Beta 52 and D6. I have never like a 112. They always seem to have too much ugly mid range that you need to dig out. But by putting the mics directly in the port , your not getting the full potential of the mics. A LOT of air is being blasted into the mics. Try the mics half way inside the kick over to the side of the shell (not touching it) with the mic pointing at the beater(s). You'll get much better sound. Good video though.
Bad positioning, as you can hear all the mics pick up the moving air in the hole and sound nowhere like they do normally. Either insinde or outside the hole in the resonant head, otherwhise you will get wierd airflow noises/ interferences. Nicely edited video tho!
No he is absolutely right! Basic mic placement/sound theory there.. However, many opinions suggest that some 'heavy moving' capsules can handle that pressure almost creatively (D112 for example)..
a few years late - but I believe you're hearing the kick drum resonate. Normally a gate would cut some of that off in a full mix but in this example there is no gate on the kick.
Thank you, Benjamin! IMO the Audix D6 with compression (or even without) is miles closer to where a kick is going to end up in your "middle-of-the-road rock/pop/inde/whatever is not jazz/orchestral" type mix. It's far from flat, but for live usage it's right where you want it out-of -the box & has very good rejection. The SM7B had a nice, lighter airy feel with compression, raw was a bit nasty, but I like what was perceived on the front (reso) head. Just my 2 cents. Again, kudos for your work,
The d6 sounded great in all vids sow far. The others sounded great in some and purely bad in others (d112 is awful with your kick but was great with others)
Not a pro, but I would think the D6. Yes it's all hyped and scooped, but isn't that what you want from a kick mic? Wouldn't the overheads and room mics provide any mids and body, and you'd just bring in a bit of this for bottom end and a bit of click?
Why is everyone saying bad placement? Bullshit. The kick hole is just as standard. This is what these kids sound like. Close your eyes and just listen to ‘em.
For heavy metal or hard rock, go for the Audix D6 placed inside the kick pointed at the attack area of the beater about 6-8 inches from the skin (adjust to taste), and don’t use felt beaters. Plastic or rubber is best (I prefer rubber as it has a bit beefier bottom end, and Increasing the 10k range with a band EQ will give you that top end you’d get from a plastic beater).
@@bybenstudio rubber are my favourite for rock/metal because you get a good blend of top end without much eq involved. It depends on the drummer though. In my experience, plastic or wood works better with drummers who hit like a bitch. Rubber works fantastic with a drummer who hits with power and consistency. It’s all about finesse. Experiment and see what works for you. A trick Chris Adler did when recording the as the palaces burn record for lamb of god is he taped quarters to his kick drum skin where the beaters hit and on the beaters themselves. He had felt beaters but he wanted the biggest top end possible. Hence why you can hear the clickiness of the kick like mad on that record.
To me that e902 was really tight without a lot of the boxiness of the D112 or the low muffle of all the others. I’ve got a DW Custom Lacquer 22x18 and like it punchy but something that breathes when you go lighter. I’m really liking Sennheiser. I’ve got a vocal mic my guitar player loves for his rig. I was considering going all Audix again but I like this mic. Decisions, decisions
I had the full Audix set years ago and sound engineers in live settings loved them! For recording I’m going to be spending some real money.... I’m going to get the full set of Earthworks. They are sick! Check them out if you haven’t. $3000 for the set! Ouch, but amazing individual isolation and sound, and they are tiny and look awesome.
e902 sounded best for modern metal audix d6 for everything else... (at least from this video) usually i really like the akg d112 but it sounds thin here for some reason
The akg has it's own flavor. People will process the audio differently depending on what the situation calls for. The akg was the loudest mic out of the batch.
I don't see the need to add the EQ'd and Compressed examples in the video. If the concept of the video is to hear what each microphone is doing to the sound, adding an element of subjectivity and personal taste into it takes away from the idea of hearing what each microphone truly sounds like on the kick drum.
Naw bad mic placement. That mic should be completely inside the kick port. Also I never record kick with out a subkick on it as well. Phase align them and feed in the low sub harmonic support against your kick track and it gives you that extra low end in a recording environment. I own all these microphone and D6 and the whole elite 8 kit is always my first choice.
Though they are pretty close, the D6 does sound better than the 902. The Beta sounds like low quality, muddy garbage (a common theme with lower end Shure mics)
Both the e602 and e902 share very similar dBv charts. All these mics could sound better with a heavy hand via EQ and Comp. I went with the more natural sounds on this one
Great video!! Definitely the D6 and e902
Beta 52 and D6. I have never like a 112. They always seem to have too much ugly mid range that you need to dig out. But by putting the mics directly in the port , your not getting the full potential of the mics. A LOT of air is being blasted into the mics. Try the mics half way inside the kick over to the side of the shell (not touching it) with the mic pointing at the beater(s). You'll get much better sound. Good video though.
Sennheiser all the way
Bad positioning, as you can hear all the mics pick up the moving air in the hole and sound nowhere like they do normally. Either insinde or outside the hole in the resonant head, otherwhise you will get wierd airflow noises/ interferences. Nicely edited video tho!
No he is absolutely right! Basic mic placement/sound theory there..
However, many opinions suggest that some 'heavy moving' capsules can handle that pressure almost creatively (D112 for example)..
a few years late - but I believe you're hearing the kick drum resonate. Normally a gate would cut some of that off in a full mix but in this example there is no gate on the kick.
I like the e902 the best it got the bite with the weight very helpful. Thanks
e902 sounded best to me by far. Sounded tight and punchy.
Great video man. Short and to the point. Nice production quality too for 109 subs. You'll be on your way to monetizing in no time!
Thank you, Benjamin! IMO the Audix D6 with compression (or even without) is miles closer to where a kick is going to end up in your "middle-of-the-road rock/pop/inde/whatever is not jazz/orchestral" type mix. It's far from flat, but for live usage it's right where you want it out-of -the box & has very good rejection. The SM7B had a nice, lighter airy feel with compression, raw was a bit nasty, but I like what was perceived on the front (reso) head. Just my 2 cents. Again, kudos for your work,
The d6 sounded great in all vids sow far. The others sounded great in some and purely bad in others (d112 is awful with your kick but was great with others)
The d112 and sm7b just sounded downright offensive to my ear unprocessed
Same especially the d112 that shit sounded bad
@@nickcrane8329 Now two years later, i think that the d112 is distorted like it was clipping
the D112 very pleasantly surprided me!
Not a pro, but I would think the D6. Yes it's all hyped and scooped, but isn't that what you want from a kick mic? Wouldn't the overheads and room mics provide any mids and body, and you'd just bring in a bit of this for bottom end and a bit of click?
E902 make task easy
The D112 was the only mic that sounded like it was recording an acoustic bass drum. Thanks for the video 👍
Why is everyone saying bad placement? Bullshit. The kick hole is just as standard. This is what these kids sound like. Close your eyes and just listen to ‘em.
I'm betting if I put a gate on kick others would think it sounds "better". Or at least "less airy"
@@bybenstudio word. This just sounds like a natural kick mic'd in a very standard position.
For heavy metal or hard rock, go for the Audix D6 placed inside the kick pointed at the attack area of the beater about 6-8 inches from the skin (adjust to taste), and don’t use felt beaters. Plastic or rubber is best (I prefer rubber as it has a bit beefier bottom end, and Increasing the 10k range with a band EQ will give you that top end you’d get from a plastic beater).
Would you pick Rubber or Wood beaters? I don't really like that extra smack from the plastic... Rubber beaters are underrated.
@@bybenstudio rubber are my favourite for rock/metal because you get a good blend of top end without much eq involved. It depends on the drummer though. In my experience, plastic or wood works better with drummers who hit like a bitch. Rubber works fantastic with a drummer who hits with power and consistency. It’s all about finesse. Experiment and see what works for you.
A trick Chris Adler did when recording the as the palaces burn record for lamb of god is he taped quarters to his kick drum skin where the beaters hit and on the beaters themselves. He had felt beaters but he wanted the biggest top end possible. Hence why you can hear the clickiness of the kick like mad on that record.
Very Helpful, especially the raw then EQCompressed
Very helpful, debating between Beta 52 and the 902.
To me that e902 was really tight without a lot of the boxiness of the D112 or the low muffle of all the others. I’ve got a DW Custom Lacquer 22x18 and like it punchy but something that breathes when you go lighter. I’m really liking Sennheiser. I’ve got a vocal mic my guitar player loves for his rig. I was considering going all Audix again but I like this mic. Decisions, decisions
the e902 and D6 have a hyped up, pre processed, sound going on. I find that appealing. What is your main use, live or recording?
I had the full Audix set years ago and sound engineers in live settings loved them! For recording I’m going to be spending some real money.... I’m going to get the full set of Earthworks. They are sick! Check them out if you haven’t. $3000 for the set! Ouch, but amazing individual isolation and sound, and they are tiny and look awesome.
@@Avedis-G Earthworks are awesome!
Shure 52 and e902
Sennheiser e 902
I like the D6
1:35 d6
Audix D6 & E902 for me
902 is the clear winner
Yep 902
d 6 forever
D6
E902 incredible, even without EQ
My vote is for the e902 for live and the D6 for studio. The D112 was the worst.
El Beta 52 y el d6 para mi los mejores del mercado y falta el sennheiser e 602 que es mi favorito
e902 sounded best for modern metal
audix d6 for everything else... (at least from this video)
usually i really like the akg d112 but it sounds thin here for some reason
The akg has it's own flavor. People will process the audio differently depending on what the situation calls for. The akg was the loudest mic out of the batch.
I don't see the need to add the EQ'd and Compressed examples in the video. If the concept of the video is to hear what each microphone is doing to the sound, adding an element of subjectivity and personal taste into it takes away from the idea of hearing what each microphone truly sounds like on the kick drum.
...which is why there was a raw sound test for every mic?
@@hannes1734 So true but no need to even have the EQ'd/Compressed sections in the video. It wastes time and makes the video longer for no reason, IMO.
Sennheiser ALL DAY
the unprocessed sm7b sounds really lofi in a good way
e902
Beta 52A all day
d6
Audix D6 🔥🎙️🔥
Agree
D6 😍
Beta 52 all the way
How bad is that D112 🤮🤮🤮
It just clips - thats all!
its weird cos usually they sound great but yes
mic placement is bad :/ not the mic
It's distorting madly.. as were some of the other clips. There is no value in this comparison
Hey man do you find the d6 too clicky?
For live, no. In a studio or controlled environment it might be a little much if you're not going for a metal tone.
Naw bad mic placement. That mic should be completely inside the kick port. Also I never record kick with out a subkick on it as well. Phase align them and feed in the low sub harmonic support against your kick track and it gives you that extra low end in a recording environment. I own all these microphone and D6 and the whole elite 8 kit is always my first choice.
1:16 beta
Though they are pretty close, the D6 does sound better than the 902. The Beta sounds like low quality, muddy garbage (a common theme with lower end Shure mics)
Should have included the E602. Sounds better than all those.
Both the e602 and e902 share very similar dBv charts. All these mics could sound better with a heavy hand via EQ and Comp. I went with the more natural sounds on this one
2:03 sen
D112 sounded like poo
unless you like that "metal" sound ha
terrible mic placement... engineer fail
dat audix doh...
D112 sounds awful.