That headstrap is a masterpiece. Like you said oculus really should have thought of that design. It would make a really great elite strap due to it being really hard to break on the sides.
The only extra I'd like is a strap bit that goes closer to the front of the headset on top to help tilt the headset upwards, or prevent it tilting down over time, a issue I had with the quest2.
The great thing about VR companies adopting the B2B model is they have more of a runway for experimentation. I would assume for consumer hardware there is a ton of cost-cutting needed..
As somebody from China, Neo3's tracking quality might be acceptable in light applications, but for heavier loads such as Beat Saber it lags behind the quest2 significantly. The company also bought a lot of positive reviews from VR influencers in China trying to cover that up, so not the best look. Honestly, the Pico Neo3 is a nice headset, but it really is no competition with the Quest 2. In much of the Chinese circles a pre-registered quest2 is quiet a lot more popular and recommended
臧其超 Zang Qi Chao CHINA'S CHEATING STRATEGY According to 臧其超 Zang Qi Chao 中国咨询式股权投融资专家 A Chinese financial expert says Beijing copied its way to the world's front row. And now, it uses that leverage to get away with aggression toward the West. (It means China stole all the intellectual properties of the West) 臧其超说，中国政府复制了通往世界前排的道路。 现在，它利用这种杠杆作用摆脱对西方的侵略。 . CCP ~ Cut , Copy , Paste RRR ~ Rob Replicate Replace .
In my opinion they should use fans on all vr headsets, there are tiny fans that make almost 0 noise, draw just a little current and give off huge benefits. As you said no fogging, slight breeze/cooling on your face, etc. That should be a must have, maybe make a switch to turn it off in case people don't want it on would be the cherry on top
Wouldn't really be a good decision anyways - Which devil would you like to sell your data to? Facebook or the CCP? Personally I'd prefer the one which isn't a government known for making people go "missing" and presentday racial/religious cleansing.
The key components being the same or similar does not grant total similarity in inner designs. Especially considering how encryption is mostly software based.
No I doubt it. The apps are just compatible for the two platforms. Doesn't mean the hardware or OS will be the same. It's like iOS and Android. They're totally different but many apps can run on both. That example is maybe a bit more extreme, but it's still mostly the same.
Pico 3 is not just extremely similar, but in fact has the exact same component, designed by the same team, and produced in the same place as the oculus 2. There are slight modifications in hardware, but run distinguish software. Pico is a brand that belongs to the ODM manufacturer behind oculus, and recently been acquired by Alibaba group.
"The quest looks dark and dingy next to the pico 3" maybe because its been played a lot and the Pico Neo 3 is brand new out the box? guarantee they will both look the same after time
Having a thunderbolt port instantly makes it a wayyy better PCVR headset. Oculus Link is *usually* functional, but the compression gets obvious at higher refresh rates and latency is still noticeable in fast-paced games.
@@danielj7958 At least you can get nice alternatives on Amazon that work perfectly for only like $20 - and they're still a pretty good length like 16ft (or almost 5m)
@@neonsoldier117 The cable doesn't matter though, the port itself is USB3, which is much slower than Thunderbolt. That's why the video has to be compressed before going to the Quest 2, making native resolution gameplay at reasonable framerates not possible. If the Quest 2 came with a Thunderbolt port, PCVR games would look better, run a bit better, and there would be less latency overall. That's why streaming the gameplay over a Link cable is very similar in quality and latency to just doing it over (reliable) WiFi, which wouldn't be the case if the Quest 2 had thunderbolt.
@@justitgstuff5284 yes, I agree with you. Although to be fair, I've yet to see a reasonably priced lengthy thunderbolt cable. Like anything over 3 meters 9-10ft.
@@danielj7958 The Link cable is fibreoptics and there are micro transceivers in the plugs to transform the data into light signals and back into data. That makes it expensive, though there's a better one from VR Cover that costs less (60 bucks) already with the same tech principle which even is capable of 10GBit/s instead of just 5. I mean the thing also is, when the Quest 2 was being released I literally asked everyone about the USB capabilities of the thing - because it matters. I haven't even got an answer till now. Noone, not even the manufacturer has told anyone in the public whether the Q2 can do 10GBits/ or just 5GBit/s. Then again, only around 300MBit/s is actually used, but it's possible to crank that up to 500MBit/s in Oculus Tray Tool. With a decent USB 3.2 interface the compression should be minimal, maybe even nonexistant. But there still seems to be a 5GBit/s limit on the Q2 somehow. Especially with the Q2, many have said they had even better quality over VD than cable (including Thrill).
This is a dark age for VR, every potential competitor to Oculus (vive, pico and etc) are all going towards releasinig their good headsets to businesses, vive has so far been the biggest dissapointment
@@diebygaming8015 is it for consumers if the price is 800+ dollars, still using the old vive wands that seems jankey now, and not even a great microphone? Who would buy that other than enthusiasts. And I know enthusiasts would buy it, they'll keep VR alive and those fumbling companies that don't even know their customers. But VR is going to die if there isn't enough support other than Oculus who are pulling out from developing games for pcvr. The only headset I can see that will make a great impact is the psvr2.
@@rm.mediaproductions no, on the contrary! I think oculus is bringing vr to many people who wouldn’t have previously been able to afford a headset. Although a competitor would be great (valve standalone anyone?) I do think vr is going many new places with the quest 2. Also, it’s spelled enthusiast, not enthusiest.
@@RidgeVR It's bringing people VR but the standalone version of it. Pcvr is a different beast, the only way to bring the pcvr experience is to either stream it or make a VR headset with pretty good horsepower. It's a good thing that many are going into VR with a good affordable price, but the playerbase is still very small for pcvr and there's hardly any good games in the forseeable future for PC players, the only one that I was waiting for was Sniper Elite, yet it fails again to be a true quaility VR title. It's like they saw half life alyx and think all they have to add is smooth locomotion, and floating hands.
@@RidgeVR The arguement is that there isn't a good affordable headset competitor to Oculus. We have valve which made the index but it's a 1000 bucks. We have vive who hasn't made a good VR headset other than their first one. We got the HP reverb, but it costs the same as the index almost and the controllers are super outdated with the old windows mixed reality LED's on the controller :/. So far there hasn't been a good headset for pcvr other than the oculus quest 2, quest 1 or rift s. I have to say screw you to VIVE, since honestly they have a horrible marketing team, they hyped up a rumored headset and BAM we got a facial tracker as a reveal (which i haven't seen anybody using it other than a few few few people in VR chat), then their standalone headset came along which costs a leg and a kidney to buy and is aimed for business only (The way they pitched it seemed like the headset is boring, business meetings, powerpoints, graphs....god damn it, not even half as fun as job simulator) . Then we get the vive pro 2 which is a sorry excuse with half of the effort to say "yeah we still make headsets for gamers too".
Do any amount research at all, please. They have rights. They get broken sometimes, just like here. We "Don't hear" anything because the US Government will spin ANY story to keep us afraid of China. Why would china ever let our media know about anything? I wouldn't.
@@zdhome5727 You are all over the comment section jesus. Get a grip. People have a bad opinion on china because china objectively has a TRASH government and TRASH laws and TRASH human rights. No amount of whining in the replies will change this.
@@superdiego.g Yes, voicing concerns does matter. In everything. I will keep fighting this brain-washing of the US. If you feel you are educated enough to make a difference, then I hope you fight for whatever side you are on.
@@zdhome5727 My friend from China literally had to keep quiet about a lot of things there that he can freely talk about here in the U.S. I've seen the laws regarding what is not allowed to be shown in film and TV alone to know that some pretty shady issues exist. Organized religion, political groups, and other free-speech groups, are out-right banned. (China literally banned Animal Crossing for the fact that people could customize their islands or include HK flag, etc., even though only friends can even visit the islands.) As much problems I have with our own government and culture (especially nowadays), I don't think China's government can deny a lot of the allegations thrown at it either. There's a pretty telling Chinese made film (that the government obviously didn't like) called "Life," directly addressing the issues with the ideals and realities of a communist/socialist-based government. Chinese people I've met, on the other hand, are very nice people. A friend of mine who was an exchange student here when we were in high school told me how it's pretty easy to get around some of the internet censoring there, but the fact that it's there should tell you a few things.
Hi from China, so yeah, actually I can buy it, shame I just already bought the Quest2. Was wondering about the storage and just checked the base model is 128GB. This would maybe explain the Quest2 suddenly upgrading. The price for the Pico Neo3 and the Quest2 are more or less the same here in China. Yes Quest2's are still being sold here on the grey market, imported and pre-activated. Foreigners can get out via VPN and activate using their own Facebook accounts if they wish. The Quest2 is still doing quite well here, but I for one did not know the Pico existed (you tend assume that any non-brand VR is gonna be garbage), so thanks for the heads up. :-) Keep up the good work, awesome channel.
It's also good that the Pico exists for those that don't want to deal with a VPN. Because you'd have to use said VPN to download games for it, too. I don't know if VPNs there charge by the megabyte like many of ours in the States do. But if so, that'd get pretty pricey.
tehy really arent competition though. facebook cant sell in china and pico cant sell outside of china. so they arent competing at all. we need valve to bring out a stand alone headset.
Even though the Quest 2 isn't sold officially in China. A lot more Chinese I know in VRChat still bought the Quest 2 as opposed to the Pico Neo 3. Not that nobody uses the Pico Neo 3, a lot of people do buy it over there. It's just that the Quest 2 seems to be selling better in China than the Pico Neo 3.
Although I have no data, I don't think Pico Neo 3 loses to Quest 2 in China. There are a lot of casual users that would never consider Quest 2, and I have a feeling that those users outnumbers the amount of serious users. The only reason why more serious people seems to have Quest 2 is likely due to it being released months earlier. Neo 3 only got its debut during the 618 sale and it hasn't even been 2 months yet.
Thanks for your insight. I managed to get my hands on one. I do business with China and the company I work with sent me one as a gift. Still trying to work out a few bugs with it, but LOVE it! I wish it worked better with a few games I play on Steam VR but I am sure they will optimize it moving forward. Great channel! Subbed ;-)
I do love the quest but the supply of titles is starting to really dry up. Seems that still no major studios are developing for it. I love the indie titles but VR is going to need big games.
Pico Neo 3 is a MORE EXPENSIVE copy of the Quest2. The difference is the Pico gives you the upgraded strap, extra buttons and unnecessary fans(I workout on my Quest and never have foggy lens nor do I desire a ventilation system on my headset). What planet am I on that everyone wants to jailbreak the Pico? If you like VR that much you should put your money with the innovators who invested time and money in research and development to create VR in the first place. Not the ones who specialize in reverse engineering and mass manufacturing copies.
@@ZedDevStuff its not that confusing, china is where all the manufacturing has gone too because of cheap labor. but china doesnt allow products in their country unless the government has control over them.
@@ge2719 not strictly true. The government dislikes any platform that allows people to voice dissent or post content it deems damaging to Chinese society. Even though the Quest 2, doesn't meet that criteria, its just its parent company Facebook does. China has no problem with Apple or Tesla for example, because there is no way on those platforms to post objectionable content to the masses. In fact the Quest 2 could probably be officially licensed for sale, if they just removed the need for Facebook connection and account.
Is the reason why this is not available in the west the copyright issues? I suspect that if it was released they would be hit with court cases from FB/Vive very quickly.
yeah I was really surprised that he never brought that up? there's a reason no western company is selling a competing quest 2 clone. And why Valve will have to differentiate their eventual quest competitor.
I frankensteined my quest 2 elite headstrap into something similar to this neo 3 strap(I had one of the faulty straps and got a free replacement so figured why the heck not) and I can confirm it's great. Best of both the stock and elite strap :D
@@g1u2y345 true on the camps, but you're wrong about the second. In a world where globalism is more of a thing and the internet has more sway than ever before - they can and make people disappear from positions that matter all the time. When they banned the Donald Trump, you really believe that had no effect? when they incorrectly fact-check something, you think that has no effect? sure they're not dead, but they don't need to be to crush their dreams or have 'activist' target them.
i hate this headset so much, it is a reason why superhot got censored and i afraid for more VR games who will try to work in this device use china level censorshipm , this is a huge problem
Man, I would love to see this release in the west, but then again, it doesn't have beatsaber, which I have more than 100 hours on, so I wouldn't get nearly as much use out if it as I have with the quest 1 and 2.
You'd rather your personal info and tracking data be sent to the Chinese Communist Party to form a profile on Americans? You realize the Chinese government can just take data from companies whenever they want?
@@rcbif101 Chinese software can usually be jailbroken and bypassed pretty easily, it's facebook that really goes out of their way to lock everything down. I'm sure if they released this, you could easily block the chinese ips and jailbreak the device, unless the oculus 2 which is it's pretty much impossible to use without using their shitty tracking software.
Privacy-wise it doesn't actually have to be a problem, as long as the device allows you to fully control it. If you want to use a Quest 2 without Facebook you can't do that, but if a Chinese device allows you to use it without an account and gives you root access, there's a noticeable improvement. Just look at the Steam Deck, you can do whatever you want with it because it isn't locked down. The real problem is with everything else that comes from Chinese practices, which is definitely a mixed bag.
Hmmm.... Deal with facebook.... or the Chinese communist party.... damn can I just get a headset without someone breathing down my neck? >3> (Jokes aside it's good to FINALLY see some competition even if I 'can't' buy it)
it isn t linked to your facebook account at least, they can collect your data, but they ll never know who is playing, what he watches and what s his interests. it s just raw and useless data
@@luxraider5384 Which is a HUGE benefit, but I'm less concerned about data collection, and more about data RESTRICTION with the Chinese competitors headset. There's gonna be things you cannot do or see on that headset when connected in network, and most likely going to be installations on specific sets of firmware that restrict things... I pray I am wrong.. but being the sector of work I'm in... it happens with almost EVERY device that's manufactured and designed for the country. :(
Both use bully tactics, If I had to make a choice between those 2 evils it would be FB, I don't support autocratic governments that oppress and discriminate their population.
I seen it there too and was tempted but I didn't know how reputable that site was. That headset is the Asia version which is slightly different from the US and Europe version, that we would get but still. There's another site that I saw one on but you need a tax ID, or equivalent to get one. I was told, by them, next month.
@@JAHDUBProductions I knew Thrillseeker was planning on dropping a video on it so I didnt look into it, but I've got a Quest 2 anyway so i dont really need it.
I think this vr headset is mostly for china only. I am from Vietnam and could bought a quest 2 legally, my teacher from Philippines said there is no restrictions in his country either
The thunderbolt port is a brilliant idea. -If- it was allowed , is it technically possible for us to get video input over usb-c port on quest 2 as well ? Again just in technical level.
Please tell us when the next Oculus Quest 2 alternative is feasible in the west so that we won't need to deal with FB trying to sneak in freaking adds into full price games
Oculus needs to make their Elite Strap but stretchy (kind of like the Pico strap), I tried an Anker strap that’s similar to the Elite Strap but I have a big head and I wear glasses so it didn’t fit
The reason the quest 2 is so cheap to buy is because they earn money due to Facebook tracking your habits. The tech in the quest 2 is sold at an initial loss.
@@mangasaint NO. That info is not worth much at all. They can sell it for a cheap price because they make up for it in market domination, volume, and game sales. It's very simple. They lock people into the Oculus ecosystem much like how PC gamers are locked into the Steam ecosystem.
My girlfriend uses an Oculus Quest 2 in China and we play together. They sell it with a vpn router on taobao in China. Her little cousin used it and didn't want to leave her home after dinner. His parents ended up getting him the Neo 3.
@@kxtbit yes vpns are illegal, considered a second degree of terrorism. But if you see me typing here I'm using a vpn, like most competent chinese Internet users. I have a Quest 2 bcs I bought it while outside of China, the device cannot connect to facebook for obvious reasons and I can't shove a vpn in it. So only games I already installed works.
I need this. I love my Quest 2, but my FB account was hacked 2 months ago and I haven't been able to use the Quest 2 since. Oculus support is great, but all account problems have to run by FB support staff. And they are the slowest support staff of any major corporation. You can't even contact them directly. Oculus has to contact them for you, then FB will relay information to Oculus and then Oculus contacts you. Its insane. I can't wait for a true Q2 competitor
@@cenciende9401 So you take getting your information sold for ads as bad as being possibly watched at all times by a government who is feared by its own people? You're the idiot then
Honestly looks like a really solid headset, the controllers just seem to need improvement... Having the controllers make that plasticy sound would be so annoying in VR. Otherwise it looks like something a lot of peeps could genuinely consider buying over a quest 2... If it was available 😅
yeah no thanks. It's a china exclusive. even if it was available in the US I would NOT do that. You can argue that Facebook sells data to china anyways, but are you absolutely sure Facebook is the only company doing that? Probably not. They just got caught.
@@lordnordsucc4082 ik for real, I can't stand people's hipocrisy, a bunch of guys complaining about their data when Google does the same, and almost everyone uses something Google related ( like Google itself, RUclips, MAPS, Gmail) It's so dumb...
I am no fan of Facebook, but the reason this kind of headset mostly stays in China is because of patent issue where Pico probably took "aspiration" from Quest when designing. Once a company can design and build something that doesn't have that risk, it'll be here in no time.
Calling this an “Alternative” is incredibly misleading. A more apt description would be “copy” or “piece of IP theft”. No way a Chinese company created this on their own ability.
I don't see why you're glorifying the Piko for fighting Facebook, when China is just as bad -if not worse- than Facebook. It's literally same shit, different story.
I’m not glorifying anyone besides mentioning than them building an App Store for a different region. It’s a piece on a weird and interesting headset that’s similar but also very different from what we know in the west.
@@ThrillSeekerVR Eh... it kinda sounds like it, probably because of the fact that you're hating on Facebook any chance you get. Yes yes, we get that monopolies and all that is bad, but Facebook makes the best products so they get the most market share. There's no reason to freak out and put clickbaity titles on everything that they do. (I remember that one TN about Facebooks installing ADs on the Quest, and your title made it sound like someone just died.) Besides, it's China. They could probably teach Facebook a thing or two about spyware. "Same VR users no matter what government" my ass.
The Pico Neo 3 IS an Oculus Quest 2 .... Pico is the Chinese manufacturer of the Quest 2, and because Q2 isn't allowed in China, FB has licensed Pico to release their own version of essentially the same hardware.
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Imagine for a moment, that a GAMING company that loved and appreciated it's clients, made the quest, instead of Facebook.,....
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I love how the Pico Neo 3 has the exact same hardware as the Quest 2 so it's just the same headset but with no facebook.
But all China
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Moot point since China gets your data from Facebook anyway lmao
@@Carnyzzle if you use that logic then having no Facebook isn't a benefit
@@realpoorman3154 I hate Facebook, but they haven't opened any internment camps yet. So a lil better than the Chinese Government.
The benefit is that Facebook can't terminate my damn facebook account because of something I did while playing a vr game you absolute idiot.
"I know it's kind of weird to be doing a review on a headset you can't buy."
PC users: Welcome to watching a new GPU review.
"Nothing to see here. Just go along." :D
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@@treasurewuji8740 I hate to say it, but you're right on that one.
@@treasurewuji8740 480.000 rx570 cards are gettin released into the used market. thats going to be dirt cheap
Me being like "bitch my monthly income is less than 100 dlls, I can't buy any of the headsets you show
That headstrap is a masterpiece. Like you said oculus really should have thought of that design. It would make a really great elite strap due to it being really hard to break on the sides.
It’s also $50 more, which the elite strap is only $50 more.
Elite strap with battery balances the weight well, but not cheap.
It reminds me of the steel series arctis headphones strap
Oculus made the quest 2 strap really terrible so people would want to buy the elite strap
The only extra I'd like is a strap bit that goes closer to the front of the headset on top to help tilt the headset upwards, or prevent it tilting down over time, a issue I had with the quest2.
The great thing about VR companies adopting the B2B model is they have more of a runway for experimentation. I would assume for consumer hardware there is a ton of cost-cutting needed..
Pico targeting B2B only in the west might be not their decision.. *putting on tinfoilhat*
That's a really good point.
As somebody from China, Neo3's tracking quality might be acceptable in light applications, but for heavier loads such as Beat Saber it lags behind the quest2 significantly. The company also bought a lot of positive reviews from VR influencers in China trying to cover that up, so not the best look.
Honestly, the Pico Neo3 is a nice headset, but it really is no competition with the Quest 2. In much of the Chinese circles a pre-registered quest2 is quiet a lot more popular and recommended
Thank you for the insight!
seems like they might've bought a positive review from a western influencer too. 0.0
Thanks for speaking the truth. It's a shame Chinese people need to use a VPN just to access this website..
@@radpugguy Wouldn't be the first time...
臧其超 Zang Qi Chao
CHINA'S CHEATING STRATEGY
According to 臧其超 Zang Qi Chao
中国咨询式股权投融资专家
A Chinese financial expert says Beijing copied its way to the world's front row. And now, it uses that leverage to get away with aggression toward the West.
(It means China stole all the intellectual properties of the West)
臧其超说，中国政府复制了通往世界前排的道路。 现在，它利用这种杠杆作用摆脱对西方的侵略。
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CCP ~ Cut , Copy , Paste
RRR ~ Rob Replicate Replace
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0:00 Intro
2:34 - Unboxing
2:43 - Design (and comparing to the Quest 2)
3:17 - PCVR with no Compression
3:34 - Headstrap short impression
3:48 - Controllers comparison
4:33 - Headstrap props
5:32 - Fan & Cooling
5:57 - Technical Details
6:47 - Tracking
7:20 - Visuals
8:07 - Usage & Game Support
9:42 - PCVR Wired & Wireless
10:31 - Why the Pico is Asia only
12:50 - Conclusion
13:13 - Outro
Thanks Thrill for the Awesome video!
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QOTW: what do you think oculus would do if there was more competition that forced oculus to change.
everyone would switch cuz the other competition would be much safer than facebook
@@hozani3875 the majority of people using the quest or oculus don't care about Facebook requirements, you can make a survey if you want
they would just make it cheaper. Like thrill says, they have the power to lower the price.
@@hozani3875 I wouldnt. And why would you trust one business over another? They're all the same. You're naive.
They would do better is the answer. Competition is always good for the consumer.
In my opinion they should use fans on all vr headsets, there are tiny fans that make almost 0 noise, draw just a little current and give off huge benefits. As you said no fogging, slight breeze/cooling on your face, etc. That should be a must have, maybe make a switch to turn it off in case people don't want it on would be the cherry on top
Pico is really missing out on not bringing it to the western market, so many people would love to get a quest but hate facebook
Totally. I have no idea why they would avoid it. Maybe their actions are blocked by an NDA- like some sort of arrangement with Facebook.
Cool but I got a oculus rift s so I don't have to worry about that shit
Wouldn't really be a good decision anyways - Which devil would you like to sell your data to? Facebook or the CCP? Personally I'd prefer the one which isn't a government known for making people go "missing" and presentday racial/religious cleansing.
@@stanleybochenek1862 until 2023
@@WelshSwordsman yeah but it's not like the headset it's from the government
Been hyped for a video on the pico neo for a while glad to see it :)
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Do you think people will be able use this to help jailbreak the quest 2? Having a non facebook version of the same headset to tinker with
This is a very interesting idea
@@ThrillSeekerVR video idea?
The key components being the same or similar does not grant total similarity in inner designs. Especially considering how encryption is mostly software based.
I also see no advantage in this whatsoever. Should be about as helpful as other Android phones existing.
No I doubt it. The apps are just compatible for the two platforms. Doesn't mean the hardware or OS will be the same. It's like iOS and Android. They're totally different but many apps can run on both. That example is maybe a bit more extreme, but it's still mostly the same.
Pico 3 is not just extremely similar, but in fact has the exact same component, designed by the same team, and produced in the same place as the oculus 2.
There are slight modifications in hardware, but run distinguish software.
Pico is a brand that belongs to the ODM manufacturer behind oculus, and recently been acquired by Alibaba group.
little bug, not Alibaba but Bytedance，the owner of Kiktok
Sweet. Been waiting for this video for a while. Thanks breh, for following thru.
I absolutely love ur intro!
Someone please make an adapter of the Pico Neo Strap for the Quest 2.
Where the heck would you even get the strap? Would probably be more economically viable to do the tried and trusted DAS frankenquest mod
just buy an HTC vive DAS already. It also has headphones which this pico strap does not. Good audio is critical for a good vr experience.
Look up vr balance, its a great addition to the quest 2
This is a good idea. I might explore it.
@@ryanmalin yeah except there's a huge draw back
Price.
"The quest looks dark and dingy next to the pico 3" maybe because its been played a lot and the Pico Neo 3 is brand new out the box? guarantee they will both look the same after time
Having a thunderbolt port instantly makes it a wayyy better PCVR headset. Oculus Link is *usually* functional, but the compression gets obvious at higher refresh rates and latency is still noticeable in fast-paced games.
Soo confused why the official link cable is soo expensive when it’s not thunderbolt
@@danielj7958 At least you can get nice alternatives on Amazon that work perfectly for only like $20 - and they're still a pretty good length like 16ft (or almost 5m)
@@neonsoldier117 The cable doesn't matter though, the port itself is USB3, which is much slower than Thunderbolt. That's why the video has to be compressed before going to the Quest 2, making native resolution gameplay at reasonable framerates not possible. If the Quest 2 came with a Thunderbolt port, PCVR games would look better, run a bit better, and there would be less latency overall. That's why streaming the gameplay over a Link cable is very similar in quality and latency to just doing it over (reliable) WiFi, which wouldn't be the case if the Quest 2 had thunderbolt.
@@justitgstuff5284 yes, I agree with you. Although to be fair, I've yet to see a reasonably priced lengthy thunderbolt cable. Like anything over 3 meters 9-10ft.
@@danielj7958 The Link cable is fibreoptics and there are micro transceivers in the plugs to transform the data into light signals and back into data. That makes it expensive, though there's a better one from VR Cover that costs less (60 bucks) already with the same tech principle which even is capable of 10GBit/s instead of just 5.
I mean the thing also is, when the Quest 2 was being released I literally asked everyone about the USB capabilities of the thing - because it matters. I haven't even got an answer till now. Noone, not even the manufacturer has told anyone in the public whether the Q2 can do 10GBits/ or just 5GBit/s. Then again, only around 300MBit/s is actually used, but it's possible to crank that up to 500MBit/s in Oculus Tray Tool. With a decent USB 3.2 interface the compression should be minimal, maybe even nonexistant. But there still seems to be a 5GBit/s limit on the Q2 somehow. Especially with the Q2, many have said they had even better quality over VD than cable (including Thrill).
Sorry to hear about your friends passing, i was whatchung the stream yesterday
This is a dark age for VR, every potential competitor to Oculus (vive, pico and etc) are all going towards releasinig their good headsets to businesses, vive has so far been the biggest dissapointment
vive pro 2 is a consumer headset, it's a new release and has great specs, why the hate?
@@diebygaming8015 is it for consumers if the price is 800+ dollars, still using the old vive wands that seems jankey now, and not even a great microphone? Who would buy that other than enthusiasts. And I know enthusiasts would buy it, they'll keep VR alive and those fumbling companies that don't even know their customers. But VR is going to die if there isn't enough support other than Oculus who are pulling out from developing games for pcvr. The only headset I can see that will make a great impact is the psvr2.
@@rm.mediaproductions no, on the contrary! I think oculus is bringing vr to many people who wouldn’t have previously been able to afford a headset. Although a competitor would be great (valve standalone anyone?) I do think vr is going many new places with the quest 2. Also, it’s spelled enthusiast, not enthusiest.
@@RidgeVR It's bringing people VR but the standalone version of it. Pcvr is a different beast, the only way to bring the pcvr experience is to either stream it or make a VR headset with pretty good horsepower. It's a good thing that many are going into VR with a good affordable price, but the playerbase is still very small for pcvr and there's hardly any good games in the forseeable future for PC players, the only one that I was waiting for was Sniper Elite, yet it fails again to be a true quaility VR title. It's like they saw half life alyx and think all they have to add is smooth locomotion, and floating hands.
@@RidgeVR The arguement is that there isn't a good affordable headset competitor to Oculus. We have valve which made the index but it's a 1000 bucks. We have vive who hasn't made a good VR headset other than their first one. We got the HP reverb, but it costs the same as the index almost and the controllers are super outdated with the old windows mixed reality LED's on the controller :/. So far there hasn't been a good headset for pcvr other than the oculus quest 2, quest 1 or rift s. I have to say screw you to VIVE, since honestly they have a horrible marketing team, they hyped up a rumored headset and BAM we got a facial tracker as a reveal (which i haven't seen anybody using it other than a few few few people in VR chat), then their standalone headset came along which costs a leg and a kidney to buy and is aimed for business only (The way they pitched it seemed like the headset is boring, business meetings, powerpoints, graphs....god damn it, not even half as fun as job simulator) . Then we get the vive pro 2 which is a sorry excuse with half of the effort to say "yeah we still make headsets for gamers too".
8:50 love the song choice here, "Wake Up, You're Dreaming"
Woah, you have my pfp, never thought I'd see that
You haven't seen re-calls because the Chinese have no consumer rights. Even if there were complaints, you wouldn't hear them outside the mainland.
Do any amount research at all, please. They have rights. They get broken sometimes, just like here.
We "Don't hear" anything because the US Government will spin ANY story to keep us afraid of China. Why would china ever let our media know about anything? I wouldn't.
@@zdhome5727 Both will spin it.
@@zdhome5727 You are all over the comment section jesus. Get a grip. People have a bad opinion on china because china objectively has a TRASH government and TRASH laws and TRASH human rights. No amount of whining in the replies will change this.
@@superdiego.g Yes, voicing concerns does matter. In everything.
I will keep fighting this brain-washing of the US. If you feel you are educated enough to make a difference, then I hope you fight for whatever side you are on.
@@zdhome5727 My friend from China literally had to keep quiet about a lot of things there that he can freely talk about here in the U.S. I've seen the laws regarding what is not allowed to be shown in film and TV alone to know that some pretty shady issues exist. Organized religion, political groups, and other free-speech groups, are out-right banned. (China literally banned Animal Crossing for the fact that people could customize their islands or include HK flag, etc., even though only friends can even visit the islands.) As much problems I have with our own government and culture (especially nowadays), I don't think China's government can deny a lot of the allegations thrown at it either. There's a pretty telling Chinese made film (that the government obviously didn't like) called "Life," directly addressing the issues with the ideals and realities of a communist/socialist-based government.
Chinese people I've met, on the other hand, are very nice people. A friend of mine who was an exchange student here when we were in high school told me how it's pretty easy to get around some of the internet censoring there, but the fact that it's there should tell you a few things.
Hi from China, so yeah, actually I can buy it, shame I just already bought the Quest2. Was wondering about the storage and just checked the base model is 128GB. This would maybe explain the Quest2 suddenly upgrading. The price for the Pico Neo3 and the Quest2 are more or less the same here in China. Yes Quest2's are still being sold here on the grey market, imported and pre-activated. Foreigners can get out via VPN and activate using their own Facebook accounts if they wish. The Quest2 is still doing quite well here, but I for one did not know the Pico existed (you tend assume that any non-brand VR is gonna be garbage), so thanks for the heads up. :-) Keep up the good work, awesome channel.
It's also good that the Pico exists for those that don't want to deal with a VPN. Because you'd have to use said VPN to download games for it, too. I don't know if VPNs there charge by the megabyte like many of ours in the States do. But if so, that'd get pretty pricey.
@@DFX2KX VPNs are also illegal there too
I'm still absolutely addicted to that intro xd
same, it's so well made!
the song is cookie, by Tokyo machine btw
you might already know tho
This is great i really fell like this is a proper show, dude you killing it keep it up!! YA
Hey thrill your vids are bussin👏👏🙏
Always such good info keep it up!!
🙌🤙🏻
Hey thanks Phoenix :)
Omg 😳 thanks so much for replying I didn’t expect that it’s my birthday on Tuesday you’ve made it already, I’m really hoping to get the quest 2!
bro your channel blew up! keep up the good work!
Bought subs
More competition is better! This is great👍
tehy really arent competition though. facebook cant sell in china and pico cant sell outside of china. so they arent competing at all.
we need valve to bring out a stand alone headset.
Even though the Quest 2 isn't sold officially in China. A lot more Chinese I know in VRChat still bought the Quest 2 as opposed to the Pico Neo 3. Not that nobody uses the Pico Neo 3, a lot of people do buy it over there. It's just that the Quest 2 seems to be selling better in China than the Pico Neo 3.
Although I have no data, I don't think Pico Neo 3 loses to Quest 2 in China. There are a lot of casual users that would never consider Quest 2, and I have a feeling that those users outnumbers the amount of serious users.
The only reason why more serious people seems to have Quest 2 is likely due to it being released months earlier. Neo 3 only got its debut during the 618 sale and it hasn't even been 2 months yet.
I am excited for more brands to get into the hybrid market. Facebook turns a lot of people off but hybrid headsets are good for the industry
I love how your beat saber colors match your logo 💕
Thanks for your insight. I managed to get my hands on one. I do business with China and the company I work with sent me one as a gift. Still trying to work out a few bugs with it, but LOVE it! I wish it worked better with a few games I play on Steam VR but I am sure they will optimize it moving forward. Great channel! Subbed ;-)
6:27 .. you can modify (over clock) and add cooling fans (google
VR Cooling Accessory)
I do love the quest but the supply of titles is starting to really dry up. Seems that still no major studios are developing for it. I love the indie titles but VR is going to need big games.
Pico Neo 3 is a MORE EXPENSIVE copy of the Quest2. The difference is the Pico gives you the upgraded strap, extra buttons and unnecessary fans(I workout on my Quest and never have foggy lens nor do I desire a ventilation system on my headset). What planet am I on that everyone wants to jailbreak the Pico? If you like VR that much you should put your money with the innovators who invested time and money in research and development to create VR in the first place. Not the ones who specialize in reverse engineering and mass manufacturing copies.
Fun fact: the oculus quest is made in China, but isnt allowed in a big part of China.
LOL 🤣
Confused confusing confusion
The same as airsoft guns.
@@ZedDevStuff its not that confusing, china is where all the manufacturing has gone too because of cheap labor. but china doesnt allow products in their country unless the government has control over them.
@@ge2719 not strictly true. The government dislikes any platform that allows people to voice dissent or post content it deems damaging to Chinese society. Even though the Quest 2, doesn't meet that criteria, its just its parent company Facebook does. China has no problem with Apple or Tesla for example, because there is no way on those platforms to post objectionable content to the masses. In fact the Quest 2 could probably be officially licensed for sale, if they just removed the need for Facebook connection and account.
Is the reason why this is not available in the west the copyright issues? I suspect that if it was released they would be hit with court cases from FB/Vive very quickly.
yeah I was really surprised that he never brought that up? there's a reason no western company is selling a competing quest 2 clone. And why Valve will have to differentiate their eventual quest competitor.
Does it come in communist red? Or maybe a darker shade for the blood of the Uyghur Muslims in the concentration camps?
13:02 love that you put that in there lmao
I swear this guy is genuinely amazing at editing, writing and talking
The first 4 notes of the intro reminds me of "Come on Eileen" and i now cannot unhear that song when watching these 😂
I frankensteined my quest 2 elite headstrap into something similar to this neo 3 strap(I had one of the faulty straps and got a free replacement so figured why the heck not) and I can confirm it's great. Best of both the stock and elite strap :D
Great vid! Happy to see you playing hyperdash in this video!
The controllers are a weird mix between the WMR (1st gen) controllers and the touch (3rd gen)
I love your channel and I look forward to hearing from you regularly. Thank you for doing what you do.
Eh, I think I would prefer Facebook having all my details instead of China
Look at your channel. I don’t think China would gaf about you or Facebook.
@@nullnull5976 💀💀
I mean FB is becoming a dictator with how it wants to control you, so i don't understand why you think they're better than China.
@@Layarion Facebook doesn't have internment camps, and hasn't made anyone "disappear"
@@g1u2y345 true on the camps, but you're wrong about the second. In a world where globalism is more of a thing and the internet has more sway than ever before - they can and make people disappear from positions that matter all the time. When they banned the Donald Trump, you really believe that had no effect? when they incorrectly fact-check something, you think that has no effect?
sure they're not dead, but they don't need to be to crush their dreams or have 'activist' target them.
1:39 I noticed that pylot music playing in the background don't try hiding it
6:46 Wow TWO songs that I listen to frequently? crazy (by Notaker btw)
i hate this headset so much, it is a reason why superhot got censored and i afraid for more VR games who will try to work in this device use china level censorshipm , this is a huge problem
Why did superhot get censored?
Amazing video, man! I'm envious, I would have loved to try it too!
It's great, I have one. Unfortunately my comment here was removed shortly after I had posted it.
@@VRBen wooot?
Man, I would love to see this release in the west, but then again, it doesn't have beatsaber, which I have more than 100 hours on, so I wouldn't get nearly as much use out if it as I have with the quest 1 and 2.
Those are rookie numbers!! Pump up those numbers!!!
Same. But I have 350 hours on it.
but it has no problem with synth riders, i guess.
@@victortitov1740 Yeah, but that's because synthriders isn't owned by oculus, and I don't play synthriders, so that would uldnt have any use to me.
If you only play vr for beatsaber you need therspy
love your videos bro, they just keep getting better, much love 💕 💕
"you cant actually buy one"
Me: *Dies*
why is in the intro the headst that only supports the dji fpv systhem. it has nothing to do whith vr... ?
They need to ban Facebook in the United States as well
That'd be impossible
Those pesky FB paid politicians won't let it happen, hurray for capitalism.
That would be censorship
@@WibblyWobblyChannel normally I would agree. Not in this case
Interesting you covered this and didn't mention anything about privacy or human rights. I guess it only matters when it's Facebook?
if Pico were to sell this in the US I would 100% rather buy this than the quest just because I'd rather not support Facebook
They can't because they would get sued by facebook...
Is it really better than Facebook when Chinese government can ban any account that remotely mentioned how evil they are.
You'd rather your personal info and tracking data be sent to the Chinese Communist Party to form a profile on Americans? You realize the Chinese government can just take data from companies whenever they want?
@@rcbif101 Chinese software can usually be jailbroken and bypassed pretty easily, it's facebook that really goes out of their way to lock everything down.
I'm sure if they released this, you could easily block the chinese ips and jailbreak the device, unless the oculus 2 which is it's pretty much impossible to use without using their shitty tracking software.
Dude, your videos are SO good. 🔥
Facebook is already a privacy issue but the Chinese government that’s a whole other level.
only a matter of time before people realize this. tik.....tok........ lmao
yeah they're both bad but FB over the CCP any day
Privacy-wise it doesn't actually have to be a problem, as long as the device allows you to fully control it. If you want to use a Quest 2 without Facebook you can't do that, but if a Chinese device allows you to use it without an account and gives you root access, there's a noticeable improvement. Just look at the Steam Deck, you can do whatever you want with it because it isn't locked down.
The real problem is with everything else that comes from Chinese practices, which is definitely a mixed bag.
In the end your data is being stolen either way so it honestly doesn't really matter
@@rom26ik ccp cant touch me i am in germany and a german lol
4:05 those buttons are loud Jesus Christ they sound like a gun going off
Hmmm.... Deal with facebook.... or the Chinese communist party.... damn can I just get a headset without someone breathing down my neck? >3>
(Jokes aside it's good to FINALLY see some competition even if I 'can't' buy it)
it isn t linked to your facebook account at least, they can collect your data, but they ll never know who is playing, what he watches and what s his interests. it s just raw and useless data
@@luxraider5384 Which is a HUGE benefit, but I'm less concerned about data collection, and more about data RESTRICTION with the Chinese competitors headset. There's gonna be things you cannot do or see on that headset when connected in network, and most likely going to be installations on specific sets of firmware that restrict things... I pray I am wrong.. but being the sector of work I'm in... it happens with almost EVERY device that's manufactured and designed for the country. :(
Both use bully tactics, If I had to make a choice between those 2 evils it would be FB, I don't support autocratic governments that oppress and discriminate their population.
@@OneofInfinity. Let's not forget murder ;)
@@Aelethil didn't joe biden say facebook is murdering people with misinformation?
You can buy it on Banggood for around £500 in the UK
I seen it there too and was tempted but I didn't know how reputable that site was. That headset is the Asia version which is slightly different from the US and Europe version, that we would get but still. There's another site that I saw one on but you need a tax ID, or equivalent to get one. I was told, by them, next month.
@@JAHDUBProductions I knew Thrillseeker was planning on dropping a video on it so I didnt look into it, but I've got a Quest 2 anyway so i dont really need it.
We need something like this for Germany since oculus also as problems here
Sadly probably wouldn't happen, Asian markets are way bigger and make much more of a profit than one for just Germany
I think this vr headset is mostly for china only. I am from Vietnam and could bought a quest 2 legally, my teacher from Philippines said there is no restrictions in his country either
chyna numba 1!!!!111
I just noticed dji fpv goggles in the intro so I was wondering does thrill(or whatever I should call him) fly fpv drones
The Pico Neo 3 in a nutshell: It’s an Oculus Quest 2, but with no Zuckerberg, that’s it.
But China
it's a quest, but with xi jinping, which is arguably way worse
But you know... Waaaaay worse...
The thunderbolt port is a brilliant idea. -If- it was allowed , is it technically possible for us to get video input over usb-c port on quest 2 as well ? Again just in technical level.
Finally some competition to the king of stand alone VR.
Lol nope. It's china
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WOAH I love the new intro!!
How China is able to create their own isolated world is stunning and scary at the same time
How is that scary
@@tofolcano9639 because the people there live in a world the government designed for them.
what is the name of the table tennis game that was shown 3:30
me: oh bet it’s 350 i think i might buy it!
thrill: and the only problem is… you can’t buy it.
I found it on Aliexpress ... for 700 EUR :(
Love your intros so much
Please tell us when the next Oculus Quest 2 alternative is feasible in the west so that we won't need to deal with FB trying to sneak in freaking adds into full price games
Oculus needs to make their Elite Strap but stretchy (kind of like the Pico strap), I tried an Anker strap that’s similar to the Elite Strap but I have a big head and I wear glasses so it didn’t fit
Thrill: "Only available in Asia"
Me, an Asian: "Sweet!"
Also me: _checks price. there's a 1x markup on price on local stores_
Srsly why 😢
The reason the quest 2 is so cheap to buy is because they earn money due to Facebook tracking your habits. The tech in the quest 2 is sold at an initial loss.
so Price x (1x) = Price..... thats a cruel markup those local stores!
@@ryanmalin more like price+ (price × 1)
@@mangasaint NO. That info is not worth much at all. They can sell it for a cheap price because they make up for it in market domination, volume, and game sales. It's very simple. They lock people into the Oculus ecosystem much like how PC gamers are locked into the Steam ecosystem.
How about you just order it from Taobao and use international transit to get it.
the battery on the back is also great because it makes battery replacements easier.
its not a battery, its just a pad. youre thinking of the htc focus 3.
My girlfriend uses an Oculus Quest 2 in China and we play together. They sell it with a vpn router on taobao in China. Her little cousin used it and didn't want to leave her home after dinner. His parents ended up getting him the Neo 3.
“You can't buy this”
Said the man not in China, I'm in this forsaken country so I am able to buy this but I already have a Quest 2.
How is the quest 2 when used in China? Does everything work as intended or are there restrictions?
wait but i thought the quest 2 was banned in China
edit: ok i guess someone already commented this while i was typing lol
@@kxtbit China is not that hardcore. A Vpn and it's solved.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 but VPNs are illegal in China too
@@kxtbit yes vpns are illegal, considered a second degree of terrorism. But if you see me typing here I'm using a vpn, like most competent chinese Internet users.
I have a Quest 2 bcs I bought it while outside of China, the device cannot connect to facebook for obvious reasons and I can't shove a vpn in it. So only games I already installed works.
I need this. I love my Quest 2, but my FB account was hacked 2 months ago and I haven't been able to use the Quest 2 since. Oculus support is great, but all account problems have to run by FB support staff. And they are the slowest support staff of any major corporation. You can't even contact them directly. Oculus has to contact them for you, then FB will relay information to Oculus and then Oculus contacts you. Its insane. I can't wait for a true Q2 competitor
Be ready for angry C64 users from that statement. XD
Indeed, how dare he malign the Holy beige breadbin. For shame! 🤣
Der gute, alte Brotkasten! (The good, old breadbin!)
That counter weight on the back is the Battery just FYI
Eyyyy, this sounds cool!
Wait so even though you keep showing beat saber it doesn't have beat saber?
Dude why do this?
Some of it was captured with PCVR play with the neo 3!
@@ThrillSeekerVR oh so you're using it as a pc headset for that not a stand alone?
Yep, although some of the footage is from quest capture.
Same as the capture of boneworks (obv not a standalone game)
Funny how everyone starts siding with Facebook after realizing how much worse getting a CCP headset would be.
A choice between a lesser and a bigger evil.
Worse? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha, the same side of the same coin idiot!
@@cenciende9401 So you take getting your information sold for ads as bad as being possibly watched at all times by a government who is feared by its own people? You're the idiot then
What's the song at 7:30 I know it's a rocket League song but what's the name?
Honestly looks like a really solid headset, the controllers just seem to need improvement... Having the controllers make that plasticy sound would be so annoying in VR.
Otherwise it looks like something a lot of peeps could genuinely consider buying over a quest 2... If it was available 😅
yeah no thanks. It's a china exclusive. even if it was available in the US I would NOT do that. You can argue that Facebook sells data to china anyways, but are you absolutely sure Facebook is the only company doing that? Probably not. They just got caught.
@@lordnordsucc4082 ik for real, I can't stand people's hipocrisy, a bunch of guys complaining about their data when Google does the same, and almost everyone uses something Google related ( like Google itself, RUclips, MAPS, Gmail) It's so dumb...
I am no fan of Facebook, but the reason this kind of headset mostly stays in China is because of patent issue where Pico probably took "aspiration" from Quest when designing. Once a company can design and build something that doesn't have that risk, it'll be here in no time.
Calling this an “Alternative” is incredibly misleading. A more apt description would be “copy” or “piece of IP theft”. No way a Chinese company created this on their own ability.
Hey man I wish all the best to you.
I don't see why you're glorifying the Piko for fighting Facebook, when China is just as bad -if not worse- than Facebook.
It's literally same shit, different story.
I’m not glorifying anyone besides mentioning than them building an App Store for a different region. It’s a piece on a weird and interesting headset that’s similar but also very different from what we know in the west.
@@ThrillSeekerVR Eh... it kinda sounds like it, probably because of the fact that you're hating on Facebook any chance you get.
Yes yes, we get that monopolies and all that is bad, but Facebook makes the best products so they get the most market share. There's no reason to freak out and put clickbaity titles on everything that they do. (I remember that one TN about Facebooks installing ADs on the Quest, and your title made it sound like someone just died.)
Besides, it's China. They could probably teach Facebook a thing or two about spyware. "Same VR users no matter what government" my ass.
@@ThrillSeekerVR Good video tho.
I love that u just put the Dji fpv googles in the intro😂😂👌
They cheap out on the controls for the headstrap didn’t they🤣🤣
Air vent was very smart. I’ve never understood these HMD dev not putting vents in the headset
Probably worries of contamination. How do you clean dust out of there?
they sure used ctrl+c and ctrl+v pretty well
Your new intro song made me vibe soooo hard. Amazing choice...
Not sure why this is being promoted when data security risk are at an all time high
The Pico Neo 3 IS an Oculus Quest 2 .... Pico is the Chinese manufacturer of the Quest 2, and because Q2 isn't allowed in China, FB has licensed Pico to release their own version of essentially the same hardware.
The fan in the pico neo is really loud but the eye tracking is cool
Joining your discord was probably the best decision i made in a long time
I have family in Japan and I can get one of these...but the funny thing is I bought my original Quest from China when I was in Japan in 2019 lol.
in my country this thing is expensive as heck. it costs around 1400$ for one Pico Neo 3.
buy it form aliexpress