Gotta go Scorpion. There's so many great ones, but the Scorpion needs for people in his corner. I think the best way to put it is that he was venom before venom, the superior spider-man before superior spider-man. He was one of the first dark mirrors of Spider-man. J. Jonah Jameson created him because scorpions are natural predators of spiders. He's stronger than Spider-man, faster, he can climb walls, he even had a scorpion sense a couple times. It's no wonder why he eventually became venom.
I kinda see what he means but with all respect to the great and late Stan Lee I see Goblin as "the opposite" of Spider-Man. (Peter Parker is a genuinely good and humble person with some minimal flaws and a good, albeit poor, upbringing, who has powers he didn't want forced on him and he chose to use those powers for the benefit of others due to a moral obligation and a lesson taught by his Uncle Ben soon before his death, making it act almost as if it were his final wish. And of course, Peter is a good enough person that even when his heroism goes unrewarded, or even messes with his personal life, 99 times out of 100 he will remain steadfast to Uncle Bens advice and uphold the morals that Spider-Man represents. While Norman Osborn is a victim of child abuse who grew to become an emotionally abusive father and a corrupt businessman with a vast fortune, and the more power he got the more power he craved, so much so that he purposely gave himself powers to match Spider-Mans (not with Spider-Man in mind), sometimes at the cost of his sanity and sometimes already being insane and well adjusted to fitting in with society. His Goblin persona allows him to show the most evil parts of himself. And he first became the Goblin to take over the criminal empire of New York and attain more power and wealth. Green Goblin stands in opposition of everything Spider-Man stands for. Good and bad, dark and light, up and down, wrong and right. Doctor Octopus acts as someone who can also easily defeat Spider-Man in a fight, but is his intellectual equal/superior (depending on how smart Peter really is, idk) Doctors Octopus is Spider-Mans **smartest** foe in my book. And that MEANS SOMETHING. (Also, if you're wondering my thoughts on Venom, Venom is the dark reflection of Peter Parker/Spider-Man in the mirror. What Spider-Man would have become if he were not so noble.)
Paul is just a tool, the real monsters are the writers, getting mad at Paul is like getting mad at the fun that was used to shot at uncle Ben instead of at the man who pulled the trigger
I love Venom because he was never really a villain. He was a Villian purely to Spider-Man. His entire existence was focused around making Peter Parker suffer, even at the cost of those around him. He doesn’t really have higher goals or motivations outside of tormenting Pete. He seems evil because all our original interactions with him are through the Spider-Man lense. Other than that, he’s fine
I think Lizard is INCREDIBLY underrated and deserves to be in the discussion for at least the top four. Not only is he by far one of spidey's strongest opponents outside of the symbiote bros, but he's also got that personal connection with Curt Connors being his friend, making him more of a tragic character. Such a shame he's been in nothing good recently, to the point that nobody really cares about him anymore, which is a bigger tragedy than Curt Conner's predicament.
Lizard is just not as versatile as other spidey villains, like his arc always end with him cured and some kind of trauma from the stuff he did while transformed so if he gets overused he can become stale really quick
@JH0207 that's something you can say for a lot of other great villains like Mr Freeze, Harley Quinn, and possibly even Venom. Like some of those villains, I think there's still room for potential growth if the writers would just stick to something like how he could overall evolve or mutate to be more sentient and be a potential ally, but other potential consequences could derive from that. Also, because he's been pretty underutilized in media recently, the chances of him becoming stale quick is lower since they'd rather use other villains instead.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile When I was writing the original comment, I was initially gonna draw a comparison to Mr. Freeze and Bane specifically. I feel both of those guys have been victims of having one character defining story and writers don’t really know what to do with them after. I honestly think Lizard should get killed off or shelved for a long time but in a super tragic way. Maybe the mutation completely takes over and we watch as Curt gradually loses what little humanity he has left and he goes full animal (potentially kills a bunch of people) so he has to get locked up for a while in like a cage at the raft and if the writers wanna start using him again they can explore the guilt Curt is punished with in like a super tragic one shot. Or they could make him an anti hero hulk like figure who has some venom adjacent lethality, which could put him at odds with other NYC heroes
@@JH0207I kinda feel like SHED abd the following story is pretty much the story you're describing. Kurt lizard off goes off the deep end and Kills his son, then evolves into a much more powerful form that cannot just control reptiles but make regular humans act on their base animalistic impulses. Spidermans fairly outmatched and can't properly cure him but actually males the lizard ego start to feel shame for killing Connors kid and he retreats into obscurity. It's a really awesome story not just because of how much of an imposing threat lizard's become, but it also forces spiderman and the reader to face this question about the nature of people and what we'e capable of. It makes the lizard ego more than this condition Connors is afflicted with, but this sentient personification of atavism. Though in any case, perhaps they continued using the lizard in stories far too soon after that one? I don't think it's as perilous of a writing matter as it've been made to be. So long as the Lizard persona if left smart enough ti make a diverse set of schemes, and Isn't be able to be turned back into Connors in the convenience of an issue I think there's plenty of potential of confronting him in fights and in moral dihlemas.
He didn’t kill Barbara to be fair and Jason came back so while it’s bad, like really bad, it’s not quite on the same level. Batman and the Joker also didn’t have a personal relationship, and were enemies from the get go. Also the Joker was actually evil where as Norman was purely insane in the early days having a Banner/Hulk relationship with the Goblin. This makes it a bit less emotionally complicated for Bruce than it is for Peter.
Barbara and Jason were heroes, his sidekicks. They knew the risks and who they were going rooftop to rooftop with from the jump. Spidey’s people? All civilians. Completely unprepared. They don’t even know why this is happening or that they have a connection to Spider-Man. And the reason writers keep trying to one up each other in the race to fuck over Peter Parker so his heinousness knows no bounds
@@thedukeofchutney468 he didn't kill her but he paralyzed her in front of her dad, took lewd pictures of her while lying bleeding out on the floor, then forced her dad (while already physically torturing him), to watch it all. To be fair, Green Goblin HAS probably done worse personal stuff to Peter than Joker to Batman; but no way has he done worse in general.
@@yosefcitron5253 Agreed, the joker has done worse stuff in general, however, most of this wasn’t personal. It’s just the Joker being a sick POS. The Goblin’s entire mission is to torment Peter. The Joker wants to “play” with Batman, and if possible, get him on his side, the Green Goblin pretty much just wants to emotionally torment Peter for no greater purpose than he hates him. Seriously Norman is on almost Eobard Thawn levels of hate.
@@OfficialEditor2094 Nothing more gay than “rap beef”. Grown men writing songs about each other - each giving the other backshots would still be less gay
I dont understand ock thats why I dont really connect with him like why is he evil again? I know some interpretations the arms control him or his brain gets fried but i just dont get it
I think at this point, Venom has spent too much time being an antihero/superhero to fit the mold of being Spidey's greatest enemy. But he certainly benefitted from Norman being dead for a long time. In the grand scheme of things, nobody's hurt Peter Parker as much as the Goblin has.
@@thegreatacolyt1277 venom has a redemption arc in the 90s animated series, unlimited, and was going to have one in spectacular. And in the ps1 game he’s a straight up good guy, web of shadows also brings up that he’s supposed to be an anti hero but the symbiote took over
@user-rc2ww7hh6i the ps1 game is straight up just the comics. No he didn't have one in the 90s series Eddie did and the actual plans for spectaculer said by the maker himself was to make him the MAIN badguy and idk about unlimited. All I'm saying is he's most of the time a villain and when he is hes a far better more interesting and better written character
The scene where Peter comes back and Green Goblin immediately knows it's him is one of my favorite scenes in all of comics, it proves that Gobby is his arch enemy
My favorite is Herman Schultz. After building vibrational blast gauntlets with scraps in a prison workshop, you'd think he'd become some dark parallel to Iron Man but... no. He's just the Shocker. He's pragmatic to a fault--he just wants money, not vengeance or world domination. But, because he has no real aspirations beyond robbing banks, his tech has limits and he never pushes himself. He's a loser but he's not a maniac, and I like those sort of 9-to-5 professional types (Taskmaster is another villain I love, and Flash's Rogues)
Don’t forget the time he outright beat venom in a fight, was getting away with the money excitedly yelling about opening a cat sanctuary, and then he was hit by a car.
@@fromthethirdplanet Yeah but to be honest, he's quite a hard character to do live action I think. There are ways to do him - like the comic where he blacked out New York to make a message in the lights for people to see - but as soon as he appears, he's wearing quilts. He'd look goofy. And if they tech him up too much, like Rhino in ASM2, then he's no longer Shocker. 🤷♂️ The MCU got away with it just but he wouldn't have enough main event status in that form to be a major player. Shame though as I'd love to hear Spidey tell him he can't escape him. 😇
@@JeremiahEcks777 yeah you are right (you have a fantastic profile by the way), the quilt would look a bit weird in life action (knowing Marvel they’d probably CGI it). I’m just a bit sad that they butchered two of my favorite comic book characters (Shocker and Montana/ Montana Shocker) in one movie.
My favorite personally has always been shocker not because of the memes but because he's just normal dude and he legit puts spiderman on the back foot pretty consistently
Nah GG is to Marvel what Joker is to DC, but Doc Ock is to Spider-Man as Joker is to batman. A pure ideological opposite, someone whose mere existence shows the cracks in the Spider-Man's beliefs
Kingpin as a Spider-man villain is something I always love. But I'm personally more with the idea of him being the Thanos of street level heroes. Every street level hero is gonna have to go up against him one way or another. Hence I always feel his potential is not explored as much as it could when he's focused on defeating a single hero. Just my opinion on it ofcourse.
Short answer: Venom: Arch Rival (Similar to Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy) Dr Octopus: Arch Nemesis (Peter's opposite in a scientific genius with powers also based on an animal with 8 appendages) Green Goblin: Arch Enemy (Norman Osborn is the greatest enemy to Peter Parker and has caused more personal trauma to him than any other villain. Their battles are always personal.) Also, I'm going to add this: Green Goblin was the first villain to discover Spider-Man's secret identity. That was long before Gwen's death and I personally think that should count as the first thing he has done to Peter.
As a Venom fan it's still so funny to me that alot of spider-man fans think Venom is spider-man's nemesis even though he really doesn't do anything significant to peter like even a character like kraven who with last hunt affected Peter's life more . To me the reason i love Venom ( eddie brock) is because deep down he is a pathetic loser who blames others for his own faults but slowly over the years he realises that he is a kinda fucked up and tries to improve everyday , he is pretty complex character and its sad that alot of adaptations just don't explore that besides 90s show and even just doesn't put eddie in his own story
I agree with you. When they mentioned that villains are often dark reflections of their heroes during the venom segment, I thought they were going to say that he was like if Peter never learned to take responsibility for his actions from Uncle Ben.
Eddie Brock is the only real Venom. I didn’t buy the Spider-Man 2 game cause they went with Harry’s Venom which is a lame version. Brock embodies the best Venom and is the one that actually gives depth to the character instead of the other hosts who bond with the symbiote accidentally just for it to throw them out and discard them to eventually go back to Brock who is its perfect match aside from Spider-Man himself.
I still think of the Lego superheroes Venom transformation animation almost everyday. Just him freaking out and ripping himself in half just for a massive version to emerge is so awesome.
Otto Octavius since: 1) he is a real threat: In Amazing Spider-Man comic before Ock's first appearance Spidey beat regular criminals and wondered if he will ever face worthy opponent and ock appeared. 2) he smashed Aunt May 3) he STOLE PETER'S LIFE AND BODY AND MADE HIM A MILLIONAIRE.
Rhino has always been my favourite Spider-Man villain visually and narratively. A true antithesis of Spider-Man’s brain with overwhelming brawn. Rhino also strongly represents the tragic nature of many Spider-Man’s villains, where great power does not manifest into great responsibility. Rhino is also super nostalgic for me as he was the first villain I ever saw Spiderman face off against in the 1960’s tv run that played on my retro tv channel. Edit: Honestly though spidey’s got one of the best rogues galleries of all time. He’s got a bunch of phenomenal villains.
Him and Batman both have the best rogues galleries in their respective brands. It's a big part of why they're the two most popular heroes. A hero is only as good as his villain, afterall.
I ask this without humor and with true sincerity, I want a comic panel with She-Hulk clutching Spider-Man and fending off editorial pencils ✏️. “Leave him alone!”
Well now that you mention it, Hulk and bruce have been having their own tough time lately...arguably a lot worse than what spidermans been going through actually!
I was watching 2002 Spider-Man last night and the line from the green goblin on the bridge made me realize that Norman really is his arch enemy. "Spider-Man, this is why only fools are heroes. Because you never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice. Let die the woman you love, or suffer the innocent children." Then he immediately follows up with the line " We are who we choose to be. " And he just chooses to be the sadistic psychopath.
My personal favorite Spider-Man villain has got to be carnage. I'm just a big fan of one dimensional pure evil villains and carnage fits that bill perfectly. I mean, the man threw a baby out of a window as a distraction. Allow me to repeat myself, HE. THREW. A. BABY. OUT. OF. A. WINDOW. AS. A. DISTRACTION!
This is why I consider Spidey's rogue gallery slightly better than Batman's. Batman's #1 villain is Joker, but you can argue Spidey's #1 villain is either Green Goblin, Venom or Dr Octapus.
Green Goblin is easily the best Spider-Man villain. Take Joker's crazy, Reverse-Flash's pettiness and Lex Luthor's money and combine into one. It's just entertaining to what all the crazy shit Green Goblin comes up with to make Pete's life worse. Plus, if a writer gets stuck in the writer's block or don't know how to finish a storyline (see Clone Saga). It's easy to just say Norman did. He hooked up with Harry's girlfriend and in a "What If" story unintentionally unalived himself by erasing his abusive father from history. Jackal is also a great villain, albeit a very confusing one.
18:06 I'm fairly confident that once Pete gets back into his body after Doc, he jokes about Goblin's "Man purse" and he INSTANTLY knows Peter's back. That's next level hate.
Venom has always been my favorite villain for one simple reason, some muggers could be robbing a lady for her purse and he'd show up to help her, but god forbid if spider-man swung by he'd fucking drop that lady from a building top to get spider-man 😂
Alot of people considered The Death of Gwen as the End of the Silver Age and not necessarily the Bronze age. However, it will always stand as a great and tragic moment in comics. Damn Norman! Also Norm being behind the clone saga was bogus. Even the original( when getting fired) writer urged the staff to not blame Norman...which Marvel blamed anyway. Damn exec's...
I actually have a good idea I think the comic lads could pull off nicely: What would we do if we ran Sony? This is a list of projects I’d consider doing: 1)Spectacular Spider-Man season 3-4 2) Spiderman 2099 Movie 3)Venom Vs. Spiderman with AG 4)Animated Peter Parker Series (older man with daughter) 5)Animated Spider-Gwen(from spiderverse) spin off movie
@@comiclads def a fair answer. I think I’d be nervous to give the rights over to Marvel knowing that Disney would own them. I’d have to give it a shot at a few spidey movies to see if any of them have potential
Green Goblin will always be my favorite Spidey nemesis because... I freaking love goblins. So I'm very partial but inbetween classic issue, Dafoe performance and Ultimate Green Goblin who I thought was lame until I read the comics to discover a terrifying Villain... GG is kind of legit. Spectacular Spider-Man Goblin was to me the only one who really managed to find a sweet spot where his design feel not too ridiculous. It's hard to pin down his character inbetween personnality disorder or master manipulator the line got blurred but it kind of add to the mystique. Problem is that it's very hard to make the "whodunit" aspect of this character that was one of his original appeal nowadays, Spectacular is the only medium where they really got mileage out of this mistery appart from the comics. It's kind of lame they have done the goblin storyline so many times in the comics with a new goblin everytime they want to lean in the "whodunit" aspect again. Most of later goblin actually have better design than the original yet they feel redundant appart from Harry.
Depsite being Spidermans nemesis… Goblin has rarely appeared as a major villain in any of the video games until recently with the 3rd insomniac game. It’s for this reason that I think venom is mistaken by the general audience for being his nemesis
I agree with that Superior Spider-Man take..... That story is literally my FAVORITE Spider-Man story... And I'm from the old school...... Liked and subscribed....👍🇹🇹
The Gwen stuff was all retcon it was Mysterio messing with his mind, honestly now I think about they kinda did the same stuff with Paul and Mj yeah Paul it’s him he’s Spider Man Nemesis
That’s such a great point about how Green Goblin is not even a great villain because he’s so over the top. His antics are so blatantly done just to be off putting to the reader, rather than be impactful to the actual character he’s supposed to be antagonizing. Like selling his son’s soul to the devil for no reason lmao
green goblin = joker for spiderman Venom = somewhat like Bane for spiderman resembles Dark knight batman bane trained in shadow stuff that batman was trained in.
My favorite is Venom, him appearing as this dark spider man who knows everything about Peter's life and is immune to his spider sense makes him so intimidating
The Green Goblin = The Arch Nemesis. The complete opposite of both Peter Parker and Spider-Man. Venom = The rival turned "Evil Spider-Man" turned friendly rival Eddie brock was his work rival Then Venom as a villain acted as a dark reflection of Spider-Man in the mirror, what he would have become if he were evil. Then as an Anti-Hero Venom tries to beat Spider-Man at his own game Venom is also harder to defeat than the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus put together. Doctor Octopus = the smartest foe of Spider-Man. His intellectual superior and is harder to defeat in a fight that most of Spider-Mans rogues gallery. Spider-Man has trouble out-thinking another genius which makes stories with him as the villain more engaging.
Eddie was never his work rival, that's something the 90s show pulled out of its ass like pretty much everything involving the symbiote making Peter evil and stronger. Eddie never met Peter prior to becoming Venom, hell, he never even met him as Spider-Man either. He fits the anti-Peter role because unlike Peter, who takes responsability to heart and accepts his mistakes and tries to be better, Eddie just screwed up at his job, got fired and decided to blame all his issues to someone else instead of accepting that he screwed up, that's it. He is the mirror in the sense that unlike Peter, he truly is responsible for his own wrongs but instead of owning up to them, he chose to blame literally someone that has never even met him. He was honestly kind of lackluster and pathetic at times during his time as a supervillain and was mostly just an annoyance manchild to Peter rather than a rival. Also, no Otto isn't Peter's smartest foe. Norman is, he himself has been outsmarted and outdoned by Norman in terms of intellect that it's pretty much untrue to say that Otto is Peter's smartest enemy. Also no, Peter doesn't have trouble with outsmarting geniuses, he has outsmarted geniuses that pick a bone with Reed Richards himself since he was 15. And while Otto is indeed an actual itellectual rival to Peter, Otto himself has admitted that Peter is objectively superior to him in every way, intellect included. That was actually the whole point of Superior to begin with All the while, Norman is just objectively Peter's greatest enemy. No one has hurt Pter like Norman, no one has challenged his moral, intellect more than Norman, no one has pushed Peter as much as Norman and no one has been shown to be as evil as Norman. Even Carnaged made a perfect bond with Norman because of how evil he is
The top tier clearly only contains the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, and Venom…. I think Marvel editorial wants it to be Green Goblin… but it probably depends on what era they grew up in… 60’s probably thinks Green Goblin, 70’s probably thinks Doc Ock, the 80’s is actually maybe Hobgoblin? 90’s is Venom… 2000-present is probably Green Goblin (except for Doc Ock’s Superior run) unless you count Joe Quesada and Marvel editorial
Norman just fits thematically with Peter's story and character in a way that the other villains just don't. Norman is kind of like the cool dad figure that share's Peter's interests and could be a guide for Peter but of course, he's evil. If Peter decided to follow his guide he'd be taken down the wrong path.
Its 100% Green Goblin BUT him, venom and doc ock all work as main antagonists to a spiderman saga. If you want to have Peter Parker tested, use Goblin. If you want to have spiderman tested, use Doc Ock. If you want to have morality tested, use Venom. All three attack a different aspect of the character which is why they all work so well.
The personal ties between Norman and Peter make him his arch nemesis in my eyes. He’s Harry’s Dad, so Peter spent a lot of time around him throughout his life. Someone he probably viewed as a father figure at one time. Plus his actions have had more effect on Peter’s life than any other villain. He killed Gwen.
A way to make Cletus more interesting is that he can see killing people as a way to save them from the pain and evils of life which in turn could reflect Peter near obsession of saving every life including his enemies. Carnage will view life as a plague, death as the cure and himself as the doctor.
@@edwind8071villains dont needa be super deep for them to be great, whats so great about the joker, hes the most basic villain yet people swear hes the greatest, and why is that? its not cuz of his character its cuz of his moments and impact he has on batman, carnage is the same just for venom and spider-man
Doctor Octopus IS Spider-Man's greatest villain, while Green Goblin IS Peter Parker's arch nemesis. Come to think of it, Doc Ock has always been about besting Spidey, and being more superior than him. While Goblin has always been about trying to destroy Peter, and making his life a living hell, his one and only mission/obsession in life.
Regarding Venom. Venom is Spider-Man's darker reflection. He is more about challenging Spider-Man's worldview and demonstrating Spidey's darkest desires.
The comics have framed Goblin as Peter's greatest adversary with Doc right behind him and venom right after that. Venom is the most beloved by far, but has danced with the anti hero gimmick for too long to be considered his greatest villian. Goblin on the other hand is such a perfect foil to peter that in the superior spider man run a comic run focused on when doc took over Peter's body, he literally relinquished it back to Peter's control because goblin was too crazy and realized the only one who could stop goblin was Spiderman.
My favourite villain is Doc Ock, has been ever since I watched Spider-Man 2. His backstory mirrors Peter’s, he’s as much a intellectual threat as well as physical one with the arms, the character growth from the Superior run and the pure iconography of a Spider-Man vs Doctor Octopus fight, he’s just awesome.
While Carnage definitely isn’t Spider man’s arch enemy, I do think he’s the most unhinged and dangerous. While Norman kind of plays these mind games with Spider man traumatizing him and stuff, Carnage doesn’t give a damn about Spider man and just kills for the sheer pleasure of it. He didn’t like this one guys name and just killed him because of it 😭
You're completely forgetting that Spider-Man's creator, Steve Ditko, established Doctor Octopus as his main villain. If This Be My Destiny, is Spider-Man's most important comicbook. That's the story that defined the character and cemented Otto's relationship with Peter for the years to come. Ock is Superior to Spidey, he's always one step ahead. He's also the leader and founder of the Sinister Six and the first villlain who overcame Peter easily and unmasked him. He's also responsible of the death of Liz Allen's brother, which caused Peter and her to part ways and caused him to reflect on Ben's words for the first time.
Kind of funny that all of the characters discussed in the video are basically fighting for the title of big bad in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon. Well, they couldn't use Kingpin because of rights issues, so they took Tombstone and pretty much made him Kingpin in all but name.
The comparison at the end between Joker and Goblin is exactly how I feel. Green Goblin may be Spider Man's greatest enemy, but Doc Ock is a FAR better character.
Maybe not his apex enemy, but my favorite is Kraven. As a kid, DeMatteis and Zeck really sucked me into the character and he has been a favorite ever since. In my book, a close second is early Venom (Michelinie/McFarlane - Larsen). That version of the character is just downright dark and scary. I absolutely agree that the Superior Spider-Man storyline propels Doc Ock to the top of the list. I remember during that two year run, so many people were pissed off. Fans at the LCS all talking about how they ruined SpiderMan. It was so weird but this story, and how it played out, truly affected people (and not just the fans). There were articles in the newspapers about it. Looking back now, this was a very compelling story by Dan Slott (only thing he has done that I really like) and an excellent use of Doc Ock’s character, which cements him at the top of the food chain, regarding spider foes.
honestly, venoms my favorite character in comic history so i love seeing him get a redemption arc. i hope they give carnage more attention and give him Venom’s old arch-nemesis role.
When Spider-Man and Batman teamed up in one of the DC/Marvel crossovers, it was Carnage that teamed up with Joker, wasn't it? So that's my vote. It's an unusual pick because there's nothing particularly personal between them, but if the writers of the crossover thought Carnage was a good match for Joker while Batman and Spider-Man were teamed up, they must've had some reason to not choose the Goblin.
I'm ngl my favorite Spider-Man villian is Spider-Carnage. When I was watching the 90s animated series. Just seeing a Peter Parker whose lost everything then gets corrupted by a carnage symbiote and turns the city he swore to protect and burned it to the ground. He made the Green and Hobgoblins into his henchmen. It was just cool
For those in favor of Doc Ock, even as Superior Spider-Man, he couldn't defeat Green Goblin. He had to give Peter his body back in order to take down Goblin because he realized only Peter could do it. For those in favor of Venom. He's not even a villain anymore and him and Pete are pretty much bros at this point. Green Goblin is Spider-Man's greatest enemy, period.
i love kraven because in Kravens Last Hunt its shown that his sole goal in life is killing spiderman, and when he believes that he succedes, even when proven wrong, he believes that he's finished life and there is nothing cool left to do so he youtube TOS's himself
1. Venom is everyone's favorite and becomes more of an anto hero, he also becomes a hero when he becomes Anti Venom. 2. Green Goblin plays one of the biggest roles of being his best friend/best friends dad and being the unpredictable mirror like joker. 3. Doc Ock matching his every move (Brain feats) and bevoming the superior spiderman. I would say it has to be between the 3 of them. Possibly even Kraven the hunter...
Chameleon killed Aunt May and posed as her for six months, learning about everything and everyone surrounding Spider-Man. Chameleon also posed as Peter and had sex with MJ before throwing her off the same bridge that Gwen died because he wants to be Spidey’s arch-nemesis.
My favorite is Punisher because he WAS a spiderman villain and people don’t know or remember. He actually takes care of the criminals Spider-Man leaves to re offend
Batman was stuck in an infinite loop. The Joker had 99.9% of Myxi's power. Every day. For...an unspecified amount of time. He was killed in new and creative ways. Just to be brought back the next day to do it again. The memories had to be removed from his mind because he was just SO traumatized. That being said, haven't watched the rest of the video, but. That one thing trumps a LOT of trauma.
As far as movies go it’s Green Goblin, in the comics it’s doc ock and in the animated tv shows it’s venom. For the games so far it’s looking like it’s going to be Green Goblin and Doc Ock that will have a shared role as Spider-Man’s arch enemy
I think my personal favorite villain is Venom. I was struck by the black suit in Spider-Man 3 ad went back to read the introduction of Venom and that whole grudge run was TERRIFYING
The way I've always defined "arch-nemesis" isn't the enemy that does the worst things to the hero, but the enemy who represents everything that the hero is not. So I say its Green Goblin. Peter's core is power used responsibly, and that power itself comes with responsibilities. Norman Osborn represents power used irresponsibly in everything he does. I mean everything Norman does with his power and wealth is done just because he can, not because he should or because it helps him. He does stuff just to prove he can.
Venom is my favorite Spidey villian. I'd always prefered him as a villian rather than a antihero. I also loved the Ultimate version of him as well where they showed him as some kind horror monster.
The most evil thing Goblin's ever done was get a woman who worked for him to pretend to be a waitress and drug the pregnant Mary Jane's food killing her and Peter's unborn baby.
For me, Spiderman never had one, definitive, archenemy, but a trinity of nemesis: Green Goblin; Doctor Octopus; and Venom. These are his three archenemies, they may not be the ones who have scarred him the most, but they are the one who have had the most profound impact in his development, and they usually are, at least for me, the ones he has the most interesting relationships with.
My favorite Spider-Man villain is Dr. Octopus. Green Goblin would be Spider-Man's arch-nemesis if Marvel had left him dead back in '73. Harry becoming the Goblin in '74 was a good story, but then it got ridiculous Harry's psychiatrist became the Goblin, and whatever respect I had for character went away he was retconned back to life after 20 years by a healing factor of all things.
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Gotta go Scorpion. There's so many great ones, but the Scorpion needs for people in his corner. I think the best way to put it is that he was venom before venom, the superior spider-man before superior spider-man. He was one of the first dark mirrors of Spider-man. J. Jonah Jameson created him because scorpions are natural predators of spiders. He's stronger than Spider-man, faster, he can climb walls, he even had a scorpion sense a couple times. It's no wonder why he eventually became venom.
Favourite is Doc Oc though this Goblin is probably Nemesis.
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The Green Goblin!!!
Stan Lee called Ock Spider-Man’s worst enemy and Goblin is Peter’s worst enemy.
I kinda see what he means but with all respect to the great and late Stan Lee
I see Goblin as "the opposite" of Spider-Man. (Peter Parker is a genuinely good and humble person with some minimal flaws and a good, albeit poor, upbringing, who has powers he didn't want forced on him and he chose to use those powers for the benefit of others due to a moral obligation and a lesson taught by his Uncle Ben soon before his death, making it act almost as if it were his final wish. And of course, Peter is a good enough person that even when his heroism goes unrewarded, or even messes with his personal life, 99 times out of 100 he will remain steadfast to Uncle Bens advice and uphold the morals that Spider-Man represents. While Norman Osborn is a victim of child abuse who grew to become an emotionally abusive father and a corrupt businessman with a vast fortune, and the more power he got the more power he craved, so much so that he purposely gave himself powers to match Spider-Mans (not with Spider-Man in mind), sometimes at the cost of his sanity and sometimes already being insane and well adjusted to fitting in with society. His Goblin persona allows him to show the most evil parts of himself. And he first became the Goblin to take over the criminal empire of New York and attain more power and wealth. Green Goblin stands in opposition of everything Spider-Man stands for. Good and bad, dark and light, up and down, wrong and right.
Doctor Octopus acts as someone who can also easily defeat Spider-Man in a fight, but is his intellectual equal/superior (depending on how smart Peter really is, idk)
Doctors Octopus is Spider-Mans **smartest** foe in my book. And that MEANS SOMETHING.
(Also, if you're wondering my thoughts on Venom, Venom is the dark reflection of Peter Parker/Spider-Man in the mirror. What Spider-Man would have become if he were not so noble.)
Yeah i guess@@curtisleblanc5897
He said that before venom was created and before spectaculer came out
@@curtisleblanc5897guy disagreeing with the man who created these characters
@@dominiquewilsonSpider-Man is 60 years old. Stan Lee was a writer for 8. His opinion stopped being ABSOLUTE a long while ago.
His greatest villain is Paul. 😂
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Paul is just a tool, the real monsters are the writers, getting mad at Paul is like getting mad at the fun that was used to shot at uncle Ben instead of at the man who pulled the trigger
@@SuperKiobi13 I know, but Paul is actually in the story. Also, I hear he's based on the writer.
Agreed
green goblin is spider-man’s arch enemy the same way joker is for batman or lex luthor for superman you can’t argue this
You can tho
@@thegreatacolyt1277I agree, Doc Ock is up there. You can argue between those two.
@@10199ULTRAMATIC and venom
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@@thegreatacolyt1277 nah, venom is more of a anti hero now
I love Venom because he was never really a villain. He was a Villian purely to Spider-Man. His entire existence was focused around making Peter Parker suffer, even at the cost of those around him. He doesn’t really have higher goals or motivations outside of tormenting Pete. He seems evil because all our original interactions with him are through the Spider-Man lense. Other than that, he’s fine
Carnage is better
@@dariuschisholm7317different foils to Spider-Man
@@achimpanzee9210 obviously
@@dariuschisholm7317 then there’s no merit in saying Carnage is better then
@@achimpanzee9210 huh
I think Lizard is INCREDIBLY underrated and deserves to be in the discussion for at least the top four. Not only is he by far one of spidey's strongest opponents outside of the symbiote bros, but he's also got that personal connection with Curt Connors being his friend, making him more of a tragic character. Such a shame he's been in nothing good recently, to the point that nobody really cares about him anymore, which is a bigger tragedy than Curt Conner's predicament.
I agree. Lizard is top 4 without a doubt.
Lizard is just not as versatile as other spidey villains, like his arc always end with him cured and some kind of trauma from the stuff he did while transformed so if he gets overused he can become stale really quick
@JH0207 that's something you can say for a lot of other great villains like Mr Freeze, Harley Quinn, and possibly even Venom. Like some of those villains, I think there's still room for potential growth if the writers would just stick to something like how he could overall evolve or mutate to be more sentient and be a potential ally, but other potential consequences could derive from that. Also, because he's been pretty underutilized in media recently, the chances of him becoming stale quick is lower since they'd rather use other villains instead.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile When I was writing the original comment, I was initially gonna draw a comparison to Mr. Freeze and Bane specifically. I feel both of those guys have been victims of having one character defining story and writers don’t really know what to do with them after. I honestly think Lizard should get killed off or shelved for a long time but in a super tragic way. Maybe the mutation completely takes over and we watch as Curt gradually loses what little humanity he has left and he goes full animal (potentially kills a bunch of people) so he has to get locked up for a while in like a cage at the raft and if the writers wanna start using him again they can explore the guilt Curt is punished with in like a super tragic one shot. Or they could make him an anti hero hulk like figure who has some venom adjacent lethality, which could put him at odds with other NYC heroes
@@JH0207I kinda feel like SHED abd the following story is pretty much the story you're describing. Kurt lizard off goes off the deep end and Kills his son, then evolves into a much more powerful form that cannot just control reptiles but make regular humans act on their base animalistic impulses. Spidermans fairly outmatched and can't properly cure him but actually males the lizard ego start to feel shame for killing Connors kid and he retreats into obscurity.
It's a really awesome story not just because of how much of an imposing threat lizard's become, but it also forces spiderman and the reader to face this question about the nature of people and what we'e capable of. It makes the lizard ego more than this condition Connors is afflicted with, but this sentient personification of atavism.
Though in any case, perhaps they continued using the lizard in stories far too soon after that one? I don't think it's as perilous of a writing matter as it've been made to be. So long as the Lizard persona if left smart enough ti make a diverse set of schemes, and Isn't be able to be turned back into Connors in the convenience of an issue I think there's plenty of potential of confronting him in fights and in moral dihlemas.
“He’s giving joker a run for his money,Joker has not done these types of things”
Jason Todd and Barbra gordan:what’dyou mean by that?”
He didn’t kill Barbara to be fair and Jason came back so while it’s bad, like really bad, it’s not quite on the same level. Batman and the Joker also didn’t have a personal relationship, and were enemies from the get go. Also the Joker was actually evil where as Norman was purely insane in the early days having a Banner/Hulk relationship with the Goblin. This makes it a bit less emotionally complicated for Bruce than it is for Peter.
i mean did joker bang a love interest
Barbara and Jason were heroes, his sidekicks. They knew the risks and who they were going rooftop to rooftop with from the jump. Spidey’s people? All civilians. Completely unprepared. They don’t even know why this is happening or that they have a connection to Spider-Man. And the reason writers keep trying to one up each other in the race to fuck over Peter Parker so his heinousness knows no bounds
@@thedukeofchutney468 he didn't kill her but he paralyzed her in front of her dad, took lewd pictures of her while lying bleeding out on the floor, then forced her dad (while already physically torturing him), to watch it all. To be fair, Green Goblin HAS probably done worse personal stuff to Peter than Joker to Batman; but no way has he done worse in general.
@@yosefcitron5253 Agreed, the joker has done worse stuff in general, however, most of this wasn’t personal. It’s just the Joker being a sick POS. The Goblin’s entire mission is to torment Peter. The Joker wants to “play” with Batman, and if possible, get him on his side, the Green Goblin pretty much just wants to emotionally torment Peter for no greater purpose than he hates him. Seriously Norman is on almost Eobard Thawn levels of hate.
Doc Ock is his greatest enemy but Gobby is his biggest opp I dunno how else to explain it
Honestly couldn’t put it better ourselves, Norman is a generational hater
@@comiclads LOL just like the beef between Lamar and Drake XD
@@OfficialEditor2094
Nothing more gay than “rap beef”. Grown men writing songs about each other - each giving the other backshots would still be less gay
I dont understand ock thats why I dont really connect with him like why is he evil again? I know some interpretations the arms control him or his brain gets fried but i just dont get it
Haha! @@shanestephens4728
I think at this point, Venom has spent too much time being an antihero/superhero to fit the mold of being Spidey's greatest enemy. But he certainly benefitted from Norman being dead for a long time.
In the grand scheme of things, nobody's hurt Peter Parker as much as the Goblin has.
The things venom has done pale compared to what Norman has done tbh
Only In The comics
@@billyboleson2830depends
@@thegreatacolyt1277 venom has a redemption arc in the 90s animated series, unlimited, and was going to have one in spectacular. And in the ps1 game he’s a straight up good guy, web of shadows also brings up that he’s supposed to be an anti hero but the symbiote took over
@user-rc2ww7hh6i the ps1 game is straight up just the comics. No he didn't have one in the 90s series Eddie did and the actual plans for spectaculer said by the maker himself was to make him the MAIN badguy and idk about unlimited. All I'm saying is he's most of the time a villain and when he is hes a far better more interesting and better written character
The scene where Peter comes back and Green Goblin immediately knows it's him is one of my favorite scenes in all of comics, it proves that Gobby is his arch enemy
My favorite is Herman Schultz. After building vibrational blast gauntlets with scraps in a prison workshop, you'd think he'd become some dark parallel to Iron Man but... no. He's just the Shocker. He's pragmatic to a fault--he just wants money, not vengeance or world domination. But, because he has no real aspirations beyond robbing banks, his tech has limits and he never pushes himself. He's a loser but he's not a maniac, and I like those sort of 9-to-5 professional types (Taskmaster is another villain I love, and Flash's Rogues)
Don’t forget the time he outright beat venom in a fight, was getting away with the money excitedly yelling about opening a cat sanctuary, and then he was hit by a car.
You mean Quilt-Man?
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It’s a shame how they wasted not only one, but two shockers in the MCU.
@@fromthethirdplanet Yeah but to be honest, he's quite a hard character to do live action I think.
There are ways to do him - like the comic where he blacked out New York to make a message in the lights for people to see - but as soon as he appears, he's wearing quilts. He'd look goofy. And if they tech him up too much, like Rhino in ASM2, then he's no longer Shocker. 🤷♂️
The MCU got away with it just but he wouldn't have enough main event status in that form to be a major player.
Shame though as I'd love to
hear Spidey tell him he can't escape him. 😇
@@JeremiahEcks777 yeah you are right (you have a fantastic profile by the way), the quilt would look a bit weird in life action (knowing Marvel they’d probably CGI it). I’m just a bit sad that they butchered two of my favorite comic book characters (Shocker and Montana/ Montana Shocker) in one movie.
My favorite personally has always been shocker not because of the memes but because he's just normal dude and he legit puts spiderman on the back foot pretty consistently
I'm happy to see other people liking Shocker!
It's between Kingpin and Tombstone for my favorite.
Green Goblin is to Spider-Man as Joker is to Batman. Venom is to Spidey what Bane is to Bats
Nah GG is to Marvel what Joker is to DC, but Doc Ock is to Spider-Man as Joker is to batman. A pure ideological opposite, someone whose mere existence shows the cracks in the Spider-Man's beliefs
Yeah. And Dr octopus to spiderman is what hugo strange is to batman
Kingpin as a Spider-man villain is something I always love.
But I'm personally more with the idea of him being the Thanos of street level heroes.
Every street level hero is gonna have to go up against him one way or another.
Hence I always feel his potential is not explored as much as it could when he's focused on defeating a single hero.
Just my opinion on it ofcourse.
This part killed me. 0:58 the writing really has become more scary than the villains.
Short answer:
Venom: Arch Rival (Similar to Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy)
Dr Octopus: Arch Nemesis (Peter's opposite in a scientific genius with powers also based on an animal with 8 appendages)
Green Goblin: Arch Enemy (Norman Osborn is the greatest enemy to Peter Parker and has caused more personal trauma to him than any other villain. Their battles are always personal.)
Also, I'm going to add this: Green Goblin was the first villain to discover Spider-Man's secret identity. That was long before Gwen's death and I personally think that should count as the first thing he has done to Peter.
Really great points🔥🫡
My favorite spiderman villains are venom, kraven, and shocker
As a Venom fan it's still so funny to me that alot of spider-man fans think Venom is spider-man's nemesis even though he really doesn't do anything significant to peter like even a character like kraven who with last hunt affected Peter's life more . To me the reason i love Venom ( eddie brock) is because deep down he is a pathetic loser who blames others for his own faults but slowly over the years he realises that he is a kinda fucked up and tries to improve everyday , he is pretty complex character and its sad that alot of adaptations just don't explore that besides 90s show and even just doesn't put eddie in his own story
I agree with you. When they mentioned that villains are often dark reflections of their heroes during the venom segment, I thought they were going to say that he was like if Peter never learned to take responsibility for his actions from Uncle Ben.
Eddie Brock is the only real Venom. I didn’t buy the Spider-Man 2 game cause they went with Harry’s Venom which is a lame version. Brock embodies the best Venom and is the one that actually gives depth to the character instead of the other hosts who bond with the symbiote accidentally just for it to throw them out and discard them to eventually go back to Brock who is its perfect match aside from Spider-Man himself.
I still think of the Lego superheroes Venom transformation animation almost everyday. Just him freaking out and ripping himself in half just for a massive version to emerge is so awesome.
We all know marvel editorial is actually spideys biggest enemy
Yes.
mephisto is just editorial self insert
@@dyslexicelf9380 Yes, rather.
Bad writing too is what it is.
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Otto Octavius since:
1) he is a real threat: In Amazing Spider-Man comic before Ock's first appearance Spidey beat regular criminals and wondered if he will ever face worthy opponent and ock appeared.
2) he smashed Aunt May
3) he STOLE PETER'S LIFE AND BODY AND MADE HIM A MILLIONAIRE.
For me it's Doc Ock. Doc Ock is who Peter could have become if he didnt get his lesson of Great Responsibility
Venom is easily my favorite, but Norman is the arch enemy. Green Goblin is just a complete monster.
Also, the Norman-Gwen thing has been retconned.
What was the Norman-gwen thing about anyway?
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I mean mysterio cause Spider-Man life to be ruined tho
@@TheCosmosAboveTheStars Only in the movie.
@@deadponic117 It was not pg.
Hey fellas, where Kraven?
He’s tough, but Spider-Man holds back on kraven.
@@finchatforharambe905wait what about when kraven kills spidey and takes his place ?
@@jzapata472 He didn’t kill Spider-Man tho? He just buried him. Plus Spider-Man could probably easily kill kraven
@@finchatforharambe905 well he defeated spider-man completely to the point of being able to kill him if he wanted to, equivalent
@@bharl7226 That was one time,plus Spider-Man did the same thing to him in the new comic run
Rhino has always been my favourite Spider-Man villain visually and narratively. A true antithesis of Spider-Man’s brain with overwhelming brawn. Rhino also strongly represents the tragic nature of many Spider-Man’s villains, where great power does not manifest into great responsibility. Rhino is also super nostalgic for me as he was the first villain I ever saw Spiderman face off against in the 1960’s tv run that played on my retro tv channel.
Edit: Honestly though spidey’s got one of the best rogues galleries of all time. He’s got a bunch of phenomenal villains.
Him and Batman both have the best rogues galleries in their respective brands. It's a big part of why they're the two most popular heroes. A hero is only as good as his villain, afterall.
0/10, this video should have been a 20 minute character analysis of The Wall
I ask this without humor and with true sincerity, I want a comic panel with She-Hulk clutching Spider-Man and fending off editorial pencils ✏️. “Leave him alone!”
Well now that you mention it, Hulk and bruce have been having their own tough time lately...arguably a lot worse than what spidermans been going through actually!
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 what have they been going through, “I’m a learning current events through RUclips video guy” so I haven’t caught up
I was watching 2002 Spider-Man last night and the line from the green goblin on the bridge made me realize that Norman really is his arch enemy.
"Spider-Man, this is why only fools are heroes. Because you never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice. Let die the woman you love, or suffer the innocent children." Then he immediately follows up with the line " We are who we choose to be. " And he just chooses to be the sadistic psychopath.
My personal favorite Spider-Man villain has got to be carnage. I'm just a big fan of one dimensional pure evil villains and carnage fits that bill perfectly. I mean, the man threw a baby out of a window as a distraction. Allow me to repeat myself, HE. THREW. A. BABY. OUT. OF. A. WINDOW. AS. A. DISTRACTION!
Mine too. He's really scary. His beef with Joker in the crossover was funny though.
He's mine too btw he also freaked out the joker the freaking joker wanted nothing to do with him need I say more?
@@dariuschisholm7317 Lol. Joker liked to plan things, but Carnage just wanted chaos.
@@brandonamezquita4501 exactly
This is why I consider Spidey's rogue gallery slightly better than Batman's. Batman's #1 villain is Joker, but you can argue Spidey's #1 villain is either Green Goblin, Venom or Dr Octapus.
No way it's Venom.
There's no argument for venom.
Carnage as well.
@@brandonamezquita4501it could
Yea you’d have a better argument for kingpin over venom.
Green Goblin is easily the best Spider-Man villain. Take Joker's crazy, Reverse-Flash's pettiness and Lex Luthor's money and combine into one. It's just entertaining to what all the crazy shit Green Goblin comes up with to make Pete's life worse. Plus, if a writer gets stuck in the writer's block or don't know how to finish a storyline (see Clone Saga). It's easy to just say Norman did. He hooked up with Harry's girlfriend and in a "What If" story unintentionally unalived himself by erasing his abusive father from history.
Jackal is also a great villain, albeit a very confusing one.
18:06 I'm fairly confident that once Pete gets back into his body after Doc, he jokes about Goblin's "Man purse" and he INSTANTLY knows Peter's back. That's next level hate.
Venom has always been my favorite villain for one simple reason, some muggers could be robbing a lady for her purse and he'd show up to help her, but god forbid if spider-man swung by he'd fucking drop that lady from a building top to get spider-man 😂
15:42 nah, joker’s done absolutely deplorable things to Batman & his family 😭. Literally killed his child
Alot of people considered The Death of Gwen as the End of the Silver Age and not necessarily the Bronze age. However, it will always stand as a great and tragic moment in comics. Damn Norman! Also Norm being behind the clone saga was bogus. Even the original( when getting fired) writer urged the staff to not blame Norman...which Marvel blamed anyway. Damn exec's...
Generally it’s considered the line between the silver age and Bronze Age so it’s both Silver AND Bronze Age.
Anyone remembers Doppelganger? What a crazy character design that never gets shown or talked about.
I actually have a good idea I think the comic lads could pull off nicely: What would we do if we ran Sony?
This is a list of projects I’d consider doing:
1)Spectacular Spider-Man season 3-4
2) Spiderman 2099 Movie
3)Venom Vs. Spiderman with AG
4)Animated Peter Parker Series (older man with daughter)
5)Animated Spider-Gwen(from spiderverse) spin off movie
Short answer is we’d sell all the rights back to Marvel💀
@@comiclads def a fair answer. I think I’d be nervous to give the rights over to Marvel knowing that Disney would own them. I’d have to give it a shot at a few spidey movies to see if any of them have potential
Ohh man. Can we get Indian Spiderman to go on ventures with her? Like, spider Gwen has her show and sometimes the others show up.
@@comicladsthis is the way😂
Green Goblin will always be my favorite Spidey nemesis because... I freaking love goblins. So I'm very partial but inbetween classic issue, Dafoe performance and Ultimate Green Goblin who I thought was lame until I read the comics to discover a terrifying Villain... GG is kind of legit. Spectacular Spider-Man Goblin was to me the only one who really managed to find a sweet spot where his design feel not too ridiculous. It's hard to pin down his character inbetween personnality disorder or master manipulator the line got blurred but it kind of add to the mystique.
Problem is that it's very hard to make the "whodunit" aspect of this character that was one of his original appeal nowadays, Spectacular is the only medium where they really got mileage out of this mistery appart from the comics.
It's kind of lame they have done the goblin storyline so many times in the comics with a new goblin everytime they want to lean in the "whodunit" aspect again. Most of later goblin actually have better design than the original yet they feel redundant appart from Harry.
Depsite being Spidermans nemesis… Goblin has rarely appeared as a major villain in any of the video games until recently with the 3rd insomniac game. It’s for this reason that I think venom is mistaken by the general audience for being his nemesis
I agree with that Superior Spider-Man take..... That story is literally my FAVORITE Spider-Man story... And I'm from the old school...... Liked and subscribed....👍🇹🇹
The Gwen stuff was all retcon it was Mysterio messing with his mind, honestly now I think about they kinda did the same stuff with Paul and Mj yeah Paul it’s him he’s Spider Man Nemesis
Paul actually is the secret answer, yes
That’s such a great point about how Green Goblin is not even a great villain because he’s so over the top. His antics are so blatantly done just to be off putting to the reader, rather than be impactful to the actual character he’s supposed to be antagonizing. Like selling his son’s soul to the devil for no reason lmao
green goblin = joker for spiderman
Venom = somewhat like Bane for spiderman resembles Dark knight batman bane trained in shadow stuff that batman was trained in.
My favorite is Venom, him appearing as this dark spider man who knows everything about Peter's life and is immune to his spider sense makes him so intimidating
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The Green Goblin = The Arch Nemesis. The complete opposite of both Peter Parker and Spider-Man.
Venom = The rival turned "Evil Spider-Man" turned friendly rival
Eddie brock was his work rival
Then Venom as a villain acted as a dark reflection of Spider-Man in the mirror, what he would have become if he were evil.
Then as an Anti-Hero Venom tries to beat Spider-Man at his own game
Venom is also harder to defeat than the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus put together.
Doctor Octopus = the smartest foe of Spider-Man. His intellectual superior and is harder to defeat in a fight that most of Spider-Mans rogues gallery. Spider-Man has trouble out-thinking another genius which makes stories with him as the villain more engaging.
Eddie was never his work rival, that's something the 90s show pulled out of its ass like pretty much everything involving the symbiote making Peter evil and stronger. Eddie never met Peter prior to becoming Venom, hell, he never even met him as Spider-Man either. He fits the anti-Peter role because unlike Peter, who takes responsability to heart and accepts his mistakes and tries to be better, Eddie just screwed up at his job, got fired and decided to blame all his issues to someone else instead of accepting that he screwed up, that's it. He is the mirror in the sense that unlike Peter, he truly is responsible for his own wrongs but instead of owning up to them, he chose to blame literally someone that has never even met him. He was honestly kind of lackluster and pathetic at times during his time as a supervillain and was mostly just an annoyance manchild to Peter rather than a rival.
Also, no Otto isn't Peter's smartest foe. Norman is, he himself has been outsmarted and outdoned by Norman in terms of intellect that it's pretty much untrue to say that Otto is Peter's smartest enemy. Also no, Peter doesn't have trouble with outsmarting geniuses, he has outsmarted geniuses that pick a bone with Reed Richards himself since he was 15. And while Otto is indeed an actual itellectual rival to Peter, Otto himself has admitted that Peter is objectively superior to him in every way, intellect included. That was actually the whole point of Superior to begin with
All the while, Norman is just objectively Peter's greatest enemy. No one has hurt Pter like Norman, no one has challenged his moral, intellect more than Norman, no one has pushed Peter as much as Norman and no one has been shown to be as evil as Norman. Even Carnaged made a perfect bond with Norman because of how evil he is
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i don't care
The top tier clearly only contains the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, and Venom…. I think Marvel editorial wants it to be Green Goblin… but it probably depends on what era they grew up in… 60’s probably thinks Green Goblin, 70’s probably thinks Doc Ock, the 80’s is actually maybe Hobgoblin? 90’s is Venom… 2000-present is probably Green Goblin (except for Doc Ock’s Superior run) unless you count Joe Quesada and Marvel editorial
This video killed me lol. Doc Ock had that dog in him going after Mary Jane as Peter AND Aunt May
His greatest villain is the Marvel writers. They are the worst.
Norman just fits thematically with Peter's story and character in a way that the other villains just don't. Norman is kind of like the cool dad figure that share's Peter's interests and could be a guide for Peter but of course, he's evil. If Peter decided to follow his guide he'd be taken down the wrong path.
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I (almost) never do that.
You guys are a little twisted (this is a good thing). Never change.
My absolute favorites are Kraven the Hunter, Mysterio, and Tombstone, but Spidey's most underrated villain is J. Jonah Jameson.
Its 100% Green Goblin BUT him, venom and doc ock all work as main antagonists to a spiderman saga. If you want to have Peter Parker tested, use Goblin. If you want to have spiderman tested, use Doc Ock. If you want to have morality tested, use Venom. All three attack a different aspect of the character which is why they all work so well.
The personal ties between Norman and Peter make him his arch nemesis in my eyes. He’s Harry’s Dad, so Peter spent a lot of time around him throughout his life. Someone he probably viewed as a father figure at one time. Plus his actions have had more effect on Peter’s life than any other villain. He killed Gwen.
Carnage is up there for me
.....why? Like really?
i think carnage is a little one dimensional to be one of his greats.
I think we all love carnage ! but he is really just doesn’t have much to him in terms of character
A way to make Cletus more interesting is that he can see killing people as a way to save them from the pain and evils of life which in turn could reflect Peter near obsession of saving every life including his enemies. Carnage will view life as a plague, death as the cure and himself as the doctor.
@@edwind8071villains dont needa be super deep for them to be great, whats so great about the joker, hes the most basic villain yet people swear hes the greatest, and why is that? its not cuz of his character its cuz of his moments and impact he has on batman, carnage is the same just for venom and spider-man
Has to be the Green Goblin, he is so ruthless that even Doc Ock as Superior Spider-man knew that he was too much for him
Dude, it has to be Shocker. No way it ain't Shocker
I’m a huge Spider-Man fan, and I love content like this! Amazing job! Just subbed.
Doctor Octopus IS Spider-Man's greatest villain, while Green Goblin IS Peter Parker's arch nemesis.
Come to think of it, Doc Ock has always been about besting Spidey, and being more superior than him. While Goblin has always been about trying to destroy Peter, and making his life a living hell, his one and only mission/obsession in life.
Regarding Venom. Venom is Spider-Man's darker reflection. He is more about challenging Spider-Man's worldview and demonstrating Spidey's darkest desires.
The comics have framed Goblin as Peter's greatest adversary with Doc right behind him and venom right after that. Venom is the most beloved by far, but has danced with the anti hero gimmick for too long to be considered his greatest villian.
Goblin on the other hand is such a perfect foil to peter that in the superior spider man run a comic run focused on when doc took over Peter's body, he literally relinquished it back to Peter's control because goblin was too crazy and realized the only one who could stop goblin was Spiderman.
I love electro such a good villain. Not too powerful but enough that spider has a fun time with him and his powers are cool
My favourite villain is Doc Ock, has been ever since I watched Spider-Man 2. His backstory mirrors Peter’s, he’s as much a intellectual threat as well as physical one with the arms, the character growth from the Superior run and the pure iconography of a Spider-Man vs Doctor Octopus fight, he’s just awesome.
While Carnage definitely isn’t Spider man’s arch enemy, I do think he’s the most unhinged and dangerous. While Norman kind of plays these mind games with Spider man traumatizing him and stuff, Carnage doesn’t give a damn about Spider man and just kills for the sheer pleasure of it. He didn’t like this one guys name and just killed him because of it 😭
You're completely forgetting that Spider-Man's creator, Steve Ditko, established Doctor Octopus as his main villain.
If This Be My Destiny, is Spider-Man's most important comicbook. That's the story that defined the character and cemented Otto's relationship with Peter for the years to come. Ock is Superior to Spidey, he's always one step ahead. He's also the leader and founder of the Sinister Six and the first villlain who overcame Peter easily and unmasked him. He's also responsible of the death of Liz Allen's brother, which caused Peter and her to part ways and caused him to reflect on Ben's words for the first time.
Kind of funny that all of the characters discussed in the video are basically fighting for the title of big bad in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon. Well, they couldn't use Kingpin because of rights issues, so they took Tombstone and pretty much made him Kingpin in all but name.
I’ve always thought Green Goblin was his arch nemesis, but all of the stuff you said about Doc Oc I think makes him a great contender
The comparison at the end between Joker and Goblin is exactly how I feel. Green Goblin may be Spider Man's greatest enemy, but Doc Ock is a FAR better character.
Maybe not his apex enemy, but my favorite is Kraven. As a kid, DeMatteis and Zeck really sucked me into the character and he has been a favorite ever since. In my book, a close second is early Venom (Michelinie/McFarlane - Larsen). That version of the character is just downright dark and scary. I absolutely agree that the Superior Spider-Man storyline propels Doc Ock to the top of the list. I remember during that two year run, so many people were pissed off. Fans at the LCS all talking about how they ruined SpiderMan. It was so weird but this story, and how it played out, truly affected people (and not just the fans). There were articles in the newspapers about it. Looking back now, this was a very compelling story by Dan Slott (only thing he has done that I really like) and an excellent use of Doc Ock’s character, which cements him at the top of the food chain, regarding spider foes.
Can we get this as a series? Maybe just as a discussion on the most popular villains. But for example Wonder Woman can be fun for a format like this
I would have to say my favorite Spider-Man villains are Kraven the Hunter and Green Goblin.
honestly, venoms my favorite character in comic history so i love seeing him get a redemption arc. i hope they give carnage more attention and give him Venom’s old arch-nemesis role.
Goblin is Peter's archenemy but Paul is the biggest menace
The Vulture deserves a honorable mention too, as well as Mysterio and Kraven.
Three AMAZING villains🔥🕷️
Either Green goblin or Chameleon from the first ever encounter of Spiderman in the amazing Spiderman comic
When Spider-Man and Batman teamed up in one of the DC/Marvel crossovers, it was Carnage that teamed up with Joker, wasn't it?
So that's my vote. It's an unusual pick because there's nothing particularly personal between them, but if the writers of the crossover thought Carnage was a good match for Joker while Batman and Spider-Man were teamed up, they must've had some reason to not choose the Goblin.
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I think my favourite villain is doc oc, mainly because of the 2018 game. That final dialogue of Peter and doc oc is just. Chef’s kiss.
I'm ngl my favorite Spider-Man villian is Spider-Carnage. When I was watching the 90s animated series. Just seeing a Peter Parker whose lost everything then gets corrupted by a carnage symbiote and turns the city he swore to protect and burned it to the ground. He made the Green and Hobgoblins into his henchmen. It was just cool
I gotta go with Scorpion. He doesn’t get enough love and plus a scorpion is the natural predator of a spider.
For those in favor of Doc Ock, even as Superior Spider-Man, he couldn't defeat Green Goblin. He had to give Peter his body back in order to take down Goblin because he realized only Peter could do it.
For those in favor of Venom. He's not even a villain anymore and him and Pete are pretty much bros at this point.
Green Goblin is Spider-Man's greatest enemy, period.
i love kraven because in Kravens Last Hunt its shown that his sole goal in life is killing spiderman, and when he believes that he succedes, even when proven wrong, he believes that he's finished life and there is nothing cool left to do so he youtube TOS's himself
1. Venom is everyone's favorite and becomes more of an anto hero, he also becomes a hero when he becomes Anti Venom.
2. Green Goblin plays one of the biggest roles of being his best friend/best friends dad and being the unpredictable mirror like joker.
3. Doc Ock matching his every move (Brain feats) and bevoming the superior spiderman.
I would say it has to be between the 3 of them.
Possibly even Kraven the hunter...
It’s Green Goblin, but Venom is right there man. They’re both such brilliant villains for Spidey.
I know it doesn't/can't speak for ALL Spider-Man Continuity but I genuinely believe No Way Home Answers this question perfectly. It's gotta be Goblin
Peter and Gwen clearly bang. In the story that introduces Morbius she literally says “I’m going to rock your world tonight Parker”
Chameleon killed Aunt May and posed as her for six months, learning about everything and everyone surrounding Spider-Man. Chameleon also posed as Peter and had sex with MJ before throwing her off the same bridge that Gwen died because he wants to be Spidey’s arch-nemesis.
Green Goblin is the DC Version of The Joker 🃏is to Batman; Both are my Favorites
My favorite Spider-Man villain is Kraven. He has no personal vendetta against Peter. He just wants to hunt for sport.
My favorite is Punisher because he WAS a spiderman villain and people don’t know or remember. He actually takes care of the criminals Spider-Man leaves to re offend
Batman was stuck in an infinite loop. The Joker had 99.9% of Myxi's power. Every day. For...an unspecified amount of time.
He was killed in new and creative ways. Just to be brought back the next day to do it again.
The memories had to be removed from his mind because he was just SO traumatized.
That being said, haven't watched the rest of the video, but. That one thing trumps a LOT of trauma.
Doc ock puttin Peter n the 1st Get Out movie is nasty work
Three tiers of villains: goons, bosses, and player haters.
Favorite goon: Shocker
Favorite boss: Goblin
Favorite player hater: Carnage
As far as movies go it’s Green Goblin, in the comics it’s doc ock and in the animated tv shows it’s venom. For the games so far it’s looking like it’s going to be Green Goblin and Doc Ock that will have a shared role as Spider-Man’s arch enemy
I think my personal favorite villain is Venom. I was struck by the black suit in Spider-Man 3 ad went back to read the introduction of Venom and that whole grudge run was TERRIFYING
Awesome video! Would love to see this kind of video with the X-men’s villains
The way I've always defined "arch-nemesis" isn't the enemy that does the worst things to the hero, but the enemy who represents everything that the hero is not. So I say its Green Goblin. Peter's core is power used responsibly, and that power itself comes with responsibilities. Norman Osborn represents power used irresponsibly in everything he does. I mean everything Norman does with his power and wealth is done just because he can, not because he should or because it helps him. He does stuff just to prove he can.
Venom is my favorite Spidey villian. I'd always prefered him as a villian rather than a antihero. I also loved the Ultimate version of him as well where they showed him as some kind horror monster.
The most evil thing Goblin's ever done was get a woman who worked for him to pretend to be a waitress and drug the pregnant Mary Jane's food killing her and Peter's unborn baby.
For me, Spiderman never had one, definitive, archenemy, but a trinity of nemesis:
Green Goblin;
Doctor Octopus; and
Venom.
These are his three archenemies, they may not be the ones who have scarred him the most, but they are the one who have had the most profound impact in his development, and they usually are, at least for me, the ones he has the most interesting relationships with.
My favorite Spider-Man villain is Dr. Octopus. Green Goblin would be Spider-Man's arch-nemesis if Marvel had left him dead back in '73. Harry becoming the Goblin in '74 was a good story, but then it got ridiculous Harry's psychiatrist became the Goblin, and whatever respect I had for character went away he was retconned back to life after 20 years by a healing factor of all things.
Goblin is by far his worst enemy and like someone stated, his joker to his batman. Surprised Kraven & Carnage weren't mentioned.