Deep Time: A Conversation with Stephen Fleming
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Oliver Burkeman about our relationship to time. They discuss the perils of efficiency, being vs becoming, the illusion of time as a resource, parenting and childhood, work-life balance, the loss of leisure, the planning trap, social isolation, a modern Sabbath, and other topics.
Oliver Burkeman is the author of the New York Times bestseller Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, about embracing limitation and finally getting round to what counts, along with The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking and Help! How to Become Slightly Happier and Get a Bit More Done. For many years he wrote a popular column on psychology for the Guardian, 'This Column Will Change Your Life', and has reported from London, New York, and Washington, DC. In his email newsletter, The Imperfectionist, he writes about productivity, mortality, and building a meaningful life in an age of distraction.
Released: December 3, 2021
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In a parallel universe ben stiller is having the exact same conversation with stephen fleming and wrote oliver burkeman in the description.
Dead.
The Ben Stiller/Sam Harris comparison joke is so blasé, worn out, and old. Stop using it.
@@tegan71969 I still enjoy it.
@@tegan71969 It is a thing of timeless beauty.
I read this once and didn’t even blink an eye. Seemed perfectly reasonable at first glance 😂
If you listen to this at 1.25 speed you'll get through it in less time and Sam's mediation voice doesn't put me in a trance
Stephen sounds like Oliver
This topic resonates with me. I'm working 6 days a week and never find the time to do the things I love, I have a hobby and so many ideas but I get frustrated because I don't get any free time to work on projects. Yet I hear people getting bored because they have loads of free time yet don't have any interests.
Why the hell do you spend the majority of your life doing something you don't enjoy? I mean, unless it's absolute necessity, it just seems like a waste of life.
I quit my job at 32 and it's the best thing I ever did. It did take several years of preparation to start my own business, but I realized early on that 9/5 wage slaving was not my thing.
I mean think about it.. you live once, and you spend your days doing things you hate or dislike? Break free already.
@@TehNetherlands Most people are incapable of running their own bussenes successfully. I wouldn't have a clue even though it was once a dream of mine. I'm now in my 60s and still working full time because there are still bills to pay. This is the norm and not by choice. It's the struggle for survival and it's part of being alive.
@@toby9999 Nothing but respect for you my man. It's perfectly possible to be content with life in an employment situation.
I get the imrpession that it mostly depends on people's emphasis. Maybe family was the most important element in your life, which is a noble persuit. Maybe it was the happiness of your wife, your children etc.
Ultimately, the so called 'success' of your life depends on the goals that you have set for yourself and the degree to which you've managed to realize them, regardless of other people's opinions.
thank you Sam
For a few years I ended up following my passion full time. One result was my "other" RUclips channel (not "MrTwostring"). I did OK financially - but I eventually took a "regular job" that paid better. Much of what Sam said about "work and pleasures being indistinguishable" resonated with me - but he didn't get to the detail that really weighed on me - and that was this. Since my hobby became my work, I no longer had any hobbies.
I do want to get back to "following my passion" when I'm ready for early retirement, but I'm going to try to carry some lessons learned with me - and that will include making sure I have time for hobbies - or as they called it here - leisure.
A few years ago I attended a series of seminars on this very topic.One bit of homework involved scheduling the day from rising to bedtime, useful to find out how much time is spent on matters important and trivial. It seemed that the result was that in the workplace a minimum of 60 hrs. per week at the desk is now the new normal
A treadmill to be sure
It's about time you released this
top notch staff you got Sam lol
Funny thing is, I was really in doubt whether to listen to this one or find an older one. This subject surprisingly resonated with me and in my reaction to just "go with the newest one" i felt an inception of inception unraveling into one of the most profound experiences i've had with your podcasts, Sam!
That was cool, thanks!
I hope this happens as I feel similarly and am
Just listening now! 🤩🔥
Samuel Harrison jr… thank you
I think I have time for this
I listened to this on double speed while working out. How do you like those time management apples?
Great stuff
oliver burkeman or Stephen Fleming? the title is wrong?
It's Oliver Burkeman same conversation is in the Waking up app.
Still running a month or two behind Bob Wright.
Only the great jokes Sam makes are already worth my time.
Video title is WRONG. This isn’t Stephen Fleming
ALL 🧢
Nobody seems to care.
Is that true? That's his official channel so that's hilarious.
@@xLightcrystalx the description says another name
@33:55 "...my [Sam's] work and my guilty pleasures are more and more indistinguishable." Well that's living the dream in my book; nice work! And for those who _don't_ like their work, there's a self help group for that. It's called _The Bar_ and I heard they meet weekdays at 5pm.
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That is not what I usually understand by the concept of "deep time". I was hoping for a discussion about stuff spanning aeons.
Yeah, title didn't like up with what I was expecting for sure.
With respect to this *timely* discussion, let’s agree to ban the word of the decade, i.e., “grind”.
why?
@@DickMoon because it’s overused by wannabe entrepreneurs, financial guru youtubers, and bitcoin geeks. You might also find its use within the pyramid scheme community.
“Time to grind”, “Gotta grind”, “Keep grinding” “Success comes to those who grind”
@@DL-rl9bd alright, so must ban it cause you don't like it? I think a better use of your time would be to bring a different word.
@@DickMoon why don’t you make a suggestion? Or, here’s one for you. I think a better use of *your* time would be to stop moralizing petty issues, get a sense of humor, and learn to recognize and understand sarcasm.
@@DL-rl9bd I have a suggestion, but you won't like it.
Hey Sam
This is a great strategy. I love reading. I do that first thing every day. As a result I have no light in my bathroom, two broken taps, only beans and rice for dinner, and termites breaking out my wall to bite me at night.
But I do get my main priority done. And I'm pretty happy with that
Can't tell if joke, criticism of the strategy, serious, or otherwise. IDK.
You're doing something wrong. Hard to believe it's reading. Seek help.
@@garyhamilton2104 I'm serious
@@robertbentley3589 I could definitely balance tasks better but, yes, it's definitely mostly reading.
Most people I know have more organised lives, but they barely get to read. It's an extremely common complaint from even people who "love reading". I would certainly choose to priorize books over domestic chores. But it has its down sides
@@drts6955 without knowing the full details of your life, all I can say is that your well-being should come first and if reading is getting in the way of it then that advice should come with the caveat: if you have the spare time.
Oliver Bergman or Stephen Fleming?
No pun intended. But legit just in time. Was about to go for a long car ride!!!
Alan Watts literally talks about all of this. Most intellectuals never cite Alan Watts for some reason that is beyond me
@Mike Kane no I don't think they're stealing someone's ideas at all. I look up to Sam Harris a lot and think he's pretty honest but I think Sam Harris does think he's above certain things or they're not worth his time, which is completely fine when you consider how busy he must be.
I think, though, that philosophy is just psychology in depth and Alan Watts goes beyond philosophy in my opinion. Him and Dogen are equally as woo woo though and Dogen is much harder to understand so idk how they mention him lol
Thanks for the reply
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@@pedrosalgado8984 you keep forgetting that Sam is an atheist and a skeptic of new age mumbo jumbo.
He's actually doing a podcast on Alan Watts next month lol that's wild
@@srslyjosh yeah that's crazy lol
This was an hour shorter than usual - what in hell am I going to do with this time?!!
why does the title say stephen fleming
You should do the making sense podcast with ads, this way you can reach out a broader audience, not just subscribers that pay. There's plenty of high quality podcasts with ads, yours would work too.
I think this could potentially be good as well. I know Sam has said in the past that he doesn't want to be beholden to any advertisers regarding his content. That said, his current model isn't too bad, but slower in terms of growth I would imagine.
How does putting adverts in increase the audience? You must really like adverts.
@@redmed10 Sam Harris's "Making sense" podcast has complete talks for subscribers only. What we get on RUclips is about half the conversation, and if you want to hear it all, you pay on the podcast page. If Sam would accept ads, then you can listen without paying.
@@luke31ish
So you just want something for free.
@@redmed10 There's so many paid subscriptions out there, that you need a part time job just to maintain them. I think a podcast with ads takes the financial pressure off of your audience, that's all.
This seems to be a cultural theme. The topics themselves are being considered and tossed around by Stoics and in the book, I am reading on an extraordinary mind.
Wrong guest name in the title?
Take your time fellas
Cool way to pronounce Stephen
This is wrongly titled isn't it? Oliver Burkeman is the guest but the title says Stephen Fleming.
Why are emails being treated as automatically efficient? They're not. A programmer spending 0% of their time coding (because they're spending it all emailing) doesn't achieve their goal, and _efficiency is about using the least resources (time, etc) to achieve a goal._
So the first bit of this conversation focusing on clearing an email queue _isn't avoiding efficiency._ Instead the person is being _more_ efficient by using less effort to achieve the desired outcome. It was super weird to imply there's this intrinsic efficiency to emails. Don't get me wrong: communication is crazy valuable to nearly all collaborative projects, but if collaborators spend all their time emailing then nothing meaningful gets done.
Oliver Burkeman not Stephen Fleming.
Wrong title
Where does time come from?
Don't you mean how did time start.? 🤔
@@pdcdesign9632 Yes
15:00 super accurate take by harris
What is the difference between Stephen Fleming and Oliver Burkeman?
**strips of the Scooby mask**
it's the protestant work ethic again!
***off***
There is no such thing as time.
There is only eternity.
Time is a human concept that measures movement.
Time measures change
Last I checked, infinity is as much a human concept as time.
At 14:33, Neil Peart lyrics, less poetically and less concisely rendered.
Get Hamed Abdel-Samad!
Looking for deep time.
The Whole relationship:
G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth.
O is a Whole.
D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
As we add a Whole relationship to the Words middle way we see GOOD expanded from its Whole contracted image.
As we draw the Words first and last into its Whole middle way to measure by drawing a Whole halved once squared twice to the right for its:
Time 12-3-6
Time, times 12x-3-6
Time, times and half a time 1/2x-3-6
Additional elements from the table:
12 Magnesium
3 Lithium
6 Carbon
1 Hydrogen
One clock wise cycle out of the many observed and measured from drawing the Words Whole time.
I am wondering if time management is even possible if we assume that we aren't wise enough to even know, in any given moment, what the most important thing is.
This desire to put a number on everything is great for managerial class but will not improve the quality of your life.
Odd way to start an interview. Tell me how I know you.
Oliver Berkman not Stephen Fleming!!!!
But how does ThE LeFt factor into this conversation?
The way I see it is through a lens of no L and R labels. I take what I like and discard what doesn't help me. I simply try to live my best life.
@@WardHammond In my best Sauruman - So you have chosen peace.
@@ignacius8466 yes
Quit job = time management.
Stephen is flattered, im sure, but this aint him lol
did Sam just discredit Heidegger?
He is above your pay grade dude
@@johnj5221 I used to be somewhat of a fan not as much though
The seriousness of the intro on both Sam Harris and Jordan petersons shows are so damn cheesy
Someone scared of Mohammad hijab
I think, It will be more understandable, fun, educational and impactful if you put a camera against yourself and record what you want to broadcast. Only audio is boring even if the subject matter is important. everything is mobile and is in motion.🤞
Unfortunately Sam has fallen on the sword of American liberalism….free your podcast, open it to all the people……be more like Lex!!
It is free, if you can't afford it.
Ughhh disgusting! The line of thinking expressed by the guest at 32:30 is so repulsive and demeaning. I was on board with exploring most of this time management conversation, but this is so dustopian and oppressive. Talking about repressing your desire to be fulfilled by thinking in terms of your family's needs over your own happiness is some authoritarian, dictatorial propoganda.
Uh oh better rally your grumpy gang for a cancellation party.
Used to subscribe when I had time to listen. Unsubscribe when I didn't. Donate when I especially appreciate the work. Partially because I believe in the freedom of information that Sam used to participate in representing. I see that's no longer one of his values, so I'm no longer contributing.
I haven’t listened yet but I’ll make some political criticism of Sam and how he has become increasingly irrational. I used to really like and respect him.
Great. Now just scroll on by.
@@robertbentley3589 I guess you don’t speak sarcasm.
Yes, he's still a progressive atheist liberal who thinks Trump is the worst thing that ever happened to America 🇺🇸 🙄
@@pdcdesign9632 I assume you are stating none of these characteristics are necessarily bad
@@pdcdesign9632 I guess I don’t know who that eye roll is for
snoozefest.
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BORRRRINGGGGGGG lol
Hey Sam....you all for mandates now too or will you apologise for pushing this evil.