in which body(including brain), mind, energy, and the whole creation is.....?
@@Wendy63Lorraine I need some clarity on that...can you help me ?
KNOWING IS NOT ENOUGH
Knowing of depression (or of any other low vibrated emotion that is manifested in us ) is always there, but the bliss of awareness is not experienced.
In order to experience the bliss, the freedom and the plenitude of our true Self (awareness) the mind must be pure, serene and luminous. There is no other way to reflect clearly the bliss of awareness.
Hermoso.
Why can’t I find it???😢
You've already found it .....don't try to find it as an objective experience...
Dissolving the attention means resting as a real subject- Awareness.
Wait til the end of a day or a goal met and sit and sigh and relax. Then say, “Whats here now when theres no problem to solve?”
Another one is to recognize awareness is always happening. Thats what makes life real instead of just happening unconsciously in the dark. Aware of this that thoughts sensations self-images. Awareness. Next, bring all your attention to.. BEING the awareness, right now. Presence itself.
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Actually I disagree. It is not hapiness as we percieve it coming from objects, but bliss.He wont be happy on top of his depression.
So is the screen, the knowing and the depression the black image, or am missing the metaphor
You missed the point.Dont conceptual.its not possible.Its a feeling.
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It´s seems like the person who asked is eatin something while rupert is speaking... hahahah
The guy asking the questions is so full of ego I don't think he's ever going to pull out of it
He is playing word games here to some extent. The inability to distance yourself from the depression is one of the symptoms of depression. To someone who currently has a clinical depression, his advice is of no use.
Someone who currently has clinical depression may not even want this advice to be of any use. Many "clinically depressed" people don't really seem to want help, at least not in this world, they just want to vanish
wtfellification There is a whole field of science exploring this phenomenon. I think that Spiras over-simplification of depression is a trivialization, and also does injustice to those who invest years in studying it.
@@Madoc_EU just because it's of no use to you doesn't mean it isn't helpful to anyone else
wtfellification Do you have an example? I’m not sure you really understand what I wanted to express, yet when I read what I wrote I find no way to make it clearer.
In addition, I think that spiritual leaders should be very careful about making scientific statements. Spira is very good in some things, but curing mental illnesses of the clinical kind is probably not one of them.
Contrast this with other teachers, like Sam Harris, who make it explicit that people with serious mental illnesses should consult their doctors first. Spira on the other hand trivializes a whole kind of mental illness, and I would expect this does more harm than good. That was my entire point.
@@Madoc_EU Rupert isn't talking about the clinical aspects of depression, he made it quite clear that he is not in a position to make scientific claims about it. he also explicitly said "I'm not trivialising your feelings". It's not his job to send you to a doctor or even recommend that. if you don't like what he has to say, don't listen to him. your thinking that "he is doing more harm than good" is just that; your thinking. I would assume my own responsibility before trying to load it all on someone else
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