how cool that Gaijin reduced multipath to 60 meters while the tree height has an average of 75m, BUT the new top tier map is 90 percent covered of trees.
What's even greater is, if you're that low - the missile will still crit/damage your aircraft when it explodes on the ground below you. The only place it's viabale is above open water. (insert harold cringe smile)
@@rip1175well missiles with innertial guidance will still eat you down, such as the r27er and the phoenix (but phoenix is a boat so you won't get hit by it either). What the r27er does is that it enters innertial mode when you notch while flying low so it will strike you. You have to go cold or fly towards it going low to actually multipath it.
@@kingghidorah8106 yes yes, I'm well aware - All i'm stating is that you usually get smacked on the ground now - more so then before. Even if you fly for example 50m above the ground. Before the multipathing some would still proxy you from the ground hit but it was less common. Ofcourse notching & beaming or just simply going cold works. :) Flying a harrier and hover in place works pretty good as well ;D
russian bias is joever, it's now time for some freedom coming Barack to the game. These AMRAAMs be Biden the enemies' a$$ like "that dog that doesn't bite"
I hug deck every game still. Thing is you cannot fly the same path towards the enemy. You see a missile launch you notch and if that doesnt work fly completly the other way, making hard long lefts and hard long rights in order to kill the missiles agility. Dude in video played it smart but not smart enough, he did not pull any turns to kill the agility, he only did a hard right which isnt enough.
@kashikaze9129 yeah but why would he do any moves to avoid a missile that by all logical standards shouldn't be tracking him. He was behind a mountain being locked by the eagles radar over an extended period of time. You can't play around something you don't even know is possible or aren't aware is happening and should be expected too.
@@areyou0k98 bro if you're in your front yard and a car drives passed your house do you dive away from the road into the grass and say "damn that was close!" When you were never in the road? No. Why would you? Why would you actively go out of your way to avoid something when all signs and all logic point to it not being a threat? Why would he notch against a missile that logically has zero reason to hit him? Is he supposed to account for the possibility of a glitch? Like Why isn't he dumping flares in case a random heat seeker spawns and kills him? Why isn't he trying to jink out of the way of a 30mm canon round from an aircraft 3 miles away? Because logically he has zero reason to do those things.
Oh my god . That explains why, in air maps, everything feels so slow even when flying near the ground. The trees are massive, so it doesnt look like you're covering much ground - but on GRB maps, where the trees are properly sized, it actually feels like you're moving as fast as you are. What the hell.
@@seductive_fishstick8961 have you ever considered the sea harrier fa2? Same airframe base as the gr3 at 9.7 but fighting 13.0 every game... before you get the 120, you just have to pray
Thanks for giving me a direct source to whenever I tell people "trees are comically tall". I want to see a world where warthunder was built in a modern/competent engine by a less inept developer.
What's even better, is not only are the trees comically tall, but they appear in the air sometimes, especially Komchatka. My buddy hits airborne trees fairly consistently, its hilarious.
I just want some new gamemodes man, we've been playing the same trash for over 10 years now. My biggest gripe is I haven't seen a map with aircraft carriers in a few years, I loved being a naval fighter/torpedo bomber with naval objectives.
@@dutch24 which is exactly why they nerfed multipath and made this stupid map with it's hilariously big tree's. To make people get their credit card out and rush to them.
I hug deck every game still. Thing is you cannot fly the same path towards the enemy. You see a missile launch you notch and if that doesnt work fly completly the other way, making hard long lefts and hard long rights in order to kill the missiles agility
@@_Mattz1nho These are separate issues. They nerfed multipathing because it was stupidly OP to the point that it made every battle into a low altitude furball where Radar guided missiles struggled to get good use. The stock grind needs to be addressed by allowing planes to carry at least two radar guided missiles to go along with their two stock IR missiles. It won't completely fix the issue, but the idea of a stock grind itself is the real issue here and we know Gaijin won't change this.
This happened to me the other day and I was so confused. Was fully behind a mountain, popped up to recommit, and the missile was already tracking and hit me. Ridiculous.
"The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because t̷͍̫̋̏͝ḧ̷͓́̐̇ḛ̵̭̫̾͌́͝ ̵̛̱̏͂̕m̶͓̯̃͑̓i̸̧͓̺͊̇̊s̷͓͉͉̰̒̀̍ŝ̵̢̓͝i̷̞͂l̸̛̛͕ȩ̷̠̯̗̋͗ ̵̥͔̩̂̾́͒k̵̥̲̙͌̃͊ṉ̵̮̤͋ơ̵̧̩̭̍ͅw̴̰̐̒͐s̶̛͈̙̺̏̅ͅ ̵̛͔̦̘Ē̴̛͓͙͍̕V̴̦̈̀̀Ẹ̴̣̾̌̄͘R̸̢͙͈̰͒̍̐Ỳ̵͍͖̖̠̍̔̄T̸̜̿H̴̛͙̝͐̅͐Í̸̊̓͆ͅN̵̰̾̈́̕͝Ǵ̷̼̯̗̿"
I had this happen in my Su-27SM, got into a mountain for a hot minute, only to peak out and instantly get clapped, I got called crazy for claiming this was the case, but this proves my point.
DEFYN: too many flat maps at top tier with no cover to escape from Fox 3 missiles. Gayjin: oh they are complaining about flat maps? Now we are going to make missiles track through the terrain, have fun motherfuckers.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't, by subtracting where it is, from where it isn't, or where it isn't, from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position where it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event of the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has required a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computance scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subracts where it should be, from where it wasn't, or vice versa. By differentiating this from the algebraic sum og where it shouldn't be, and where it was. It is able to obtain a deviation, and a variation, which is called "air"
About the trees, the screenshots you showed were from before the recent Its Fixed minor update where they shortened said trees. Most of them are now less than 30 meters tall. Most.
Ah yes, gaijins idea of realistic combat simulation., with redwoods everywhere and transparent mountains. Nature sure is something.| Not to mention the aim120 seeker appears to be the Kwisatz Haderach
I remember a user on Warcomm (war thunder discord server) complaining about how he was getting tracked through a mountain while playing his harrier and the other guy who was very defensive of 120s called him an idiot. Holy fuck gaijin really fucked 11.3-13.0.
@@elo4998 there would, because knowing the nuances of your shit and the enemies shit can make for some REALLY close engagements, with a good example being a Flanker vs Eagle, the flanker get FUCKED for BVR, but learning how to get close enough (15km side aspect) for a 27ET is difficult and it's almost a guaranteed kill. As long as you can balance using R77 to keep him occupied and defending his stuff
@@1rb1s_ that relies on him not thinking it's a blind fox 3 launch which at 15km, makes either possible, and it wastes flares and chaff before you even merge (assuming you get to the merge)
Clearly he didn't notch and go cold. Just a skill issue. I know how it works cause I watch DCS so im better... Ive seen people actually say that when shit like this happens with the whole "I watch DCS content so I did research" And i cant stop thinking about that.
I will say, coming from playing SATAC/SATAL, it is easier to use amraams and get kills with them. It's just boring. And soulless. I don't think ill continue playing for too long, but im forced to as a skinmaker.
@@richarddo7881 no, I'm not making skins for a squadron, just on my own. If I stop playing the game I can no longer make skins for top tier stuff. Which is what people most commonly commission.
I freaking told everyone the trees are more than 50m, how the hell do you expect to use multipath which starts from 60m, that to very less effective at that position
@@AKAKraut shut the hell up, you think that you are capable of anything just because u get kills from amraams. the games arleady fucked, notching and chaffing doesnt works always in close launches, terrain cant be used there, what the hell do u expect
Don't normally comment, but THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I have been in two or three situations where I swear I am below a hill's ridgeline, but I still have RWR warning. I fly out from behind the hill, and I am instantly met with a fox-3. This explains a lot.
Yeah, the WT trees are giant. When they lowered multipath I was flying with some birds that have radar altimeter so to see where the new 60m level is and it is below half height of most trees on AB maps.
I reckon the F15 was just flying in a straight, easily predictable line; Its speed only varies by around 20km/h. The F15 looks like it slowly creeps to the front of the sensor cone, but it should have been right in the centre of it if it was locking through the mountain, and you can see the sensor snap on as it gains LOS right before the kill
no. amraams do this irl, it’s inertial ordinance guidance for a reason. they take the last known parameters of the target that they lost lock on and continue a flight path with a “phantom” target until it reacquires lock. this is the most realistic implementation of a missile that i’ve seen gaijin add so far
hey defyn do you know what the double rwr in the mirage 2000 means (im not sure if other planes have it)? its something ive only now noticed with the new update
Google translate: I was flying with the mig 23 mld, an enemy f14 fired its phoenixes towards my entire team that was on my side, I always turned to the sides, when in the middle of the map I turned towards the center, one of the phoenixes turned towards me like If it was a drone and it started to follow me and I was shot down, watching the replay later it literally looked like a drone flying looking for someone to follow, I don't know how it did it but it seemed like it had been thrown at someone in the center and the missile kind of missed it. For a few seconds he looked for a target and found me, it was extremely strange. On top of the fact that the mig 23 is unplayable, these things happen to me. Perdón por no decirlo en ingles, pero creo que no me explicaría tan bien, usen el traductor: estaba volando con el mig 23 mld, un f14 enemigo tiro sus phoenix hacia todo mi equipo que estaba a mi costado, yo siempre me habro hacia los costados, cuando a mitad del mapa giro hacia el centro, uno de los phoenix gira hacia mi como si fuera un dron y me empieza a seguir y me derribo, viendo después la repetición literalmente parecía un dron volando buscando a quien seguir, no se como lo hizo pero parecia que se lo habia tirado a alguien del centro y el misil como que lo perdio, por unos segundos busco un objetivo y me encontro a mi, fue sumamente raro. Encima que el mig 23 esta injugable, me pasan estas cosas.
This new advanced fox3 can reacquire targets by lead turning predicting the flight path from the last known aspect of the aircraft Gaijin: nah let just straight up tracking through a literal earth😂
Very not surprised about this, the amount of times Ive had an IR missile track me througgh a forest when there is absolutely zero line of sight to my plane. If they cant get something as simple as "can missile see plane" right then I entirely expected them to fuck up more complex missiles like fox 3's
I’ve been enjoying the MICA in the M2K. Also played the hell out of the dev server before release. Blessed to not have the same issues everyone else is having 🙏
Справедливости ради стоит отметить, ракеты с АРЛГСН могут доворачивать до противника и без подсвета, запоминая некоторые параметры движения цели, что позволяет им заново захватывать цель. Однако тут явно не тот случай. Кстати, Р-27Р/ЭР/Т/ЭТ способны аналогичным способом наводиться на цель-но с гораздо меньшей точностью
You see, this might be them testing the new mechanic for drilling rockets that can go straight through mountains (only available on a down tiered premium)
I noticed terrain doesnt matter when i was playing SIM on Vietnam map with mirage 3 and was tracking player through hills with radar once you have constant elevation off it is much easier to see that fly low and point radar to scan at mountains and there wont be any interference.
All the big "Air" RUclipsrs need to get together and reach out to Gaijin to fix the current Top Tier. While Fox-3s are a great addition, the general pre-existing state of Top Tier makes it borderline unplayable right now. Get out there, start a petition and we'll follow.
Yep. I have been on both ends of this in AIR SIM. Full on break TWS track, turn 180 degrees while masking behind a big ass mountain, come up the way I went in and Fox 3 jumps out like the boogey man and kills me. I've watched my own missiles do it too on targets they shouldn't and my TWS couldn't see. The G-LOC bug that kills the ability to use countermeasures is far far far more annoying. Priority bug. Only means I've found to get rid of it once it appears is to belly land the jet and do damage. Basic refuel/rearm doesn't fix it for me. I have to land like a ESport pro.
So, do we know if this is a quirk of the AIM-120 or do all Fox-3's do this now? Is this something new, or did we just not know before "sensor view" was available? I know I am learning a lot of new things by watching sensor replays. Someone made a (semi) joke that the creator of sensor view will get fired because it is exposing flaws like this. If you haven't yet, watch a high-tier match in sensor view. It is very enlightening.
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At this rate, I'm going to go into a cold sweat every time I hear the yoshis island music.
The Dev which made all these new replay features probably gets fired now.
Bruh is exposing all the flaws XD
It's Gaijin so he's probably getting promoted to lead Dev.
The 60 meter multipath when the trees are the same or greater height:
Wow! Gaijin smart!
Is it petty if I choose to smash into the trees than letting the enemy’s missiles hit me?
@@absboodoo no
@@absboodoo Not with the current state of multipathing and trees.
All the trees are clearly sequoia
one needs a *G I A N T* seed to grow such *M A S S I V E* tree
Comically large seed
@@p_filippouzwhen God says you can only plant one seed
And massive balls to plant a million of them
Oh look, its Smigol " I hate the war thunder community and I'm glad there are hackers" Time.
@@tripodtodd9217 I agree with the first part
So that's what BVR means
Behind Visual Range
@@yourlocalchannel6904lmao
Beyond Visual Requirement
That's BMR. Behind mountain range.
its renamed BS - Bulls**t
how cool that Gaijin reduced multipath to 60 meters while the tree height has an average of 75m, BUT the new top tier map is 90 percent covered of trees.
yeah its so stupid lol. makes it impossible to dodge missiles unless youre 90° chaffing
@@H-crankythe secret valley map of the spaceport is absolutely mind numbing.
What's even greater is, if you're that low - the missile will still crit/damage your aircraft when it explodes on the ground below you. The only place it's viabale is above open water. (insert harold cringe smile)
@@rip1175well missiles with innertial guidance will still eat you down, such as the r27er and the phoenix (but phoenix is a boat so you won't get hit by it either). What the r27er does is that it enters innertial mode when you notch while flying low so it will strike you. You have to go cold or fly towards it going low to actually multipath it.
@@kingghidorah8106 yes yes, I'm well aware - All i'm stating is that you usually get smacked on the ground now - more so then before. Even if you fly for example 50m above the ground. Before the multipathing some would still proxy you from the ground hit but it was less common. Ofcourse notching & beaming or just simply going cold works. :) Flying a harrier and hover in place works pretty good as well ;D
Me on my way to clutch the game 1v1 but the wallhacking 120 has other ideas, truly a brilliant game.
russian bias is joever, it's now time for some freedom coming Barack to the game. These AMRAAMs be Biden the enemies' a$$ like "that dog that doesn't bite"
@@kingghidorah8106 i think you meant SPAMRAAMs
@@Arkovic Jeff Bezos' Spamraamazon you mean. ruclips.net/video/vWJ33yXHLlY/видео.htmlsi=XeZe6pAGOn4ejfWG
how did you comment 14 hours ago while the video is 2 horus before
@@NoisterPro I multipathed into the comment section early
"Just notch and crank". The notching and cranking in question
I hug deck every game still. Thing is you cannot fly the same path towards the enemy. You see a missile launch you notch and if that doesnt work fly completly the other way, making hard long lefts and hard long rights in order to kill the missiles agility. Dude in video played it smart but not smart enough, he did not pull any turns to kill the agility, he only did a hard right which isnt enough.
@@CaptKashi Yes and it still tracked him through a mountain. I wouldn't expect a Radar/Missile to track me through a mountain either I will be real
@kashikaze9129 yeah but why would he do any moves to avoid a missile that by all logical standards shouldn't be tracking him.
He was behind a mountain being locked by the eagles radar over an extended period of time. You can't play around something you don't even know is possible or aren't aware is happening and should be expected too.
I agree that missiles shouldn't be tracking through ground like this, but at no point did the downed aircraft notch the incoming missile lol
@@areyou0k98 bro if you're in your front yard and a car drives passed your house do you dive away from the road into the grass and say "damn that was close!" When you were never in the road? No. Why would you? Why would you actively go out of your way to avoid something when all signs and all logic point to it not being a threat?
Why would he notch against a missile that logically has zero reason to hit him? Is he supposed to account for the possibility of a glitch? Like Why isn't he dumping flares in case a random heat seeker spawns and kills him? Why isn't he trying to jink out of the way of a 30mm canon round from an aircraft 3 miles away? Because logically he has zero reason to do those things.
Defyn harnessing the power of Belkan Witchcraft to lock through the terrain
It's always Belka's fault.
@@istubbedmytoe8867I mean to be entirely fair who was arming... well... every single war after 1995😂
@firestarteronyoutube5542 it's clearly the Osean Federation
Oh my god . That explains why, in air maps, everything feels so slow even when flying near the ground. The trees are massive, so it doesnt look like you're covering much ground - but on GRB maps, where the trees are properly sized, it actually feels like you're moving as fast as you are. What the hell.
Top tier stock grind is almost playable!
27sm was the worst stock grind I’ve never done. First time I’ve ever legitimately considered using GE for mods
Stock grinding my first MiG-29 through the tears currently.
@@seductive_fishstick8961 I am researching that one now. Send help. I go back to my US tree to AMRAMM after I have died enough.
@@seductive_fishstick8961 thats what the snail want !
@@seductive_fishstick8961 have you ever considered the sea harrier fa2?
Same airframe base as the gr3 at 9.7 but fighting 13.0 every game... before you get the 120, you just have to pray
clearly you dont know that the god blessed aim-120 has a telepathic seeker and it can take glimpses into the future😎
Lisan al-Gaib!
The missile knows where it is because it drank the Water of Life
Lol more like the power of western propaganda working and Gaijin bowing down to it like they did with f-14 top gun maverick 🇺🇸🦅💩
Thanks for giving me a direct source to whenever I tell people "trees are comically tall".
I want to see a world where warthunder was built in a modern/competent engine by a less inept developer.
What's even better, is not only are the trees comically tall, but they appear in the air sometimes, especially Komchatka. My buddy hits airborne trees fairly consistently, its hilarious.
@@SkunkdMonk The flating trees on Kamchatka have hitboxes? I tought you could fly trough them.
@@admiralbimback2062 You can fly through them... doesn't mean they don't have hitboxes
I just want some new gamemodes man, we've been playing the same trash for over 10 years now. My biggest gripe is I haven't seen a map with aircraft carriers in a few years, I loved being a naval fighter/torpedo bomber with naval objectives.
Thanks for sharing your aircraft setup in the description - will be sure to try it out!
70m tree plus 60m multipath is the most intelligent thing in the world
Yeah 10 metre trees and 10 metre multipath is much more realistic.
BVR is cool mf's when the Enemy Missile tracks through a Mountain (The Plane behind the mountain is beyond visual range)
its over for deck huggers billions must larp at high alt...
Aaaaghhg I don't have AMRAAMs yettt
@@dutch24 which is exactly why they nerfed multipath and made this stupid map with it's hilariously big tree's. To make people get their credit card out and rush to them.
I thought you died
I hug deck every game still. Thing is you cannot fly the same path towards the enemy. You see a missile launch you notch and if that doesnt work fly completly the other way, making hard long lefts and hard long rights in order to kill the missiles agility
@@_Mattz1nho These are separate issues. They nerfed multipathing because it was stupidly OP to the point that it made every battle into a low altitude furball where Radar guided missiles struggled to get good use. The stock grind needs to be addressed by allowing planes to carry at least two radar guided missiles to go along with their two stock IR missiles. It won't completely fix the issue, but the idea of a stock grind itself is the real issue here and we know Gaijin won't change this.
Warthunder: It's almost fun!
This is BS for sure but if you actually change up the approach, the missiles are not that bad. People just wont stop doing the same approach.
This happened to me the other day and I was so confused. Was fully behind a mountain, popped up to recommit, and the missile was already tracking and hit me. Ridiculous.
Missile really knows, and it's scary af
"The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because t̷͍̫̋̏͝ḧ̷͓́̐̇ḛ̵̭̫̾͌́͝ ̵̛̱̏͂̕m̶͓̯̃͑̓i̸̧͓̺͊̇̊s̷͓͉͉̰̒̀̍ŝ̵̢̓͝i̷̞͂l̸̛̛͕ȩ̷̠̯̗̋͗ ̵̥͔̩̂̾́͒k̵̥̲̙͌̃͊ṉ̵̮̤͋ơ̵̧̩̭̍ͅw̴̰̐̒͐s̶̛͈̙̺̏̅ͅ ̵̛͔̦̘Ē̴̛͓͙͍̕V̴̦̈̀̀Ẹ̴̣̾̌̄͘R̸̢͙͈̰͒̍̐Ỳ̵͍͖̖̠̍̔̄T̸̜̿H̴̛͙̝͐̅͐Í̸̊̓͆ͅN̵̰̾̈́̕͝Ǵ̷̼̯̗̿"
Oh my goodness, Russian bias is no more. The tiny seeker in a missile from US can see through a literal mountain
I had this happen in my Su-27SM, got into a mountain for a hot minute, only to peak out and instantly get clapped, I got called crazy for claiming this was the case, but this proves my point.
With this update i am running out of "it is what it is".
DEFYN: too many flat maps at top tier with no cover to escape from Fox 3 missiles.
Gayjin: oh they are complaining about flat maps? Now we are going to make missiles track through the terrain, have fun motherfuckers.
"R27ER was OP for so long, Americans deserve this"
its not even the fox three's fault if gaijin just didn't fuck with multipath top tier air rb would be actually playable
@@casualspawnpeeking3680 I don't know the credibility of the information but I've heard that SARH missiles still have 100m multipathing.
Clownshow.
@@Evrimomonojust wait you know their cooking up that r27EA. 🫡
@@Evrimomono i dont think thats true ive gotten many kills with r-27ER of people flying between trees, but im not sure
@@Evrimomono They are not, play any vehicle with even AIM7F´s and you see an insane difference from before to what it is now.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't, by subtracting where it is, from where it isn't, or where it isn't, from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position where it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event of the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has required a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computance scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subracts where it should be, from where it wasn't, or vice versa. By differentiating this from the algebraic sum og where it shouldn't be, and where it was. It is able to obtain a deviation, and a variation, which is called "air"
But it’s totally fine because the r27er was better than the aim7m right???
Surely this is all IOG missiles?
Defyn trying to not lose his sanity
Snail:
me when 50 meters tall trees
More like 200.
Me when flying trees
Oh don’t forget trees on top of 4000m tall mountains on certain maps…
Esport ready without a doubt
Thanks Gaijin very cool
The missile knows were it is, it also knows were the enemy is at all times
That white text on yellow plane contrast though
Best thing yet, the other player gets no Radar warning either
"We reduced multipath to 60 meters so the game will be more realistic"
The realistic game in question:
who wouldnt have a sequoia right next to its apartment
specially on east asia
The "O" in "IOG" stands for omnipotent.
About the trees, the screenshots you showed were from before the recent Its Fixed minor update where they shortened said trees. Most of them are now less than 30 meters tall. Most.
Ah yes, gaijins idea of realistic combat simulation., with redwoods everywhere and transparent mountains. Nature sure is something.|
Not to mention the aim120 seeker appears to be the Kwisatz Haderach
I remember a user on Warcomm (war thunder discord server) complaining about how he was getting tracked through a mountain while playing his harrier and the other guy who was very defensive of 120s called him an idiot. Holy fuck gaijin really fucked 11.3-13.0.
cant wait for every match will be full of F16 and F15 and no other jet cuz they are useless no point of playing them LOL . russian bias my ass
Now the haters are seeing the true skill in BVR combat!
There would be skill If gaijin didn't fck it up as always lmao
@@franciscohughes1757 no there would be not
@@elo4998 there would, because knowing the nuances of your shit and the enemies shit can make for some REALLY close engagements, with a good example being a Flanker vs Eagle, the flanker get FUCKED for BVR, but learning how to get close enough (15km side aspect) for a 27ET is difficult and it's almost a guaranteed kill. As long as you can balance using R77 to keep him occupied and defending his stuff
@@franciscohughes1757ET when F15 has the flare key bound:
@@1rb1s_ that relies on him not thinking it's a blind fox 3 launch which at 15km, makes either possible, and it wastes flares and chaff before you even merge (assuming you get to the merge)
Clearly he didn't notch and go cold. Just a skill issue. I know how it works cause I watch DCS so im better...
Ive seen people actually say that when shit like this happens with the whole "I watch DCS content so I did research"
And i cant stop thinking about that.
I will say, coming from playing SATAC/SATAL, it is easier to use amraams and get kills with them.
It's just boring. And soulless. I don't think ill continue playing for too long, but im forced to as a skinmaker.
@@HowIsAsh what kind of squadron force its skinmaker guy to play the game? The dude in charge of making skin in mine barely play with us lol
Was the ‘DCS content’ just Tabs shorts that autoplayed after whatever War Thunder thing he was watching first?
@@robertgaudet7407 probably cause i wipe the floor with these ''bvr elitist'' in sim
@@richarddo7881 no, I'm not making skins for a squadron, just on my own. If I stop playing the game I can no longer make skins for top tier stuff. Which is what people most commonly commission.
This clearly proves why bvr is skillfull and fun just get good man!!
this is a certified gaijin classic
We're going to Zenturion with these type of vids!!!
I fucking had a feeling that these missiles are tracking through terrain. Gagjin and their inability to model stuff correctly 😭😭😭
Make sense why I got hit by some fox 3 while hiding behind moutain lol truely an amazing experience
Beyond visual range ❌
Behind mountain range ✅
i love your videos Defyn ty for always making quality product. you've helped me improve alot in WT
DEFYN is now a Korean CC?? Incredible
I already noticed the different tree scale on different maps a while ago. Rocky Canyon is also an extreme example.
I freaking told everyone the trees are more than 50m, how the hell do you expect to use multipath which starts from 60m, that to very less effective at that position
You don't. You learn to fly correctly instead of relying on a crutch.
@@AKAKraut shut the hell up, you think that you are capable of anything just because u get kills from amraams. the games arleady fucked, notching and chaffing doesnt works always in close launches, terrain cant be used there, what the hell do u expect
Never have I ever though that I'd see wallhacking and air rb in the same sentence
Stock grinding the F-4F KWS without chaff is the greatest experience known to man.
This does explain how i will come out from behind a mountain and STILL have a fox 3 coming to whoop my ass
Thank you for sharing the loadout specifications in the description lmaoo
Don't normally comment, but THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I have been in two or three situations where I swear I am below a hill's ridgeline, but I still have RWR warning. I fly out from behind the hill, and I am instantly met with a fox-3. This explains a lot.
Radars and radar guided missiles have wallhack in WT. Good job Gaijin.
Early-morning shitpost, best shitpost
This has actually been happening since before this patch, Phoenix's were also tracking through terrain. Thank Gaijin
How can I get the loadout from the description?
I'll go back to props. Hopefully smart bullets aren't a thing yet in WT.
Bububut my skills and cranking the hog and touching the stick and notching the bar nooooo my multipathing
Yeah, the WT trees are giant. When they lowered multipath I was flying with some birds that have radar altimeter so to see where the new 60m level is and it is below half height of most trees on AB maps.
I reckon the F15 was just flying in a straight, easily predictable line; Its speed only varies by around 20km/h. The F15 looks like it slowly creeps to the front of the sensor cone, but it should have been right in the centre of it if it was locking through the mountain, and you can see the sensor snap on as it gains LOS right before the kill
most well written gaijin code
sekrit document F15 was fitted with seismic scanner
Is the plane getting locked thru the mountain getting an RWR?
Asking the real questions here
no. amraams do this irl, it’s inertial ordinance guidance for a reason. they take the last known parameters of the target that they lost lock on and continue a flight path with a “phantom” target until it reacquires lock. this is the most realistic implementation of a missile that i’ve seen gaijin add so far
@@defnotcryptic if that’s all it is aim-9ms also already did this.
@@robertgaudet7407 not the same way as aim9s. aim9x is similar, but not quite as good as amraam
as amraams*
The trees being that size is probably to help on performance for those with lower end PCs.
this is content that i'd expect tom see in 2018, i'm not complaining, i love this
Clearly they made the trees giant to concide with the release of the Elden Ring DLC.
That missile knows way to well where it is
Not only does the missle know where its at, it also knows where you will be
That poor guy got a classic gaijin moment
hey defyn do you know what the double rwr in the mirage 2000 means (im not sure if other planes have it)? its something ive only now noticed with the new update
Also did you notice that the new Belgian f16am has hmd for IR missiles but not on radar????
Google translate:
I was flying with the mig 23 mld, an enemy f14 fired its phoenixes towards my entire team that was on my side, I always turned to the sides, when in the middle of the map I turned towards the center, one of the phoenixes turned towards me like If it was a drone and it started to follow me and I was shot down, watching the replay later it literally looked like a drone flying looking for someone to follow, I don't know how it did it but it seemed like it had been thrown at someone in the center and the missile kind of missed it. For a few seconds he looked for a target and found me, it was extremely strange. On top of the fact that the mig 23 is unplayable, these things happen to me.
Perdón por no decirlo en ingles, pero creo que no me explicaría tan bien, usen el traductor:
estaba volando con el mig 23 mld, un f14 enemigo tiro sus phoenix hacia todo mi equipo que estaba a mi costado, yo siempre me habro hacia los costados, cuando a mitad del mapa giro hacia el centro, uno de los phoenix gira hacia mi como si fuera un dron y me empieza a seguir y me derribo, viendo después la repetición literalmente parecía un dron volando buscando a quien seguir, no se como lo hizo pero parecia que se lo habia tirado a alguien del centro y el misil como que lo perdio, por unos segundos busco un objetivo y me encontro a mi, fue sumamente raro. Encima que el mig 23 esta injugable, me pasan estas cosas.
This explains so much
This new advanced fox3 can reacquire targets by lead turning predicting the flight path from the last known aspect of the aircraft
Gaijin: nah let just straight up tracking through a literal earth😂
nice description defyn
I too noticed the gargantuan trees
Very not surprised about this, the amount of times Ive had an IR missile track me througgh a forest when there is absolutely zero line of sight to my plane. If they cant get something as simple as "can missile see plane" right then I entirely expected them to fuck up more complex missiles like fox 3's
I’ve been enjoying the MICA in the M2K. Also played the hell out of the dev server before release. Blessed to not have the same issues everyone else is having 🙏
Справедливости ради стоит отметить, ракеты с АРЛГСН могут доворачивать до противника и без подсвета, запоминая некоторые параметры движения цели, что позволяет им заново захватывать цель. Однако тут явно не тот случай.
Кстати, Р-27Р/ЭР/Т/ЭТ способны аналогичным способом наводиться на цель-но с гораздо меньшей точностью
Thank you for addressing the tree height lmao half the trees in WT are redwoods
You see, this might be them testing the new mechanic for drilling rockets that can go straight through mountains (only available on a down tiered premium)
I was about to say, those trees are immense
can't believe they gave missiles x-ray vision too
so this is why they were able to track through terrain, THANK YOU GAIJIN
I noticed terrain doesnt matter when i was playing SIM on Vietnam map with mirage 3 and was tracking player through hills with radar once you have constant elevation off it is much easier to see that fly low and point radar to scan at mountains and there wont be any interference.
All the big "Air" RUclipsrs need to get together and reach out to Gaijin to fix the current Top Tier. While Fox-3s are a great addition, the general pre-existing state of Top Tier makes it borderline unplayable right now. Get out there, start a petition and we'll follow.
Yep. I have been on both ends of this in AIR SIM. Full on break TWS track, turn 180 degrees while masking behind a big ass mountain, come up the way I went in and Fox 3 jumps out like the boogey man and kills me. I've watched my own missiles do it too on targets they shouldn't and my TWS couldn't see.
The G-LOC bug that kills the ability to use countermeasures is far far far more annoying. Priority bug. Only means I've found to get rid of it once it appears is to belly land the jet and do damage. Basic refuel/rearm doesn't fix it for me. I have to land like a ESport pro.
So, do we know if this is a quirk of the AIM-120 or do all Fox-3's do this now? Is this something new, or did we just not know before "sensor view" was available? I know I am learning a lot of new things by watching sensor replays. Someone made a (semi) joke that the creator of sensor view will get fired because it is exposing flaws like this. If you haven't yet, watch a high-tier match in sensor view. It is very enlightening.
Yeah, they need to fix this and anti-air's radar being able to lock your through tree's in GB is also equally as annoying/frustrating.
Phoenix missiles have been doing that for years, its nothing new.
Honestly quite incredible
I knew it was wack that radar missiles would keep tracking me behind mountains haha.
“Nyet, game is fine”
Damn whoever programmed cheats in my CS matches worked for raytheon? Thats tough.
yo when did they add the baller crew qualification