Just looking Kirby within the context of Melee, playing as Kirby in Melee is the equivalent to a "NES Hard" game. It's insanely challenging and rather unfair for you if you choose to play Kirby, but if you're amazing enough and thanks to Melee's amazing core gameplay, Kirby can be a force to be reckoned with. Someone, somewhere has a threatening Kirby, and if that player learns more about him like Amsa did with Yoshi or Axe with Pikachu, Kirby can stop sucking and start exhaling to victory. He's not the best, but he''s so infamously bad that maybe he's overlooked.
The thing is Kirbys recovery is extremely exploitable and unlike Yoshi and Pika you cant just simply wing it and win with skill, Kirby requires little skill but good reading ability more than them since he has very little things to guarantee follow ups. Hes not the worst character in the game imo but anybody whos good can utulize a certain character to differing potentials and sadly Kirbys highest potential barely scores him as a mid tier if lucky. Well be graced to see if a Kirby ever makes Top 8 in a Major with the current or future meta.
lol wtf his suicide strats are super bad, they're not the things that make him good lol, and if you want to use ground hammer, just charge a smash attack
ludvig4 His suicide ability lets him even out the game if he has more percent racked up if he goes for the opportunity and if he has the lead he could potentially suicide to victory, but its a rare thing since people are aware of this and they can choose not to break out of inhale so you might fall as well. Also if you end up getting a KO if you can suicide with your opponent youll be a stock ahead. His hammer can kill at high percents but only with reads like I stated, F-smash is odviously better for generally launching them off and being faster but probably wont kill even partially charged.
yeah but the inhale is super predictable, and the 2 of the 3 suicide grabs can be mashed out of. Upthrow is the only good suicide move, but requires you to have a lead.
There are some characters than can be inhaled easily due to having a fixed recovery like Falcon as an example but most of the time its better just to D-air. I dont remember bringing up his side throws since they do absolutely nothing in the competitive scene since everyone WILL break out of them. Instead of using smash attacks his B-air works way better (assuming its not too staled) its almost instant and has a lot of knockback, plus U-air can kill if high enough on the screen. Well thats all I got for the discussion, I dont think I do amazing but it seems to work for me in just random matches for fun.
bear in mind recovery isn't always about distance either; having a lot of options is incredibly important kirby has a small amount of different options; kirby has many different ways to try and get on stage, but they're all countered very easily and they can be covered almost all at once falco, on the other hand, has a lot of different options; fire bird with a ton of angles, falco phantasm that can be shortened, shine stalling, and a walljump.
yeah you guys are right, falco does have more option I was speaking distance wise, if kirby does forward air after each double jumps like in 64, drifts and wait to double jump again, he can actually cover much more distance than falco. Falco's note on his recovery was judged in term of distance when compared to fox's, I thought it was only fair to compare the two distance wise.
Up until this year the only smash game I'd played was the N64 (I know, I'm a LITTLE behind) and I was REALLY good at it. My main was Kirby and I loved him. When I finally got round to playing melee this year my heart was broken. "Look how they massacred my boy"...
I main Kirby because he's one of my favorite franchises. That's what people should do. Play a character from a game they seriously love. I'm not doing very well in Smash, especially Melee, but I really hope to get better
Kirby is your main if: -You actually enjoy to play as this character because it’s your choice to play who whoever and whenever instead of bowing down to a stupid tier list by a bunch of people who think their important because they knew how to wavedash. If you want to play Kirby, go ahead and try to prove to those assholes wrong by beating them with the “shittiest” character. And no, Kirby mains don’t want to kill themselves or have crippling depression because at least they get to play a character they like.
This is the closest thing I've found to an actual guide of Melee Kirby. If anyone can find a serious and detailed guide, please send me the link. I don't care if he's considered the worst character in the game, I'm determined to main him because his red alt. looks like a tomato!!
Thank you SSBM Tutorials for shedding some light on Kirbys effectiveness. I only pocket him and do pretty well he has lots of great tools. Also the Samus matchup isnt completely hopeless since missiles and grabs are harder to land, not to mention you can also use the charge beam against Samus. Hes easy to use but relies on a decent amount of reads but not as heavy with them as bowser.
One things you are extremely wrong about - Kirby's grab range. It's actually above Roy's and right below Marth's (test it out). Plus he actually has a better shield grab than Marth since he has a higher traction and superior shield. There's a few other wrong things here but overall you did Kirby justice.
The real problem vs Peach and Samus is when they play a very solid grounded style and camp. You might be able to get chips through bair OoS or really good ftilt spacing but you have to win neutral so many more times as a character with a worse neutral in almost every way. You actually have a few tools quite good for dealing with CC, but even some of these "slower" floaties outmaneuver you with little effort, so hitting them while they try to outspace (or just run away from) you while also dealing with ASDI down is a pain.
You are a master hand player if: you don't like dying hate other players hate losing like being 3rd player don't like to admit having no skill sorry if this seems harsh
Whenever i play kirby i use his crouch and i bassically get pushed barely like a 120% im ussually like is it just me or because ur crouching it tries to force u to stay crouching... plus kirby is my main because he has been my favorite since i got a gameboy or got a game atleast i dont remember but in my heart he will always be one of my true mains
By being the worst, Kirby got better. Let me explain. By being the worst character in the game, people thought they should try playing a shit character. They actually played him to the point of finding new techniques.
That's also how Peach became B (or C tier I think) to A Tier thanks to Armada's discovery of Instant Float Cancel. Similarly, how Yoshi jumped out quite a few spots thanks to the pioneering genius that was aMSa: discovering dj armor, parrying and his insane use of eggs as both a combo and kill-setups..
i would love to see a video on like mentality, tips on like catching on to different things in game and making decisions and adjustments as the game goes on, or even fixing your own mistakes. Thanks!
Hi! I discovered your videos recently, i enjoyes them so much and i am waiting to see link and young link video. I think it's a character than it's hard to know in wich traits are good and overall has a quite creative style. It would be very helpfull!
That's why they did Kirby, right? The video you're on right now? Because Kirby definitely isn't the least viable character in the entire game... Fucking moron lmao
Just discovered your channel, awesome stuff yo. Would you ever make a Mario Tutorial/ Are you a mario player? Love using Mario and would love to know of the top Mario users around the world and what techniques they use to stay consistent
The reason I main kirby is because at first i just liked the character but when I figured out he is low teir I stuck by him just to show he can be great
Kirby's hammer has 65 base knockback, 76 scaling. Kirby's F-smash has 24 base knockback, 96 scaling. At every possible kill percent, his F-smash is stronger, but also comes out faster, lingers longer, and ends sooner. There's never a reason to hammer instead of F-Smash.
You are a Kirby player if:
-You believe he has potential
-You want a challenge
-You want to prove low tiers are good
tahts why i play kirby and bowser lul
"prove low tiers are good" a bit of an oxymoron if you ask me.
Don’t forget that you have to have eaten at least one crayon
*bottom tier
My character list is Meele is from f to d
Kirby, game and watch, and yoshi
Kirby's most powerful ability is being easily underestimated.
That's weird, it's not April yet.
SgtTreecko they just released it early /s
April will be "Are you a Bowser main?"
and the video will just be Kira's intro and then him saying "no, you're *not* a Bowser main"
SgtTreecko Fuck you.
SgtTreecko well this inspired me to become a kirby main in melee
SgtTreecko >:(
Kirby is your main if:
- You hate yourself, your life and everything you could ever live for
crazykid2710 also if you think you're a low tier god
If you just enjoy the character, which is why I play Kirbs. Also I want to advance his meta a bit.
Looks like I found the main for me!
crazykid2710
Ok, I'm switching to Kirby.
Itsgamer 200 TPURNEMENT.
Kirby is for you:
If you Mistaken this as Smash 64
IGN1T3R rblx&SmashBros leave now
@@xXSpongeBroBrownPantzXx why?
@@AspectCave I said that because Kirby was one of my mains in melee, and I thought he was over-hated.
Well wow. (Anyone that reads this, do self improvement)
@@xXSpongeBroBrownPantzXx you're a king
Just looking Kirby within the context of Melee, playing as Kirby in Melee is the equivalent to a "NES Hard" game. It's insanely challenging and rather unfair for you if you choose to play Kirby, but if you're amazing enough and thanks to Melee's amazing core gameplay, Kirby can be a force to be reckoned with. Someone, somewhere has a threatening Kirby, and if that player learns more about him like Amsa did with Yoshi or Axe with Pikachu, Kirby can stop sucking and start exhaling to victory.
He's not the best, but he''s so infamously bad that maybe he's overlooked.
The thing is Kirbys recovery is extremely exploitable and unlike Yoshi and Pika you cant just simply wing it and win with skill, Kirby requires little skill but good reading ability more than them since he has very little things to guarantee follow ups. Hes not the worst character in the game imo but anybody whos good can utulize a certain character to differing potentials and sadly Kirbys highest potential barely scores him as a mid tier if lucky. Well be graced to see if a Kirby ever makes Top 8 in a Major with the current or future meta.
lol wtf his suicide strats are super bad, they're not the things that make him good lol, and if you want to use ground hammer, just charge a smash attack
ludvig4 His suicide ability lets him even out the game if he has more percent racked up if he goes for the opportunity and if he has the lead he could potentially suicide to victory, but its a rare thing since people are aware of this and they can choose not to break out of inhale so you might fall as well. Also if you end up getting a KO if you can suicide with your opponent youll be a stock ahead. His hammer can kill at high percents but only with reads like I stated, F-smash is odviously better for generally launching them off and being faster but probably wont kill even partially charged.
yeah but the inhale is super predictable, and the 2 of the 3 suicide grabs can be mashed out of. Upthrow is the only good suicide move, but requires you to have a lead.
There are some characters than can be inhaled easily due to having a fixed recovery like Falcon as an example but most of the time its better just to D-air. I dont remember bringing up his side throws since they do absolutely nothing in the competitive scene since everyone WILL break out of them. Instead of using smash attacks his B-air works way better (assuming its not too staled) its almost instant and has a lot of knockback, plus U-air can kill if high enough on the screen. Well thats all I got for the discussion, I dont think I do amazing but it seems to work for me in just random matches for fun.
I have a feeling that a fair amount of Kirby mains play him primarily because they want to win with the supposed worst character in the game.
i never knew kirby was weak and ended up winning my first match against sone experienced people
+WhiteBlock CC they probably don't know the matchup or you're more experienced than them
I sucked so bad that i spammed his recovery. But yeah they probably never knew how to properly avoid it
WhiteBlock CC tbh, that shit *is* annoying, it’s not necessarily a good strat but getting through it cons be a bit tricky if you dint know the matchup
He's fun, though.
I love that you actually give helpful advice for tournament Kirby instead of crushing someone's dreams and telling them not too, much respect.
5:48
Kirby has the 7th longest grab in the game, right behind Yoshi
...?
Andrew Ricklefs Marth's grab is ridiculous
It means Yoshis grab looks long but the hit box is small
Kirby does have a good grab. Too bad his throws are absolute garbage. =/
@@hihihihihihihihihihihey wait, does flat zone affect 3D hitboxes? Just asking
kirby is your character if:
-you're willing to take the opponent down with you
村正本刀に三世 In other words, suicidal.
That’s honestly my favorite way to kill people
本刀に村正 unless they know how to jump
Who would win one sucky boy or the jump button
Kirby is your main if:
You train by using Kirby so you could show those players who's boss.
Kirby is my main because he is spherical... SPHERICAL!!
I've been playing Kirby in Melee for 13 years and I always won at Kirby
Kirby is your main if:
YOU JUST LOVE THE KIRBY GAMES
FINALLY
Yo give him 3 recovery, hes got a better recovery than falco come on.
What the fuck
bear in mind recovery isn't always about distance either; having a lot of options is incredibly important
kirby has a small amount of different options; kirby has many different ways to try and get on stage, but they're all countered very easily and they can be covered almost all at once
falco, on the other hand, has a lot of different options; fire bird with a ton of angles, falco phantasm that can be shortened, shine stalling, and a walljump.
Falco doesn't even have the worst recovery out of the viable characters lmao. He has more options than Sheik does.
yeah you guys are right, falco does have more option
I was speaking distance wise, if kirby does forward air after each double jumps like in 64, drifts and wait to double jump again, he can actually cover much more distance than falco.
Falco's note on his recovery was judged in term of distance when compared to fox's, I thought it was only fair to compare the two distance wise.
Up until this year the only smash game I'd played was the N64 (I know, I'm a LITTLE behind) and I was REALLY good at it. My main was Kirby and I loved him. When I finally got round to playing melee this year my heart was broken.
"Look how they massacred my boy"...
I main Kirby because he's one of my favorite franchises. That's what people should do. Play a character from a game they seriously love. I'm not doing very well in Smash, especially Melee, but I really hope to get better
Kirby's grab is actually the fourth-longest non-tether grab behind yoshi, Roy, and Marth.
Annihilates God-like beings in his games, loses to rats and foxes in melee.
Triple R
Kreygasm
lol
Minnesota pride
Fun fact: Kirby's up smash has very similar kncokback to fox's. For the first frame. Where the hitbox is essentially the same size as puff's rest
Kirby is your main if:
-You actually enjoy to play as this character because it’s your choice to play who whoever and whenever instead of bowing down to a stupid tier list by a bunch of people who think their important because they knew how to wavedash. If you want to play Kirby, go ahead and try to prove to those assholes wrong by beating them with the “shittiest” character. And no, Kirby mains don’t want to kill themselves or have crippling depression because at least they get to play a character they like.
I like you.
I got a loot crate once. Inside was a rope and a paper written "Its time".
:(*
This is the closest thing I've found to an actual guide of Melee Kirby. If anyone can find a serious and detailed guide, please send me the link. I don't care if he's considered the worst character in the game, I'm determined to main him because his red alt. looks like a tomato!!
Kirby is my boy, I play him in every smash game
Who here has always mained kirby
Just a pocket in every single smash game, hes fun and easy to use.
Me. Kirby, no matter what game, is basically my go-to character.
poisonduck P way to be
Kirby has always been my main. I have a pocket Marth in Melee for when things inevitably go south, but Kirby is always my first pick.
gus stwert me ^^
Thank you SSBM Tutorials for shedding some light on Kirbys effectiveness. I only pocket him and do pretty well he has lots of great tools. Also the Samus matchup isnt completely hopeless since missiles and grabs are harder to land, not to mention you can also use the charge beam against Samus. Hes easy to use but relies on a decent amount of reads but not as heavy with them as bowser.
If you main Kirby in Melee, you're fucking insane. And so am I.
I do it because I like Kirby and I'm insane. Fight me.
One things you are extremely wrong about - Kirby's grab range. It's actually above Roy's and right below Marth's (test it out). Plus he actually has a better shield grab than Marth since he has a higher traction and superior shield. There's a few other wrong things here but overall you did Kirby justice.
well, its because he isn't top tier, which is why kira is biased on the consensus that Kirby is bad that his positives are barely any good.
Kirby is your main if:
You like Kirby series in general.
Why? Just why doesn't he mention that a bit
For the sake of comedy, I suppose.
Not always the case
Kirby is so good dude. His matchup against shiek is better than 80% of the cast without memes even being applied
Kirby's my favorite character, why didn't many Melee players use Kirby? I believe he's underrated in Melee
Kirby is the super tough pink puff
Kirby is top tier. Much like 64 Luigi, brawl ganon, sm4sh jigglypuff, and the best in smash history, ultimate little mac
The real problem vs Peach and Samus is when they play a very solid grounded style and camp. You might be able to get chips through bair OoS or really good ftilt spacing but you have to win neutral so many more times as a character with a worse neutral in almost every way. You actually have a few tools quite good for dealing with CC, but even some of these "slower" floaties outmaneuver you with little effort, so hitting them while they try to outspace (or just run away from) you while also dealing with ASDI down is a pain.
1. Be a kirby master in melee
2. Bet for a game of melee
3. Screw up the enemy
4. ?????
5. Profit
This makes me sad,cause not only was he the second best character in 64,but cannon nintendo lore,Kirby may be the strongest character
I play Kirby because nobody has fought against him enough to know what to do
Are You a Master Hand Player?
You are a master hand player if:
you don't like dying
hate other players
hate losing
like being 3rd player
don't like to admit having no skill
sorry if this seems harsh
-If you hate the game
-Can convince to's to let you play as him
-Love crashing the game
-Cannnot do literally any tech
Once you go kirby main, you never go back.
I'm a kirby main because...
Fuck tier lists. I know I'm gonna lose but kirby sure is fun to use
0:58 BLUE KIRBY TRUE KIRBY
1:00 PINK KIRBY TRUE KIRBY
ludvig4 but everybody likes blue kirby
I don't
ludvig4 well out of every other color his blue color is the most popular (and also ross from game grumps plays blue kirby so bonus points)
I use blue kirby, I'm a kirby god
Ness's results are pretty solid when you look back at Simna
Kirby's grab range is 7th longest in the game wtf
Kirby is your main if:
- you enjoy playing a simple character that's easy to play.
Kirby isn't about combos. Rather, it's about getting in their heads!
A kirby surviving longer than expected really messes with people.
Kirby is your main if:
-you f**king hate tierwhores
-you want to see a dead Fox
-you want to be like Tripple R
Kirby is your main if you like speedrunning classic mode on very hard.
It's funny that Keebs has already destroyed literal gods and entire dimensions.
Yet he's trash in all smash games
Except on 64. He's good in that one.
Jeffermida Cooks RUclips He's top tier in 64 and high tier in Brawl, what are you talking about?
KamektheMagikoopa1 what are you talking about high tier in brawl
@@fissilewhistle He's top of D tier. Not high at all.
He's c tier, b tier at best in ultimate
I’m a Kirby main because,
1. I love Kirby games
2. I’m good with him in smash
Whenever i play kirby i use his crouch and i bassically get pushed barely like a 120% im ussually like is it just me or because ur crouching it tries to force u to stay crouching... plus kirby is my main because he has been my favorite since i got a gameboy or got a game atleast i dont remember but in my heart he will always be one of my true mains
You're crouch canceling, which might be the reason why you are barely getting punished. Crouch canceling negates knockback of moves
do a link one
main young link
Kirby actually has great grab range.
FYI: KirbyRaeg has been going by the name SlayerS BoneR 420 in Norcal for a while before he moved to New York lol
Lootcrate is like Christmas every month if the only person sending you presents is your rich uncle you've never met in your life
guys it's not April 1st yet
Asbjørn Birkelund fuck you
Changed those stat bars, but Overall Offense still has some line that moves up when Overall Defense does.
If Kirby is your main: you like Kirby himself
You hate fox and flaco mains
You love the series
What is the point of having the 1-5 scale if you're gonna rate everything in half increments?
originally wasnt gonna have half increments but decided we should
DID I JUST SEE A KIRBY PLAYER WIN!?!??!?! KIRBY IS TOP TIER!!
yes finally, i main kirby and i want to see what is u??
Glad to see this back up!
Kirby is your main if: your awesome
That’s me
Pls do one on ness for us 3 ness mains
By being the worst, Kirby got better.
Let me explain.
By being the worst character in the game, people thought they should try playing a shit character. They actually played him to the point of finding new techniques.
That's also how Peach became B (or C tier I think) to A Tier thanks to Armada's discovery of Instant Float Cancel. Similarly, how Yoshi jumped out quite a few spots thanks to the pioneering genius that was aMSa: discovering dj armor, parrying and his insane use of eggs as both a combo and kill-setups..
Chris Pham people already knew about dj armour so....
ben dover like what?
not really. kirby still doesn't have anything.
@@bruceU He's really good at planning double suicides
I main Kirby because I taunt everyone that I down air into the abyss. :D
I remember switching to project M, and playing kirby. good stuff.
Thanks for the quality upload on my birthday Kira. 🙏
OH GOD MELEE!!!! What in the world did you do to Kirby? I think I'm gonna stick to smash 4 Kirby.....
That's why I think Melee is overrated
i would love to see a video on like mentality, tips on like catching on to different things in game and making decisions and adjustments as the game goes on, or even fixing your own mistakes. Thanks!
Kirby is top tier I swear
Kirby is Top Tier BONV#436
In conclusion: sakurai just buff him god damn
dude, did you really reupload just to change the 2/5 at the end? Kuddos to the dedication
Kirby actually has 5/5 for all stats.
Now do zelda next
Arson Bjork you
Arson Bjork press down + B
Arson Bjork you're a zelda main if you dont know how to press down B
good 2 c u here arson.. your life hacks and will it tech series helped me improve as a player/human being.. thx!
Arson Bjork why are you watching this? You are probably the least likely Person to see this.you have never said anything about smash in your channel
Hammer is a decent ko move
Dean on the Grid if you can sweet spot it
I personally think bowser is a worse character than Kirby. cause the sheik matchup is virtually undoable
You’re a Kirby main if
-You think he is better then jigglypuff
-you played 64
Right
@smashbros 4 glue drinker
Finally a competitive character
Hi! I discovered your videos recently, i enjoyes them so much and i am waiting to see link and young link video. I think it's a character than it's hard to know in wich traits are good and overall has a quite creative style. It would be very helpfull!
7 years later, i start to play smash melee, and i main kirby because i main him in Ultimate. And then i see this video.
I main Kirby in Melee and all my friends hate me (Cuz they lose to a low tier)
It’s sad how Kirby was the 2nd in n64 and then came all the way to the worst...
This is why Melee shouldn't be consider to be the best Smash game.
I’m just a Kirby loyalist
N64's uptilt simulator was a nightmare...
Can you do one of these videos on Ganondorf and young link
on my eyes kirby is like pre-street figther 4 dan hibiki
Coque/Coke : too bad he's god tier in 64 so not entirely
except dan got buffed in street fighter so he isn't as bad as he was before
I think you forgot to remove it from the playlist cause it contains a private video xD
Also, please do g&w
Mondester How about they finish doing all the viable characters first instead of making videos on the shitty ones.
That's why they did Kirby, right? The video you're on right now? Because Kirby definitely isn't the least viable character in the entire game... Fucking moron lmao
Wow why the hate for unviable characters ?
I don't know but I wish he would do one for pichu sooner than later
I fucking hope not
Mega Raichu ikr
a skilled kirby can beat any marth
I'm just sitting here, sad because my melee disk doesn't work anymore because of the tremendous amount of scratches on the disk. :(
Just discovered your channel, awesome stuff yo. Would you ever make a Mario Tutorial/ Are you a mario player? Love using Mario and would love to know of the top Mario users around the world and what techniques they use to stay consistent
its_ya_boi_javi he will eventually I just don't know when
The reason I main kirby is because at first i just liked the character but when I figured out he is low teir I stuck by him just to show he can be great
Rip 1/25 overall offense and a nearly full bar for overall defense.
Secondary for me. He's a lot of fun if you get the hang of hm.
Where's Ness? :(
Lol my buddy made me sign up for a melee tournament. I have a thousand hours logged in Sm4sh, but 0 in melee. Thx for the tutorials, I'm so screwed!
Or if you just like Kirby ...
This is wrong. Kirby's hammer is a kill move. It just has extreme lag, but it is viable in med-low play.
Kirby's hammer has 65 base knockback, 76 scaling.
Kirby's F-smash has 24 base knockback, 96 scaling.
At every possible kill percent, his F-smash is stronger, but also comes out faster, lingers longer, and ends sooner. There's never a reason to hammer instead of F-Smash.
I know. I was just legitimately confused when he said up tilt was the only kill option.
You’re a kirby main if you don’t care about throws
I just never get it. Why Sakurai just won't show love towards his characters?
Willez 99 because he wants to debunk Kirby bias but he went too far
Willez 99 Because when he does we get things like Brawl Meta Knight.