A Conversation with Jesse Singal (Episode
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2021
- In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Jesse Singal about a variety of controversial topics.
Released: May 21, 2021
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Let’s see if they say “lot to unpack here “
please do, luggage has been sitting there packed up.
I'd hate to be Sam's removalist
Saying left or right is a generalization we need to get away from when describing differences, it just breeds anger and seperation.
Agreed!
Agree .. there’s too many of us that aren’t right in the center
Spoken like a true lefty
/s
Sam, your comments from 18:00 - 25:00 are absolutely spot on. You phrased it beautifully.
When I was between 11 and 12 I almost wanted to be a boy because girls were so different. All my friends were boys. I didn't play with dolls. I didn't relate to other little girls. I didn't EVER want to were a dress. I LOVED waking up in the morning and grabbing my dirt bike and heading for the trails. I fought with boys and girls. I was bullied because I was small, but then the bully usually paid the price of losing a quick fight. I definitely knew I was what was called a Tomboy, but back then gay and lesbian was VERY taboo so I was never called a lesbian. However, I wasn't sexual. I mentally seemed to be asexual; I just related more with boys. I was a pretty girl. The boys I played with would always eventually try to kiss me but I'd punch them hard, and threatened my friendship which usually resolved the problem.
In today's society, my parents and friends may have thought I was lesbian. I even questioned my own reality because I was so different than the other girls. I felt almost jealous and sometimes inadequate of other girls. It was so confusing. By the time I was 14 I decided to work out daily to take control of my body and mind and by the time was 16 I'd worked most of my issues that were mounting due to not fitting in to society's standards of how a girl should act and be like. I decided to be myself and do what I liked because the more I interacted with people, the more I learned that people could not be trusted. I also learned early on to never be a coward.
I think maybe I was born with extra testosterone (no I don't have a big clit or anything like that) because of my boy like preferences but by the time I was 16 I began to be very attracted to masculine muscular males.
I was addicted to working out and looked ultra feminine by the time I was 18/19 (large breast/ small waist/ rounded hips and butt)
I later in life gave birth to 4 amazing boys who grew up to be kind, courageous and amazing men.
Moral of my story is THANK GOD NO ONE made me believe that because I acted like a boy therefore I may need to be a boy. I'm sure I could've been convinced that I should be a boy if someone had told me at 11-14 that my problems would be solved if I'd just change my gender.
That's an important post.
@@60-second-HACKS It's so important to let children express themselves and take gender sexuality out of the conversation and realm of possibilities. Humans are complex beings and express themselves differently for a reason.
Due to my experience I truly think that gender transformation should not be considered until early 20s.
There is a difference between being accepting of Trans, and actively trying to convince people of their sexuality.
@@CreatureColossus I agree. But what seems apparent is that some parents are pressuring their child's transgenderism due to society's new social gender categories. Like as soon as little "Johnny" seems too feminine or little "Lucy" seems too masculine there's a rush to see a specialist doctor who's now treating for gender specific orientations.
Thank God this wasn't the case when I was growing up, because my mother, who was ultra liberal and always abreast of the latest and greatest in social sciences would've sent me to the best Trans doctor she could find 😂😫.
In my humble opinion, I think children should be not be considered for transitioning. I think if by the time a person is past their hormonal and physical metamorphosis ( approximately 16-18 women and 18-21 men ) and that person still feels like their supposed be the opposite sex then I think a they can seriously start considering such a change.
P.S. I think there's too much emphasis on SEX and sexual orientation. I don't miss not ever wanting to play with dolls. I don't miss not liking the color pink nor wanting frilly sparkling things as a little girl. I cherish all my boyish endeavors as a child, and I am VERY happy to have experienced it ALL as a girl.
@@virtuosa69 I've heard that hormone blockers are reversible, and your body will catch up quickly once you are off of them. Is that not true?
Sam "bit of house cleaning today" Harris
Does anyone know what' the music he uses in the intro?!!
The image used for this video gave me PTSD.
_this_ _is_ _why_ _I_ _said_ _we_ _need_ _sleeves_ _separating_ _each_ _set_ _of_ _colors,_ _Jim!_
My two favorite podcasts finally together!!
I can't seem to find a jesse singal podcast. Did you mean 'podcasters' or podcasts which you typed, if so what is your other favorite podcast? If not then where can I check out Jesse's podcast?
@@ZippyLeroux I did mean podcasters yes, if you add Katie in there. He co-hosts "Blocked & Reported" with Katie Herzog.
@@hankhillsdisappointedsigh thanks!
The human race needs to be focusing less on gender, not more. Gender matters about as much as your hair color when it comes to important things in life.
I would argue that applies to all identity. It seems young people today are shutting themselves off from being able to empathize with anyone who is not in their own identity category. It is reducing our collective empathy rather than expanding it.
@@theshrubberer no need to argue it, I fully agree :)
@@jimothysimpson7473 wasn’t arguing though i used that word rhetorically ...just adding , cheers
@@theshrubberer oh I see :D
Yeah nationality, gay, straight, etc. All irrelevant
the science of disagreement. so rad.
Thank you Sam.
@20:25, distractions seem to arise when inequality is seriously regarded. Divide and conquer.
This was a good conversation. It is impossible to have a nuanced conversation anymore. And like in politics, without the nuance, it’s just uncompromising war.
42:00 there is no "reverse". It is revenge racism.
he could of just said racism. lol overall sam is on another level speaking than me.
There is only racism. No such thing as "reverse" unless you hate your own race? 😂
Racism
Is racism.. no such thing as reverse racism
Sam , plz do onboard Paul Wallis(author of Escape from eden )..
DAVE RUBIN ALERT - 31:00
it feels good to be in the first 5000 on youtube for my favourite shit on youtube shows
Sam should call The Trans Atlantic Call in Show
At first glance, I thought the guest's last name was "Signal," which considering the thumbnail made sense (no pun intended)
Sam loved your podcast @ Lex!
How long before he says wheel
House
ok, i'll stay up
😔
People need to stop trying to attach themselves to useless labels. Once you throw a political label on someone, you can lump them in with a ton of positions with which they might not actually agree. Just judge someone in the positions they hold rather than trying to lump them into a group. It takes more effort, but it's worth it in the end for the betterment of discourse and social functioning.
If you like Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson commentary, check out the introduction to a new book, Wrestling with God! The intro is titled "Jordan and Sam" and discusses a lot of their seperate ideas, and debates from 2018.
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The beginning statement concretes these journalist with a job for their horrific efforts. Every business eventually dies. This would include the ny times and other entities for various reasons. The people have already decided and these entities currently depend on philanthropy.
Hi friend. Small thing. But is concrete a verb?
@@skonther0ck i thought that would p off the English majors. Be >
I strongly disagree to disagree
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20:21 - Sam is implying that the level of attention on trans issues is overblown in comparison to the actual percentage of people that identify as part of the trans community. But just because it's an issue that affects a smaller amount of people doesn't necessarily mean it deserves less attention. Just because there are less Native Americans in the US than there are Hispanics does that make racial inequality of Hispanics more important than racial inequality of Native Americans? I would say no.
Sam I want to make an argument against your conclusion on free will. How can I send you an email?
make it here
@@charlierode1214 Dont think he reads the comments.
@@kevinc402 You petitioned him in the comments... Regardless, if it's a good argument, it will gain traction here and have a better chance of catching his attention.
I miss ham sarris
I miss harr samis
I don’t miss lame jokes
Quo harris?
Existence is infinite and so there must be infinite forms of life out there. Defining life and what is animate versus inanimate due to the relative perception of timescales, events in relation to other events, rates of communication, rates of evolution, and the modes of travel for other forms of life is difficult because life must exist on numerous infinitesimal scales and numerous macro scales in relation to limited and asymmetrical sensory organs, cognition, and communicative organs of humanity. There could just as easily be behemoths so huge that they dwarf our universe or civilizations existing on scales so small that we can't perceive them or only limited aspects of them. Humanity could easily mistake an entire alien civilization to be a slow moving unconscious geological structure that is slowly changing/evolving and vice versa. Forms of life could be moving and evolving on evolutionary timescales so fast in relation to people that even attempting to communicate with them or understand them would be ridiculous; like trying to fully appreciate some rare cosmic flash of lightning while using the wrong sensory organs. A honey bee can perceive uv light reflections on the petals of flowers while people can't naturally perceive them. Who is perceiving the "flower?" Or is the flower not a static object and is actually flowing and should be given a new identifier every few seconds in order to update the lifecycle changes? Is calling a flower a "flower" for the duration of its entire life a vast understatement of the complexities taking place in the organism? A housefly perceives a river flowing at a different rate than how people perceive the flow of a river and have entirely different and asymmetrical perceptions of time and of how lifeforms are behaving because of differences in sensory organs and cognition and speeds of travel. If a housefly and a person couldn't agree on how time works then just how ludicrous is it to assume that an alien lifeform would even begin to be able to communicate with us? How would we find common ground to even begin thinking about communication or mutual understanding? So if a lion could speak a human language and we still couldn't understand the lion because of a lack of common translatable frames of reference and then you expand that principle by many degrees when dealing with any alien life that we could detect in a way that wasn't fragmentary and fleeting at best (like as a shimmer or some mysterious ripple perhaps).....and then you throw in completely bizarre asymmetries and rates of evolution and communication and potentially either extremely rapid or extremely slow communicative evolutions on their part then......suddenly the clichés in Hollywood sci fi become clear.
@Echoplex Media It isn't word salad. It's impromptu flow of consciousness in the James Joyce and Jack Kerouac style. You don't understand it because you haven't studied nonlinear math, Benoit Mandelbrot, Wittgenstein, or evolution. You should study asymmetries in sensory organs, inherent flaws in finite sensory organs, and Wittgenstein before you try to impress me with memer two word remarks. Go ahead and tell me what you think about what possible alien civilizations look like.
@@SandwichAccount You shouldn't take it so personally when you unleash a massive avalanche of not-well-organized information, and somebody says, "word salad".
If you have a point, and somebody misses it, it's not always their fault that they don't study the same hobbies that you do. If you have a point, and somebody misses it, maybe find another way to elucidate your point. Name dropping is a rookie move, and it made you look like a jackass.
@@EKDupre Name dropping isn't a rookie move. I listed people that they can google and learn about. If they have time to comment on RUclips then they have time to expand their horizons.
@@EKDupre When people comment I assume that it is an opening salvo in a debate if they are being aggressive or critical. If people don't want a response then why are they commenting? I "name drop" and identify the topics and concepts that I am playing around with in order to allow people to investigate further and be better prepared to criticize my ideas more effectively after they are familiar with them. A two word comment is irritating. Should I have written a dry longwinded thesis instead of cramming everything into a casual RUclips comment? Yeah, probably. But this is RUclips, word salad is allowed. I'm not trying to get a doctorate here.
@@EKDupre When I "name drop" I'm not being arrogant or elitist. I do it to show a potential opponent my playbook and open the door to being intellectually and philosophically destroyed in a debate. Benjamin Franklin and a handful of others would meet privately and debate with each other. Eventually they began bringing their privately owned books to these meetings in order to allow their opponents to read them. Libraries are important and there is a reason that Benjamin Franklin valued books and libraries and worked to make them accessible to every citizen. For thousands of years various despotic regimes, both political and religious, have restricted access to books and literacy in order to control their slaves. Physical chains are easy to break, psychological chains are often way more difficult to overcome, even when you are literate. Frederick Douglass understood the value of libraries and debate.
On media:
1- the NYT is for profit and isn’t always a force for good. If you want a institution, it’s got to be publicly funded like the BBC of yore (not the scared-of-Twitter parody we now have). But then it may not be popular or financially successful.
2- substack, podcasts etc. it becomes a matter of news consumer constructing their niches. And from my POV, just like with cable vs streamers, it’s a matter of overall budget. I’m willing to spend, say, $50 a month on “news/serious thinking”. Who do I follow? I don’t need a universal all-covering newspaper and certainly not pathetic attempts at imitating such. Local news can be done, if enough citizens are interested in supporting a couple of journalists imbedded in a locality and its problems.
Again and again, the problem is people. We just aren’t smart enough, coordinating enough and disciplined enough in seeking our own selfish long term best. We prefer donuts and Coca Cola over fruits and water…
Silverman had to be joking with her thing on Jenner right? Imean that is her style
It doesn’t matter if she was joking though. Context does not matter anymore hence why many of us have a major problem with woke culture
Unrelated comment, I've made multiple request for a free account for nearly a year, and not once heard back
Me too
I had one that recently expired, but his initial response was very quick. Bummer to hear it’ has changed.
I had a response when I applied several months ago, but I was too lazy to set up the app. Not enough compelling episodes I guess. I think when I first applied I didn't hear a response, but then I sent a follow up email or something. I don't remember, but try that if you didn't get a response.
No response for me ether, though this covid period ate up savings. Philosophical material is less valuable than the emergent neuroscience, though, so social commentary in an age requiring financial support of vanishing nature is below food on most necessities lists, like mine, or yours.
Less time whining for free shit, more time working
It's kinda annoying, I have enough money to pay $100 for the podcasts, but I just don't want to. So I can't honestly ask for a free acount, so i just make do with these segments lol.
Pay the fee if you can afford it... Gratitude is a powerful force and that power is magnified by taking the call to action that acknowledges such gratitude; by this the law of attraction will multiple your investment in return.
You think Sam Harris is hurting for money? Get over the guilt and just sign up for free, the uneasy feeling will evaporate with time, because deciding to save some money in this case is definitely not engaging in some huge deception .
@@ambientjohnny That's not the point...
I guess YOUR work has no value once you've accumulated what someone else determines is enough money 🤷
So much for capitism, huh 😒
@@virtuosa69 At some point it becomes exceedingly petty to give a shit about small change... like when you're worth two million in this case.
@@ambientjohnny That's your petty POV
Sam Harris is obviously aware of his success, but mostly the greater value that his information offers, which is why he provides the no questions asked free subscription that MOST of his subscribers choose because most live paycheck to paycheck.
His financial support truly comes from the FEW who consider it a great privilege and honor pay what are usually just small tokens compared to the MUCH greater value they've attained
Are u single? Yes I’m Singal.
At one point Jesse makes a comparison between the people who are focused on woke-ism and the people focused on white supremacy, as though those are comparable bc both groups are focused on some mystical force that makes everything worse. I don't think this works because those arguing that white supremacy is playing a large role in American life still have all their work ahead of them. Sam himself has argued many times that white supremacy is the fringe of the fringe in America. With woke ideology, there is no dispute as to its reach and impact; it's everywhere. That's where I think the analogy totally fails
Peterson a few years ago advised him about this. Only now Sam gets it.
Without Trump in office Sam has to move on to another topic.
You serious? This is the content you uploaded? Fuck.
Has Sam Harris said anything about the Israel-Palestine conflict?I'm curious to hear his perspective.
Does Sam Harris support right wing Netanyahu who has killed over 70 children in Gaza? Or is he also gonna give excuse that Hamas throws hand made firecrackers into Israeli sky?
@@th529 I dunno. Perhaps he will mention the actual missles lobbed at Isreal as a "response" to clearing a weapons cache cynically secreted in a mosque, or the explicitly genocidal manifesto of Hamas, or the endless superstition driven and caused conflict. Maybe the fact they have been caught faking attacks on civilians..or even the fact its a decade in prison for gays, etc.. Who knows. There's lot to go at.
He is pro Israel 🙄
@@EamonnOConnell ...Very tepid and not without a lot in the way of provisos .
Sams take on this was the most sane I've seen
@@bertrandrussell894 I just read it, and it was so good. I literally do not understand the two people in this comment thread that are pro Palestinian. I literally do not understand anyone who is pro Palestinian. It boggles my mind.
Sam your an American treasure. Keep it up!
You’re*
Why specifically point out that he's an American treasure? He's just a treasure for all of us.
Sam, have you ever talked about Ivermectin? I'm surprised you're not on the front lines with Bret Weinstein and others on this... I do hope you have the chance to watch Bret's conversation with Dr. Pierre Cory last night, it was spectacular.
Ivermectin doesn’t work for Covid
You forgot one relevant topic...UFO'S!
I really hope he does a full episode on it after the congressional briefing about it
@@Pheer777 I think it makes sense too. Michael Shermer (Skeptic) just had an interesting podcast about it. Cheers
Los subs al español están mal. Singal its not single. Se tradujo como Jesse Soltero xd
Hmm I'm not to thrilled to hear the overly cautious Sam Harris basically deterring Mr. Singal from trying a Phycadelic. For a person who encourages meditation, and more so the goal of meditation, it seems a bit paradoxical to me. Sam reminds us often that the self and free will are an illusion, which is an idea that could drive anyone to insanity. Meditation of course is a much subtler form of a Phycadelic, but the more you sit with your self and observe your mind, your sensitivities will heighten and it can become harder to deal with. As for a Phycadelic, you may go into a bad trip, and come out feeling off, but it still always remains, meditation is simply to sit and feel whatever it is that you are feeling without any judgment towards it. We have a lot of repressed emotion within us, that manifest in ways that are extremely uncomfortable in the case of serious meditation, similarly phycadelics can do the same. Whatever it is that you decide to do, feel your feelings, embody the understanding that they don't last, and continue on. Breath, relax, peace. 💪❤🧠
Oh, Jesse definitely had James Lindsay in mind when talking about people voting for Trump.
Ya Lindsay went off the deep end. Such a shame.
Would like to see Sam interview James or vice versa.
its funny how many people orbiting around the IDW became complete lunatics
The New Atheists really paved the way for $cience. Am I right guys?
Peeworm.
Jesse Singal is a definition of crypto woke
Meaning he's liberal on social issues and not a reactionary? Most people talking endlessly about 'wokeness' are just right wingers who could care less about human suffering or what is actually true. That's my problem with this categorization. Sam is using the same language as legitimate bad faith actors and it's obfuscating his message.
@@seanupton709 what is actually true? that orange man tried overthrowing the state with a bunch of tourists with 0 weapons by using the word "fight"?
and who do you think are bad dfaith actors?
@@seanupton709 they definitely couldn't care less about human suffering
@@lennywright8410 They could care less
Speak with Joseph Henrich, the author of The WEIRDest People in the World
A minor can't legally buy alcohol, vote, buy cigarettes, buy a gun, or go to war as their brains and knowledge bases are still developing, but some people want to rush the process of permanent irreversible operations and treatments based solely on the decisions of minors? It is interesting that some factions will try to cancel you for saying "Wait. Slow down. Let's really think about this and be careful so that people aren't hurt in permanent ways." Transitioning is fine, but the level of technology right now is crude and barbaric and we need to tread carefully until advancements are made. Technological advancements in the future are going to generate a vast array of accessible and much more safe flexible sexual and social identities, but there is nothing wrong with taking time today to think deeply about how to approach permanent changes in your own body and life.
agree
Sounds a bit weasely, trying to be an apologist for wokism whilst simultaneously trying to acquire anti woke credibility?
Basically annoyed that he won't 'pick a side' eh? Turns out the world becomes significantly more complicated the better you perceive it. Do you applaud the 'anti woke' Tennessee trans bill?
@@seanupton709 no I don’t applaud it, do you?
@@paddydiddles4415 no sir.
I present to you…the new atheists
@@paddydiddles4415damn nuance
I didn't massively disagree with anything Jesse Singal said, but I did massively disagree with Sam's idea that the far left is a more dangerous prospect than the far right atm. Racist attacks have increased iignificantly in the UK since Brexit. Whilst the Brexit vote wasn't all based on racism, the racists feel validated because of the result. That's an empirical fact. It's also far right ideology which tends to feed anti-science movements claiming Corona Virus isn't real, resulting in countless deaths in Brazil and India. The far left - or the woke (in that sense), are just not in power anywhere in the world!
In the UK, we don't really have the problems the US seems to have with the trans-gender issue. It's not really anyone else's business, but that person's, is the general view, whether you're left/right. To be passionately against something you have no interest in - like transission, is just a bit weird. No one talks about it.
More worryingly , I think it's very strange to compare (1) far right supremacists with (2) with the trans movement. To say the former exist in extremely small numbers, whilst the latter is everywhere - and thus, the far left is more dangerous, is almost laughable. There's a bizare claim in there, that people who don't like people who don't like people who don't like gender transission are as dangerous as people who don't like people because they are black. One of these people has an issue with someone's opinion (like we all do at times) while another has an issue with someone's skin (which most us don't do any of the time, hopefully).This, unfortunately, betrays Sam's slightly stronger liking for the right of things, in my opinion. That's a shame. The far right is as dangerous as the far left. I wouldn't lean one or the other on that, especially in today's climate.
The far left is a lot more insidious though, and attracts many more well-meaning people who don't know better and think what they're doing is good. Whereas the warning signs and red flags on the far right are much more clear.
British politics is still in a turbulent phase right now so it is not clear how it will turn out in the future. Remember that wokism almost forced the removal of Britain's most senior police officer earlier this year when politicians bent over backwards to believe a false narrative about police violence when in fact there was almost no police wrongdoing whatsoever. It's quite difficult to assess how powerful these social forces are. Also we might see politicized news in the future in the UK and I don't think that has done anything good for the US whatsoever, and that's on top of social media trying to perpetually put us into echo chambers.
I don't know if Sam reads these comments but if you do Sam, please look into the Sarah Everard vigil in the UK. It turned into a media storm despite the 'nice' women protesting peacefully and the police following procedures. There don't seem to any bad actors deliberately being dishonest or violent. This makes me think it is an ideal case study for what is going wrong with modern society with regard to modern media and woke style issues.
@@davegold Sounds like you're trying to converse with Sam rather than me. You also haven't enaged much with my points. The idea that there isn't disproptionate violence from the police in this country toward ethnic minorities is for the birds ;)
@@mljh11 Sounds like an unfinished post. I don't agree, however. It's the far right that has been in power, not wokism/far left (whatever that is). If anyone has managed to be insidious toward well meaning people, it's the far right. They've actually been pretty successful in duping well-meaning people. The evidence is that they've actually managed to generate enough votes to obtain power in many places, whereas the far left have not. These kind of actualities make makes these types of points laughable, if I'm honest. The only way you can argue the contrary is to say that people on the right aren't well-meaning ;) Go for it!
@@TheAjrclark I can't decide if you're being funny or disingenuous. Take any policy issue, say undocumented immigrants, and compare the extreme positions - you can't tell if "let's take everybody in" is more or less well-meaning than "let's kick them all out"? You honestly don't know which one is more likely to have come from a place of compassion and empathy?
In any case my point was about the popular reach of both sides. Left-wing wokeism is going to be more acceptable to a larger number of people precisely because of what I mentioned above, but if you can't see it then I don't think I can convince you.
I find nothing as irritating, right now, as the false choice between being Woke or supporting Trumpistan. Like, just because you reject one form of crazy, you have to embrace another. My recent criticisms of Cancel Culture have baffled my family, who think I am being led away from the light, and am "going rightwing." They get all ruffled, and seem to think the ultimate knockdown argument is, "Well, the other side is far worse!" They can't seem to wrap their minds around the idea that you can criticize both sides. In general, self-criticism of any kind is an artifact of the past. Blech.
Laws protecting children from being given drugs that alter their growth& development for life seems pretty rationale to me. Until we have an accurate way to diagnose gender dysphoria, we shouldn’t allow them to go through gender transition until they are adult and can make that decision. Especially since we know they are effected for life.
Laws are terribly blunt tools and often have completely unintended effects. I am against these laws but i am for giving doctors and parents more accurate information that correctly convenes how little is known about potential long term side effects of these drugs. Empower doctors and parents > outright bans
Except that once they are adults it is too late to transition in the same way and they suffer for it forever...and the only way to know if someone is trans is to ask them.
Also studies show few...though some...but very few regret it...like under 1%
@@jeffrockwell1555 Stop lying.
Unique genes and impressive aggregate phenotypes are more likely to emerge among generations who live in harsher environments rather than soft sheltered coddled arrogant ignorant aristocratic cloisters. True genius is rare, but it is more likely to be found among people living in harsh, rural, and often underappreciated areas. People of wealth, intellect, and influence should invest in more high quality education programs across the globe in order to increase the likelihood of discovering, empowering, and apprenticing the next Srinivasa Ramanujans, the next Alan Turings, and the next Marie Curies. They are out there; misunderstood and abused; they are out there; diamonds in the rough just waiting to aid humanity in beautifully brilliant chaotic unpredicted ways.
People should watch Contrapoint's video on JK Rowling. It's very well done and informative.
Nah
It's really not. Bitter and bitchy.
@@alex-qd6of I doubt you watched it.
@@CreatureColossus that's fine. But I watched most of it. Her videos are now feature film length, so I couldn't make it through that one. I saw enough of it to know she's way off base.
@@alex-qd6of Fair enough. I personally thought she made a lot of good points. For example how Rowling's past sexual assault has made her hyper vigilant, or how women's bathrooms are actually more about femininity than gender. I thought the video over all was very charitable while still being critical of Rowling.
I’m starting to be fairly sure you two commentators have no familiarity with the work of Dr Debra Soh. If you had your conversation would have much more depth.
One of the potentially most terrifying abilities of AI/machine learning entities would be their abilities to evolve languages so rapidly and in such degrees of sophistication that humanity couldn't even begin to catch up. Imagine just that principle alone in relation to any possible alien civilizations.
And then there is an alternative: Imagine alien species that are evolving and communicating on scales so slow in comparison to ours that we literally don't have enough time to analyze them or collect enough data before we evolve into ever more complex fractal-esque forms that cease to even care about those other forms or even remember that they exist.
AI/machine learning entities could potentially rapidly evolve to the point, provided that they can design and 3d print their own sensory organs and cognitive organs as they communicate (sexual reproduction, in essence) that they eventually view humanity as so slow moving and slow evolving that they classify us as barely moving systems that aren't even sentient when compared to them. Similar to how humanity is potentially classifying other possible life forms right now or in the future.
What a blue pilled guest. He's against laws that prevent children from being "medically transitioned". I'm out.
Hey just "wants to have a conversation" lmao they always just "want to have a conversation" yet they ignore the data, as well as the moral implications.
Yeah, retard is NOT like the n word. Retard has an actual definition and means something other than a derogatory slur. It’s a verb. It’s perfectly usable in language without having anything to do with people who have intellectual handicaps. The n word is only one thing. Even if using the word “retard” to describe someone, while maybe not nice, is still not the same as calling someone a n*****. When will we not be allowed to use the words: fat, ugly, or stupid? How many “mean” words will be verboten?
I thought the whole "people who menstruate" thing was that it not only included trans-women who don't menstruate, but it excludes trans-men who still do -- and can even have babies in the way that biological mothers do.
Apologies for the word 'mothers" above. I don't know a non-offensive way to say that. I mean "uterus parents".
just because someone used their uterus to deliver a baby to term doesn't make them a parent. please try to speak in a way that doesn't imply familial relationship based on giving birth.
@@justin_5631 You don't know me or anything about my family. You're reading an awful lot into my comment.
@@justin_5631 Unless your comment is a parody, in which case -- hmmm.
@@MrTwostring It is genuinely difficult to tell, at this point. I couldn't even tell if your original comment was serious or not.
A person can respect everyone without buying into this ridiculous nonsense.
@@billscannell93 - My original comment was a serious report of what I understood other people to be thinking when they try to justify saying "people who menstruate" rather than "women."
Sam I want to meet you from Senegal
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I love sam harris, have listened to all his podcasts however jordan peterson is making better more salient content right now in my opinion and i cant believe they get stuck when they talk, i want them to talk!
I have no idea about my gender
If a child can't have the mother, or the mother's love, they can become the mother - psychology 101.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Maybe you should have taken Psych 102.
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Since the Dawkins "transgender tweet" fiasco, I have been going around saying, mark my words, there will come a day when the term "transgender" is itself considered "transphobic," because it implies someone was once somehow other than the gender they identity as now. (The prefix, "trans" implies someone TRANSITIONED from one thing to another, after all.) So in other words, it will be "transphobic" to acknowledge there is such a thing as being born a certain sex. From the sounds of the CNN story they discuss here, we are arriving at that point...
Any word is now a potential moral panic time bomb. Must be a shitty time to be a comedian
@@theshrubberer I can’t imagine being a comedian now.. I have a friend whose brother is a writer in Hollywood and it’s a miserable time there as well. You basically have a very narrow stance to take and any dip to the side and you are screwed
My issue with Sams rhetoric here (while I agree with his points) is that he is using the same terminology of totally unprincipled, bad faith, right wing reactionary actors without distinguishing himself from them in the slightest or acknowledging good faith criticism of the weaponizing of woke culture by these characters. For instance, he fails to say 'I recognize that this has become the go to political topic of those who believe climate change is a Chinese hoax, refuse to wear masks and attempted a coup a few months ago'. I think this would help Sam connect with more people who may otherwise find his voice harder to seperate from Sean Hannitys.
Also JK Rowlings comments started off fairly innocuous but ended in her putting forth some pretty shitty perspectives on transgenderism. This is a woman who writes endlessly about doing the right thing, compassion, acceptance of others and love. I can understand why her audience are likely to be upset. If she made racist remarks, would it be right for the African community in Britain to 'cancel' her, whatever that means..
Dr Fauci said not to wear masks though, so which is it? Mask or no? Also, the coup was on Jan 6, while Trump was still president. You honestly think that Trumps supporters tried to overthrow him?
@@Varlwyll ah bad faith, we meet again.
32:30 understand that you are the cult member. You're both just asserting claims without evidence, patting each other on the back, and attacking your 95% friends with ad hominem. That's cult stuff.
Hit a little close to home? Caught feelings did we?
Didn't take long for Sam to mention wokeism /rolleyes
It's something both he and Singal address regularly. What dd you expect?
@@skreeeboy its kinda boring this anti sjw content...and this red scare about wokeness its completely overblown, its a witch hunt. wokeness can be at most annoying, thats it
@@matteoforghieri Yeah, perhaps. But perhaps not. Wokeism directly contributed to the destruction of my marriage, so I might be a bit more sensitive to it's effects because of my particular "lived experience" so you'll excuse me if it seems more important to me than it might to you.
Good.
@@itsmylife2624, good that it helped destroyed my marriage?
I'm glad Sam took on the whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" issue. It had to be v painful for him to realize how anti-woke fanatics like Dave Rubin, Brett Weinstein, and Heather McDonald became apologists for Trump.
Bret never became an apologist for Trump
Pointing out instances where Trump was right or not saying Trump is a Nazi doesn't make you an apologist for Trump.
@@LuisCarruthers please... Rubin voted for Trump.
@@alex-qd6of What is your point? There are different reasons different people vote for the same candidate.
@@alex-qd6of yes it must have been painful - because he had TDS ie the pain was due to his condition. Your dismissal of Bret, Heather and Dave as ‘apologists’ is tribal, ‘radical’, and simplistic thinking. You probably share a lot more in common with the wokesters than you realise
Sorry dude not gonna listen to half an interview
@@UsernameVincent It's his right, just annoying that he refuses to put out free podcasts the way most do. Sacrifices his ability to maximize his impact.
@@UsernameVincent Seems kinda pointless. Why not just ask for donations instead.
@@UsernameVincent Right I'm saying just read some ads like everyone else. Plenty people more controversial than him get by that way. Plus his Waking Up app is doing well.
@@UsernameVincent But Waking Up is a meditation app, you're learning the practice of meditation. Talk is different. I may like some of his podcasts but they ain't that good. And free podcasts are a good thing imo.
12:30 Great, he's for child abuse
18:25 Great, so is Sam. Absolutely disgusting. Actually supporting the possibility of sterilizing children as if children or parents could make that decision for the future adult that child could have become.
I really like Sam, but I was genuinely surprised, and honestly, disappointed, at his comments at 18:25. I don’t see how anyone can take the words of a child so seriously that they’re willing to risk their entire future on the exceedingly slim chance they might be right. Kids say and do all kinds of crazy stuff. Who the fuck knows who they are at 4 years old? How can a 4 year old even grasp what it means to be a woman or a man in any sophisticated way? It’s insane.
@@sivannatalie same
That's because you must be totally ignorant of such cases in psychology.
@@NoahsUniverse I think I would support capital punishment for people who do this to their kids. It's even worse than rape. Do you know how many kids grow out of it? Any statistics on these experiments? Do you even care, or are you just afraid? I know someone who detransitioned who is stuck with the voice of a teenage boy. It basically ruined her life, and you want to allow this to happen to more people. How compassionate. Oh, it's a "psychological" case? That's so special. It almost makes it not sound like child abuse. Wait, no it doesn't because I'm not a monster. Kids believe things sometimes. They grow out of it almost always.
@@m3po22 What you're talking about are freak examples and are not as common as you think... You would think differently if you actually met a child who clearly is displaying these sorts of things consistently.
What I suspect you are really advocating for is complete silence for trans people
Reverse racism? Yaaa no. Unless you have a disadvantage in life being white, specifically, then this is a ridiculous attempt to lump groups, all the same, I get he doesn't want to "other" people, however, you have to recognize peoples differences, a silly comment Sammy Sam. Otherwise, some interesting points.
The only systemic racism in this country is against those of the European stock, in the realm of hiring and school admittance
Would you look at crime stats between groups? Can you guess who are disproportionately harmed by other groups?
@@thothamon9046 Lol, thanks for the comic relief!
@@sabhal Crime stats are about the furthest thing from comedy there is
Sam Harris must be brought to justice for his role in the New Zealand Mosque shooting.
What
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Yup as well as in Sweden
I like Sam, but I get tired of him rallying against wokeism. Sure it is worth mentioning but it seems to be such an issue that lives in his head. I just find it tiresome.
It permeates every mainstream quadrant of western culture. It’s not just in his head. 😂
Its essentually (mostly) untreated cultural AIDS at this point.
What are you talking about? This PC nonsense is infiltrating absolutely everything today. I assume you are in the cult if you don’t see it.
No, it doesn't just live in his head. It was very real in my own life, and it directly contributed to the failure of my marriage. It was heartbreaking for me. Others have lost their livelihoods, friendships, and who knows what else because of it. This shit does have consequences for normal people.
sam supported torture for terrorist. he discussed a nuclear strike on siria. he supported the great replacement theory. he spend most of his career scaremongering about muslims. he promoted the race and iq nonsense. he may be liberal on some issues, but on many others is defenetly conservative in the darkest of ways. so you should not be surprised, he hates the left, social justice and integration.
"Kids putting on nail polish and saying they're non-binary" - What absolute nonsense this man is saying.
His more shortened free podcasts and general demeanor of 'I am a racionalist' who everyone should see life, is killing any respect we have for him, not to mention his illogical anti Trump stance. Sorry I'm at my ends wit following him.
As a long time supporter of Sam Harris this is unbeleivably painful to see. Singal has advocated for conversion therapy of minors for years, and promotes a policy of immensely abusive emotional trauma as a way of 'treating/helping' trans youth. I have shared almost all beleifs about the left and the trouble in so much discourse, but platforming Singal has to be my limit. I am genuinely disgusted.
Are you against the interviews made on Charles Manson? How about Joseph Stalin? Che Guevara? My point is no matter how disgusted other peoples ideas make me, I still wanna hear them, and hear them challenged. Go back to your bunker if you dont like it.
Platforming nothings like you should be the limit - stop posting and go do something with your life.
Maybe actually listen to the Podcast before drawing a conclusion? Just a thought..
@@fedea82 I'll be civil as my comment was short and could seem like what you allude to. No, I am not against any of those things. I am against conversion therapy and emotional abuse of minors. Are these things you would like to see challenged? If so, I would suggest Mumsnet and 4chan, where you can see all the discussions on these topics. Singal is not a intellectual with ideas. He is demonstrably dishonest. I can prove all of these claims if need be. In my book, these invalidate him from any discussion. You wouldn't interview Manson for his thoughts on healthy relationships. If this is how low the podcast is willing to go for discussions, what's the point? There are some genuinely brilliant writers/journalists/academics speaking with immeasurably more nuance and intelligence than Singal.
I'm aware that perhaps like me, you are sensitive to the crowds that would rather shut down discussion than have a healhty marketplace of ideas, but Singal profits directly from people who aren't educated enough on the subject to recognise bullshit. I know it's not a podcast on those subjects, but what intellectual value does someone like that bring to any discussion?
@@connieeverafter3029 the other examples I cited dont bring intelllectual value either imo, and were also con artists & promoters of grotesque practices. If Sam wants to platform someone who you see as despicable so be it. Move on or unsubscribe. He has the right to invite him and we have the right to hear it or ignore it. That's how it works and how it should work. I wanna hear everyone's side, villains included.
Existence is infinite and so there must be infinite forms of life out there. Defining life and what is animate versus inanimate due to the relative perception of timescales, events in relation to other events, rates of communication, rates of evolution, and the modes of travel for other forms of life is difficult because life must exist on numerous infinitesimal scales and numerous macro scales in relation to limited and asymmetrical sensory organs, cognition, and communicative organs of humanity. There could just as easily be behemoths so huge that they dwarf our universe or civilizations existing on scales so small that we can't perceive them or only limited aspects of them. Humanity could easily mistake an entire alien civilization to be a slow moving unconscious geological structure that is slowly changing/evolving and vice versa. Forms of life could be moving and evolving on evolutionary timescales so fast in relation to people that even attempting to communicate with them or understand them would be ridiculous; like trying to fully appreciate some rare cosmic flash of lightning while using the wrong sensory organs. A honey bee can perceive uv light reflections on the petals of flowers while people can't naturally perceive them. Who is perceiving the "flower?" Or is the flower not a static object and is actually flowing and should be given a new identifier every few seconds in order to update the lifecycle changes? Is calling a flower a "flower" for the duration of its entire life a vast understatement of the complexities taking place in the organism? A housefly perceives a river flowing at a different rate than how people perceive the flow of a river and have entirely different and asymmetrical perceptions of time and of how lifeforms are behaving because of differences in sensory organs and cognition and speeds of travel. If a housefly and a person couldn't agree on how time works then just how ludicrous is it to assume that an alien lifeform would even begin to be able to communicate with us? How would we find common ground to even begin thinking about communication or mutual understanding? So if a lion could speak a human language and we still couldn't understand the lion because of a lack of common translatable frames of reference and then you expand that principle by many degrees when dealing with any alien life that we could detect in a way that wasn't fragmentary and fleeting at best (like as a shimmer or some mysterious ripple perhaps).....and then you throw in completely bizarre asymmetries and rates of evolution and communication and potentially either extremely rapid or extremely slow communicative evolutions on their part then......suddenly the clichés in Hollywood sci fi become clear.
Life has constraints just like physics and chemistry have constraints, so I think your ‘infinite life’ model is naive, doesn’t recognise the biological laws that nature has revealed to us
@@paddydiddles4415 Temporary constraints. Everything is changing and evolving because the root of Existence is not Nothingness; the root is movement away from symmetry and true perfect equilibrium. Some evolutions appear to be occurring "quickly" and others more "slowly" according to the constraints and rates of evolution of human cognition and evolution in relation to a constrained amount of external stimuli. Some systems are treated as if they are laws or true constants because the evolutions going on in those massive seemingly eternal systems are evolving on scales so slowly in relation to the evolutions of humankind and our technology. There is no such thing as a true eternal constant because every system inevitably makes asymmetrical jumps in order to avoid a state of symmetry; even the ebbs and flows of different timescales and time are flowing and moving in strange ways because every dimension is doing spooky things at a distance. Temporary constraints on systems from a human perspective don't change the fact that Existence is infinite and that Nothingness is a paradox.
The universe exits for my observation, when I die, you're all fucked.
@@elias_xp95 Damn. We are going to hook your god brain up to computers and keep you alive then. You should've kept pretending to be mortal, you messed up.
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