How Fast Would Formula 1 Go at the Indy 500? British Father and Son Reacts!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- OB Daz and Aidan reacts to the differences between F1 and Indycar and who would win.
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I like the fact that Indycar drivers are truly competing against other drivers, not a having the introduced factor of a company’s budget competing against other companies’ budgets.
That's a fair point. On the other hand F1 teams value the constructors championship more than the driver's title. Which makes sense from their competing standpoint and also as a brand in and off F1.
@@tyronevaldez-kruger5313 Totally understandable. I am glad they both exist. I never would say it’s bad to have budgets compete. It’s not a matter of better or worse, just different.
@@MlTCH Yeah. I got your point tho and didn't assume you were against competing budget. Like all who love exciting sports I put the Indycar drivers competition over the F1 too. I'll always prefer to watch the F1 tho till I die from boredom LOL
According to many of the F1 drivers who’ve moved to Indycar, one of the most difficult adjustments is driving in traffic and dirty air. It’s common to see cars go 3- or even 4-wide in the straights and 2-wide on the turns (3-wide in the turns is a recipe for disaster). Much of F1 driving is nearly single file with only occasional passing. The 2023 Indy 500 had 52 lead changes, at least 11 different drivers led at least one lap, and the difference from 1st place to 2nd place at the finish was .0974 seconds … after 500 miles. On almost every lap, cars throughout the field are passing (or being passed).
Another key difference is pit stops. First, the number of crew members allowed to work on the car is much lower than F1 and the cars must be refueled. Further, oftentimes many, many cars are putting at the same time. Accidents in the pit lane are not uncommon.
Finally, oval racing is more like a narrow street circuit in that there is no outside runoff area (just a wall) and the cars are trying to use as much of the track as possible without hitting the wall. Look at camera views of cars coming out of Turn 2 and Turn 4 at Indy and you’ll see that they often come within inches of the wall.
Disclosure: I live in a suburb of Indy and have only missed 3 (4?) Indy 500s since 1971. I also went to all of the F1 races at Indy.
Also, since 2000, the only former F1 drivers to win Indy are:
Juan Pablo Montoya (he also won before going to F1)
Takuma Sato
Marcus Ericcson
Neither Mansell nor Alonso has won the 500.
I went to the 2022 Indy 500. Absolutely crazy how many people were there. To put into in perspective:
American Football stadium can hold about 100,000 people.
Silverstone held about 160,000 people on race day in 2022. They had 480,000 people visit the track throughout the entire weekend.
The Indy 500, just on race day in 2022, had about 325,000 people at the track all at the same time.
NASCAR used to be WAY more popular, but recently they’ve indycar is almost level. The rise of interest in F1 helped, because many fans can’t make/afford the F1 races, so they turned to indycar, which is similar and has ex F1 drivers, and began to fall for the sport.
Furthermore, Indy is a lot more close, since it’s spec cars and the drivers don’t even have power steering, so the racing is all on the driver and the pit crew, fighting for every second.
The Indy 500 is also immensely popular because it’s part of the motor racing triple crown, along with Monaco and Le Mans, and the triple crown hasn’t been won in almost 50 years by a race car driver. Alonso tried it during his break, but had engine troubles. Most predict that when max retires from F1, he’ll be the most likely to accomplish it.
NASCAR is still way more popular than IndyCar. NASCAR averaged 3.7 million viewers per race through the first half of the 2023 season, but IndyCar only averaged 1.72 million. F1 averaged even less in the U.S.
I don’t think Max Verstappen will go for the triple crown. He most likely wil win Le Mans, but he has said that oval racing is too risky for him
@@claytondurst4075and if you include international fans with that? I’d imagine that Indycar is more popular outside the US than NASCAR
@@Fons.s NASCAR has series that run in South America and Europe, so I would say NASCAR has at least a decent following outside of the U.S.
NASCAR is still way more popular than indycar, and i love both.
I live about an hour away from the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The Indy 500 is 200 laps on a 2.5 mile track. The race lasts about three hours. When the cars qualify for the race they run four laps alone on the track. They average about 235 mph each lap. During the race they average around 220 mph. The Indy 500 is the biggest single day sporting event in the world. Attendance is about 300k people. NASCAR is not as popular as it was ten or 20 years ago. IndyCar is getting closer in attendance to NASCAR. But racing as a whole is nowhere close to as popular in the US as other major league sports.
Bristol Motor Speedway in Tennessee -- a proper stadium around a 0.5 mile oval and a football field in the middle -- over 155K seats.
Such a proper stadium they had a football game in it.
NASCAR is more popular due to the 1996 CART/IRL split. IndyCar was so popular it rivaled F1 back then but 1 guy fucked it up and IndyCar has been in the shadows for almost 3 decades because of it.
IndyCar and F1 drivers are kind of interchangeable. Indy cars are harder to drive due to
lack of driver aids and power steering that is present in F1. Everyone that has driven both have confirmed it.
Alex Palou, who is the championship leader in IndyCar is also McLaren's reserve driver so yeah they can race in both provided the driver has a Superlicense. Lack of a Superlicense is what kept Colton Herta out of F1 this year as he was all but signed by Alpha Tauri in the seat that eventually went to de Vries.
Something not mentioned in this video is that IndyCars are designed "fat" to
withstand a 250 mph wall hit. F1 cars are obviously not so something like Mercedes minimal side pods would not be something id not want running 240 plus around Indy...
grosjean, the one who went through the barrier and walked out of fire transitioned to Indy racing
There is no slowing down at oval tracks, pedal to the floor from flag to flag
Yeah thats a whole lotta false there. This isnt early 2000s era IRL where thats all they had to do. Cars are wayyyy more difficult to drive these days on an oval
I follow F1 and Indy car for me the biggest difference is F1 is all about racing he manufactures and Indy car is much more about the drivers. I don’t do NASCAR
you should react to the 2023 indy 500 highlights it was a unreal race
In addition to Alonso's run at Indy, numerous other F1 drivers have/are running in Indycar. This year's race included former F1 drivers Romain Grosjean, Alexander Rossi, Marcus Ericsson, Takuma Sato, In addition, both Pato O'Ward and Alex Palou race in Indy and are expected to get some FP1 seat time in F1 this year.
NASCAR is definitely the more popular series in America as their typical race gets at least twice the number of viewers as a typical IndyCar race. NASCAR's biggest race, the Daytona 500, also has a much bigger TV audience than the Indy 500, although the Indy500 does have a higher spectator capacity at the track. Even though NASCAR stock cars look and drive so much different than either IndyCars or Formula One cars, F1 drivers have come to NASCAR as well in the last year or two including Kimi, Jenson Button, and Daniil Kvyat.
The 2023 Indianapolis 500 was the 107th edition of the race. The first was run in 1911, with the race non run in 1917 & 1918 (due to US entry in World War 1), then again 1942-1945 (due to US entry in World War 2). Indy car racing was more popular than NASCAR until the 1980s and 1990s, when NASCAR caught and surpassed Indy Car racing in popularity. Also Indy cars and F1 cars were completely different from each other until the mid-1960's when F!-style cars began competing as Indianapolis. Keep in mind that at Indianapolis, the cars are averaging 230 mph plus each lap, with sustained speeds of 220 mph plus. Another difference between Indy Car and F1 is the fuel used. FI cars use high octane unleaded gasoline, while Indy Cars use methanol.
Speaking of Nigel Mansell, the guy you just watched host is his son Scott
So glad you’re doing Indy car. 😊
NASCAR is still a lot more popular than indaycar, but it's closer than it was 15 years ago, and now both motorsports are in improving positions - a lot of talent, a lot of great racing.
As for the circuits, one great 'stadium' circuit to check out would be Bristol Motor Speedway. It is a literal stadium for a NASCAR race and it's fucking amazing - it's nicknamed "thunder valley" and "the last great coliseum"
This whole video is basically just saying that if you changed everything about an F1 car it could be faster around an oval than an Indy car. Well sure, and if you changed things about an Indy car it could be even faster around the oval too.
Nascar is by far the biggest sport watched in the US. The only thing they need is something like Drive to Survive to help with the popularity. Nascar and Indycar give a way better racing experience than watching Redbull win every F1 race. Daytona 500 is the Superbowl for Nascar and Indy is the Superbowl for Indy to sum it up. Many people would much rather have a win in one of those races than have a championship in the respective sport. F1 is way more technical with electronic side of things. Indy and Nascar have more drivers and more competition. Especially with how Indy is setup but also with the new next gen car for nascar the cars are so much more similar to each other and you never know who might win.
Only us here in the Us would rather win the Daytona 500 than any other race in Motorsport
That’s why Lemans, the 500 and Monaco are the triple crown of Motorsports and it’s been like that for years, yes Monaco is impossible to pass, but the level of precision, skills and concentration needed to drive an F1 car there in qualifying and for 78 laps is an insane thing.
NASCAR is not even close to the most watched sport in the US!! The NFL blows every other sport away. The Super Bowl gets over 100 million viewers! Moron!
@@blakerhno need to be disrespectful man, I just shared an opinion based on your comment, and now you mentioned the NFL when it has nothing to do with my comment you little clown! Don’t type so hard on your keyboard you might brake it. Internet warrior!
Get Aidan some Denim shorts, a Golf shirt, and some New Balance 624's and then he'll be ready to drive that Corvette. 👍🏻
Indy 500 is a race, IndyCar is the race series.
So he's saying if they turn a f1 car into a Indy car it would beat it in a oval. Got it.
The F1 KERS system used for aided overtaking is pretty great.
In 1996 Tony George, the owner of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, effectively killed open wheel racing in the US. Up until this time CART/Champ Cars were very close to F1 levels. Nigel came over to racy Indy cars after Williams gave his seat to David Coulthard. He was the current F1 champion and signed on with a powerful Newman/Haas Racing. He teamed with Mario Andretti who was also an F1 champion as well as a CART champion. Nigel managed to win the championship in his first year, edging out Emerson Fittipaldi. In his first Indy 500 he placed third and managed to finish the race after hitting/scrapping the wall with 8 laps to go.
Another aspect that hurt the popularity of Indy Car racing was its takeover by the road racing set. Once, you made your way to a seat in an Indy Car by working your way through US open wheel racing on dirt tracks (sprint cars), but that isn't the case any longer. Virtually all open wheel racers in America, those who race dirt sprints and champ cars, wind up in NASCAR today, rather than Indy Car. Your grassroots American racing fan doesn't know who all the foreign road racers are that currently race Indy Cars, and the attendance and tv viewership numbers bear that out. What Tony George tried to do was return Indy Car racing to its traditional and historic roots in American oval track racing.
Indianapolis motor speedway isn't an oval, it has 4 corners.
You guys should check out the Baja 1000
IndyCar used to be more popular than NASCAR way back before I was born, but then they splintered apart into two competing series for a decade and lost out on superstar talent like Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart, who ended up going the NASCAR route. NASCAR grew from a regional sport into America's most popular motorsport discipline in the 2000s. I think they were the second most popular professional sporting league behind only the NFL at one point, but they too have been in decline since then. Now it seems like they're throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, while F1 is seeing a surge in popularity in the US that most people attribute to Netflix. The Indy 500 still attracts huge crowds, but outside of that headlining event the series never really fully recovered to its former glory.
For a closer look at what the American motorsport scene looked like when I was growing up, there's a RUclips channel called nascarman History where the creator made some really nice nostalgia edits of NASCAR, IndyCar, and the now-defunct Champ Car World Series in the 2000s.
I was so surprised to learn how tiny the engines are in Indy cars. I used to watch the race every year & I always assumed they had 7 or 8 liter V-8 or V-12 engines making over 1,500 horsepower. A Tesla Model S makes more hp than an Indy car. Or a Dodge Challenger SRT.
Growing up... Indy car was way more popular. Then in the late 80s early 90s, NASCAR started to get huge. In recent years, they're pretty close. Even so... the Indy 500 is one of those events that even non-racing fans tune in for.
Everything is possible, but not everything is plausible.
If you want to see a stadium built around a track then check out Bristol Motor Speedway aka the last great coliseum
ruclips.net/video/2uw9LskyGao/видео.html
up until about late 1990's Indycar was far more popular with NASCAR being more of Southern state sport. from the 2000's NASCAR gradually became more popular and is more popular overall today though the Indy 500 is still the biggest race in the country .
F1 at Vegas later this year.
Oh and Alonso attempted the Indy 500 3 times.
Once he was pretty good until
his engine blew.
2nd time he crashed in practice and ruined his primary car and the backup was too slow to even make the race. So he didnt even qualify and went home.
3rd time he again crashed his primary and the backup wasnt great but he made the race and was a backmarker all day and finished in the 20s.
He hasnt tried since.
Ex F1 driver Marcus Ericsson won the Indy 500 in 2022 and finished 2nd this year. He's really become good on ovals.
Just pretty good, dude had only 5 days of practice and due to a boost issue he qualified 7th, easily could of been a top 5 qualifier IN HIS FIRTST Indy! As well as leading 27 laps and being in the fight for most part of the race. I’d says that’s more than “pretty good”
@Alo1488 To be fair, those Andretti cars were really good that race amd we have no idea what he would have done cuz all those laps he lead were uncontested cuz he had no idea that you dont want to lead the race until the very end thays why you see with teammates up front they switch the lead for fuel mileage reasons and he was up there using more fuel than anyone.
Noone really starts racing in the race until the last 20 laps so I think the sudden burst of uber aggressiveness would have really caught him off guard....especially with guys like Helio and Sato up front with years of experience
@@Posirepim putting emphasis on his race craft skills here, dude can drive the wheels off of anything he had no real preparation before this race ( timeframe wise) which is not really a race he can easily transition too because is a whole different game considering is an Oval ( not saying the oval is easy ) I’m speaking in the sense of the differences in dynamics and the way it races, also on a car fairly new to him with an entirely different behavior.
he did indy 500 twice
@@williamlambert Tries 3 times. Failed to qualify the 2nd time.
I miss the CART series
The Indianapolis 500 is the largest sporting event in the world....If you guys ever make it to the 500, hit me up....I've been to every 500 since 1977
Biggest live crowd for a one day event?
Yes, largest one day sporting event by attendance. About 300k people go to the race. But doesn't come close to the big four American sports on TV.
NASCAR is much more popular than Indycar. Especially in America. The Indy 500 is the biggest racing event in America because of the history and all of the other events that happen for that month
Nascar is still the most popular out of the various different race "leagues" but not as much as it used to be.
Nascar is still far more popular than Indycar however due to F1s recent rise in the US all motorsports have seen a boost with indycar seeing a bigger one than nascar due to how similar from the outside the series are. Nascar rules are far different than F1 so a new F1 fan would find it harder to understand nascar than indycar
Also bristol motor speedway is basically a stadium built around a racetrack as discussed 8:25
You need to react to some NTT IndyCar series!
Road courses or street races , Nashville street race is this weekend!
Way more competitive and equal field than F1…
juan pablo montoya did f1 and then raced indycar
Indy Cars are currently more competitive between the top 10 drivers , Formula One Max Verstappen is dominating every race.
NASCAR is much bigger now, back in the late 90's Indy was more popular but soon after they fractured to Indycar, champ car and CART while NASCAR didn't have any competition.
CART racing was absolutely nuts.
NASCAR was way more popular in the 90s and 2000s. Their attendance is pitiful now. They can't even get 50k people to attend most races.
so the accent and the results tells me he is a little bias for the European racing. basically to answer the question could F1 win at indy the cut and dry answer is NO. but, his conclusion is F1 has enough money and the teams are use to over coming unbeatable odds so he bets they could pull it out of their asses if need be. so they win even if lose, brilliant
Nascar is definitely king in terms of racing.
The Dayton 500 and Talladega 500 tracks have banking in the turns at 33 degrees. These are the fastest tracks for NASCAR. IndyCar tracks dont have that much banking. The Indy 500 track has about 9 degrees of banking.
IndyCar races at Texas and I think it has 36 degrees of banking and they go faster at Texas than NASCAR does at Talladega
Texas Speedway has 20 degrees banking. If IndyCar raced on a 30 degree track it would be too dangerous. Talladega is 33 degrees. You can google it.
The racing in Indycar is way way better and more exciting then F1 is.. F1 is all about who has the most money, so there is no fairness pretty much. Especially for the bottom team in the top teams. What a difference! Indycar, everybody is basically equal the cars have the same things pretty much. Just watch the races. They are way more exciting. It starts to make you sick when Europeans get mad at contact in Formula 1 and in the car can tap in touch each other, and nobody freaks out and obviously the same thing with NASCAR.. the bumping and rubbing is awesome. It makes the races way better. Then you go back to watching Formula One and other European races.. they suck the fun out of it with the complaining and crying about how physical others can be.. wah wah wah.
Now you need to follow up this video with his video on the NASCAR Camaro ZL1 that competed in LeMans this year.
I am sorry, but F1 is so boring. It's almost as if the results of the race are determined at the beginning. I am not a race fan, but if I had to choose, I would pick Indy because it seems faster paced and tighter competition.
NASCAR probably the best tbh, I’m not a race fan either.
NASCAR is more popular than Indy.. coming from someone who doesn’t really watch racing much though.
The only thing fun about formula 1 is the 1st lap and the last lap ...between is boring😴😴😴😴😴
Lol no they couldn’t because it’s against the rules
For me it is Nascar ,then Indy.
F1 drivers would not know what to do when you have to pit more than zero times