Yorick vs. Broodmother: A comparison of the SPLIT PUSHER roles from League of Legends, and Dota 2.

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @touyakami1406
    @touyakami1406 Год назад +259

    Yorick: I am going to run it down and you will try to stop me whether you like it or not
    Brood: I AM IN YOUR WALLS

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +16

      I actually LOL'd. What a great comment!

    • @ChadKakashi
      @ChadKakashi Год назад +3

      Broodmother is the one hero that can make an arachnophobic out of anyone. When 50 invisible spiders swarm you out of nowhere in the lane...

  • @Langharig_Tuig
    @Langharig_Tuig Год назад +110

    The second I saw you use Centaur for the offlane I knew you'd use him for all roles and I still genuinely laughed out loudly. Great video again

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +11

      Task Failed Successfully? Also, I'm glad you liked it!

    • @levisamom5069
      @levisamom5069 Год назад +15

      I'd put centaur as the quinticential hero of the pos 3...just like sf is to pos 2 and rubick is to pos 4

  • @raistlinmajere1000
    @raistlinmajere1000 Год назад +65

    You are getting better and better. And you found a nice niche, dota vs lol comparison, and you have more than plenty of topics to talk about.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +11

      Thanks! Still, I feel very behind, since the "how does this mechanic really work" guy has ten times my growth in a third of the time. I know I know, don't compare myself and all that, but I can't help but feel like I might be doing things wrong, and am hoping to learn from others what I should be doing right. Big differences are that he talks faster and has no music... idk if I should copy that.

    • @FireDarkNinja
      @FireDarkNinja Год назад +9

      @@TZAR_POTATO I feel like this is a more interesting idea as there is actually room for conversation and if you grow more then I feel as if your channel has more longevity as you can speak about these things to both communities and they can understand each other and find out interesting comparisons in game design whereas Adrian just goes, "here is how ability works" and that's it. Sure in the short term he's more likely to grow fast but his content doesn't have many other avenues to provoke discussion.

    • @user-ck9tb4fv2x
      @user-ck9tb4fv2x Год назад

      I disagree with the niche. If he was AS skilled in LOL as in Dota 2 I could understand. After 4 vids this guy is not on equal skills and it comes off as heavy biased. You may feel different. I definetly have the bias to swing league as I have had a lot of time in it vs dota 2. But even then I can tell that he understands dota on a very different level than league so for me his comparisions are off.

    • @user-ck9tb4fv2x
      @user-ck9tb4fv2x Год назад

      @@TZAR_POTATO The one thing I would suggest is to learn league in its fully. There are things such as in your jungle comparison when you leashed a gromp with Ashe. Ashe is not good in jg, gromp can be kited but has a range reset so you don't abuse contantly kiting it. There are technical and mechanical things that you brush off. While the games are similar for a better comparison I feel you need to know both games at least fundamentally to know WHY they are doing it in Leauge as you clearly know why in Dota. I'm def biased as I played more LOL than Dota 2. But I love dota as a game more than league. I just know league and can better have fun there with it as I can do the more advanced strats. I think this is similar if you played more dota than league. You can do the advanced dota strats easy vs advanced lol strats. Meta game etc. Theres just a knowledge diff. I like your channel though. You do good work on everything. Keep it up man.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад

      @@user-ck9tb4fv2x Thanks. I do have some counter arguments to think about though.
      1. Without many damage items, is it possible for Ashe to kill Gromp without taking any damage from it? If not, then she MUST tank it, and that's my point for that segment.
      2. You say there's technical or mechanical things I brush off, but don't go into the detail. Instead, consider that this, and all my channel videos for that matter, are about comparing both games at a high enough level such that newcomers to either game might be able to understand it.

  • @enginbaydar7099
    @enginbaydar7099 Год назад +38

    The diff between Elise and Broodmother is that Elise her farming speed is abbysmal. Elise gets picked mostly in higher lvl of play and is used to gank often, dive often because of her E invulnerability and stun + burst. Broodmother can farm the whole map and push very fast just like yorick can.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +4

      I hadn't considered that! Thanks for this insight!

    • @e3Gewinnt
      @e3Gewinnt Год назад +2

      Traditionally Elise is an early game ganking jungler. But her clear is actually super fast. And when Agurin plays her, she looks somewhat like an actual scaling jungler, taking many full clears.

    • @enginbaydar7099
      @enginbaydar7099 Год назад +4

      @@e3Gewinnt it doesnt even come close to fast clearing junglers. If youre vs hecarim, noc, karthus and you are just fullclearing on repeat you will lose the game. Even Agurin admits that Elise is a slow farming jungler, it doesnt even come close to others.

  • @TZAR_POTATO
    @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +40

    As always, if you are a league player and want to try dota, let me coach you :)

    • @EggsTeaSea
      @EggsTeaSea Год назад +5

      Bet my friends always play dota but I'm utter dog doo doo. I've played tidehunter necrophos and shadowshaman

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +2

      @@EggsTeaSea Great starting picks, though shadow shaman can be stressful since you have insane single target lockdown but pathetic movement speed and range, so it's hard to position.

    • @HadeanV1
      @HadeanV1 Год назад +3

      I am just starting to transition from league to dota. My biggest struggle so far is learning how to lane/play role properly but even then been having so much more fun in dota.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +1

      @@HadeanV1 good luck! I got an older vid on laning phase help. bit if you want more help let me know, i can coach you

    • @HadeanV1
      @HadeanV1 Год назад +1

      @@TZAR_POTATO Hey I'll never say no to advice. I'm mainly interested in support or roamer and I enjoyed the macro of support you showed off in a previous video and while I'm interested in learning Rubick once I learn the game more, I'm exploring for a solid starter support/roamer.

  • @megawl2086
    @megawl2086 Год назад +26

    Tbh Wraith King has a fast-push strat with skeletons so he can be a crazy split pusher if you use the correct build and the skeletons can also demolish enemy heroes as a bonus which sometimes looks incredibly funny

    • @jayzenstyle
      @jayzenstyle Год назад +2

      It's fucking funny when the HP values start draining quickly once the skellies get high in number due to talent and octarine -CD%, then having offensive items like cuirass to make it faster.

    • @hello-gx6oi
      @hello-gx6oi Год назад +3

      After all what is a king without his followers

  • @Lyrune
    @Lyrune Год назад +12

    Great video! I'm not a DOTA player (just personally not a fan of how the longer average range requires me to move my camera around a lot more) but here's a couple notes coming from someone with a lot of experience with Yorick.
    Yorick is actually not as obsessed to single lane pushes as you might expect. While his ghouls don't deagro from wave unless you land an E or something similar. But once you get far enough away from your ghouls, they actually no longer count towards your maximum pet count. Meaning you can build up another pack of summons in another lane. This combined with the fact that Q cooldown is so low in the late game, it means that Yorick can very easily leave a lane to be autopushing with ghouls, while quickly teleporting to a second lane to push at full speed. I'm aware that macro in DOTA is much more prevalent, as well as there being more controlable minions in that game, but in League of Legends, the ability to push two lanes at once with a single champion is literally unprecedented. As in, Yorick is (to my knowledge) the only champion who can do this.
    I love to run a build with the First Strike keystone with the Eclipse Mythic item, to let my ghouls get a couple autos on an unsuspecting champion from across the map and net me free gold. Plus that also means I get to take the Minion Dematerializer rune, which means my ghouls push even faster.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +6

      Cool! But, Yorick is still obsessed with just pushing lanes, right? Not ganking, or diving in team fights? Also, didn't know that about max pets. Some dota summoners also have max summons restrictions, but that's just a spell limit, not a game limit. As in, if you use a summon spell, sometimes it will replace the existing summon with this new one. But, pretty often this isn't the case.
      Since this video came out, the meta for Broodmother has shifted away from lots of auras, and a lot more into duelist. She no longer relies on spiders for her damage past the midgame: her auto attacks have some insane scaling.

    • @Lyrune
      @Lyrune Год назад +8

      @@TZAR_POTATO Oh yeah, Yorick is absolutely still 100% pushing! He can contribute to team fights if he has both ghouls and his ult up, but it's generally not worth it. It's not like Yorick isn't a good fit for this video, I'd just argue that he doesn't stick to a single side lane.
      Also, I believe the pet maximum distance quirk is a Yorick only thing. Since every other summoner like character either has their pets disable when you get too far away (Azir, Heimerdinger) or will just follow you basically to the ends of the earth (Naafiri)

    • @baptistecochennec5956
      @baptistecochennec5956 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@TZAR_POTATOone of yorick funniest strat is the 3 lane push you can order the maiden to stay in one lane, create a swarm in another lane and finally push the last. It's rather uncommon but very funny

  • @Monte_Carlo451
    @Monte_Carlo451 Год назад +11

    I remember back then where her ulti was still a basic skill and the item necronomicon still exist and every support pisses their pants when moving outside of the base

  • @bqvn8511
    @bqvn8511 Год назад +5

    Sion could also be considered an obsessed splitpusher since he literally doesent care if he dies as long as he kills minions, stacks heartsteel or damages turrets

  • @DiegoHernandez-vv3iv
    @DiegoHernandez-vv3iv Год назад +24

    Yorick is a really weird character, his ghouls are pretty much unkillable to AOE dmg because they get 50% dmg reduction and they have a lot of hp, but they will insta die to 1 AA from any champion no matter how much HP they have.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +10

      that IS really weird.

    • @onekoff8480
      @onekoff8480 Год назад +10

      Sounds like Visage's gargoyles, when Visage is too far to provide them his Gravekeeper's Clock passive. Without it, they die instantly to anything.

  • @ameame32
    @ameame32 Год назад +7

    As a someone who uses Centaur for all roles I approve of this I really sometimes hate that I can't use a support Yi in League

    • @Lord_Sunqu
      @Lord_Sunqu Год назад

      I once went ADC Yi on draft and got a Penta while fountain diving.
      It was an extremely chaotic game.

  • @geocors6139
    @geocors6139 Год назад +3

    I remembered when I first played Broodmother, I played her mid. I didn't even care about cs I just clear the waves then rotate to the jungle. Enemy midlaner was easily outfarmed it was so fun.

  • @usagistrong
    @usagistrong Год назад +2

    Here after zai's performance on Riyadh Masters. Perfect display of Broodmother gameplay

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +1

      Dude his lack of reaction after winning... priceless. He looked dead inside.

  • @屈卓寬
    @屈卓寬 Год назад +5

    if Broodmother tactics into the League of Legends
    she'll be like malzahar nerf to dust....😢
    Because they will say no counterplay and no interaction.....and eat the dragon at 2~3 level

  • @TZAR_POTATO
    @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +2

    AH Found a mistake: Hullbreaker demo - I forgot to replace the inventory!

  • @chito2701
    @chito2701 Год назад +7

    i really love this videos comparison of both games are interesting

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +1

      Glad you approve! Hope you've enjoyed my other stuff too

  • @adrian_dreemur
    @adrian_dreemur Год назад +19

    Hi, that was interesting video for me (dota player) to look at LoL champions and role gameplay comparison. I wonder what is the next target for comparison? Also, is 7.33(b) gonna make some messing for next video? I (personally) would like to have see more about map movement and mobility in both games
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    I came from dota reddit, if this info have some use for you😊

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +1

      Thanks for watching! If you want more on the comparisons, I got a whole playlist or two on them! Feel free to check them out :)
      As for map comparison, I was planning on a video focusing on team fights in the jungle (out-of-lane)

  • @ricomambozero3811
    @ricomambozero3811 Год назад +2

    my favorite splitpushers are Furion in Dota and Sion in LoL thebausffs style
    Furion is literally built to splitpush he has teleport and summon trees
    while Sion is the definition of Lose Lane , Win Game

  • @roastbeef6181
    @roastbeef6181 7 месяцев назад +1

    Broodmother:*exists*
    Earthshaker:👀

  • @denistalalae3360
    @denistalalae3360 Год назад +1

    Centaur meme is hilarious I can't stop re-watching this

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +1

      I was really proud of that one... cause he is everything

  • @greedy9310
    @greedy9310 Год назад +4

    You know, I was wondering why I mained both these characters. Funny how that work out haha

  • @Silverhand404
    @Silverhand404 Год назад +4

    I think one thing not addressed by itemization is: once BM has orchid, there's no single enemy that "counters" the hero unless it is played recklessly. You literally need 2-3 heroes to even consider taking the damn spider down. When Brood is on the meta, that thing is terrifying.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +3

      ghost scepter. ez

    • @Silverhand404
      @Silverhand404 Год назад +2

      @@TZAR_POTATO that worked before her damned ulti made you magically disappear.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +3

      @@Silverhand404 it's 400 damage, you can't tell me you have only 400 hp

    • @Silverhand404
      @Silverhand404 Год назад +2

      @@TZAR_POTATO so, it's 420+140 to 180 (bola) amplified by ethereal and then orchid explodes you afterwards, (and I main support). Sometimes shit happens, gotta pick chunkier picks, but at ancient4+ that orchid is ready super early.

    • @13YoJest13
      @13YoJest13 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@TZAR_POTATOthis did not age well with the addition of revenants broach 😂 allows all your attacks to hit ethereal units (also makes your attacks magical which deals more damage to ethereal units)

  • @DeClayz
    @DeClayz Год назад +7

    maybe i played brood badly, but i mainly played her as the one that sneaks up behind enemies during a team fight and bursts down the squishy supports or nuker, not the splitpusher. that was more nature prophet imo.... though, i guess they both can be both, i just never wound up hyper pushing with brood, or actively seeking fighting with nature prophet

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +7

      As I mentioned in the video, obsessed split pusher is not always good or meta. Play her whatever way you want!

    • @mauriciohablutzel
      @mauriciohablutzel Год назад +11

      I have definitely seen more brood mother's ruthlessly run down all lanes, destroying all towers on their path after taking all the enemies farm camps than hyper fight focus broods.

    • @ggdevv
      @ggdevv Год назад +5

      This how brood play when theres a counter hero for you (like LC in the video). But if no one can counter brood, you want to play differently, aggresive, killing heroes meanwhile control the map,like how you played. Thats why brood is one of the cheesy hero

  • @SKsuprakirby
    @SKsuprakirby 10 месяцев назад +1

    Tbf Most League players HATE Hullbreaker. this item is either useless or so OP it turns an ASSASSIN like Yone into an unkillable army of one. Good thing Riot is finally reworking it so it doesn't give defensive buffs.

  • @Captain1nsaneo
    @Captain1nsaneo Год назад +4

    " *Your towers are delicious!* "

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад

      uncontested, broodmother can level a tower in like 10 seconds with spiders alone!

  • @naNyxxZ
    @naNyxxZ Год назад +1

    Hulbreaker Unique Passive: Grouping is lava

  • @IgotDis14
    @IgotDis14 Год назад +2

    Awesome video.. More please!!

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад

      More on the way, and more already made! Thanks for the like

  • @majlada
    @majlada Год назад +2

    This is such an interesting video series. The last time I played Dota 2 was roughly 10 years ago and everyone yelled at me in a foreign language I couldn't understand. Maybe it's time to reinstall.

  • @rayznshine
    @rayznshine Год назад +1

    Bel'veth watching from the void

  • @typervader
    @typervader 11 месяцев назад

    One thing you didnt talk about is how Yorick can be in mutiple lanes to pressure. Send the ult down one land, you go down another, and now there is 2 things pushing that is hard to dealk with

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah but then you just go and kill the maiden, she doesn't even run away! So the pressure disappears super fast. It's not always like that in dota.

    • @typervader
      @typervader 11 месяцев назад

      @@TZAR_POTATO But, that still forces them away from an objective on the map that your team can take advantage of.
      A 4v4 at Baron is now a 4v3, and all the while yorick still pushs.

  • @somedumbskrub
    @somedumbskrub Год назад +3

    updated and opened dota cuz of this video

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад

      I am honored!
      Been a while since you played? Or, curious about 7.33?

  • @popelipo6281
    @popelipo6281 Год назад

    I dont think hullbreaker incentivicing playing alone makes it a bad item. What makes it bad is that it directly works against one of the core "rules" of league which is adaptive strategizing.
    Once you buy it youre essentially locked into hard splitpushing regardless of if its optimal or not.

  • @shadder8431
    @shadder8431 Год назад +1

    DOTA 2 : average game took 30-45 min
    Brood : 15 min hitting high ground.

  • @arczuha9209
    @arczuha9209 Год назад +6

    I also hate hullbreaker when a cocky player gets a hold of it they will make you go away on the tim fight cause of the hullbreaker passive
    that player is being cocky because of the item......

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад

      It's such an anti-social and anti-team item design.

  • @neon_twister_
    @neon_twister_ Год назад

    Oh broodmama, i remember those days

  • @ChadKakashi
    @ChadKakashi Год назад +1

    I am thoroughly enjoying this series despite knowing nothing of League. But hey, League has hot girls so it evens out. Jokes aside I love the comparison with Dota heroes, makes it easier to understand League champions.

  • @sincskent
    @sincskent Год назад

    bro broodmother is so creepy to look at, fucking huge spider lmao

  • @Rime388
    @Rime388 Год назад +3

    good thing league players have no concept of team play

  • @Magicwaterz
    @Magicwaterz Год назад +3

    What kind of item that is in a game that focuses on team effort makes you weaker when they make a team effort???

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +1

      a fucking degenerate design item, that's what :/

  • @naNyxxZ
    @naNyxxZ Год назад +1

    thank for the video by the way, I want to make a game but fear using similar traits to league but I see now that everything is just recycled anyways xD

  • @ChaoticBlitzZ
    @ChaoticBlitzZ Год назад +2

    what a cool channel

  • @kuuluna
    @kuuluna Год назад

    I have seen sion die to win strat with that item. It was hilarious how broken this is

  • @johngemantalan8778
    @johngemantalan8778 Год назад +1

    Yorrick mains can push 3 lanes while doing dragon🤣

    • @kozrak-kai8215
      @kozrak-kai8215 Год назад

      Ye idk why he said yorick need to wait in top, his maiden can solo destroy tower while yorick can do other stuff like push bot

  • @nanananamakrosa1811
    @nanananamakrosa1811 7 месяцев назад

    Brood is once a meta

  • @Puff-1p
    @Puff-1p Год назад

    kinda wanna try dota 2 now

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад +1

      It's a free game, why not. Just make sure to consume plenty of educational content before your first pvp.

  • @geosama1317
    @geosama1317 Год назад

    as a yorick main, i hate playing against brood :(

  • @13YoJest13
    @13YoJest13 10 месяцев назад

    Brood would run yorick into the ground so fast 😂

  • @Sketchbook017
    @Sketchbook017 Год назад

    As someone with Arachnophobia, seeing Broodmother is just yeah a no.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад

      But what if YOU were the spider??

  • @bahhhhumbug9804
    @bahhhhumbug9804 9 месяцев назад

    "Yoricks minions are more suite4d to pushing then fighting" this man clearly has not seen lethality yorick the most 0 interaction champ

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  9 месяцев назад

      You think they are MORE suited to fighting than they are to pushing?

    • @bahhhhumbug9804
      @bahhhhumbug9804 9 месяцев назад

      with the right lethality build unfortunately yes I wish it was not so. @@TZAR_POTATO

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  9 месяцев назад

      @@bahhhhumbug9804 cool!

  • @PunCala
    @PunCala Год назад

    Just a tip to improve: unless this is your normal speech speed, it wouldn't hurt to speak a bit more quickly. Compare this to, say, Skill Capped videos, in terms of rhythm and pace. The last sentence of this video is the one that sounds the most natural.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  Год назад

      Yeah, this is my normal speed, especially when reading script. But yeah I'd love to speak faster, but idk how to do that.

    • @CrolyGiart
      @CrolyGiart Год назад

      just put the video on 1,25 speed.

    • @doublejacketjimmy391
      @doublejacketjimmy391 Год назад

      Just speed up the video man. That's way more convenient rather than forcing content creator to relearn to speak in much higher pace.

    • @jayzenstyle
      @jayzenstyle Год назад +1

      I think speeding the video slightly is the better option than the human element adjusting their natural speed. That way, there's less 'minding' involved.

  • @scotthalligan5702
    @scotthalligan5702 9 месяцев назад

    Brood and meepo are my favorite characters in dota and I still feel like they don't really exist within leagues champions.

  • @heek40
    @heek40 8 месяцев назад

    Is there any League champ you like more? Every video is you just shit talking League and praising Dota. Gets boring fast.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  8 месяцев назад +1

      Any bias you see in the video is some you bring with you. I didn't praise either hero or champion and more than the other. This is a comparison video, nothing more.

    • @heek40
      @heek40 8 месяцев назад

      @@TZAR_POTATO In this particular video you spent an entire section shit talking hullbreaker. You do this all the time with League and I've never seen you once be critical of Dota's design.

    • @TZAR_POTATO
      @TZAR_POTATO  8 месяцев назад +1

      @@heek40The league DEVS agreed with me and totally redesigned the hullbreaker passive though.

    • @heek40
      @heek40 8 месяцев назад

      @@TZAR_POTATO My point is that every single video you make some kind of slight against League while praising Dota. It's super transparent where your preferences lie.
      We get it, you like Dota more. You like Invoker more because Hwei shares cooldowns on some of his abilities, you like Dota's hero design philosopher more because League's is "overly restrictive?", you like Dota's new player experience more (even though it's way harder to learn), etc. etc. etc.