The Biggest Problem With Modern Cars
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- Опубликовано: 8 дек 2016
- We take a quick look at our two biggest issues with modern cars and how it effects the average consumer as well as automotive enthusiasts. While some buyers may eat up the marketing, PR and spec sheets, as time passes the glitz fades into a costly pool of obsolete equipment and repairs.
Some of the content is satire, comedic however much of the discussion is about the serious state of modern technology in cars.
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In your 20's or 30's buy USED cars. Don't have kids until you can afford them. Everything is expensive these days- avoid debt as much as possible.
I'm 27 thanks for the knowledge
To be honest dude you right shit is to damn expensive now a days and people don't think a head I have an 04 Camry and imma do my best to keep that boi going for a couple years
The thing is.. that it is not “these days”. 🤷♂️ things always have been expensive. Like I can’t seem to explain to my parents.. but: when something costed 10 cents instead of 10 dollars.. you also have to remember that wages were that times smaller then 🤦♂️ you have to look at everything in complex.. not just a number.
@@maxroman2010, watch it again. If that doesn't help, ask any mechanic anywhere in the world
(maybe not at a dealership). My car is 15 years old and the original alternator died a couple of months ago. I would be on my third
multi-thousand-dollar repair, if I had an infotainment system. I'd be curious to hear what your favorite mechanic has to say.
James Enger why are you talking about a mechanic..? And why are you curious what he has to say..? 🤦♂️🤷♂️ I was talking only about prices of new cars. There is nothing at all in my message about quality. I know that it has become crap. But also, systems have become much complex and the money don’t cost as much too. 🤷♂️ if you want to talk to a mechanic... just go talk to one. And no one makes you buy a new car.. 🤦♂️ go ahead and just fix your 15-20 years old one 🤷♂️ and just keep driving it.
I work for a collision shop & I can tell you that in 2013 auto body repairs were projected to decline rapidly in the 5 years following the implementation of all of the anti crash systems in modern cars. The crash rate has stayed the same because of distracted drivers.
If you need driver assists you shouldn't be driving.
My 2004 Volvo has a label that says 'replace airbags (x8) every 10 years'
Who the hell is going to replace $15000 worth of airbags??
my audi says same thing.
John O well you could just not replace them, then im assuming you’d have the same airbag level safety as an older car but you already paid for the airbag system so you were safer for 10 years
Just wait for the next Airbag Recall...
My car doesn’t have any airbags 😎
Cremation is way cheaper than airbags wtf
I can see some car company breaking the standarts and making a popular car with small number of electronics.
Mazda cars are relatively simpler and reliable too (recently). No touch screen, physical controls. Separate controls for climate. Very minimal screens. No CVT. No more than 6 gears. No turbo if you dont want it. I like their design philosophy. Simple, clean, modern, reliable and driver focused.
@@HaseebShafaqat I was driving my Miata and my friend pressed the pause button on my music. I was about to chirp at him that it’s not a touch screen, but alas, the music stopped and I realized the infotainment system doubles as a touch screen. I prefer the buttons as they’re intuitive and fingers make for a greasy screen
@@158158cow the new infotainment in Mazda 3 and CX-30 is only buttons, no touch at all times. This would trickle down to more models as they get the upgrades. I think that a sharp screen with good controls is better than a touch screen with crappy resolution and slow processor.
4runner rides on that
My dream
How is it legal to put a touch screen that controls everything? Having to take your eyes off the road to look at the screen puts you and others in danger. Before the era of touch screens you use to blindly adjust things using your muscle memory. Everything had its own nobs and buttons. Now you have to dig though menus taking your attention off the road. You can't tell me this hasn't caused accidents.
yep
totally agree
also the audio controls are really bad too with so many menus and crap to navigate through rather than a simple bloody button !
Just don't be that driver that crashes due to slow reaction time.
Wait until you see the Tesla model 3. The only screen is in the middle of the console.
+Samuel Tovey voice control doesn't even work correctly.
RAY cause they fine us only for the mobile phones and that s worldwide basically it s ok to have a mobile phone stuck on your dash that s not only a phone it operates every god damn thing in the car looool
It's not technology that is the worst part, it's how proprietary everything is becoming.
Yah such as those plastic head lights.
Old car gets a broken head light no problem just buy a new bulb for $10
New car if the headlight gets broken or it gets crazed so you can't fix it by buffing out the yellowing it's $150.
Then there's the bright ideal of having AC controls inside the infotainment center which is just stupid.
It's $150 today but in 10 years that headlight is gong to be $500
In the old days buying a headlight was a decision between square or round.
Yes. I can put an infotainment center in a 78 chevelle for a few hundred dollars. the proprietary tech being tied into basic functions of the car though...
Dalton C I know man and not only Modern vehicles are overpriced but they look hideous and ugly and have no character whats so ever.
A simple radio and good speakers is all a car need
Same for me
facto
And a comfy seat
And a good heater!
The late 90s to the mid 2000s were the sweet spot in terms of cars as a whole. They have basic features such as navigation, power seats, etc., but they dont shove it down your throat like modern cars too.
Totally agree about the 'sweet spot' of car technology, as a whole. The fact most of the 90s/00s are still on the road is supportive evidence. ...And that they're the most stolen, ha~
I have an '09 and dread the day I have to get a new car.
My 2002 and 2003 Ford Taurus is an example. Best car for the money.
Yes, I don't have much of this to worry about...still driving my 28 year old car....Olds 88.:)
Thanks :)
You: I hate seeing people turning over cars every three years.
Car Manufacturer: You're right thats far too long, How can we make it two years?
Violent Kisses right tho
silverbird58 and it’ll probably last another 100 years
Bec they care about money. Pathetic pos
We need to get rid of these peiple
Don't laugh, I've heard of car companies discuss trying to make a two year lease mainstream.
too true...
So there is a point to be made. That cars built 50 years ago, like say a 66 Chevy Impala will still be running if there is gasoline for it, in the next 50 years. But a car built today, in 50 years will be a hopeless relic, loaded with hopelessly out of date electronics that cannot be fixed!
that's 100% true
+Mandrak789 especially when today's cars are worth shit by that time.
It's time to open a museum displaying old useless crap.
hopeless relic? Electricity is going no where for the rest of the time humanity has on this earth. I don't know if you know how to drill for gas yourself but I know how to create a power generator from home.
Kevin Voyer In a way yes the technology will look silly like an cassette tape player in a 80's car, but I would imagine the hardware would last a while. The bodies are lighter, but aluminum doesn't rust. As oppose to your 66 Impala. Did you know.... that chevrolet did NOT coat the interiors of their body parts during that time (quarter panel for example). They thought there was no reason because they designed the car to last for 15 years and be replaced by the newer models. I read that somewhere, and the quarter panel on my 72 nova does not have a lick of primer sealer on the interior trunk portion. However simplicity of design leads to little going wrong, and the large supply of small block chevys are what lead to very low prices. This is why I pay 25$ a water pump as appose to my buddies 2008 bmw (the dealer quoted like 400$) I understand the dealer charges markup and the labor. But you get the point. idk what i'm even saying at this point....
Can’t believe how much they charge for plastic in cars nowadays.
plastics don't breakdown for thousands of years so it lasts forever, like a diamond... you are paying for quality
@@fleetwoodbeechbum plastic + crash = 0
@@nagyzsolt5368 but the plastic does not change chemically and so retains its eternal characteristics. just don't have a crash that involves heat. heat breaks down diamonds as well--oh my, they are so much alike!
Oh the sarcasm is just screaming
plastic will save your life in a crash
Agree! They pack so much tech into modern cars that they become super expensive to buy new, then super expensive to maintain and repair!
As a mid 20's car enthusiast, I'd honestly rather own an older vehicle... You get to learn how to fix a car, and it's knowledge that stays with you. It makes you appreciate the car, and it is honestly less than buying even a vehicle that is 5 years old.
It's strange because the new vehicles have the younger consumers in mind, yet only the older generation can afford them that (typically) don't know how it works, and would rather have it simple anyways.
It pleases no one.
im only 14, and im into old cars more than new, new cars just seem too boring for me. also old cars (some new cars too) can be modified easier
zzzhuh Very much agree. Have an old volvo 144. Luckily, most parts are easy to find (just have to get them shipped) and they are very cheap, which is important. When looking at cars overall, the best "middle ground" had to be the 90's. Cars were getting safer, most with at least a drivers side airbag. The later 90's we saw obd2, but on cars that weren't overly complicated. My source is my 99 grand cherokee, In my opinion it has the simplicity of older cars with the necessary conveniences like ABS, fuel injection, obd2, etc.
I can agree with this I'm 20 and have friends my age with 2017 cars. personally I just filled out paperwork for a 2011 Camry because the repair cost for every vehicle on the lot was above anything I could afford.
I can't afford/don't wanna pay finance on a car, I have an older car with add-on features for up to date functionality. Phone holder for SATNAV, bluetooth -> FM converter for music, with 2 USB plugs in the cigarette lighter and a dash cam. Provides 90% of the most useful functionality on most cars. for
zzzhuh Totally agree, I have one car that 18 years old and another that’s a project car which is around the same and these are so much fun compared to modern cars, keep going pal
how many pairs of underwear does 300 dollars buy exactly?
If your George Clooney, exactly 1 pair.
More than you can afford, pal.
One pair dragon ball SUPREEEEEEEEME UNDERWEEEEEEEAAAAAAR
who buys new pairs of underwear?
Boris is here? Respect
Poor visibility. I hate the sloped cabin, with the tiny rear window.
Especially SUV's. Every idiot in my country think they are god on road with SUV's when they are driving slow or overtaking dangerously. I hate SUV's with those tiny windows also! One almost crashed me by doing dangerously overtaking, until day after i found him again. Decided to get into roundabout front of him. He was so mad at me when i teached him a lesson.
That's why I don't want a new car. I have a Clio with a brand new engine. The car will not run because of the stupid engine computer (ECU) The car has no rust... Why would Renault design a car that is designed to fail! I am having to buy a generic ECU to get the engine to run.
remember the good old times when you had a big knob for the heat, one for the window, and maybe one for the stereo... nothing broke
i dont see how having a touch screen in a car is in any way helping the driver, in the cars with only physical buttons, you rely on your muscle memory, which usually doesnt let you down. Now that i have started to drive, i have realised how important it is to keep your eyes on the road, on the signs and on the cars around you at all times, having a complex touchscreen while you drive at 90-100kmph is definetly too complex, knowing that you only need a small mistake to make a big crash.
Terror - - yeah, I agree & I'd like to add on that:
Driving any vehicle with NO NAV or touch screens of any sort - - even without muscle memory - - you could kinda' "let your fingers do the walking". While eyes are on the road, your sense of touch could feel around the dash & you could pretty much manipulate any of the devices in that fashion too.
In my 2016, the touch display requires you to look, sometimes more than once, because it's a multi-function button (i.e. - the Temp, Fan & Dual Climate controls, etc.). I.M.H.O., it's only seconds difference between that & the touch-screen on a cell phone.
So as I sit in 'Park', going through the motions of what I'd just described, it was slightly unnerving how long it requires my eyeballs to leave the road. Though I'm still getting used to my new (to me) car, the media screen controls all of that shit.
With that as a comparison, it makes one think: "Texting while driving anyone?".
Terror I can turn up my radio and change climate control settings without looking because I know where all the dials are in my 02 accord!
Designers should take cues from fighter aircraft with HOTAS controls and each button having a different feel so the guy driving knows what he is toggling without having to take his eyes off the road. My opel omega has these features and is a car that was designed way back in the 90's.
the problem with a touchscreen is, that you have to look at it to press a button, you have no feel like you have with a real button. taking your hand off the steering wheel isn't the problem, its looking at the screen and not at the road.
THIS ^^^
All of this
Real buttons are so much nicer to use and safer, you can control everythign by feel without taking your eyes off the road, you don't have that tactile feel with a boring flat slab to poke that shines a spotlight in the corner of your eye at night
This is something I actually considered when buying a car last year. I went 2nd hand and tried to get something that had a balance of newer useful features as well as simpler features. I ended up with an '18 Honda Fit Sport. No brake mitigation, blind spot monitoring, or radar cruise control. It's got a 1.5L DI engine and a CVT (which likely will be the weak points down the road), but the HVAC controls are manual dials and knobs. You can even hear the *thump* behind the dash switching between outside air and recirculate. The newer useful feature ended up being the 40+mpg and the Android Auto capable infotainment system. I can easily load up my spotify playlist and skip from the steering wheel, and it'll natively display Google Maps for gps directions when I need it. And that's all it does, just android auto/Carplay, audio, and some settings pages. It's about as basic as I've seen in modern cars while still being useful.
Good thing I'm obsessed with early 2000 cars that come with little to no technology and are cheap (relatively) to buy!
yep
2003 Tahoe. Bulletproof
I'm surprised the insurance industry doesnt put a stop to touch screen in cars. Its insanely dangerous
Why would they? Manufacturers mainly disable them once they get up to speed. TO do anything other than change the radio station or connect to your already SAVED phone you have to pull over and stop the car.
D N ..... And the new model 3 are you kidding me..... For every single action on the car you need to look down.... Which is dangerous enough considering how many people are on their phones
Texarmageddon - no they don't, I just rented a new Volvo SUV with a massive touch screen and you had to do everything with the screen for the most part, and it was all things you did while driving. Distracting!
Jay Kay 2016 mustang gt , 2015 Honda Accord and 2017 challenger all lock me out of most functions while driving ..
As I said, most brands are going to lock out... not saying Volvo is a bad brand, but it is a recovering brand which probably explains why it doesn’t have that feature
Volvo is probably one of the most safety conscious brands lol. The fact remains that while these cars might lock you out of *some* features, they don't lock you out of basic features like adjusting your radio and climate control, which require you to stare at a touch screen since they are touch screen activated. I have rented a lot of new cars made by various manufacturers that behave that way, another noteworthy car like that was a Cadillac I recently rented.
Modern cars in 15 words: Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Driver aids. Ding-dong. Sensors. Keys that aren't keys.
Ryosuke Takahashi Soooo true. My complaint in trying to buy a used car is all these morons who decide to lease THE FULLY LOADED MODEL with gadgets and gizmos that break in 5 years, when I just want a car... Not to mention a depreciated used fully loaded model still costs more than a base model that's new.
WOw. DO modern cars cause aids?
Ryosuke Takahashi I literally ripped apart my dashboard and cut out the buzzer. Now I have only sweet silence. I also leave my lights on more often now.
fake exhaust sound pumping through speakers is the biggest culprit
New cars...300hp, 0-60 in 5 sec, 30mpg, traction control, all wheel drive, safety, A/C that actually works, 50,000 mile warranties....yeah what a bunch of crap they are!
I hope there's a shift back to real controls sometime in the future when this "iPad in the dash" crap has run its course. If we weren't obsessed with redesigns every few years, the price of cars would come down from scale. But, it's partially driven by competition in the marketplace and partially by ever changing government requirements.
It would be nice but I don't see it happening. Most (as in almost every last person) people are incompetent and are happy to have their car drive itself. Unfortunately that's where we're heading.
I personally think BMW has the perfect implementation: physical controls for climate control, volume, radio station, and presets, and a screen for navigation and audio.
@@evanjones5257 The problem is that BMW is insanely expensive, though you could probably buy one used...
I'm not anti-technology but this all touch screen car radio stuff is just going too far.
Car manufacturers actually do a lot of lobbying and change government requirements themselves.
I drive a 2010-model car. Got it used in 2012 with relatively low mileage; a little over 12K at the time.
I hope to keep it for a very long time. It's just shy of 40k at the moment.
Keep my fingers crossed.
Cars are so freaking expensive these days.
Love your show, btw.
I completely agree, also if you "need" drivers aid maybe you shouldnt be driving. My car is from 1988, if i need to know if someone is beside me i turn my head, we were all taught to look when driving. Cant blaim your lane detection sensors when you crash its all you
Nathan Reimer I drive an 02 Accord, and I drove my friend's 16 civic the other night; with all the cameras and extra digital stuff, I was complaining about how small the windows and rear windshield was!
Nathan Reimer are you my long lost brother lol. I fell the exact same and it's only getting worse
It’s all tech now with the parking sensors and parking brakes-they actually do the parking(and thinking)for you-Just gotta get used to these new modern cars and all that tech in them
$40k on a car that will be worth $18k at the end of the 60 month note
That's when I swoop in on the quality japanese cars. super bargain. Still driving my Acura that I got like that.
Ketchup918 If that!
That has always been the case with vehicles. I well remember old men bitching in the sixties when I was growing up about depreciation.
I'm always astonished by the prices you guys in the US get. That's like 35.000 Euro and you don't get a lot for 35.000 Euro.
I've spent less than $10k keeping my classic on the road. I doubt you could take a modern car that has sat 16 years, daily it for a year and a half and have as few problems as I've had (ok so maybe it's been to the shop once a month but usually the issues are minor.)
I honestly think the biggest problem with modern cars. Is the current economy.
People are not getting paid enough anymore nor do they have the job security anymore.
Car companies are seeing decreasing sales across Europe and America, the only place it's growing is in the China/India market where peoples living standards have improved.
We are going backwards. Put into slavery by mountains of debt that we'll be lucky if we ever pay off in our lifetime.
You nailed it!
Income and wealth inequality is real. Look at the thousands of homeless, the college grads with $200k in debt, and lack of lucrative jobs after receiving a degree, home ownership rates at 50 year lows, 95% of wealth after '08 crash went to the top 1%, medical costs still soaring higher and higher, 2/3 of Americans with no secure retirement, the list is long and dire.
But the tax cuts keep coming to the top!
Eventually we'll learn. Let's hope.
This is true, but it is possible to buck the system. Simply refuse to participate in much of it, and life will open up for you. Buy with cash, buy used, save money, and educate yourself, then apply it in a technical field. Take whatever promotion you can get, then if upward mobility stops happening, or you decide you don't like your company, apply for a slew of other jobs. Constantly seek more money, and try to obtain raw land or property as fast as possible. Do not sleep with American women for the most part, avoid single moms or feminist types if you are looking for a partner. Stay away from people who are irresponsible with finances, use drugs regularly, or who cannot manage vices in their life. Life, purposely, and live wisely. Lastly, know that most media is a lie, and that history is often revised to fit contemporary views as time marches on. Life your life to win, and keep those in your circle who want the same.
Sad, but probably true
Government and union leaders more greedy for slice of the pie from corpraton why cars cost more to build today
Automotive corporaton lost billion of net profit in 20 yrs , you taking out of your ass Democrat
The biggest problem is that, 10+ years into the smartphone era, new cars still don't have built in phone holders. In fact, it seems like some of them go out of their way to make it difficult for you to use a dash-mounted phone cradle.
this is why i always say the 90's japanese cars will outlive this new modern era of vehicles.
Those and other vehicles from the US from the 50's, 60's, and 70's, when we still had mostly metal frames and mechanical controls
rust does :-(
better go back to the scrap yard and buy some clunkers
I had a 97 corolla for 13 years. That car was awesome! It was easy to fix (most repairs I did myself). It finally went to the junk yard when I was rear ended at 220,000 miles. I didn't buy another corolla because the new ones were ugly. I bought a 2011 VW Jetta. It is an expensive piece of shit! Don't buy a VW.
Until all the gas is gone and no matter our choices in cars or trucks or suvs we will have to switch to electric eventually.
I can't believe all the crybabies in the comments. I totally understood this video, especially the first part. I worked in a dealership for 1 year as a salesman, it was a great learning experience. Seeing people stretch out a loan for 84 months with a high interest rate and trading in a car they owe 5-10k more than it's worth knowing they'll need to keep this car forever basically but that won't be possible because they won't be able to afford to fix it when it breaks. Then someone else would come in a just write a check for a new car.
The touch screens that control everything are getting ridiculous. If they could make it so it added convenience I'd be ok with it but it's rarely the case, like to turn on heated seats in an older car it requires one press of a button, to do it with a touchscreen it's usually several. It's like these Coke machines that are touch screen, it takes 3-4 presses to get Coke when the old machine it took one, then you have the old lady trying to use it and it takes her 2 minutes to get Coke, imagine her behind the wheel driving 50mph fucking with a touchscreen to turn the heat down because she has a hot flash. No worries I guess since her car can also apply the brakes when she's about to hit something.
Hmm...I just wrote a check and bought a brand new car, but I do not consider myself rich. I guess if you buy reliable, modestly priced vehicles that you keep for a long time (my previous purchase took place in 2004) you can save enough money to afford that "luxury". Also, by today's standards, I I got a fairly inexpensive model (below $18K) that is not overloaded with technology. So, I hope maintenance costs will be reasonable.
I've solved my long term ownership issues by leasing. Last car I owned lasted 15 years but the repairs were getting ridiculous, not to mention the 15 year old outdated technology and safety. I sat down and did the math comparing 15 yrs of ownership cost with a new 3 yr lease agreement with zero down and the difference was $20/month more for a lease. I jumped. For me, it's leasing from now on.
billy mccabe
I always thought people were insane when it involve buying and leasing cars.
Since high school I've spent total around $45k on 4 cars and I'm 50. Always bought used and rarely any problems.
Currently have a 2012 Sonic LTZ. Paid $15k cash used,pay $1100/yr. insurance,and about $80/yr. tax.
The most I ever paid for a car.
From observing people at work through the years I have saved at least $200k on cars.
I've notice that in a person working lifetime the type of car and how many through the years greatly affect your retirement in later years if you can afford to retire at all.
I'm retiring early next year at 48.
TrollBuster
I didn't care for it at first but I think leasing could be a better option more down the road especially with electric cars.
I'm actually beginning to see elderly people ditch their cars and share or just use Uber and the like for going to grocery store,doctor/dentist appointment,etc..saving a ton of money.
Even I set aside a day or two a week in my condo community to offer ride to and from doctors appointments on occasion at no charge.
billy mccabe right, all this weird touch screen bullshit is getting out of control, I don't understand why they love shoving this useless crap down our throats SMH, it really makes me mad that I can't just push one button to do wat i need to do, insanity to go through a 4 or 5 step menu just to turn the volume down on the fucking radio
I am a victim of thinking that hard work equals a better life actually now I know smart thinking equals better life
Kel Raphiel put smart thinking and hard work together and you have alot of money in your future
Hard work definitely leads to a more prosperous life so long as that work is directed towards a clever goal. In other words, regardless of how hard you work as an Uber driver, you’ll never gain an immense amount of wealth. However, if you save money from being an Uber driver then invest that money into education, real estate, etc.... you’ll have much better results. I think it’s terrible that we encourage every teenager to earn a college degree when many simply aren’t interested and would perform better in a trade like carpentry, welding, or something of that nature. But unfortunately many kids are coerced into higher education as a result of pressure from their parents and peers, and find themselves graduating with untenable debt and often a less than ideal skillset. So that’s my spiel, work hard, work smart, and make decisions regardless of peer pressure.
@@mattandwill248 you hit the nail on the head. hard work. zero to little debt. and investment into only that which can either secure that money or gain money as a result.
Most democrats aren't smart, so they whinge people have more than them
@@coopsnz1 uve never traveled to the south have you?
That's why I drive a 4 door 1950 ford. If something breaks 9/10 I can fix it on the roadside with one set of standard wrenches.
Damn straight
damm right! just good old quality.
Stop buying more than you need.
Young Travels I bought a 2015 f350 Lariat Crew Cab Super Duty for my company because I could afford it, I could've financed a 2017 or 2018 truck, but I don't want to be in debt.
Easier said than done. One of the reasons I wont upgrade my Series 2 Toyota 4runner , is that its very reliable, and isnt full of unecessary gimmicks. All I need for my daily driving, is a decent radio/tape/Cd player and air-conditioning. I dont need a glass panel full of "stuff" that not even the car salesman even knows what makes them work. I dont need gimmicks that I can talk on the phone while I am driving. I dont need traction control , hill start assist which was invented by the Studebaker Motor Corporation back in the 1940s. My deceased father had three Studebakers and they all had what was known as the Hill Holder. If you dont know what a Hill Holder is, then read on. In the master cylinder , there is a ball bearing valve, that when you put your foot on the brake, on a steep hill, the hydraulic pressure forces the ball bearing into the hole , thus sealing the brake fluid from running back into the master cylinder. You could take your foot off the break pedal, and the vehicle would not move. Place the vehicle into 1st gear, apply the gas pedal and the ball bearing would release and the car would move forward . There was no sliding back a couple of inches. Simple and effective. But todays generation ,have never heard of Studebaker, let alone the Hill Holder which Studebaker had a 99 year patent on the design and the workings of the Hill Holder.
Find me a base model thats as bare bones as a ford falcon than get back to me
Steinwaygrande that's the best type of technology because it doesn't require sensors or a module to control. I use a different type of hill holder with my stick shift: hold the brakes while gradually engaging the clutch to where the engine doesn't stall. But then again, that requires skills & experience that's sorely lacking in today's generation of lazy children drivers.
dtoney1182 sure I'm biased since I am a "millenial" but I think most people just don't own manuals anymore; it's not the luxery it was to the boomers and its only a few hundred more to buy now. Most familys arn't motorheads so they buy their simple reliable toynda that needs the least amount of thought.
all technology is great.. until it fails, or breaks.. especially in cars.
LED HEADLIGHTS ARE SHIT!!!!! 500 DOLLARS????????
AUDI HAS THOSE DOTTED LIGHTS SHIT
BULLKRAP
You don't have to buy LEDs you know? And btw LEDs will last longer and are more efficient than headlamps, so you'll never have to replace them
jedi22300 I have a 96 Ford F150 with 5.0L Windsor V8 with 203,452 miles on it and it's still going strong. The only thing I replaced on my truck was the starter but other than that mostly was just simple maintenance and cleaned out the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making and it hasn't had a problem ever since. Call me a Redneck or a HillBilly but my truck will outlast anything you see on the road today and plus my truck looks better than anything you see on the road today as well.
jedi22300
The argument "You'll never have to replace LED headlights" is kind of a moot point seeing as you really don't have to change light bulbs all that often anyways. l've had my car for about ten years now and haven't had to replace a headlight bulb yet. Plus there's the fact that LEDs are too fucking bright, especially at night. They literally can, add, blind you. If it were up to me, l'd ban LEDs except on trains and emergency vehicles. They're simply too fucking bright.
I wish it was 2010 cars were better
This video only ages better and better as time goes on. Even "entry level" cars are getting more tedious tech on touchscreens with no physical buttons.
Touchscreens seem like the easy way to make a car do a lot. Just think of how much more a smartphone can do just because you can display so much more info with a screen than with buttons.
@@PeteS_1994 it is also cheaper for the manufacturer in terms of design. no need to think about what button does what anymore. the real question is why would i want all that crap. you dont drive somewhere where you dont know how to go that often do you? no need for all this crap.
@@PeteS_1994 A touchscreen can also be used along with physical buttons to control a car's features. Like you said a touchscreen can display lots of information, but when your only source to control the cars music volume or A/C controls is a touchscreen then all that information gets in the way and it can become a distraction. You compared touchscreens to smartphones and just like smartphones you can be distracted from driving by taking your attention off the road.
That’s why I got a Toyota 4 runner . Simple, bulletproof transmission, low tech
Toyota makes very reliable vehicles. If anyone deserves the "Ultimate Driving Machine" title after the 90s it should be Toyota not BMW.
@@fpsfug trueee but the bmw e30 with the 5 speed could go 300k miles easssssy
Chips Ahoy yeah, if you don’t drive the hell out of it and replace parts by the book
@@miepmaster25 lets be real here, not many people under the age of 30 are going to be owning e30's too
@@chipsahoy2158 A Prius can do that too and even better with less problems.
people are borrowing more and longer term loans. nation of debt. very good video. totally spot on
The biggest problem with modern cars is the touch-based electronic controls that are unintuitive and dangerous. People are forced to take their eyes off the road to flip through nested menus of all manner of nonsense in the controls. In my '02 I can feel what I'm doing. I can do almost anything I want with the controls without having to take my eyes off the road for an instant. This video was savagely enlightened. The electronic junk being packed into cars these days can get a lot better. Automakers would save so much money avoiding all the consumer electronic junk in the first place. Aftermarket companies that specialize in this sort of thing could make much better user interfaces on all the gadgetry. The technology is making people worse drivers, and thus the heralding of the self-driving car will be to save us all from all the idiot drivers. It's like the Terminator movie but in slower motion.
Not unless you pay to have the upgrade, where the information is projected on the screen! lol That will be an extra £3,000
This is one area where voice commands would excel over touch screens. Name your car and then tell it "set a/c to 72 degrees" instead of fiddling with a screen.
That's the a/c, then you have a hundred other things that voice control would help with in kind. So keep the full suite of electronic junk in place just pile even more on top of it? Our cars will know more English than our dogs, but they'll be even less affordable and less reliable than they are now as a consequence.
savagegeese said it best when they said that the problems from technology they create is an opportunity to exploit and solve those problems with even more technology. It seems to me that there should be a huge latent untapped potential of market demand for a retrograde old school super-reliable car like a 1995 Toyota. It'd be inexpensive up front, supremely affordable to maintain and most of all, the most reliable new car a person could ever buy. "The most Toyota of all Toyotas." I certainly have demand for that car, I'd definitely buy that car as my daily driver. That's pretty much the only new car I'd actually own anymore. Strip it down and let the customer choose whatever aftermarket stereos and infotainment gizmos they want, if they want it. In the end the most important reason to have a car in the first place is utilitarian, to get from point A to point B. Then I could much more easily afford to also own the fun car to drive around on weekends and holidays. A win-win proposition. When I think about it I'm surprised there aren't actually alternatives in the market like that. It'd be so cheap and easy for a Toyota or Honda or Ford to down-engineer a vehicle like this.
Your dog is just fabolous
Exactly why I gust bought a 2007 Miata. Hardly anything in the cabin. Just the essentials. Takes the clutter away and lets you enjoy driving.
Yep, Mazda seems to get it, for sure. Those guys are quietly the best car engineers out there, all things considered, and I say this as a Toyota owner. The Toyota is alright, and reliable as hell, of course, but god the infotainment is a piece of junk, and a distracting mess. At least my climate controls are physical knobs, but the rest of the stupid iPad in the dash nonsense is crap. I love what Mazda does. History will come out on their side. Too many people sleep on Mazda.
*Laughs in Dacia
*Misses first gear two times before driving off laughing
Dacia is a godsend. Cheap reliable (unless yours was built in India) car with good economy and quite fine comfort. The Duster is ridiculously good.
@@XenonLxx Yeah I agree, however I really cant forgive them the very short seats which make them really uncomfortable for taller persons like me, however new Sandero is coming out in a few months and it is a lot bigger than current one (similar size as golf 8) so we will see if seats are bigger and better (will cost around 9000eur base model which is by far cheapest for compact class car)
@@CrLe100 I guess you just got lucky :)) New Dacias have a greatly improved comfort level and the seats are taken directly from the Clio 5. Atm these are the only barebone and back to basics cars available on market.
What struck me when I was learning to work on cars over the summer, is how far those infotainment systems have gone. I cannot remember the car, either a BMW, Merc or Jaguar, but it had access to live broadcast TV on the tough screen, in sight of the driver.
There didn't seem to be anything stopping you from using it while driving 😐
I know nobody that buys new cars. Just buy them one or two years old. They cost less than half as much, and are still great cars.
If your car drops that much in 2 years, your buying the wrong cars, lol. My car is still worth half of the price 70k miles and 5 years later.
It's at a point also where your crazy not to put in the extra 5k to get a 100k bumper to bumper warranty. Anything breaks, $100 deductible on the entire repair, which you know, everything these days is $500 min, more like 2k+ or 5k+ if it's more serious.
lol 70k on a car
The name suggests he's a German. If you buy a car for say 40 grand here (that's not much, a Golf can cost that much) you basically lose the first 10 grand as soon as you drive it off the lot.
bloodknight667 I bought a 18 month old BMW 320d, which costed about 67k€ new, for 35k€. It only had 85 thousand km.
THANK YOU ... THANK YOU ... THANK YOU!!! for this great video.
I am in the market to replace my recently totaled 1998 Toyota Corolla and I'll be blunt: I can't stand the new 2014 to 2020 Corollas or pretty much many of the new similar-type cars today and the reason is simple. The manufacturers are designing into these new cars so many "added features" to compensate for designed in problems and creating newer consumer dangers.
I'd buy a new 1998 Toyota Corolla in a heartbeat because:
1. Reliability: The car had most of it's major parts in perfectly fine working and serviceable order after 21 years including the engine (though it burnt and leaked oil after 10 years), the transmission, the A/C and coolant system, the braking system, the exhaust system, all the electronics from the radio to the lights, etc. I drove it over 206,000 miles without a single major safety issue and likely could have driven it for up to 300,000 miles. It never left me stranded.
2. Visibility: I could see the entire car from the driver's seat simply by a look in the mirror or a slight or fuller turn of my head or body (if I had to back up) and I could see everything and everyone around me. There were nearly no blindspots, except for the typical right rear corner.
3. Simplicity: There were just enough simple and basic "bells and whistles, buttons and lights" to make the car easy to use without distracting noises, lights that would cause you to take your eyes off the road, and easily breakable electronics.
4. Fixability: The car had mostly easy to access mechanical items when needing to fix either a usual wearable external part or a more challenging internal part.
5. Cost of Use: I drove around 12,000 miles to 15,000 miles per year and the car usually cost me very little per year unless a major item needed to be serviced like the timing belt after 100,000 miles.
6. Gas Mileage: I could easily get over 300 highway miles on this car, 250 miles around town.
7. Paint and Body: The car had lots of chipped paint on the front of the hood from being hit from pebbles on the ground after 21 years, but there wasn't an ounce of rust on the visible body of the car, though of course there was some underneath. The carpeting and seat covers and seat cushions were all in perfect condition after 21 years.
The biggest problem I've noticed with these new cars, especially the 2014 to 2020 Corollas is that they are designed to be driven as if you're a fighter pilot in an aerial dog fight.
Manufacturers are designing in "blind spots" in cars like the thicker front "A-Columns" and "C-Columns" for the airbags and using smaller windows in the process as if window glass is at a premium. Because of the EPA's requirements to have maximum gas mileage, the car designers have dropped the hoods and raised the rears of cars to increase aerodynamic performance, which makes figuring out where the front of your car begins and the rear of your car ends a near impossible guess. Hence, why the added the back-up cameras so you could see what you're backing up into. (Now, granted, I know the story about the man who sadly and tragically backed up over his son, but think how that accident might have been better avoided has the rear of his car been lower.) You can't remove the rear headrests from the back seats in the newer Toyota Corollas, so now they immediately use up 15% or more of the visible space of the rear window. I could be wrong, but it seems like the side mirrors are smaller too. And last, but certainly not least, there are so many damn "bells and whistles and lights" going off from the lane assist detection to the "Infotainment System" (which is very hard to use while driving if only to change a radio station) that I believe they are designing in ever more ways to become distracted drivers. The 2019 Corolla allows for 36 pre-set FM and AM stations. Who the heck listens to more than a few FM or AM stations while driving, even if you drive long distances between cities and different radio stations? Oh, and one more thing that just occurred to me. The size of these cars keeps increasing though they keep managing to make the cars more fuel efficient. I used to drive a 1985 Camry that was about as big as my 1998 Corolla. The new 2020 Corollas are about as big as the earlier 2000's Camry's now. Seriously, do we need such bigger cars even if they are making them more fuel efficient?
Long story short, I miss my Dad's 1964 Dodge Dart and my 1998 Toyota Corolla. My Dad's Dart was incredibly easy to fix. And both cars were easy to drive, easy to see around in, got you from point A to B without much fanfare, and cost very little to maintain and drove drove for hundreds of thousands of miles.
the problem is not technology,
its poor build quality.
toyota shows precisely that you can have technology and reliability in one package.
yes, we could have cars that are like tanks, at the cost of important electronic safety features because theres been nothing but investment in build quality.
the blame goes to the greedy upper management that are turning cars in to throwaway products and want to keep the earnings for themselves.
pretty much any car company could easily ramp up the build quality and still swim in money.
I suspect that Toyota are subsidized by the Japanese government, but they certainly do make good cars. Can't go far wrong with most Toyotas.
Toyota still make the 70 series landcruiser that has remained largely unchanged since 1984! That is why it is banned in the USA as it is deemed 'unsafe'. Yet the USA allows touch screen teslas where drivers have no choice but to take their eyes off the road when driving.
because toyota's technology is always a decade behind everyone else.
@@cryptidhunter9901 The US government use those same land cruisers for the military. The pickup variations version. We can't have that. But we still get jeep wranglers, which are junk now.
issue is Toyotas are not really that great with technology. Germans are always better, but they also are always the worst in terms of reliability
I like the electric everything cars so if your battery is dead you cant get into your car when it's raining
PocketSand I know I used to work for a rental company. The cars have allot of gadgets
Cheap basic cars are simpler
Now they add capacitors to keep you from that hassle. Imagine how much the capacitor costs and adds to the price of the car.
PocketSand Teslas don't.
Especially the hybrid cars. Working in a chevy dealership since some volts coming in for service and half of them involve the cars main battery (the generator/hybrid battery) going bad and it took the master tech 5 hours to remove it and diagnose why it failed and charging it. That battery weighed nearly 200ibs and cost nearly 3,000 to replace. The first generation toyota prius was the worst since the battery would have a high rate of failing. All the technology in cars from touch screen to more electronic modules (computers running at once controlling a specific area engine, transmission, lights, differentials, ABS. etc.) are breaking down in less than a year, expensive to replace and takes a lot of time replacing and reprogramming to the point of taking more than a week spending in a shop getting repaired. Another reason older modeled cars and trucks have a big advantage because it's mostly mechanical parts than electronic parts. Easier to understand than modules running the car/truck and spending numerous hours why something went bad.
Why do people try to buy a new car then expect the price to be low? Why the hell cant you just get a used car like a normal person?
Nickolas Griffith i don't wanna buy an old car the previous owner has been fapping in it and now i should drive it?
then dont bich about new cars being too expensive
Nickolas Griffith normal ppl dont but used cars
Nickolas Griffith Exactly man!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a 96 Ford F150 with 5.0L Windsor V8 with 203,393 miles on it and it's still going strong.
CringeyfurrysRlit normies buy new cars because they are posers and too stupid.
Maybe a bit late, has anyone noticed it says "diarrhea tips" on the touch screen? (3:17)
yep..like a flashing neon sign.
Now it must be way to communism in cars
Yep. Somebody probably got their repair bill.
you are one hell of a robotic humanoid super computer...how could anyone see that?well done.you are one in a million.
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A bonus problem I've also noticed is many new cars are doing away with dip sticks, transmissions were first to go and now some manufacturers don't even let you check your own oil
Really inconvenient for those who DIY maintenance or can't afford to keep bringing their car in.
Electric cars don't have transmissions or engine oil.
This is just spot on. I'm a guy that likes technology and think all these "features " that makes cars more like a PlayStation is fun. But in the end most of it is useless. I think it's ok if your passengers can get a lot of things to play with. But the driver should drive the car.
I can agree with the tech such as navigation and sensors, but cameras are a bit much, unless they’ve completely left behind mirrors
My problem with new cars is that they are making people who don't care about driving worse drivers by giving them all these driver aids and is also why I hate the braking systems to avoid accidents because people abuse this by not paying attention and text and drive and they not care and really on the tech the cars have it is really care less
And imagine the time you spend behind a screen at work, at home and now behind the wheel. I always looked at driving as a way to get my mind off everything and become a part of this mechanical feeling of moving a vehicle and seeing the gauges and dials move. Now its like a video game, wonder where we're going with all this...
This video is six years old now, but more relevant than ever. You should do a followup.
Right!? I frikin loved how he spoke nothing but cold facts.
And now we have EVs costing 60k+ which I personally am not a fan of. I'm old school and I hate the current car market.
People who can't get their vehicle fixed... all I can say to it, that's what you get when you choose your vehicle based on the cup holders.
lol
Some cars are ridiculous to work on. Personally thats why i prefer older cars.
Cupholders can be deal breakers
This is why something like a Versa Note or a Sentra is not a crazy choice, no touchscreen, no turbo or DI, good fuel economy, good interior space and they are less than $20k. If only they had the choice of a manual in other than the base trim.
Benjamín Valenzuela I'm looking at a base Versa for a commuter. There are new ones around me for under 10k. Manual trans, manual windows, nothing fancy. I'm gonna beat the hell out of it and it's going to be fun.
I bought a new Versa as my divorce car. It's boring as fuck, but I absolutely made the right choice. Manual everything, except mirrors. Air conditioning and that's it. Paid it off in no time, insurance is cheap. Taxes are cheap. Tires are cheap. Sips gas. Repairs, what repairs? Eight years and going strong. *knocks on wood*
you can get a certified fiesta for 10k one year old 15k miles as long as you get the manual great buy.
Only thing is Fiestas have long term reliability problems. That is why a Yaris of the same year will cost you $5000 to $7000 more.
its all about what you want you can have a real fun car or an appliance but in all reality not much difference in price no one really wants small car here in the usa and thats a shame maybe that will change when people realize that 80 month financing is a bad idea
Im from central Europe and point 1 I agree 100%. I just dont get it where do people get so much money for those cars? They must lease them for sure. Even when I talk to poeple what car should I buy they always recommend something over 20k euros which is still a lot (average salary in my country is 1000€/month) and when I tell them I want to keep it atleast 10 years they look at me like Im crazy. Common way is to lease it, sell it after 4-5 years and lease another new car again. They surely must lose a lot of money this way. Then they turn 40/50 and realize they lost dozens of thousands of euros over past few decades on nothing basically. Combine it with moving to the suburbs where you need 2nd car for moving kids around and you have a financial disaster on your plate.
Point 2 I agree. The more stuff that can break down the worse it gets. Automatic lighting with xenons or full led? Somebody sneezes at you on a parking lot and bam, new lights for 1000€. Heated frontal window with rain sensor? One small rock smashes that and bam, another 1000€ bill. These costs do add up.
Atleast I can buy cheap Dacia for 10k euros.
Anyone can afford anything as long as they're approved for financing and can make those bi weekly or monthly payments. Dealers are to blame to. They keep pushing rhe financing out. Say to 8 or 10 years so the persons payment are actually doable for them. But then theyre still paying it off and its worth less then whst they owe in payments.
Thanks for this video. It puts into words something I've been convinced of for a while. The trajectory of car design seems to be going somewhere nobody really wants to be.
don't be greedy,
don't buy shit you cant afford,
don't sit on your couch all day,
and don't invest in cars.
So simple, I love it.
Too bad most of the population fails at either one or all of these points *cough especially #2 cough*
Although you have to specify #4, because sometimes with vintage, rare, or limited production cars, this can be a decent investment if you're planning on selling high later on down the road.
Made thousands of dollars investing in cars and reselling them actually.
1. Dont be an Idiot
2. Dont be an Idiot
3. Dont be an Idiot
Anyone who agrees with #4 also agrees that cars are limited in their abilities to taking you from point A to point B.
Christian Wertti not sure what the point of that comment is.
ICHAS3I I did ignore that you can resell them after fixing them, that is big business, but I took the standpoint of why buy anything in general that you might enjoy.
Cars? No way. Well then, most every beverage water aside, most every food (especially the expensive stuff), amusement parks...
Generally to a car enthusiast that sentence says "don't waste money in things you like".
The #2 covered this topic, do invest in cars but not to the extent of spending too much. (= don't be an idiot like you said)
And this is why I like 1990s cars.
Mysteries Mercenary exactly why I’m keeping my ‘03 Toyota hilux till the day i die
Early 00’s cars too
Real shit
Especially the late 90s early 2000s Japanese cars 😏👌
Still rocking my 98 prelude sh lol
I fix most of the issues myself but I'm not like most people I work in the industry of manufacturing vehicles so I already know you can't repair anything your just replacing the part that goes bad there is no fixing anymore because there are over 400 different module on any given vehicle and it's mostly guess work on why something isn't working. This is a big reason vehicles cost so much to buy new and yeah I still don't see how people can buy a pickup truck for 57 thousand dollars on a 50 thousand dollar a year income. We're heading over a cliff and it in view now.
The 21st Century is complicated and unfortunately many people would be more comfortable in 19th or 20th.
I'm not one of them. I was born in 1945, do the math. I embraced the changes. Fixed jet fighter electronics in the 60s and computer hardware and software ever since. Did a bit OS of coding, worked with lots of OS developers who did nothing else and did lots of troubleshooting along the way.
Here's my advice.
Take reliability advice from people who do nothing but fix stuff with a grain of salt. They see only broken stuff and very, very often that biases their view of the reliability of the product in question. Understandably they don't notice all the happy customers whose products work well because they don't come in for repairs..
Beware of Tech Media, it's the negative story that gets attention.
Beware of advice that cautions against installing fixes/updates on your software. Updates come from the people who know the software best, the chances are exceeding slim that the so-called online tech guru has any detailed knowledge of how the software works, how it failed or how it was fixed. I spent 25 years in the field troubleshooting and dealing with software issues and for every bad patch/update that caused a customer a problem, I had 20 problems caused by customers not installing the damn update.
Rant over.
RCW thank you for being reasonable. Change is hard for a lot of people because it actually requires learning new things, which some people just don’t like for some reason. I’m glad to see people who embrace change, cautiously.
Rant? More like an actual reasonable anecdote that is hard to come by on the green plains of the RUclips comment section. Thank you for your rationality.
@@platio101 I definitely don't embrace CHANGE, I only embrace IMPROVEMENT.
I love my paddles, digital HUD, some assistants like ESP, improved connection media gadgets etc pp.
But I hate touch screens when it comes to handling while driving. It's a change, but for the worse. Why should I embrace crap?
GrosserMagus GrosserMagus I think we agree. I ended my comment with “embrace change, cautiously” to mean basically what you say in embracing improvement, not crap. Embracing change for change’s sake is dumb, but being cautious helps to discern good change from bad. Furthermore, touch screens are a basis of preference. I have a touch screen in my car and I have no problems with it as a new tech and I know other people that would agree. Does that make you wrong? No, just a person with a different preference for change that, as I expressed, you embrace, cautiously.
Almost the same number of years of experience in computers with a broader range of knowledge, 2+ years experience with car mechanics with massive almost exclusive hands-on experience, 5+ years in engineering, 20+ years in medical sciences mostly neurosciences
And I call bs, Planned obsolescence, a throwaway culture, lack of caring and regulations and rampant consumerism in tech fields now spilling over into cars is causing new tech while capable of lasting practically forever and process insane amounts of information in seconds over crazy distances and truly put humans in a new age of information, access and progress is, in reality, causing useless, overpriced pieces of junk to spit out every couple of months were if it is even usable its slow, buggy, full of ads, privacy, and safety nightmare, lasts a few months till it breaks and costs less to trash and buy a new one and while this is a generic oversimplification and some issues are better or worse dependent on application it effects all levels of society from medical care, social interactions and things like jobs, access to information to direct tech products such as cell phones, tvs and computers and the last couple of years its spilled over into cars
I could go on but my point is hatred for "more" or "new" tech CAN be caused by an unwillingness or inability to learn new things and has been an issue in the past but today it mostly comes from tech people themselves as they know and understand how it works and know the potential unrealized by the tech itself and the humans using it which is also why there is a perceived bais in technology reporting as well as a reluctance to upgrade regardless of if its hardware or software
I could go on for hours but Ill leave you with this
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/my-life-aspergers/200911/is-technology-making-us-dumber
www.businessinsider.com/waldorf-silicon-valley-school-shuns-technology-2017-3
www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology
plato.stanford.edu/entries/it-privacy/
Thought Id directly address this line as a bonus "The 21st Century is complicated and unfortunately many people would be more comfortable in 19th or 20th."
Tech is getting simpler to use and harder to fix, example, setting up a computer in the early 90s to use the internet required massive amounts of technical skill, setting up a iphone to use the internet requires zero technical skill and a very small about of cognitive ability hence why even toddlers can do it however with an early 90s PC you had direct control of every aspect of the computer, an iphone you have zero control direct or indirect over it, while these are to extremes and I do not advocate going back to 90s tech which had its own issues it illustrates the point I made above and showcases why the XP era was the golden age of computers
most "car guys" I know would rather have an older car with less bullshit on it, and most people who advocate for the new stuff use the same old "If you dont like it its because you are poor" argument. Its like ok I can not afford other stuff but drive a new car where simple fixes are gonna cost $500 or I can dirve a kia from 2004 where most fixes cost $30.
+TheAxio300 yeah that about sums it up
The best cars in the world are ones you can buy from $500-3000.
I can drive a car for five years and except for gasoline and motor oil only spend a total of $2000. I can haul stuff and people, I get reasonable fuel mileage, I don't have surprise breakdowns, I don't have "spinouts" in rain or snow, etc etc etc.
KC9UDX Imagine 5-10 years down the road when today's shitty modern cars are within said price bracket... suddenly its not the best price range :(
TheAxio300 I agree, although safety is top notch in newer cars.
This was me yesterday. I was looking at a 2015 acura mdx. Loved it. There was a 2009 mdx for sale as well and It didn't have the touch screen no Bluetooth backupcamera. Just CD and climate control. I loved the simple layout so much I made them rework all the paperwork we started already. And I got the 09 instead.
We're reaching that point where a Toyota and Honda are really only affordable for families that own homes. Oh yeah, the average cost to own a house in Toronto is now...~$800,000?
The automobile prior to 1908 before Ford came out with the Model T was something only the rich can really afford. Seems like we're heading to square one again. So when is another company (or perhaps Ford themselves) realize that Henry's idea of simplistic design, 4 wheels, decent power and prices
Trades46 when people actually buy cars like that. Which isn't happening right now. Americans tie their personal image and identity to stupid shit like cars. Not all Americans, but enough to screw things up.
Well the Focus and Fiesta and pretty damn affordable. Also holy shit, where I live a decent 2 story house is like 250k-300k
Buy Dacia! Affordable, basic, does everything you expect from a car to do, under 15k.
Come to Europe. We have good, cheap cars.
$800,000, no shit, for an average house, not a mansion--right?
I've never been a fan of tech for the sake of tech. They wanna stick a computer chip into everything Pisses me off, the biggest one to grind my gears is this idea that the steering wheel is no longer mechanically connected to the wheels, so now a computer which can and does break controls the steering lovely
Man you are a good human , you are exposing the truth and showing the mirror to both society and the industry. Thanks and God bless you.
The greatest evil is the simulated analog digital dash
Yes, skeumorph's are lazy and disgusting. Apple likes it.
Apple has gotten rid of them over the last decade.
I don’t like them
Am actually disgusted by those they also seem so cheap
notamotovlog Lolololololollllalalalaa!
One problem is parents think because they have 2 kids and they need an SUV.
The following cars can fit 2 kids, mum and dad fine, they are cheap to run, cheap to buy.
Honda Jazz/Honda Fit
Toyota Yaris/Toyota Vitz
Nissan Micra/Nissan March
Mazda 2/Mazda Demio
If you need more room
Honda Civic
Toyota Corolla
Nissan Pulsar
Mazda 3
Subaru Impreza
Suzuki Swift
So you can see one does not need a SUV to take kids to school and get the shopping done.
Most of the cars listed would be less than 20,000 for base model
IIGrayfoxII you don't need running shoes to run, but they sure make your morning run way more comfortable.
Well if a city car is too small, get a small car or a medium one.
Mazda 3, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry
IIGrayfoxII those little things wont be able to tow my trailer or my boat.
Then you have a valid reason for a SUV since you need it for a set task.
But most owners of SUVs stay in the city and dont do anything like towing.
SrRAFAGAS the turbocharged versions will, eg wrx.
I love my tech as much as and probably more so than the next guy and I totally agree with you about the screens. It's just nuts how you have to take your eyes off the road to find the right icon or menu. As you say, it's no different than using a cell phone. I'm surprised there isn't more being made about this because it's obviously an issue and is only getting worse. I guess, as you say, it's all by design.
What a brilliant video! A very true perspective I haven't thought of before!
I agree with everything is being said in this video. I really prefer old cars with mecanical and analog sistems. in old cars there is nothing to go wrong with, somethings you can fix it yourself with a screw driver and a wrench. the rest is quite cheeep, simple and easy to fix. In nowadays modern cars, you have to pay attention not only to the mechanical sistems, but also with the electronic, and software of the car. most of the things you can´t fix it yourself you need special tools and can only be fixed in official brand shopps, with is also more expensive, also nowaday cars the brands build them with "programed obsolecence" meaning somethings are so expensive, that you actualy consider buying another car, insted of fixing it, and that is made on purpose, so you go on buying new cars, its consumerism. I actulaly hate how cars are being build today.
I can agree there. I'm 17, and I was given my first car, with the condition that I fix it myself (needs most of the cooling system replaced) and it seems rather simple, as my car seems to be from the end of an era (a 2006 chevy trailblazer) everything is belt driven, still uses normal hydraulic power steering, heck, even still has a transmission fluid dipstick. the most advanced pieces of tech on it are probably just the electronic transfer case controls (which have proven to be very reliable) and the onstar system. other than that though, it's just a simple SUV
the biggest problem with modern cars...more plastic parts and more complicated electronics!
happy543210 For sure, plastic intakes, plastic radiator , all of these stuff gets worn out by the heat and eventually needs to be replaced. Sure it cheap at first, but in the long run its going to cost more. Like he said, cars are turning into phones, buying a new one every 2-4 years.
I kind of agree. The best thing about plastics is less weight and virtually no rust.
The less wieght is the main reason they do it. Gotta squeeze out every mpg to meet CAFE standards.
Don't confuse rust with corrosion. Plastic corrodes. It also degrades over time.
Crow T. Robot I don't know Mr. Robot, I have an old 2006 Mazda that I have never washed and the plastic is holding up just fine. I think the painted and primed plastic will last a very long time.
Great video and many thanks savagegeese. BTW, for the Honda Civic 2006 total repair, I calculate 967$, and not 1364$, which means that your 2016 Honda Civic is twice more expensive to repair.
just got a new suzuki jimny. i like that the touchscreen has AA/carplay but is completely independent from the car's systems (you don't set any car setting through the touchscreen). it even has independent clock which doug demuro mentioned as a quirk is actually a feature! 4wd selector is old school stick. even the AC airflow selectors are mechanical, no motors and servos. so glad these cars still exist in 2023
My biggest gripe with modern cars is that I have to depend more and more on others to have it serviced/repaired.
I feel like I have to go to work in order to pay for the car so that I can then give work to the people repairing it!
I don't buy into their marketing stuff, there's no liberty in owning a car, only financial responsibilities.
I'm 63 and I agree that new cars are one big pain in the ass. Too much to buy. Too much to maintain. Money, money, money. And you will never get your money back. All the toys they add will sooner or later fail. I've seen sensors cost $300 or more.
Richard Mann you're hot
Yup, the new F-150 thanks to that gay trailer back up assist system your taillights now cost about $700 to replace if needed. ITS A TRUCK!
Oh yeah. The more complex they make these things, the more it will cost to fix. I would love to get my hands on a good 73 VW Super beetle. Simple to drive. Simple to fix. I really miss those days.
Why don't they mandate that prices be reasonable, or parts be standard? I saw an air compressor regulator PCB fail - $480 to replace. It's a PCB, only a couple layers with a few VRMs on it. Not even complex like a desktop computer PCB. They can probably make it in China for $3-5! I know a PCB company that would create *one* for me if I needed it, if I had the exact specs/design, plus mail it to me for perhaps $30-40.
"Oh, but they won't be able to profit with prices like that."
Well, perhaps they'd have to consolidate then! Microsoft (Windows), Apple (OSX - Unix), Google (Android - Linux) - most of the devices in the world run 3 operating systems. There are hundreds more, but 99.5% of consumer devices fall into 3 main buckets. If you check carcomplaints.com, you will find no less than 70 or so makes, hundreds of different models, and some years several thousand configuration variations. Talk about fragmentation! That must be a nightmare to support! If law makers mandated some pricing sanity and reasonableness, they might have to cut away some fat and produce (for example) 5 base models under their main brands (Sedan/Coupe, Hatchback, Truck, SUV/Van) that include everything you need. Cutting down on the fragmentation would probably cut costs about 60%. (Just a guess.) But then they couldn't appeal to people's vanity with the SLX Twin Turbo whatevermobile.
Richard Mann I have a 96 Ford F150 with 5.0L Windsor V8 with 203,393 miles on it and it's still going strong. I bought the truck back in Wentzville MO back in October of 2015 for $3300 with my own money by working two summer jobs, taking care of my neighbor's dog, also having birthday money, Christmas money, and graduation money so that way I won't have to be in huge dept unlike you would with a new car or truck.
Bought a brand new, top of the range Volvo in 2018. Got rid of it a year later primarily BECAUSE of the tech and cool features that were the reason I wanted it in the first place - and you demonstrated it exactly in this video. the touch screen that didn't respond, the voice control that didn't recognise or respond to my - pretty clear english - voice, the fact I couldn't adjust the heating without using the touch screen and having to take my eyes off the road, the awful sat nav, the intrusive safety systems that almost drove me off the road on occasion, and that failed when you needed them most, the panoramic sunroof that completely missed you as a driver and gave no benefit, the heating / cooling / aircon system that couldn't clear a windscreen and keep you warm at the same time, the laggy auto box, etc etc etc.
I've now bought a 2011 Land Rover Defender. If you know about those, you know they're basic. They have gears, brakes, wipers, a tinny audio system. It has buttons, proper switches and an ancient heating system that's either hot or cold - no air con. Mines at least has a heated screen and heated seats, but that's it. and I LOVE it.
Greetings and great video,I thought that I was alone in my thinking about this topic. People don't realize that features will fail over time and will be very expensive to fix...keep it simple guys
The biggest problem, of course, is the wipers coming on as soon as you use the sprinklers. Impossible to soak the bugs.
Lone Trans lmao I used to always just tap my little spray thing a few times for it to spray the windshield and not wipe until a good 2-3 sprays
Up until my current vehicle, the most luxury any of my cars had was leather interior and a sunroof. My current vehicle was a five-year cancer-free gift to myself and I decided for once in my life, to get one that is loaded. All the stuff is fine and dandy. Most everything works great. Honestly, the backup camera is the best thing since sliced bread, particularly when you're parked between two rolling cargo ships trying to back out. But as a car guy, I am well aware of what I got myself into. If something is going to cost a grand to replace that I can't replace myself, I have no room to bitch about it. That said....
As someone who spent 35 years working on cars, over 25 of those professionally, nobody ever wants to spend money on their car. Nobody wants to pay to maintain their car, but they don't want it to break down. Yet they bitch when it does after not maintaining it. On that topic, where do you think all these extended service intervals and lifetime fluids came from? They want you convinced that owning that vehicle is not going to cost you much over its lifetime. You only have to change the oil once a year or whenever Halley's Comet comes around! Transmission? Sealed! You never have to worry about that life time fluid ! Cooling system? Flush it never !! Then before the vehicle even reaches 100,000 miles, you have a slipping transmission and a sludged up engine.
All this technology is due to customer demand as well, yet nobody wants to pay for it. Everybody wants Bluetooth and Android auto and apple carplay and missile launchers.... But when they break, you're going to bitch about how much they cost to repair. Yet these are the same people who will sleep in line days in advance to buy a $1,000 phone.
If you have a car payment of $600 or more whether it's a lease or a purchase, and you're not making a hundred grand a year, you need to check your ego. Maybe spend a little more time saving money so you have a bigger down payment rather than a $600+ monthly payment? Maybe drive something that doesn't cost so much or is not loaded?
Be methodical. Take your time. Research the vehicle. Look at your financial situation honestly and not egotistically.
ronny Brown well said. Most intellectual comment I seen in a while. Alot of people just want to follow their favorite idol and live above their means just to please other people. They want to flex in their new beamers but complain when they pay 80 for a oil change smh.
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Thanks.
Yeah I know people are going to bitch about every time they go to the dealer or to a mechanic they get ripped off. Yes unfortunately, that does happen. Find a business that does not happen with. Contractors going to rip you off? Probably. Plumbers and electricians? Probably doctor going to misdiagnose you? Possibly.
The saying goes that your home is the largest purchase in your life and your vehicle is the second. But in my experience, people rely on that second investment a hell of a lot more. Everyone just wants to get in their car at 8 a.m. and have it start without issues. Then they want it to start at 5 p.m. when they leave work and get home with no issues. When something breaks, or when somebody blasts a pothole at 70 miles an hour and claims it's a defective tire LOL. Nobody wants to spend a dime on it. Like I said, a lot of these very people are the same people who will sleep on line to buy a $1,000 phone, but will bitch about spending $200 to fix their car.
@ronny Brown very well said
ronny Brown well said, most don't have down payments. So many people just keep rolling vehicle into anothet vehicle payment. Most Canadians are 200 dollars away from not paying their bills. It's bad times.
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I know people who've done that. Negative equity upon negative equity. Now paying $700+ a month to lease a stripped C Class...
Awesome presentation, thank you for taking the time 👍
6 years later, this video is 110% still valid
I still love my old Merc, belonged to my father and still works well today.
Same here, That's why I still own 3 of the older MB with one of them has over 300k miles and still running strong.
Had a 190E as my first car. Loved her to death
It still runs because it's an old merc ;) they built them to last long, not like other manufacturers do now: make a car that totally breaks after 10 years, so you could buy another.. That's scamming in a way, but no one will change that
This video is a good explanation on a big reason I refuse to "upgrade" from my 1999 C55 AMG with 310k miles. It's been paid for since the early 00's, is incredibly reliable, modern enough to be comfortable and suit all needs, but none of the distracting horse shit that plagues new cars.
I totally get you. I have a 1999 CLK and a 2003 E46. Both are cool without any infotaintment systems. Besides, I hate to be distracted with anything while driving, so those modern screens do nothing for me but pain.
The Biggest Problem With Modern Cars is --- they are mostly plastic and electronics and they look like angry insects. Little road feel and are boring to drive. Difficult (even impossible) for the average Joe to repair too.
Try thinking For a change] That's it in a nutshell
Try Thinking For a change
They do look like angry insects.
😂!
I actually like how they look. Although most cars nowadays have a very similar design language so i can imagine it getting really boring soon.
You sound like scotty, but i agree 100%
People ask questions like, "what car do you drive?" Some will answer oh I drive a Honda.....I just say I drive an expensive piece of plastic
🤣🤣😂😂😂 so true
Lease the car for three years. You get lower payments , the car is covered under the warranty , and you get to return the car before all the expensive repairs are needed.
its just like microwave ovens why have all those buttons when you can just have single timer knob.
I complain about that all the time. I buy the cheapest microwaves which just have a dial.
MrBlaze256 yes and the motherboard decides to fail on it effectively bricking it (cost exceeds the value of the microwave itself)
Speaker Sex my dryer is the most annoying thing in the world with is tune.
Not a great analogy. Older microwaves including the ones with digital controls are generally extremely reliable and long lasting. And if they fail it's invariably the actual microwave or transformer.
@@DiscoFang if you wanna have a good oven there is one called steba has 3 knobs one for heat one for timer and one for options no bullsido
I think the worst part is all the plastic they have for the radio and dashboard.
plastic is government mandated, god forbid you hit your head on a "metal" dashboard...
I understand that, however, many car manufacturers don't get quality plastic. Many recalls are made because they melt when cars are parked under direct sunlight.
Polycarbonate is a high quality impact proof plastic but it produces tons of black smoke and dissolves with solvents. Bakelite is extremely heat resistant and doesnt melt but is brittle. Glass fiber reinforced nylon is the best but it destroys the steel molds and is expensive.
Honestly I have no idea why or how they decide on plastic for a car but its for some target characteristic.
Not as bad as having plastic _IN_ the engine!! My '90 ford taurus blew up the transmission twice in 50K miles after plastic gears disintegrated, they fixed that problem with metal gears in 94. My mom's '07 Chevy destroyed itself when plastic rollers on the timing belt failed, it needed a new engine. The mechanic that replaced the timing belt did not replace the rollers which came in the kit and they had to pay for it but still, plastic parts in the engine! Highly critical parts too, if that 25cent part fails it turns the whole car into a paperweight.
All of that plastic is going to crack and deform in 30 years after abuse.
You are my new hero!!! I thought i was alone!!🙏🏽
Another good video dude. Number one is very much a function of number two. When the manufacturers turned cars from driving machines into tech platforms, they lost me. Especially when they track my location constantly.
I bet some day modern cars won't let you open the hood.. just like they took the covers off cell phones so people can't replace the battery and throw them away instead.
wow thats just sad that they do such dirty methods
What's much more sad
is that ppl would actually buy a car like that in the first place!
Think about that
in many modern supercars you cant open the engine bay unless you go to the dealer
yeah but these are High Performance cars. Mess something up and you are fucked but what could go wrong in a Camry?
polaris911 I beg to differ. As an Android user we can change our battery
YES. i have allways liked the Feedback you get from Physical buttons on your senter console you dont even have to look down there if you change your Heater settings or when you want to adjust Stereo volume ETC. but in modern cars it is all touch screens so you have to look there to actually see what you are changing.
I raised this question with Teslas where almost every major interior function is through the touch screen. What's owning a Tesla look like in 10 years. Had a lot of Tesla owners jump on me online saying that updates will resolve any issues, but you can update all you want but things still slow down and get sluggish. No ones on a Gen 1 iPhone saying "All I have to do is update it and it works GREAT"
Love this video. Now. Please do one on the 2020 moral equivalent of a Model T or classic Volkswagen. What would it cost to build? And then talk about which manufacturers come closest to providing cheap reliable transportation.
Feature creep. The reason they add features is to survive the competition in the marketplace. Buyers compare products on the basis of features. Everyone says they wish they could buy a basic cell phone / computer / car but when the time comes to decide, they're offered two products at the same price and one has more (impressive) features, and that's the one they pick. Sure, a few people buck the trend and foresee problems like in this video, but by and large products that don't get on the Feature Creep bandwagon lose market share and fail. We are participants in this problem.
That's me, I'm the trend bucker. I still have a stupid phone and will never get a smart phone unless I absolutely don't have a choice. Up until 2 weeks ago I was driving a 2000 ford ranger I owned from new. But it finally outlived its usefulness, it was costing me a car payment in repairs. So finally I needed a new car. I got a great deal on a 16 Toyota corolla with 21K on the odometer for $12,000. It does have a lot of these features but the heater is separate from the big screen. And I'm not using anything else on the big screen, so if it blows I'll keep driving without it. I never replaced the dash lights in the ranger when they all blew out. So If all the real mechanics keep to Toyota standards I should be all set for a long time.
Morgan Ahoff well said
Many people buy smartphones just depend on looks
as a mechanic for 30 plus years (gm tech) i've made a boat load money fixing stupid things that engineers have designed into modern cars . if you want to drive space shuttle cars. you're going to pay high repair bills .mechanics have the best job today ..the guy that posted this video is hundred percent correct.....
+rogue warr
And women want to go into STEM for money? WE NEED MORE WOMEN IN STEM!! And yet the reality is, not only is there not enough openings to accommodate this kind of stupid rhetoric the left pushes, but you can make more money in a trade, or being a mechanic. Just have to be willing to do hard work. But that's why a lot of women chase after men who already have money, because it's less work. Path of least resistance. Except men are going MGTOW because of divorce rape and crap.
sorry but you got me . what the hell does STEM AND MGTOW mean .and i work on high end electronics car . sorry i'm not hip on phone lingo
MGTOW is Man Going Thier own Way, essentially means as a man you should NOT marry or have a kids with women because you will lose out big time
That's very true! I'm a young mechanic for 5 years so far and I've already made some great money fixing all theses overly complicated cars. New cars aren't made to last. The engines and transmission are great but the electronics will kill the car prematurely.
I'm also an auto tech, and totally agree. All I drive is old chevy trucks, pre cat-converter era, and it's saved me tens of thousands of dollars over the years.
If you can't handle an old vehicle, the next best deal is to trade up every few years so you car is always covered under its factory warranty.
I am using youtube since 2004 and this was the single best video I ever watched on it. Said all my thoughts for years.
great topic for discussion, thanks for sharing your thoughts
New Cars: Massive Repair bills, lots of electronic problems, lots of complicated features, keeps you safe.
Old cars: Low repair bills, little electronic problems, simple features, you make it safe
Kiraro The Kitsune
New cars don't keep you safe. I had to end a friendship because the dude drove his Prius like a Dodge Charger, and couldn't stay in his lane without tripping a different safety system every other second. He totalled his two previous Priuses. I wasn't going to be a passenger in the third.
Carl D That's the driver's fault, if you treat the car like what its not you're gonna die. The Prius is a safe, efficient slow cruiser/daily driver not a hot rod.
Actually old cars always have issues and have to be fixed all the time.
Old cars: so long that you don't buy a French car or a Fiat you'll be fine.
Zen Razor Depends on the brand
What we need is a manufacturer who keeps it SIMPLE and SERVICEABLE without resorting to low-quality materials.
With simplicity you can engineer modularity.
Maybe a new manufacturer could even enter the marketplace "travelling light" - without the need for a dealer network with a dedicated servicing department, for instance.
Deliberately engineer the car to be easy for your local mechanic to work on and offer step-by-step instructions on video to assist mechanics or home users to properly maintain and repair their vehicles. Give people the confidence to grow their understanding of their automobile.
A big problem is that manufacturers have a perverse incentive to make even simple repairs time consuming and tricky, sometimes impossible, without proprietary equipment. Mechanics are being frozen out - and that's exactly how the big manufacturers want it. They want a 10 year old car on the scrapheap so you're back in the dealership buying new.
If someone were to build a truly modular architecture, standardising to the greatest possible extent the precise screw sizes so you can mix and match, that would be very interesting.
We need a return to the automobile as a means of getting from A to B reliably and cheaply, and stop packing our cars with pricey gizmos that will be outdated within 5 years and obscuring every mechanical part with plastic covers.
At one point, we did have that... and I own 2 of em: Saturns. Nothing pretty, fairly simple vehicles with minimal gizmos and easy to work on. Not to mention, if taken cared of, rival Toyotas in reliability (only the S-series, the later Ions and Astras were when GM took more control and had the early stages of these issues).
Very true I'm on finance paying monthly for a Vauxhall Corsa E design, which has a touchscreen which I never really use it at all.
All I use is the radio and Bluetooth for when I want to listen to my own music and that's it.
I'd rather have a reliable, easy to fix, fun to drive car than a slow, boring car full of gizmos that I don't use.
When BMW came out with IDrive a reviewer for a magazine christened it IDie because of menus causing distraction. When I bought an older Rolls Royce Silver Spirit with upgraded suspension, I loved it’s simplicity. I wasn’t the only one, young people liked it too. The fact that it cornered better than my 740i BMW was a bonus. The main board was faulty on that car and the garage couldn’t find the fault. I found the fault. Oh and a spring broke ....this was an almost new car. The sump bolts came loose and slowly drained away. Warning message came on and then disappeared amongst a plethora of other messages. If that happened on the Rolls, a warning light comes on and stays on because it has an annunciator panel.