What other vehicles I could play in the future? (for Historical BR's video) BTW Unintentional third Swedish TT video lol , we'll switch it up next time.
The problem people that want historical BR's ignore to think about is that many of the "tanks" that Gaijin have in this game weren't actually designed to fight tanks.
@@Merilol666 wait, is it a tank vs tank game? (AAs, planes, IFVs, suppressing machines, etc.) Nevermind, I'm to make a honourable mention - Pantsir S1 2012 vs ADATS 1989 vs OTOMATIC 1989 vs Israel without top tier AA.
@@Creamin_All_Offensive ok, I forgot about CAS. So SPAA are fitting. but IFV not really. they were made for support Ing infantry, not anti tank (except atgm carriers).
so what you're saying is that war thunder should add a mode with NPC infantry based around helping your NPCs capture objectives whilst stopping the enemy NPCs doing the same, featuring air battles and sea battles integrated into the same gamemode on a large expansive map
It's not a problem, these tanks simply do not belong in the game and they can be hidden from the techtrees. Gaijin ruined the game by making bad decisions over the years, they can un-ruin it
11:07 when you’re trying to unflip someone: ALWAYS grab the opposite side track of where you’re pulling from to make them actually flip. If you grap the close track to you it will just drag him…
@@DavidWalkerP47 it reallly just shows how damn stupid the average WT player is. Being a free to play game already makes it bad. But the continual dumbing down and simplification of the game like removing flanking on maps just makes it worse.
@@DavidWalkerP47i don't think this is about basic knowledge, i think it's more about winch mechanic in war thunder itself. they not make tutorial how to use it properly, so people would think using winch is always be on the middle of the tank tbh i know that you can place where you want to winch from war thunder wiki
It was also not a tank destroyer, but an assault gun to give infantry direct fire support. These kind of vehicles makes more sense in a game like Enlisted, if they ever expand beyond WW2.
@@eII_gato yeah sweden wasn't really ahead of the game since they were mostly neutral and didnt have enemies or wars, so they didn't have an incentive to develop cutting edge technology tanks lol. But they liked to experiment!
@@NafinafnafI would argue the biggest reason why is not due to being behind in tech as such. As Sweden has proven to be way more advanced in as example. Planes and Naval than Tanks. And reason why they didn't focus as much on tanks is cause. Who wants to invade a country that has over 200 thousand islands which could possibly have a soldier on it along with a mountain range covering the western border, thick woods and unbearable climate on the northern border and rough terrain overall. Tanks wouldn't be ideal for Sweden's climate/terrain. Which is why they focused on Navy and Airforce more than the Armored route.
Actually they *tried* to make a heavy in reponse to is-3 called the (emil) or the (kranvagn). They made the hull but sadly they discounted it. Gaijin could have added it but they're lazy so made yet another tiger.
@@alobaid608 Would be cool to have, idk if it fits gaijin's criteria to add to the game but they've added the r2y2s and that russian ship so it's possible.
the only atgms that ww2 tanks can see are the really early shitty ones that feel like an achivment to get a kill with... quit bitching becouse your out in the open tiger 2 got hit by something harder to use than a gun
@@obsidianjane4413no, just in general. The apds is pretty useless at 3.7, any APHE shell performs better. Similar phenomenon to Sherman firefly being better when facing tigers and Panthers at 6.0 because then the 17 pdr is able to pen them easily when other guns struggle to do so. Meanwhile US 75 is better at taking out a panzer IV than the 17 pdr is
@@conehed1138No APDS shell is worth it. Your comparison to the 17pdr and US 75 is pretty idiotic aswell since you HAVE to hit weakspots to pen the Jadgpanzer, any facing Panthers with the 17pdr is death by a Thousand Bullets.
The sav needs to be moved to 4.3 where it can fight equally strong thank like pz4h and t-34-57 fighting older tank is like being the biggest fish in the pond and brag to everyone about it
@albertetzel5925 I mean, if it actually fought ww2 era stuff there, that would be dope. I've done it before and it can get the job done as an ambusher and recon vehicle
They did events like that sometimes I forgot if World Wars are like that, IDK i usually miss them and World War modes are shockingly peaceful for it's name Super heavy or late war tanks would be limited and cost a boatload of SP and common tanks also free. God help me if i remember if losing that would also hurt later in the campaign since i forgor if lost units in the division carried over Spawncamping also got fixed in that mode trough moving spawns and lines of AI (dangerous as hell) AT guns would be in their spawn
@@commisaryarreck3974 this is the answer. Why don't they make one anymore, it's been years isn't it? Moving spawns and points sounds like a great idea for a dynamic gameplay
You should also mention the historical lifetime of these tanks. The IS-3 might’ve been made just after WWII, but many fought in the Yom Kippur war. Some IS-2s served as stationary artillery pieces and as mobile makeshift pillboxes until after the Soviet Union collapsed. Type 59s and 69s still see some service today by China, although many are only in reserve.
Similarly, lots of tanks that belong to x year, didn't actually really see service during that time. Take something like M60. It was technically adopted in 1959 but, realistically, any battles taking place in 1959 with American armor would see 98% M48s being deployed. It takes time for production to ramp up and for most units in an army to actually have the new tank to use in combat. So while the M60 was technically a tank from 1955, it wouldn't be the most common tank in service for quite some time until enough are produced to replace all M48s in service. In effect, the M60 would be a later vehicle than 1955, but proposed historic BRs wouldn't take this into account whatsoever. It's also during this ramp-up in production after adoption that many issues are uncovered in a design and revisions must be made as the first production units are put into use and put in the hands of the crews themselves. This happened with M48, prompting rapid adoption of M48A1, and a similar thing happens with most tanks entering service en masse.
I don't have any recommendations aside from maybe doing the same video but with Italian vehicles, but I would definitely LOVE to see more of this! It's a great concept for a video series!
The little ASU would be cool for historical accurate battles. And a bit of correction to the IS3 and a bit of fun Tank facts: The first IS3 was produced in May 1945. The first prototyps of the IS3, the Object 703 (Not the Wot BS), were finished at the End of 1944 and had an earlier version of the 122mm D25 and hat Flat frontal armor, with an simular angel to the later T44s, that was a bit thicker, but probely worse without the angel the production version has. And about the IS4, while it started development in 1943, the first real IS4 was produced in 1947. Durring development there were 6 prototypes, the Object 701, wich had is first test in late spring 1945. What i find funny, beccause if somthing would had gone wrong with Factory No.100 durring ww2, the IS4 might had been finished before the IS3.
@@XSpamDragonXSo..? Now this shows it should fight against Shermans, regular M26 Pershings, and M24 Chaffees instead (things US army had in 1947). How's it better for you?
@@Философ M24 would be fine at 4.3 right now, and entered service in '44, historical matchmaking would place it against Panther, Tiger, T-34-85, and IS-2, all tanks it can kill while flanking. It's a light tank, it should be scouting more than killing anyways. M26 Pershing is '45 and already sits at same BR as Tiger II P, so I don't really see a problem with Tigers and Panthers having to encounter them. M4A3E8 is already 5.7. You need to think about when they were introduced, not just cherry pick dates and conflicts with obviously obsolete vehicles. This is the ENTIRE problem with Sweden at low tier. They are mediocre 30s tanks that were given APDS a few years after WW2 to extend their service lives into the 60s. Why do they get an APDS round that wasn't issued until half the Swedish rank 1 tanks were out of service against vehicles from before the war started? Why don't any of the British or French cannons that got APDS post-war have them available at rank 1?
Thank you. Part of the fun is learning how to fight when outmatched. Problem is non-historic matchups and BRs ruins all immersion, so then you just default to holding w with a meta tank
@@conehed1138anachronism isn’t a problem in warthunder, or isn’t as big of a deal as people make it. Early heat slingers and early atgms were deliberately built with ending the kind of gameplay you people want. They were just built late because the only event happening at the time was the Korean War where t-34-85s and Pershing’s were literally fighting m48’s and t-54’s. the people who want historical matchmaking just lack the ability to adapt at all.
@@theliteralworst9416 I am plenty capable of adapting, after all, I play war thunder as it is currently, with ahistorical matchups and BRs. However it hurts my enjoyment of the game because it is immersion breaking to face tanks from mid to late 1950s in WWII era tanks. Of course HEAT, ATGM, and APDS equipped vehicles ended the era of the heavy tank, I am not disputing that. But 76 Jumbo, Super Pershing, IS 2, King Tiger etc. did not face those in combat. So I don't want to face those in game. Same logic applies to air RB. Korean war jets should not be facing WWII props.
Another controversial opinion: Not every vehicle should be in the game. Authencity and balance becomes a lot easier if you don’t have to fit every random prototype and vehicle not meant for armoured combat.
People say they want historical matchmaking until you have to go fight Panthers in a Locust. Also, I never get bored of the music slow-down when things are looking rough. It's a unique and fun way to express the situation and you do it so well.
I mean, the Locust isn't a brawler. It's a scout and inf support. You're comparing apples to oranges there. Though, I've knocked plenty of late war/cold war tanks with it by flank rushes and eaten their engines so it's about how you use it really
I was flanking around B actually lol I knew it was a risky route, and I got punished for it... This map doesn't have good flanking routes for light tanks, so you have to do it between the objects
@kittehgo but if the map doesn't have flanking routes? you have to manoeuvre through the middle. Sometimes when you see an opening you have to hold W and push, pray for the best. You're talking like I never flank.
People don't demand historic matchmaking because they care about authenticity, it's because they want to roleplay as Rommel and be impervious in late WWII heavy tanks and get 20 kills and zero deaths.
Exactly. Or if they were a Russian main, they want to roleplay as Kolobanov using KV-1 vs early Panzers (Panzer II, Panzer 38(t), Panzer IV C) ruclips.net/video/UELuC69pszE/видео.htmlsi=LwifiXN_Dsn6SFW6
That's not true, I play every nation and I want historical matchmaking. I like the historical lineups they have in simulator battles but the commander view makes me nauseous. Facing a Tiger in a Cromwell or 75 Sherman is a fun challenge. It's not as one sided as you think
@@TitanTankerGaming try facing tiger IIH with many 5.7 vehicles? There are many unbalanced matchups already in the game. Panzer IVc would have no problem with normal KV1. Panzer II would have to track and barrel and run. Pz 38t would be screwed. Maybe side shots could pen. But that's okay. There are other ways to balance things, like increasing spawn points of heavies
i love how they put the VEAK 40 at 7.7 just because they removed the proximity fuze but don't realize that it is still very good (fastest firing 40mm + range and radar), you could even say better than the gepard. Should be 8.0 atleast same with the twin 37mm russian radar one
Just to get hard-countered by IS-3s and T32s. Half the shit Tiger 2 players bitch about literally existed in the same time frame as it. Also Tiger 2 is fantastic and failing to kill HEAT slingers in one is a pure skill issue.
@@bluntcabbage6042 the problem is not killing the heat slinger you low brain... the real problem is that they can kill you from almost any range... the only good thing about heavy tanks is the armor , the HEAT rounds dont even care about that , so turning heavy tanks slow big targets with no armor.
Hey Dollar! I just want to say: THANK YOU! your videos are awesome! I love everything about them. Content, cutting, they are even funny etc... I am watching you several years now. Please, keep making them. All love from Slovakia!
"Dammit, I thought he was busy with my teammate" 16:46 What do you mean by that bro? 🤨🤨 "Jesus Christ thats Jason Bourne" 18:07 Yeah but this one was born the wrong way
Anything around 300m to 1.5km is 90% of the time dead. When it had He-Vt it was even better at 8.7 and could be used in 10.0 Edit: it has a very high HE filler with good speed, that paired with radar. Chefs kiss
I unironically hate war thunder these days. I was a guy who had like every module on every tank. Now a retired player, I always come back to see dollarplays make dumb funny videos of war thunder. Stay class my 80s 90s cassette futurism bro.
I remember when War Thunder WAS setup historically, where you'd mostly only see tanks that saw each other in actual combat. They split them up by production year. I miss those days. War Thunder peaked before BR was a thing. Been nothing but a downhill disaster since.
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 How in gods name is half the match ups fair in its current state? love taking my WWII jet out, that has no flares, no rockets, no missiles, and going up against tomcats. Stop pretending like the game is remotely balanced with BR. It's not. It would be more balanced if they went back to the old system than the crap we have now. ALso Tiger H1 would not see stuart in the old system. So your argument is stupid from the get go.
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 u dont understand shit, it wouldnt even see a stuart in old system, by example u could take a F4U in Air RB and finish into a pacific war map against japanese only
People that advocate for historical matchmaking or WW2 hardcap should have their wish granted, but the catch is they can only play Italy, Japan, France and Sweden
Kid I play with Mains USA (can't use planes however as he's only at a 2.7 and has the Stuka problem) and he wants historical matchmaking. I have to remind him that his Pershing/Super Pershing faces IS-4's and other scary tanks. He said he'd be able to take em on so we ran a custom....it didn't go well for him
@@TitanTankerGamingi mean depending on the situation because m-51 could pretty nicely pen those tanks.(ik because I took it to that br before because I wanted to take more tanks) it didn't go to bad.
@@just_a_username8979Super Pershing literally already faces that bullcrap, so what are you even talking about? Super Pershing was a battlefield modification of a WW2 production Pershing, IS-4 didn't roll off the line until after the war ended. Keep coping and seething with your broken cancer matchmaking I guess.
Well nether one both never saw any Service in the Swedish army and they also were not designed against tanks but anything thrown out of a plane Finland was basically the first line defense
Every wehraboo wants historical matchmaking until they're in a Panzer 4J facing M26s and hordes of Shermans, without any air support because the Luftwaffe was basically nonexistent in 1944
Historic matchmaking would be so cool, but Sweden just wouldn't work till like the 60s and Germany wouldn't exist between '45 and mid 50s. You could fix Germany with introducing the E-tanks to the tech tree and reintroducing the likes of Panther II and 10.5cm Tiger II but that would all be fantasy. And obviously tanks like the M22 would be somewhat useless. I am very much in favour of splitting WW2 tanks from Cold War tanks tho. I don't think Shermans or Tigers should face an IS6 for example. This could be achieved by a smaller a BR spawn in matchmaking for low- to mid-tier tho.
We think it would not work bc the ground modes we have are basically team death match with some capture points spread on the map. So we think tank on tank combat only. If historical matches are to be made, new maps, modes and mechanics should be created. Spawning with heavy armor and high pen should be based on strategy not just better tank stonks.
So? Not all factions need to be great, if their historical vehicles were trash compared to contemporaries, they should also be trash in the game. You don’t need to stick with the same faction at every BR, it’s okay that they peak at different points like they did historically.
@@fridrekr7510 no, you need balanced trees because people just wouldn't play the shit tanks then. Look at 10.0 Russia/USSR, they have an amazing lineup and you get matches with Russia/USSR on both sides quite regularly and that's even with solid tanks in other nations. Basically matchmaking wouldn't work because nobody would want to face the nation with that one amazing lineup or play the nation that has a very shitty lineup. War Thunder is still just a game and not a simulation, most scenarios you get in WT are unrealistic already so many tanks can't even be used in their expected roles.
Another great video. I love the sniffing sound with the T95E1, made my day. Next time you could use the M41D at 11.7, it is still in service in Taiwan😂
Well, it's not our fault that Sweden decided to build late 30s tanks in the 1950s Historically match making could be done if they put effort into it. Something that they wont
could be done yeah, but wouldnt be viable, T80B would be sent to what is current 7.7 - 8.0 because it was introduced into service before Leopard 2 or Abrams (First ever abrams, the one with 105mm) so it would fight M60s and Leo 1s... you wouldnt want that, would be very quickly unbalanced
@@YeEpIkAiYeI Double standard then. You want to feel oh so powerful in German techtree, not knowing you'll meet T95, T30, Tortoise, Centurions and IS6s and IS3s.
@@endjfcar, you said I want German tanks to be powerful? I really don't care, I moved past that point I just don't want WW2 stuff mixed with Cold War stuff
That IS-2 kill was actually crazy. It has 94mm of armor on the turret at minimum and the round like 95mm pen at 10m. Cupola shot would probably have been the safest bet.
legendary video as always youre editing dollar is so much different from other people and we love it you always make us laugh keep up the good work these videos are legendary
Thats why battles needs to be also historical accurate... historical accurate BR cannot work without this. instead of crying like " gnah gnah this isn't balanced"
Absolutely not. It affects far more than just some random Swedish shitters and I guarantee you'd fucking hate it after a few weeks of trying to grind a tree with """Historic"""" BRs.
T34-85 was still used by some countries up until as recently as 2023. Maybe try using at top tier? Or you could take the 75 sherman and Stuart tanks at 5.7-6.7 to fight tigers and panther's maybe.
bro the SAV fighting a maus could go one of 2 ways, either the sav whiffs every shot and the maus is unphased, or the sav gets a lucky shot that pens the maus and then it just fucking explodes so comidicly
Love this video AND the PVKV 4! Thought i would hate that tank but it turned out to be thw most fun for me so far in the Swedish TT. Would love to see FIAT 6614 fighting it's peers.
In reality, the SAV would've actually been 7.7, its gun wasn't automatic in the sense of an autoloader, it was actually fully automatic, it was so expensive the swedes canned immediately. 6 rounds of 120mm in a second would hurt just about anything on the surface of the Earth.
What other vehicles I could play in the future? (for Historical BR's video)
BTW Unintentional third Swedish TT video lol , we'll switch it up next time.
PBV 301 for the lolz
Nashorn
The Swiss xD : (
Try Concept 3 at its actual historical BR. Good luck!
Historical BRs videos are basically uptiering vehicles unnecessarily. Stop doing this! (Please) ❤😃😉
Imagine a pvkv IV tryna figure out how to hurt a maus
Trying hard enough it will eventually get a trap shot
@@bfchristianbf driver turns orange
PVKV uses trap card: hurt feelings
Mission impossible
@@DOLLARplays U didnt seen "girls und panzer" mause fight? This kind of tank is able destroy it, but for sure not in normal, 1 vs 1 fight
The problem people that want historical BR's ignore to think about is that many of the "tanks" that Gaijin have in this game weren't actually designed to fight tanks.
and there's is a problem, why snail added that machine to tank vs tank game?
@@Merilol666 wait, is it a tank vs tank game? (AAs, planes, IFVs, suppressing machines, etc.)
Nevermind, I'm to make a honourable mention - Pantsir S1 2012 vs ADATS 1989 vs OTOMATIC 1989 vs Israel without top tier AA.
@@Creamin_All_Offensive ok, I forgot about CAS. So SPAA are fitting. but IFV not really. they were made for support Ing infantry, not anti tank (except atgm carriers).
so what you're saying is that war thunder should add a mode with NPC infantry based around helping your NPCs capture objectives whilst stopping the enemy NPCs doing the same, featuring air battles and sea battles integrated into the same gamemode on a large expansive map
It's not a problem, these tanks simply do not belong in the game and they can be hidden from the techtrees. Gaijin ruined the game by making bad decisions over the years, they can un-ruin it
Needs to be a series
Yes, the arl 44 in a 7.3 match or amx 30 brenus 11.0 😂
@medos9854 ok but some more modest examples would be really cool
I agree
If only series worked in reverse too, KV-1 at 2.0 would be big chungus incarnate.
@@medos9854
11:07 when you’re trying to unflip someone:
ALWAYS grab the opposite side track of where you’re pulling from to make them actually flip. If you grap the close track to you it will just drag him…
Well, this is obviously true.
@@TheFeldmarschall it is obvious yet so many fail to grasp simple phisycs
Unflipping?
I just ram them at full speed
Usually works
@@DavidWalkerP47 it reallly just shows how damn stupid the average WT player is. Being a free to play game already makes it bad. But the continual dumbing down and simplification of the game like removing flanking on maps just makes it worse.
@@DavidWalkerP47i don't think this is about basic knowledge, i think it's more about winch mechanic in war thunder itself.
they not make tutorial how to use it properly, so people would think using winch is always be on the middle of the tank
tbh i know that you can place where you want to winch from war thunder wiki
the IKV 72 was made in 1950, a 1.7 tank
It was also not a tank destroyer, but an assault gun to give infantry direct fire support. These kind of vehicles makes more sense in a game like Enlisted, if they ever expand beyond WW2.
sweden be making ww2 type tanks way after ww2
@@eII_gato yeah sweden wasn't really ahead of the game since they were mostly neutral and didnt have enemies or wars, so they didn't have an incentive to develop cutting edge technology tanks lol. But they liked to experiment!
@@NafinafnafI would argue the biggest reason why is not due to being behind in tech as such. As Sweden has proven to be way more advanced in as example. Planes and Naval than Tanks. And reason why they didn't focus as much on tanks is cause. Who wants to invade a country that has over 200 thousand islands which could possibly have a soldier on it along with a mountain range covering the western border, thick woods and unbearable climate on the northern border and rough terrain overall. Tanks wouldn't be ideal for Sweden's climate/terrain. Which is why they focused on Navy and Airforce more than the Armored route.
The early strv 103 was produced in 1950s but was officially introduced in 1960s
Cant wait for DOLLAR’s churchill AVRE video
ah yes the meele tank
That's gonna be something... lol Not sure how I'll do with it
Tried it in training, the markers go by tens. I laughed for a solid few minutes with how heavy that Churchill
@@DOLLARplays why not change the pace and just try to make a silly melee video out of it? Its how I intend to play it, RAMMING SPEED!!!
@@DOLLARplaysYou can make any tank playable but the churchill AVRE, I dont know if its even possible to get more then 3 kills😂
14:27 the sniffing im dead 🤣
Just perfection! 👌
Other countries response to Russian IS tanks:
Big, heavy, powerfully armed tanks
Sweden:
Holds Pvkv IV gently.
Actually they *tried* to make a heavy in reponse to is-3 called the (emil) or the (kranvagn). They made the hull but sadly they discounted it. Gaijin could have added it but they're lazy so made yet another tiger.
@@alobaid608 Would be cool to have, idk if it fits gaijin's criteria to add to the game but they've added the r2y2s and that russian ship so it's possible.
@@LazyBoyA1 R2Y2s are on the "To Remove" List though
@@alobaid608bold of you to assume that they made a new model and didn't just repaint what they already had
ахахахах, перевод на русский названия танка IS=ИГ(Исламское Государство=Islamic State)
ASU-57 in Historicaly B.R. ( 1960 Aprox 7.7-8.0 )
1950-1960* i think 7.3-7.7
@@playwargames950 1951-1969* is a Solid 8.0 in my Opinion we Don't Have the Model of the Canon 0ff 107mm whit HEATFS 🥲
8.3
@@Adam_warthundergrinder we have te late version with NVD enter in service in 1966 yeah 8.3
The Israeli ground forces used the M-51 in the first Lebanon war. In 1982. Solid 8.7-9.3 tank
14:27 That sniffling edit had me chuckling. 😂
Would love to see more of this historically accurate BR gameplay.
Wonderful work, DOLLAR.
14:32 snuffleuffaggus had me rolling. 😂😂😂
oh god M3RKMUSIC XDD
I think a better idea than historical matchmaking is technological matchmaking. For example no WW2 vehicles should ever see ATGMs or Helicopters
That IS historical matchmaking.
@@obsidianjane4413 not really
xD
the only atgms that ww2 tanks can see are the really early shitty ones that feel like an achivment to get a kill with... quit bitching becouse your out in the open tiger 2 got hit by something harder to use than a gun
@@KonstantyKiebasinski Okay tell me how many ATGMs and attack helicopters there were in 1945.
The sniffing absolutly caught me off guard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 14:26
funny how this tank is better at this BR than its own BR
...In the hands of an experienced player.
@@obsidianjane4413no, just in general. The apds is pretty useless at 3.7, any APHE shell performs better. Similar phenomenon to Sherman firefly being better when facing tigers and Panthers at 6.0 because then the 17 pdr is able to pen them easily when other guns struggle to do so. Meanwhile US 75 is better at taking out a panzer IV than the 17 pdr is
@@conehed1138No APDS shell is worth it.
Your comparison to the 17pdr and US 75 is pretty idiotic aswell since you HAVE to hit weakspots to pen the Jadgpanzer, any facing Panthers with the 17pdr is death by a Thousand Bullets.
Ive spaded this thing at its own br and thats not true, it can cause some serious dmg if you play it well
Ah, the SAV the bane of 3.7, the creature that empties its autoloaded canon, your team-count and leaves without elaborating
The sav needs to be moved to 4.3 where it can fight equally strong thank like pz4h and t-34-57 fighting older tank is like being the biggest fish in the pond and brag to everyone about it
@@potassiumcyanide3857same, hate facing that thing.
Ive learned that WT players only want histrorical battles when its in there favour
I have a feeling a lot of German players would be very upset if the 50mm Puma was moved to 6.7 considering its an early 1945 prototype.
@@albertetzel5925i‘m pretty sure the 5cm Version started around mid-end 43
@albertetzel5925 I mean, if it actually fought ww2 era stuff there, that would be dope. I've done it before and it can get the job done as an ambusher and recon vehicle
@@albertetzel5925 people use pumas at 6.7+ anyway
The fucking puma was used in 1944 and onwards. Together with it's many variants @@albertetzel5925
M22 vs Maus😂😂😂
Tiger IIs trying to kill an IS-7
@@uwot7289Were did a IS7 face a Tiger 2 ? This tank was never build dude , not even an IS3 faced a Tiger 2 .
@@5co756They built and tested the is7 but it was rejected. What I'm trying to say is that the is7 existed and was a fully working tank.
@@ethanmoua49 Yeah but this was several years after the end of WW2, and obviously there were no German tank innovations in the interim.
@@Zorro9129first prototypes entered testing in 1946
I wish they made like historical historical battles for sim. Like 1944 Germany vs 1944 Russian etc. with tanks used in service.
1944 Germany would win any day unless if they included a realistic spawn limit for Germany
Thay did it like 10 years ago, didnt end well...few op german tanks vs lot of russians
They did events like that sometimes
I forgot if World Wars are like that, IDK i usually miss them and World War modes are shockingly peaceful for it's name
Super heavy or late war tanks would be limited and cost a boatload of SP and common tanks also free. God help me if i remember if losing that would also hurt later in the campaign since i forgor if lost units in the division carried over
Spawncamping also got fixed in that mode trough moving spawns and lines of AI (dangerous as hell) AT guns would be in their spawn
@@commisaryarreck3974 this is the answer. Why don't they make one anymore, it's been years isn't it? Moving spawns and points sounds like a great idea for a dynamic gameplay
Ground Sim would be fun if 60s SPAA didn't get included for no good reason
14:26 the big sniff got me! Top tier videos/editing and humor.
I feel like a mode where it was all based on time period but everyone was assigned to nations/vehicles at random would be cool.
You should also mention the historical lifetime of these tanks. The IS-3 might’ve been made just after WWII, but many fought in the Yom Kippur war. Some IS-2s served as stationary artillery pieces and as mobile makeshift pillboxes until after the Soviet Union collapsed. Type 59s and 69s still see some service today by China, although many are only in reserve.
Similarly, lots of tanks that belong to x year, didn't actually really see service during that time.
Take something like M60. It was technically adopted in 1959 but, realistically, any battles taking place in 1959 with American armor would see 98% M48s being deployed. It takes time for production to ramp up and for most units in an army to actually have the new tank to use in combat. So while the M60 was technically a tank from 1955, it wouldn't be the most common tank in service for quite some time until enough are produced to replace all M48s in service. In effect, the M60 would be a later vehicle than 1955, but proposed historic BRs wouldn't take this into account whatsoever.
It's also during this ramp-up in production after adoption that many issues are uncovered in a design and revisions must be made as the first production units are put into use and put in the hands of the crews themselves. This happened with M48, prompting rapid adoption of M48A1, and a similar thing happens with most tanks entering service en masse.
The Yugoslav Wars also saw a M36 Jackson modified with a new engine fighting T-54s.
Paraguay has M8 Greyhounds in service still as well.
M60 was standardized and put into production in 1959, not 1955.
@@Postoronniy Edited to fix, thanks, I wrote that comment with sleep deprivation on hand
The syrian war involved the use of ex cuban t 34's as arty I think
13:45 what a giggle. That was so cute :D
Instead of showing how dumb historical brs would be he just shows us how dumb the SAVs br is.
I need to do 3.7 video sometime soonish
I often take the SAV to 6.7 and do just as well with it. Absolutely busted
@@sla5303 I do the same thing with the ontos.
I don't know why but i laughed so loud at 14:28
I always get so fried and watch your videos and I swear the voices you play like reverberate in my head. Perfect thing to watch
For the anti air, you could have used pbv 301 which was used from 1962 and is at br 2.3
I don't have any recommendations aside from maybe doing the same video but with Italian vehicles, but I would definitely LOVE to see more of this! It's a great concept for a video series!
Another fantastic production. The editing quality and your sense of humor never fails to deliver!
The little ASU would be cool for historical accurate battles.
And a bit of correction to the IS3 and a bit of fun Tank facts:
The first IS3 was produced in May 1945. The first prototyps of the IS3, the Object 703 (Not the Wot BS), were finished at the End of 1944 and had an earlier version of the 122mm D25 and hat Flat frontal armor, with an simular angel to the later T44s, that was a bit thicker, but probely worse without the angel the production version has. And about the IS4, while it started development in 1943, the first real IS4 was produced in 1947. Durring development there were 6 prototypes, the Object 701, wich had is first test in late spring 1945. What i find funny, beccause if somthing would had gone wrong with Factory No.100 durring ww2, the IS4 might had been finished before the IS3.
Meanwhile soviet mains claiming historical matchmaking would be Super Pershing vs IS-4...
So tired of this god awful player base.
@@XSpamDragonXsuper pershing appeared in 1945 so what's the big deal?
@@XSpamDragonXSo..? Now this shows it should fight against Shermans, regular M26 Pershings, and M24 Chaffees instead (things US army had in 1947). How's it better for you?
@@Философ M24 would be fine at 4.3 right now, and entered service in '44, historical matchmaking would place it against Panther, Tiger, T-34-85, and IS-2, all tanks it can kill while flanking. It's a light tank, it should be scouting more than killing anyways. M26 Pershing is '45 and already sits at same BR as Tiger II P, so I don't really see a problem with Tigers and Panthers having to encounter them. M4A3E8 is already 5.7. You need to think about when they were introduced, not just cherry pick dates and conflicts with obviously obsolete vehicles.
This is the ENTIRE problem with Sweden at low tier. They are mediocre 30s tanks that were given APDS a few years after WW2 to extend their service lives into the 60s. Why do they get an APDS round that wasn't issued until half the Swedish rank 1 tanks were out of service against vehicles from before the war started? Why don't any of the British or French cannons that got APDS post-war have them available at rank 1?
Controversial opinion: Not every vehicle needs to be good.
Thank you. Part of the fun is learning how to fight when outmatched. Problem is non-historic matchups and BRs ruins all immersion, so then you just default to holding w with a meta tank
@@conehed1138Youre always welcome to overtier any shitboxes youd like
@@conehed1138anachronism isn’t a problem in warthunder, or isn’t as big of a deal as people make it. Early heat slingers and early atgms were deliberately built with ending the kind of gameplay you people want. They were just built late because the only event happening at the time was the Korean War where t-34-85s and Pershing’s were literally fighting m48’s and t-54’s. the people who want historical matchmaking just lack the ability to adapt at all.
@@theliteralworst9416 I am plenty capable of adapting, after all, I play war thunder as it is currently, with ahistorical matchups and BRs. However it hurts my enjoyment of the game because it is immersion breaking to face tanks from mid to late 1950s in WWII era tanks. Of course HEAT, ATGM, and APDS equipped vehicles ended the era of the heavy tank, I am not disputing that. But 76 Jumbo, Super Pershing, IS 2, King Tiger etc. did not face those in combat. So I don't want to face those in game. Same logic applies to air RB. Korean war jets should not be facing WWII props.
Another controversial opinion: Not every vehicle should be in the game. Authencity and balance becomes a lot easier if you don’t have to fit every random prototype and vehicle not meant for armoured combat.
At 14:27 thats a great edit. Gave me a good chuckle. This concept would definitely make a great series
People say they want historical matchmaking until you have to go fight Panthers in a Locust. Also, I never get bored of the music slow-down when things are looking rough. It's a unique and fun way to express the situation and you do it so well.
I mean, the Locust isn't a brawler. It's a scout and inf support. You're comparing apples to oranges there. Though, I've knocked plenty of late war/cold war tanks with it by flank rushes and eaten their engines so it's about how you use it really
17:00 "wait, what?" exactly my thoughts half the time i play this game ^^
14:29 the sniffing 😂😂 Loved the video DOLLAR! Keep up the good work man❤
Omg the sniffing part caught me off guard lmao
"ok, now we have ultimate flanking machine"
drives right down the middle of the map.
Never change Dollar, never change.
He is just playing like the average WT player plays, were flanking is for nerds and the W key is the only button to hold down.
I was flanking around B actually lol I knew it was a risky route, and I got punished for it... This map doesn't have good flanking routes for light tanks, so you have to do it between the objects
@kittehgo but if the map doesn't have flanking routes? you have to manoeuvre through the middle. Sometimes when you see an opening you have to hold W and push, pray for the best.
You're talking like I never flank.
@DOLLARplays nah man, you're good, I knew what you meant. I just thought it was funny. Gaijin's map design leaves A LOT to be desired.
14:29 the sniffing!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
People don't demand historic matchmaking because they care about authenticity, it's because they want to roleplay as Rommel and be impervious in late WWII heavy tanks and get 20 kills and zero deaths.
Exactly.
Or if they were a Russian main, they want to roleplay as Kolobanov using KV-1 vs early Panzers (Panzer II, Panzer 38(t), Panzer IV C)
ruclips.net/video/UELuC69pszE/видео.htmlsi=LwifiXN_Dsn6SFW6
That's not true, I play every nation and I want historical matchmaking. I like the historical lineups they have in simulator battles but the commander view makes me nauseous. Facing a Tiger in a Cromwell or 75 Sherman is a fun challenge. It's not as one sided as you think
@@conehed1138 try facing KV-1 with Panzer II, Panzer 38(t) or Panzer IV C next and see if it's a fun challenge lmao
@@TitanTankerGaming try facing tiger IIH with many 5.7 vehicles? There are many unbalanced matchups already in the game. Panzer IVc would have no problem with normal KV1. Panzer II would have to track and barrel and run. Pz 38t would be screwed. Maybe side shots could pen. But that's okay. There are other ways to balance things, like increasing spawn points of heavies
That'd apply if Americans, Soviets and British didn't also get really strong late WWII heavy tanks.
Quite close to 500k subs! Congrats Dollar😍😍
Thanks, almost there 😉
Was this the first time DOLLAR giggled/laughed in a video? 13:43
i love how they put the VEAK 40 at 7.7 just because they removed the proximity fuze but don't realize that it is still very good (fastest firing 40mm + range and radar), you could even say better than the gepard.
Should be 8.0 atleast same with the twin 37mm russian radar one
historically acurrate tiger 2 would be a dream for me- no fucking foxes,jets,heat slingers and more
Yes, playing against IS-3, IS-4, IS-6, IS-7 is definitely a tiger's dream
Just to get hard-countered by IS-3s and T32s.
Half the shit Tiger 2 players bitch about literally existed in the same time frame as it.
Also Tiger 2 is fantastic and failing to kill HEAT slingers in one is a pure skill issue.
@@bluntcabbage6042 the problem is not killing the heat slinger you low brain... the real problem is that they can kill you from almost any range... the only good thing about heavy tanks is the armor , the HEAT rounds dont even care about that , so turning heavy tanks slow big targets with no armor.
Hey Dollar! I just want to say: THANK YOU! your videos are awesome! I love everything about them. Content, cutting, they are even funny etc... I am watching you several years now. Please, keep making them. All love from Slovakia!
Seeing the Bkan at 7.0 has always been one of my most hated tanks to face against because oh how bull it is
i find to be meh tank, both playing it and faceing it
It only has 11 shells and it's annoyingly slow with almost no depression or traverse. Shoot a track or barrel and it's likely not gonna hurt you.
Thank you for making a demonstration video for why gaijin uses vehicle performance for balancing and not the historical record.
7:57 I mean kill assist is a kill assist…
Like 10 bucks is 10 bucks…
0:12 poor swedish little guy... :c
Now I wasn’t expecting this😂
Never seen anyone do a video about this so this is gonna be FUN to watch.
When Snow Runner btw?
Not sure yet, but I want to make one before the next update 😉
👌
"Dammit, I thought he was busy with my teammate" 16:46
What do you mean by that bro? 🤨🤨
"Jesus Christ thats Jason Bourne" 18:07
Yeah but this one was born the wrong way
In fact, this battle between Swedish and American tanks actually took place in the Dominican Republic. And these tanks were gutted.
Please tell me more about it, I'm interested.
@@birdmann9529 It was in the sixties when the Americans invaded the island to overthrow the government that the Americans thought were left-wing.
this is some next level editing! keep it up mate, love the vid
8:40 Meanwhile, I found that VEAK 40 is the ultimate pest killer
Anything around 300m to 1.5km is 90% of the time dead. When it had He-Vt it was even better at 8.7 and could be used in 10.0
Edit: it has a very high HE filler with good speed, that paired with radar. Chefs kiss
@@ducktes They removed it????? And they left it on the SGT york???? WHHYYYY
@@cullenkelley4828 removed for realism purposes
I unironically hate war thunder these days. I was a guy who had like every module on every tank. Now a retired player, I always come back to see dollarplays make dumb funny videos of war thunder. Stay class my 80s 90s cassette futurism bro.
I remember when War Thunder WAS setup historically, where you'd mostly only see tanks that saw each other in actual combat. They split them up by production year.
I miss those days. War Thunder peaked before BR was a thing. Been nothing but a downhill disaster since.
no thats incredibly dumb, each year there was a new power house, br are much better
how in gods name is a tiger h1 vs a stuat 3 fair ?
@@datcheesecakeboi6745
How in gods name is half the match ups fair in its current state?
love taking my WWII jet out, that has no flares, no rockets, no missiles, and going up against tomcats.
Stop pretending like the game is remotely balanced with BR. It's not.
It would be more balanced if they went back to the old system than the crap we have now.
ALso Tiger H1 would not see stuart in the old system. So your argument is stupid from the get go.
@@Cramblit For real lol right now it's insanity
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 u dont understand shit, it wouldnt even see a stuart in old system, by example u could take a F4U in Air RB and finish into a pacific war map against japanese only
We can see the snowrunner experience when unflipping this Pz IV x) Great quality as always 😎
Snowrunner gamers knows how to unflip things 🫡
The BTR - 80 A is an 90s upgrade of BTR. An it now sits at 7.3. So it could go to 10.0 or something
Not the same btr as in game the ones from the mid8-s have stabilizers and the btr from the 90s have thermals
I'm so happy to hear good old synthwave music in your intros again. You're the best! Greetings from Ukraine :D
People that advocate for historical matchmaking or WW2 hardcap should have their wish granted, but the catch is they can only play Italy, Japan, France and Sweden
Kid I play with Mains USA (can't use planes however as he's only at a 2.7 and has the Stuka problem) and he wants historical matchmaking. I have to remind him that his Pershing/Super Pershing faces IS-4's and other scary tanks. He said he'd be able to take em on so we ran a custom....it didn't go well for him
@@just_a_username8979 LMAO you cooked him 😂 should've upload it on RUclips cause I want to see
Also Israel, using only M-51 against T-54s, T-55s, and T-62s is going to be craaazzyyy 💀💀💀
@@TitanTankerGamingi mean depending on the situation because m-51 could pretty nicely pen those tanks.(ik because I took it to that br before because I wanted to take more tanks) it didn't go to bad.
@@just_a_username8979Super Pershing literally already faces that bullcrap, so what are you even talking about? Super Pershing was a battlefield modification of a WW2 production Pershing, IS-4 didn't roll off the line until after the war ended. Keep coping and seething with your broken cancer matchmaking I guess.
9:04, as a CAS enjoyer and a regular RB pilot, I always enjoy seeing Dollar get revenge against the flyboys because i KNOW it’s annoying lol.
Also have to take into account the number of those tanks that actually made it into the battlefield
Well nether one both never saw any Service in the Swedish army and they also were not designed against tanks but anything thrown out of a plane Finland was basically the first line defense
@@kluftnrav9771I think no Swedish vehicle has ever has seen any combat. I could be wrong, maybe un missions or volunteer pilots but tanks nada
Every wehraboo wants historical matchmaking until they're in a Panzer 4J facing M26s and hordes of Shermans, without any air support because the Luftwaffe was basically nonexistent in 1944
yes please, I would really like to see a vid with the Stormarty wagon at 3.7 !
I bet you can get 15 kills - or more?!
14:36 Forrest Gump?
Fun fact: the highest BR swedish vehicle in WT that was built during WW2 is the strv m/42 at 2.7
pbv 301 at 8.0
Lol
My view is historical brs with vehicles that are either too strong or borderline unkillable moving up in br
Historic matchmaking would be so cool, but Sweden just wouldn't work till like the 60s and Germany wouldn't exist between '45 and mid 50s. You could fix Germany with introducing the E-tanks to the tech tree and reintroducing the likes of Panther II and 10.5cm Tiger II but that would all be fantasy.
And obviously tanks like the M22 would be somewhat useless.
I am very much in favour of splitting WW2 tanks from Cold War tanks tho. I don't think Shermans or Tigers should face an IS6 for example. This could be achieved by a smaller a BR spawn in matchmaking for low- to mid-tier tho.
Shermans and Tigers dont face any IS-6 except the Tiger II's which can make easy work of it
We think it would not work bc the ground modes we have are basically team death match with some capture points spread on the map. So we think tank on tank combat only. If historical matches are to be made, new maps, modes and mechanics should be created. Spawning with heavy armor and high pen should be based on strategy not just better tank stonks.
So? Not all factions need to be great, if their historical vehicles were trash compared to contemporaries, they should also be trash in the game. You don’t need to stick with the same faction at every BR, it’s okay that they peak at different points like they did historically.
@@fridrekr7510 no, you need balanced trees because people just wouldn't play the shit tanks then.
Look at 10.0 Russia/USSR, they have an amazing lineup and you get matches with Russia/USSR on both sides quite regularly and that's even with solid tanks in other nations.
Basically matchmaking wouldn't work because nobody would want to face the nation with that one amazing lineup or play the nation that has a very shitty lineup.
War Thunder is still just a game and not a simulation, most scenarios you get in WT are unrealistic already so many tanks can't even be used in their expected roles.
@@einbaerchen2995Forget balancing.
Amazing how all 4 of those guys passed you out and didn't see you! Nice video!
Logic dictates that this "should" put an end to the "Post-WWII tanks are OP where they are" whiners. ..... But it won't. They will keep crying.
@sixmillionisimpossible here's one whining.
You are going to go against Meteors, Vampires, Mig9s, Yak15 and P80s anyway.
@sixmillionisimpossible Am I wrong? Your jet is gonna get pounded on by Meteors and P80s.
@sixmillionisimpossible Let's hear why you think that way lmao
@sixmillionisimpossible Wow you got me!! oh no how did you????? 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
@sixmillionisimpossible No...? It was just so stupid and it was easy to answer lmao
Also cringe my guy
I see what you saw mister Dollar,point taken
Betty im sorry i killed you in your SAV with with an AML90, Please forgib 😭
Another great video. I love the sniffing sound with the T95E1, made my day.
Next time you could use the M41D at 11.7, it is still in service in Taiwan😂
That crap already sucks at 8.0, it is one of the worst grind i ever experienced in WT.
BRs really don't matter in GRB. All you need is beeing sneaky.
I got 5 kills with a panther D at br 7.3-8.0 (I had Maus)
Just defending B point and being sneaky
6:56 My heart would've jumped if that was me lmao
Well, it's not our fault that Sweden decided to build late 30s tanks in the 1950s
Historically match making could be done if they put effort into it. Something that they wont
No, it couldn't. You're an idiot if you think so. You'd be fighting KV-1s is Pz. IIs with 20mm cannons and the AMX-13 FL11 would be fighting M47s.
could be done yeah, but wouldnt be viable, T80B would be sent to what is current 7.7 - 8.0 because it was introduced into service before Leopard 2 or Abrams (First ever abrams, the one with 105mm) so it would fight M60s and Leo 1s... you wouldnt want that, would be very quickly unbalanced
@@petrkdn8224, I was talking really about WW2 tanks.
I don't care about anything after that :p
@@YeEpIkAiYeI Double standard then. You want to feel oh so powerful in German techtree, not knowing you'll meet T95, T30, Tortoise, Centurions and IS6s and IS3s.
@@endjfcar, you said I want German tanks to be powerful? I really don't care, I moved past that point
I just don't want WW2 stuff mixed with Cold War stuff
That IS-2 kill was actually crazy. It has 94mm of armor on the turret at minimum and the round like 95mm pen at 10m.
Cupola shot would probably have been the safest bet.
If this was real, the Panzer 2 fought till the end of the war, there would be some variants at like 6.7 then.
I can't pinpoint why but the editing on this one was extra hilarious
GREAT Intro @DOLLARplays (_ _Betty_ _)* and 14:27 my lord I almost pissed myself laughing that was funny, wasn't expecting that.
God these editing skillz have me in stitches! 😂😂 Love your work as always Dollar.
Thank you Dollarplesi for playing Sweden and makin another epic video 😻😻😻
legendary video as always youre editing dollar is so much different from other people and we love it you always make us laugh keep up the good work these videos are legendary
King of youtube - amazing video editing and humour as always.
Thats why battles needs to be also historical accurate... historical accurate BR cannot work without this. instead of crying like " gnah gnah this isn't balanced"
Sweden would immediately go from being the most obnoxious OP nation to unplayable garbage... so I support this idea.
The Su-76 shoulf sit at 4.7 or 5.3 in order to face its historials foes. Can you kill panthers and tiger with its tiny 76mm ?
The sniffing gun barrels... 😂💀
No, this is unironically how things should be.
Absolutely not. It affects far more than just some random Swedish shitters and I guarantee you'd fucking hate it after a few weeks of trying to grind a tree with """Historic"""" BRs.
Hilarious Masterpiece 🤣
Hope you have a Good Friday/Weekend Dollar!
the asu-57 is a great option for "historical matchmaking"
4:28 Oh my god DOLLARplays shootting me MI-4AV😂
T34-85 was still used by some countries up until as recently as 2023. Maybe try using at top tier? Or you could take the 75 sherman and Stuart tanks at 5.7-6.7 to fight tigers and panther's maybe.
I do good at 7.7 with the T-34-85.
1950's tanks going against M4A1 Shermans is a crazy thought.
bro the SAV fighting a maus could go one of 2 ways, either the sav whiffs every shot and the maus is unphased, or the sav gets a lucky shot that pens the maus and then it just fucking explodes so comidicly
16:05 It's weird that you survive this long when your back is enemy spawn.
Love this video AND the PVKV 4! Thought i would hate that tank but it turned out to be thw most fun for me so far in the Swedish TT. Would love to see FIAT 6614 fighting it's peers.
The Dog sniffing Tank got me offguard 😂
In reality, the SAV would've actually been 7.7, its gun wasn't automatic in the sense of an autoloader, it was actually fully automatic, it was so expensive the swedes canned immediately. 6 rounds of 120mm in a second would hurt just about anything on the surface of the Earth.
Again, tyvm for these super entertaining video's Dollarplays. I flippin love them !!!!! Never stop making them !!❤❤👍👍🙏🙏
That maus had your decal on the front upper plate lol
Spot on, Eagle eye! 👍