Battle of the Zeros
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- I took a look at the three main small form factor SBC. They all have the same form factor as the Raspberry Pi Zero. Let’s see how the Raspberry Pi Zero 2W, the Radxa Zero 3W, and the Orange Pi Zero 2W compare in a few different categories.
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Thanks for the objective review, Radxa will improve the software and documentation. Starting with the Radxa Imager tool first.
That would be great! Keep me posted on progress!
@Radxa - good to see you’re watching. I really like your hardware, but weak support has kept me from trying a project with your boards. I’ll keep an eye out!
@@SchoolforHackers I am sorry Radxa team is small at the moment and we are catching up, we will become an official Armbian partner to serve our users better.
@@radxa-computer That’s excellent to see! Thanks
The fact you commented is great. I’ve been on the fence for a radxa zero 2 or 3. I might now.
My lamp broke. Now my room is de-lighted.
(Great video, thank you!)
THANK YOU!!! I've been looking for a head-to-head comparison on these specific boards! Much appreciated! 👍
Delighted but I feel I need to watch this over again with a notepad so that I can sort of get my head around all the information that you covered without charts 😉
I am delighted to watch this comparison of zero boards. Thank you for this great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Delighted to find this new channel great side by side review thank you
Cheers! Thanks!
Thank you. Very delighted indeed about this comparison.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 *📦 Introduction and Overview*
- Introduction to the comparison of three small factor SBCs: Raspberry Pi Zero 2W, Radxa Zero 3W, and Orange Pi Zero 2W.
- Criteria for comparison include ease of use, documentation, performance, and a bonus category for accessories.
02:13 *📝 Specifications Overview*
- Detailed specifications of Raspberry Pi Zero 2W, including its price.
- Introduction to Radxa Zero 3W's specs and price, followed by the specifications and pricing of the Orange Pi Zero 2W.
06:09 *🖥️ Ease of Use*
- Evaluation of ease of use for Raspberry Pi Zero 2W, highlighting the ease of setup and exceptional documentation.
- Analysis of Orange Pi Zero 2W's setup process, OS availability, and documentation, noting some drawbacks.
- Radxa Zero 3W's ease of use discussion, mentioning its OS options, setup simplicity, but challenging documentation.
13:18 *💻 Performance and Usability*
- Performance comparison based on a CPU benchmark, with Radxa Zero 3W leading, followed by Orange Pi and Raspberry Pi.
- Desktop experience comparison, highlighting the superior performance of Orange Pi Zero 2W.
15:29 *🤖 Use Cases and Accessories*
- Discussion of potential use cases for small factor SBCs and the importance of camera connectors for projects involving vision.
- Evaluation of accessory compatibility and support, with a focus on camera module support and ecosystem.
18:58 *🏆 Conclusion and Final Scores*
- Summary of scores for each board across all categories, declaring Raspberry Pi as the overall winner for its support and ease of use.
- Final thoughts on choosing the right board for specific project needs, and invitation for viewer engagement.
thank you chatgpt
Delighted. I too was curious about the small small sbc's... I'm glad I chose to use my Pi zero 2 w as my home DNS only.
Good choice!
delighted that you were consistent in calling it eemc instead of emmc
Thanks for the feedback. I'm saying emmc but because of my accent it might sound like eemc to you
@@makerbymistakelol.
You alright.
i caught the accent after about the third time @makerbymistake said it, im an Aussie we also were taught that m was pronounced EM with the accent on the e. but it had me thinking for a couple of seconds. JMAO
Orange Pi and Radxa's impressive specs are not enough to merit my purchase. Simply delighted!
Delighted to see the different kinds of projects that these little SBCs can be used for. Too many projects! No time!
Make time
I hear you!
I agree and am delighted with your grading and that it depends on one’s use case. I used a few Raspberry Pi Zero W’s to ‘smartify’ some UPS’s in my house using NUT. Absolutely minimal performance needed for that… just a usb connector + wifi running headless. I even found a remote iPhone monitoring app. Inexpensive and reliable. 😊
Got here from the video 'Radxa X2L: Mini PC and a Pi had a BABY!' Nice haircut, very delighted when swapping back to the other video. :)
The hair goes through cycles, thanks ;)
Delighted to have found your channel,and it was a fair comparison
Delighted to read this comment 😉
I asked on the raspberry pi forum about why the current versions of the OS were not listed. I got no answer and my post was removed without explanation. I guess it's not something they want to talk about. You have download the current image from the web site and then can choose it from the Imager.
The other factor to consider is the community that can support the device. Despite problems with the Raspberry Pi forums and the occasional toxicity of the Raspberry Pi Reddits, I think the Raspberry products still win here.
Delighted. :D
I'm delighted to find a new maker channel with great content!
Thanks!
Delighted! That was a great review. I have selected the OrangePi for my future sUAS (drone) projects. The form factor, OS availability, and amount of RAM are my criteria.
Awesome. Would love to see a drone build
i was truly delighted to see how unbioaased this was and that you arent afraid to just crap on the pi where it deserves to be crapped on, namely, the performance.
delighted to see more sbc content/comparisons
"Delighted" I liked the scientific approach to the ratings. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm always delighted to watch your videos. I always learn something new and I really enjoy them. Keep up the good work!
Cheers! Thanks for watching
Delighted to see the comparison, the Radxa sounds best for my needs. thanks for doing my homework for me.
delighted to see a comprehensive comparisons of the boards strengths and weaknesses
Cheers! Thanks for watching
Thank You for making this video. It's so elaborate, unbiased and helpful.
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Delighted
This was an interesting video as I just bought my first SBC, a Raspberry Pi Zero 2W.
Delighted to see a good review of these options.
Definitely Delighted! Great review and at the right time for my project. Thanks.
Delighted with your comparison of the three small form factor SBC boards. I have the Raspberry Pi Zero 2W and I just got the Orange Pi Zero 2W.
The Raspberry Pi has great ease of use and documentation, but average performance. The Orange Pi so far does not have hdmi output, so it is a work in progress.
Was delighted to see these three compared
I appreciate that review. In fact, one could say I'm delighted with it. With Zeroish things, I would be interested in performance to power consumption.
Yeah, I'll include power performance in future comparisons. But power draw really depends on processing load and attached hardware
I was so delighted to see a video comparing the boards i have just been researching for a quadruped! RPI has the best SBC base, but their boards are just mediocer now considering the technology availability like in the Nvidia jetson Orin. I really need a form factor like these or even the compute modules (comparison suggestion!?), but almost landed on the Radxa for the SoC alone. Considering how amateur my knowledge is on programming, it looks like RPIZ2W is the safest option.
In my opinion, for beginners, the RPi is the best option because of the amazing documentation
I'd be interested in the radxa zero 2 pro. It seems to be a faster spec than the 3.
The Radxa Zero 2 Pro has a different form factor, so it didn't fit in this comparison. It has a display conector, which is nice, but it lacks in all of the same areas that the Radxa Zero 3W lacks in
@@makerbymistake oh good to know! I assumed the 3w had the same form factor.
@@Aplysia The 3W has the same form factor as the Raspberry Pi Zero. The 2 Pro has a different footprint, it's wider
Microlinix has a great (3rd party) Armbiam image for the Zero 2 Pro that works incredibly well and Joshua Riek has Ubuntu Desktop images for Rockchip. I don't know if he has a Radxa Zero 3W image yet, but I suspect he will as there's one for the Orange Pi 3B which runs on the same processor as the 3W and is pretty decent. The downside of both boards and to be you get the best performance out of them, at least as of now, from third party images.
I'm absolutely delighted to find another interesting RUclipsr covering cool electronics! :)
More to come!
I am very Delighted by the results. That 512megs truly gimps the Zero2W. It also used to lock up when pushed a little too hard. Anyway, good video! 🙂
Yeah, the 512 RAM doesn't help
I am delighted I used an RPI zero 2 iny recent project. Power consumption was my top prio, btw :)
I am truly delighted. Currently I am starting my journey with electronics, so I don't have specific plans, but I suppose thet Orange Pi Zero 2W will suits my needs.
Great comparison! It's good to see more Orange Pi zero 2W videos on youtube. By the way, one major difference that puts the Raspberry Pi Zero 2W way back is the RAM memory which is DDR2, besides Orange Pi and Radxa that have DDR4 which is a huge difference in speed that sometimes leaves the Raspberry Pi Zero 2W unusable for some applications. Great video!
Yeah, the memory on the Pi model is setting it back, for sure
I was delighted to see a comparison of these 3 boards. I just bought the RPi board but will have a better idea which board to pick if it doesn’t meet my needs.
I love different OS's for Raspberry Pi. I have the Raspberry Pi 4B 8GB in the Vilros Keyboard TouchPad Hub Running Berryboot OS's and recently did a 128 GB SD for Windows 11. I use Libreoffice in safe mode and configure Disable Hardware acceleration to get better performance. I just picked the Pi Zero 2W for a SNES MSU-1 Emulator. I picked up two Pico NES systems from Ali E too. I highly recommend the Uperfect touch screen monitor 15.6 ". It's really nice. The Rapoo K2800 keyboard as well for different things. The scroll wheel is a must.
The Raspberry pi zero needs to be updated to 2gb ram add a couple bucks to the price and most people would agree with the price increase
They want to, but the problem is that there aren't RAM modules that fit in the specific form factor that the Pi Foundation is looking for. This isn't a problem on the other boards because they put components on the bottom, but the Pi has a smooth bottom which complicates things.
I got a couple of these in a drawer because they're cute and i deluded myself into thi king i would use them for something
At least the drawer is providing moral support 😜
Looking at supported OSes by number of available images is very misleading. You should check out how fast manufacturer abandons support for their boards. For example I have "Orange Pi One" which had Ubuntu and Debian images available in ~2020. And zero updates after that. So while I have few perfectly working hardware boards none of these are usable due to lack of up to date software side (and I don't want to run old, vulnerable OSes).
Raspberry Pi OS (32bit) supports ALL existing raspberry pi boards and is still updated/maintained.
That is a good point
1st gen Raspberry Pis still have some 3rd party distro support! To me support and cost are the important things for an SBC.
Subscribed - delighted.
Delighted to see this comparison.
Radxa boards always have great specs, but there's always something lacking elsewhere.
I’m delighted. to have found this work up. Thank You
I think that's a fair assessment.
Was completely unaware of these SBC options; just placed an order for a ton of different models to compare performance for my own use cases.
I often use boards like these for webserver applications and while the RP Zero 2W has been *fine* for that, it just doesn't have the capability necessary for large file streaming, so I'm curious how these other options will compare on that front.
I would recommend one of the full sized SBCs for that application
My first impression is, I am delighted to meet you. I learned a lot from this review; Thank you.
Thank you for your review of the Zeros SBC, it have been an enlightment for decision on selection of board for tiny small projects, as for the camera related i would also consider Milk-V duo board although it would have a the lowest score for the stated criteria
Delighted to see a review that didn't stop at the paper specs, as others noted great hardware with poor documentation and support is a paperweight.
One thing I wish more reviews focused on was the low level hardware, to me the real selling point of these sbcs is the ability to directly interface and control hardware in a project. This seems pretty glossed over usually, with a brief mention of a number of gpio (which is cool, but other peripherals and especially niche ones like i2s go unmentioned entirely).
This was helpful. I'm delighted that there's competition for the Raspberry Pi, but it looks like it's going to be the Pi Zero 2w for me.
Yeah, good to see competition
Excellent video, I was delighted to watch it!
Cheers!
Hearing about the Radxa Nio 12L is quite interesting one in terms of the performance and also with the integrated mediatek chipset.
Yes, this was delightful. Viewing the spec sheets online can be a bit misleading if you don't have real world examples showing what those specs actually translate to in real life scenarios.
For sure!
" delighted " that it covered quite a few aspects of each board.
Thank you, I was wondering about these boards. I was delighted.
Hi Delighted, nice comparative test with simple but efficient criteria easy to remove if somebody doesn't care about a particular test - this kind of test is quite important, because results sometimes bring surprises up. :)
I was delighted and appreciate the time you invested.
I have and OrangePi with 1.5Mb and the expansion board to make embedded development, easier, (Ethernet speeds things up) I had hopes of using the 24 pin pin connector in place of the 40 gpio pins for some embedded apps, but it appears to be connected to an ASIC chip which locks in the pin functions.
One disappointment in the Orangepi is the lack of GPU support in all the linux distributions, maybe it works in android? The vast variety of ready to run Raspberry pi code gives that board a huge advantage for rookies who need to build on to a working code base.
For sure
the new sbc from Radxa, the NIO 12L, is also pretty good with dual 4k output, mediatek genio 1200, and 16 gigs of RAM.
I'm delighted, thanks for alternatives
Delighted! Thanks for a great comparison…
Glad you enjoyed it!
delighted to know the orange pi can be used as a desktop successfully!
Delighted. I think we all use boards differently. I use as headless docker servers, in which case the Orange Pi beats the pants off of the Raspberry Pi. Keep in mind I only have power connected to both boards. The Orange Pi is always snappier, with 4X ram than the RPI. I don't have a Radxa, but I'm sure it would be better. Good comparison!
delighted to find a new channel!
Delighted.... I'm a 3d model creator and I'm starting on a pip boy project, and I'm adding a raspberry pi. 😃👍🏻
Delight(ful)ed video.
delighted! I am curious about how these boards or other boards would perform with different screens? I am unsure what screens are better compared to others and how to figure out the compatibility.
What kind of screens? It will depend on the interface and difficult to cover all of them in a video. Raspberry Pi usually has better support overall
I know exactly why there are those callouts are there in the orange pi manual. Each one of them represents thousands of customer service calls from new users thinking the password cannot be entered or doesn't match the one given in the manual. Customer service people got very frustrated and requested the addition of those callouts.
Hi Andy, do you work for Orange Pi? Would love to connect
I am delighted to see some viable alternatives to the semicircle _Rubus_ .
The citrus flavour seems quite enticing, especially with its video capabilities. I would like to see a good audio DAC though for media use. I suppose HDMI is an option for getting it out, or potentially even a DiY SPDIF IF THE GPIOs are fast enough, but I would love the option to get the analog signal directly from the board.
There are DACs for the Raspberry Pi, I haven't seen one compatible with the other two.
@@makerbymistake I am aware of those, I am however uncertain of whether they are completely compatible with the zeros.
I would like to see compatible ones for the one with 4k capabilities. I did of course overlook the fact that all of the boards do have usb, so for pure audio applications, a good usb connected DAC is of course a real option as latency wouldn’t be a problem and for video applications I guess they are capable of sending high quality audio over HDMI. I may have seen problems where there really are none. If building a portable device, then the original comment is indeed still valid though.
For my current purposes, I mainly want to have an AirPlay receiver for audio that doesn’t phone home to the Fruit Company all the time, that is also capable of video reproduction in the quality I want.
actually the rpizero 2 w supports bookworm and works just fine
delighted? yeah, sure, given that the video took a very sensible approach to this.
Thanks!
You can’t use a browser on 512mb of ram. Those things burn some 800mb when they try to fully compress so the raspberry zero never even had a chance.
Great video delighted with the score.
Glad you enjoyed it
Delighted, thanks for your effort
Thanks for watching!
Delighted to see this, thank you. I actually (sort of) use pi zeroes as a desktop, though mainly to VNC to a Ubuntu desktop
I would have been delighted to see a power consumption comparison while running the cpu benchmark
I'll definitely do that in the future
Delighted to discover your channel
Mate, what about the accessory board that the orangepi allows whereas others don't? Thank you for the video although would be great to understand your score card values. Some of the comments seemed a bit biased. Nevertheless, somewhat delighted.
That accessory board adds functionality that is available on on other boards as a HAT. There's a USB hub board for the Pi, there's an Ethernet board. Buttons are easily added through GPIO. I don't see it as anything special
Thank you for the insight, agree with you in that case. Quite ignorant and unaware of expansion options across the board. Does the radxa also have a hat option ?
Thanks for the video. Would be nice to compare power draw of those modules, as it might be a crucial point for battery powered applications. Delighted to subscribe to you channel)
Yeah, I'll include temp and power in future comparisons
Nothing starts perfect, first RPi came out after a lot of struggles. I'm delighted to see competition for hobbyists. And actual big improvement over the first "orangepi zero" many years ago. That one was disaster when it comes to support and documentation. It was only thanks to open source community and Armbian project it became somewhat usable. On the other hand RPi was almost always losing when it comes to pure processing power. Even now RK3588 based products basically obliterate Pi5, but RPi strength is easy of use, great support and documentation. Big weakness is availability of top products.
Just found your channel and wow, what a fantastic job. Followed!🎉 (Delighted)
I'm going with the Radxa for sure.
It's a good option
Thanks for this content it definitely leaves me feeling delighted ,your findings are about right in my opinion but I will have to say cameras are kinda an extra I like you to build a remote control car project or something similar all with the different boards then see which one is controlled better , because these types of boards are best for automation ,robotics , or remote control practice it be cool to see which board does a better job at what they are intended for I think this would be fairest test honestly to decide which is best or at least seems more reliable
Delighted, but not planning on messing with any Zero any time soon.
Delighted to know if you evaluated the Radxa wi-fi capability? Asking because I got it when it first came out and their drivers for their own images were not working. I had to use Armbian to get its full functionality.
Thanks for watching. WiFi was working fine with Radxa's Debian image for me.
Thanks for the video!
If you think Radxa documentation is bad, then you haven't experienced Sipeed boards documentation😄
I recently worked with a Longan PI 3H and that's where the documentation is really terrible.
Yeah, documentation seems to be the Achilles heel of many SBC manufacturers
The 512MB of memory on the Pi02 is the biggest let down for me. RPi say they couldn't do any more but given that Radxa can put 8GB in the same-ish formfactor, I find that hard to believe.
Great video, well made and informative. I sort of wonder if there are SBCs designed for low power applications. Such as a camera trap that can use microcontroller with movement sensor to wake up processor to record video, take a photo and put itself into sleep. My RPi3B can run from 10000mAh powerbank for roughly one day, although I used IR camera constantly on, including LEDs so it lasted for 5 hours.
I assume there are different use cases and high end SBCs do not make much sense cause some refurbished ultra small factor PCs are cheaper, much more powerful and optimized for low idle power with only passive cooling and I feel like my Rpi3B could be slightly more powerful, but it's almost fine. It just cannot for example stream FullHD video and audio together, because it can so-so encode video and accessing sd card, network and usb sound card all via USB2 is too much.
Delighted.
Yeah, these are mostly for projects where size and power consumption are a limiting factor
This was a pretty good video, very informative!
Glad you liked it!
Delighted 👍🏾 I’m just here for the knowledge 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I've had issues with either the RPI app or the ISOs I tried to burn (Various Puppy Linux flavors), but I've had no issues so far with Unetbootin. I was using cards from Micro Center just to note as well, which many forums say is common.
Is it safe to assume Banana Pi M4 Zero is comparable to Orange Pi Zero 2W? It basically looks like a deliberate clone
Yeah, safe to assume it's the same. Same chip and, in turn, same features.
Delighted. Interesting comparison. I've subbed.
Cheers. Thanks for watching. More SBC comparisons coming
Bookworm is available in raspberry pi zero w and w2 in Others => Lite. Cool video thank you
available os should include third party stuff, but overall good comparison very fair
Delighted to see a video done right.
Cheers!
Thank you for your services. I Subscribed. Stay fresh.
Great video, completely delighted.
"two os'es is the bare minimum"
I wonder how many of us have actually ever used more than one though.
I meant as options. I don't expect people to run more than one OS.