you are without doubts one of the most professional yet entertaining youtuber. and the fact i can see your videos without subs because your clear pronunciation is a HUGE plus
I like the look of this board - I can see quite a few uses for it.... it's interesting to see SBCs becoming quite powerful these days as they evolve - soon, if not already, they'll be able to be more than enough to be a viable production system. Good point about Passmark, real world usage is where we should be looking, but then again it's not as flashy or headline grabbing 🙂 Thank you Chris, another excellent review!
@@ExplainingComputers I have an Odyssey X86J4125, I could not use the GPIO under Windows or Ubuntu, if you have the unit can you please test with either OS.
Gotta say I'm pretty impressed with this one. And it's getting close to the point in SBC development that you'll have to start running video game performance tests to see how well they run. I don't expect extreme graphics settings to run on this, nor do I expect extremely modern games to run on it even at the lowest graphics settings. But this computer should run a lot of older games reasonably well. I suspect SBCs will start needing more substantial power delivery really soon though. So get ready to see a SBC with a power brick that is bigger than the computer in the near future. lol
Don't give "Dawid does Tech Stuff" any ideas! Yesterday he was gaming on a NAS. Some insanity that would never have occurred to me, watching someone struggling to play GTA-V on a NAS box.
Using power hungry x86-64 chips in a low power purpose sbc, is like fully filling up a bucket with water, only drinking a cup out of it and pour out all the water in the bucket for nothing.
Greetings Chris. Wish you a happy, healthy, and productive week. SBCs are becoming better and better with more drive slots, expansion options, better network connectivity. Good times for enthusiast and tinkerer community.
Great review, thanks Chris. I only wish the times were back to when i could afford a new SBC and they were under $60, again. It's nice to watch, anyway, thanks Chris.
If I were in the market for an X86 machine of this sort this one would be great. I took an interest in the original Odyssey, but ended-up going another way, but still with a 4-core Celeron, the N5095. I believe that the phrase "appropriate technology" is one that should be applied in computing and elsewhere. The cost of living on the "bleeding edge" is much to dear and completely unnecessary most of the time. Cheers!
Thank you for another SBC video. Excellent work; as usual, you make the information manageable for those of us who are (more or less) familiar with these systems but who lack your level of understanding... and you make it entertaining. Glad to see Stanley, too.
This would also make a lovely media server; the integrated graphics offers hardware accelerated video encoding, allowing for multiple streams of video transcoding, perfect for something like Plex.
The specs were UHD600. Not sure it would be capable of a solid transcode. What I would like to see is how well this board loads and plays 1080p from youtube, but more importantly 4K from a plex server. I'm thinking this may be an ultimate client for Plex. Load Linux Mint and run the linux fat client. I believe mpv should have no problems playing 4K as long as it can access the hardware acceleration for it, and if it can, the plex client should be able to as well.
@@cromulence JellyFin wiki suggests the UHD600 would only be capable of a single transcode stream where higher end GPUs support more formats for hardware encode/decode and multiple simultaneous streams. Something else to consider with respect to Plex/JellyFin transcoding is that a GPU may support something but it can be effectively useless due to lack of software support and/or licensing.
I gotta LOL that the display scaling in Windows *STILL* doesn't work right. Look at 9:24 and you can see the _"Sign in"_ button text and _"Learn more"_ are both chopped off on the bottom. AND this is Microsoft programming and not some 3rd party programming that doesn't accept scaling well. Too funny.
Got a n5105 (11th gen) mini computer for $134... 8gb ram 256gb ssd. Some minis have both m.2 and sata. And true, no easy gpio, but adafruit has a USB card that effectively gives you a gpio. (Saw that on your channel!! Very cool.) We (me and my students) use arduinos for gpios (effectively) by simply talking to the PC over USB, not hard. Arduino can talk to any program that way, including python, processing or unity programs they write. What is the case for this over a cheaper newer mini pc with a faster cpu + and Arduino (or any microcontroller) of your choice?
Interesting little board. Like the available SATA ports and faster etherent ports. Now if they can get them in stock and remain so... Be well my friend!
At 6:19 Idea for a video: Wireless specifications.... 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac....I think there is ad, ax, and others. Can you make a video about Wi-Fi and the various iterations on the 802.11 standard please?? If you have already made a video but it has been awhile, is it time to make an update due to all the changes?? I think I heard Wi-Fi 7 has already been ratified, which specification would that entail, there is Wi-Fi 5, 6, and 6E.... Those boil down to one of the iterations of the specification, which one? I find a little confusing is all.... Could you add Bluetooth into the mix please?? You said this board has Bluetooth 5....there is a 5LE, I think I've heard of the Bluetooth 6, I wasn't it called something else before Bluetooth 5 or Bluetooth 4?? Thank you for your time; Monte
You don't get installation media bundled with any computer these days. Even when CD- and DVD-ROMs were still a thing it was only moderately high-end manufacturers, such as Apple and HP, who included them.
I've had the v1 Odyssey board running as a server for the last 3 years. It hasn't missed a beat running jellyfin where it does very well with hardware transcoding, home assistant, network backups and a few other services. The V1 has an arduino co-processor instead of the RP2040. It's proven to be very useful and I'd definitely use one again.
j4125 based micro/mini atx/itx motherboards cost around $100 in any computer shop. 8GB ddr4 is +$20. psu is like $30-40. So you get same hardware any day but cheaper and more flexible. You can put in 10Gbe sfp+ card in it for example. Ok, it will be a little bigger. But that's not a mobile device so that's totally fine in most cases. So I don't get the strict need for an sbc.
Wow! Retail price for a Windows 11 Pro license is $199 here in the USA. (I should know, I just bought one a couple of weeks ago to run in my Parallels Desktop VM on my M2 Pro MacBook Pro.) So, basically, for only an additional $99 you get an entire computer with that! With a *bunch* of connectivity, including two 2.5Gb Ethernet ports?! That's an extremely good deal!
Thanks Chris for another great video. Price and size are deal killers for me. SBC's getting bigger and more expensive puts this class of SBC in line with a NUC at this point IMO. A NUC at this price point will have a better X86 processor and more expandability. GPIO dongles can be bought for under $20 for any computer. It appears that SBC devs are loosing sight as what the original concept of SBC's popularity and use was indented to be.
@n n The clue is in the title.... it is an SBC... that happens to be capable of running windows...as well as other operating systems. that windows capability comes at a price, something not everybody will be willing to pay.
.hmmm. You get the equivalent cpu / board from asrock as ITX-J4125 (also m-itx matx.. different versions) for around 110 bucks. Of course then also need power supply,ram and case, maybe adding pci express network card, license.. so wont be cheaper. BUT the cpu = tech is from Q4 2019 .. so i'm not really impressed that they come out with this version mid 2023.. and would go for the J5040-itx version.
So two built-in Ethernet ports says "router device" to me immediately, and then I'm thinking of pfSense as an open source router/firewall/NAT box for a home or small office network. But last year I picked up a nearly new Fujitsu Futro thin client box with quad core AMD CPU in it and a built in PCI-E slot that let me fit a second Ethernet interface into it - I then stuck in an additional 4GB RAM to get it to 8GB and a 120GB SSD to load on pfSense - and the total was probably around £80 and less than half the price of this Odyssey board. Sure, if you need 2.5Gb Ethernet then the Odyssey box wins on that basis, but it does strike me as very pricey for what it is.
Is the Celeron J4125 still relivant when the N6000 is out now? For this price I don't think soo. The cellular network avalibility is interesting though.
This great if you intend to *USE* the pi or pin outs, but any mini pc or netbook with an Intel N6005 will destroy this thing in CPU performance and *DOUBLE* the GPU performance for around $130 while these start ay$218.
I like the addition of the RP2040 but I honestly can't see why you'd integrate one on the system like this. Is this a tinker board? Then why Windows 11? Is this a small PC replacement? Then why does it have a GPIO with an RP2040? It's trying to be everything at once when This should really be two different products - A higher-performance consumer mini PC and a lower performance tinker PC with a microcontroller for whatever you'd use it for.
Thanks for another great video. I want to see Stanley the Knife working over time. Maybe the parts shortage is starting to wane. I was hoping for quantum computer performance at Raspberry Pi costs....Oh well! Have nice week.
Anything getting near $250 and no memory slots is a hard pass for me. I do like the rest of the of the features but they could have also skipped the emmc. Even the emmc modules are not widely used and cost more than "normal" storage options. For tinkering options this board is more than I am willing to pay. I am not critizing you intentionally Chris but where's the GPIO functionality tests? I2C functionality?
it's got some nice features but a boxed minipc with the same cpu (e.g. gmktec nucbox) is for less than half the price. sure, those boxes don't have integrated rp2040 board, gpios or dual 2.5gbe ports, but that's still a large difference for a board with same cpu.
my kabylake refresh laptop uses less power (at the battery, so it may be inaccurate) idling, even on FreeBSD. it's not as capable in I/O as this, though.
I think that running Windows on that board is a bit pointless. Maybe there is some DIY incentive here but quite limited in my opinion, but I can imagine some commercial use of it. I love the RP2040 on board, especially if UART or USB UART are exposed, this gives this board enormous versatility both from Micropython and C SDK. But I think the best use for it are those two Ethernet ports, which can make it great firewall / router project.
wow - even a clean windows install is over 20gb? I run arch and although have a metric ton of crap installed I don't get into double-digit gb for the OS windows is very bloaty
this is the type of video I wanted to see on SBC's capabilities in Media playback and 3d rendering, and also power consumption, I want to get one of these for that reason, low power usage and footprint, not sure the AMR PC's will be as capable in some of the things I would want to use them for.
For the price it feels somewhat underwhelming, especially for a processor that was introduced in 2019. I/O is pretty good but just screams for a newer processor.
i think x86 sbc (as a sub catalog of sbc) they neither go high performance way (such as powerful processor or external standalone graphic card by lighting or usb 3 or 4 or something like this one with powerful IO) or going to ultra portable giving the size similar to raspberry pi (i wish in this case they can have a version of sbc with out the rj45 and all usb are no ‘standing up’) and making something like computingcard
looks like it would make for a nice custom router. hook up a nas and a 2.5gbit switch and your off to the races. but i would prefer to get one without windows if that could save some money. pfsense is free.
A very well specced and capable board, though if I was looking for an SBC computer as a desktop alternative there are much cheaper options. Does anyone need so many storage options on a board like this ? Handy to have them, but I'd imagine that anyone who needs them would be better served by a more powerful computer anyway.
As always, the closer look is very thorough. It's very informative when you compare performance between the various single board computers and I like that it's compatible with Raspberry Pi.
Oh, another cool thing that I could definitely find a use for, but I'm unlikely to buy it anytime soon. Good video but... 1. No GPIO tests 2. It is not clear how the RP2040 is powered. Does it run on standby power when the main computer is in sleep mode or turned off?
A slight improvement over the older version which I find is working fine. I'd like to see them increase onboard ram to 16GB. Also, if they will offer it, it would be nice if they had a fully assembled version. Connecting the wifi module wires is extremely frustrating.
its a little hilarious that single board computers are starting to come disturbingly close to the specifications of the very old pc I still use every day!
Hi Chris, another great video. Per chance was drive D: supposed to be called SATA-NTFS instead of SATAN-FTS ? Asking for a friend :) I can't say I fault you either way when it comes to NTFS 😂
This is a clever SBC with lots of interesting features. 😎 However for the price range I believe if it had USB-4 that would be a game changer. Thank you for the great video.
Another excellent video although, I must admit, I am not fully conversant with a lot of the terminology and systems. Have you ever thought of writing a book for those of us who lack some of some of the knowledge, or even a video. I am also glad to see Stanley back in the spotlight again.
10:16 I would VERY much like to see you do an episode on the "stripped/ lightweight" Windows OS copies that are floating out there. A deep dive into them would help us all I think. I like the idea of stripping out the bloat and spying out of windows, but I also know that an altered program could also be spying on you. But a genius like yourself could help determine if that is indeed the case.
@@ExplainingComputers I'd particularly enjoy your opinion of Electrohaz's de-bloated Win10 & Win11 that he offers for running (well) on the Atomic Pi. Thanks, Chris.
It does not show up as a drive. Seeed normally document their hardware very well with tutorials, so hopefully one of these will appear soon indicating the access methods.
I love that this has a built-in rp2040. I had a quick look at the manual and there isn't much info about it except for a pinout of its GPIO and a few other pins, including RUN and SPI_CS. I suspect the rp2040 doesn't come up as a drive as it, or rather its flash memory chip, probably isn't programmed. I also suspect that the SPI_CS pin refers to the chip select line on the flash memory chip, which has the same function as the BOOT button on a Raspberry Pi Pico. So, I bet if Chris was feeling very brave, shorting RUN to GND, then shorting SPI_CS to GND, then releasing RUN, and finally releasing SPI_CS , would result in the rp2040 then showing up as a drive.
@@ExplainingComputers Hi, great overview of this interesting SBC Chris. As for the RP2040, as it doesn't show as a drive per se does it show as a serial COM port so it can be accessed as an Arduino device and flashed? I would expect it would so it then becomes useful as a microcontroller. I can then see this SBC being a very usefuly development device for RP2040 projects. Also, is there any connectivity from the RP2040 to the onboard WiFi, ethernet, sim slot or SD Card? maybe too many questions for you to answer but any insight would be appreciated.
It depends what you mwan by "instead" (ie level of compatibility). OKDo / Radxa do have compute modules: www.okdo.com/c/rock-shop/rock-compute-modules/
Alternatively, they could be jellyfish floating in space. Less fluidly, it could be space with jellyfish floating in it. In a universe this size, it's good to have options.
I honestly don't understand why you keep doing hands-on reviews of boards instead of creating new stuff. Since you have much knowledge in the AI space why don't you bring videos of creating neural networks with those boards, or doing some parallel computing, some diy projects connecting sensors, use the sbc for home automation, whatever. This channel is stuck in the same kind of (basic) content. Not hating but it's true...
Whilst I take your point, only about about 20 per cent of videos here are SBC reviews. And well over 50 per cent of the content has nothing to do with SBCs. I have tried many different kinds of SBC and related project. But, in general, they just do not get the views. For me, this is a business, and I need to deliver what the core and broader audience will watch. AI is an interesting one. I have tried on many occasions to make popular AI content, and have always failed! No doubt I will try again.
It would be interesting to compare this one with the mini-PC from a few weeks ago and with the refurbished computer from future videos. Which gives the best bang for the buck? (Hello, Stanley! -- Always good to see you.)
I may well make that comparison! :) I have (or soon will have) Passmark, Kdenlive render and drive/interface performance test results for all three. Stanley will this afternoon be upening up the refurbished SFF HP PC due on the channel two weeks today.
Why is this sbc so expensive iam confused it doesn't have a powerful CPU I wish you would test games for performance and some emulation of older systems like PS2 GameCube and Geekbench test great video though thanks 👍
The price is for the connectivity (dual 2.5Gb NICs, dual M.2 slot, SATA port, and GPIO), not the CPU. And like most SBCs, this will be produced in relatively low quantities.
Great video. I have said before I like the single board computer videos. I heard of something that I wonder how it would work on some of these computer which is ,"Tiny windows 10 and Tiny windows 11". I am wondering how they would work on boxes such as you have demonstrated?
Winblows 11 looks like a Mac user interface. I have no idea why they make us relearn the UI now on every single new edition of winblows. I am still in 10. Cool board. Plenty of storage options. No Mr Scissors appearance :(
I realized today... This computer could easily be set up as a home security computer, with sensors wired directly to the GPIO pins from around a house. Simple wired sensor detection, controls, and alarms could be set up by a noob programmer (like me), while emergency service integration could also be done by a more advanced programmer. Sim card integration along with a battery could make this even better for home security.
Hi Chris- Thanks for another great addition to the EC Library! The Odyssey seems to be a very well performing, fully loaded SBC. The 64GB eMMC storage is relatively small but as you demonstrated, it does have a variety of storage expandability options and you can clone Windows to a larger drive if you need to. Still happy with my Bmax B1 Plus which I loaded up with storage and Linux Mint on the SATA SSD I purchased and I also have the GPIO expandability module which I haven't installed yet. A project yet to come. Hope you are staying well! Best wishes. Rich
For some mad science, one could connect an M.2 NVMe-to-PCIe x2 slot (in the Key M slot) and throw an old graphics card on there. Little storage PC can now GPU render in the cloud! (albeit slowly..) Wouldn't fit in the case though
I asked for the board on a review-and-return basis to avoid having to flag the video as a paid promotion. I do normally purchase the hardware as you say.
@@ExplainingComputers That's great to know Chris... Not Seed Studio's fault but my bad assumptions. But I wish Seed had told you to keep the board. It would be a smart move because you often bring previous reviewed boards into new videos. Thank you for your awesome content ❤️
Ah, I suspect this board will appear again in my "Top 5 New SBCs 2023". And to allow that to happen, I have shot content for that (just as I did for the LattePanda 3 Delta last year, which I also had on review-and-return).
True. It all depends if you need two Ethernet ports, and the range of other connectivity. If so, I'm not aware of any x86 mini PC at this price which offers those.
At this price you can almost get a Steam deck when factoring in storage and other things you may need/want (case, cooling, display, something to interface with, even a battery) The deck has faster cpu, faster gpu and 16GB of RAM. OFC it depends what you want it for but for price vs price and if you just want a computer. Well i thought it was interesting to point out.
I wonder why they used the aging j4125: the faster Celeron n5105, also equipped with a faster iGPU, would have been the better choice me thinks ;-) Also: the j4215 only supports PCIe 2.0, cutting the max speed of any used PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD in half (1600MB/s)
Happy to see that they've finally moved on from those 8-bit Atmega chips. Nothing wrong with them, it's just that in the 2020's there are much better options. Nice review CB.
I love seed studio they have some great products. I have the previous model of the J4125. Its been a great little machine. I use it to try out various linux distros and use it for some of my projects. Nice video Chris! Good Job!
My first thought was when i saw dual 2.5Gb Ethernet and x86. What a good security gateway this thing could be like Astaro, Untangle...etc
I'm surprised the board wasn't in an anti-static bag? Oh well, I guess everyone needs to cut costs.
That is anti stat foam, always handle from pcb edges or grounded shield components
you are without doubts one of the most professional yet entertaining youtuber.
and the fact i can see your videos without subs because your clear pronunciation is a HUGE plus
Thanks for your kind feedback. :)
I like the look of this board - I can see quite a few uses for it.... it's interesting to see SBCs becoming quite powerful these days as they evolve - soon, if not already, they'll be able to be more than enough to be a viable production system.
Good point about Passmark, real world usage is where we should be looking, but then again it's not as flashy or headline grabbing 🙂
Thank you Chris, another excellent review!
Thanks for your support. :)
I can think of a use for it. A tiny FreeBSD server!
@@ExplainingComputers I have an Odyssey X86J4125, I could not use the GPIO under Windows or Ubuntu, if you have the unit can you please test with either OS.
Gotta say I'm pretty impressed with this one. And it's getting close to the point in SBC development that you'll have to start running video game performance tests to see how well they run. I don't expect extreme graphics settings to run on this, nor do I expect extremely modern games to run on it even at the lowest graphics settings. But this computer should run a lot of older games reasonably well. I suspect SBCs will start needing more substantial power delivery really soon though. So get ready to see a SBC with a power brick that is bigger than the computer in the near future. lol
Don't give "Dawid does Tech Stuff" any ideas! Yesterday he was gaming on a NAS. Some insanity that would never have occurred to me, watching someone struggling to play GTA-V on a NAS box.
yes
@@vincei4252 lol
yeah
You are so right I think he did emulation one time of video games I hate he doesn't test games on these computers or do a Geekbench
Using power hungry x86-64 chips in a low power purpose sbc, is like fully filling up a bucket with water, only drinking a cup out of it and pour out all the water in the bucket for nothing.
Greetings Chris. Wish you a happy, healthy, and productive week.
SBCs are becoming better and better with more drive slots, expansion options, better network connectivity. Good times for enthusiast and tinkerer community.
Such a great narrator you are. You know how much influence you have on our overall SBC experience. Usually I fall asleep listening to you.
Sleep is good.
Presumably that's a compliment!
Another excellent video. I would have also liked to see an Ethernet performance test of the 2.5 Gbps Ethernet interfaces (for example using iperf3)
Great review, thanks Chris. I only wish the times were back to when i could afford a new SBC and they were under $60, again. It's nice to watch, anyway, thanks Chris.
If I were in the market for an X86 machine of this sort this one would be great. I took an interest in the original Odyssey, but ended-up going another way, but still with a 4-core Celeron, the N5095.
I believe that the phrase "appropriate technology" is one that should be applied in computing and elsewhere. The cost of living on the "bleeding edge" is much to dear and completely unnecessary most of the time. Cheers!
in other words its shit?I am tired of underpowered sbc. give us real stuff now
Thank you for another SBC video. Excellent work; as usual, you make the information manageable for those of us who are (more or less) familiar with these systems but who lack your level of understanding... and you make it entertaining. Glad to see Stanley, too.
Stanley says "hi". :)
@@ExplainingComputers
*Laughs*
That's a good one....thank you!!
It's a wonderful piece of hardware to update my old NAS.
Thanks !!
Personally I'm interested in its performance as a filtering router
Good comment.
Excellent! I'd love to see an implementation of a custom router using this and the banana double Ethernet port SBC!
I like seeing "Happy Jellyfish Floating in Space"! Wonderful, informative review, Professor. Thank you...🇺🇸 😎👍☕
This would also make a lovely media server; the integrated graphics offers hardware accelerated video encoding, allowing for multiple streams of video transcoding, perfect for something like Plex.
The specs were UHD600. Not sure it would be capable of a solid transcode. What I would like to see is how well this board loads and plays 1080p from youtube, but more importantly 4K from a plex server. I'm thinking this may be an ultimate client for Plex. Load Linux Mint and run the linux fat client. I believe mpv should have no problems playing 4K as long as it can access the hardware acceleration for it, and if it can, the plex client should be able to as well.
@@scotthassel8124 My Synology DS220+ has a J4025, the dual core variant of this chip, and it can hardware transcode with relative ease.
@@cromulence JellyFin wiki suggests the UHD600 would only be capable of a single transcode stream where higher end GPUs support more formats for hardware encode/decode and multiple simultaneous streams.
Something else to consider with respect to Plex/JellyFin transcoding is that a GPU may support something but it can be effectively useless due to lack of software support and/or licensing.
@n n that is patently false. I have had desktop motherboards with dual ethernet.
I gotta LOL that the display scaling in Windows *STILL* doesn't work right. Look at 9:24 and you can see the _"Sign in"_ button text and _"Learn more"_ are both chopped off on the bottom. AND this is Microsoft programming and not some 3rd party programming that doesn't accept scaling well. Too funny.
This would be a great board for nextcloud
Got a n5105 (11th gen) mini computer for $134... 8gb ram 256gb ssd. Some minis have both m.2 and sata. And true, no easy gpio, but adafruit has a USB card that effectively gives you a gpio. (Saw that on your channel!! Very cool.) We (me and my students) use arduinos for gpios (effectively) by simply talking to the PC over USB, not hard. Arduino can talk to any program that way, including python, processing or unity programs they write. What is the case for this over a cheaper newer mini pc with a faster cpu + and Arduino (or any microcontroller) of your choice?
Nice X86 SBC. Should make a good NAS.
That moment when you are looking at Win11 S/N and thinking that it really even isn't worth of tensing brain to decipher it. :-(((
I thought about blurring it. But the last block of digits is covered by the yellow tape, so I decided to avoid a visual distraction.
This thing is a powerhouse. I'd love to see either the Intel n5095 or perhaps an Intel N6005 instead of the J4125.
Interesting little board. Like the available SATA ports and faster etherent ports. Now if they can get them in stock and remain so...
Be well my friend!
At 6:19 Idea for a video:
Wireless specifications....
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac....I think there is ad, ax, and others.
Can you make a video about Wi-Fi and the various iterations on the 802.11 standard please?? If you have already made a video but it has been awhile, is it time to make an update due to all the changes?? I think I heard Wi-Fi 7 has already been ratified, which specification would that entail, there is Wi-Fi 5, 6, and 6E.... Those boil down to one of the iterations of the specification, which one?
I find a little confusing is all....
Could you add Bluetooth into the mix please?? You said this board has Bluetooth 5....there is a 5LE, I think I've heard of the Bluetooth 6, I wasn't it called something else before Bluetooth 5 or Bluetooth 4??
Thank you for your time;
Monte
A good video idea -- noted. :)
Onboard RP2040 is pretty nifty. I like the way it advertises Linux on the box, too. Lack of Win 11 installation medium is rather disappointing.
You don't get installation media bundled with any computer these days. Even when CD- and DVD-ROMs were still a thing it was only moderately high-end manufacturers, such as Apple and HP, who included them.
I've had the v1 Odyssey board running as a server for the last 3 years. It hasn't missed a beat running jellyfin where it does very well with hardware transcoding, home assistant, network backups and a few other services. The V1 has an arduino co-processor instead of the RP2040. It's proven to be very useful and I'd definitely use one again.
j4125 based micro/mini atx/itx motherboards cost around $100 in any computer shop. 8GB ddr4 is +$20. psu is like $30-40. So you get same hardware any day but cheaper and more flexible. You can put in 10Gbe sfp+ card in it for example. Ok, it will be a little bigger. But that's not a mobile device so that's totally fine in most cases. So I don't get the strict need for an sbc.
Fair point, but it depends on the application. I'm not aware of any $100 J4125 boards with 2.5Gb Ethernet, let alone twin NICs and two M.2 slots. :)
@@ExplainingComputers not to mention the rp2040 built in and GPIO pins which adds some very interesting options
Wow! Retail price for a Windows 11 Pro license is $199 here in the USA. (I should know, I just bought one a couple of weeks ago to run in my Parallels Desktop VM on my M2 Pro MacBook Pro.) So, basically, for only an additional $99 you get an entire computer with that! With a *bunch* of connectivity, including two 2.5Gb Ethernet ports?! That's an extremely good deal!
Thanks Chris for another great video. Price and size are deal killers for me. SBC's getting bigger and more expensive puts this class of SBC in line with a NUC at this point IMO. A NUC at this price point will have a better X86 processor and more expandability. GPIO dongles can be bought for under $20 for any computer. It appears that SBC devs are loosing sight as what the original concept of SBC's popularity and use was indented to be.
@n n The clue is in the title.... it is an SBC... that happens to be capable of running windows...as well as other operating systems. that windows capability comes at a price, something not everybody will be willing to pay.
.hmmm. You get the equivalent cpu / board from asrock as ITX-J4125 (also m-itx matx.. different versions) for around 110 bucks.
Of course then also need power supply,ram and case, maybe adding pci express network card, license.. so wont be cheaper.
BUT the cpu = tech is from Q4 2019 .. so i'm not really impressed that they come out with this version mid 2023.. and would go for the J5040-itx version.
Wow. They keep making single board computers better and better. But I still watch RUclips, including Explaining Computers, on my Raspberry Pi 3. Lol.
So two built-in Ethernet ports says "router device" to me immediately, and then I'm thinking of pfSense as an open source router/firewall/NAT box for a home or small office network.
But last year I picked up a nearly new Fujitsu Futro thin client box with quad core AMD CPU in it and a built in PCI-E slot that let me fit a second Ethernet interface into it - I then stuck in an additional 4GB RAM to get it to 8GB and a 120GB SSD to load on pfSense - and the total was probably around £80 and less than half the price of this Odyssey board.
Sure, if you need 2.5Gb Ethernet then the Odyssey box wins on that basis, but it does strike me as very pricey for what it is.
Is the Celeron J4125 still relivant when the N6000 is out now? For this price I don't think soo. The cellular network avalibility is interesting though.
This great if you intend to *USE* the pi or pin outs, but any mini pc or netbook with an Intel N6005 will destroy this thing in CPU performance and *DOUBLE* the GPU performance for around $130 while these start ay$218.
I like the addition of the RP2040 but I honestly can't see why you'd integrate one on the system like this.
Is this a tinker board? Then why Windows 11?
Is this a small PC replacement? Then why does it have a GPIO with an RP2040?
It's trying to be everything at once when This should really be two different products - A higher-performance consumer mini PC and a lower performance tinker PC with a microcontroller for whatever you'd use it for.
Thanks for another great video. I want to see Stanley the Knife working over time. Maybe the parts shortage is starting to wane.
I was hoping for quantum computer performance at Raspberry Pi costs....Oh well!
Have nice week.
Anything getting near $250 and no memory slots is a hard pass for me. I do like the rest of the of the features but they could have also skipped the emmc. Even the emmc modules are not widely used and cost more than "normal" storage options. For tinkering options this board is more than I am willing to pay. I am not critizing you intentionally Chris but where's the GPIO functionality tests? I2C functionality?
it's got some nice features but a boxed minipc with the same cpu (e.g. gmktec nucbox) is for less than half the price. sure, those boxes don't have integrated rp2040 board, gpios or dual 2.5gbe ports, but that's still a large difference for a board with same cpu.
my kabylake refresh laptop uses less power (at the battery, so it may be inaccurate) idling, even on FreeBSD.
it's not as capable in I/O as this, though.
At modern 'SBC' prices, they're trying to get you to believe that an 'SBC' is somehow cool and hip not just a kinda shitty laptop without a screen...
I think that running Windows on that board is a bit pointless. Maybe there is some DIY incentive here but quite limited in my opinion, but I can imagine some commercial use of it.
I love the RP2040 on board, especially if UART or USB UART are exposed, this gives this board enormous versatility both from Micropython and C SDK.
But I think the best use for it are those two Ethernet ports, which can make it great firewall / router project.
I'd be interested to know how those Ethernet ports perform.
Personally, I prefer some used MicroPC like HP 705 or DELL 3040.
wow - even a clean windows install is over 20gb? I run arch and although have a metric ton of crap installed I don't get into double-digit gb for the OS
windows is very bloaty
Wish they would stop using SATA as the primary drive. They are so outdated. PCIe should be the standard now. 😉
Probably the Odroid H3+ would be an alternative, with the more actual chipset. the cost is compareable.
this is the type of video I wanted to see on SBC's capabilities in Media playback and 3d rendering, and also power consumption, I want to get one of these for that reason, low power usage and footprint, not sure the AMR PC's will be as capable in some of the things I would want to use them for.
For the price it feels somewhat underwhelming, especially for a processor that was introduced in 2019. I/O is pretty good but just screams for a newer processor.
i think x86 sbc (as a sub catalog of sbc) they neither go high performance way (such as powerful processor or external standalone graphic card by lighting or usb 3 or 4 or something like this one with powerful IO) or going to ultra portable giving the size similar to raspberry pi (i wish in this case they can have a version of sbc with out the rj45 and all usb are no ‘standing up’) and making something like computingcard
Thanks for another great video. This seems to be a very capable SBC.
Thank you, sir! Good video installment. And as always, I look forward to the next presentation, as usual. Sunday GOTO...
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looks like it would make for a nice custom router. hook up a nas and a 2.5gbit switch and your off to the races. but i would prefer to get one without windows if that could save some money. pfsense is free.
interesting device but I cannot help that if I was looking for something like this I would just buy a 2nd hand laptop and run it headless
A very well specced and capable board, though if I was looking for an SBC computer as a desktop alternative there are much cheaper options.
Does anyone need so many storage options on a board like this ? Handy to have them, but I'd imagine that anyone who needs them would be better served by a more powerful computer anyway.
As always, the closer look is very thorough. It's very informative when you compare performance between the various single board computers and I like that it's compatible with Raspberry Pi.
I am afraid that I am still stuck in the PC world.
So I REALLY appreciate you reviewing this SBC.
Thank you.
Hello to Stanley, btw.
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Another great video, I see you are almost at 1 mill subscribers!
Oh, another cool thing that I could definitely find a use for, but I'm unlikely to buy it anytime soon.
Good video but...
1. No GPIO tests
2. It is not clear how the RP2040 is powered. Does it run on standby power when the main computer is in sleep mode or turned off?
The primary drive here -- the eMMC -- is not SATA. :) And I ran Linux from the NVMe M.2 slot.
@@ExplainingComputers Okay, but you probably meant to answer another user, my comment is not related to this😄
Oh yes, sorry I've messed up. My bad. :(
A slight improvement over the older version which I find is working fine.
I'd like to see them increase onboard ram to 16GB.
Also, if they will offer it, it would be nice if they had a fully assembled version. Connecting the wifi module wires is extremely frustrating.
Excellent video. Thank you🎉, I see a NAS project here❤
Great Video as always. Love the subtle digs at MS, they make me chukkle.
Seems like a nice board. I hope they will do a version with the new ‘N’ CPUs, now that Intel has killed the celeron and pentium brands.
its a little hilarious that single board computers are starting to come disturbingly close to the specifications of the very old pc I still use every day!
Hi Chris, another great video. Per chance was drive D: supposed to be called SATA-NTFS instead of SATAN-FTS ? Asking for a friend :) I can't say I fault you either way when it comes to NTFS 😂
Almost certainly so! :)
Maybe it's a devil of a drive? ;-)
This is a clever SBC with lots of interesting features. 😎 However for the price range I believe if it had USB-4 that would be a game changer. Thank you for the great video.
Seem to be a nice candidate for a DIY Firewall Project because of the 2 Lan Ports.
Another excellent video although, I must admit, I am not fully conversant with a lot of the terminology and systems. Have you ever thought of writing a book for those of us who lack some of some of the knowledge, or even a video. I am also glad to see Stanley back in the spotlight again.
A terminology video is a great idea. Noted!
Chris has already written 13 books, according to his bio, in case you weren't aware.
Great vid. Now we're talking. These SBCs are improving tremendously. Thank you.
10:16 I would VERY much like to see you do an episode on the "stripped/ lightweight" Windows OS copies that are floating out there. A deep dive into them would help us all I think. I like the idea of stripping out the bloat and spying out of windows, but I also know that an altered program could also be spying on you. But a genius like yourself could help determine if that is indeed the case.
A good video idea -- noted. :)
@@ExplainingComputers I'd particularly enjoy your opinion of Electrohaz's de-bloated Win10 & Win11 that he offers for running (well) on the Atomic Pi. Thanks, Chris.
Very nice review! Does the RP2040 show up like a drive as usual? That is what really peaked my interest!
It does not show up as a drive. Seeed normally document their hardware very well with tutorials, so hopefully one of these will appear soon indicating the access methods.
I love that this has a built-in rp2040. I had a quick look at the manual and there isn't much info about it except for a pinout of its GPIO and a few other pins, including RUN and SPI_CS. I suspect the rp2040 doesn't come up as a drive as it, or rather its flash memory chip, probably isn't programmed. I also suspect that the SPI_CS pin refers to the chip select line on the flash memory chip, which has the same function as the BOOT button on a Raspberry Pi Pico. So, I bet if Chris was feeling very brave, shorting RUN to GND, then shorting SPI_CS to GND, then releasing RUN, and finally releasing SPI_CS , would result in the rp2040 then showing up as a drive.
@@ExplainingComputers Hi, great overview of this interesting SBC Chris. As for the RP2040, as it doesn't show as a drive per se does it show as a serial COM port so it can be accessed as an Arduino device and flashed? I would expect it would so it then becomes useful as a microcontroller. I can then see this SBC being a very usefuly development device for RP2040 projects. Also, is there any connectivity from the RP2040 to the onboard WiFi, ethernet, sim slot or SD Card? maybe too many questions for you to answer but any insight would be appreciated.
How much does Stanley get paid for these bit parts? I
Ah it's look pretty decent in ng book thanks Christopher have a nice week
Stopped watching when I found out it has Microsoft-tax on it.
Are there any Linux SOM or SBCs (with operating temperature -40 to +85) currently available that can be used instead of Raspberry Pi Compute-4?
It depends what you mwan by "instead" (ie level of compatibility). OKDo / Radxa do have compute modules: www.okdo.com/c/rock-shop/rock-compute-modules/
Alternatively, they could be jellyfish floating in space. Less fluidly, it could be space with jellyfish floating in it. In a universe this size, it's good to have options.
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I could find many uses for this board/connectivity
I honestly don't understand why you keep doing hands-on reviews of boards instead of creating new stuff. Since you have much knowledge in the AI space why don't you bring videos of creating neural networks with those boards, or doing some parallel computing, some diy projects connecting sensors, use the sbc for home automation, whatever. This channel is stuck in the same kind of (basic) content. Not hating but it's true...
Whilst I take your point, only about about 20 per cent of videos here are SBC reviews. And well over 50 per cent of the content has nothing to do with SBCs. I have tried many different kinds of SBC and related project. But, in general, they just do not get the views. For me, this is a business, and I need to deliver what the core and broader audience will watch.
AI is an interesting one. I have tried on many occasions to make popular AI content, and have always failed! No doubt I will try again.
Sunday afternoon. Cup of tea, biscuit, Explaining Computers with a new SBC. That'll do nicely.
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It would be interesting to compare this one with the mini-PC from a few weeks ago and with the refurbished computer from future videos. Which gives the best bang for the buck? (Hello, Stanley! -- Always good to see you.)
I may well make that comparison! :) I have (or soon will have) Passmark, Kdenlive render and drive/interface performance test results for all three. Stanley will this afternoon be upening up the refurbished SFF HP PC due on the channel two weeks today.
Why is this sbc so expensive iam confused it doesn't have a powerful CPU I wish you would test games for performance and some emulation of older systems like PS2 GameCube and Geekbench test great video though thanks 👍
The price is for the connectivity (dual 2.5Gb NICs, dual M.2 slot, SATA port, and GPIO), not the CPU. And like most SBCs, this will be produced in relatively low quantities.
Great video. I have said before I like the single board computer videos. I heard of something that I wonder how it would work on some of these computer which is ,"Tiny windows 10 and Tiny windows 11". I am wondering how they would work on boxes such as you have demonstrated?
Thanks for this. I may indeed do a video on Tiny 10/11.
Disliked this by mistake, stupidly, which I’ve now corrected. Sorry Chris, excellent work as always!
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Winblows 11 looks like a Mac user interface. I have no idea why they make us relearn the UI now on every single new edition of winblows. I am still in 10. Cool board. Plenty of storage options. No Mr Scissors appearance :(
Mr Scissors will always return . . .
Interesting view of yet another SBC. Thanks Mr. Barnatt!
I realized today... This computer could easily be set up as a home security computer, with sensors wired directly to the GPIO pins from around a house. Simple wired sensor detection, controls, and alarms could be set up by a noob programmer (like me), while emergency service integration could also be done by a more advanced programmer. Sim card integration along with a battery could make this even better for home security.
What an amazing thought. :)
Classic Edge Browser statement( Joke) 🤣
😂 the windows sticker placement is weird though
That's a nice board, it would make a nice Linux server!!
Very much so. :)
I love this guy for multiple reasons man you are so funny, long live to you my man
Hi Chris- Thanks for another great addition to the EC Library! The Odyssey seems to be a very well performing, fully loaded SBC. The 64GB eMMC storage is relatively small but as you demonstrated, it does have a variety of storage expandability options and you can clone Windows to a larger drive if you need to. Still happy with my Bmax B1 Plus which I loaded up with storage and Linux Mint on the SATA SSD I purchased and I also have the GPIO expandability module which I haven't installed yet. A project yet to come. Hope you are staying well! Best wishes. Rich
Sounds like you are going to keep getting good value from the Bmax. :)
@@ExplainingComputers Yes and thanks again for the recommendation! Rich
@@ExplainingComputers PS- But with all the expansion options of the Odyssey, it's very tempting! :)
For some mad science, one could connect an M.2 NVMe-to-PCIe x2 slot (in the Key M slot) and throw an old graphics card on there. Little storage PC can now GPU render in the cloud! (albeit slowly..) Wouldn't fit in the case though
Hey Seed Studio, I can't believe you asked Chris to send the board back. Chris bought the first board with his own money and got you a great review. 😣
I asked for the board on a review-and-return basis to avoid having to flag the video as a paid promotion. I do normally purchase the hardware as you say.
@@ExplainingComputers That's great to know Chris... Not Seed Studio's fault but my bad assumptions.
But I wish Seed had told you to keep the board. It would be a smart move because you often bring previous reviewed boards into new videos.
Thank you for your awesome content ❤️
Ah, I suspect this board will appear again in my "Top 5 New SBCs 2023". And to allow that to happen, I have shot content for that (just as I did for the LattePanda 3 Delta last year, which I also had on review-and-return).
@@ExplainingComputers That's what a Pro Creator do. Dang it! You are smart, Professor!
Overpriced. So many mini pcs available that are better deals...and yes, with 2.5gbe.
True. It all depends if you need two Ethernet ports, and the range of other connectivity. If so, I'm not aware of any x86 mini PC at this price which offers those.
Mmm.. worthy pfsense replacement
At this price you can almost get a Steam deck when factoring in storage and other things you may need/want (case, cooling, display, something to interface with, even a battery)
The deck has faster cpu, faster gpu and 16GB of RAM. OFC it depends what you want it for but for price vs price and if you just want a computer. Well i thought it was interesting to point out.
Thanks, I wasn't aware Chris had written books.
$300 for a sbc is quite pricey. Gone are the days of $35 SBC
Very true.
I wonder why they used the aging j4125: the faster Celeron n5105, also equipped with a faster iGPU, would have been the better choice me thinks ;-)
Also: the j4215 only supports PCIe 2.0, cutting the max speed of any used PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD in half (1600MB/s)
This I do not know.
@@ExplainingComputers I see that the max speed of your SSD was a bit higher: 1822MB/s. That's not bad 🙂
Nowadays people can get a regular x86 computer in SBC form factors (if they need x86 for any reason), which is good to hear.
Happy to see that they've finally moved on from those 8-bit Atmega chips. Nothing wrong with them, it's just that in the 2020's there are much better options. Nice review CB.
I love seed studio they have some great products. I have the previous model of the J4125. Its been a great little machine. I use it to try out various linux distros and use it for some of my projects. Nice video Chris! Good Job!
Thanks for this. I've found the first J4105 Odyssey board to be a superb test bench -- and it will continue to be so.