In my mind the winning or losing screen only takes up 1 percent of the whole game so the rest is a win nonetheless. Enjoy your games guys, one day you will play your last one.
Immortal pos3 player here. These words of wisdom are true. Only when I embraced my Divine II plateau, stopped caring about mmr, started watching replays to learn macro aspects of the game, i started gaining mmr and eventually reached immortal :)
You're completely right and I found the same thing to be true. The more I focused on and cared about the number the worse I did overall and the more I just focused on playing the game and doing well the better my performance and the less likely I would get tilted too.
I am a 2k rank solo queue support. . When I play in a 6k lobby with 6k friends im a 6k support player. I actually get picked on that my rank symbol is so low and called a reverse smurf.
True, but on the other hand, caring, like, actually caring about your rank is one way to improve too. I hated being a 1.9k scrub, I did not enjoy my time there, and I wanted to improve. It did not yet come to watching replays, but I did watch guides, and started practicing lasthitting before each session, while also selecting a few heroes to stick to. And I am 3.8 at the moment. Thing is, if you just like seeing numbers go up and cry about people preventing you from seeing them grow, this is not actually caring. Caring about your rank means actively doing something to improve at the game
Well the last few minutes very true , when i stoped caring about mmr and started focusing on the strategy in game and mechanics I went from 5k to 7k in 2 month's When i decided to double down to gain mmr i lose 80% of the time But when i missclick it winrate 90%
I stopped caring win loss and just gained 1000 in 3 weeks, even we were getting stomped by 5-30 I was focusing to atleast win single fight nothing else mattered. My team can lose but I should not lose my sh*t, this mentality helped me to go 2.3k to 3.4k for now. I guess my constant resist against enemy brings my toxic teammates together mentally stable. Also just play non-ranked when you wanna chill!
Going from Crusader bracket to Legend was just a bloodfest. Well, not really to blame most of it on teammates but usually because of drafting. I had so many games where we had a shitload of damage but zero catching or tanky heroes, so when the enemy team who do have those things, it always ends up the enemy team winning fights in a comeback scenario. It's more of figuring out which perfect heroes needed to play that would suit the team better than playing something that is more comfortable with your play style. And going through that, it helped a lot with me winning games until reaching the Archon bracket. Albeit I suffered a lot of MMR loss because of trying multiple heroes. But having a lot of practice and knowing which heroes hit their spike faster or has a stronger scaling, it's these things that end up determining whether you win a game from the 1k to 3k brackets.
I actually like the concept of a role based rank instead of a general rank. It doesn't necessarily work in most games but it would work very well in dota
I think there is one perspective i can offer, i also went a phase of caring about rank and trying hard, but that didnt help me increase , but when i was chilling and playing with a chill mind, i was ranking up so fast, my reasoning in this is, when we are stressing about it, we perform worse, but all the things we learn during those times stay with us, so after trying hard to rank up and failing, we still learnt alot. So now that we are playing chill those things we learn, we still apply but with a calm mind, which makes u more consistently better
Coming from a friend of mine that is a semi pro Dota player he says that switching up roles might be a bit of a challenge but if you are good at your role you can very quickly get good at another role if you have a great understanding of the game. So the tinker spammee might be shit at any other hero but he/she will quickly get good at other heroes just by natering the unfamiliar mechanics. To me that's a measure of skill in the game. It's the same things as a highly skilled player having a bad day, the potential to do very well is still there it just depends on the day. I think the ranking system looks busted at first glance and very analytically it may seem unfair but all the chaotic challenges of the games you face were faced by all of the people above your rank(excluding the boosted and account buyers) at the end of the day you can blame the griefer in your last game but what made you lose the 8 games before that. I'd say the only outliers in the ranked game play would be party queues. They can always get carried and do minimal to get a high rank but who are they and what are they worth in solo match making. And if they go nowhere then that's all you need to know. At the end of the day your skill at the game is knowing it well enough to manipulate it to your will to win. If you have a griefer or a noob, how much do you know about the game to improve your chances of overcoming that. And if you can get your chances to over 50% you'll eventually get out of that dreadful bracket to face the new challenges of the griefers of the new bracket. And so the ranked grind continues. I tried to explain to my friend that his 30 kills on a carry was not as impressive because of the fact that they still lost the game because it means he had the power to end the game being so far ahead but he chose not to. And sure his team let him down by not carrying their weight but he had the win but didn't know how to capitalize on it while a better player would have.
what personally shocks me is the big MMR Inflation since the Glicko System got introduced. Like everyone is Immortal now, and the Game Quality of Immortal games is absolutely horrendous. 8k Matches feel like pre Glicko 6.5k Matches at best, 7k Games sometimes feel like 5k Games and the lower you go the worse it gets. 5-6k Immortal is absolutely insane, how awful the Game Quality is. I can't even imagine how it is like playing in the Ranks that are not even Immortal. What Valve definitely should do is to Implement some more Ranks, or shift the Ranks up in MMR. Because the way it is right now, Immortal is just completely busted. I have no clue how it is though for ranks like Divine and below. About the Video though, the thing that I can recommend people is, to not care about their Rank. I have been in the past low digit number Immortal before, and you always ask yourself at some point, well what do you actually have from this. Like there will be people here and there saying OMG you so good and good job or whatever, or annoy you with things like "can you teach me"... if you want to get a high rank do it ONLY for yourself, and not to get gratification from others. But my very very best advice I can give you is, play the Game for fun... honestly, just have fun playing with your friends and have a nice laugh together doing hilarious things. I would literally do anything nowadays to be a 2k player or so and just being able to queue with friends for fun and have a nice enjoyable time. You can't smurf anymore or get a lower ranked Acc with the changes Dota did, and even playing unranked is absolutely unfair, when your friends are 1k and you are 8k. Because they will play against other much higher ranked players, and that destroys their fun. Think about where your priorities are, if you want to grind that game seriously, or do you enjoy to play the Game with friends and just have a nice time.
Good video. I'd add an important reality check to it all. The only people for whom rank/MMR matters are the people that genuinely believe they have a shot at going pro. If you're at that level, sure, your rank does matter because scouting for the best players is a reality. But for literally everyone else, the other 99.9% of the population, the only thing that truly matters is that you enjoy the games of dota you play. And I don't even think solo queue is the best avenue to maximize that enjoyment, playing with friend stacks, even unranked leads to way more fulfilling games most of the time. So, yeah, if you're 10k+ and dream of going pro, by all means, care about your rank. But if you're losing sleep over being 3 or 4k, just play with some friends and enjoy yourself.
Totally agree with you. I, for example, only play ranked solo queu, because it offers the role mode and there for deals with a shit ton of position / role lighting during draft in pubs. I don't care for the medal or number. I just want the lanes to be "fixed". I wished, Valve would integrate a role mode for unranked as well, especially for beginners that would help a lot and improve game experience when not in a party.
no man, its not only people striving for pro. it is also folks who are tilting about large time spent in game not stacking with their performance, and dont forget about the stigma of the low ranks in most communities
The rank system doesnt define our skills but its the best 'measurement' we got that is closest to it. Also nothing wrong with losing sometimes. I think we can also put it that the win/losses doesnt mean anything as well but what we do during the games. We aren't pros.
The difference with comparing a basket ball team and it's individual player skill and a Dota pub is a basket ball team will always have the same players in it and if a good player can't shine with certain people then they never will. In random match making among your skill group you can still average put your wins and losses to get a general idea of how impactful you are in the game. Even if your team always sucks in your skill bracket the people that are a higher rank than you most likely had to deal with the same kinds of people so it takes a certain level of skill to rise above those odds and still win the game.
Great video. I would LOVE Valve to introduce some form of Guild War for guilds to rank up. That would ultimately mean that the individual skill would be in the background while the win of the team / guild would be more important. That way Dota as a game would move closer to sport teams where as you said the individual skill is less important than the team skill.
@@BliacTv you can't carry shit teammates not even with a carry unless your gameplay is divine level you can probably 1 v 9 an archon lobby then so ranks are still inaccurate
rank for me at least lines you up with better team mates (or worse) thus gives you a better gaming experience. at least in most or some cases. but not entirely.
i found a trick actually i was in a losing streak last week going from crusader 3 to guardian 5 and i really dont understand why dota hates me like this, i play normal whit friends that are legends to divine and we keep winning games. i found out basically that if i keep spamming my best position (mid) there could be someone else that wanted to play the same position but he is gone safe where he sucks. so now i select all the roles mid safe and off so i make them chose the role they feel best im now in a win streak of 15 and whit the recalibration now im archon 1 XD. if i go mid i win the lane and at least another lane is won becosue the guy who selected only off or safe can actually play his role.
Yea in some point i started focusing just in the number and forgot about what was the point to play a "game". There are so many things like u can't control how the rest of ur team gonna play or maybe some1 decide to throw, or grief. Its a 5v5 Game, u just cant control it, stop caring about it as well.
This is not true at all… best games are in the legend- ancient bracket where people somewhat know but are not really good. There’s less flame and grief as well in these ranks
@@Wdiaz_design say what? Ive never encountered as much toxicity and griefing like in legend games. It's where the Dunning Kruger effect is the strongest: people know a bit and think they're pros. Crusader and lower people are so bad they dont even know whats going on (tho sometimes will still tell you what you need to do). Divine and up becomes more chill. in fact, legend bracket is so bad, when I wanted to lose MMR to play with my guardian friends, I decided the best way to do so without getting banned was to queue SEA servers as pos4, dumpster the enemy carry until they abandoned, help my team win, then 10 mins before game end say "sorry guys, i need to go, RL calling" and leave. Team would win 4v4 and you get ez -25 with everyone commending you :D
I talked about it while ago as well. The rank is really hard to explain, because there are tons of variebles. If I play my best hero in my best role, when it is strong, I can imagine I am 1k MMR higher than my current MMR. Or maybe even higher. and if I chain 10 games with that hero and train lasthits and everything else, it Might be even more. If I play regular hero I play, I will be probably around my MMR. If I play hero I have 0 experience and that does not suit my playstyle, I might be 1k mmr lower. When I played years back more (before covid), I was 5k by spamming medusa and WR mid. But after a break I ended up calibrating to 1800MMR around year ago. Now 3.5k.
@@Docwell Yeah, it was the same account. It was around 2 years break with coming back once in the middle, so I callibrated first to around legend IIRC and then around year ago I ended up below 2k. Basically skipped 3 numbers patches and some more. But yeah, thats what happens, if you jump directly into ranked after not playing single game in a year. I was never really mechanically skilled (I would say I am bottom 10% of players in that regard), so it was all game knowledge, map movement, feeling for the game and abusing passive players (I win around 80% lanes based on dota plus reports).
TLDR if you don’t care about your rank don’t watch this video if you do the variables that got you their are different for everyone In my opinion I went from 2k mmr to 4k mmr by simply incorporating one new thing every week or so. For example denying ancient camps was one. Then I learned if your stomping off lane start denying the camps behind their tower. Once I got that down I Then I focused a lot on stacking. Once I got the times and feel for that I focused a lot on ward placement. Ect you see what happens. Doing one of these might give you a 1or 2% chance at winning but over time that starts to matter
Bruh literally u described me, I’m currently 3.1 k mmr and I play a ton of heroes and I mostly change the heroes depending on the patch note, for example I used to like a lot natures when he had the big tree ent and u were able to trap enemies inside his first ability even if they cut a tree down. Moreover, I’m mostly playing heroes that can use Khalsa effectively, like Omni knight and obviously mid only, cuz I don’t feel like dealing with Peruvians
I always loved playing ranked mostly because I don't care if I win or lose, I just want to play the game with people as close to my skill level as possible. Lets me really see how good my builds are and how well I can play them.
In my opinion ranks represents how much in-depth knowledge you have in the game. It actually doesn't matter that much if you are a one hero spammer or not. But spammer gets upper hand in various aspects of the gameplay. They have better knowledge on their hero, have better reaction time, better strategy and better game plan in difficult situations. It is solely because they are climbing up in the ranking system and playing against better enemy. Better players don't really want to depend on their teammates. Even in the ancient rank people don't have proper knowledge on how to put pressure on the map. Most of the people thinks about farming and wining hero matchup or teamfights but you can win the game by making opponents reacting on your movements and smart positioning. In my case I learnt putting extreme pressure on the map spamming Lycan. Now I can put almost the same amount of pressure on the map with my other offlane heros. Also spamming heroes helps you to build up your confidence. The higher a player climbs the rank the higher his gameplay knowledge gets even if he spams 1/2 heroes. Prime example of this would be Bulldog and ATF. If I am not wrong ATF was in legend rank at 2017/2019.
You’re right in the sense that the person who is spamming the hero understands the game much better in the context of how that specific hero reacts to all the mechanics and situations in the game. It also allows you to learn the game itself faster because you no longer worry as much about the hero specifics once you have those under control and you can focus on the deeper and more complex aspects of the game
I was playing this game for years and it kept me in herald. I was getting teamates who threw the game constantly. They didn't know win conditions of heroes they played or how long the game should last even if you are winning with certain heroes. At some points I had 80%+ lane win rate and like 20-30% game win rate. It was like my teamates refused to win even in games we had won. I am positive my account had some sort of shadow ban even though I had 10k behavior score. I will never play again in my life.
a video about ranking system which actually does not sound like a poor excuse of a tilted dota player, that's rare. making it coherent and logically connected - even more rare.
The problem is that there are no strong community features to foster a shared sense of dota, gameplay wise and culture wise. Pub dota right now turns into a carry or lose situation with people who can barely work together. Love and blessings!
Im an ancient 4,5 player that queues with frends that are archons, i usually play pos 1, and if enemy team has an archon 2 pos 1 its almost impossible to lose, i dont wanna say that they are worse at dota, all i wanna say is that understanding of the game is different, game is not balanced if i play pos 1 as an ancient, and enemy team has ancient pos 5 hard support, it just doesnt work, back in the day when i queued solo and i saw i was lowest rated guy in the team i know its my job to play support. IT IS WHAT IS, dont even try to argue that archon can be a better player than an ancient. 1 major thing i noticed between ancient pos 5, and an archon pos 5 is that archon pos 5 in late game show way too often in teamfights, i mean on the moments when pos 5 blinks in uses all spells, and continues to right clich heroes, thats a sing of low understanding of the game, mmr is not just a number. sad but true
Agreed, I also play with my archon friends as ancient and you can spot SO EASILY who are the lowest ranks in the game. How they know their lane matchups (being passive when they need to be aggressive and vice versa), map awareness, where to play in different situtations, it's just so obvious. I'm not even talking about mechanics of heroes, just overall knowledge of the game
For me i just play and think about games as the circle of life. Sometimes you are the predator. But remember, there's always a bigger fish out there. You will win, you will lose. Only then, you will know where you stand in the food chain.
I relate someone mmr to their competency in REAL LIFE. Which is accurate so far. Herald to archon = slow learner, unreliable & burden such as always borrow money & always useless to rely on help, can't even ask for cigarette, always don't have Legend = just average guy, extrovert, averagely reliable, u can ask for cigarette they might have it sometime Ancient/divine = fast learner, good worker, introvert, reliable, always has cigarette Immortal = neat jobless stay at home, i mean more like never had real job like most people out there
8:50. 4k or 6k 1 hero picker is stronger than 3k player who plays variety of heroes. I don't think it is controversial topic. 3k player can be stronger than 4k for different reasons but being jack of all trades means very little.
I'd argue that youve gott be both the 3k mmr jack of all trades and the 6k mmr specialized player in order to reach said rank to begin with Cause in a solo rank environment, it really just cane down to how well u adapted to any given 4 strangers at any given time, and in order to rise through that kind of environment you've really gotta step up and be good at any given role and prioritize the one you are really good at And if anything, the rank you have symbolizes how well you can adapt Imma 6k pos5 player, but i mainly play core in turbo these days
I have extreme difficulties in climbing as a support. Wow look we already took t3 mid and mega bot already by 20 min, we have 10k gold lead lets end. Naaah my carry wants to farm and the game ended with us losing at 50 min.
Dude, I've been playing dota2 since 2013 and im around 6k mmr from like 2015. Let me tell you, mmr DOES MATTER AND DEFINE PRETTY WELL YOUR SKILL LEVEL, there's no such thing as being stuck in the same 2/3/4/5/6/7/8k bracket if you're playing well, most of those players who think they deserve better and lose 5/10 games, SUCK HARD. It's not the same at the pro level, but you actually need to be a VERY HIGH mmr player to play core on T1 teams. Aside from that if you really want to improve stop thinking about winning or lossing a game and focus on your gameplay and role, ask yourself at the end of the game did i play well? could i have done more? And the answer is always going to be YES.
Well, imagine u have 6 k player and 4 k player. Doesn't matter what 6ks gonna pick they gonna win, they play faster, group up faster, know how to counter enemy team, when to smoke, how to play lost matchup etc. 6.3k mmr here
Твой ранг = твой скилл. Скилл побеждать. Если ты не побеждаешь и у тебя низкий ранг, значит ты не понимаешь игру, ты нуб. Как только ты поймешь, действительно поймешь игру, узнаешь мету, доведешь базовые действия до автоматизма, ты будешь поднимать ранг, даже на саппорте. Естественно до разумных пределов. Но титаном точно можно на саппорте стать
More than 1k is a far enough gap for sure. Another great comparison for specific heroes would be invoker. A 6k player who doesn't play invoker may be absolute trash on the hero. It's always hard to really know how much is the hero versus how much is general game skill, the exact mmr difference can never really be pinpointed.
This might be a good idea where if the game goes 45 min and you’re literally 1v9 but still lose maybe the AI can see that so you only lose like 10mmr instead of 25 or something. But even then it might get a little weird and hard to make accurate.
If you're new to DOTA, don't derive any meaning from your rank. I wouldn't even bother with the game, its that bad. The game is full of smurfs and scripters. All the well known streamers such as BSJ party with other smurfs to get their MMR up. Whole thing is disgusting.
As a jack of all trades, i sacrificed my mmr and after that i gained it through spamming only 2 heroes in 1 role or the other into immortal.. Know your role first and know hero complexity and itemization to positioning n timings.... Nice video thou
This guy just lost 10 games in a row and decided to make this video to feel better)
Truuuuue
That’s the best TL;DR I’ve ever read
10 games with double down
Nah man... he WON 10 games in a row and made this video for his sad opponents. You were one I guess and it didnt work?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In my mind the winning or losing screen only takes up 1 percent of the whole game so the rest is a win nonetheless. Enjoy your games guys, one day you will play your last one.
Despair
But yeah you're right, the number in some ways taints the experience.
Immortal pos3 player here. These words of wisdom are true. Only when I embraced my Divine II plateau, stopped caring about mmr, started watching replays to learn macro aspects of the game, i started gaining mmr and eventually reached immortal :)
You're completely right and I found the same thing to be true. The more I focused on and cared about the number the worse I did overall and the more I just focused on playing the game and doing well the better my performance and the less likely I would get tilted too.
I am a 2k rank solo queue support. . When I play in a 6k lobby with 6k friends im a 6k support player. I actually get picked on that my rank symbol is so low and called a reverse smurf.
@@michaelfaust904 reverse smurf XD
True, but on the other hand, caring, like, actually caring about your rank is one way to improve too. I hated being a 1.9k scrub, I did not enjoy my time there, and I wanted to improve. It did not yet come to watching replays, but I did watch guides, and started practicing lasthitting before each session, while also selecting a few heroes to stick to. And I am 3.8 at the moment. Thing is, if you just like seeing numbers go up and cry about people preventing you from seeing them grow, this is not actually caring. Caring about your rank means actively doing something to improve at the game
As a pure support player im truly offended that's its 2024 and disable time or quantity are still not recorded stats.
If it was, people would just pick shaman and shackle other people off cool down like it was a drunk uncle at a family reunion
@@maikoymokspg163 healing is a recorded stat but you dont see mek being used off cd
It would be cool if they added a stat for that.
@@jadetaylor6093 hmm true. I guess it could be cool to have disability timers in the game as long as it ain't like a metric for hidden MMR LMAOOO
Or buffs placed, aura's provided etc
Well the last few minutes very true , when i stoped caring about mmr and started focusing on the strategy in game and mechanics
I went from 5k to 7k in 2 month's
When i decided to double down to gain mmr i lose 80% of the time
But when i missclick it winrate 90%
I stopped caring win loss and just gained 1000 in 3 weeks, even we were getting stomped by 5-30 I was focusing to atleast win single fight nothing else mattered. My team can lose but I should not lose my sh*t, this mentality helped me to go 2.3k to 3.4k for now. I guess my constant resist against enemy brings my toxic teammates together mentally stable. Also just play non-ranked when you wanna chill!
Good advice. Personally the less I think about rank and the more I think about learning, the more I enjoy the game. I’m still new to the game though.
That really is the way to go.
every patch I just try to find 2-3 heroes that cause grief and stress to other players (including my teammates).
Going from Crusader bracket to Legend was just a bloodfest. Well, not really to blame most of it on teammates but usually because of drafting. I had so many games where we had a shitload of damage but zero catching or tanky heroes, so when the enemy team who do have those things, it always ends up the enemy team winning fights in a comeback scenario. It's more of figuring out which perfect heroes needed to play that would suit the team better than playing something that is more comfortable with your play style. And going through that, it helped a lot with me winning games until reaching the Archon bracket. Albeit I suffered a lot of MMR loss because of trying multiple heroes. But having a lot of practice and knowing which heroes hit their spike faster or has a stronger scaling, it's these things that end up determining whether you win a game from the 1k to 3k brackets.
The trick is... to play turbo
no mind, no thinking, just late game hero smack each other face xd
Haha, yeah if you want to just mess around turbo is fun. But I will even see people giga try harding in turbo.
tokens bro
you could just play league for that
@@limede Ye I've been playing turbo for tokens xD
Ive played 12 ranked games and 2000+ turbo matches
The ranks i played i calibrated at archon, surprisingly
I actually like the concept of a role based rank instead of a general rank. It doesn't necessarily work in most games but it would work very well in dota
I think there is one perspective i can offer, i also went a phase of caring about rank and trying hard, but that didnt help me increase , but when i was chilling and playing with a chill mind, i was ranking up so fast, my reasoning in this is, when we are stressing about it, we perform worse, but all the things we learn during those times stay with us, so after trying hard to rank up and failing, we still learnt alot. So now that we are playing chill those things we learn, we still apply but with a calm mind, which makes u more consistently better
Coming from a friend of mine that is a semi pro Dota player he says that switching up roles might be a bit of a challenge but if you are good at your role you can very quickly get good at another role if you have a great understanding of the game. So the tinker spammee might be shit at any other hero but he/she will quickly get good at other heroes just by natering the unfamiliar mechanics. To me that's a measure of skill in the game. It's the same things as a highly skilled player having a bad day, the potential to do very well is still there it just depends on the day. I think the ranking system looks busted at first glance and very analytically it may seem unfair but all the chaotic challenges of the games you face were faced by all of the people above your rank(excluding the boosted and account buyers) at the end of the day you can blame the griefer in your last game but what made you lose the 8 games before that. I'd say the only outliers in the ranked game play would be party queues. They can always get carried and do minimal to get a high rank but who are they and what are they worth in solo match making. And if they go nowhere then that's all you need to know. At the end of the day your skill at the game is knowing it well enough to manipulate it to your will to win. If you have a griefer or a noob, how much do you know about the game to improve your chances of overcoming that. And if you can get your chances to over 50% you'll eventually get out of that dreadful bracket to face the new challenges of the griefers of the new bracket. And so the ranked grind continues. I tried to explain to my friend that his 30 kills on a carry was not as impressive because of the fact that they still lost the game because it means he had the power to end the game being so far ahead but he chose not to. And sure his team let him down by not carrying their weight but he had the win but didn't know how to capitalize on it while a better player would have.
what personally shocks me is the big MMR Inflation since the Glicko System got introduced. Like everyone is Immortal now, and the Game Quality of Immortal games is absolutely horrendous. 8k Matches feel like pre Glicko 6.5k Matches at best, 7k Games sometimes feel like 5k Games and the lower you go the worse it gets. 5-6k Immortal is absolutely insane, how awful the Game Quality is. I can't even imagine how it is like playing in the Ranks that are not even Immortal. What Valve definitely should do is to Implement some more Ranks, or shift the Ranks up in MMR. Because the way it is right now, Immortal is just completely busted.
I have no clue how it is though for ranks like Divine and below.
About the Video though, the thing that I can recommend people is, to not care about their Rank. I have been in the past low digit number Immortal before, and you always ask yourself at some point, well what do you actually have from this. Like there will be people here and there saying OMG you so good and good job or whatever, or annoy you with things like "can you teach me"... if you want to get a high rank do it ONLY for yourself, and not to get gratification from others. But my very very best advice I can give you is, play the Game for fun... honestly, just have fun playing with your friends and have a nice laugh together doing hilarious things. I would literally do anything nowadays to be a 2k player or so and just being able to queue with friends for fun and have a nice enjoyable time. You can't smurf anymore or get a lower ranked Acc with the changes Dota did, and even playing unranked is absolutely unfair, when your friends are 1k and you are 8k. Because they will play against other much higher ranked players, and that destroys their fun.
Think about where your priorities are, if you want to grind that game seriously, or do you enjoy to play the Game with friends and just have a nice time.
Good video. I'd add an important reality check to it all. The only people for whom rank/MMR matters are the people that genuinely believe they have a shot at going pro. If you're at that level, sure, your rank does matter because scouting for the best players is a reality. But for literally everyone else, the other 99.9% of the population, the only thing that truly matters is that you enjoy the games of dota you play. And I don't even think solo queue is the best avenue to maximize that enjoyment, playing with friend stacks, even unranked leads to way more fulfilling games most of the time.
So, yeah, if you're 10k+ and dream of going pro, by all means, care about your rank. But if you're losing sleep over being 3 or 4k, just play with some friends and enjoy yourself.
Totally agree with you. I, for example, only play ranked solo queu, because it offers the role mode and there for deals with a shit ton of position / role lighting during draft in pubs.
I don't care for the medal or number. I just want the lanes to be "fixed". I wished, Valve would integrate a role mode for unranked as well, especially for beginners that would help a lot and improve game experience when not in a party.
no man, its not only people striving for pro. it is also folks who are tilting about large time spent in game not stacking with their performance, and dont forget about the stigma of the low ranks in most communities
The rank system doesnt define our skills but its the best 'measurement' we got that is closest to it. Also nothing wrong with losing sometimes. I think we can also put it that the win/losses doesnt mean anything as well but what we do during the games. We aren't pros.
I came for a mathematics video and you baited me into a philosophical one. Well done.
The difference with comparing a basket ball team and it's individual player skill and a Dota pub is a basket ball team will always have the same players in it and if a good player can't shine with certain people then they never will. In random match making among your skill group you can still average put your wins and losses to get a general idea of how impactful you are in the game. Even if your team always sucks in your skill bracket the people that are a higher rank than you most likely had to deal with the same kinds of people so it takes a certain level of skill to rise above those odds and still win the game.
Thank you for your insight. Great video!
Thanks, glad you liked it.
Great video. I would LOVE Valve to introduce some form of Guild War for guilds to rank up. That would ultimately mean that the individual skill would be in the background while the win of the team / guild would be more important. That way Dota as a game would move closer to sport teams where as you said the individual skill is less important than the team skill.
Rank is just a representation of your luck finding good teamates
Definitely feels that way a lot
actually no, i have to carry almost every game that i win, even with a support hero
@@BliacTv you can't carry shit teammates not even with a carry unless your gameplay is divine level you can probably 1 v 9 an archon lobby then so ranks are still inaccurate
@@Mr.chamoux yes, im divine and still winning with ease, 17 wins in the last 18 ganes
cope
rank for me at least lines you up with better team mates (or worse) thus gives you a better gaming experience. at least in most or some cases. but not entirely.
i found a trick actually i was in a losing streak last week going from crusader 3 to guardian 5 and i really dont understand why dota hates me like this, i play normal whit friends that are legends to divine and we keep winning games. i found out basically that if i keep spamming my best position (mid) there could be someone else that wanted to play the same position but he is gone safe where he sucks. so now i select all the roles mid safe and off so i make them chose the role they feel best im now in a win streak of 15 and whit the recalibration now im archon 1 XD. if i go mid i win the lane and at least another lane is won becosue the guy who selected only off or safe can actually play his role.
Great job, good luck climbing.
I find that what you are saying Is also very true for me, i m divine 3 atm
Best clip is Purge giving us the weather report for the Intl. Wait, was it actually sunny in Seattle?!?!?
Yea in some point i started focusing just in the number and forgot about what was the point to play a "game".
There are so many things like u can't control how the rest of ur team gonna play or maybe some1 decide to throw, or grief.
Its a 5v5 Game, u just cant control it, stop caring about it as well.
THE THING IS THAT HIGHER RANKS GAMES ARE MUCH FUN LOW RANK ITS JUST CHAOS
This is not true at all… best games are in the legend- ancient bracket where people somewhat know but are not really good. There’s less flame and grief as well in these ranks
@@Wdiaz_design say what? Ive never encountered as much toxicity and griefing like in legend games. It's where the Dunning Kruger effect is the strongest: people know a bit and think they're pros. Crusader and lower people are so bad they dont even know whats going on (tho sometimes will still tell you what you need to do). Divine and up becomes more chill.
in fact, legend bracket is so bad, when I wanted to lose MMR to play with my guardian friends, I decided the best way to do so without getting banned was to queue SEA servers as pos4, dumpster the enemy carry until they abandoned, help my team win, then 10 mins before game end say "sorry guys, i need to go, RL calling" and leave. Team would win 4v4 and you get ez -25 with everyone commending you :D
@@thomasmann4536 Not in my experience but maybe I’m getting “lucky” by the system 😂
Another great video doc thanks!
@@thomasmann4536 not my experience either
I talked about it while ago as well. The rank is really hard to explain, because there are tons of variebles.
If I play my best hero in my best role, when it is strong, I can imagine I am 1k MMR higher than my current MMR. Or maybe even higher. and if I chain 10 games with that hero and train lasthits and everything else, it Might be even more.
If I play regular hero I play, I will be probably around my MMR.
If I play hero I have 0 experience and that does not suit my playstyle, I might be 1k mmr lower.
When I played years back more (before covid), I was 5k by spamming medusa and WR mid. But after a break I ended up calibrating to 1800MMR around year ago. Now 3.5k.
Crazy that you had that much of a difference in rank. Guess it could make sense if you took off a long time. Was it the same account?
@@Docwell Yeah, it was the same account. It was around 2 years break with coming back once in the middle, so I callibrated first to around legend IIRC and then around year ago I ended up below 2k. Basically skipped 3 numbers patches and some more.
But yeah, thats what happens, if you jump directly into ranked after not playing single game in a year. I was never really mechanically skilled (I would say I am bottom 10% of players in that regard), so it was all game knowledge, map movement, feeling for the game and abusing passive players (I win around 80% lanes based on dota plus reports).
yesterday bro called me, he said he lost 6 games in a row. so i joined him to carry my friend. now i lost 4 games in a row, my friend lost 10 lol
TLDR if you don’t care about your rank don’t watch this video if you do the variables that got you their are different for everyone
In my opinion I went from 2k mmr to 4k mmr by simply incorporating one new thing every week or so. For example denying ancient camps was one. Then I learned if your stomping off lane start denying the camps behind their tower. Once I got that down I Then I focused a lot on stacking. Once I got the times and feel for that I focused a lot on ward placement. Ect you see what happens. Doing one of these might give you a 1or 2% chance at winning but over time that starts to matter
Bruh literally u described me, I’m currently 3.1 k mmr and I play a ton of heroes and I mostly change the heroes depending on the patch note, for example I used to like a lot natures when he had the big tree ent and u were able to trap enemies inside his first ability even if they cut a tree down. Moreover, I’m mostly playing heroes that can use Khalsa effectively, like Omni knight and obviously mid only, cuz I don’t feel like dealing with Peruvians
Came for dota, ended up with life advices. 10/10 experience
Thanks, glad you appreciated it.
I always loved playing ranked mostly because I don't care if I win or lose, I just want to play the game with people as close to my skill level as possible. Lets me really see how good my builds are and how well I can play them.
In my opinion ranks represents how much in-depth knowledge you have in the game. It actually doesn't matter that much if you are a one hero spammer or not. But spammer gets upper hand in various aspects of the gameplay. They have better knowledge on their hero, have better reaction time, better strategy and better game plan in difficult situations. It is solely because they are climbing up in the ranking system and playing against better enemy. Better players don't really want to depend on their teammates. Even in the ancient rank people don't have proper knowledge on how to put pressure on the map. Most of the people thinks about farming and wining hero matchup or teamfights but you can win the game by making opponents reacting on your movements and smart positioning. In my case I learnt putting extreme pressure on the map spamming Lycan. Now I can put almost the same amount of pressure on the map with my other offlane heros. Also spamming heroes helps you to build up your confidence. The higher a player climbs the rank the higher his gameplay knowledge gets even if he spams 1/2 heroes. Prime example of this would be Bulldog and ATF. If I am not wrong ATF was in legend rank at 2017/2019.
You’re right in the sense that the person who is spamming the hero understands the game much better in the context of how that specific hero reacts to all the mechanics and situations in the game.
It also allows you to learn the game itself faster because you no longer worry as much about the hero specifics once you have those under control and you can focus on the deeper and more complex aspects of the game
I was playing this game for years and it kept me in herald. I was getting teamates who threw the game constantly. They didn't know win conditions of heroes they played or how long the game should last even if you are winning with certain heroes. At some points I had 80%+ lane win rate and like 20-30% game win rate. It was like my teamates refused to win even in games we had won. I am positive my account had some sort of shadow ban even though I had 10k behavior score. I will never play again in my life.
a video about ranking system which actually does not sound like a poor excuse of a tilted dota player, that's rare. making it coherent and logically connected - even more rare.
10:21 so you saying there is a chance ...
Just maybe
The problem is that there are no strong community features to foster a shared sense of dota, gameplay wise and culture wise.
Pub dota right now turns into a carry or lose situation with people who can barely work together.
Love and blessings!
Im an ancient 4,5 player that queues with frends that are archons, i usually play pos 1, and if enemy team has an archon 2 pos 1 its almost impossible to lose, i dont wanna say that they are worse at dota, all i wanna say is that understanding of the game is different, game is not balanced if i play pos 1 as an ancient, and enemy team has ancient pos 5 hard support, it just doesnt work, back in the day when i queued solo and i saw i was lowest rated guy in the team i know its my job to play support. IT IS WHAT IS, dont even try to argue that archon can be a better player than an ancient. 1 major thing i noticed between ancient pos 5, and an archon pos 5 is that archon pos 5 in late game show way too often in teamfights, i mean on the moments when pos 5 blinks in uses all spells, and continues to right clich heroes, thats a sing of low understanding of the game, mmr is not just a number. sad but true
Agreed, I also play with my archon friends as ancient and you can spot SO EASILY who are the lowest ranks in the game. How they know their lane matchups (being passive when they need to be aggressive and vice versa), map awareness, where to play in different situtations, it's just so obvious. I'm not even talking about mechanics of heroes, just overall knowledge of the game
For me i just play and think about games as the circle of life. Sometimes you are the predator. But remember, there's always a bigger fish out there. You will win, you will lose. Only then, you will know where you stand in the food chain.
MMR is just a number - Dendi
Great video! You should have more views.
Thanks a lot, hopefully the channel keeps on growing :)
I relate someone mmr to their competency in REAL LIFE. Which is accurate so far.
Herald to archon = slow learner, unreliable & burden such as always borrow money & always useless to rely on help, can't even ask for cigarette, always don't have
Legend = just average guy, extrovert, averagely reliable, u can ask for cigarette they might have it sometime
Ancient/divine = fast learner, good worker, introvert, reliable, always has cigarette
Immortal = neat jobless stay at home, i mean more like never had real job like most people out there
I stopped playing with my friends because my ranking gone down so bad from Crusader 4 to Crusader 1. Start playing solo on ranked.
8:50. 4k or 6k 1 hero picker is stronger than 3k player who plays variety of heroes. I don't think it is controversial topic. 3k player can be stronger than 4k for different reasons but being jack of all trades means very little.
I'd argue that youve gott be both the 3k mmr jack of all trades and the 6k mmr specialized player in order to reach said rank to begin with
Cause in a solo rank environment, it really just cane down to how well u adapted to any given 4 strangers at any given time, and in order to rise through that kind of environment you've really gotta step up and be good at any given role and prioritize the one you are really good at
And if anything, the rank you have symbolizes how well you can adapt
Imma 6k pos5 player, but i mainly play core in turbo these days
I want to win my rank games not because I gain MMR but because I can re-roll for a chance to get arcanas
I have extreme difficulties in climbing as a support. Wow look we already took t3 mid and mega bot already by 20 min, we have 10k gold lead lets end. Naaah my carry wants to farm and the game ended with us losing at 50 min.
Dude, I've been playing dota2 since 2013 and im around 6k mmr from like 2015. Let me tell you, mmr DOES MATTER AND DEFINE PRETTY WELL YOUR SKILL LEVEL, there's no such thing as being stuck in the same 2/3/4/5/6/7/8k bracket if you're playing well, most of those players who think they deserve better and lose 5/10 games, SUCK HARD. It's not the same at the pro level, but you actually need to be a VERY HIGH mmr player to play core on T1 teams. Aside from that if you really want to improve stop thinking about winning or lossing a game and focus on your gameplay and role, ask yourself at the end of the game did i play well? could i have done more? And the answer is always going to be YES.
i dont . but i need my cores to be better than my enemy cores, because no matter how good we do early game as supports, if we lose i'll feel bad.
Well, imagine u have 6 k player and 4 k player. Doesn't matter what 6ks gonna pick they gonna win, they play faster, group up faster, know how to counter enemy team, when to smoke, how to play lost matchup etc. 6.3k mmr here
Yes, that's 2k mmr for each player where is a 10k mmr difference. No one is arguing against the point you're making.
wow thanks
I don't think the saturation is high enough in the thumbnail
I'll turn it up to 100 next time instead of 99
Твой ранг = твой скилл. Скилл побеждать. Если ты не побеждаешь и у тебя низкий ранг, значит ты не понимаешь игру, ты нуб. Как только ты поймешь, действительно поймешь игру, узнаешь мету, доведешь базовые действия до автоматизма, ты будешь поднимать ранг, даже на саппорте. Естественно до разумных пределов. Но титаном точно можно на саппорте стать
he is right but I'm pretty sure as 6k player (5 hero pool) I could easily get 80% win rate in
More than 1k is a far enough gap for sure. Another great comparison for specific heroes would be invoker. A 6k player who doesn't play invoker may be absolute trash on the hero.
It's always hard to really know how much is the hero versus how much is general game skill, the exact mmr difference can never really be pinpointed.
A superior system would have an AI model, that is extremely good at the game, analyse a players performance.
This might be a good idea where if the game goes 45 min and you’re literally 1v9 but still lose maybe the AI can see that so you only lose like 10mmr instead of 25 or something. But even then it might get a little weird and hard to make accurate.
3:38 lols.. javascript as algorithm.. ^_^
higher rank = you are better more frequently
Nice
I want to come out on top of tough matches. StarCraft 2 is my main game Dota’s cool though.
The best thing about a 1v1 game is you don't have to rely on teammates lol.
Ikr! That’s why dota is what I play to relax
@@warrenloving1141 To me, relaxing and Dota are the exact opposite lol
you are making too good videos to just find 10% of the non russian players who can actually watch this video
i might be dont really care about rank
but i really damn care about W-L :)))
When i met a streak of 10 lose, i just want some green haha
8:37 Idk this sounds like something a 3k mmr player would say.
I am single handedly supplying the world with copium.
7:35 bruuuuuh the music
How did Grubby did it?
Good video. 1000% agreee. I think a see the same.
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If you're new to DOTA, don't derive any meaning from your rank. I wouldn't even bother with the game, its that bad. The game is full of smurfs and scripters. All the well known streamers such as BSJ party with other smurfs to get their MMR up. Whole thing is disgusting.
losing sanity cause dota 2, can make u better philosopher.
Haha true
As a jack of all trades, i sacrificed my mmr and after that i gained it through spamming only 2 heroes in 1 role or the other into immortal..
Know your role first and know hero complexity and itemization to positioning n timings....
Nice video thou
skill issue
stop caring cuz they made dota 2 league of legends now, every game u gonna have support pick going mid, tank playing roam and so on
Goes from what your rank means to meaningful life advice. 🥲