What I'd love is if they'd run joint races in Europe or Australia with something like Supercars or GT World Challenge, so they can give more exposure and run unique and interesting tracks. As well as this, they need to get a triple crown of major oval races, adding on Texas and Michigan(if they can convince NASCAR to run the race) as a part of it. Anything better than "all eggs in 1 basket" for the 500, because a field of this high quality of drivers not getting as much attention outside the niche fanbase is frustrating.
I would like to see Indycar maybe go do A joint race with F1. The easiest place I see this happening is COTA. But The wildcard Option would be Montreal. Trying a new track that's already setup with Formula one already there. Would be a lot of fun.
4:12 The problem with the NFL is that it is practically smothering when it's on, for reference, the highest rated sporting event in the US in 2022 which wasn't the NFL was the NCAA Football National Championship in *33rd* with less than a quarter of the viewership despite being on 5 different channels and between two of the biggest and most popular college football teams out there. The NFL is so big in the US that if you're a fan of any sport you're probably also an NFL fan and any sport going up against them is going to lose at least some of those people.
Just to add onto this, I ended up learning to enjoy NFL/NCAA football 5 or 6 years back just because I was working at a new job and everyone there would talk about it or fantasy football. I was the odd duck out for preferring baseball/motorsports instead. Football is massive in America, and it almost seems like folly to compete against it. Indycars branching outside of the US really needs to be considered again.
I’ve been a nascar fan my whole life but since 2020 I’ve been watching most all Motorsports I can find. My favorite non nascar Motorsport is definitely IndyCar which I have gone to 2 races at Texas Motor Speedway the last two years. Unfortunately, that track is not on the schedule next year which hurts me.
I'll repeat what I said in the original video about the USF championships: They're currently sanctioned by USAC, which works with FloRacing, there is no reason they can't be part of FloRacing's package and get better coverage from it. USAC just won't do it because....well, they're USAC - they're not known for the smartest decisions. Why Anderson Promotions doesn't do it themselves, though, is beyond me. When it comes to competing with the NFL, while the reasons for the impact aren't obvious to most, it is a very real thing - CART, at its peak, still sometimes struggles to pull 1.0 TV ratings when going up against the NFL. As much as IndyCar fans don't want to admit it, it IS a real concern - Which is why the schedule should be starting EARLIER rather than ending later, thoguh that does cause some headaches(though that idea of a race in Argentina could be used to help with this)
Yeah what ever happened to that? They never said anything about them failing to reach a deal. In fact, they said a deal was 99% completed (very close) in the last update a month before the schedule got released. Then nothing was ever said about it again.
@@benwalter4842Well, Argentina just elected some pretty out-there libertarian president (or prime minister or whatever they use) who wants to cut spending on everything, even the stuff everybody agrees is important. A race in another country is only going to happen if someone picks up the tab for the transportation, and it appears the sponsorship money in Argentina won’t be there, so no race.
My first racing game was indy500, in 1989. As a young European my first contact with American racing. I could only choose between three cars and the only track was Indianapolis, but I loved the game because it was so complete for its time. Many setup options and variables, the possibility to blow up your engine after keeping the car out of the walls for 150 laps and the technical retirements of the opposition. every race i did was different even it were the same 33 cars at the same track. It ran in MS-DOS and I don't have it anymore, but i remember the game and how it made me interested in Indycar forever. If Indycar would bring out a game like this today, with different tracks and car options, it would be a success because of the close racing and tactics. The 1989 game was made by Electronic Arts. Crazy how i still buy games from them after 30 years.
I want Indy to go more international like Canada and Australia used to be Indy/CART races, they could go to Mexico or Argentina since they have drivers from those countries present. They could branch to countries their drivers are from, within limits of logistics and budgets. Plus I love the idea of better/more camera operators.
The Molson Indy Vancouver was killed by rich locals in the false creek area who threw a giant strop over the "inconvenience" the event had on their lives, and when they tried to bring Formula E to vancouver a couple of years ago those same rich assholes shot it down for the same selfish reason, unless a permanent facility is built somewhere in the GVRD (which will never happen because land is way too valuable there and the environmentalists with have a fit about it) racing will likely never return to vancouver. Calgary's stampede grounds (Stampede Park and The Saddledome) would probably be the only real option in alberta. The old military runways at Winnipeg's Richardson International Airport could show potential as a venue but the issue there is that its an active airport so getting permission from the city port authority, the provincial/federal governments and the airport itself to essentially shut down 1/3 of the facility would be impossible at best, and a street circuit through downtown would be all but impossible to do because the roads are always a mess since winters there are really harsh. Montreal's Ille Notre Dame could be a good candidate but the issue there is the fees the owners charge for usage of the venue by series like nascar, imsa and indycar are known for being unreasonably high, there's also the circuit mont trembalnt and Circuit Trois-Riveres but they're both out on the middle of nowhere and they're old so they'd probably need serious modernization to host indy car. I also don''t see quebec city wanting anything to do with an indycar race because they got burned by F1 in the 70's when they were looking to move the canadian grand prix from mont tremblant and Ille Notre Dame swept in at the 11th hour to steal the race from them. The only other canadian city I could see possibly hosting an Indycar race would probably be Halifax. Either on a street circuit through the harbour area of the city or on the decommissioned runways at CFB Shearwater, the issue there is that while there are about 400.000 people living in the greater halifax metro area (within a 2 hour drive of the city) I just don't see it being a draw for racing, especially if you consider the fact that IMSA ran races at the CFB Shearwater in the mid 90's which were such a monumental failure due to low attendance that the contract was canceled two years before it was supposed to end.
6:53: Indy Car signed an agreement with Motorsports Games in 2021 for that company to develop an Indy Car game. Indy Car chose not to renew a prior licensing agreement with iRacing. It turned out to be a bad deal. Motorsport Games turned out to be a blue smoke and mirrors operation that was incapable of delivering on its promises including not delivering on signed agreements with NASCAR and a British touring car series. There were many signs of trouble including continuing push backs on the targeted start of the game ( which was supposed to be in 2022 or 2023) and finally three weeks ago Motorsport Games announced " it was suspending development of the Indy Car game" The company is losing millions of dollars and it is possible it could eventually declare bankruptcy. The article I saw said that apparently Indy Car gave up control of the licensing agreement to Motorsports as part of the original agreement. Therefore they may face a legal fight with them to regain control before they can seek a replacement provider, such as iRacing.
I didn't see the request for comments on the other video. My number one way that Indy Car can be improved is to get away from NBC. The racing presentation on that network has become unbearable, to the point that except for the Indy 500 I have not watched a race since July 2022. There are way way too many commercial breaks. And NBC has no qualms about going to a commercial break in the last few minutes of a race, such that they may miss a pass for the lead in the closing stages. A replay of the pass after the commercial IS NOT an acceptable alternative. If a race is under green flag conditions there should NEVER be a commercial break in the last 15 minutes. When they are out of commercial breaks, there are an inordinate amount of pre recorded features with many instances of the network coming out of a break, showing the feature and then IMMEDIATELY going back to ANOTHER commercial break. They go into commercial breaks when it is obvious that the pit stop window is opening so that green flag pit stops are missed. When in racing coverage, the announcers and even the pit reporters too often are shills for network and race team sponsors as well as pitch men for NBC's NASCAR racing telecasts and celebrities in other NBC TV shows. The self promotion is enough to be sickening. A solution may not be easy as the prior provider ABC/ESPN was just as bad. I don't watch NASCAR so I can't speak to Fox' quality of racing coverage. I don't know if CBS would be interested when the NBC contract expires and streaming services are probably not an option as Indy Car wants the breadth of viewers that only a TV network can provide.
On the NFL side it is less the audience but more the TV scheduling because NFL and College football is so big, on Saturdays you have College games going from midday to midnight and then for NFL you have Sunday night football which still could allow a race to happen but would need to fit around the scheduling again
What’s funny is that everyone I know only knows F1 and NASCAR, Indycar, IMSA, and WEC haven’t been said so despite what Indycar has done and had. NASCAR is still the dominant US series.
Reading some of the comments here and the ones highlighted in the video. It just confirms the belief that Motorsport fans just wants what sounds good. More powerful cars, a triple crown, a special event, international races. All of which sound good on paper, but in reality wouldn't help and would probably hinder.
Speaking of improving Indycar, I would like to see a video of your opinions in how WRC could improve as a motorsport series. I've always had a fondness of dirt racing, however there are not many ways you could watch it live unless you have a subscription to WRC Plus which is anything but cheap. Not to mention, the series' lack of manufacturers in the Rally1 programme since 2019 when Citroen left the programme due to the lack of top level prospects at the time. There are potential manufacturers like Skoda, Peugeot, maybe even Subaru return with their newest cars the Fabia, 208 and the WRX. Sadly, with the implementation of the hybrid system, it makes for new manufacturers entering the series difficult and there aren't many ways for them to promote their cars through the media if the series itself is on the declining state of view. I'm all happy for the battles between Toyota, Hyundai and Ford have at the moment, but it could've been something more, something better than that I'm sure.
On the point of Europeans and the seeming preference for Europeans watching the sport, I feel like a once a year showcase race in Europe at say Lausitzring (which used to host a Champ Car Race) would do wonders for the sport, certainly would bring a lot more attention their way. I understand the logistics may be difficult for them but even with a 3/4 of the cars being able to run it would still be a wonderful event.
I can remember as a kid the IndyCar season starting in March at Surfers Paradise and finishing at Laguna Seca in September. The longer season didn't occur until around 1998 when the Surfers event got moved to October, then had Fontana run after it. I think a lot of people think the September finish to the season is a new thing in the last decade or so but it occurred regularly long before it. In saying that however, finishing around the end of October would be nice to see personally, and losing double header races. Have 17-20 races at that many different venues.
I race cars for a living myself. None of the support series for Indycar weekends and F1 weekends are tangible. Here in Canada, if F1 and Indycar are coming to Canada, it's a city street circuit. This means, a track that we don't get to race on in real life. Why? Why should it be prohibitively expensive (the minimum spend on a car to drive in an Indycar/F1 support series race is often several hundreds of thousands of dollars) Why? Why can't you slap a roll cage in a road car for only $50,000-$100,000 CAD and run on track with an Indycar/F1 support series? Why do I need to buy a $350,000 Mercedes Benz AMG GT GT4 or something even more expensive, in order to race on the same tracks as them? I have no reference point for how fast these Indycars are because every car that I see driven on the tracks here in Canada is always prohibitively expensive. Fan engagement suffers when the support series are bad. You end up with people being like "ah, forget that boring Porsche Cup, I'm only here for Indycar" and if the IndyCar race isn't spectacular, people will lose interest in the whole thing. It's not like "well, we've got Toronto streets closed down, let's put a racing series with 50 amateur teams on it and the fans will get to see some exciting racing no matter what" It ends up being "lock this track behind a paywall, lock admission behind a paywall, what do you mean the fans can't relate to the series?"
Damn, I was with you right up until "more ovals". 😂 Indycars are bloody great machines (more real than F1), but dunno why USAers love turning them left on hard surfaces. Down & dirty ovals with short wheelbases are the biz imo. Australians, don't as a rule, give a single eff about US motor racing. Cheers for a fun video TDR.
The southeast doesn’t have the same connection to pro football that the rest of the country does. It’s big, yes, but college football is bigger, and there was only one southern NFL team until the mid 90’s (Miami and Tampa are not ‘the south’).
I think Indy car needs more engine suppliers like Toyota, Ford, hell even add in Porsche. Just having two engine suppliers in Chevrolet and Honda and call it a manufacturers title is really dull. Honestly, I think having more engine suppliers will spice things up and give teams more options.
American Race Fan here - They also need more tracks. Why dont they come to cota anymore? Look at nascar.. its a massive event every year. Also genuinely i think the cars are a tad too slow. I think they need to be a bit faster than F2 to be more interesting. They seem too slow outside of Ovals. Also, lets be honest.. they need a DTS style series to bring race and non race fans in. Especially the stories of what happena during a season. No one knows anything about whats actually going on at Indy so how can people get invested?
Talking about races in Europe, I hear there are a couple of Grade 1 circuits in Germany that might be up for it... Maybe they could even take advantage of having a Spaniard and a couple of Kiwis at the front?
Indy car lost audiences in part, in my estimation, is that in the past there were no consistent drivers lineups...teams were switching out drivers all of the time...the days of Andretti, foyt, Mears, Rutherford etc. ended and so did fanloyalty to the sport! Today is a good rebuild of driver lineup...good recognizability year in and year out. Nascar capitalized on this when Idy was in flux. I think you might add this to your bullet points of improvements.
For the game, msg was making a game that would've been released next year but then they cut it, if indycar gets away from msg then iracing can finally go back to streaming indycar events
6:18 i think this point was brought up more than once and for me that's really dumb, i like that Indy and IMSA are not playing with their graphics in a gimmicky way like F1 or WEC do nowadays, where they show way too much stuff in graphics that either don't really matter that much or are straight up made up (looking at you aws)
What are you talking about, costs are 30% lower when adjusted for inflation then they where in 2011, and the field is consistently full with the very real possibility of Pratt & Miller's entry seeing the entry cap raised for 30 for regular races. Costs aren't an issue, it's the fact that Honda, Ilmor and Dallara are struggling to supply enough teams. You'd need another supplier to have a 37th entry for Indianapolis.
@@ZontarDow ok,so one supplier of chassis and engines,what about Liger and Ford,with a dream schedule like this set. 1:st Petersburg (street track) 2:Barber (road course) 3:long beach (street track) 4:Texas (oval) 5:*Phoenix or Richmond* (oval) 6:Indy GP (road course) 7:Indy 500 (oval) 8:road america (road course) 9:*Pocono* (oval) 10:gateway (oval) 11:4th of July in mid Ohio (road course) 12:watkins glen (road course) 13:Texas (oval) 14:Kansas (oval) 15:laguna seca (road course) 16:Iowa (oval) 17:Nashville GP (street circuit) 18:and maybe the most craziest and maybe the worst idea ever (street circuit)Vegas GP. a better way to end the season with a bet and do the same thing that they did in 2012 Vegas race,and put 32 guys in sin city for the win,all drivers that are not part of the IndyCar season and win the race,could win a bonus of 5 million dollar prize.
@@joseangelgutierrez8122 multimatic would make more sense, especially if you wanted Ford as a supplier, but realistically Ford if they did come back to Indy would be slapping their name on the Cosworth Indy engine that's been in storage since 2013.
The Football hit is real, but I think it's a non issue because you could have 20 race weekends plus Indy qualifying weekend, with a weekend off for teams to go to Le Mans and Sebring within the existing calendar without issue due to how many breaks there are. And that's not me calling for that to happen, I think 16 race weekends works just fine, it's just to demonstrate that it is possible and that it's perfectly logical for the race series that's 3rd in American motorsports which is itself a category that's 3rd behind American rules football and baseball to want to prioritise having its limited number of races be during a time they're more likely to get on broadcast then cable, which has a significant effect on viewership numbers. The only way we're getting IndyCar during football season would be if The CW licenced it and was confident enough that using it as a competitor against the football on other networks was worth it since they currently have only golf slated to do that and that won't be doing it every weekend.
@@lucastraman706 You mean like Nashville? Personally I think that IndyCar letting NASCAR grab Montreal's second permitted race weekend was a spectacular failure on their part.
So, the thing with Indycar is that they don’t want to spend their own money if they can’t get someone else to spend theirs. Except for the Indy 500, I believe every other race is promoted and paid for by someone else, and Indycar isn’t really interested in spending their own money to promote a new race at the moment. It is the same with international races; they won’t happen unless someone else covers the transportation. Roger Penske didn’t become a billionaire by spending his own money, so unless Indycar decides it absolutely has to, they won’t be the ones putting on a race at a new track themselves any time soon.
Indycar management is a real problem. -get rid of restrictive engine rules -more horsepower, and slightly less downforce 850-900hp, 2 element front and rear wings max. -go back to vent/slotted steel brakes, carbon brakes are wasteful -1 more Canadian race, 1 race in Mexico or South America -1 or 2 races in Europe. Brands Hatch and Anderstorp IMO, w/ national series. -1 race in Australia w/ Supercars series
Yeah, but that’s because they promote the street races way harder than the ovals. If a race at MIS got the same local promotion the street race gets, you’d get the same turnout.
My unpopular opinion is: indycar has to do something about fuel saving. What we have is some of the raciest, driver challenging cars on the planet all running around at 70% of their capacity to try and save more fuel than the rest of the field. That doesn't make for exciting racing and about 2/3rds of the season end up being fuel saving racing Hardcore fans might appreciate the strategy of professional racing, but it does nothing to attract new fans Hell F1 went to Vegas and actually put on a race full of overtaking and their cars are much harder to pass with than an indycar..... Indycar has better cars for overtime and they use the pits to pass more often than not. This is not entertainment!
I didn't comment on the original, but here are a few things from me: 1. More venues - IndyCar next year has 17 races, the same as 5 years ago, in 2018. The difference is, in 2018, they were spread across 16 different venues (only Detroit was a doubleheader). Next year, they're spread over 13. This for me is inexcusable when circuits like Road Atlanta, Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Miller Motorsports Park etc etc exist (I understand why they don't want to race at COTA for F1 comparisons). 2. Longer season - I agree with others, finishing in September is a weird call, especially when IMSA, NASCAR and NHRA all continue to October and November. 20 races across 9 months (February to November) would be perfect. 3. A special race - NASCAR has the All Star, NHRA has the All Star Callout, why can't IndyCar have something similar? I don't count the Thermal Club because as far as I can work out, its members only so no spectators would be allowed. 4. Get rid of Detroit and IMS Road Course - Detroit is not suitable for IndyCar, and IMS is the dullest road course of the season. 5. Race in another North American country - I understand why IndyCar don't want to venture outside North America. NASCAR don't, IMSA don't, NHRA don't. But a special race in Mexico, Barbados, Bahamas, Hawaii wouldn't be a stretch. And would 100% add to IndyCar's special race appeal.
Agree with most points, including getting rid of the IMS road course. The exception is that I think Detroit should stay. However, they should either change the layout of the circuit to make it more exciting, or go back to the Belle Island circuit. I also understand that they do not want to compete with the NFL. However, they defiantly have plenty of room during the season to add a few more races, and expand the schedule. In fact, they could easily add a race, or two, to fill in the schedule gap between the first and second races of the season, since that gap always seems completely pointless. They could easily fill the gap in with new venues, as I too like a more diverse schedule every year. They will defiantly have more international races at some point in the near future. It is not a matter of if, but when they will do it. I personally do not care for a special non-points race, but that is just my opinion of course.
Back in 2000 CART actually planned a huge season ending event in Honolulu for 2001, it was supposed to have been the indycar season finale with a $1.000.000 prize that was to be accompanied by a special invitational event featuring past Indycar/F1 champions/indy 500 winners racing for charity. It ended up falling through because of logistical problems and lack of interest/opposition from the locals.
Isn’t INDYCAR switching to hybrid engines for this year? “The RACER channel” has a video of them testing. And I’m pretty sure they don’t need starters so no more cautions for stalled cars.
I'm a Nascar fan, and one thing I would love is more joint weekends, especially on ovals. Indy was weird because of the history with Nascar fans, most never supported the Indy road course. A Iowa joint weekend will be far more positive, especially since NASCAR fans have been dying for Iowa and now that we have it, throwing it with Indy car will add more. Also no video game is FAR better than a shit game.....
The rating tank from motor went comes to NFL big spot in us. Rather front half pack with races the then back half Oval have a problem it called NASCAR blocking rights to races their. And yes they do this homestead and Texas. I fine season finish when does.
Indycar should attempt a race at Montreal. At the same track as f1. Get Indycar out there maybe before or after F1. It would be getting indy into the Canadian Market who already are used to open wheelers racing. Plus it wouldn't require building a new track or a big commitment. The infrastructure is already mostly there.
I'm going to say the same thing I did in the last video. Qualifying on road and street courses should be single car runs. Your starting position in the race is very important. If one car crashes, it could mess up qualifying for many other drivers. That is just not fair to the other drivers who had to abandon their fast laps and potentially start in the back because of it. Also the knockout format is just not necessary. It often leads to drivers advancing and then setting slower times than the drivers who didn't advance.
Pocono is only an option once it gets a repave and its barriers get brought up to current standards. The series also showed that if a return to Charlotte happens it'll be on the roval rather then oval. Michigan would be nice though.
They could also add 3 "500 Mile Challenge" (500 Miles/3 Hour time Limit) events at road courses like Mid-Ohio, Road America and Watkins Glen alongside the old "Indycar Triple Crown" (Indy 500 and two other 500 mile oval races) and have a special purse (say $5.000.000) for the driver that wins the majority (5/6)/all of those events.
Point for point you were mostly spot on, and thank you for posting Indycar content, been my thing since I was a knee high and so badly rooting for the series to take the next step forward and succeed, need more people like yourself shedding light on this gem of a series.
4:10 there is overlap between Indycar and nfl fans for the simple fact every single Indycar race is held in a state that has an nfl team except for 3 and the 3 that don’t have nfl teams have college football teams, the reason why Indycar and even nascar just cannot compete with the nfl is because it truly is gigantic, everyone watches at least one game and when it’s Sunday it is when the races are on there’s football from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep, that’s why even nascar which is much more popular than Indycar has its rating completely drop as soon as the nfl season starts
One thing I hope about IndyCar is a new chassis after 2026, hopefully between that and 2028. Yes, the IR-12/DW-12 is quite a modular chassis and has gone through numerous updates and aerokits over the past decade and change. And this is where they can finally put a 900 hp engine (they did test a 900 hp 2.4 V6 in early 2022 which was designed to fit in the current chassis) and a more dedicated hybrid system. Right now, they dropped the 2.4 in favor of the hybrid system which is designed to fit in the bell housing of the gearbox so it doesn't actually require modification whatsoever, and is currently being tested. I personally can't wait for the supercapacitor-based hybrid system in action. It will be replacing the push-to-pass system and whispers are that drivers are allowed to deploy any time they want so long they have energy and harvesting is up to the teams--and that is unlimited as well. Will Power noted in a video by RACER of how the hybrid system makes the engine braking felt more like the old pre-2012 V8s off throttle, so we can be excited about what the hybrid will bring to the racing. Being a supercap system, it won't hold as much energy as batteries like they do in F1 or even WEC, but the unlimited harvesting should make up for that. I am in favor of having a transition period between chassis where you can be allowed to run the old chassis for a while when others are using the new chassis and do a sort of balance of performance thing. This is due to cost--the DW-12 chassis is being mass produced by Dallara which costs around $350,000-ish which is comparatively cheap, so even a small outfit can run it.
What I'd love is if they'd run joint races in Europe or Australia with something like Supercars or GT World Challenge, so they can give more exposure and run unique and interesting tracks. As well as this, they need to get a triple crown of major oval races, adding on Texas and Michigan(if they can convince NASCAR to run the race) as a part of it. Anything better than "all eggs in 1 basket" for the 500, because a field of this high quality of drivers not getting as much attention outside the niche fanbase is frustrating.
Agree
if they came to australia (at non-F1 prices) i would happily go to it
I would like to see Indycar maybe go do A joint race with F1. The easiest place I see this happening is COTA. But The wildcard Option would be Montreal. Trying a new track that's already setup with Formula one already there. Would be a lot of fun.
all i’m hearing is send indy to mount panorama
@@sethlesliereeves More like Adelaide or The Bend cuz Bathurst is too narrow and too windy for a series like that, as good of a track as it is.
4:12 The problem with the NFL is that it is practically smothering when it's on, for reference, the highest rated sporting event in the US in 2022 which wasn't the NFL was the NCAA Football National Championship in *33rd* with less than a quarter of the viewership despite being on 5 different channels and between two of the biggest and most popular college football teams out there. The NFL is so big in the US that if you're a fan of any sport you're probably also an NFL fan and any sport going up against them is going to lose at least some of those people.
Just to add onto this, I ended up learning to enjoy NFL/NCAA football 5 or 6 years back just because I was working at a new job and everyone there would talk about it or fantasy football. I was the odd duck out for preferring baseball/motorsports instead.
Football is massive in America, and it almost seems like folly to compete against it. Indycars branching outside of the US really needs to be considered again.
I’ve been a nascar fan my whole life but since 2020 I’ve been watching most all Motorsports I can find. My favorite non nascar Motorsport is definitely IndyCar which I have gone to 2 races at Texas Motor Speedway the last two years. Unfortunately, that track is not on the schedule next year which hurts me.
I'll repeat what I said in the original video about the USF championships: They're currently sanctioned by USAC, which works with FloRacing, there is no reason they can't be part of FloRacing's package and get better coverage from it. USAC just won't do it because....well, they're USAC - they're not known for the smartest decisions. Why Anderson Promotions doesn't do it themselves, though, is beyond me.
When it comes to competing with the NFL, while the reasons for the impact aren't obvious to most, it is a very real thing - CART, at its peak, still sometimes struggles to pull 1.0 TV ratings when going up against the NFL. As much as IndyCar fans don't want to admit it, it IS a real concern - Which is why the schedule should be starting EARLIER rather than ending later, thoguh that does cause some headaches(though that idea of a race in Argentina could be used to help with this)
I always wanted at least one race on the schedule that constantly changes every year. Different track every year
Same
It would be awesome if Indy car did some more races outside of America, like that teased event in Argentina
Yeah what ever happened to that? They never said anything about them failing to reach a deal. In fact, they said a deal was 99% completed (very close) in the last update a month before the schedule got released. Then nothing was ever said about it again.
@@benwalter4842new Argentina president is ruining everything, dictatorship took over, shut down airports
@@benwalter4842Well, Argentina just elected some pretty out-there libertarian president (or prime minister or whatever they use) who wants to cut spending on everything, even the stuff everybody agrees is important. A race in another country is only going to happen if someone picks up the tab for the transportation, and it appears the sponsorship money in Argentina won’t be there, so no race.
team radios should and need to be handled better, they can spice things up more, rather than the live radio feed they sometimes have.
My first racing game was indy500, in 1989. As a young European my first contact with American racing. I could only choose between three cars and the only track was Indianapolis, but I loved the game because it was so complete for its time. Many setup options and variables, the possibility to blow up your engine after keeping the car out of the walls for 150 laps and the technical retirements of the opposition. every race i did was different even it were the same 33 cars at the same track. It ran in MS-DOS and I don't have it anymore, but i remember the game and how it made me interested in Indycar forever. If Indycar would bring out a game like this today, with different tracks and car options, it would be a success because of the close racing and tactics. The 1989 game was made by Electronic Arts. Crazy how i still buy games from them after 30 years.
I want Indy to go more international like Canada and Australia used to be Indy/CART races, they could go to Mexico or Argentina since they have drivers from those countries present. They could branch to countries their drivers are from, within limits of logistics and budgets. Plus I love the idea of better/more camera operators.
The Molson Indy Vancouver was killed by rich locals in the false creek area who threw a giant strop over the "inconvenience" the event had on their lives, and when they tried to bring Formula E to vancouver a couple of years ago those same rich assholes shot it down for the same selfish reason, unless a permanent facility is built somewhere in the GVRD (which will never happen because land is way too valuable there and the environmentalists with have a fit about it) racing will likely never return to vancouver.
Calgary's stampede grounds (Stampede Park and The Saddledome) would probably be the only real option in alberta.
The old military runways at Winnipeg's Richardson International Airport could show potential as a venue but the issue there is that its an active airport so getting permission from the city port authority, the provincial/federal governments and the airport itself to essentially shut down 1/3 of the facility would be impossible at best, and a street circuit through downtown would be all but impossible to do because the roads are always a mess since winters there are really harsh.
Montreal's Ille Notre Dame could be a good candidate but the issue there is the fees the owners charge for usage of the venue by series like nascar, imsa and indycar are known for being unreasonably high, there's also the circuit mont trembalnt and Circuit Trois-Riveres but they're both out on the middle of nowhere and they're old so they'd probably need serious modernization to host indy car.
I also don''t see quebec city wanting anything to do with an indycar race because they got burned by F1 in the 70's when they were looking to move the canadian grand prix from mont tremblant and Ille Notre Dame swept in at the 11th hour to steal the race from them.
The only other canadian city I could see possibly hosting an Indycar race would probably be Halifax.
Either on a street circuit through the harbour area of the city or on the decommissioned runways at CFB Shearwater, the issue there is that while there are about 400.000 people living in the greater halifax metro area (within a 2 hour drive of the city) I just don't see it being a draw for racing, especially if you consider the fact that IMSA ran races at the CFB Shearwater in the mid 90's which were such a monumental failure due to low attendance that the contract was canceled two years before it was supposed to end.
@@Hammerhead547 damn didn’t know that, glad I know now lol
6:53: Indy Car signed an agreement with Motorsports Games in 2021 for that company to develop an Indy Car game. Indy Car chose not to renew a prior licensing agreement with iRacing. It turned out to be a bad deal. Motorsport Games turned out to be a blue smoke and mirrors operation that was incapable of delivering on its promises including not delivering on signed agreements with NASCAR and a British touring car series. There were many signs of trouble including continuing push backs on the targeted start of the game ( which was supposed to be in 2022 or 2023) and finally three weeks ago Motorsport Games announced " it was suspending development of the Indy Car game" The company is losing millions of dollars and it is possible it could eventually declare bankruptcy.
The article I saw said that apparently Indy Car gave up control of the licensing agreement to Motorsports as part of the original agreement. Therefore they may face a legal fight with them to regain control before they can seek a replacement provider, such as iRacing.
I didn't see the request for comments on the other video. My number one way that Indy Car can be improved is to get away from NBC. The racing presentation on that network has become unbearable, to the point that except for the Indy 500 I have not watched a race since July 2022.
There are way way too many commercial breaks. And NBC has no qualms about going to a commercial break in the last few minutes of a race, such that they may miss a pass for the lead in the closing stages. A replay of the pass after the commercial IS NOT an acceptable alternative. If a race is under green flag conditions there should NEVER be a commercial break in the last 15 minutes.
When they are out of commercial breaks, there are an inordinate amount of pre recorded features with many instances of the network coming out of a break, showing the feature and then IMMEDIATELY going back to ANOTHER commercial break.
They go into commercial breaks when it is obvious that the pit stop window is opening so that green flag pit stops are missed.
When in racing coverage, the announcers and even the pit reporters too often are shills for network and race team sponsors as well as pitch men for NBC's NASCAR racing telecasts and celebrities in other NBC TV shows. The self promotion is enough to be sickening.
A solution may not be easy as the prior provider ABC/ESPN was just as bad. I don't watch NASCAR so I can't speak to Fox' quality of racing coverage. I don't know if CBS would be interested when the NBC contract expires and streaming services are probably not an option as Indy Car wants the breadth of viewers that only a TV network can provide.
On the NFL side it is less the audience but more the TV scheduling because NFL and College football is so big, on Saturdays you have College games going from midday to midnight and then for NFL you have Sunday night football which still could allow a race to happen but would need to fit around the scheduling again
Imagine the indycar series drives before f1 events like f2 & f3 at least for the american f1 races
What’s funny is that everyone I know only knows F1 and NASCAR, Indycar, IMSA, and WEC haven’t been said so despite what Indycar has done and had. NASCAR is still the dominant US series.
Only hard core racer wec
@@ethanthedamonknightgod4418 Yeah but Le Mans isn’t mentioned. The few very famous races and their governing series aren’t known.
Reading some of the comments here and the ones highlighted in the video. It just confirms the belief that Motorsport fans just wants what sounds good.
More powerful cars, a triple crown, a special event, international races. All of which sound good on paper, but in reality wouldn't help and would probably hinder.
Speaking of improving Indycar, I would like to see a video of your opinions in how WRC could improve as a motorsport series. I've always had a fondness of dirt racing, however there are not many ways you could watch it live unless you have a subscription to WRC Plus which is anything but cheap. Not to mention, the series' lack of manufacturers in the Rally1 programme since 2019 when Citroen left the programme due to the lack of top level prospects at the time. There are potential manufacturers like Skoda, Peugeot, maybe even Subaru return with their newest cars the Fabia, 208 and the WRX. Sadly, with the implementation of the hybrid system, it makes for new manufacturers entering the series difficult and there aren't many ways for them to promote their cars through the media if the series itself is on the declining state of view. I'm all happy for the battles between Toyota, Hyundai and Ford have at the moment, but it could've been something more, something better than that I'm sure.
Come back to Chicagoland Speedway
NASCAR will probably block that to even if like it to happen Indycar going to have buy some of the oval they race at
Do something like this on Supercars for sure. I think its in a similar situation at the moment
On the point of Europeans and the seeming preference for Europeans watching the sport, I feel like a once a year showcase race in Europe at say Lausitzring (which used to host a Champ Car Race) would do wonders for the sport, certainly would bring a lot more attention their way. I understand the logistics may be difficult for them but even with a 3/4 of the cars being able to run it would still be a wonderful event.
I can remember as a kid the IndyCar season starting in March at Surfers Paradise and finishing at Laguna Seca in September. The longer season didn't occur until around 1998 when the Surfers event got moved to October, then had Fontana run after it. I think a lot of people think the September finish to the season is a new thing in the last decade or so but it occurred regularly long before it. In saying that however, finishing around the end of October would be nice to see personally, and losing double header races. Have 17-20 races at that many different venues.
They started at Homestead, ended in Fontana late October, then it ended in November when they added Mexico City to the calendar.
Get rid of the 360 degree onboard cameras, or at least stop them bloody twitching and turning constantly when it isn't necessary.
Id love to see indy car go more international.
Same
I race cars for a living myself. None of the support series for Indycar weekends and F1 weekends are tangible. Here in Canada, if F1 and Indycar are coming to Canada, it's a city street circuit. This means, a track that we don't get to race on in real life.
Why? Why should it be prohibitively expensive (the minimum spend on a car to drive in an Indycar/F1 support series race is often several hundreds of thousands of dollars)
Why? Why can't you slap a roll cage in a road car for only $50,000-$100,000 CAD and run on track with an Indycar/F1 support series?
Why do I need to buy a $350,000 Mercedes Benz AMG GT GT4 or something even more expensive, in order to race on the same tracks as them?
I have no reference point for how fast these Indycars are because every car that I see driven on the tracks here in Canada is always prohibitively expensive.
Fan engagement suffers when the support series are bad. You end up with people being like "ah, forget that boring Porsche Cup, I'm only here for Indycar" and if the IndyCar race isn't spectacular, people will lose interest in the whole thing.
It's not like "well, we've got Toronto streets closed down, let's put a racing series with 50 amateur teams on it and the fans will get to see some exciting racing no matter what"
It ends up being "lock this track behind a paywall, lock admission behind a paywall, what do you mean the fans can't relate to the series?"
Damn, I was with you right up until "more ovals". 😂 Indycars are bloody great machines (more real than F1), but dunno why USAers love turning them left on hard surfaces. Down & dirty ovals with short wheelbases are the biz imo. Australians, don't as a rule, give a single eff about US motor racing. Cheers for a fun video TDR.
Man, I never understood the problem with NFL. Seems like IndyCar can't compete with football, but NASCAR races all october and into november.
The southeast doesn’t have the same connection to pro football that the rest of the country does. It’s big, yes, but college football is bigger, and there was only one southern NFL team until the mid 90’s (Miami and Tampa are not ‘the south’).
I think Indy car needs more engine suppliers like Toyota, Ford, hell even add in Porsche. Just having two engine suppliers in Chevrolet and Honda and call it a manufacturers title is really dull. Honestly, I think having more engine suppliers will spice things up and give teams more options.
David land is the Skip Bayliss of Indycar
American Race Fan here - They also need more tracks. Why dont they come to cota anymore? Look at nascar.. its a massive event every year.
Also genuinely i think the cars are a tad too slow. I think they need to be a bit faster than F2 to be more interesting. They seem too slow outside of Ovals.
Also, lets be honest.. they need a DTS style series to bring race and non race fans in. Especially the stories of what happena during a season. No one knows anything about whats actually going on at Indy so how can people get invested?
Talking about races in Europe, I hear there are a couple of Grade 1 circuits in Germany that might be up for it... Maybe they could even take advantage of having a Spaniard and a couple of Kiwis at the front?
I would love to get into the sport, but I can’t find an cheap and easy way to watch it in the uk, any recommendations. Or am I just being thick
Unless you have a way to illegally stream you have to get sky sports
@@NoContextVideosChannel great ._.
Indy car lost audiences in part, in my estimation, is that in the past there were no consistent drivers lineups...teams were switching out drivers all of the time...the days of Andretti, foyt, Mears, Rutherford etc. ended and so did fanloyalty to the sport! Today is a good rebuild of driver lineup...good recognizability year in and year out. Nascar capitalized on this when Idy was in flux. I think you might add this to your bullet points of improvements.
They need to go back to Australia, Japan, Brazil, and Mexico.
For the game, msg was making a game that would've been released next year but then they cut it, if indycar gets away from msg then iracing can finally go back to streaming indycar events
6:18 i think this point was brought up more than once and for me that's really dumb, i like that Indy and IMSA are not playing with their graphics in a gimmicky way like F1 or WEC do nowadays, where they show way too much stuff in graphics that either don't really matter that much or are straight up made up (looking at you aws)
Holy shit my comment got featured lol
With indy car dk if they are in iracing but that would be alot more helpful
We need to lower the Costs of the cars so more teams get in the races
What are you talking about, costs are 30% lower when adjusted for inflation then they where in 2011, and the field is consistently full with the very real possibility of Pratt & Miller's entry seeing the entry cap raised for 30 for regular races. Costs aren't an issue, it's the fact that Honda, Ilmor and Dallara are struggling to supply enough teams. You'd need another supplier to have a 37th entry for Indianapolis.
@@ZontarDow
ok,so one supplier of chassis and engines,what about Liger and Ford,with a dream schedule like this set.
1:st Petersburg (street track)
2:Barber (road course)
3:long beach (street track)
4:Texas (oval)
5:*Phoenix or Richmond* (oval)
6:Indy GP (road course)
7:Indy 500 (oval)
8:road america (road course)
9:*Pocono* (oval)
10:gateway (oval)
11:4th of July in mid Ohio (road course)
12:watkins glen (road course)
13:Texas (oval)
14:Kansas (oval)
15:laguna seca (road course)
16:Iowa (oval)
17:Nashville GP (street circuit)
18:and maybe the most craziest and maybe the worst idea ever (street circuit)Vegas GP.
a better way to end the season with a bet and do the same thing that they did in 2012 Vegas race,and put 32 guys in sin city for the win,all drivers that are not part of the IndyCar season and win the race,could win a bonus of 5 million dollar prize.
@@joseangelgutierrez8122 multimatic would make more sense, especially if you wanted Ford as a supplier, but realistically Ford if they did come back to Indy would be slapping their name on the Cosworth Indy engine that's been in storage since 2013.
@@ZontarDow
Ok,multimatic
The Football hit is real, but I think it's a non issue because you could have 20 race weekends plus Indy qualifying weekend, with a weekend off for teams to go to Le Mans and Sebring within the existing calendar without issue due to how many breaks there are. And that's not me calling for that to happen, I think 16 race weekends works just fine, it's just to demonstrate that it is possible and that it's perfectly logical for the race series that's 3rd in American motorsports which is itself a category that's 3rd behind American rules football and baseball to want to prioritise having its limited number of races be during a time they're more likely to get on broadcast then cable, which has a significant effect on viewership numbers. The only way we're getting IndyCar during football season would be if The CW licenced it and was confident enough that using it as a competitor against the football on other networks was worth it since they currently have only golf slated to do that and that won't be doing it every weekend.
Honestly I think they need more races
At least more races like NASCARs Clash, or the Chicago/ Vegas street races.
@@lucastraman706 You mean like Nashville? Personally I think that IndyCar letting NASCAR grab Montreal's second permitted race weekend was a spectacular failure on their part.
So, the thing with Indycar is that they don’t want to spend their own money if they can’t get someone else to spend theirs. Except for the Indy 500, I believe every other race is promoted and paid for by someone else, and Indycar isn’t really interested in spending their own money to promote a new race at the moment. It is the same with international races; they won’t happen unless someone else covers the transportation.
Roger Penske didn’t become a billionaire by spending his own money, so unless Indycar decides it absolutely has to, they won’t be the ones putting on a race at a new track themselves any time soon.
Indycar management is a real problem.
-get rid of restrictive engine rules
-more horsepower, and slightly less downforce 850-900hp, 2 element front and rear wings max.
-go back to vent/slotted steel brakes, carbon brakes are wasteful
-1 more Canadian race, 1 race in Mexico or South America
-1 or 2 races in Europe. Brands Hatch and Anderstorp IMO, w/ national series.
-1 race in Australia w/ Supercars series
More frickin superspeedways! Why are we racing street circuits in markets that have great ovals? Detroit and Nashville in particular
Due to attendance
Yeah, but that’s because they promote the street races way harder than the ovals. If a race at MIS got the same local promotion the street race gets, you’d get the same turnout.
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My unpopular opinion is: indycar has to do something about fuel saving.
What we have is some of the raciest, driver challenging cars on the planet all running around at 70% of their capacity to try and save more fuel than the rest of the field.
That doesn't make for exciting racing and about 2/3rds of the season end up being fuel saving racing
Hardcore fans might appreciate the strategy of professional racing, but it does nothing to attract new fans
Hell F1 went to Vegas and actually put on a race full of overtaking and their cars are much harder to pass with than an indycar.....
Indycar has better cars for overtime and they use the pits to pass more often than not.
This is not entertainment!
I didn't comment on the original, but here are a few things from me:
1. More venues - IndyCar next year has 17 races, the same as 5 years ago, in 2018. The difference is, in 2018, they were spread across 16 different venues (only Detroit was a doubleheader). Next year, they're spread over 13. This for me is inexcusable when circuits like Road Atlanta, Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Miller Motorsports Park etc etc exist (I understand why they don't want to race at COTA for F1 comparisons).
2. Longer season - I agree with others, finishing in September is a weird call, especially when IMSA, NASCAR and NHRA all continue to October and November. 20 races across 9 months (February to November) would be perfect.
3. A special race - NASCAR has the All Star, NHRA has the All Star Callout, why can't IndyCar have something similar? I don't count the Thermal Club because as far as I can work out, its members only so no spectators would be allowed.
4. Get rid of Detroit and IMS Road Course - Detroit is not suitable for IndyCar, and IMS is the dullest road course of the season.
5. Race in another North American country - I understand why IndyCar don't want to venture outside North America. NASCAR don't, IMSA don't, NHRA don't. But a special race in Mexico, Barbados, Bahamas, Hawaii wouldn't be a stretch. And would 100% add to IndyCar's special race appeal.
Agree with most points, including getting rid of the IMS road course. The exception is that I think Detroit should stay. However, they should either change the layout of the circuit to make it more exciting, or go back to the Belle Island circuit. I also understand that they do not want to compete with the NFL. However, they defiantly have plenty of room during the season to add a few more races, and expand the schedule. In fact, they could easily add a race, or two, to fill in the schedule gap between the first and second races of the season, since that gap always seems completely pointless. They could easily fill the gap in with new venues, as I too like a more diverse schedule every year. They will defiantly have more international races at some point in the near future. It is not a matter of if, but when they will do it. I personally do not care for a special non-points race, but that is just my opinion of course.
Nascar has a European series, euro nascar. Indycar could try something similar at first before fully expanding over there. To test the waters
Back in 2000 CART actually planned a huge season ending event in Honolulu for 2001, it was supposed to have been the indycar season finale with a $1.000.000 prize that was to be accompanied by a special invitational event featuring past Indycar/F1 champions/indy 500 winners racing for charity.
It ended up falling through because of logistical problems and lack of interest/opposition from the locals.
Isn’t INDYCAR switching to hybrid engines for this year? “The RACER channel” has a video of them testing. And I’m pretty sure they don’t need starters so no more cautions for stalled cars.
I'm a Nascar fan, and one thing I would love is more joint weekends, especially on ovals. Indy was weird because of the history with Nascar fans, most never supported the Indy road course. A Iowa joint weekend will be far more positive, especially since NASCAR fans have been dying for Iowa and now that we have it, throwing it with Indy car will add more. Also no video game is FAR better than a shit game.....
The rating tank from motor went comes to NFL big spot in us.
Rather front half pack with races the then back half
Oval have a problem it called NASCAR blocking rights to races their. And yes they do this homestead and Texas.
I fine season finish when does.
Indycar should attempt a race at Montreal. At the same track as f1. Get Indycar out there maybe before or after F1. It would be getting indy into the Canadian Market who already are used to open wheelers racing. Plus it wouldn't require building a new track or a big commitment. The infrastructure is already mostly there.
I'm going to say the same thing I did in the last video.
Qualifying on road and street courses should be single car runs. Your starting position in the race is very important. If one car crashes, it could mess up qualifying for many other drivers. That is just not fair to the other drivers who had to abandon their fast laps and potentially start in the back because of it. Also the knockout format is just not necessary. It often leads to drivers advancing and then setting slower times than the drivers who didn't advance.
Need more 500 mile races on the Indycar schedule and race at tracks like Michigan Speedway, Pocono, and Charlotte motorspeedway.
They're not going back to Pocono.
I do agree with you, however Pocono and Charlotte are not the tracks to go back to
Pocono is only an option once it gets a repave and its barriers get brought up to current standards. The series also showed that if a return to Charlotte happens it'll be on the roval rather then oval. Michigan would be nice though.
They could also add 3 "500 Mile Challenge" (500 Miles/3 Hour time Limit) events at road courses like Mid-Ohio, Road America and Watkins Glen alongside the old "Indycar Triple Crown" (Indy 500 and two other 500 mile oval races) and have a special purse (say $5.000.000) for the driver that wins the majority (5/6)/all of those events.
Point for point you were mostly spot on, and thank you for posting Indycar content, been my thing since I was a knee high and so badly rooting for the series to take the next step forward and succeed, need more people like yourself shedding light on this gem of a series.
For the USF Championship, surely they could get film students from local collages / universities in to film
4:10 there is overlap between Indycar and nfl fans for the simple fact every single Indycar race is held in a state that has an nfl team except for 3 and the 3 that don’t have nfl teams have college football teams, the reason why Indycar and even nascar just cannot compete with the nfl is because it truly is gigantic, everyone watches at least one game and when it’s Sunday it is when the races are on there’s football from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep, that’s why even nascar which is much more popular than Indycar has its rating completely drop as soon as the nfl season starts
I think they need to go back to being an international series again
They Need a new chassies,eyes wants a part too❤
One thing I hope about IndyCar is a new chassis after 2026, hopefully between that and 2028. Yes, the IR-12/DW-12 is quite a modular chassis and has gone through numerous updates and aerokits over the past decade and change. And this is where they can finally put a 900 hp engine (they did test a 900 hp 2.4 V6 in early 2022 which was designed to fit in the current chassis) and a more dedicated hybrid system. Right now, they dropped the 2.4 in favor of the hybrid system which is designed to fit in the bell housing of the gearbox so it doesn't actually require modification whatsoever, and is currently being tested.
I personally can't wait for the supercapacitor-based hybrid system in action. It will be replacing the push-to-pass system and whispers are that drivers are allowed to deploy any time they want so long they have energy and harvesting is up to the teams--and that is unlimited as well. Will Power noted in a video by RACER of how the hybrid system makes the engine braking felt more like the old pre-2012 V8s off throttle, so we can be excited about what the hybrid will bring to the racing. Being a supercap system, it won't hold as much energy as batteries like they do in F1 or even WEC, but the unlimited harvesting should make up for that.
I am in favor of having a transition period between chassis where you can be allowed to run the old chassis for a while when others are using the new chassis and do a sort of balance of performance thing. This is due to cost--the DW-12 chassis is being mass produced by Dallara which costs around $350,000-ish which is comparatively cheap, so even a small outfit can run it.