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Your way of bringing the theoretical stuff across really stands out and I appreciate that a lot. I'm not a singer, but I do my bit of singing, every now and then, so to get a bit of background is really insightful.
Jorns voice is somewhere between Dio and David Coverdale. Excelent singer, for me, his best performance is on the album "The Devil's Hall of Fame" (songs like Shadowland, Crying etc.) And, yeah first Masterplan album have some great tunes.
Yup, when I 1st heard him with the excellent Prog Metal band "Ark", I said he sounded like Coverdale meets Dio (which I WISH Ritchie Blackmore chose him to be in the latest version of Rainbow). People need to checkout his work with Ark, excellent band and sadly only 2 albums (with the guitarist from "Conception", the band Roy Khan started in). Also checkout: Mundanus Imperium, Beyond Twilight and on the Ayreon album "01011001".
I have two playlists on my phone. One where he sounds like Coverdale and the other like Dio. Three songs I'd love him to sing: 1. Holy Diver, 2. Soldier of Fortune 3. Mistreated
Ark Burn the Sun is Jorn at his best. Human, emotional and versatile. DHOF is probably 2nd best for me, Burn The Sun is just too gorgeous. His solo stuff is him at his most generic unfortunately.
Thank you for the video. Check out "Burn The Sun" album of band Ark with him on vocals if you haven't yet. That's great (one of the best I heard) album with amazing music and perfect vocals.
HIGHLY recommend that as well. Ark I think was the perfect band to show his true voice as it covered all moods and aggression. Great musicianship in the band and great tracks! I think it was Arjen Luccasen/Ayreon who said Jorn was his favorite vocalist.
Damn, he's really good! And I thought a similar thing when I listened to Dio, one can hear the vibration even in his raspy lines, because it's all free and open. That's really pleasant to my ears.
Jorn's a freak of nature and you're likely to hurt yourself trying to do what he does. Still, pointing out the weaknesses in the technique of a man who's been touring for 30 years and still sounds like a god isn't as convincing as it could be.
alot of the musicians say he is one of the best singers they are worked with, and works hard in the studio, If you look at his whole work, he can sing many styles, a very good singer, been going since 1993? I think some of his best work is with the band masterplan
Yes the glottal onset leads to the compression used to produce distortion...he's vibrating the flesh at the back of the palate while pressing it in. Hes extremely good at it without sounding like cookie monster
Great analysis! Jorn was also a smoker for quite some time, which helps to explain some of the damage to his voice. I think he is one of the most underrated metal singers! He is so versatile and his timbre and tone are not only consistent, but also incredibly beautiful - especially the low notes imo. For me, Jorn and Russell Allen are the absolute kings of metal!
Jorn, Allen, Glenn Hughes, Graham Bonnet... are people who are singing with rasp and they are still consistent considering their age(and Dio while he was alive). It could be because their chest voice is well developed and they are able to reach those upper 4th/lower 5th octave notes while keeping the sound big without any change in their timbre. But if you look at singers like Ian Gillan, Axl Rose, Geoff Tate, Rob Halford,Timo Kotipelto, guy from Dokken, Tobbias Sammet, Michael Kiske,Andi Deris... those guys were singing mentioned notes with very light approach, almost in full head voice(which is safer according to voice teachers rather than pulling chest voice). However, they were all pretty much done before their 40s (Kiske not, because guy didn't sing any live show over 1h for 20 years pretty much, and now he is weak af on new Helloween tour). I am wondering what is your opinion on that, and do you think that it would be better for those singers if they developed their chest voice at the start of their career rather than going easier route and singing anything higher than A4 in light mix/head voice.
those are just assumptions , you believe they are belting and are still good vocally with it, but apart from not having any real facts about it. singing over the passagio and reaching high doesn't necessarily change your voice sound as much as to be perceptible by the listener. And finally no one really knows what said people did and kept their voices if they had therapy or surgery or whatever. Only thing that is easily proven is that pulling chest high is destructive , i have the utmost respect for all the singer you named but still his doesn't change that fact apart from the fact that you cant really belt for 4-5 octaves.
@@thorstormlord hes somewhat right the chest dragers who could still blend an even mix last forever (glenn hughes) than those who dont (ian gillan) and heady mixers (geoff tate)
@@prefernoto4788 My point is that we dont really know how they sing, not if they belt or mix those are subtle qualities on that level that you cant know from the outside. So basing an argument on your assumption of their technique and type of voice usage is fallacious to begin with.
@@thorstormlordnever mentioned any thing reguarding voice type & technique. Just said about the mix and you can analyse carefully from an outside prespective
Jorn is just plain a freak. I have no idea how he produces all those overtones and so much compression even in lower registers. I saw him sing at the soundcheck for this show using a plain SM-58 and also purely acoustically in the dressing room. That voice is ALL HIM and is ridiculously loud, rich, and full. And this isn't even close to challenging singing as far as he's concerned. Show was in 2006 and Jorn says he's had a little training but he realized that a lot of what he was learning from classically trained instructors wasn't going to translate to this kind of singing.
@@jayrusnak the people i encountered had no idea who he was, they were initially going for Nevermore who had cancelled.....thus JORN got that spot. and yes I know everyone knew in advanced they had cancelled. still a nice surprise for those unaware of JORN.
I guess a lot of singers will sacrifice that perfect singing posture when performing live to put on a visual performance for the audience. I'm sure Jorn uses correct posture int he studio though. I'd love to see you analyze Kai Hansen of Helloween/Gamma ray. he has a very unique naturally high and raspy voice that actually sounds like his speaking voice. Maybe not the greatest singer, especially in his early years in Helloween, but very unique.
I think Tobias Sammet of Ed Guy and Avantasia must be an interesting analysis. Also Yannis Papadopuolos from Beast in Black... Thank you for all! So far you' ve done an excllent job, I learn so much from you.
Tobias' voice always seems highly edited on the records. He's not bad but always seems like he's got poor technique or something, struggling to hit the notes. He's a much better songwriter than singer, which is why he always records with other singers.
@@Dickbulginheadin Definitely a better songwriter than singer, tho I dont think I would go as far as to say that he edited his voice a ton on the studio albums. There are quite a few older live videos where he sounds good, though I will admit his live sound drops off allot after about 2010.
I agree that an analysis of Yannis would be interesting, especially on Blind and Frozen. I actually thought the softer vocals in the beginning were sung by a woman until I watched the music video.
Yet more great in depth analysis. Thank you again for the time you put into these videos to give such excellent information that is built on academic knowledge but discussed in a digestible manner. Spent the majority of my day yesterday watching some of your older videos. Would love to hear your opinion on MeatLoaf whether in a video or just in a quick comment. Especially on his early touring days for Bat out of Hell. He is in my opinion a great vocalist but since he's had issues with his voice at different stages of his career, it would be interesting to see why.
@prefer noto obviously he can't sing now. For multiple reasons to do with health and vocal health etc. That's why I want to hear Zach's analysis as to why he can't sing now. Doesn't dispute the fact that he was great.
Gabriel Galban Defeis is also interesting because of his really extreme vocal decline. Never heard any other singer of his age with such a bad vocal evolution. No disrespect, but it makes me really sad listening to him now. He had his best times in the mid to late nineties in my opinion.
@@Heavymetaleternia He has being problems vocals or longer however He made his style with those problems however I am talking when he was younger and He was really powerful like album noble savage . The same problem has Robert plant
His earlier recorded live performances have more strain in his voice, but given how bloody powerful, and also dynamic, Jorn's voice still is, the frequently of his rasp throughout his career mustn't have been _that_ damaging. Gotta give him props for his voice management, I suppose, to accommodate all those technically bad idiosyncrasies whilst developing them.
Thanks for the video! Jorn is one of my favorite voices in metal. I think his best period was around 2001 where I'd say he had the most flexibility. Good raspy songs to check out would be Crying and Shadow land from his times Beyond Twilight. He also had a lot more cleaner songs back in the days than what he's currently putting out. Just a Little from Ark would be a great example - he doesn't use rasp in this song a lot. Definitely do check out these two albums (Devil's Hall Of Fame and Burn The Sun). Aeronautics one with Masterplan is also great. His solo work does tend to be more on the hard rock/heavy metal side. These three albums are more proggy/power if anything. I personally really enjoy his singing in Nikolo Kotzev's Nostradamus (rock opera attempt featuring a lot of legendary blues-style rock singers like Jorn, Glenn Hughes and Joe Lynn Turner). It's one of the more unknown works featuring him and I think is only available as the whole album on RUclips, so it would take some time to listen to it all. Highly recommended though. I'm glad there's someone like you actually doing actual analysis instead of coach reaction videos made just to attract clicks. My recommendation for next singer to check out would be Hansi Kürsch - a staple vocalist in the power metal scene. It's really interesting that even though he's past his fifties already his voice is practically the same and he's still as consistent as ever. Very rare for metal vocalists especially considering the amount of rasp he uses.
Jordan Delchev Hansi has looked for his health by changing a lot of the high vocal lines to deeper ones in the live versions. He often switches to a lower octave in certain parts of the songs. It‘s up to everyone to judge for themselves if Hansi makes his job too easy or if he is very healthy thinking to let his voice rest in live situations.
I hope Russell Allen might be in the pipeline now that Jorn has been covered. Both powerhouses. Though if I saw a vid on Glenn Hughes released I'm sure I'd forget Russell Allen in a hurry.
@@Neilbear5820 Your opinion means nothing to me. Sorry if that sounded harsh but you have to realise music is art, art is subjective. You are a literal nobody so your opinion is hardly gonna hold weight with me. For christ sake, the guys did at least two bloody albums together. Fairly sure he can hold his own against Lande.
@@vanvekeron I pitty your lack of culture. As was said music and art are subjective to the viewer..if you don't get it.. Well you just don't get it.....
I don't know if this guys study on distortion is somehow rejected, or who decides which studies they agree with, but there is this study out there: ruclips.net/video/w2zAdvW1wgk/видео.html Presenter: Julian McGlashan Presented at: AQL 2013, 10th International Conference on Advances in Quantitative Laryngology, Voice and Speech Research. June 2013, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Yeah he is part of CVI, and they are one of the groups who have been submitting studies for peer review. Watch for the NATS Journal of SInging. That's where you will find the most reliable source of peer reviewed vocal studies are.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis Just fumbling around, not familiar with how NATS works. They have some articles such as www.nats.org/_Library/Kennedy_JOS_Files_2013/JOS-063-5-2007-545.pdf . If this and the other articles about belting are on this site, does that mean it's just submitted for peer review? Or can anyone put a article there with it having false information etc? Is there a section on the site that lists what studies are being processed as accepted and what they don't regard as acceptable studies?
If it is on NATS then it has passed peer review. They also have a site called voicepedia that kind of creates a wiki for singing topics that are in the journal.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis Cool thanks. Looks like lots of information on there. :) Too bad I don't sing outside of untrained along with music tracks, but more knowledge can't hurt :)
Man, as you did your reaserch on him i imagine you did cross with some avantasia material, tobias sammet would be a perfect subject for a video. A extraordinaire voice completely destroyed by poor technique. It would be pretty educative.
I would think that the only way you could teach distortion is to have developed your own over a period of years. You can't really understand it using a learned theory alone. Also,.even when you're not a singer you suffer vocal decline as you age and a singer also needs to accommodate that. I don't know of any singer who has stayed the same over the decades. RJD had a natural rasp in the middle of his range.
Thanks for this informative analysis. Since you are classically trained, dare I suggest you analyse Elina Siirala, a Finnish former opera singer (and presently still also a vocal coach) and currently the lead vocalist of Leaves' Eyes, a German/Norsk symphonic metal band established in 2003 by Liv Kristine. She is probably not as well known or famous as the other singers you have analysed so far, but has a good cover version of Nightwish's "Sleeping Sun" in RUclips "LEAVES' EYES New Singer Singing NIGHTWISH's Sleeping Sun (Elina Siirala)" in which you can see her entire face through the entire song. P.S. Elina is also a second cousin of Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish. P.S. This is one of her own original songs "Last Time Together - EnkeliNation / Angel Nation - Live Acoustic Version - Elina Siirala" in case you find it a better choice.
I feel like the rasp thing is happening with oor-flay from The Band Who Shall Not Be Named. Seems like its very prevalent in her voice anymore, I know she aims for this gritty rock sound these days but sometimes it sounds unintentional and like she has to try to work around it but she can't always get away from it. To the point she has to clear her throat by coughing mid-song or extra shouting during crowd engagement and doing that kermit voice to cover the rasp up during clean runs. Just seems that way to me anyways, possible she was just having bad nights.
@Zach Ansley Im getting bored of unexperienced vocal coaches who know NOTHING about singing rock music not recomending the raspy voice... There are like A MILLION different techniques to do it, some of them used by singers who are now in their 60s and still doing it great.. Its all on youtube, please, just do some research before doing this kind of videos :S:S
You're saying that RUclips is a better source of information than where I went to college... got it. Also, you realize I've been studying the voice for 16 years, and have been teaching professionally for the last 4, right? I'm far from inexperienced, and RUclips is full of people who will lie to you to get your views. Use some critical thinking skills and educate yourself from a source rhat has credibility, not some random person on RUclips. If you don't trust what I have to say, go to nats.org and check out The Journal of Singing, or check out Functional Unity of the Singing Voice by Barbara Doscher. Wanna know what I'm getting bored of? Random commenters on the internet acting like they know more about a subject than professionals.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis Well, I also went to college to study singing 9 years ago, and I also have been teaching and singing professionally for the las 6. And I know, for a fact, nothing you´ve studied can be applied to rock singing. But you´re too much of a rookie in this style to notice yet. But its ok. If you´re interested, there are professional singing academies that have been teaching how to do raspy voice (and even guturals and screamo for extreme metal) for more than 25 years now (a couple of them have youtube channels, that´s what I was talking about) You can eat your ego, sit down and learn a little about professionals who have been singing this style for decades (like I did years ago), or you can stick to you preconceeved ideas and refuse to learn. For instance, you say in this video this way of singing is going to hurt your voice 99.99% of the times, but I can send you right now links to more than 20 videos of 20 different singers who are older than 50, who have been doing this for decades. That´s just a little example of you, a person who is too ignorant about this subject, messing up. Do you really want me to send you 20 videos of 20 different singers, doing this same thing live, in my next comment..?? And Im talking about 20 videos of 2hour live shows, of all guys in their 50s and 60s, doing this (real live sound, not playback or resung at the studio)
That is called cherry picking. I can do the same thing. I could name 20 people who have done it for an entire career as well, but those people are the exception, not the rule. There is no longitudinal, peer reviewed study that conclusively proves that singing with rasp is sustainable. If you are teaching people that you can use rasp in a healthy way, you are lying to people, whether you mean to or not. And before you link me to CVT researchers/ teachers, or people like Ken Tamplin or Melissa Cross, none of their pedagogy has been independently peer reviewed. You are choosing to trust a source because it aligns with a viewpoint that you want to be true. Its called cognitive bias, and it gets in the way of critical thinking. My views do not come from ignorance. I have been presented this same argument countless times over the last year and every time I am given data towards it the same thing occurs: 1) 'x' singer did it for 20 years so you're wrong 2) CVT says blah blah blah... Those arguments don't work.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis I don´t think you understand what Im telling you. Is not just those 20 people. I know 7 or 8 guys arround my area who are over 50 and have been doing this for decades too (and I can send you their videos as well) Do you want me to send you videos of 20 famous guys, and another 10 completly unknown guys from arround my area..?? (a small town with 16thousand villagers, in the north of spain) I can send you those 30 videos if you want to. I know it hurts, but you have been wrong this whole time :S:S Everybody can learn the techniques for doing raspy voice and screamo.. EVERYBODY, is not more difficult than learning how to use your head voice, or how to breathe properly. You can deny reality as much as you want, like a flat-earther, but that doesn´t change the fact that I can name you hundreds and hundreds of examples in different genres, and there are thousands of people if you count small bands all arround the world (every small town like mine has another 7 ot 8 guys who have been singing like this since the 80s..) I don´t know, but I think I may send you those 30 videos just to show you how wrong you are about this :S:S Because if you say there is no way of learning how to use raspy voice and screamo, you´re the one who´s being ignorant and who´s lying to people, even if you mean it or not.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis Here you have just a couple examples of people who teach how to rasp your voice, who also have official musical formation, and who have been doing this for MUCH LONGER than you. And again, this is just VERY BASIC technique: ruclips.net/video/YD6wZNkffog/видео.html ruclips.net/video/eEm500j9hb4/видео.html
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@prefer noto If I had to classify Maynard I would call him a lyric tenor 2.
@prefer noto I've never seen the range channel you're talking about. I will check it out.
@prefer noto what the fuck is a baritenor?
Your way of bringing the theoretical stuff across really stands out and I appreciate that a lot. I'm not a singer, but I do my bit of singing, every now and then, so to get a bit of background is really insightful.
Jorns voice is somewhere between Dio and David Coverdale.
Excelent singer, for me, his best performance is on the album "The Devil's Hall of Fame" (songs like Shadowland, Crying etc.) And, yeah first Masterplan album have some great tunes.
You aren't kidding about the singing on that DHOF album.
Yup, when I 1st heard him with the excellent Prog Metal band "Ark", I said he sounded like Coverdale meets Dio (which I WISH Ritchie Blackmore chose him to be in the latest version of Rainbow). People need to checkout his work with Ark, excellent band and sadly only 2 albums (with the guitarist from "Conception", the band Roy Khan started in).
Also checkout: Mundanus Imperium, Beyond Twilight and on the Ayreon album "01011001".
I have two playlists on my phone. One where he sounds like Coverdale and the other like Dio. Three songs I'd love him to sing: 1. Holy Diver, 2. Soldier of Fortune 3. Mistreated
Ark Burn the Sun is Jorn at his best. Human, emotional and versatile. DHOF is probably 2nd best for me, Burn The Sun is just too gorgeous. His solo stuff is him at his most generic unfortunately.
Thank you for the video. Check out "Burn The Sun" album of band Ark with him on vocals if you haven't yet. That's great (one of the best I heard) album with amazing music and perfect vocals.
HIGHLY recommend that as well. Ark I think was the perfect band to show his true voice as it covered all moods and aggression. Great musicianship in the band and great tracks! I think it was Arjen Luccasen/Ayreon who said Jorn was his favorite vocalist.
best album he ever did. "Just a Little" is my fav song from him vocally
Damn, he's really good! And I thought a similar thing when I listened to Dio, one can hear the vibration even in his raspy lines, because it's all free and open. That's really pleasant to my ears.
I love the mix between high notes, raspy voice and a good vibrato.
Jorn's a freak of nature and you're likely to hurt yourself trying to do what he does. Still, pointing out the weaknesses in the technique of a man who's been touring for 30 years and still sounds like a god isn't as convincing as it could be.
alot of the musicians say he is one of the best singers they are worked with, and works hard in the studio, If you look at his whole work, he can sing many styles, a very good singer, been going since 1993? I think some of his best work is with the band masterplan
Indeed. Aeronautics is a great album.
Yes the glottal onset leads to the compression used to produce distortion...he's vibrating the flesh at the back of the palate while pressing it in. Hes extremely good at it without sounding like cookie monster
Great analysis! Jorn was also a smoker for quite some time, which helps to explain some of the damage to his voice. I think he is one of the most underrated metal singers! He is so versatile and his timbre and tone are not only consistent, but also incredibly beautiful - especially the low notes imo. For me, Jorn and Russell Allen are the absolute kings of metal!
I drank Beer with Jorn once in the USA :)
Jorn, Allen, Glenn Hughes, Graham Bonnet... are people who are singing with rasp and they are still consistent considering their age(and Dio while he was alive). It could be because their chest voice is well developed and they are able to reach those upper 4th/lower 5th octave notes while keeping the sound big without any change in their timbre. But if you look at singers like Ian Gillan, Axl Rose, Geoff Tate, Rob Halford,Timo Kotipelto, guy from Dokken, Tobbias Sammet, Michael Kiske,Andi Deris... those guys were singing mentioned notes with very light approach, almost in full head voice(which is safer according to voice teachers rather than pulling chest voice). However, they were all pretty much done before their 40s (Kiske not, because guy didn't sing any live show over 1h for 20 years pretty much, and now he is weak af on new Helloween tour). I am wondering what is your opinion on that, and do you think that it would be better for those singers if they developed their chest voice at the start of their career rather than going easier route and singing anything higher than A4 in light mix/head voice.
Very true but christina aguilera become the noise due to her chesty strained belting
those are just assumptions , you believe they are belting and are still good vocally with it, but apart from not having any real facts about it. singing over the passagio and reaching high doesn't necessarily change your voice sound as much as to be perceptible by the listener. And finally no one really knows what said people did and kept their voices if they had therapy or surgery or whatever. Only thing that is easily proven is that pulling chest high is destructive , i have the utmost respect for all the singer you named but still his doesn't change that fact apart from the fact that you cant really belt for 4-5 octaves.
@@thorstormlord hes somewhat right the chest dragers who could still blend an even mix last forever (glenn hughes) than those who dont (ian gillan) and heady mixers (geoff tate)
@@prefernoto4788 My point is that we dont really know how they sing, not if they belt or mix those are subtle qualities on that level that you cant know from the outside. So basing an argument on your assumption of their technique and type of voice usage is fallacious to begin with.
@@thorstormlordnever mentioned any thing reguarding voice type & technique. Just said about the mix and you can analyse carefully from an outside prespective
Another great video Zach , Jorn is a prolific singer and persona.Glad to see he was done justice.
Jorn is just plain a freak. I have no idea how he produces all those overtones and so much compression even in lower registers. I saw him sing at the soundcheck for this show using a plain SM-58 and also purely acoustically in the dressing room. That voice is ALL HIM and is ridiculously loud, rich, and full. And this isn't even close to challenging singing as far as he's concerned. Show was in 2006 and Jorn says he's had a little training but he realized that a lot of what he was learning from classically trained instructors wasn't going to translate to this kind of singing.
right on man.
One word : powerhouse
I was at this show......most of the Audience had no idea who he was.............everyone was blown away by his vocal performance.
Oh most everyone there knew who he was. This was ProgPower so it wasn't the usual American audience.
@@jayrusnak the people i encountered had no idea who he was, they were initially going for Nevermore who had cancelled.....thus JORN got that spot. and yes I know everyone knew in advanced they had cancelled. still a nice surprise for those unaware of JORN.
My second favourite Perfect Strangers version after the one on A Change of Seasons.
I guess a lot of singers will sacrifice that perfect singing posture when performing live to put on a visual performance for the audience. I'm sure Jorn uses correct posture int he studio though. I'd love to see you analyze Kai Hansen of Helloween/Gamma ray. he has a very unique naturally high and raspy voice that actually sounds like his speaking voice. Maybe not the greatest singer, especially in his early years in Helloween, but very unique.
I agree, I really like the distinctiveness of his tone. Great projection
I think Tobias Sammet of Ed Guy and Avantasia must be an interesting analysis. Also Yannis Papadopuolos from Beast in Black... Thank you for all! So far you' ve done an excllent job, I learn so much from you.
Agreed, his tone is unique.
@@marcelo.bassalo He also has had some interesting vocal style changes over the years.
Tobias' voice always seems highly edited on the records. He's not bad but always seems like he's got poor technique or something, struggling to hit the notes. He's a much better songwriter than singer, which is why he always records with other singers.
@@Dickbulginheadin Definitely a better songwriter than singer, tho I dont think I would go as far as to say that he edited his voice a ton on the studio albums. There are quite a few older live videos where he sounds good, though I will admit his live sound drops off allot after about 2010.
I agree that an analysis of Yannis would be interesting, especially on Blind and Frozen. I actually thought the softer vocals in the beginning were sung by a woman until I watched the music video.
Finaly you checked out the disciple of Dio 😀
Yet more great in depth analysis. Thank you again for the time you put into these videos to give such excellent information that is built on academic knowledge but discussed in a digestible manner.
Spent the majority of my day yesterday watching some of your older videos.
Would love to hear your opinion on MeatLoaf whether in a video or just in a quick comment. Especially on his early touring days for Bat out of Hell. He is in my opinion a great vocalist but since he's had issues with his voice at different stages of his career, it would be interesting to see why.
@prefer noto obviously he can't sing now. For multiple reasons to do with health and vocal health etc. That's why I want to hear Zach's analysis as to why he can't sing now. Doesn't dispute the fact that he was great.
@prefer noto you are entitled to your opinion
Another signer that would be interesting to analyse is David Defies and Eric Adams(manowar)
Ian Gillan and Eric Adams is a must from Zach!!!
Adams in the 80-90´s is untouchable, besides Dio.
Saw Virgin Steel two years ago in Belgium. Very disappointing. He's not that singer anymore
Gabriel Galban Defeis is also interesting because of his really extreme vocal decline. Never heard any other singer of his age with such a bad vocal evolution. No disrespect, but it makes me really sad listening to him now. He had his best times in the mid to late nineties in my opinion.
@@Heavymetaleternia He has being problems vocals or longer however He made his style with those problems however I am talking when he was younger and He was really powerful like album noble savage . The same problem has Robert plant
His earlier recorded live performances have more strain in his voice, but given how bloody powerful, and also dynamic, Jorn's voice still is, the frequently of his rasp throughout his career mustn't have been _that_ damaging. Gotta give him props for his voice management, I suppose, to accommodate all those technically bad idiosyncrasies whilst developing them.
Tore Moren on guitar, damn he's excellent. His solos with Arcturus are phenomenal.
Anonyomus hmmm🙄Jörn Viggo Lofstad ruled
Thanks for the video! Jorn is one of my favorite voices in metal.
I think his best period was around 2001 where I'd say he had the most flexibility. Good raspy songs to check out would be Crying and Shadow land from his times Beyond Twilight. He also had a lot more cleaner songs back in the days than what he's currently putting out. Just a Little from Ark would be a great example - he doesn't use rasp in this song a lot.
Definitely do check out these two albums (Devil's Hall Of Fame and Burn The Sun). Aeronautics one with Masterplan is also great. His solo work does tend to be more on the hard rock/heavy metal side. These three albums are more proggy/power if anything. I personally really enjoy his singing in Nikolo Kotzev's Nostradamus (rock opera attempt featuring a lot of legendary blues-style rock singers like Jorn, Glenn Hughes and Joe Lynn Turner). It's one of the more unknown works featuring him and I think is only available as the whole album on RUclips, so it would take some time to listen to it all. Highly recommended though.
I'm glad there's someone like you actually doing actual analysis instead of coach reaction videos made just to attract clicks. My recommendation for next singer to check out would be Hansi Kürsch - a staple vocalist in the power metal scene. It's really interesting that even though he's past his fifties already his voice is practically the same and he's still as consistent as ever. Very rare for metal vocalists especially considering the amount of rasp he uses.
And what's even crazier, Hansi is a baritone...
Jordan Delchev Hansi has looked for his health by changing a lot of the high vocal lines to deeper ones in the live versions. He often switches to a lower octave in certain parts of the songs. It‘s up to everyone to judge for themselves if Hansi makes his job too easy or if he is very healthy thinking to let his voice rest in live situations.
Great job. I love Jorn Lande!! He right now is about my favorite... please do me a favor,, try do a video on Mark Boals?? Please..
Great video zach jorn is certainly one of the best singers In the classic metal world.
of course he is a good singer he is Norwegian :D
I love your analysis of vocalists. Thanks for the videos!
Do one of Paul Stanley doing Love Gun from 2018. Not 2019 because now he’s just miming it.
Wonder if you've ever checked out Maggie Luyten. She's the female Jorn as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, she herself admitted to be heavily influenced by him
I hope Russell Allen might be in the pipeline now that Jorn has been covered. Both powerhouses. Though if I saw a vid on Glenn Hughes released I'm sure I'd forget Russell Allen in a hurry.
Allen is no where in the same League as Lande. But i do like his smooth voice. But he seems to just yell and scream on 90% of what he sings.
@@Neilbear5820 Your opinion means nothing to me. Sorry if that sounded harsh but you have to realise music is art, art is subjective. You are a literal nobody so your opinion is hardly gonna hold weight with me.
For christ sake, the guys did at least two bloody albums together. Fairly sure he can hold his own against Lande.
@@Neilbear5820 ruclips.net/video/qW3OH7gZIZc/видео.html
Also, if any of that is "just yelling and screaming" then I'm John Petrucci's dad.
! Rik Nel Are you fn high Russell is THE MOST CONSISTENT singer in metal today! I have seen this guy sing 100 times never a bad show....
@@vanvekeron I pitty your lack of culture. As was said music and art are subjective to the viewer..if you don't get it.. Well you just don't get it.....
He does remind me of Dio a lot but with more rasp and less ease.
No
Less ease I don't know, but his voice surely sits lower than Dio's
Would be interested to see what you think of King Diamond hes a freak singer.
Yay! Norway! :-)
I don't know if this guys study on distortion is somehow rejected, or who decides which studies they agree with, but there is this study out there:
ruclips.net/video/w2zAdvW1wgk/видео.html
Presenter: Julian McGlashan
Presented at: AQL 2013, 10th International Conference on Advances in Quantitative Laryngology, Voice and Speech Research. June 2013, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Yeah he is part of CVI, and they are one of the groups who have been submitting studies for peer review. Watch for the NATS Journal of SInging. That's where you will find the most reliable source of peer reviewed vocal studies are.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis Just fumbling around, not familiar with how NATS works. They have some articles such as www.nats.org/_Library/Kennedy_JOS_Files_2013/JOS-063-5-2007-545.pdf . If this and the other articles about belting are on this site, does that mean it's just submitted for peer review? Or can anyone put a article there with it having false information etc? Is there a section on the site that lists what studies are being processed as accepted and what they don't regard as acceptable studies?
If it is on NATS then it has passed peer review. They also have a site called voicepedia that kind of creates a wiki for singing topics that are in the journal.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis Cool thanks. Looks like lots of information on there. :) Too bad I don't sing outside of untrained along with music tracks, but more knowledge can't hurt :)
Man, as you did your reaserch on him i imagine you did cross with some avantasia material, tobias sammet would be a perfect subject for a video. A extraordinaire voice completely destroyed by poor technique. It would be pretty educative.
Please analysise Diamada Galas
do Jon Oliva!
I would think that the only way you could teach distortion is to have developed your own over a period of years. You can't really understand it using a learned theory alone.
Also,.even when you're not a singer you suffer vocal decline as you age and a singer also needs to accommodate that. I don't know of any singer who has stayed the same over the decades.
RJD had a natural rasp in the middle of his range.
do Ian Gillan! child in time
Pagans mind back up band .Cool.
Thanks for this informative analysis. Since you are classically trained, dare I suggest you analyse Elina Siirala, a Finnish former opera singer (and presently still also a vocal coach) and currently the lead vocalist of Leaves' Eyes, a German/Norsk symphonic metal band established in 2003 by Liv Kristine. She is probably not as well known or famous as the other singers you have analysed so far, but has a good cover version of Nightwish's "Sleeping Sun" in RUclips "LEAVES' EYES New Singer Singing NIGHTWISH's Sleeping Sun (Elina Siirala)" in which you can see her entire face through the entire song. P.S. Elina is also a second cousin of Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish. P.S. This is one of her own original songs "Last Time Together - EnkeliNation / Angel Nation - Live Acoustic Version - Elina Siirala" in case you find it a better choice.
I feel like the rasp thing is happening with oor-flay from The Band Who Shall Not Be Named. Seems like its very prevalent in her voice anymore, I know she aims for this gritty rock sound these days but sometimes it sounds unintentional and like she has to try to work around it but she can't always get away from it. To the point she has to clear her throat by coughing mid-song or extra shouting during crowd engagement and doing that kermit voice to cover the rasp up during clean runs. Just seems that way to me anyways, possible she was just having bad nights.
You have a very weird approach to art. Going as far as "I wont teach my students if it's not scientifically proven"
I teach technique. I leave the art to the musicians themselves.
Did you read the warning text at the beginning?
@Zach Ansley Im getting bored of unexperienced vocal coaches who know NOTHING about singing rock music not recomending the raspy voice... There are like A MILLION different techniques to do it, some of them used by singers who are now in their 60s and still doing it great.. Its all on youtube, please, just do some research before doing this kind of videos :S:S
You're saying that RUclips is a better source of information than where I went to college... got it.
Also, you realize I've been studying the voice for 16 years, and have been teaching professionally for the last 4, right? I'm far from inexperienced, and RUclips is full of people who will lie to you to get your views. Use some critical thinking skills and educate yourself from a source rhat has credibility, not some random person on RUclips. If you don't trust what I have to say, go to nats.org and check out The Journal of Singing, or check out Functional Unity of the Singing Voice by Barbara Doscher.
Wanna know what I'm getting bored of? Random commenters on the internet acting like they know more about a subject than professionals.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis Well, I also went to college to study singing 9 years ago, and I also have been teaching and singing professionally for the las 6. And I know, for a fact, nothing you´ve studied can be applied to rock singing. But you´re too much of a rookie in this style to notice yet. But its ok. If you´re interested, there are professional singing academies that have been teaching how to do raspy voice (and even guturals and screamo for extreme metal) for more than 25 years now (a couple of them have youtube channels, that´s what I was talking about) You can eat your ego, sit down and learn a little about professionals who have been singing this style for decades (like I did years ago), or you can stick to you preconceeved ideas and refuse to learn. For instance, you say in this video this way of singing is going to hurt your voice 99.99% of the times, but I can send you right now links to more than 20 videos of 20 different singers who are older than 50, who have been doing this for decades. That´s just a little example of you, a person who is too ignorant about this subject, messing up. Do you really want me to send you 20 videos of 20 different singers, doing this same thing live, in my next comment..?? And Im talking about 20 videos of 2hour live shows, of all guys in their 50s and 60s, doing this (real live sound, not playback or resung at the studio)
That is called cherry picking. I can do the same thing. I could name 20 people who have done it for an entire career as well, but those people are the exception, not the rule. There is no longitudinal, peer reviewed study that conclusively proves that singing with rasp is sustainable.
If you are teaching people that you can use rasp in a healthy way, you are lying to people, whether you mean to or not. And before you link me to CVT researchers/ teachers, or people like Ken Tamplin or Melissa Cross, none of their pedagogy has been independently peer reviewed. You are choosing to trust a source because it aligns with a viewpoint that you want to be true. Its called cognitive bias, and it gets in the way of critical thinking.
My views do not come from ignorance. I have been presented this same argument countless times over the last year and every time I am given data towards it the same thing occurs:
1) 'x' singer did it for 20 years so you're wrong
2) CVT says blah blah blah...
Those arguments don't work.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis I don´t think you understand what Im telling you. Is not just those 20 people. I know 7 or 8 guys arround my area who are over 50 and have been doing this for decades too (and I can send you their videos as well) Do you want me to send you videos of 20 famous guys, and another 10 completly unknown guys from arround my area..?? (a small town with 16thousand villagers, in the north of spain) I can send you those 30 videos if you want to. I know it hurts, but you have been wrong this whole time :S:S Everybody can learn the techniques for doing raspy voice and screamo.. EVERYBODY, is not more difficult than learning how to use your head voice, or how to breathe properly. You can deny reality as much as you want, like a flat-earther, but that doesn´t change the fact that I can name you hundreds and hundreds of examples in different genres, and there are thousands of people if you count small bands all arround the world (every small town like mine has another 7 ot 8 guys who have been singing like this since the 80s..) I don´t know, but I think I may send you those 30 videos just to show you how wrong you are about this :S:S Because if you say there is no way of learning how to use raspy voice and screamo, you´re the one who´s being ignorant and who´s lying to people, even if you mean it or not.
@@Zachsvocalanalysis Here you have just a couple examples of people who teach how to rasp your voice, who also have official musical formation, and who have been doing this for MUCH LONGER than you. And again, this is just VERY BASIC technique: ruclips.net/video/YD6wZNkffog/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/eEm500j9hb4/видео.html
Talk too much...madnes...you cold talk without any music...