He is right. Save a bit more and get the R5ii. Only if you are a collector or can easily recoup the money spent should you buy the mark 1. I went back and fourth about buying a Nikon Z8 this month. I finally did it yeaterday.
The problem is that every decision for something is also is a decision against something, if your funds are limited. As I do not make money from my photography any more, I have to decide if I spend money on new gear or the next vacation. The older I get, the more I tend to prefer vacations instead of gear. A new camera means that there will be three or four amazing cities that I will never visit. That's why I already use the same camera since 2013. It still does an amazing job. When it comes to non-action photography, the progress during the last decade was not very big unlike in the decade before that. So justifying new gear becomes harder. In I did a 24 day trip to several exciting places in July. I saw Istanbul, then Moscow, had a few hours in Tashkent, then went to Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur and Paris, where I was lucky to see Rafael Nadal play against Novak Djokovic. All that for about 5.000 Euros, which is about 200 Euros more than the R5 II costs. I will remember that trip forever, while a camera will only be the latest and best until a new one comes out. Of course someone else may have different priorities. As for the R5 II, you rightly say it has "almost" the same dynamic range as the sensor of the R5. That is worrying for me. As I focus on architecture and often take photos at low light at places where tripods are forbidden, dynamic range is a priority for me. It saddens me that Canon no longer focuses on reducing noise and instead relies on AI noise cancelling. A decade from now I had hoped that we would see one or two stops lower noise within a decade, because in the decade before that we saw at least three stops of improvement, which revolutionized low light photography. Sadly the last decade only brought about half a stop of improvement and seeing a camera that has even more noise than its predecessor is shocking to me. I get it, the R5 II is focused on action and therefore compromises a little bit of dynamic range for a higher readout speed. But is it too much to ask that they also offer a camera that focuses on low noise? Is everybody shooting sports and fast moving animals these days? What about landscape and astro photographers? The R3 already is a step in the right direction, but its dynamic range could be even better if the sensor was not stacked. Getting rid of pixel shift in favor of AI upscaling was a very bad decision. AI upscaling is something you can do with external software. So I do not see it as a feature of the camera. It only works with JPEGs anyway, while external software can upscale RAW files. Pixel shift is not perfect, but imagine they offered pixel shift and than used AI to correct the problems of moving leaves.
I bought the Nikon ZF the day it was announced and one year later I'm still happy with the camera. You are right Camera Sutra, buy the latest camera and forget about the old one. The money is well spent and will get the best out of the camera with the best features. That R5II looks like a beast of a camera. I'm glad Canon did a great job with it. I believe it will be camera of the year.
Remember, ANY piece of tech gear, no matter what kind including cameras, is only the 'best' - until it’s not. And the time from when something is seen as the best to when it’s not gets shorter every year. It happens with phones, tablets, NAS hardware, routers, computers and cameras, etc. If you upgrade to something and think you have the best, just wait a year or less and you’ll have that sinking feeling again. I learned to not play that game years ago. I’m an enthusiast, not a pro, so In my case, the glass I decided to marry does not mate with Canon bodies. I’ll wait until it’s time to date the new camera body that is sexy enough to trade up to. In the meantime I’m getting along very well with the 'date' I already have.
If it is a meaningful update, a R7 mkII would take some food from my plate and put it on Canon's plate. :). After 36 years in the IT industry, I learned there are always 3 versions of technology being discussed. 1) the last version which had issues, 2) the current version which fixes all the issues from the last version, and 3) the next version which will solve world hunger and bring about world peace.
@@camerasutra247 cool. was waiting to hear someone else doing it. We are going on a trip in 2 weeks will do the update after. If something goes horribly wrong not enough time to send to Canon and get it back. I was wondering if there were any hidden gems in 1.6 over 1.5. Good to hear the speed improvements.
Realistically, I hold on to my DSLRs... my 5DsR and my 5D2. Amazing colors, practically enough DR (I'm not shooting to test and pixel-peep beyond what is reasonably appreciated by whoever looks at my pictures). Sure, I could go for the R5 or R5m2, but what for? I don't shoot fast action, so I can't use what these cameras' advancements really offer. If I needed to step up my tech, I'd go straight for the GFX 100s or 100s2 - that's a noticeable step-up in resolution and DR. Most of all, it gives me that 16-bit readout that Canon doesn't seem to be willing to deliver. What would that give me? Finer color/shade gradations - and that's actually compelling to me. But the GFX sets me back 4+ grand and it's simply not worth the money to me right now! So case closed on that for the time being. ;) I'd rather be spending my emotions on perfecting my photographic eye and other skills. Enjoy your photography and your gear!
You have valid points and this is exactly what canon is fighting today. They are not fighting other friends. They’re fighting folks hanging onto their incredibly built DSLR‘s by millions to get those out of people’s hands and over to Mirrorless.
This is coming from an ex R5 shooter: I got my R5 II 5 days ago. I had two professional shoots for video commercial - the clients were STUNNED by the video quality, this camera blew their mind... It blew my mind too! The image is cleaner than the original R5, the contrast is better, the autofocus is way better, stickier and accurate by FAR(both, for video & photo!), its simply amazing!!! I just received a call for another project from from the same guys and im not even ready with this one! 🤩💸 Listen, guys, you need to change your perspective... The BEST camera is the one that gets the job done, right...? The BEST camera is the one that gets you more clients, right...? IF you are a professional and you are making money by Filmmaking or Photoshoots - you should buy the new R5 II for sure!
@@eyesofatiger1 you nailed it they live in this dreaming RUclips world. Let me know if you’re up for wanting to do a video together and have you come and share your experiences with it. My email is amar@247mediagroupllc.com
@@jonasweiss5817 lol when you cover a tech, everyone gets their panties all crossed because at the end of the day this camera blows Sony and Nikon to water right now
He is right. Save a bit more and get the R5ii. Only if you are a collector or can easily recoup the money spent should you buy the mark 1.
I went back and fourth about buying a Nikon Z8 this month. I finally did it yeaterday.
@@castieldiallo2945 awesome hope you used my link and not Tony’s lol just kidding.
@@camerasutra247 i am not in japan. second, i never pay full price for anything. purchasing an open box model is the way to.
The problem is that every decision for something is also is a decision against something, if your funds are limited. As I do not make money from my photography any more, I have to decide if I spend money on new gear or the next vacation. The older I get, the more I tend to prefer vacations instead of gear. A new camera means that there will be three or four amazing cities that I will never visit. That's why I already use the same camera since 2013. It still does an amazing job. When it comes to non-action photography, the progress during the last decade was not very big unlike in the decade before that. So justifying new gear becomes harder.
In I did a 24 day trip to several exciting places in July. I saw Istanbul, then Moscow, had a few hours in Tashkent, then went to Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur and Paris, where I was lucky to see Rafael Nadal play against Novak Djokovic. All that for about 5.000 Euros, which is about 200 Euros more than the R5 II costs. I will remember that trip forever, while a camera will only be the latest and best until a new one comes out.
Of course someone else may have different priorities.
As for the R5 II, you rightly say it has "almost" the same dynamic range as the sensor of the R5. That is worrying for me. As I focus on architecture and often take photos at low light at places where tripods are forbidden, dynamic range is a priority for me. It saddens me that Canon no longer focuses on reducing noise and instead relies on AI noise cancelling. A decade from now I had hoped that we would see one or two stops lower noise within a decade, because in the decade before that we saw at least three stops of improvement, which revolutionized low light photography. Sadly the last decade only brought about half a stop of improvement and seeing a camera that has even more noise than its predecessor is shocking to me.
I get it, the R5 II is focused on action and therefore compromises a little bit of dynamic range for a higher readout speed. But is it too much to ask that they also offer a camera that focuses on low noise? Is everybody shooting sports and fast moving animals these days? What about landscape and astro photographers? The R3 already is a step in the right direction, but its dynamic range could be even better if the sensor was not stacked.
Getting rid of pixel shift in favor of AI upscaling was a very bad decision. AI upscaling is something you can do with external software. So I do not see it as a feature of the camera. It only works with JPEGs anyway, while external software can upscale RAW files. Pixel shift is not perfect, but imagine they offered pixel shift and than used AI to correct the problems of moving leaves.
@@skyscraperfan great points speed is the game right now maybe image quality will be next.
I bought the Nikon ZF the day it was announced and one year later I'm still happy with the camera. You are right Camera Sutra, buy the latest camera and forget about the old one. The money is well spent and will get the best out of the camera with the best features. That R5II looks like a beast of a camera. I'm glad Canon did a great job with it. I believe it will be camera of the year.
@@izziereal2010 agreed
Pretty happy for all the canon shooters. I'm in the Sony Nikon and Lumix m4/3 so watching on the sidelines.
@@manilamartin1001 👌
I agree, live your life and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
Exactly
Thank you for all the knowledge and support I just got the mark 11 I also got the 100-500 and just ordered the 70 200 Rx. Excited thank you
@@Jennifer-n1z Go get em you will do wonders with it. Would love to see some of your work.
I already decided to treat myself to R5II.
@@MichaelAnderson-l3k awesome I have not missed my R5 original even for a minute since owning the Markii.
I don’t have any FOMO. I have the R5 and the R6M2. I just pulled the trigger on the R3 for $3800. Value and function works for me.😝
@@btecww awesome
Impatiently waiting for the rest of your videos on the r5markII setup guide…..!
I know bro coming this week
Remember, ANY piece of tech gear, no matter what kind including cameras, is only the 'best' - until it’s not. And the time from when something is seen as the best to when it’s not gets shorter every year. It happens with phones, tablets, NAS hardware, routers, computers and cameras, etc. If you upgrade to something and think you have the best, just wait a year or less and you’ll have that sinking feeling again. I learned to not play that game years ago. I’m an enthusiast, not a pro, so In my case, the glass I decided to marry does not mate with Canon bodies. I’ll wait until it’s time to date the new camera body that is sexy enough to trade up to. In the meantime I’m getting along very well with the 'date' I already have.
Fair enough I still have plenty of my DSLR’s, which I love
If it is a meaningful update, a R7 mkII would take some food from my plate and put it on Canon's plate. :). After 36 years in the IT industry, I learned there are always 3 versions of technology being discussed. 1) the last version which had issues, 2) the current version which fixes all the issues from the last version, and 3) the next version which will solve world hunger and bring about world peace.
By the way, update your R7 to 1.6 and you will see a big speed increase that I’m seeing
@@camerasutra247 cool. was waiting to hear someone else doing it. We are going on a trip in 2 weeks will do the update after. If something goes horribly wrong not enough time to send to Canon and get it back. I was wondering if there were any hidden gems in 1.6 over 1.5. Good to hear the speed improvements.
I'm looking to get the r6 mark ii.
@@Nordicus0114 that camera is hard to beat for the money
Realistically, I hold on to my DSLRs... my 5DsR and my 5D2. Amazing colors, practically enough DR (I'm not shooting to test and pixel-peep beyond what is reasonably appreciated by whoever looks at my pictures). Sure, I could go for the R5 or R5m2, but what for? I don't shoot fast action, so I can't use what these cameras' advancements really offer. If I needed to step up my tech, I'd go straight for the GFX 100s or 100s2 - that's a noticeable step-up in resolution and DR. Most of all, it gives me that 16-bit readout that Canon doesn't seem to be willing to deliver. What would that give me? Finer color/shade gradations - and that's actually compelling to me. But the GFX sets me back 4+ grand and it's simply not worth the money to me right now! So case closed on that for the time being. ;) I'd rather be spending my emotions on perfecting my photographic eye and other skills. Enjoy your photography and your gear!
You have valid points and this is exactly what canon is fighting today. They are not fighting other friends. They’re fighting folks hanging onto their incredibly built DSLR‘s by millions to get those out of people’s hands and over to Mirrorless.
I've recently switched to GFX cameras and I love it ...updated my 50s ii to 100s ii ....it's so good 😅😂
Awesome yeah that produce amazing output
@@camerasutra247 Im mostly landscapes and dabble in other photography! I have an XT5 also. Fuji cops a lot of flak! and I love the quirky nature of it
This is coming from an ex R5 shooter:
I got my R5 II 5 days ago. I had two professional shoots for video commercial - the clients were STUNNED by the video quality, this camera blew their mind... It blew my mind too! The image is cleaner than the original R5, the contrast is better, the autofocus is way better, stickier and accurate by FAR(both, for video & photo!), its simply amazing!!!
I just received a call for another project from from the same guys and im not even ready with this one! 🤩💸
Listen, guys, you need to change your perspective... The BEST camera is the one that gets the job done, right...? The BEST camera is the one that gets you more clients, right...?
IF you are a professional and you are making money by Filmmaking or Photoshoots - you should buy the new R5 II for sure!
@@eyesofatiger1 you nailed it they live in this dreaming RUclips world. Let me know if you’re up for wanting to do a video together and have you come and share your experiences with it. My email is amar@247mediagroupllc.com
I have no interest in mirrorless, my 6D & 5DsR does what i need plus more
@@gary0078 👍
No thanks, just waiting for the M12. It is just on my update cycle. M4, M5, M8, M9-P, ...
@@Funktrainer 🤩
So Tony is selling mark I and you are selling mark II? Major upgrade me bolox 😅😂😮
Buy both KEH must have a higher payout this week than b&h 😂
Don’t need fast AF. My 5DS R rules.
@@jonasweiss5817 that’s a legend
😊
@@sergeantcrow 🙏
Stop the philosophy and just cover tech.
@@jonasweiss5817 lol when you cover a tech, everyone gets their panties all crossed because at the end of the day this camera blows Sony and Nikon to water right now