NEW! 👀 ENGWE L20 2.0 FOLDING E-Bike Review - LOW Price and FUN!
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- This should be one of the first reviews of this new Engwe L20 2.0. It's a brand new folding E-bike for the Engwe stable of great E-Bikes!
It's a lot of bike for the money!
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The dynamic duo is out and about again! Very thorough review.
Thank you, Susanne! 😊
Thanks Phil for sharing this video . My wife and I are still looking at these bikes and your reviews are priceless ! Thanks again for sharing .
Good to know, Jon! Summer is coming! 😊
Can you pedal it as normal bike without installing the battery
@@jordanspark1754 Yes, you just won't have the display available to you without the battery. Easier (maybe) is install the battery and choose Pedal Assist Level 0. This will disable the motor but everything else will still work, lights, horn, speedo, etc.
Thanks 👍
Thanks guys. Always good to hear and see honest reviews.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Christine! 😊
Thanks for the review Phil! We are still shopping around trying to decide what we want, and this helps!!!
Good to know, Garry, thank you! 😊
Based on your recommendation (and the coupon) I purchased this e-bike, my first. Oh my has it opened up a new avenue of enjoyment. I have pushed this thing for a month now and love it! Keep reviewing e-bikes if you can AND I completely recommend this as a starter E-bike!
Great to hear! I already know you are having fun with it, that's great! 😊
Thanks for the great video Phil. I just purchased the L20 2.0 and received the $100 dollar Philanderson discount. Awesome little bike for the price. When the new Gordie Howe bridge is finished, I'll be riding it to Canada and back. 👏👏
That sounds cool, have a great time! 😊
Looks like fun! Thanks Phil and thank you Kelvin for the assist! Stay safe!
Thank you, Brenda! 😊
Thanks Phil! Your $100 off coupon code just worked for me. Plus no tax and free shipping. $750 for that bike is a damn good deal!
I ordered the Onyx black. Hoping its still that blue/black like many of the youtube reviewers got!
Cool, I'm glad the code is still effective and you got a good deal! 😊
This was a great review Phil and Kelvin. I think that is one cool bike. Just what I need at the moment.
My ankle would love it..
I love the team review you guys are doing.
Gary
Thanks, Gary! It is a lot of fun working with Kelvin. He's just a bit timid on camera but he'll get used to it. In person, he'll have you cracking up all day! 😊
Yeah I can see that it would be a fun day being around both of you.
Off-road is impressive ❤thanks for sharing
Probably the most fun, too, Maddie! It was just so cold I couldn't wait to get back to the house! 😊
Looks like you guys are having fun, that looks like a good item for small trips to the store to save gas! Too cold up here for that bike, it is -10F this morning!
Cheers Al
It was cold this day we were riding but not that cold, Al! Brrrr! 😊
Hi Phil, great review. One thing to comment on is the function of pedal assist, I think you’re mistaking it for a throttle.
Pedal assist is power provided to the pedals to make pedaling easier, less force needed on the pedals when going on hills and such. Hope this makes sense, I don’t own an e-bike but it’s how I understand its function. Have a good day.
You're partly right, Joseph. 😊 I should have explained it better in the video. The way it should work is, Pedal Assist level 1 should stop providing motor power at a set speed, say 10 mph. Then level 2 might be 12 mph, etc. up to level five. That is usually adjustable in the menu but there were no instructions on how to change them. I'll be working with them to get it right.
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop , In my experience the PAS levels in most ebikes have nothing to do with the throttle. With most ebikes sold in the US, the throttle will provide power up to 20 mph. The PAS levels are either set by either watts or mph, and will provide power up to 20 mph (class 1 or 2) or up to 28 mph (class 3). According to the web site, the L20 2.0 can go 28 mph, so you should be able to unlock it to function as a class 3 bike.
@@amosbatto3051 Well, Amos, on the eBikes I have ridden, the throttle controls the speed up to the level of PA you have selected. For instance, Level 1 throttle only takes you to 10 mph, Level 2 15 mph, Level 3 17 mph, etc. OR, no throttle, peddling takes you to those pre-set speeds with motor assistance.
Thanks.
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This makes a change!? Your delivery style is what we love Phil, the end result is different from the norm, but it's all good! :)
A change from what, Mike? I've done a few reviews. They come on Wednesday, turning videos on Thursday. 😊
Howdy Phil! Howdy Kelvin! Nice review!
Howdy and thank you for watching! 😊
My wife has this bike and she really likes it. The only problem is ghost peddling. She starts GP around 15 mph. I think I've resolved the issue by putting a larger crank on there but time will tell.
Haha, I guess I'd have to peddle it to know if mine has that problem! 😊 It's been a good bike for the family to use, no issues, really. I'll bet that larger crank helps, I've seen others do that, too.
Update: the 52 tooth crank did resolve most of the issue of ghost pedaling. My wife likes it so much that she's asked me to put a 56 tooth on there. Again, time will tell.
@@RetroHGenX Where are you getting the new crank from? Part #?
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop Both cranks came from Amazon. The 52 tooth is a 'Homoyoyo 0946WXJ20ONGI56E17IWZ'. The 56 tooth is a Bucklos 315658. I did not make up either of those names. :D
I haven't received the 56t yet so I won't know how well it fits until I install it. I'll update this post afterward.
@@RetroHGenX I appreciate that, thanks!
Great review Phil and Kelvin and a great bike.
I, for one, would be interested in hearing what ENGWE say about the Pedal Assist Settings.
Tae care my friend.
Cheers, Huw
I have to send them a video and then they will reply with the solution, Huw. I just have to get to it! 😊
Доброго времени суток, Фил. Вот это аппарат, мечта любого мальчишки. Когда Вы его собирали, показали колесо, мне кажется, я почувствовал запах резины. Я конечна извиняюсь, но Вы, возрастной мужчина, очень хорошо смотритесь на этом байке. Да, в нашем детстве таких "зверюг" не было. Хороший байк. Спасибо за видео.
Это как воплотить в жизнь свои детские мечты! Спасибо за просмотр! 😊
Hi, 👋, Phil @ Kelvin’s Place, Nice E Bike , that will keep you fit, stay safe,
That's the idea, just need a little warmer weather for me! 😊
There's nothing wrong with the speed sensor, pedal assist means you must pedal to gain some assist. Throttle is limited to 20mph, so don't throttle if you want to go faster, just pedal and change up through the assist levels and you'll reach higher speed (assuming you've set the limit higher than 20mph). The older L20 isn't throttle limited to 20mph, it'll go up to the same speed as maximum pedal assist (25mph on pedal assist 5) no matter what level of pedal assist is set.
Wow, you seem to have great knowledge of ebikes, John! I have so many questions! Why did Engwe agree to send me a new controller (until they said they don't have any, being a new company) when they watched the video? Why do my other ebikes, (I have seven now) work without peddling? Each pedal assist level has a setting maybe 10 mph for PA 1, 12 for PA 2 etc. They all go up to a different speed in each level without peddling! Sure, I can peddle to a different speed in each level, as well, but that is not my point! I sure hope you can answer all my questions for me! 😊
Hi Phil. No, not an expert, I could be wrong but as I understand things, this is a legal requirement to comply with USA class-2 e-bike laws in certain states. I have an L20 with 250w motor and 48v battery. To comply with the law, Engwe ships to UK with throttle disabled and pedal assist limited to 25kmh (15.5mph). When throttle is enabled it will reach the speed limit on throttle only except when in pedal assist zero. To gain more speed, you simply increase the limit in settings and I can achieve a whopping 25mph! 🥴
I'm probably stating the obvious here but you could try pedalling only and see if pedal assist 4 & 5 takes you above 20mph, if not, then try increasing speed limit (lots of RUclips demos or text me, maybe I can help).
Re: Engwe being a new company, they have been trading since 2014 so maybe you just caught someone without full knowledge of the latest specifications! I'm certain your controller is good as I've seen several other reviews and they state the same throttle limit of 20mph.
Good luck in sorting this out, please let me know how you get on with things. Rgds, John 👌🚵 👍
Yet another none turning but still interesting video. Spring is just around the corner and there should be more bikes on the road and even better with battery power 🌞
Oh, yeah, spring and battery power, an unbeatable combination, Ray! 😊
Hi Phil, this was fun, sorry I'm late again! I'm going to help you out with the problem you had alrhough i expect you know by now.
I have an ebike with five pedal assist modes but no throttle as they're not allowed in the uk unless you get a license plate and tax it and goodness knows what else.
Anyway i believe the point you missed was that those five modes are for "pedal" assist. So ignore the throttle, put it in mode one and pedal, you'll find you have a light assistance up to maybe 8 or 10 mph and you will use the least amount of power. As you go up through the levels you will notice when pedalling (crucially!) the amount of assistance you get and the maximum speed you can reach increases. This until the final level, was it 5 like mine? You'll get maximum assistance up to the top speed mentioned in the manual, i think there was one for throttle only and one for pedal assist. Your throttle is unrelated to the pedal assist mode because you have control over the speed and power level in your grip-twist.
Hope this helps if you havent found out by now. Great review chaps, enjoy your e-biking, I'm hoping for good weather to coincide with good health this year so I can get out more. 👍👏
Thank you, Jude, for your great description! 😊 Here, where we can have a throttle, it should work this way. Without any peddling, PA 1 should be (for instance, they are not all the same) 10 mph, then 2 should be 12 mph, 3 15 mph, and so on up to 20 mph in 5. That's how my other ebikes work. I didn't try, but I suspect that if I was just pedaling and shifted from 1-5 that there would be no difference. I've contact them, showed them a video of the problem and they are sending me a new speed controller to fix the issue. I'll update in another video.
I've been thinking about this, Jude. Does your bike actually have a throttle but it just doesn't work? There is a fix for that, if so. I watched a pretty good video that shows how: ruclips.net/video/-mFITOhlBYk/видео.html&index
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop ah bless you Phil. The nearest my bike has to a throttle is "Walk Assist" which is button you can hold down so the motor carries you to four mph. Our laws say that a bicycle is a "motor scooter" if it has a motor which will make it go faster than a pedal cycle and that is deemed to be just over 15mph I believe. So e-bikes are only allowed to have 250W motor and speed is restricted to 15mph. Older or slightly less able bodied people like me find the Walk Assist mode useful to get up to speed before pedalling. Then as long as you rotate the pedals, no effort required you can get along at a good speed but the motor stops at it's assigned speed at each power level, after that the power is all you!
Thanks for link anyway, it's very kind of you... I'm too unstable to be allowed to go any faster anyway! 😂
Hi Phil, I just got my L20 2.0 and it does the same as yours going 20mph through each of the pedal assist. I have phone call into company. Did they say there was something wrong if it does this? Are settings off?
@@livelifetarot8240 Interesting! They are sending me a new speed controller. Once I get it installed, I'll do an update video. 😊
There is often, a change in the display setting to enable a bit faster speed. You will need to talk to the company tech support to find the sequence of pushing buttons to access the change mode to override the factory setting of 20mph. The factory setting at 20mph is to legalize it as a Class2 ebike. For this type of bike, the faster setting speed is likely about 28mph.
Thank you, agree on all counts! But, usually there is a difference between Pedal Assist 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. Not on this one! 😊
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop - The meaning of Pedal assist is how much the controller enable current flow into the motor to help you pedaling... number1 assist means least assist and less velocity... number5 assist means the max amount of assist and faster velocity until the programmed max.
Torque sensors are pretty smart. They can tell how much effort you're putting into pedaling and adjust the motor's help accordingly. Ebikes with torque sensors are often more expensive due to the advanced technology involved.
Cadence sensors provide uniform assistance, which can be ideal for those seeking a consistent riding experience without fluctuating effort. Generally, cadence sensors are more budget-friendly .
Factory setting @20mph meaning the controller will cap the electric current flow at 20mph. Regardless of your world class leg muscles trying to pedal at speed of sound...
@@tuan-vu...RUclips It sounds like you are up on all things ebikes! That's great! In the video, I'm not peddling. In PA 1, it should take me to say 10mph, in 2, 12mph, etc. It stays at 20 no matter what. I will get it fixed, just need to talk to the techs.
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop - I got several ebikes... from the foldable 500W, to single motor 750W, to single motor 1000W, to dual motor 1500W, dual motor 2000W, to single motor ebike that do 45+ mph... I have not driven my clunker SUV that does 12mpg combined highway/city streets in a while.... I have been enjoying riding ebikes for 3+ years.
@@tuan-vu...RUclips Love that, very cool! 😊
This model has a TORQUE SENSOR (NOT a Cadence Sensor). That is why it goes 20MPH regardless of assist mode you are in. The PAS levels only come into play when you pedal assist without throttle engaged. My Aventon Aventure with a TORQUE SENSOR works exactly the same way. Hope this helps.
It's interesting that you say this. The Engwe people told me it's a defective controller and they would send me a new one when they get extra stock. I have several ebikes that operate the way I described it should be. I don't have any ebikes with torque sensors.
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop You have one now. That model shows to have a Torque Sensor on their website. I just ordered one for $799. Will arrive in a few days. There is no way I would go back to a Cadence Sensor after using a Torque Sensor.
@@mwreyf1 Link to torque sensor info for this bike on their site, please?
I want the little pink car, but am afraid it won’t fit this old bod. Guess I could get the pink e-bike, but I like the green colored one!
I was going to give this to my daughter but she wants the pink one, too! 😊
@@valeriehenschel1590 My wife got the pink one and loves it especially now that we put a 56 tooth crank on there to help eliminate ghost pedaling. We took it to the thermal belt rail trail in North Carolina this weekend and did 28 miles and still had three bars left.
On rough terrain did light hit rack?
Not at all. I received a note from Engwe to please put it back, it's not safe but they didn't say why. I'll take another look at it and make a decision. 😊
Not available in the UK even though they do advertise world wide shipping.
Bummer! I didn't know that. 😊
Howdy Phil 👋👋
Howdy, Blair! 😊
Only thing i don't like about this bike is the weak rear rack as per the Portola where you can carry a passenger and the cable brakes.I'm still shopping,big guy i am so the extra power is attractive.
😊 I hope you find what works best for you!
If you start pedaling, it will go up to 28-29 mph ;) On throttle only - 20-21mph
Correct, that is the way they work. 😄
I didn’t get a front rack
I can't remember what the deal was with this one. Sometimes they change the free accessories from time to time. Sometimes I ask them to include an accessory that is not free. Just don't remember, sorry! 😊
I'd love to own one, certainly, but the checkbook is weak. Shucks. 😟
They have a financing plan and with my code it's only $700 bucks with free shipping! 😊
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop Problem is, the necessity to make the mortgage payment shouts louder. Shucks. 😟
Decisions decisions….
For $699, it should be an easy decision, Chris! 😊
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop really thinking about it Phil, definitely in the market!
How many does one man need!!
Depends on how big his family is, Alan! 😊
Wow, that looks like fun. Thanks for sharing.👍❤️🙏🏻
You are to PEDAL in each level. Try level 1 and PEDAL the entire time & see how fast you go WHILE.PEDALING.
I'm not new to ebikes, Rosco. 😊 You may be in the UK where what you say is true. Here, we have a working throttle and pedaling is not necessary. Each level of pedal assist should have a different top speed assigned to it. Just using the throttle gets you there. If you choose to pedal also, the motor stops assisting at those assigned top speeds.
@@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop I'm in the US & have 2 of these bikes. At 20 mph, I can pedal to 28 mph. Been riding ebikes since 2017.
I agree, this is the FIRST ebike I've ridden that has no limiter for the PAS. Weird, too. Dumb as well.
@@imRosco69 Cool, you know your ebikes! But, you do know you don't HAVE to pedal, right? I like to pedal, that's why I wanted one of these but, it's nice to not have to pedal when I get tired. I'm OLD!
I'm 72 yrs old, so I always pedal. I need to keep myself moving more than the bike moving. 😂. And it sure is nice to not break a sweat doing it. 😉
@@imRosco69 I'm 76, I get it! 😊