Just drove a GTS/4 Targa 6500 kms in 12 days all over Europe. 8 mountain passes 2500 kms on the Autobahn & 7 countries. Had a MB AMG GT 63 2 weeks ago on some of the same roads 2200 kms in 36 hours. The GT 63 was fast but the 911 was just so much more fun to drive.
Boxster 981S. Flat 6. Midnight Blue with full Luxor beige interior. Great handling, great sound, great look from every angle. Love it fully open, incredibly quiet with windows up if trying to have a conversation or listen to music (I prefer to listen to the flat 6 - glorious!).
Let me talk about mountains and tunnels. Cabriolet in the mountains is an unparalleled experience. The views are mindblowing. You see so much more with the top down. Your passenger will love it too. But the best part? The way the exhaust echoes of the mountian walls back into the cabin. It sounds like an F1 race. Tunnels too! But just driving past streams, waterfalls, overlooks - oh and sunsets with the top down!! At night you can look up see the milky way. If it starts to sprinkle drop to 30mph and the top goes up in 7 seconds. Highly highly recommend Cabs
The Targa wears the brake shield on its neck - above 100 km/h it gets uncomfortable and loud. Porsche would have to integrate wind tunnels to divert the wind flow. What the video shows excellently and unintentionally, however, is the iron-hard suspension set-up of the GTS (1st car). Rather not a daily driver. Thanks for the informative video and all the work! Best wishes from Germany.
Cab is the best way to experience exhaust and surroundings- especially if you get to drive in beautiful countryside. Use the wind deflector and have the windows all the way up for the best usage. Use AC or heat as needed and you get an awesome, unparalleled driving experience.
You didn’t pop up the Targa’s wind deflector that is built into the top of the windshield. You would have had a much more enjoyable experience with that deflector popped up!
Thanks so much for this. I don’t think anyone has done a full back-to-back comparison like this before. I am a former 991 gts cab owner and considering the targa since I agree that the looks are much better and I live in western Canada where the all wheel drive and more secure top is appreciated. I’m also a motorcyclist so wind doesn’t bother me but the “whomp whomp” buffeting does. This is a great breakdown and will help in making my decision. Cheers!
You didn’t try the cab with the windows up. You can drive it with the just front windows up and with the rear windows up. 65 it’s listed and you can try both those combinations with the deflected up or down. It basically gives you six different ways of driving with the top down.
I always drive cab (not a Porsche) with the front windows up. When hot, ac is turned on, when pleasant temp, it is ideal to drive with windows up, when cold, heating is turned on.
Let me open by saying I’m not trolling anyone. As a long time porsche fanatic and owner of a few 911’s along with other Porsche’s, I have some strong opinions. In my opinion, a 911 Cabriolet is totally a chick car. One of my 911’s is a Targa 4S manual 992.1 and I love it. It looks better than a cab and I think is much more unique and I think safer too.
You may have left off the ceramic brakes on the GTS description, which is a $9k option. Very expensive build. The Targa is by far a better looking and more desirable car, and holds value better/longer. I have had both and your description of the ride/noise is spot on. I enjoyed the cab a lot, but the Targa is just plain special.
Cab all the way! The targa may look a little nicer but the cab can put the top up or down while driving up to 30ish mph. The targa has to be at a dead stop. It takes longer top put a targa top up or down. Imagine if it starts raining and you have to pull over and find a place to come to a complete stop and wait for the slower top to raise. Also you have to be careful to not have anything directly behind you because the glass top goes back farther than the bumper of the car. The glass roof is heavier and puts the weight up high making the car not as stable or handle as well as the cab. The cab has magnesium panels under the fabric so it is strong and well insulated for noise and temperature and much lighter. Get the heated cooled seats, heated steering wheel,burmiester for great clean loud sound, sport exhaust, sport chrono and you have the best of all worlds- quiet refined top up or sport or sport plus sporty driving top down with loud clean music or enjoy the top down sounds of the sport exhaust. To cool down after a spirited drive you can turn off the sport or sport plus a quiet the car down and soften the suspension and just cruise. Again best of all worlds and much less buffeting!
I sold my 918 for an incredible offer and received a Turbo S. It’s a great car but my 1997 Turbo is still my favorite. That whale tail just can’t be beat
Gorgeous vid. Nice to see that the angle of the windscreen is the same as the non-convertible’s. Thats the right experience of open driving like mine Saab 9-3 OG convertible. About feeling secure in an open car…you have to have some skills to own a convertible, one of that is to have some authority 🤓 so people will not enter your car.
Ok cab is better with roof down but personally I don’t like the side profile with the roof up. Targa more buffeting with roof up but looks way better with roof up or down imo?
Great review and hair Mike! Targa w/7 speed Stick is heaven. Odd how the cabin on Targa looks more confined vs Cab. Maybe seat height. Enjoy your presentations. ✌️
I am your target market and local here about 1-mile from your dealership. Love the Targa but you guys have always made it hard to buy a car from you so I gave up.
Cab all the time, because i like to drive open also above 100 km/h and then the Targa is horrible with all that noise. It is a pitty because it is a beautiful car.
I love my Targa Heritage Edition. Literally everywhere I go, I get a “nice car, man.” The Cab has such a strange looking butt-hump. If I had to pick, I’d take a Coupe before the Cab, and a Targa over both. One commenter mentioned the Targa’s enhanced resale value. That’s 100% true: It’s really hard to get ANY new Targa. In the DC area, it;s like an 18 month wait to get delivery of your allocation.
Ha, no, you didn’t miss it. I didn’t know the Targa had a deflector. I will go try the car again with the deflector and see what difference it makes. 👍🏼
I’d cut my hair and not worry. Better still wear a hat. And always drive with the side windows up, the aerodynamics are designed to work with windows UP…..
was the wind declector real up at the targa? according from the vid I m not shure. i mean making such a vid without evern speaking about it does zero sence.
The wind deflector at the top of the windshield on the targa automatically goes up when the top is stowed, and cannot even be put down, so that’s why I didn’t mention it.
@@mikerusznak Sorry no, it does not do that in full. There are two stages of opening the wind deflector. The first is automatic. The second must be operated manually. At least in Germany. The second stage reduces the helmoltzeffect/buffering above 70 KmH (kmh not miles.) The first between 0-70kmH.
I have had one coupe and just recently purchased my 3rd cab since 2016. The cabriolet driving experience is better for me. Top down you really see and hear things to another level. I do think the coupe and targa have a slightly better look but I’m more about how it feels driving. Great thing about Porsche is they have something for any enthusiast’s tastes!
@@mikerusznak I actually don’t like the look of the Targa with the roof up or down. I think the cab looks fantastic with the roof up or down. And it’s got far better aerodynamics and cabin quality.
targa is just fashion today so will be out in 10 years . cabrio is the real design. I remember the old targa from 1970 were people were curing this ugly metal to transform it in cab.
What do u drive? 😂😂 if they look so boring how come everyone says nice car everywhere I go? Literally can't go anywhere without someone saying something.
Cab is the best way to experience exhaust and surroundings- especially if you get to drive in beautiful countryside. Use the wind deflector and have the windows all the way up for the best usage. Use AC or heat as needed and you get an awesome, unparalleled driving experience.
Exactly. Summer or Winter, I have my cab top down all the time unless it’s raining. Winter is probably the best, with the four windows up, the deflector up, the heater on full bore, and the heated seats cranked up. I have a 991.1 C4S Cab with the GTS engine, so the sound is sublime with the sports exhaust, the variable induction tubes and the NA engine. Pure nirvana.
Cab all the way! The targa may look a little nicer but the cab can put the top up or down while driving up to 30ish mph. The targa has to be at a dead stop. It takes longer top put a targa top up or down. Imagine if it starts raining and you have to pull over and find a place to come to a complete stop and wait for the slower top to raise. Also you have to be careful to not have anything directly behind you because the glass top goes back farther than the bumper of the car. The glass roof is heavier and puts the weight up high making the car not as stable or handle as well as the cab. The cab has magnesium panels under the fabric so it is strong and well insulated for noise and temperature and much lighter. Get the heated cooled seats, heated steering wheel,burmiester for great clean loud sound, sport exhaust, sport chrono and you have the best of all worlds- quiet refined top up or sport or sport plus sporty driving top down with loud clean music or enjoy the top down sounds of the sport exhaust. To cool down after a spirited drive you can turn off the sport or sport plus a quiet the car down and soften the suspension and just cruise. Again best of all worlds and much less buffeting!
You didn’t try the cab with the windows up. You can drive it with the just front windows up and with the rear windows up. 65 it’s listed and you can try both those combinations with the deflected up or down. It basically gives you six different ways of driving with the top down.
Cab all the way! The targa may look a little nicer but the cab can put the top up or down while driving up to 30ish mph. The targa has to be at a dead stop. It takes longer top put a targa top up or down. Imagine if it starts raining and you have to pull over and find a place to come to a complete stop and wait for the slower top to raise. Also you have to be careful to not have anything directly behind you because the glass top goes back farther than the bumper of the car. The glass roof is heavier and puts the weight up high making the car not as stable or handle as well as the cab. The cab has magnesium panels under the fabric so it is strong and well insulated for noise and temperature and much lighter. Get the heated cooled seats, heated steering wheel,burmiester for great clean loud sound, sport exhaust, sport chrono and you have the best of all worlds- quiet refined top up or sport or sport plus sporty driving top down with loud clean music or enjoy the top down sounds of the sport exhaust. To cool down after a spirited drive you can turn off the sport or sport plus a quiet the car down and soften the suspension and just cruise. Again best of all worlds and much less buffeting!
Just drove a GTS/4 Targa 6500 kms in 12 days all over Europe. 8 mountain passes 2500 kms on the Autobahn & 7 countries. Had a MB AMG GT 63 2 weeks ago on some of the same roads 2200 kms in 36 hours. The GT 63 was fast but the 911 was just so much more fun to drive.
Awesome! That is totally my dream. Hopefully this channel will get me there. 👍🏼🏎️
Cabriolet all the way! Proper open top motoring and the rear of the car looks gorgeous, hood down!😍
A cabriolet that exudes elegance and sophistication
👍☝️
Boxster 981S. Flat 6. Midnight Blue with full Luxor beige interior. Great handling, great sound, great look from every angle. Love it fully open, incredibly quiet with windows up if trying to have a conversation or listen to music (I prefer to listen to the flat 6 - glorious!).
Awesome! Great description 👍🏼🏎️
Think the person who ordered blue details over a tan interior on a white car was colorblind.
I liked it!
Let me talk about mountains and tunnels. Cabriolet in the mountains is an unparalleled experience. The views are mindblowing. You see so much more with the top down. Your passenger will love it too. But the best part? The way the exhaust echoes of the mountian walls back into the cabin. It sounds like an F1 race. Tunnels too! But just driving past streams, waterfalls, overlooks - oh and sunsets with the top down!! At night you can look up see the milky way. If it starts to sprinkle drop to 30mph and the top goes up in 7 seconds. Highly highly recommend Cabs
Well put. 👊🏼
The Targa wears the brake shield on its neck - above 100 km/h it gets uncomfortable and loud. Porsche would have to integrate wind tunnels to divert the wind flow. What the video shows excellently and unintentionally, however, is the iron-hard suspension set-up of the GTS (1st car). Rather not a daily driver. Thanks for the informative video and all the work! Best wishes from Germany.
Well put. Thanks for the encouragement. 👊🏼
Surely you would have the side windows up on the highway to reduce the noise and swirl
Nahh
Thank you for honest opinion!
Always! 👊🏼
Cab is the best way to experience exhaust and surroundings- especially if you get to drive in beautiful countryside. Use the wind deflector and have the windows all the way up for the best usage. Use AC or heat as needed and you get an awesome, unparalleled driving experience.
Love my 911 turbo S cabriolet! Always drive with the top down and always have the deflector up!❤
You didn’t pop up the Targa’s wind deflector that is built into the top of the windshield. You would have had a much more enjoyable experience with that deflector popped up!
Thank you. I didn’t even know there was a deflector up there. As soon as we get another targa in I will check it out. 👍🏼
Cabs all the way!
Thanks so much for this. I don’t think anyone has done a full back-to-back comparison like this before. I am a former 991 gts cab owner and considering the targa since I agree that the looks are much better and I live in western Canada where the all wheel drive and more secure top is appreciated. I’m also a motorcyclist so wind doesn’t bother me but the “whomp whomp” buffeting does. This is a great breakdown and will help in making my decision. Cheers!
Thanks 👊🏼
I sold my boxster and brought a 992 targa. Sold it after 6 months and brought another boxster. The targa is far far too noisy with the roof down.
What difference did the windshield deflector have on the buffeting? @sxsw12
You didn’t try the cab with the windows up. You can drive it with the just front windows up and with the rear windows up. 65 it’s listed and you can try both those combinations with the deflected up or down. It basically gives you six different ways of driving with the top down.
I always drive cab (not a Porsche) with the front windows up. When hot, ac is turned on, when pleasant temp, it is ideal to drive with windows up, when cold, heating is turned on.
Let me open by saying I’m not trolling anyone.
As a long time porsche fanatic and owner of a few 911’s along with other Porsche’s, I have some strong opinions. In my opinion, a 911 Cabriolet is totally a chick car. One of my 911’s is a Targa 4S manual 992.1 and I love it. It looks better than a cab and I think is much more unique and I think safer too.
Targa cabin buffeting is reduced dramatically by deploying the wind deflector built into the windscreen.
You would think Porsche would find some way to vent the air out the back so it’s not to have the buffeting.
@@mikerusznak They did design a way. The retractable wind deflector works perfect. No buffeting when deployed even at highway speeds.
Targa variant is the best looking 911 in my opinion.
Hard choice but my heart says the targa and my bank account says mazda miata
You may have left off the ceramic brakes on the GTS description, which is a $9k option. Very expensive build. The Targa is by far a better looking and more desirable car, and holds value better/longer. I have had both and your description of the ride/noise is spot on. I enjoyed the cab a lot, but the Targa is just plain special.
Whoops. Yep forgot about the PCCBs . Thanks 👊🏼
I've driven it and it's fun. But how do you look at the coast plastic dash daily? No design
Hair is lookin good Mike!
Cab all the way! The targa may look a little nicer but the cab can put the top up or down while driving up to 30ish mph. The targa has to be at a dead stop. It takes longer top put a targa top up or down. Imagine if it starts raining and you have to pull over and find a place to come to a complete stop and wait for the slower top to raise. Also you have to be careful to not have anything directly behind you because the glass top goes back farther than the bumper of the car. The glass roof is heavier and puts the weight up high making the car not as stable or handle as well as the cab. The cab has magnesium panels under the fabric so it is strong and well insulated for noise and temperature and much lighter. Get the heated cooled seats, heated steering wheel,burmiester for great clean loud sound, sport exhaust, sport chrono and you have the best of all worlds- quiet refined top up or sport or sport plus sporty driving top down with loud clean music or enjoy the top down sounds of the sport exhaust. To cool down after a spirited drive you can turn off the sport or sport plus a quiet the car down and soften the suspension and just cruise. Again best of all worlds and much less buffeting!
Targa looks best, but... The targa jas no big tank, no pasm with minus 10mm and the wind noise is terrible... But i love mine
All true. 👍🏼
You forgot to press the wind deflector on the targa located in front of you.
What?! I did not know. I will go try it. 👍🏼
It’s on the top of the windshield.
Love both but the targa is gorgeous with the top down. Peak porsche shape
Wish i had this problem
I sold my 918 for an incredible offer and received a Turbo S. It’s a great car but my 1997 Turbo is still my favorite. That whale tail just can’t be beat
Manual Porsche stunning driving
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Good honest information 👍🏻
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I’d rather have a Boxster over a 911 Cab but would choose Targa over both. Best of both worlds IMO.
Boxster, or better yet, a spyder. All day, every day.
@ Spyder just doesn’t have the convenience of the Boxster’s top and if you get the GTS4.0, you’re essentially getting the same vehicle as the Spyder.
@@kemalpiskin1304 The suspension is quite different, aero, aesthetics very different…so no, you’re not getting the same car.
👍🏼 spyder! 👍🏼
Spyder reminds me of a 918.
Gorgeous vid. Nice to see that the angle of the windscreen is the same as the non-convertible’s. Thats the right experience of open driving like mine Saab 9-3 OG convertible. About feeling secure in an open car…you have to have some skills to own a convertible, one of that is to have some authority 🤓 so people will not enter your car.
Thanks. Yes I bet. 👍🏼
Ok cab is better with roof down but personally I don’t like the side profile with the roof up. Targa more buffeting with roof up but looks way better with roof up or down imo?
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Targa. Obviously.
Great review and hair Mike! Targa w/7 speed Stick is heaven. Odd how the cabin on Targa looks more confined vs Cab. Maybe seat height. Enjoy your presentations. ✌️
Ha. Thanks brother 👊🏼
I like the tan inside better...😎
I’d be pleased with either body, but strongly prefer the manual.
Manual is sooooo smooth
I am your target market and local here about 1-mile from your dealership. Love the Targa but you guys have always made it hard to buy a car from you so I gave up.
Can I assist?
The only 911 I will own is a coupe...
I agree 👍🏼
A hat would solve many problems…
Cab all the time, because i like to drive open also above 100 km/h and then the Targa is horrible with all that noise. It is a pitty because it is a beautiful car.
Well put. 👍🏼
GTS Cabriolet manual shift ❤
👍🏼💯
Nice blend of a beautiful sports car and photography! Can I ask the diver watch model? Looks like a Seiko?
Apple Watch Ultra 👍🏼
Have the targa gts and love it
why did you not raise the side windows all the way up?
That's what I'm saying
If you want the top down for “open air” driving I’d figure you’d want the windows down as well.
Why raise windows up? Looks ridiculous with top down
I love my Targa Heritage Edition. Literally everywhere I go, I get a “nice car, man.” The Cab has such a strange looking butt-hump. If I had to pick, I’d take a Coupe before the Cab, and a Targa over both. One commenter mentioned the Targa’s enhanced resale value. That’s 100% true: It’s really hard to get ANY new Targa. In the DC area, it;s like an 18 month wait to get delivery of your allocation.
Nice! Love the heritage editions. Yes I totally agree on the hump. 👍🏼
Wow, what would the new one's cost !
I will keep my 17 C2S cab and 20 spyder.
Spyder is in my top 5 list. 👍🏼
Spyder 420 hp/ 4 liter in manual is also on my top list
Did I miss it Mike, or did you not use the Targa’s deflector?
Ha, no, you didn’t miss it. I didn’t know the Targa had a deflector. I will go try the car again with the deflector and see what difference it makes. 👍🏼
You should make a follow up to this video using wind deflector , only fair 👍
200K for a used 4S????
CABRIOLET * That wind noise sound in Targa is not acceptable, period !
992.2 driving review pls
Hopefully filming one tomorrow. I wanted to do a back to back comparison with a 992.1 but we just sold the last one we had.
Who would’ve thought?
I’d cut my hair and not worry. Better still wear a hat.
And always drive with the side windows up, the aerodynamics are designed to work with windows UP…..
But it looks ridiculous with windows up
5:00. Worried about people jumping in car?😂. Where are you driving? You can always put the windows or top up. Just drive fast!
“Just drive fast” 😂👍🏼
Or - move away from California 😂
was the wind declector real up at the targa? according from the vid I m not shure. i mean making such a vid without evern speaking about it does zero sence.
The wind deflector at the top of the windshield on the targa automatically goes up when the top is stowed, and cannot even be put down, so that’s why I didn’t mention it.
@@mikerusznak Sorry no. It does not do that automatically.
@@mikerusznak Sorry no, it does not do that in full. There are two stages of opening the wind deflector. The first is automatic. The second must be operated manually. At least in Germany. The second stage reduces the helmoltzeffect/buffering above 70 KmH (kmh not miles.) The first between 0-70kmH.
I'm pretty sure they're both 4WD are they not?
Yes, both of these cars are four-wheel-drive but the Targa does not come in 2 Wheel Dr.
The Targa is pure theatre, it has always been my favorite model, thanks for a great video.
Targa!!!
911 open top convertible ❤
This interior is sick dude
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targa every day
Porsche Boxter GTS 4.0
Oof. You never put the windows up? Top down + deflector up + windows up + heat/ac = perfection
Looks ridiculous with top down & windows up
Duhhhhhh "CONVERTIBLE!!!!"
I prefer the cabriolet over the Targa.
cab looks better
Targa always. Cabs are horrible and destroy the lines of the car. If you want a 911 cab, just get a Miata.
💯 agree
Or a 718 Spyder, which is the best looking open tip Porsche IMO. 👍🏼
Targa is better looking. BUT that wind inside the cabin is not what Porsche represents. Sorry, for me it is the coupé.
I have had one coupe and just recently purchased my 3rd cab since 2016. The cabriolet driving experience is better for me. Top down you really see and hear things to another level. I do think the coupe and targa have a slightly better look but I’m more about how it feels driving. Great thing about Porsche is they have something for any enthusiast’s tastes!
@@mikerusznak I actually don’t like the look of the Targa with the roof up or down. I think the cab looks fantastic with the roof up or down. And it’s got far better aerodynamics and cabin quality.
That cab is a weird spec. Yellow seat belts and straight black wheels would be better. Blue is my favorite color too, just looks out of place here.
Speedster
It’s not better , Speedster is the ultimate. 👍🏼
targa is just fashion today so will be out in 10 years . cabrio is the real design. I remember the old targa from 1970 were people were curing this ugly metal to transform it in cab.
Windows.
"Blast him!..."
Windows down
Is the buffering roar, less with windows down or up, in Targa and Cab?
Look at the inside boring
Both are grugly. A Porsche needs a fixed hard top and a big arse rear wing.
Ah, an RS fan. 👍🏼
No they look outdated and boring and overpriced not sexy
What do u drive? 😂😂 if they look so boring how come everyone says nice car everywhere I go? Literally can't go anywhere without someone saying something.
Definitely neither outdated nor boring, you clearly belong to the Porsche haters club
Cab is the best way to experience exhaust and surroundings- especially if you get to drive in beautiful countryside. Use the wind deflector and have the windows all the way up for the best usage. Use AC or heat as needed and you get an awesome, unparalleled driving experience.
Thanks for the tips! 👊🏼
Exactly. Summer or Winter, I have my cab top down all the time unless it’s raining.
Winter is probably the best, with the four windows up, the deflector up, the heater on full bore, and the heated seats cranked up.
I have a 991.1 C4S Cab with the GTS engine, so the sound is sublime with the sports exhaust, the variable induction tubes and the NA engine.
Pure nirvana.
Cab all the way! The targa may look a little nicer but the cab can put the top up or down while driving up to 30ish mph. The targa has to be at a dead stop. It takes longer top put a targa top up or down. Imagine if it starts raining and you have to pull over and find a place to come to a complete stop and wait for the slower top to raise. Also you have to be careful to not have anything directly behind you because the glass top goes back farther than the bumper of the car. The glass roof is heavier and puts the weight up high making the car not as stable or handle as well as the cab. The cab has magnesium panels under the fabric so it is strong and well insulated for noise and temperature and much lighter. Get the heated cooled seats, heated steering wheel,burmiester for great clean loud sound, sport exhaust, sport chrono and you have the best of all worlds- quiet refined top up or sport or sport plus sporty driving top down with loud clean music or enjoy the top down sounds of the sport exhaust. To cool down after a spirited drive you can turn off the sport or sport plus a quiet the car down and soften the suspension and just cruise. Again best of all worlds and much less buffeting!
Well put. 👍🏼
Unlimited headroom for rear seat passengers makes Cab more usable as well
You didn’t try the cab with the windows up. You can drive it with the just front windows up and with the rear windows up. 65 it’s listed and you can try both those combinations with the deflected up or down. It basically gives you six different ways of driving with the top down.
Great ideas I’ll do another one in a few months. Thanks 👊🏼
Cab all the way! The targa may look a little nicer but the cab can put the top up or down while driving up to 30ish mph. The targa has to be at a dead stop. It takes longer top put a targa top up or down. Imagine if it starts raining and you have to pull over and find a place to come to a complete stop and wait for the slower top to raise. Also you have to be careful to not have anything directly behind you because the glass top goes back farther than the bumper of the car. The glass roof is heavier and puts the weight up high making the car not as stable or handle as well as the cab. The cab has magnesium panels under the fabric so it is strong and well insulated for noise and temperature and much lighter. Get the heated cooled seats, heated steering wheel,burmiester for great clean loud sound, sport exhaust, sport chrono and you have the best of all worlds- quiet refined top up or sport or sport plus sporty driving top down with loud clean music or enjoy the top down sounds of the sport exhaust. To cool down after a spirited drive you can turn off the sport or sport plus a quiet the car down and soften the suspension and just cruise. Again best of all worlds and much less buffeting!
Interesting. I didn’t even think to try raising the tops while driving. 👍🏼
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