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Rock 3C: Maker-priced SBC
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Rock 3C RK3566 single board computer review, including demos running Debian and Ubuntu, and a Sysbench comparison with a Raspberry Pi 3B+ and Raspberry Pi 4.
The Rock 3C shown in this video was purchased in May 2023 from OKdo here:
www.okdo.com/p...
The board is also available from Allnet here:
shop.allnetchi...
The Radxa web page for the Rock 3C is here:
wiki.radxa.com...
The Okdo Software Hub is here:
www.okdo.com/s...
And we can also download Rock 3 SBC images from Radxa here:
wiki.radxa.com...
Please note that I have no business relationship with OKdo, Radxa or Allnet, although OKdo did provide me with some information.
My previous review of the Rock 3A is here:
• Rock 3A: Dual M.2 ARM ...
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:56 Unboxing
03:43 Specification
07:40 Debian
13:03 Ubuntu & Interface Tests
15:05 Sysbench
18:41 Wrap
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This colored GPIO Headers should become standard I like this.
Agreed!
_"About the price of a RPi 4"_ *IF* you can find a RPi 4 at _list price_ and not marked up 4x by an eBay or Amazon reseller! - 7:20
And that is where this new SBC wins as it is actually available! Amazing! ;-)
Good to see you are going so strong. Heck, nearly 1M subs.
Kind of sad, he's been on this long and has Great Information.
Make me sad for the people that don't want to learn.
Almost....we can do this. I cant wait to see chris unboxing gold play button if its upload on both normal video or member only video😅
@@Ibrahimdude I hope it's not about that.
Top of the morning from Texas to you Mr. Barnatt! Another brilliant video!
Greeting John.
Every SBC Box like christmas for Christopher.
Yours is one of the few channels I watch on a regular basis. You do a very good job of picking a variety of boards and topics. This is a board I may actually purchase for myself.
I love that it runs under pressure on 2 Watts, quite incredible. Thanks Chris.
A very nice board at a very nice price... thank you for reviewing it Chris!
Every Sunday I learn something I didn't know the week before - Thank you kind Sir :-)
This Rock 3C SBC seems to be a winner for hobbyists IMHO.
- it is available
- good price
- software seems to work (even with a sluggish OS menu)
- analog mic input (mono is good enough for me)
- M.2 SSD port and eMMC
- fan power connector (just 2 pin though)
Hopefully more of the usual local RPi retailers will be stocking these also.
I was just going to make a comment whinging earlier and then I realized
- it is available
And I'm like huh. Rly? Look it up again on another website. Oh wait this actually exists it's not just vaporware? Sounds pretty sweet.
SBC Sunday! This seems like a nice little middle of the road SBC. Much more approachable than the up to 14X more costly releases we have seen in the SBC world. LP Sigma I am looking at you. :) Thank you once again for the brilliant Sunday morning video.
From the nit picker in me... saying LCD display is redundant. Knock a point off of the grade of your paper for that one. :)
Be well all! See you next Sunday!
Yes, sorry. "Liquid Crystal Display" Display. I try and avoid those. But talking on camera is not real life, and there are enough reasons to scrap takes aside from errors like this! :)
@@ExplainingComputers I didn't even notice. As a banker, I tend to notice "ATM machine" and "PIN number."
@@ExplainingComputers That’s what we need an Explaining Computers out takes video.😁
@@sbc_tinkererNow that’s a great idea!
I kinda wish you did your usual video editing speed test also. Sometimes it can show differences that just a regular CPU speed test (prime numbers) doesn't show. It takes into account more of the hardware. I'm surprised it wasn't included.
Fantastic video Chris and a cracking little board that is designed to capture the hearts and minds of makers everywhere 🎉
Shipping globally from RS, OKdo and approved resellers
always good to explore the single board computers !!
Your channel is fantastic, I've learned a lot already!
and will certainly have a lot to learn.
Thank you 👌
Thanks for watching. :)
I did not know about sysbench .
Very useful .
Thank you .
I'm glad to see a SBC going back to its roots. Not small desktop replacements but low price test/machine boards.
I look forward to getting a few.
Exactly. The features so many people need, and no more. So a reasonable price.
Are you sure a micro-controller wouldn't be better? Yes, micro controllers are often limited to just one function. But if done right, a good micro controller could work and probably even consume way less power too. Even a (PLA) Programmable Logic Array may be something to consider if your application is _really_ simple. I do wish Chris would do a video or two on how to _use_ simple devices like Arduino's, EPROMS and PLA's. (Probably not since that's more of an _electronics_ subject.)
Thank you very much for another well made and informative review.
Cheers from Canada!!
Greetings from the UK! :)
Wow, this video gets really exciting towards the end.
Love the SBC content!
Thanks. :)
Me too!
Your information and news are first world, you are close to getting a million subscribers
This is a good little board! And it's nice that OKdo is making and distributing this board globally for Radxa. Hopefully, this'll mean more people will be able to get it.
Also, an unsealed bag?! Are they trying to put Mr. Scissors and Stanley the Knife out of work there?
They have to wait patiently for the next unboxing
There is a desktop PC build coming up . . . lots of things to open! :)
@@ExplainingComputers Hooray! Will Mr. Screwdriver be involved too?
@@ExplainingComputers I'm looking forward to seeing that!
Great, enriching post as always. Stability, richness, quality, ease of use, and support over long period of time, in terms of the optimized OS distributions, drivers for peripheral functions - I think play a very important role, apart from price, when it comes to low per-maker volume use-case of SBCs. RPi took care of the above, and that IMHO played a huge role in the success of RaspberryPi (apart from the phenomenal, never-before pricing). I do not think just "low cost" alone can make a SBC popular, and we all know what happens to SBCs that are not popular, especially from a maker standpoint. My 2 cents.
This looks great. I think if the Pi 5 ended up being release with the exact same features but a newer SOC then I'd be a happy chappy. The software support looks way better on this one too compared to some other SBC's so hats off to the Rock 3C developers for creating a true competitor!
They'd probably call it the Raspi 4B+
Yes indeed, we want a better SOC in Raspberry Pi 5, no, not for the performance, the performance is secondary, the support is primary requirement, the newer SOC should have HW acceleration supported and it should be much more open so that people like Jeff geerling can easily attach a RTX4090 to a Pi lol
@@STORMFIRE07 I suspect the Pi 5 will also be based on a Broadcom chip. Looking at the progress on the Pi 4, I wouldn't be surprised we will be thrown back several years with the HW acceleration support.
The Pi 4 now has Vulkan 1.3 support and Firefox has planned HW video decoding. I think V4L2 M2M should come with FF 115.
Not sure this will work immediately with the future Pi 5.
@@LivingLinux btw is this solely a Broadcom chip issue? Or is that issue a cause of something else?
@@LivingLinux Unfortunately I think so aswell, but I am really wishing for perhaps a RISC-V SOC, such as the one released by StarFive, their recent chips have come really close to the pi4 in terms of performance, plus since RISC-V ISA being completely free and open source, I believe Pi Foundation can come up with something pretty powerful, just like how they recently designed their own Chip in the Pi pico
You never cease to amaze me Chris. Keep up the good work!!!
"And now that's it" and another good vid! Thanks,!
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Greetings Mr. Barnatt. Another sbc board again. Its so exciting. Thank you sir
Greetings! :)
I have to admit... after that power test, I'm going to need a cup of tea and a little lie-down. 🙂
Hi Chris, I hope you can revisit this board again in the near future. Disc IO for the M.2 slot could be tested with one of the riser cables you used on some other boards with the mad oriented slots perhaps? Also, a little play around with the GPIO on the 3C would be nice to see. Just to see how compatible it is against the Pi 3/4 - especially the serial interfaces that can be troublesome at times.
Thank you for another very well done video! I wait for the time when you reach a million subscribers. It has all been well earned.
That's a capable alternative to rbp 4 which suffers supply chain issues. The inclusion of onboard BT 5.0 and Wifi 5 chips makes it a good value. I am just interested in the wireless performance from stability standpoint. Thanks for making this informative and concise video.
You realize that them stopping their production of raspberry pis to make this board was one of the causes yeah?
For all these little SBC's it would be fantastic to test some of the GPIO pins as those tend to be what isn't as compatible between Rpi and the alternatives.
After reading "maker-priced" I was expecting some GPIO tests as well. I bought a banana pi zero and I was disappointed that raspbian is somewhat hacked/fiddled to work on bananas, also GPIO, spi, i2c won't work as you expect. It turned useless to my purpose
This board should fit the bill for a lot of people. Decent specs and price.
With Debian 12 just released, there is never a better time to get the most popular SBCs into mainline support. Am talking about Rpi4, Odroid (C4, N2+), and this Radxa board.
Sunday greetings!
Hello! A nice, happy heart for you this morning for being the first comment this week. ❤️
Greetings! Here we are again. :)
Let's.. Take...a closer... Look
This has a bunch of things I wanted, will have to try it out
Thanks for the processing power comparison Chris.
This is a viable RPi alternative for me that I wouldn't have known about otherwise 👍
It's great to see an "almost there" raspberry pi competitor at around the same price point! Especially now with the RPI shortages.
A tip that I think that could help you Mr. Barnatt, is the use of those inexpensive USB C power metters usually available for electronics repair could help you pin down a more precise voltage/current and power usage as they go to the miliamps range.
That's interesting that OKdo was a partner for the RPI, I though that (as said on a recent video from Jeff Geerling on his RPI factory tour) that the RPIs were made on Sony's factory in the UK since the beginning.
As always, a great and detailed video.
Stop saying it's a shortage. For years they promised you they'd have it sorted by next quarter. It was a scam. Yeah now hopefully these other brands can create what should have been an amazing product but plz don't apologize for the raspberry. Isn't that British for punking someone? Giving them the raspberry? It was a joke the entire time. Take that you dirty yankees wanting cheap computers and African kids wanting computers no computers for anyone hahaha. All that dev time and excitement countless thousands of hours to support an ecosystem of vaporware non existent hardware that will never exist. When times were good they couldn't get these things built why would China help UK now?
Thanks Chris for an interesting SBC video, I like the price of it though I'd get one with at least 4 GB of memory! The 1080p playback was really good, hopefully it'll force other SBC manufacturers to follow suit! A happy Sunday to you :)
Greetings Alan. :)
Very nice work and the Rock 3C did nicely when you put it through its paces.
Chris thanks for another great review video. I was waiting for you to press the power button....:)! to see if the magic smoke comes out.
Have a nice week.
Volume manufacturing to make the board available? Good to see an SBC maker trying something new.
More SBCs should have magic genies.
The full sized HDMI socket and separate power header for the fan are awesome.
Also, it looks like the SSD card slot gives the satisfying click sound when the card is inserted and removed, like the original Raspberry Pi used, as opposed to the push fit connectors that they have been using for more recent boards.
Thanks for another great video Chris.
Greetings Steve.
Very impressive SBC, and thanks as always for your always thorough review!
Greetings Chris.
Your channel is well known in Germany. Many thanks to Your good work!
Great to hear. :)
Great video, Chris. Thank you 😊
Greetings Chris.
Raspberry Pi alternetive are always welcome, as we've realised recently with Pi shortage.
Thank you for these updates.
Love your enthusiasm :D
It's like watching a kid open his Christmas presents.
"Does this button release a magic genie?" Ah. Classic British humour. Thank you. More of that is always welcome!
Awesome video thanks Chris.
Glad to see an SBC running proper Debian and Ubuntu. While I appreciate the efforts of the Armbian community, for me it was very much a hit-or-miss proposition where reliability was concerned.
Back on track with my favorite line of computing!
Hi Leslie. And yes, back where we ought to be. :)
7:58 - I really hate seeing all those "failed" start up messages! I know they can be seen on other Linux SBCs and computers but "failed" isn't exactly easy to explain to others.
It's refreshing to see the M.2 slot being adopted more and more, as well as hardware acceleration. A proper desktop replacement seems closer than ever.
The 2GB RAM bit is a bit of a shame though.
So close, yet so far away.
Chris mentioned early on that the Rock 3C came in 1, 2, 4, and 8 GB variants; he just happened to have the 2 GB version.
@@McTroyd Sorry, I probably missed that part.
@@dantevortex No worries.
Interesting board with lots of potential. As is the case with anything non Raspberry Pi, it'll be the community support that really makes it viable or not. ARM support is prevalent enough these days in Linux naturally, but it's those weird problems that people hit and need support for that seem to make or break adoption of these boards. My first (and so far last) non Raspberry Pi SBC was an Asus TinkerBoard, and I still feel the burn from it 😆.
I've good luck so far with the 4GB Libre Renegade, but you are on point with regards to community support.
Rubbish video support kills it for me usually..
I need full video acceleration..
And the Asus was pro designed by a hardware giant, too ... !
I've seen people leave good reviews on libre lepotato, but it's quite old hardware at this point.
The rockpi I had from radxa gave me so many headaches... I rather pay double the price and not have obscure problems I can't fix.
The support from OKdo, RS and DesignSpark community is first class for Rock 🎉
lots of interesting facts on the rock 3c! Something I might get to play around with!
An impressive SBC. I was hoping to see a genie when you pressed the power key switch! Looking forward to your next video.
The features of the Rock 3C are very impressive. I might even add that it represents a phantasmal vision of a potential Raspberry Pi 5! Incidentally, if the Raspberry Pi Foundation doesn't manage to get back on its feet before the end of 2023, this SBC could (unfortunately...) become one raspberry killer! Thank you for this excellent presentation.
RP Foundation is still selling more Pi's every year, 7 million last year, its just demand has almost doubled and they haven't tried to meet it either because they can't or they feel its not real just more virus hording madness and scaling to meet it will kill the company when the market gets back to normal. I suggest you watch Jeff Geerling's interview with the RP CEO.
Support for these other SBC's is still appalling, the RP is going nowhere.
Perhaps you missed the fact that the Rock 3C is still a 32-bit processor with 1GB of RAM. I don't know about you but I don't really need any more _antiques._ And for all the usefulness a limited SBC like that might be, you might be better off with a _micro controller_ instead. Something like an Arduino Mega, 2560 maybe.
@@WXSEDY Thanks for your comment.
good video, thank you
Chris -- this is an incomplete video. You didn't push the button to release the genie. As for the board itself, I like the connectivity, and I particularly like the color coding of the GPIO pins. It's small things like that that make maker boards easier to use. Attention to small details makes a difference.
Always risky to push that button . . .
Another gem from Chris keeping us up to date on the latest SBCs. It's a shame its not a real competitor in CPU performance to the RPi4 which has been (un)available for a few years now, but always nice to have some new options come to market.
Still, seems available with a similar amount of RAM to the pi4 and faster than a pi3.
Great little board.
Nice a single board computer love them and find them really cool have a nice week
Wonderful news the SBC family has grown.
I have concerns about plastic housing for SOC. From the RPI 3B+ model, the SOC is installed with a metal housing, which makes it easier to dissipate heat and is more effective.🤔
Great to have SBC coverage again. I'd still like to see more X86 SBCs as code is ubiquitous.
Oh it’s a genie 🧞♂️ trapped in an sbc open sesame!
Greetings sir..... Here is my attendance in sbc class :-)
Greetings! Glad you are here on another Sunday. :)
The features I like are the m.2 mkey slot, the NPU, and the price. Down sides are no community, and no 4GB variant.
Thank you.
Hi Chris! I do not know if I saw your old video on the Rock 3A (Radxa) but I wanted to say that these boards are being used or a variant of them, inside the most popular Musical digital instrument AKAI MPC Live, LIVE 2, MPC One, and MPC Force. These are all in one touch screen based performance Samplers with built in DAW and synthesizers which is basically a portable music based COMPUTER system based on the Radxa boards with 2GB ram built in. There IS an upgraded board with the 4GB ram and THAT one(Rock 3B?)in the newest AKAI MPC Keys keyboard based version of the MPC Live 2 units. So the price and micro size of these boards make them ideal for real world products!
Very interesting. I know that OKdo / Radxa offer customization for industrial customers. This is a great of example of "what are companies using SBCs for". :)
LOL I wanted to be skeptical because the raspberry pi foundation burned me so bad but everyone seems happy and excited so hopefully things are looking up for sbcs it always sounded like a great idea.
Sounds like a "tough little chip", to paraphrase an old sci-fi trope.
Google was not much help with the phrase "witting on", so I had a bit of a blank unscheduled nap come over me in the middle. Had to rewatch the last 3 chapters once I woke up again. Please do bear in mind what is easily defined when narrating.
Thanks!
Greetings, and thanks for your support. :)
I should know... I suppose, but I didn't know what OTG was regarding the USB 2.0 port.... so I asked ChatGPT.
ChatGPT:
"In the context of USB ports, "OTG" stands for USB On-The-Go. USB On-The-Go is a specification that allows devices to act as both a USB host and a USB peripheral, enabling them to establish a direct connection with each other without the need for a computer or additional USB host device.
An OTG-enabled USB port, such as the one mentioned in the video, can function as a USB host when connected to USB peripherals like keyboards, mice, or storage devices. It can also function as a USB peripheral when connected to a USB host device like a computer or a smartphone.
The OTG functionality expands the versatility of the USB port, allowing devices to communicate and transfer data directly with each other, which can be useful for various applications, such as transferring files between smartphones, connecting USB peripherals to tablets, or even connecting USB storage devices to smartphones or tablets for data access.
It's worth noting that not all USB 2.0 ports have OTG capabilities. So, in the case of the board mentioned in the video, one of the USB 2.0 slots being OTG means that it supports USB On-The-Go functionality, allowing it to act as both a USB host and a USB peripheral."
Good Morning! - From rainy, dreary Ohio, USA! - Frankly? - I think ALL SBCs should come equipped with a "Magic Geenie Release!" - HAHAHA! - You're a FUNNY Man, Sir!
Cheers! - Judson & Buddy! 🙂
Greetings to you both. :)
Thanks, always interesting to see new boards to play with. I am interested to see when they will start taking on AV1 transcoding via ffmpeg. Currently I favour Intel CPUs because of their good support for AV1. It will be interesting to see how AV1 support develops on new SOC boards.
Seems to have a form factor nearly exact same as rpi3. A minor detail any number of SBC designers bizzarely depart from. The fact okdo manufactured earlier rpis suggests we can expect decent quality. I'm also impressed everything worked out of the box, I mean, with anything not raspberry that is a real risk.
There are USB-C voltage and power meters which you could use to measure more precisely the SBCs consumption. Thanks for the review.
Yes, you are right. I must get a better meter.
Ok do I see you!
Let's ROCK.....
I need a drink I got too excited!=8)
I just had the cops here for the second time in 15 days, but you made me smile. Good friend, you. I may not be your biggest fan, but I'm in the running for the naughtiest.
awesome analysis
The magic Genie release button (mGrb) is really a unique selling point.
You might want to use handbrake to test productivity task cpu performance, as it uses a lot of instruction set extensions when available.
That way it scales with architecture, not just with cores and frequency.
Looks like Armbian is available for the Rock 3 family, but we'll probably have to wait until it is in stock in the US. The RK3566 has not had great software support :(.
nice to see the energy measurements. 1 watts of energy and 2 under full load is quite low, so for many more projects that either require long runtimes or low power usage.
You have done a good video.
Thanks. :)
WOW another SBC!
I bought the upgrade of this ( Rock 4SE ) 4GB RAM Dual A72 , Quad A53 and Mali T860MP4 GPU and found it lacking for my purpose.
I was looking to get this SBC set up for MicroPython programming.
All the software needed to program or even connect to the microcontrollers were older versions.
The updated software needed installed and worked fine on either a Linux PC or Windows.
As soon as Raspberry Pis are back in stock I'll try them.
Figure you could get a extension cable for that m.2 slot.
Yes, must be a possibility. :)
I stopped buying single board computers 2 years ago when the SBC prices ballooned. Recently I bought a bunch of mini PCs, really powerful ones, for almost the same cost as some of the SBCs, and I thought that was hilarious. This SBC is at least reasonably priced, so I'll consider it for future projects, but for now I think I'll make do with my haul of mini PCs and dirt cheap microcontrollers. I am going back to my roots in a way, since I learned how to program by writing assembly code for 8051 microcontrollers lol
Bingo, You nailed it Sir.
Too many manufacturers don't get that! They forget the 'maker' features and try to build a $100-£200 computer with GPIO pins as an afterthought. The maker market fuelled the growth of the pi.
At the right price point a SBC with the needed extras onboard becomes a better alternative to starting with an Arduino or ESP32 and stringing modules together.
I'll also say that I have a few used NUC's doing a better job than £30 worth of Pi
Day 4 of asking for shields and attachments for rock pi SBC nice work keep going actually I saw your videos and made me by a rock pi !!!!
That M.2 slot makes it worth the slightly slower CPU.
"Magic genie release?"🤣 On a more serious note what's going on with the button it looks likes its got some corrosion?
Impressive board. Hardware support in the OS seems an easy win if they want compete with the RP.
it seems that they reused a known supported gpu in this soc, and that is good news, but i doubt much people will buy it for youtube, it is more for maker market with those 2 gbs of ram but the power consumption numbers are brutal, 2 watts under load!
Just wanted to let you know, Raspberry Pico W has *JUST* added support for Bluetooth in Micropython!! 🎉 Are you going to make a video on some simple Bluetooth project with it? I love your videos!
Ah, I've missed this! Thanks for the info. Certainly a subject for a future video/project.
Great video, Chris. Curious if you did any testing, outside the video, of the wifi to confirm it works with the provided images. 👍
Yes, the WiFi did indeed work in Debian. I did not test WiFi in Ubuntu.
Nice review.
But it has the Pi 3/4 problem, it's already unobtainium. Let's see what the future brings. XD
Indeed, right now stocks are limited! I can now see just one here: www.okdo.com/p/okdo-rock-3-model-c-2gb-single-board-computer-rockchip-rk3566-arm-cortex-a55/ But I was told on 15th May, by Richard Curtin (CEO and co-founder of OKdo) that "The boards are selling very fast but we started volume manufacturing last week and inventory will arrive in Asia, Europe and US next week".
And this morning the video has been included in a post from OKdo's VP of operations, where it says that "we have volume production in the plan across the next three months". So we can but hope! :)
OOS of course.... Would have liked to have seen the relative performance for retro gaming tested