Smith carried this scene so well! You really get sense of how painful it must be to have thousands of years worth of memories and feelings all shoved into a few minutes
I agree. Rather than act out the past Doctor's pesona's he maintained his own character and simply reecounted famous dialogue of his former selfs. That meant we could see how desperate he was and in such torment. Remember Peter Davison doing caricatures in his first episode but that was based on a different premise and suited the story. In both cases the writers took the best approach.
I love how desperately the actual Doctor wants to help him. At least the OG doctor had all those experiences spread out over about a thousand years, to have them all blasted through your brain in a couple of minutes, including the time war, must have been insanely painful.
No. He had time to grow stronger against each one over tens of thousands of years. But those memories and experiences. Same as what the flesh is experiencing, assail him each and every moment he stops, all of them. They don’t stop, they don’t go away, they don’t leave him. He merely becomes stronger. The flesh does not have that strength Another being tried bearing his burden and he damn near imploded, in any other continuity including our own I’d be surprised if he didn’t jump into an acid vat (couldn’t shoot himself because they don’t have guns) And those weren’t even the bad moments flooding through the flesh, just random regular occurrences
on top of that, the Flesh always thinks its the original. I hate to say "compare it to" but... compare it the the Mauler Twins from Invincible. Neither one knows wo the original is because of how it affects them. When Flesh Doctor is born and realises he is the Flesh copy, i think thats why he is yelling why over and over. He's realised "I'm the clone. I'm the expendable one. I'm the one he is going to use then scrap. Why? Why? WHY!?"
@@AzguardMike Yeah, I think it's a mix of everything. The Flesh is going through a lot. Not to mention the horror of realizing _what_ you cloned. To continue your sin, compare it to lovecraftian horror. Lovecraftian horror is canon to Doctor Who. The Great Old Ones exist. The Great Intelligence is literally Yog-Sothoth. The Seventh Doctor impersonated Nyarlathotep and convinced it's followers that he was he. Cartmel hinted that his Master Plan concept with The Doctor being The Other was also The Other is Nyarlathotep, which means some writers on Doctor Who have conceived of The Doctor as _that_ of all things. Imagine then, being a normal being, and entering the mind of a self-made Lovecraftian abomination. Something that is a Great Old One in all but name, not by birth and species but by deed and action. Something that slowly rotted and decayed into a walking paradoxical abomination, a life formed from events that never happened and places that will never be. Thanks to the length of the show airing, The Doctor visited near futures that no longer exist, since he's now in our present and near-future, so presumably that happens all the time thanks to how wibbly wobbly time is. The Doctor has served to prevent timelines from existing after having been there. And that's before the Time War basically blew up chronological time and bent the universe into nothing but paradox until he sealed it in a bubble. The Time War is a Lovecraftian war, the most horrid thing that could ever happen. And _that_ is even in his head. Imagine copying that mind. Imagine knowing that you just did this to yourself, that before you were just a Flesh and now you are endowed with the mind of the Lonely God. It's literally a Lovecraftian experience. The Doctor perceives reality itself as only a Time Lord can, and quite likely better than any other due to actual life experience. The only reason it can comprehend anything it's going through is thanks to having The Doctor's mind, which is the entire problem. And even that's not enough, The Doctor has experienced enough incomprehensible horrors that it's also going through The Doctor going through what it's going through. So being paradoxically aware of your own self when you're not supposed to be _and_ undergoing all that in seconds at the same time, including the experience of death numerous times, that's the most mind-destroying thing possible. Honestly, Doctor-Donna being so unstable and collapsing her entire mind makes perfect sense, she was doing this _slowly_ and the Flesh is doing it seconds. The human mind couldn't even unpack all this, and trying to would break it. The Flesh mind can unpack this, but it really shouldn't.
I like it how it shows how uncanny this nature of a time lord might look to a human. There are 10 people inside him! And they all are him. And they aren't. You don't think about it while watching DW, but you're more likely often get to see that kind of stuff in horrors, than in sci-fi
Well, normally a Time Lord uploads their past incarnation’s experiences and personality to the Gallifrey Matrix, so this isn’t really much of an issue.
@@Chuck_Shurley Since the Doctor doesn’t do that, he suffers more from having all of his past lives and information stored in his brain than a normal Time Lord would.
@@papaofthejohns5882 I only know they got thier 'souls' uploaded after they die completely. But nothing about their past selves. Is this info from the classics?
I love how the Prime Doctor hols him so close, you can tell that he knows how painful it must be for the Ganger Doctor to cope with thousands of years of memory, but given the context of how he held the Master in Last of the Time Lords, you can tell he really wants the Ganger Doctor to be able to exist so he can have as close to another time lord friend as he can get
Nah, more personal. It’s not a friend, he literally sees himself If he were to commit suicide under the weight of the Doctor’s being, he would see that as his own inevitable fate
@@PJOZeuswow that’s really insightful man, i hadn’t thought about that at all. im not a huge fan of this scene, the writing is ridiculous. it would have been more interesting to see the Doctorganger cope with it in a more down-to-earth way, in a quieter way more reminiscent of the eleventh doctor’s sadness. because i completely missed that subtext. the huge animated reaction is so distracting that i didn’t see the deeper meaning of this scene.
Wasn’t the “No, let it go, we’ve moved on!” From the Tenth Doctor talking to the Master? Begging him to let go of their rivalry and his ambitions, since they’re the only two Time Lords left?
"One day, we will get back..." -First Doctor (William Hartnell) "Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow." -Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee) "Would you like a jelly baby?" -Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) "Hello, I'm the Doctor." -Tenth Doctor (David Tennant)
@@star.master_cranium yah this a funny 11 moment. 12 has some funny moments too. Like when Clara is like what's that smell it's dreadful and he's like I know it's been following me around 🤣
Nice little edit although I’m gonna make one little point out, the dialogue of the first doctor isn’t actually the one from the dalek invasion of earth where he is saying goodbye to Susan, it is actually from the very first story when he’s saying that Susan and him are cut off from their own planet “but one day we shall get back….yes, one day” Not trying to complain just wanted to point out, still a fun little edit though
It's very interesting seeing a Time Lord, even a clone of a Time Lord, essentially have an identity crisis from multiple regenerations. This would be explored further in Big Finish, with the Time Lord known as the Eleven.
@@TaeSunWoono, they didn't exist because the Doctor is a timelord and the First Doctor is the real first doctor. He isn't some other non timelord alien and the even further back regeneration are silly retcon nonsense that we should ignore.
This was a weird scene and way to confirm that he was sick of himself as Ten. And that this temperament was sort of an escape from his megalomania and arrogance, and that its sort of embarrassing.
@@sivkaother6518 No problem! Sorry about the uncertainty. They're the same story and I forgot which episode is first, but it'll either be right at the end of part 1 or the beginning of part 2.
@@Kaicore_art cheers. I actually ended up seeing the episodes again a few days ago haha. Weird that I don't remember but to be fair when I was a kid watching for the first time I was too focused on how terrifying the flesh were to focus on what anyone was doing.
Smith carried this scene so well! You really get sense of how painful it must be to have thousands of years worth of memories and feelings all shoved into a few minutes
I agree. Rather than act out the past Doctor's pesona's he maintained his own character and simply reecounted famous dialogue of his former selfs. That meant we could see how desperate he was and in such torment. Remember Peter Davison doing caricatures in his first episode but that was based on a different premise and suited the story. In both cases the writers took the best approach.
I love how desperately the actual Doctor wants to help him. At least the OG doctor had all those experiences spread out over about a thousand years, to have them all blasted through your brain in a couple of minutes, including the time war, must have been insanely painful.
One wonders if a little telepathic assistance would have helped smith filter and organise all that raw data
No. He had time to grow stronger against each one over tens of thousands of years. But those memories and experiences. Same as what the flesh is experiencing, assail him each and every moment he stops, all of them.
They don’t stop, they don’t go away, they don’t leave him. He merely becomes stronger.
The flesh does not have that strength
Another being tried bearing his burden and he damn near imploded, in any other continuity including our own I’d be surprised if he didn’t jump into an acid vat (couldn’t shoot himself because they don’t have guns)
And those weren’t even the bad moments flooding through the flesh, just random regular occurrences
on top of that, the Flesh always thinks its the original. I hate to say "compare it to" but... compare it the the Mauler Twins from Invincible. Neither one knows wo the original is because of how it affects them. When Flesh Doctor is born and realises he is the Flesh copy, i think thats why he is yelling why over and over. He's realised "I'm the clone. I'm the expendable one. I'm the one he is going to use then scrap. Why? Why? WHY!?"
@@AzguardMike Yeah, I think it's a mix of everything. The Flesh is going through a lot. Not to mention the horror of realizing _what_ you cloned. To continue your sin, compare it to lovecraftian horror. Lovecraftian horror is canon to Doctor Who. The Great Old Ones exist. The Great Intelligence is literally Yog-Sothoth. The Seventh Doctor impersonated Nyarlathotep and convinced it's followers that he was he. Cartmel hinted that his Master Plan concept with The Doctor being The Other was also The Other is Nyarlathotep, which means some writers on Doctor Who have conceived of The Doctor as _that_ of all things.
Imagine then, being a normal being, and entering the mind of a self-made Lovecraftian abomination. Something that is a Great Old One in all but name, not by birth and species but by deed and action. Something that slowly rotted and decayed into a walking paradoxical abomination, a life formed from events that never happened and places that will never be. Thanks to the length of the show airing, The Doctor visited near futures that no longer exist, since he's now in our present and near-future, so presumably that happens all the time thanks to how wibbly wobbly time is. The Doctor has served to prevent timelines from existing after having been there. And that's before the Time War basically blew up chronological time and bent the universe into nothing but paradox until he sealed it in a bubble. The Time War is a Lovecraftian war, the most horrid thing that could ever happen. And _that_ is even in his head.
Imagine copying that mind. Imagine knowing that you just did this to yourself, that before you were just a Flesh and now you are endowed with the mind of the Lonely God. It's literally a Lovecraftian experience. The Doctor perceives reality itself as only a Time Lord can, and quite likely better than any other due to actual life experience. The only reason it can comprehend anything it's going through is thanks to having The Doctor's mind, which is the entire problem. And even that's not enough, The Doctor has experienced enough incomprehensible horrors that it's also going through The Doctor going through what it's going through. So being paradoxically aware of your own self when you're not supposed to be _and_ undergoing all that in seconds at the same time, including the experience of death numerous times, that's the most mind-destroying thing possible. Honestly, Doctor-Donna being so unstable and collapsing her entire mind makes perfect sense, she was doing this _slowly_ and the Flesh is doing it seconds. The human mind couldn't even unpack all this, and trying to would break it. The Flesh mind can unpack this, but it really shouldn't.
I like it how it shows how uncanny this nature of a time lord might look to a human. There are 10 people inside him! And they all are him. And they aren't. You don't think about it while watching DW, but you're more likely often get to see that kind of stuff in horrors, than in sci-fi
Well, normally a Time Lord uploads their past incarnation’s experiences and personality to the Gallifrey Matrix, so this isn’t really much of an issue.
@@papaofthejohns5882 wait, how is this relates to the matrix?
@@Chuck_Shurley Since the Doctor doesn’t do that, he suffers more from having all of his past lives and information stored in his brain than a normal Time Lord would.
@@papaofthejohns5882 I only know they got thier 'souls' uploaded after they die completely. But nothing about their past selves. Is this info from the classics?
@@Chuck_Shurley I remember reading it in a Doctor Who book, I think it was 100 Objects In Doctor Who, or something like that.
I love how the Prime Doctor hols him so close, you can tell that he knows how painful it must be for the Ganger Doctor to cope with thousands of years of memory, but given the context of how he held the Master in Last of the Time Lords, you can tell he really wants the Ganger Doctor to be able to exist so he can have as close to another time lord friend as he can get
Nah, more personal.
It’s not a friend, he literally sees himself
If he were to commit suicide under the weight of the Doctor’s being, he would see that as his own inevitable fate
@@PJOZeuswow that’s really insightful man, i hadn’t thought about that at all. im not a huge fan of this scene, the writing is ridiculous. it would have been more interesting to see the Doctorganger cope with it in a more down-to-earth way, in a quieter way more reminiscent of the eleventh doctor’s sadness.
because i completely missed that subtext. the huge animated reaction is so distracting that i didn’t see the deeper meaning of this scene.
I love how his voice just switches to Tom Baker
and when 0:29 “hello i’m the doctor” switched to the 10th doctor
WOULD YOU LIKE A JELLY BABY😂 I remember seeing this episode when it aired and I was laughing my ass off
Then you watch the Mummy ep with Peter and Jesus when he switched Baker's voice it was STUNNING.
@@JnEricsonxThat's him doing an impression too
@@cornparade6874 I know, thats what blows my mind more.
"I've reversed the jelly baby with the neutron flow."
🤣
That's the drunk thing i have seen XD
When a Doctor Who fan walks into a bar.
Yes well, speaking in tongues tends to happen when you have a concussion @@ryannewman3589
“I’ve reversed the jelly baby of the neutron flow” is probably how this show sounds to people who think it’s ridiculous and don’t like it!
I've always found the Eleventh Doctor's ganger literally speaking in the Fourth Doctor's actual voice brilliantly creepy
I think Tennant's "I'm the Doctor" voice line is from "The Girl in the Fireplace"
Yup. "I'm the Doctor... and I just snogged Madame de Pompadour!"
i love that episode. one of my favorites.
Actually since I’m doing a rewatch. It’s actually from the episode known as 42.
@@BlaziethI knew it
I had absolutely no idea they used actual audio clips from older episodes for this, that's so cool! Thank you for compiling them together!
me neither other than the obvious tom baker one.
Oh no the Tom Baker jelly baby thing that was Matt Smith imitating Tom Baker
0:29 “hello i’m the doctor” switched to the 10th doctor voice
Wasn’t the “No, let it go, we’ve moved on!” From the Tenth Doctor talking to the Master? Begging him to let go of their rivalry and his ambitions, since they’re the only two Time Lords left?
No, it's a 4th wall break, telling the people upset than Ten left to move on.
@@matthewteo3111No it was the doctor Trying to make his mind focus on the here and now instead of memories
all three of you are obviously correct
@@matthewteo3111honestly all answers in this thread are correct especially this one!!!
@@NiennaFan1 Don't forget that the 10th doctor didn't want to go. Too bad, he moved on
I would have cried he had just said "I don't want to go" ....
Omg flesh doctor should have said that when he was melting!!!
Throw in a is This death from doctor number five
"One day, we will get back..."
-First Doctor (William Hartnell)
"Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow."
-Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee)
"Would you like a jelly baby?"
-Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker)
"Hello, I'm the Doctor."
-Tenth Doctor (David Tennant)
The Doctor one could have been literally any of them, there’s zero reason it has to be 10
It feels like they’re all classical who quotes
@@PJOZeus it sounded like Tennant
@PJOZeus It literally switched to the 10ths voice...
The best one in this is
When he slips back into 10 and is like
FOR FUCKS SAKE I SPENT THE LAST 2 GENERATIONS AS THAT MAN IM NOT GOING BACK
A few regenerations and a jigsawing of the Doctor's personal history later...
Excellent video! Thanks for putting this together and for sharing it with us! Cheers!
When he said “I’m the doctor” was taken from the girl in the fireplace.
I never realised they used David Tennant’s voice. I’ve noticed Tom Bakers before but not David Tennant.
This is the best scene in the entirety of season 6! I will not take that back you know it’s true!
Demons run has some very chilling moments.
@@charlespettit7149 But non quite as funny as this one...okay maybe except the monk thing and Strax being Strax.
@@star.master_cranium yah this a funny 11 moment. 12 has some funny moments too. Like when Clara is like what's that smell it's dreadful and he's like I know it's been following me around 🤣
This is a brilliant idea and video.
Nice little edit although I’m gonna make one little point out, the dialogue of the first doctor isn’t actually the one from the dalek invasion of earth where he is saying goodbye to Susan, it is actually from the very first story when he’s saying that Susan and him are cut off from their own planet “but one day we shall get back….yes, one day”
Not trying to complain just wanted to point out, still a fun little edit though
i always thought him saying let it go we've moved on was referring to the war doctor but it honestly there is multiple things that it could refer to
I'm pretty sure that's talking about 10
I'm pretty sure he was talking about all of it
I’ve reversed the jelly baby with the neutron flow
This makes me wanna go watch the episode just for this and the rest of their scenes after 👀 even though I’m already on Jodie’s Doctor right now😶
I know it's movie magic that make look like two doctors by the same actor are in the same room but it's still cool and impressive 😁
This was amazing!
Imagine if there were some quotes from the future
No one cares about later Who. Jodie, David and Ncuti ruined the show.
Russell T Davros
Same Doctor. New Face. New Body. New Personality. New Characteristics.
The "Let it go we've moved on!" to reference the attachment the Doctor had to his tenth form...
"I've reveresed the jelly baby with the neutron flow" 💀
Those Tom Baker and David Tennant impressions were really impressive honestly
We ALL saw the jelly baby line coming!
Makes me wanna go back and re watch the episode
When you’re making breakthroughs in mental health and your past bubbles to the surface of your nervous system rather quickly.
"let it go we've moved on" *had not moved on yet*
Twelfth does it too, when he regenerates.
The first clip should have been from an unearthly child when the doctor was talking to ian and and Barbara inside the ship.
Imagine at some point around the end the ganger Doctor just says "No more... No more... I can't..."
It's very interesting seeing a Time Lord, even a clone of a Time Lord, essentially have an identity crisis from multiple regenerations. This would be explored further in Big Finish, with the Time Lord known as the Eleven.
"No, let it go we've moved on."
Evidently not.
14th Doctor: (hits the griddy)
Too bad nouthin' of "fahntastic! " Skipped No. 9 he did.
Get your pitchforks out because I'm gonna say this two parter is the best story in season 6... besides the doctor's wife that's way better.
One more reason Timeless Child doesn’t work.
Wasn’t the doctor’s memories from that part of his/her life locked though
@@TaeSunWoono, they didn't exist because the Doctor is a timelord and the First Doctor is the real first doctor. He isn't some other non timelord alien and the even further back regeneration are silly retcon nonsense that we should ignore.
Awesome 🤩👍⭐️👏😎💙
Hello, I’m the doctor
I WANNA WATCH THE REST OF IT WHAT IS THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
S6 ep 6 of dr who (you get it on prime), “the almost people” about 1:08 in
This was a weird scene and way to confirm that he was sick of himself as Ten. And that this temperament was sort of an escape from his megalomania and arrogance, and that its sort of embarrassing.
Yeah well, the Doctor said he had vanity issues at the time.
@davidchism6081 vanity too. I think that's why I like Tenants Dr. He makes mistakes, he's flawed.
@@Kevenough Virgin Queen being a Zygon. Bunny Rabbit. And you are...just a rabbit are you?
Напомните, пожалуйста, из которого это эпизода?
The Rebel Flesh OR The Almost People
@@eleanormellor7905 благодарю!
@@sivkaother6518 No problem!
Sorry about the uncertainty. They're the same story and I forgot which episode is first, but it'll either be right at the end of part 1 or the beginning of part 2.
I don't remember this scene in the flesh episodes, whereabouts does it happen?
S6 ep 6, about 1:08 in
@@Kaicore_art cheers. I actually ended up seeing the episodes again a few days ago haha. Weird that I don't remember but to be fair when I was a kid watching for the first time I was too focused on how terrifying the flesh were to focus on what anyone was doing.
What episode is this from.
S6 ep 6, “the almost people” about 1:08 in
Which ep is this? it looks so familiar yet I can't place it
Not sure which part, but it's "The Rebel Flesh" and "The Almost People" two-parter.
Wich episode is this??
s6 ep6 the almost people
the very first scene
Which episode was this
s6 ep6 the almost people
the very start of it
"let it go, we've moved on" Russell T Davis apparently didn't...