5 BIGGEST Hearing Aid Scams
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2022
- 5 BIGGEST Hearing Aid Scams and you're the Target. Dr. Cliff Olson, Audiologist and founder of Applied Hearing Solutions in Phoenix Arizona, discusses five of the biggest scams in the hearing aid industry and how to avoid them.
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I always get the impression that audiologists are more sales people than medical professionals
100% agree with you.
You think the people giving you a hearing test at Costco are even licensed audiologists? Not sure if that's a requirement to give a hearing test?
Do you think you would be unable to set up a correct profile - for your own hearing - if you had the same software as these "fitters"?
For the vast majority of people it is like buying a $2 pair of reading glasses - your eyes aren't falling out of your head, you just need a little boost.
I worked in sales for years. Started the appointment off with "coming to an understanding" about sales tactics and to cut the BS and save each other time. I think they appreciated that because the tone changed immediately.
I'm beginning to believe the whole business model of selling hearing aids is a scam. Then again I think most things in the USA medical industry are a scam/joke, but that's another story. I took my dad to 3 different audiologist, each sold different hearing aids. He wanted to go to all three before purchasing hearing aids. One to compare prices and two to see what they offered. He has moderate hearing loss in the high frequencies. Low and mid are ok. He also has tinnitus. All three confirmed this during the initial hearing test.
The whole experience was annoying.
After the hearing test, none of the audiologist asked what is your budget. None of them mentioned what models they sold. They'd put one on the table and that was it. I'm sure with his hearing loss any of the lower tier hearing aids would probably work. I even asked about the other brands/models they sold. Nope, this is the one you want or they only sold one brand/kind. One didn't even offer for him to try out a hearing aid. After the hearing test the audiologist said it would be $2500 for a pair. We said that's too much. They said ok. End of conversation. Goodbye. The prices offered varied from $2400 to $6000 for a pair. We made the mistake of telling one how much one of the others was asking. Magically the price at this office was just $100 less than the competition. When we got up and said we'd think about it or we couldn't afford that. None of them tried to sell us a lower tier or cheaper brand hearing aids. They'd only mentioned financing or CareCredit. One did make me laugh. He kept saying $59.99 I just kept thinking, "Oh that's not bad, $59 a month." I said something and he said, "no. it's $5999 with your discounts." I just kinda chuckled and stood up.
The fliers your receive in the mail are a joke as well. "Free hearing test, $1000 off hearing aids with this coupon. $250 rebate" We took the coupon with us to one audiologist (Beltone). He looked at it and said. ok. That's $5999 for a pair of Beltone hearing aids with the coupon. A discount means nothing if your can't find out what the MSRP of product, which none of the manufactures list. You have no idea if what your paying is a good price or fair. It's also very hard to compare the models online. Few of the manufactures actually list the differences between models.
I do understand the mark up somewhat at the hearing aid stores (audiologist). I don't like it or agree with it but I understand it. All three of these offices said they would take care of your hearing aids for some time period I think it was for 3 years: cleanings, fittings, retesting. repairs, warranty claims, and adjustments. I believe for free. They also all had staff, one or two employees. The audiologist has to make some money as well. I'd much rather a different business model where the hearing aids are like $500 for a pair and you have to pay a fee to get tested, fitted, adjusted, repaired. It kinda reminds me of the old Kirby vacuum door-to-door salesmen. They'd always try to get as much money as they could out of you. Sell one for $2000 to a neighbor, but you refuse, and they offer it to you for $1200. Another analogy would be glasses. At an eye doctor glasses cost $250 to $700 for a pair. You can get online and order directly from a factory (Zenni) and get a pair for as little as $12 for basic glasses or get glasses with a lot of features (progressives, transitions, anti-glare, scratch resist) for maybe $100 max. The eye doctors mark up the glasses massively to make money. I'm talking 1000%.
In my opinion hearing aids shouldn't cost more than $400 for a pair. I don't give a damn what's inside them or their features. If you can buy an IPhone 15 Pro Max for $1200. Think about it. A $200 pair of earbuds have most of the features of hearing aids and much more: microphones, DSP's, processors, bluetooth, noise cancelling, touch controls, rechargeable, streaming, etc).
At their core hearing aids are just a microphone(s), amplifier, DSP, and a speaker. Sure the newer models all have a computer in them with sound processing, bluetooth, and a dozen other questionable features. Once again your can buy $200 bluetooth headphones that have all these in them.
And I'm sorry $2500 to $6000 for something that might only last 3 to 7 years is ridiculous. The lower tier hearing aids should be near free or covered by insurance (Medicare) in the USA, but once again that's another story.
After this experience. I'm either going to buy a used set of hearing aids on eBay for $50-$150 or buy a set of OTC self fitting hearing aids (Bose Lexie or Jabra) on eBay for my father. The used hearing aids will be more problematic as I'll either need to invest in buying the programming tools/software or take them to one of the local audiologist and have them program them. I have no idea how much they charge or if they will even service used hearing aids if you didn't purchase the hearing aid through them directly.
I also question the true adjustability of the OTC hearing aids. How much customization of the hearing aid settings are available to the user?
That leads me to my last point. In this day and age all hearing aids should be easily user programmable. Hearing aids can now be bought OTC without a prescription or even seeing an audiologist. Almost all new digital hearing aids have Bluetooth, I see no reason to keep them locked or require proprietary hardware/software to program them.
End of rant. Thank you.
You pretty much said everything I wanted to say. The industry is predatory and rips off elderly consumers who often don't realize they're being scammed. And 805 of adults with hearing can't afford these products so they go without. Disgraceful.
Thanks for your rant. You have educated me as I’m now just looking for hearing aids. I have the same hearing loss as your Dad and can probably go another year or two with aids but I’d rather not. I see I’m in for quite a time. My first appt with the audiologist is next week. It’s at an ENT’s office so I’ll keep your rant in the back of my mind. Stay well.
@@rumproast5159 price compare at costco. that's where I've gotten the last two pairs.
I fully agree with you on all points. I began with name-brand $3000 hearing aids from an audiologist. I could never get them adjusted to suit and I couldn't adjust them myself. I finally replaced them with the Bose Lexie B1s and these are much better. I still wish for even-more adjustability and the ability to make custom ear molds. I'm sure Lexie also has a very high markup. Having worked in the electronics industry, I know these things should not be expensive. Today we can buy complete laptop computers for $200 and up.
One of the few things I can hear and loud and clear.
As a Senior, retired business professional. I have been studying the hearing aid market to get my first pair of hearing aids. I am shocked at the deception, price gouging and just plain dishonesty in some of the providers. The same hearing aid may sell from $1100.00 to $3800.00 depending upon who sells it. This seems to be the last frontier of the con man.
I couldn’t agree more! There is relatively little reliable, non biased consumer information out there. You are forced to glean what you can from public as well as manufacturers websites just to cobble together a basic understanding of hearing aid devices, let alone hearing loss in general. I’m so glad I found this channel! I’ll be binge watching just so I can learn enough to help my mom get herring aids this year.
Amen to that! My friend told me both she and her husband needed hearing aids…but decided against when told they would pay $4,000 for each pair…they just could not justify that cost being on a fixed income!😮
$3800!! That is chump change compared to what I had to pay for water-resistant PHONAK’s😱😱😱. Which ran me $8,000. I had so much trouble keeping them in, I turned them in and have not purchased anything yet. I left my ENT and found a private audiologist hoping to get much better info and service!
How can YOUR credentials be verified? 😂
One company that advertised in a magazine wrote me almost $6000. I said no. They kept texting me discounts, $5000, $3500, $2500 and last quote $1100. What dies that tell you?
Retired audiologist here. Sadly, Cliff is right. Audiology is another profession where we designate ourselves "Priests of the Temple." We're not. We're servants - just like any other public professionals who understands what they're really trying to do. Every profession has its used car salesmen: doctors, lawyers, accountants and us. Not offering excuses, but what I love about Cliff's videos is that he gives you cogent questions to ask - along with answers to look out for. Dr. Cliff, you are a service to the profession and the hearing impaired community. God speed.
Lifelong hearing aid wearer here. I absolutely love my audiologist. I’ve had many over the years and she is by far the best. I’m also very lucky that I have the rare insurance that not only covers the cost of the hearing aids every 5 yrs, but also the ear molds (severe loss in left ear & moderate to severe in right) & up to 80 batteries a year. . She does the whole in office program adjustment, never lets me leave until I’m satisfied with them & does follow ups in case I need readjustments. She also gets me in quickly if I have any problems or emergencies with them. She’s also one of those people that you can tell are actually listening to what you’re telling them and thoroughly answers all your questions. Her office carries multiple brands and types of hearing aids, depending on what your personal hearing needs are. She’s one audiologist that I completely trust with this.
Now while my mother is spending $3,500 for a single hearing aid fitted and configured from an audiologist, that markup is obscene. You know it and I know it.
you mention the massive markup on the cheap hearing aids, but i also bet there is a huge mark up on the better ones as well....
Unfortunately most of these scams occur within the established industry, not just shady online retailers. Oticon was fined millions in Australia for misleading advertising. A few years ago Phonak ran "advertorials" disguised as regular articles in my local newspaper talking about how their new chip "elminates" unwanted noise - a truly false and annoying claim I had to walk back in my clinic. Not to mention how thin the quality evidence is for most advanced hearing aid features.
As a journalist I would suggest it's pretty hard to disguise an advertorial as a news story. Maybe I'm too close to the issue to judge, but I think advertorials are obvious.
I often listen to Dr. Cliff's reviews. I appreciate his point of view as it allows me to understand the hearing aid industry.
I have the Phonak Audeo Life hearing aids I just received through my Audiologist, I was fortunate to have an AuD who took his time to make sure I was hearing real-time best practices I paid good money and I'm happy with my results.
Love my phonaks. Been wearing them 3 months now. No one knows I wear hearing aids. More discreet than ear buds. Love the way they work thru my phone and watch!
@@luannweis1885tell me more about your hearing aids. Thanks, Frank
I think the whole hearing aid industry is a scam. $2000 to $3000 for hearing aids. I could never afford that. I guess I just have to stay deaf. Insurance doesn't pay for any of the costs. The reason why people buy these cheap hearing aids is because some of us can't afford the $2000, $3000 price tag.
Just went to the audiologist last week, they want 3400 dollars. Not going to happen that’s a months check.
I assume that your hearing loss is just moderate because you can’t buy the best ones needed for severe loss for $3400.
I need the very best that money can buy and even those; Oticon More1, don’t really do the job either. Retail price is over $6,000 for a pair. I bought mine two years ago through an intermediary company for $4,000.
I’ve never used earmolds but that’s next to try to gain just a bit more.
The technology improves constantly so I buy new Oticons, the best they have, every 2 to 3 years. That’s $112.00 per month and a great bargain to someone like me who cannot have a conversation without them.
I say they’re not perfect and they aren’t but they make life bearable.
Also, if you watch tv alone get the Bluetooth connectors, the difference is amazing, like being in a concert hall.
See my post above, get a second mortgage or borrow from your bank and get a new lease on life. But don’t scrimp, get the best ones and use an intermediary company to point you to a retailer in their network to get a 33% discount to $4000. You’ll be glad you got the best ones.
If you’re like me you’ve busted your butt your whole life raising, educating and supporting a big, fine family but now it’s ME time and I deserve to have a decent remainder of a very long life. I’m not the old guy who sits in the corner because he can’t hold a conversation, hell no.
@@alamotwo1what and where is an “intrermediary company?? I bought my Phonak aids from my audiologist who is employed but an ENT…what a waste if time!! The cost was $8,000! They did NOT fit me for custom ear molds! Instead, I had foam or rubber domes that would Not stay in my ears! They constantly fell out of my ears..very anxiety-provoking, esprecially when losing one in a restaurant..I did recover it…then the Aud finally decided to do custom ear molds! She must have had her eyes closed when performing the molds! This nonsense continued through the entire warranty period(60) days! When we asked for additional time, they flatly refused. Did not care about the difficulties I was experiencing! Four months have passes, and I have an upcoming appt. with an independent audiologist who can help me successfully find the best hearing device. I hope I can find a pair to assist my hearing and not reach a price over $8K!😮❤
Always good info on this channel, I don't buy anything online for the reason you described. Getting a hearing aid last year allows me to function in society again and viewing your channel was the catalyst. Thank you Dr. Cliff .
Thank you for telling it like it is. I get so mad when I see these folks get these devices and I myself know it's full of it. Especially the ones you can buy at a store!
Thank u Doctor Cliff for this in foyou are appreciated so / I'm been having a little trouble lately hope my doctor can fix it / in the mean time it was great and thankful for all your help/ have a blessed night!💕🙏🙏
One point I would like to bring up after having dealt with quite a few hearing aid providers is that virtually none of them have experienced 8:22 deafness themselves, so , though I realise they know a lot about audiology they have never experienced what I have. Sometimes it’s fairly obvious too.
Agreed.. I doubt anyone without hearing loss really understands.
I don’t agree, they deal with people all day long every day and most of the ones I have used are genuinely sympathetic to our loss of socialization in groups or public places.
They know full well how it affects us.
True that. thats exactly what I been thinking.all the guys advertising hearing aids dont have hearing problems themselves.
When I got my hearing test about a year ago, they recommended $10,000 hearing aids! $2,000 - $3,000 hearing aids are already too high. It’s total robbery! I did not get the $10,000 hearing aids, nor could I even afford to dream of them!
You are right about Refunds after returning the hearing aids. Nano Hearing Aids is being advertised everywhere on TV. Hearing aids would not fit in my wife's ear correctly. So, got an RMA number and sent them back. 4 weeks later I contacted the company about my refund. Was informed the hearing aids were damaged and will not get a refund. They were not damaged when they were shipped back through UPS. The photo they sent me to show the damage could not have been done during shipment. Went to the BBB website and found many complaints about the same thing and ne refund given back.
Thanks for mentioning their name so that others can save themselve from these thugs
Here's another one, got an email from a local provider inviting me to participate in a clinical trial for new technology. Ended up having a call and was super excited until they told me they offered "financing" for their hearing devices. The "clinical trial" was a ruse to get me into the office.
I just had that occur to me too. I walked in, and quickly discovered it was a ruse to sell me a $8,000 hearing aid.
Yup. Been there. I even wrote a thorough and lengthy review. When I returned them, they weren’t interested in my review. 😮 I would have returned them anyway as they performed poorly. It was a provider that owns a bunch of stores and had purchased hearing aids from them in the past. Never went back.
Thanks Doctor Cliff for some great information!
I've learned so much from your vlog. Thank you!!! One would think that since the technology for bluetooth earbuds has come so far, the same would be true for hearing aids. I love my earbuds. Clear, great sound, great connectivity to my phone, tv, tablets, ipad, lalptops, great noise cancellation, and comapred to hearing aids, great prices, etc.
Pls can you share what brand earbuds you are using
Costco's hearing center is vastly underrated. my experience with the Jabra Enhance Pro and Costco has been excellent! my local audiologist tried charging me 4x ($6,495) what these cost me at Costco for basically the same product.
My experience, too. I went there because Consumer Reports gave it such a high mark. Great customer service and $2105 for an Rexton in the ear canal aid and a 6 mos FREE return policy, no questions asked. I'm sure they ask, but I'm confident with people i've dealt with at COSTCO that it would not turn into a drawn out argument/stall. I love having the app on my iphone to adjust its use.
@@Denyshowe Do they have any expert there who can help you to find the right hearing aid model?
@@superaijazYes, my CostCo I just delt with a DrAud. He fitted me with REXTONs. 1499. They had a bundle special where they threw in a travel charger. Just came home today with them. Hearing sounds I haven't heard for a long while. They said it will take about a month for your brain to adjust to the new sounds. I can even hear my vehicle's blinkers again.
Yes they do. Here at our local Costco the person is an accredited audiologist.@@superaijaz
I also have Costco hearing aids. Phonak. They no longer offer them because a bug in the chargers. The only concern I have is they do not follow best practices. On the whole, they do a fairly good job and have great support. Oh I forgot, they do not take insurance.
Great info. Thank you!
How to choose good and effortabl hearing aid with good quality sounds and no any noises. Plus I want them invisible
If hearing aids weren't soooo expensive people wouldn't have to try to look for affordable alternatives.
Can you please expand your list of recommended providers to other parts of the world. I’m in Australia and have found out this week I need a hearing aid after deterioration in my hearing post head injury in 2009. Would be great to find advice on a provider close to me too.
Thank-you for posting other information regarding hearing aids. I am learning so much
One bit of advice for veterans. Hearing aids and audiologist fees are covered under your VA benefits. If you never sought treatment for anything from the VA before, and need hearing aids, go to the nearest VA facility. I have a lot if friends who have taken advantage of these benefits recently and are glad they did.
for years, i was told i wasn't eligible. suddenly, i was. quite a group of goodies they provided.
As a hearing loss person.
I am completely turned off hearing aid scans.
Most advertising can be traced to a scam of some kind .
I'm still looking for affordable hearing aids..
I can see through the scans in the very ad they're pushing..
This industry is one of the most misleading of all..
Thank you for your information..
The best deal we have found are at Costco.
@@johngreen1776 No. Those are sound amplifiers,which are useless, or even dangerous, on a noisy environment.
From my experience, the only time my audiolist is attentive. Is every 5 years when I'm due to upgrade. I get a surprise call! Asking me to come in for my "annual check up" After I've purchased a new one. I'm dealt with like a problem
You need a better audiologist
Buy it online and pay for it with a credit card. Return early and if problem notify your bank
Living in Florida I just finished my hearing evaluation and ready to choose my hearing aids.
This particular Dr. Only carries Starkey Hearing Aids.
How many no cost visits are usually accompany this type of purchase which will need service.
Thank you in advance
Hey Dr had to get hearing aids about two yrs ago. My thoughts last the whole hearing aid business is a scam. I can hear every annoying sound in the world but talking to people they not worth 50 cent but cost lot more than that. No one in the world would convince me to buy anymore.
True dat ! Preach, brother !
This is so discouraging. 😢
Here are all the problems, what are the solutions?
What do you think about Beltone for hearing aids cuz that's what I have and they're expensive and they had my hearing aid set four and a half years that were wrong
After about 4 years hearing aids distort too much. In fact I don't use them anymore and Beltone is hounding me to upgrade. No way,
In switzerland I bought a Widex hearing aid it cost me the same cost of 14 Apple I Pad sheer rip off it died in two years.the aid is tiny and the electronics most likely do not cost more than a few dollars. I have just bought another Swiss one on the internet for less than one I pad and it seems as good if not better than the Widex. I understand resellers are upset that their fountain of cash will run dry now that the public will resent being Conned. Peter Pigott Mount Wilson Australia
I had the Widex brand of hearing aids. They were the replacement set after my frist set from MOXI reached five years old. One of the aids failed after two weeks of use. It took 6-8 weeks for the repairs. It also took 6-8 weeks from the time the AuD ordered them till they were delivered. That puts this deal already well beyond the 45 day warranty period. My AuD is trying to resolve the issues that I've listed and documented. Currently I'm still using my old MOXI hearing aids and they are working just fine after six years of constant use.
I was scammed by Decibel hearing aids. Lost $500.00. As a senior that really hurt! Thanks for your posts.
Sorry to hear that.
Dr Cliff, are you aware that the VA does not use Best Practices and that there are no Audiologists in Las Vegas who do use Best Practices. Any suggestions?
Unfortunately many of the audiologist offices are scamming us also. We were quoted multiple times the price of the hearing aids quoted elsewhere with the same - or better - audiology services. We're still looking around because we could lose as much as $8000 extra by going with the local audiologist - for an inferior product. They can turn buying a hearing aid into buying a new car...
Sorry to hear that you're having a negative experience. It can be a big investment so working with an audiologist who is trustworthy and follows best practices is key. That's why I started the HearingUp network. Check out the site for resources before you purchase: hearingup.com
@@DrCliffAuD Thank you for this list. I see there is one audiologist listed within a reasonable distance from my location. I have a question on the REM: This measurement is taken in the outer ear. Am I mistaken in thinking that most hearing loss involves the middle and inner ear - the tympanic and cochlear areas? How does REM evaluate these problems?
@@wborntrager6911 REM doesn't evaluate anything. It verifies that the amplification levels are at the prescriptive targets necessary to overcome an inner/middle ear hearing loss.
It all seems overwhelming
Now that you have described the scams, how do I know and choose a clinic. The market is flooded and most of them make huge claims.
Choose a clinic which is owned by an independent audiologist, not by a hearing aid company.
I wear Unitron hearing aids. I got them from an audiology company where they gave me all the tests and recommended them. Their price ranged from AU$4000 to AU$11000 per pair depending on the features you wanted. The base models were exactly the same unit as the top of the range model, the top model just having features activated that the lower models didn't have using software. You really can't tell me it costs AU$7000 to activate features by software. It's not a scam, but a ripoff. Respectable audiologist companies could easily knock thousands off their prices because: 1. They'd still make huge profits even at the lower prices, and 2. They know people are prepared to pay such huge prices because they think that huge price means they are getting something special, whereas they are just units that cost $100 or so to manufacture and the software makes the difference.
Online reviews are the new cancer of the techno age.
Number one is the outrages prices!!
I have returned 3 different brands , one was from a Nationally advertised business, one from QVC and another on line. So far I haven’t found one that actually is more than an amplifier.
Yep, most of those devices are complete garbage.
Can you tell me if Bossa hearing aids is a reputable company
Boxes is a scam.
Hello doctor Cliff.... I had brought a pair of Oticon hearing aids for my 3 and half year old kid in March 2021. They have issued me a kit of White box and am not sure if it's a genuine kit as am not able to find them on google. How do I confirm it? Can you please help me out on this as the audiologist and sales person say its genuine whereas few of them said its not.
Have you reviewed miracle ear devices ?
They are Signia hearing aids disguised as miracle ear, one of the most expensive franchise companies, don’t go.
Good job, Cliff. 👍
It's shame when you go to an ENT Dr and they sell you the highest price hearing aids because your insurance will cover most of it. That being said, The high priced hearing aids started acting up.( they had a 3 year warrantee.)At 2 1/2 years they developed a problem. I tried to get them fixed 3 different times. I was told It must be me and would not touch them until I came in for additional charges.
It was obvious they didn't want to fix them as the warrantee ran out in 6 months.
I wish I had found this channel prior to this encounter.
Is Bell tone good?
They could be depending on the professional you work with, however they are basically just locked Resound devices.
I actually know what I want in a hearing aid, I just can't find it.
1: Controlled by phone app, not me trying to touch buttons while it's on my ear (causing feedback while finding the secret button
2: Hearing aids in real life, but also can also be used BT to phone during call
3: Enhanced voices and NOTHING ELSE
4: rechargeable with a battery that last a day
5. Ability to read reviews on the App before buying the phone (app must be on android or apple store)
Optional:
- listen to music from phone
- Behind the ear instead of stuck in the ear
- recharges in a case that attaches to power with standard USB
- Hearing evaluation program
- ability to connect bluetooth to TV
My hearing aid from an audiologist enhances all kind of noise that interfere with me hearing someone talk
Siemens hearing aids will do everything you require
Is there any hearing aids that are OTC and under $400 that you would recommend?
My grandmother got hearing aids years ago and they did NOT do Real Ear or the test box thing, but she LOVED the hearing aids. She would comment on how happy she was that she got them. How did she get "scammed" in this scenario?
It sounds like she didn’t get scammed. Real ear isn’t always comparable with what your brain says sounds good. Todays technology is so good at match8ng what the person needs, along with a clear conversation about how they sound and a demo of hearing in background noise can usually produce good results. Our patients are happy! Or all the have to do is let us know and we will do what ever it takes to fix it.
From my experience as a hearing aid wearer, real ear isn’t a foolproof system that has to be used to get good results. It just helps.
I have had OTC aids for decades and they have worked perfectly. My issue is that the hearing aids don't have batteries. I have tried the others and they are terrible. I find it difficult to replace what I have so holding on to them as long as I can.
Pretty difficult to to rate a product as rubbish or not quite good value or anything negative about it when accepting money from said product, even when disclosing sponsorship arrangements, you have to admit
I recently got the Phonak Lumity Life hearing aids. I am very happy with them; they provide me with sounds close to normal hearing.
That is what I am looking for. I have a 4,000.00 .or more and I hear everything but what I need to hear. I go for admuzt.ants regularly and maybe a day.
I would assume the DSP used in hearing aids are not made by the hearing aid vendor but rather IC from big IC shops. So why would I not expect a low cost hearing aid to have an equalizer with decent performance, after all it is only Software. Likewise, 3d printing technology used in the profesional industry now have resolution to allow printing of hearing aid cases. So why the crazy high prices?
R&D, manufacturing, and marketing my friend.
I've been designing electronics for over 25 years - nothing quite as small as a CIC or IIC hearing aid, but the challenge is to get it this small (and avoid feedback). I have designed items as small as a BTE, though, and it cost very little. I work with components that measure just over 1/10 of 1 square mm. I would be shocked if the manufacturing cost and materials added up to more than $30 for a $4000 hearing aid no matter how complicated the manufacturing and regulatory processes are. (And by the way: Some DSPs are cheap now...) I understand adding a few hundred dollars for the audiologist visits, but the highest priced hearing aids should certainly not exceed $1000 per pair (including those visits). That price would even amortize in some very expensive development NRE considering the volumes sold. It's still a scam regardless of whether you buy the cheap junk or the good ones from an audiologist.
Oticon hearing aids will connect to phones and tablets but not windows PC without a separate device called a connect clip. This is like $150 - $200 extra
Unfortunately the legitimate hearing aid industry has insanely inflated prices for decades. Come on, I get that a hearing aid from an audiologist is going to have more technology and requires more service but there is a million times more technology in a cheap $250 smart phone than the most expensive hearing aid on the market. When there is a captive market for an item that has had obscene pricing for decades, scammers will crawl out of the woodwork to get a piece of the action. Once the OTC hearing aid was approved for sale, that was a siren call to scammers world wide. The legitimate audiologists and hearing aid manufacturers have nobody to blame but themselves for what is happening.
When you have a huge part of the population that would benefit from a hearing aid yet they don't get one because they don't have $5K just sitting around to pay for them, there is a big problem. There is absolutely no reason any hearing aid in existence should cost more than $1K. Honestly I hope the OTC market dramatically collapses the high end hearing aid market. It has been needed for a long time.
Prescription hearing aid sales have actually increased since the release of OTCs in October of 2022. OTC will not exhibit any downward price pressure on Rx hearing aids. In fact, most OTC hearing aid companies will struggle to turn any kind of profit because acquisition costs are too high to turn a profit. I predict that most of the OTC hearing aid companies that exist today will be out of business in 3-5 years unless they are owned by the Prescription hearing aid manufacturers as loss-leader devices for Rx hearing aids. There is a reason why Bose terminated their hearing aid division after less than 1-year of launching their Bose SoundControl hearing aids.
@@DrCliffAuD You did not repond o the other point raised by David Moris. The outrageous prices of the RX hearing aids (they do not have more tchnology than a $500 smart phone) and the huge difference in prices between audiologist: A Phonax model are at two diffrent audiologist was $4400 vs $6900 - so there is so much price gouging by some audiologist. Costco has also demonstrated that they can sell decently priced brand name hearing aids at half the price. SO the Audiologists and Hearing Aid manufacturers have to clean up their act.
@@fooBar55 anything "medical device" related is a scam.
And Bose is a marketing company not an innovator. There was a reason their speaker displays were separated from the other speakers on display. It's too hard for them to make something good so they threw in the towel😂
So what are the reliable brand names for hearing aids? Are they Apple, Samsung, Mi, HP, Toyota, Mazda? The planet has over 7 billions of people and no one makes good brand name hearing aids? It must be a rat race!
I only wanting a dog race!
@@jakexgold3879 there’s 6 top manufacturers. Phonak, Oticon, Widex, Starkey, ReSound, and i think Signia is also if im not mistaken,.. I think the best price deal is the lyric subscription, i unfortunately wasn’t a candidate but still trying to get them back anyway because i have had no luck with anything else at all.. I hate digital hearing aids for the life of me
Hearing Life said $5k plus for a pair.
Audicus was $2500.00 for the same device.
Use a CC so you can challenge the charge.
Phonak and other extremely pricey hearing aids are also made in China. Many in the same factory as the cheap hearing aids. The cheap hearing aids are also not just “amplifiers”. They have the same chips and smart technology. The relevance of high priced Audiologists pushing overpriced products is coming to an end. Phonak has been producing hearing aids in their manufacturing facility in Suzhou, China since 2003.
Weird. I wonder what all of the manufacturer equipment was for when I visited their Swiss headquarters? 🤔 I'm not sure you actually know what is really going on in the Rx Hearing Aid manufacturing world. Please, just go use those cheap "amplifiers" that perform identical to Rx hearing aids. No need to even watch my channel. I'm sure you'll do great with them!
@@DrCliffAuD Actually I am not sure you really know what is going on. Phonak has been producing hearing aids in their manufacturing facility in Suzhou, China since 2003.
Where is a good place to donate my dad's hearing aid?
It this qualify as a scam? Hearing Aid manufactors advertise their products that have an app and within 2 years you can't use this app anymore because the manufactor does not support the app any longer.
Sounds like every Garmin watch I've ever had. Not sure it's a scam, it is just a crappy example of technological advancement.
@@DrCliffAuD A garmin costs $300 while a Hearing aid cost $4000 to $6000 - you cant compare the two. This is not technology advancement but HA Manufacturers not providing the service they were paid for. My 8 year iphone still works with the last version which is typically updated for 5 years. I rather lose $200 in scam than a have my $4500 hearing aid having its app fail after 3 years.
So it sounds to me like you are saying all OTC hearing aids are scams because they are much cheaper and are inferior to prescription hearing aids. Unfortunately many seniors like myself who need them can't afford prescription hearing aids because insurance does not cover them. I just got through spending $300 on Audien Atom Pro 2 hearing aids which hasn't shipped yet. I'll have 45 days to try them out.
What about hearing aides from big box stores like sam’s and Costco ? Person aat costco told me he did not go to school for hearing but had “on the job training “!
i got a $6,500 pair of Starkey hearing aids from Lisingston Hearing Aid center in El Paso, Tx in early 2022, I was told that even though I was relocating to Europe I would be able to get updates, and adjustents from local distribuitors, or at the Livingston location remotely. The devices which were suppose to be the latest technology AI assisted devices, only amplified all sounds and noises, and did not help my hearing at all. Nothing they told me was true. They were not able to provide me with adjustments, remotely, nor were there any distribuitors in my location in Portugal. Scams abound folks. Buyer beward. I feel like a big fool.
Is bossa TX-5 mini legitimate?
I'd like to know too
No. Its a scam.
The second scam with the online articles is the one I hate the most. Thankfully, about 95% of the time, it’s easy to tell the scam reviews. When you read an article about, for example, the best aids for profound loss and you see some $500 aid in the third position, it’s pretty obvious.
A profound deaf hearing aid can cost over $ 7,500.- I'll do without it!
@@bobboscarato1313 I have profound loss on one side and serious loss on the other, along with terrible word recognition on the profound side, so I need profound just to get up to a poor hearing level. I got top of the line Widex aids in October. $6800 for the pair and they are the best I’ve had (Oticon before). I’m lucky in that my insurance (Medicare supplement) provides $5000 every three years, so I was out of pocket $1800. Still a huge amount, but at least manageable.
Think alot of people can do not have the money , so they go online for hope of better hearing or like me and do without .
Of course you sell very expensive hearing aids so they are going to buy a cheap hearing online. All hearing aids are amplifiers,make the sound more louder in basic. My insurance only paid $300 and cost of the hearing aids average between $3000 to $5000
Sounds like I'll have to do without but Thanks you save me $$$$$$$$$
why are these hearing aid gadgets better than a stereo mic/ ipone / cubase / shure IEM professional 4 amped earbuds + waves plugins and convolution?????
I am a backer for linker Nova through Indiegogo. Waiting for the product. Those first 400 backers more than 50 percent are not happy. Can you please do some research and do a video on them. Their customer service is so pathetic they keep delaying the shipments and not answering for refund requests. Thank you.
I finally got through to you Dr. Cliff . Google just stopped me from telling you something.
As an Audiologist you will naturally downgrade any type of OTC hearing device in favor of more expensive professional brands. To do otherwise would hurt your own livelyhood.
You do understand that I get PAID by brands to promote their OTC Hearing aids AND I sell them myself right?
But isn't also true that since technology is getting cheaper manufacturers are also able to build better devices with higher technology and pass these saving to consumers...specially with IOT everything from smart homes to simple mp3 car audio, cell phones, most people worldwide are getting the benefits of these technologies at a reasonable prices...say for example..(by the way I live in Ecuador now) here in this country everybody has access to a smartphone.. a good smartphone for about 130 bucks...so thechnology is cheap now...i believe some of these device are being sold as PREMIUM devices when they are just advance technology...So the scam does not always come from these companies that are selleing lower level technology, but come from companies selling these so call high level technology...I believe the best measure of technology is to look at the DATA SHEET of these devices and to actually see the components used that justify the higher price..such as cpus memory circuitry etc...keep up the good work...
I suppose all that's true, but somehow it all sounds like the lead-in to a sales pitch for your own product.
The real scam is that the technology is very and always unpredictable no matter the brand or price level. Don’t count on any of them working the same way hour after hour day after day. From one moment to another. Every day is a new day of disappointment and frustration. I’m actually glad that Bluetooth died. He can’t come up with new ways to ruin my life.
Any information source that carries advertising - especially magazines and branded news websites - is simply unlikely to be providing unbiased product information.
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Why do you hate the BBB? Is it because of the way they push you to get rated by them... for a fee?
Yup. Total 100% pay to play.
If it wasn't for the VA I wouldn't have hearing aids at all.
Why do hearing aid company's products not follow Moore's Law that says "technology doubles every couple of years and the cost halves." All hearing aids have done is sky rocket in price. :(
No theydo not follow Moore's Law. Also, there is an important difference between the amount of transistors in an integrated circuit, and hearing aids which is the professional service required to ensure their optimal performance. Besides, adjusted for inflation, hearing aids are significantly less expensive than they used to be.
Most people on only social security cannot afford those overpriced hearing aids that on want to sell I know I cannot afford to put car payment in my ears
What is a hearing aid .....a little amplifier even if you make a more sophisticated and include frequencies the truth is these should be manufactured in a modern society for a few dollars? There a great scam.
I am an Indian a doctor here gived my father hearing aid of rs 45,000 do they cost that much
The best thing you can do about this is to consult with qualified professionals and specialists. Do not buy into these scams. Read the small prints. Most of these reviews are actors portrayed and they were paid by the promoter to sell their products.
I'm really tired of being laughed at by this question but it is a genuine question: can any hearing aids made nowadays be made WITHOUT the bluetooth function ? It's utterly exhausting to wear bluetooth all day around my brain just to participate in the world. I miss the analog hearing aids that gave me zero headaches. This is my chief complaint.
Is it reasonable to pay $500 per year for hearing aid service plan?
Us old, poor folks just aren't meant to hear. :(
My abig 3 warnings! FREE HEARING TEST, $1,000.00 off certificate, and PARTICPATE IN OUR RESEARCH TRIAL.
What about miracle ear? I read they have board certified hearing specialist that work there. Is this a good place?
Doctor Cliff, are Nano hearing aids legit ???
In my opinion, based on their history, no.
@@DrCliffAuD based on this planet of ape history, this whole planet is looking foolish!
@@DrCliffAuD
The real scam is that all these hearing aid companies buy the hearing aids at a fraction the cost they resell them to you
Doesn't this happen in every industry?
The ENTS claim it is their overhead that makes their prices so high.brick and motar, and all the salaries they have to pay.
ஆடியோ கிராம் செய்வது உண்மை தன்மை கொண்ட தா?
The FREE HEARING TEST SCAM: You visit an audiologist for a free hearing test. The audiologist gives you a hearing test, but also goes ahead reprograms the hearing aids. Next you are walked to the front desk and told to pay $200. You ask, "why? I thought the hearing test was free."
The audiologist says, "Yes, but I reprogrammed your hearing aids and that cost $200.
STICK TO YOUR GUNS by insisting that the hearing test was free and that you never agreed to pay for reprograming. The audiologist now has to let you walk out no charge.
I don't trust the entire hearing aid industry.
I have not been impressed with ANY brand or model of hearing aid I've had in my ears. And I have demo'd all Premium Models. They all sound about the same. The hearing aids alter the sound entering the ear in an unnatural way ... not compensating for the hear loss itself, but artificially boosting frequencies in an attempt to boost the human voice frequencies. The problem with that is that in a crowded room with many humans producing human voice frequencies, ALL of those voices are being boosted ... even with the focused mic settings. Noises that you may not really hear in the first place, like clanging dishes and dinner ware (in a restaurant) are now boosted making hearing a human voice even more difficult that without the hearing aids. If you depend on the accuracy of what enters your ears such as with a musician, live sound engineer, or a recording engineer, you'd be better off not having any such device in your ear. So, I think that before I had any measurable hearing loss, I had difficulty hearing someone speaking in a noisy, crowded room ... no hearing aid is going to fix that. That was my primary complaint in the first place. If you need accuracy of sound, you are not going to get that either, ESPECIALLY, when all you have to tailor the sound is a 3 band EQ? Really?? As far as SCAMs are concerned, my Audiologist, in an ENT Clinic sells their premium hearing aids for THOUSANDS of dollars more than my local Costco or Independent Hearing Center, which is also overpriced. All of that is so discouraging, I think that just giving up all together on the purchase is the best choice.
It saddens me to hear this. I just really think you need an excellent and trustworthy provider.
miracle ear is the biggest scam
I am sorry to say that I can not understand what you say. I request you to pl send me the material by posts or to arrange your message in simple and Louder manner.and also in Punjabi language.
Sorry once again.
I would send you the lightning strikes!
I suggest you find a Punjabi company instead.