@ Ultimate spider man did the same thing about Harry being Venom, and if you wanna use that logic that “ he didn’t exist at that time” then Death, in universe, wasn’t created until 1973.
@@xz..70. he’s comparing web of shadows venom to insomniacs venom and say that he’s Knull servant when Knull never existed at the time Web of Shadows was made so his point falls flat because it was never what that game was going for.
HOW? Is Phin Mason a well-written character?? Serious question. She is an absolute hypocrite who calls out Miles for “lying to her” which would be okay if the game didn’t frame this act as being on-par with her domestic t***orism which could’ve killed Miles’s mother. Then there’s not a point in the story where faces consequences. Just blows up
That's Phin's issue. She's written to be someone you're supposed to feel bad for, yet she does stupid and hypocritical stuff that makes it hard to do that.
Hypocrisy of varying degrees is a core component of every villain lmao. If she had everything figured out to begin with, she wouldn't have gone berserk for revenge. That's a flawed character, that's why she was an antagonist. And no the game did not compare lying and terrorism in any light, it's a Spider-Man being overly and outwardly apologetic in order to make people come around, an inherent quality and even flaw at times, of every Spider-Man character too.
@@Pricklypeen She very much did make that comparison when she got mad at him for not telling her she was Spiderman. As if he didn't have a very good reason for keeping that a secret from the person that attacked him mom's rally and was committing acts of terror throughout the city. And then goes off on him after she tried to kill Rhino over him RIGHTFULLY hiding his identity AGAIN as well as "getting her kidnapped" as if he somehow did this on purpose or should've know Unc was an op.
@@espurrseyes42 someone's trauma response being irrational and erratic is what leads to them eventually becoming an antagonist, am I missing something?
You did great job despite being unscripted. I honestly you could have said it was scripted I wouldn’t have noticed. Pacing was a solid and the visuals helped, most tier lists don’t use visuals. Overall, a solid video.
@@TheBossFighterz I'm amazed you're a Lizard fan. He's by far my favorite Spider-Man villain. I too think it's a shame he didn't get any more story after he was cured. The boss fight was epic though
1 antagonist (well it’s more of an antagonistic organisation) that I really would’ve seen something else from is AIM. I mean one of the big bad organisations of Marvel, and all you get feels like a little Easter egg, because they just randomly invest in Doc Ock and that’s it, you hear nothing more from them, it’s probably the 2nd biggest organisation in Marvel that insomniac has but into their game, 1st being Oscorp
I personally loved how venom was portrayed in spiderman 2. But there just wasn't enough of him and Tony todd is one of the best castings for venom!!! R.I.P TONY TODD
Yeah this was poor elaboration on my part. The reason I said it was wasted is because a lot of his performance was left on the cutting room floor. And what we got, while fantastic was still just underwhelming due to this Venom just being a little bland and generic compared to other adaptations. Gotta love Tony Todd tho, he's the GOAT :)
I thought that the Tinkerer should’ve been ranked lower imo. Her design is cool and her boss fight is fun but Phin as a character makes really weird decisions and her plan has so many holes in it that it’s hard to make her a sympathetic villain.
You put Kassidy above Venom but put him lower than you wanted to because Insomniac aren't finished with him, however you complained that Venom was plain and not really fleshed out even though they aren't finished with his character either. You also weren't sure about putting Wraith as a villain which is bizarre because you put Black Cat on there. How can you be sure about putting a thief/occasional ally on there, but not a killer who cares even less about Peter? It's made clear that Black Cat respects Peter, but Wraith belittles him in her boss fight, she's cruel, and far more of a Villain than Felecia.
@@NycticeiusHumeralis Fairs my guy! I love Venom too, just wish he had a little more time to shine and a bit more depth. He definitely will be S tier for me when the Venom game comes out tho :)
I didn’t like Phin, only redeeming part of her was the boss fight I thought her motives were flawed, she wanted to avenge her brother so she joined a crime organisation, gave them destructive cutting edge weapons, became its leader and blinded by anger would’ve happily blew up Harlem Feeling so sad for herself, for the loss of her brother yet decides to attack Rio’s rally, Rio, her best friends mum! She almost got her killed, costing her best friend his mother. Causing way way way too much damage to avenge 1 person, and happily, recklessly endangering those close to her to do so, she just felt naive in her pursuit for revenge, plus we’ve already seen this motive through Mr Negative, and he was half possessed by a demon Taskmaster was sick in the sense it felt like he was a bonus boss, the game didn’t need to give us another, but it did! Shame we haven’t seen him since, would be cool to see who his client is Also surprised Silver Sable isn’t on here, she fills the same sorta role as Prowler in the sense that she’s trying to good, just going about it in the absolute worst way possible
@@asurvivor3846are you joking kraven wiped out half of the sinister six and he almost killed Peter parker but if it wasn't for the symbiote he wouldn't survive
Kraven Motivation was really good He's the definition of a warrior He didn't want to die On a sick bed with no purpose He wanted to die in a blaze of glory I mean When you have a deathly illness And when you're expected to die You're going to go out the way you want to
I hate how harry is venom. Why cant they just develop the charters more like in spectacular spider man where doctor octopus and more villains were planned and introduced long before they were villains in the show. And they could also explain why there doing evil and why they are robbing banks or doing certain things, I think they could have done better!
Tinkerer is my least favorite villain. She has a predictable arc, doesn't earn her boring "redemption" and has an annoying moveset. The best thing about the main villain shouldn't be they know the identity of the hero. I agree with what you say about Venom other than the fight being boring, it wasn't the best, but it was fun, at least the Peter part.
I wanna see a Kraven DLC where we can fight Shocker, vulture, Electro and maybe Taskmaster there could be more like rhino and trying to capture sandman
I heavily disagree with venom Yk sure venom isn't as terrifying but tony todd did such an amazing job i just wish he got more lines but the growling after his every word gives me chills. His boss fight i mean i get it but its interesting because you need to understand where venom is and what hes gonna do.
Martin Li is a Why Insomniac for me. He looked so goofy and I thought his character was really boring and his powers aren't interesting. It ruined the story of the first game for me
Of course It's clear that they put Venom in a low position, because everyone wants the same old Venom, it's incredible, the classic, yes, for sure, but it seems that when it's something different from the norm, it's shit
Bro I am so sick of hearing people say the level where you play as Venom is the best thing in the game. It's so bare bones and basic, you have like 3 moves and fight the oscorp guards and the Hunters the exact same way. Only thing I like about the level is when you fight Kraven and THAT is only cuz Kraven is the best thing in SM2. Take away the novelty and it's literally nothing.
I do respect opinions but I feel that the judgement of Venom was a bit harsh. I do wish Venom had more screen time than Kraven and his boss was a bit lacking but I love Venom in Spiderman 2 and I hope we get Carnage as the main villain in the next game.
Venom was underdeveloped he has like 40 mins of screen time while Lizard has 1 hr ish Kraven should have had better bosses. Worst bosses best villain in the series but wasted potential. Wish that image of Peter and Miles fighting Kraven and his goons was a actual boss and Venom too
Same... tbh I think that was originally the plan, because we did see gameplay in the leaks that feels more in line with the promotional art we saw. I think they cut it because they were going for more of a emotional, grounded approach instead. Idk...
I think the comments are being way too harsh on you here. First of all, it's an opinion. Second of all, sure, maybe sometimes what he says about the characters doesn't line up with where he places them, but for the most part I am in agreeance. Venom fucking sucked dude. One of the most disappointing villains I've seen in any game I've ever played. Sure, he's fun to play as, and he is rendered very well, but beyond that, I think it's an uncompelling, BORING villain. There is genuinely not much I'd change around from his final list myself. I also think the video was made very well, so kudos for that.
Kraven, Doc Ock and Venom are top 3 best Insomniac Spider Man villains For the Ultomate tier it should have been Kraven, Doc Ock, Venom (or in Amazing tier) and Mr Negative and maybe Symbiote Peter Amazing tier should be Venom and Tinkerer Vulture and Hammerhead could have been higher. Black Cat doesn't count as a villain since she is an Anti hero The rest are spot on
Thanks bro, love your rankings, they're all incredible! I only put Black Cat on there just to be thorough, but I can see where you're coming from. Hammerheads the only one I disagree with, because I just hate the direction Insomniac took with him lol
This was a good video only part that messed u up was showing where u put all the villains early its kinda like u spoiled the experience which made the video hard to enjoy respectfully
This is truly the worst list of all time… your opinion tho i respect it lol. Also, why does it sound like you’re laughing after every single sentence? ctfu
People hate Insomniac Venom for being Knull’s servant, yet they love Web of shadows Venom.
Bro Knull didn’t even exist at the time that game was made plus that was Eddie as well which is what people wanna see from a Venom.
@ Ultimate spider man did the same thing about Harry being Venom, and if you wanna use that logic that “ he didn’t exist at that time” then Death, in universe, wasn’t created until 1973.
@@ttt9830Wdym Knull didn’t exist
@@xz..70. he’s comparing web of shadows venom to insomniacs venom and say that he’s Knull servant when Knull never existed at the time Web of Shadows was made so his point falls flat because it was never what that game was going for.
@@luafamily yeah and everybody hated ultimate spider-man for doing that. Especially when he used “I” instead of “We”
Never let bro cook again 😭😭😭🙏🙏
Fr. Li should be in the S tier. Bro is ass at judgeing and clueless😭
What does this mean
@ never let the dude rank again
@@BrettVenom300well it IS his list. If anyone’s not aloud to cook here it’s you. Although I do completely agree that he ranked them kinda weird.
Dude it’s his list
HOW? Is Phin Mason a well-written character?? Serious question. She is an absolute hypocrite who calls out Miles for “lying to her” which would be okay if the game didn’t frame this act as being on-par with her domestic t***orism which could’ve killed Miles’s mother. Then there’s not a point in the story where faces consequences. Just blows up
That's Phin's issue. She's written to be someone you're supposed to feel bad for, yet she does stupid and hypocritical stuff that makes it hard to do that.
Hypocrisy of varying degrees is a core component of every villain lmao. If she had everything figured out to begin with, she wouldn't have gone berserk for revenge. That's a flawed character, that's why she was an antagonist. And no the game did not compare lying and terrorism in any light, it's a Spider-Man being overly and outwardly apologetic in order to make people come around, an inherent quality and even flaw at times, of every Spider-Man character too.
@@Pricklypeen
She very much did make that comparison when she got mad at him for not telling her she was Spiderman. As if he didn't have a very good reason for keeping that a secret from the person that attacked him mom's rally and was committing acts of terror throughout the city. And then goes off on him after she tried to kill Rhino over him RIGHTFULLY hiding his identity AGAIN as well as "getting her kidnapped" as if he somehow did this on purpose or should've know Unc was an op.
@@espurrseyes42 someone's trauma response being irrational and erratic is what leads to them eventually becoming an antagonist, am I missing something?
I lose braincells when I see people can't fathom a VILLAIN making bad decisions.
This is truly… a list of all the times
@@bu11et98 Bro if I could go back in time I'd slap myself 🤣
never let bro cook again
never let bro cook
5:23 “he’s not amazing but he’s not terrible” proceeds to put him in amazing teir
@braedonbourque8327 Yeah it was an L
Next game please be silk aka the horny spider
get this goofy ahh tier list outta here
This is my first unscipted video in a long time. Wanted to give you guys something big as a token of appreciation for your patience. Hope you enjoy!
You did great job despite being unscripted. I honestly you could have said it was scripted I wouldn’t have noticed. Pacing was a solid and the visuals helped, most tier lists don’t use visuals. Overall, a solid video.
@@BlindedBraille Thanks bud really appreciate it 👍
@@TheBossFighterz I'm amazed you're a Lizard fan. He's by far my favorite Spider-Man villain. I too think it's a shame he didn't get any more story after he was cured. The boss fight was epic though
You forgot Grizzly
@@TheBossFighterzmever letting bro cook again burnt it
I agree about everything you said about phin she is my favorite
Bruh, Kraven having a bad motivation and under development. You can’t be real, there is no way you said that.
PLEASE NEVER LET BRO COOK AGAIN 😭 😭😭🙏
I said don’t let him cook chat I said DONT let him cook
@@NiTroFlash1 We should've listened to chat 🤣
“I think this was a great adaptation of the character so for that it’s going in f teir”
@@Thatoneblob72 Bro, I seriously screwed up. I was high when editing and recording this so that's why some of this list makes no sense. 😅
@@TheBossFighterz You were literally high during the making of this whole video?!
Yeah I was baked man. Spiderman and weed go hand in hand.
@@TheBossFighterzwere u actually lol? or are u joking
@Rustiks9 Yeah man I was baked outta my mind making this 😁
Homie...didn't rank Electro..? He said the Sinister Six and did 5. Lil' bro, you doing alright?
The fact that OP admits he was baked and still posted this….i respect it
@@jimbobaggins7553 Damm didn't know I was an OP... Gonna have redemption one day. When S3 comes out I'll get stoned again and fix my mistakes.
1 antagonist (well it’s more of an antagonistic organisation) that I really would’ve seen something else from is AIM. I mean one of the big bad organisations of Marvel, and all you get feels like a little Easter egg, because they just randomly invest in Doc Ock and that’s it, you hear nothing more from them, it’s probably the 2nd biggest organisation in Marvel that insomniac has but into their game, 1st being Oscorp
I personally loved how venom was portrayed in spiderman 2. But there just wasn't enough of him and Tony todd is one of the best castings for venom!!! R.I.P TONY TODD
In my opinion the venom and black suit spider man just needed to be longer,maybe have an act 4 so they could’ve explored the characters.
"Venom is underdeveloped..."
"That may be true."
"He's boring."
"I mean, that's not true, but ok."
"They wasted Tony Todd's Performance."
*TF U SAY?*
yea i think this guy is insane
Yeah this was poor elaboration on my part. The reason I said it was wasted is because a lot of his performance was left on the cutting room floor. And what we got, while fantastic was still just underwhelming due to this Venom just being a little bland and generic compared to other adaptations. Gotta love Tony Todd tho, he's the GOAT :)
I really wanted to see what aunt May’s reaction was to finding out what Martin li was up to
I thought that the Tinkerer should’ve been ranked lower imo. Her design is cool and her boss fight is fun but Phin as a character makes really weird decisions and her plan has so many holes in it that it’s hard to make her a sympathetic villain.
bruh what is this list lmao
Fr 😭☠️
It’s a insomniac spiderman villain tier list. If u didn’t know
The definition of yapter
What did you disagree with? :)
You put Kassidy above Venom but put him lower than you wanted to because Insomniac aren't finished with him, however you complained that Venom was plain and not really fleshed out even though they aren't finished with his character either. You also weren't sure about putting Wraith as a villain which is bizarre because you put Black Cat on there. How can you be sure about putting a thief/occasional ally on there, but not a killer who cares even less about Peter? It's made clear that Black Cat respects Peter, but Wraith belittles him in her boss fight, she's cruel, and far more of a Villain than Felecia.
19 inches of venom should be in S tier 🗣🗣🔥🔥
18:51 did bro say mysterio in no way home 😭
Shocker and Black Cat are S tiers for two different reasons
this is.... a list..
venom is in S btw
@@NycticeiusHumeralis Fairs my guy! I love Venom too, just wish he had a little more time to shine and a bit more depth. He definitely will be S tier for me when the Venom game comes out tho :)
Sees Venom
Looks Inside
Knull Servant with Venom skin
Good list, but you forgot to rank silver sable, grizzly, and chameleon. I know the last two are Easter egg villains but they still appeared.
No they didn’t. They had cameos that were barely anything. And Silver Sable is neither hero or villain.
Bro why black cat 😭 I would put her on the wasted list
I mean she is hot but it doesn't matter
For real. Just because she hot it doesn't mean she's needed or important
I didn’t like Phin, only redeeming part of her was the boss fight
I thought her motives were flawed, she wanted to avenge her brother so she joined a crime organisation, gave them destructive cutting edge weapons, became its leader and blinded by anger would’ve happily blew up Harlem
Feeling so sad for herself, for the loss of her brother yet decides to attack Rio’s rally, Rio, her best friends mum! She almost got her killed, costing her best friend his mother. Causing way way way too much damage to avenge 1 person, and happily, recklessly endangering those close to her to do so, she just felt naive in her pursuit for revenge, plus we’ve already seen this motive through Mr Negative, and he was half possessed by a demon
Taskmaster was sick in the sense it felt like he was a bonus boss, the game didn’t need to give us another, but it did! Shame we haven’t seen him since, would be cool to see who his client is
Also surprised Silver Sable isn’t on here, she fills the same sorta role as Prowler in the sense that she’s trying to good, just going about it in the absolute worst way possible
Kraven was born to be ultimet
His motivation was weak
@@asurvivor3846are you joking kraven wiped out half of the sinister six and he almost killed Peter parker but if it wasn't for the symbiote he wouldn't survive
Kravens motivation was so good
Kraven Motivation was really good He's the definition of a warrior He didn't want to die On a sick bed with no purpose He wanted to die in a blaze of glory I mean When you have a deathly illness And when you're expected to die You're going to go out the way you want to
I hate how harry is venom. Why cant they just develop the charters more like in spectacular spider man where doctor octopus and more villains were planned and introduced long before they were villains in the show. And they could also explain why there doing evil and why they are robbing banks or doing certain things, I think they could have done better!
never make a list again PLEASE
Venom was literally the main villain and his boss fights were insane I would put him on ultimate
Bro didnt cook
Bro was baked
Bro still funny
WWWWWWW
Venom is weird for me as a villain he’s great I think as a venom it’s not good he only resembles venom with his design he doesn’t act like him
Tinkerer is my least favorite villain. She has a predictable arc, doesn't earn her boring "redemption" and has an annoying moveset. The best thing about the main villain shouldn't be they know the identity of the hero. I agree with what you say about Venom other than the fight being boring, it wasn't the best, but it was fun, at least the Peter part.
You forgot electro,where would you rank him?
He's at the end bud :) I put him in C
@@TheBossFighterz oh ok
I wanna see a Kraven DLC where we can fight Shocker, vulture, Electro and maybe Taskmaster there could be more like rhino and trying to capture sandman
I hated screwball so much, once I did her missions the first time, I never did them again
I heavily disagree with venom
Yk sure venom isn't as terrifying but tony todd did such an amazing job i just wish he got more lines but the growling after his every word gives me chills.
His boss fight i mean i get it but its interesting because you need to understand where venom is and what hes gonna do.
Like spider man 2 and 1 best story miles was ok but im glad they make game for him
Taskmaster at D is crazy
Martin Li is a Why Insomniac for me. He looked so goofy and I thought his character was really boring and his powers aren't interesting. It ruined the story of the first game for me
Nah they did Venom Great, actually Scream also
Of course It's clear that they put Venom in a low position, because everyone wants the same old Venom, it's incredible, the classic, yes, for sure, but it seems that when it's something different from the norm, it's shit
In my opinion the villains are decent at worst my ranking goes decent,good,great,amazing
Bro I am so sick of hearing people say the level where you play as Venom is the best thing in the game. It's so bare bones and basic, you have like 3 moves and fight the oscorp guards and the Hunters the exact same way. Only thing I like about the level is when you fight Kraven and THAT is only cuz Kraven is the best thing in SM2. Take away the novelty and it's literally nothing.
I do respect opinions but I feel that the judgement of Venom was a bit harsh. I do wish Venom had more screen time than Kraven and his boss was a bit lacking but I love Venom in Spiderman 2 and I hope we get Carnage as the main villain in the next game.
The Venom part of the story is where it goes downhill in my opinion. I loved the beginning of the game with Kraven but didn't like Venom at all.
And I hope this game I'd the last time Harry Osborn is ever Venom in any media.
Bro, every villain in Spider-man 2 was massively under-developed, including black suit spider man.
black suit Spider-Man had incredible moments. I wish it was a bit longer but it was really well done
Nah Venom was sick in Spider Man 2 he just didnt have as much screentime as opposed to Kraven
Venom was underdeveloped he has like 40 mins of screen time while Lizard has 1 hr ish Kraven should have had better bosses. Worst bosses best villain in the series but wasted potential. Wish that image of Peter and Miles fighting Kraven and his goons was a actual boss and Venom too
the bosses are all amazing
Same... tbh I think that was originally the plan, because we did see gameplay in the leaks that feels more in line with the promotional art we saw. I think they cut it because they were going for more of a emotional, grounded approach instead. Idk...
I don't think lizard was in it for THAT long I mean scorpion only had 7 minutes
Rhinos not amazing not terrible so let's put him in the amazing category
what about electro
Strange ranking IMO but for black cat in S you are getting a like
I think the comments are being way too harsh on you here. First of all, it's an opinion. Second of all, sure, maybe sometimes what he says about the characters doesn't line up with where he places them, but for the most part I am in agreeance. Venom fucking sucked dude. One of the most disappointing villains I've seen in any game I've ever played. Sure, he's fun to play as, and he is rendered very well, but beyond that, I think it's an uncompelling, BORING villain. There is genuinely not much I'd change around from his final list myself. I also think the video was made very well, so kudos for that.
Except for Tinkerer. I agree with the hate around Tinkerer. She sucked.
Electro aint there
what about electro? :(
24:39 the hell Resident Evil Village doing here?
Who let bro cook😭🙏
And Sandman Lizard and Mr Negative top 3 bosses
Gotta love them all, especially the Lizard!
Im not sure if it counts but in the prequel comic to the second game peter and miles fight tarantula
Where’s electro
Kraven, Doc Ock and Venom are top 3 best Insomniac Spider Man villains
For the Ultomate tier it should have been Kraven, Doc Ock, Venom (or in Amazing tier) and Mr Negative and maybe Symbiote Peter
Amazing tier should be Venom and Tinkerer
Vulture and Hammerhead could have been higher.
Black Cat doesn't count as a villain since she is an Anti hero
The rest are spot on
Thanks bro, love your rankings, they're all incredible! I only put Black Cat on there just to be thorough, but I can see where you're coming from. Hammerheads the only one I disagree with, because I just hate the direction Insomniac took with him lol
@@TheBossFighterz I don't know, the direction for Hammerhead seems fine I guess. Just played the DLC again btw
Venom and Tombstone should be higher.
Doc Ock and Li are still the best ones either Kraven coming close
Bro was high when making this list. (No like, actually.)
Where is electro ??? Someone trapped him in there basement
He also forgot silver sable from the Spider-Man 1 dlc
You have to redo this list again
I most definitely will when SM3 comes out. There's a lot of mistakes made here.
This list is pretty good
Did bro put scorpion in OKAY AND SAY ELECTROS DESIGN IS GOOD? WHAT THE F--
You forgot silver sable
This was a good video only part that messed u up was showing where u put all the villains early its kinda like u spoiled the experience which made the video hard to enjoy respectfully
Mysterio is in far from home just to let you know
as a spiderman fan you have some questionable takes
no shot kraven js got put in b tier
NAHHHHHH venom in C☠️
You forgot to include electro
Bro what is this goofy ahh list💀
And carnage better nahhhhh
the only good ranking was the black suit spider man battle my lorrrrrrd and mysterio is in far from home, not no way home
I respect your opinion but idk man this list is pretty bad in my opinion
Worst tier list i have ever seen
I think you missed electro
I wasn’t crazy I knew he missed him
He's at the end if you check the chapters
This is truly the worst list of all time… your opinion tho i respect it lol. Also, why does it sound like you’re laughing after every single sentence? ctfu
Bet bro like my edits
never rate again
Black cat is a thug she is not ultimate
No offence but ur rankings r bad
Your lost pal
Phin is terrible
200th comment
this list is genuinely horrible
Fr screwball annoying bro
Genuinely awful list bro.
@@XxD0m We all gotta take a couple L's in our lives man :)
@@TheBossFighterz Respect. I’ve had worse L’s.
I still like watching your stuff ❤️
TheBossFighter, You're awesome! Let's be friends and play together!
Of course man, my psn is doodyfitfats
@@TheBossFighterzbro why is that your name??😂