For those of you wondering where certain game are, we explain it at 25:43! If you wanna see a deeper dive into the Sonic Timeline, we can definitely piece together an absolutely complete version, including all of Sonic Team's games! Let us know in the comments below. Also, what do you guys prefer 2D or 3D Sonic?
“He encounters Mecha Sonic, not to be confused with Metal Sonic.” *proceeds to not even talk about Metal Sonic’s debut game, Sonic CD despite being canon.*
But sonic mania conclusion ends up with sonic going into a portal and by the time he is out of the portal boom! He saves tails and joins the force to stop evil!
@@sebastianfontanez1081 You're not wrong: the shirt I picked was a deliberate choice since it had some Sonic blues/whites and a dash of golden yellow for rings. Fun little easter egg for ya. ;)
Also, thank you for calling this out! I almost did a totally different intro to make a gag out of that fact, but seeing this is WAY more satisfying. :D
The only part of 06’ that’s really canon is establishing Silver as a time cop to be a reoccurring character so he and Blaze can come back for the olympics, and just Silver for forces.
The comics actually do a pretty good job of connecting all the games, also address inconsistencies by introducing a multiverse. Sonic absorbs the chaos emeralds when he becomes super
The Sonic series running on multiverse theory helps me organize things. Plus, we're getting that Sonic Villains fan-film out of it, so that'll be cool.
I have doubts if "introducing a multiverse" would be doing a good job here... I mean it can be done right but at the same time it seems to me that it's usually just a lazy solution which isn't better on solving problems than on causing them...
Throughout the Series it is known that Eggman holds Several assets: - Doctor-Title - Global Enterprise - Casinos - Oil Fields - Robot Armies Its wouldn't surprise me if we would find out he is one of the most wealthiest people on Mobius.
I still love the Shadow saga (SA2, SH, Shadow the Hedgehog) and REALLY hope the third movie does him justice, especially given people working on it worked in those games. Also, I may be a Nintendo kid first but his time on the GameCube blurred the 90s console war battle lines enough that it doesn't matter these days
I always loved that the original series had different versions of robotic Sonic, demonstrating that Robotnik has been learning from his battles with him how to better replicate his abilities.
Actually, they retconned that and made it take place after Sonic 3 and kunckles so that it could be used as a prequel to Sonic 4. Sonic Mania takes place after CD.
@@HenshinAcademy I may be misremembering, but I remember the developers of sonic 4 stating that they made Sonic CD take place after Sonic 3 Saga because they weren't sure of where to put it. It was part of the reason Tails was added to the game in the XBLA and phone ports. I may have to do some digging though.
Christain Whitehead stated cd before 2 Hence why 1 and cd play similar and how 3k takes place directly after cd Plus even if cd is a so called prequel doesn't mean it can't be placed before 2
@@jomppidev1845 mania happens after generations when sonic goes back to his timeline. Then classic eggman finds the phantom ruby uses it to go back in time to iconic and new zones. During that sonic finds the chaos emeralds and fights a big metal sonic and other stuff. He finds eggman in some robot spider. Sonic beats it then the phantom ruby sends him to a dimension with a three way battle between king boiled heavy. (The leader of the boiled heavies) and eggman. (Eggman uses the phantom ruby on 6 or 7 regular badniks at the start of the game on them and that's how they become the boiled heavies) sonic is in the 3 way battle too. He defeats them both as super sonic. The phantom ruby goes haywire, returning sonic into his base form then sending the chaos emeralds away then sending sonic into a portal with the phantom ruby. Sonic goes into forces and modern eggman finds the phantom ruby and then the rest of forces story happens
The timelines aren’t “classic” & “modern” tho. The modern games take place directly after the classic games And they didn’t mention Sonic CD, Amy & Metal Sonic’s first game. A second timeline happens after classic sonic meets modern sonic in Sonic Generations, where the timeline splits thanks to time travel and leads into Sonic Mania, Sonic Forces (classic Sonic) & Sonic Mania Plus.
Gotta love the original classic sonic games, but for me the two Sonic Adventure games and Sonic Heroes will ALWAYS ALWAYS be my absolute favorite sonic games of all time.
Oh, so the classic games take place in a different timeline. Riiiiiight. Never mind the fact that Sonic Adventure references both Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Sonic CD. Oh, and to answer your question, they do fix the moon. You can clearly see the moon, intact, near the end of Sonic Colors, but it's never explained when or how it was fixed. (Although, it is explained in the Sonic X anime) It's likely that SEGA simply forgot it was broken.
+Ultimate Gamer Two worlds is a blatant shoehorned retcon. Before Sonic Forces, it was NEVER implied that Sonic lived on a different planet once the Japanese continuity was established as the standard continuity. Sega of Japan had EVERY intention to erase the American continuity; which includes Mobius. The earlier 3D games made occasional references that implied that the events of the 2D games happened on Earth. Sonic himself was stated to be from Christmas Island in the Japanese continuity; said island is on Earth.
+Knuckles "Then Sonic Adventure has Sonic on a planet of humans, without an explanation" Which should be a big give away the games were always intended to take place on Earth (until Forces's retcon, of course). Little Planet is even referenced outside of Amy's flashback; by a random human, in the Japanese version; as if it was a part of Earth. The problem with trying to use Sonic X as a fill-in-gap is that they had to change some details just to fit the concept of two worlds in THAT continuity (let alone things that are never mentioned outside of Sonic X; like the Egg Fort and Sonic racing against formula cars). The fact he was intended to have Madonna as a human girlfriend; until Sega of America shot down the idea, suggests humans were always intended to live alongside Sonic's species. The early Dic cartoons were based on the american continuity; meaning they took place on Mobius. Back when the American continuity was considered canon to the North American versions of the games. Said American continuity was eventually exiled. Planet Freedom is implied to be a future version of Earth. As in they used to live on the ground; potentially alongside humans, and then moved to the islands in the sky. Some of the manga is probably no longer canon or wasn't intended to be canon to the games; especially the one with the early version of Amy Rose. Sonic Boom is its own continuity. The fact there aren't many humans in that continuity may have been partially influenced by people complaining about humans existing alongside Sonic (Chris Thorndyke and Elise really provided fuel for those complaints). IDW Sonic has mandates slapped all over it; Sega even has a tighter grip on IDW Sonic than they did with Archie Sonic. If the comic writers are required to promote Ilzuka's two worlds retcon, then they don't have much of a choice in the manner. The sonic movie seems like it is desperately trying to make it look like Yuji Naka himself planned for two worlds to exist in the Sonic games or at the very least attempt to justify the sloppy retcon; despite the earlier games going against that idea. It doesn't help Sonic seems a bit out of character in the first movie trailer; suddenly no longer caring about property damage; even though he likely holds his speed back in the games because of that. Archie Sonic was originally based on the Sonic SatAm universe. The SatAm elements were gradually reduced over time; with the writers introducing the idea of Mobius being future Earth. With there being alternate reality versions of the planet (Anti-Sonic; eventually Scourge, being from one of those alternate worlds. Also with Robo Robotnik; who becomes modern Eggman). Ironically, Mobius's name was eventually stricken from the comics towards the end and was reduced to just being "Sonic's world". The light reboot further required the writers to make Archie Sonic more akin to the games.
In an SXSW panel last year i think they were asked this question by a fan he said ''in sonic adventure 2 the moon was destroyed in half so why at the beginning of the shadow the hedgehog opening the moon is still intact'' they would use the excuse that the moon was just facing the other direction but when they were live I think Takashi Iizuka was under pressure and simply stated that the team overlooked it. take what i say with a grain of salt but thats what i heard
aparently in Sonic blue and black and red are the same color? aswell as green and red.... and... alot of other things are the same in that universe if they are being confused for one another
Maybe they’re literally color blind, though I’m not sure how this would work for things like the Chaos Emeralds and other color-coded nonsense lol. It’s just a really, really stupid oversight.
Missing Sonic CD is unacceptable when it comes to a Sonic the Hedgehog timeline. Why? Because you're missing; 1 - Sonic's first time traveling adventure. 2 - Introduction of Amy Rose. 3 - Introduction of Metal Sonic. 4 - Introduction of Little Planet that appears one month out of the year over Never Lake (I mean for goodness sake, one of the first games you can play Metal Sonic for several Acts takes place on this planet). 5 - Introduction of Time Stones (and the only VG appearance of them as Sonic doesn't need to use them in Sonic 4 nor in Mania). * Irreverent to the timeline * - The first Sonic game ( *Correct me if I'm wrong* ) that has two different sound tracks. I'm sure there's more in Sonic CD that are a first in the timeline. Then not piecing in Mania for a Sept. 2019 video? Come on.
Sonic cd is canon because this is the first game amy rose came from. Sonic mania and forces came after sonic cd and sonic 3. Sonic and knuckles would connect to sonic adventure. The guy who made this video has alot to learn about sonic. Judging from his reactions to the story, he probably knows sonic initially from sonic adventure.
Sorry bruhs, the comics show that classic and modern sonic are from different dimensions. The "Amy Rose" that makes its first appearance in Sonic CD is acually named Rosy. The Sonic the hedgehog comics even show her and Amy as two characters on the cover of issue 194.
@@criticalsausage Rosy the Rascal is Amy Rose's nickname from back in Sonic CD (game canon). That is completely unrelated to the "Anti Amy/Rosy the Rascal" in issue 194. That's the Archie comic's addition to the Sonic Universe. Sonic Team had no mention of this anti-Amy this whooooole time and she's only been a thing since that issue came out in, what, 2007? Speaking solely of Archie comic adaptions, In Issue 25, it's clear as day that Amy was the one on the island looking for Sonic, and she's the one who was kidnapped by Metal. If it was Anti-Amy/Rosy the Rascal in CD, she wouldn't have been running after Sonic with loving eyes, she would have been chasing him with a hammer trying to attack him.
@@criticalsausage I agree with you on that, trust me. It's clear that after Sonic Adventures 2, a whole new dimension is shown..then Sonic Generations came out and showed it as well. I just don't agree that Sonic CD shouldn't be part of this video and the fact that Anti-Amy is just a new addition, but is Amy in Sonic CD is *not* Anti-Amy.
my dad plays sonic but doesn't know about the storyline, so I'm searching for a simplified version for him to understand my love with shadow and silver
@@whiteroses560 lmfaoo thanks for making me remember this, i used to be so hyperfixated on sonic but that hyperfixation drifted to yugioh gx like last year XD glad to see another fellow gx fan :D
Sonic Adventure 2 is my favorite game of all time. I love the treasure hunting, especially in space. Treasure hunting in space really made me love astronomy and rekindled my love for the stars!
I’m currently playing sonic adventure, sonic adventure 2, sonic generation and I don’t think I’ve ever sworn so much 🤣 I think if I was a character I’d want to be , I would be rouge. Great synopsis for sonic and the games. Congrats
The Moon is explained as "we're seeing the half that didn't get blown up", as in the Moon rotated 90 Degrees so that we see the moon's full shape despite losing it's other half.
Idk why everyone hate 06 so much,yes,the game was awfully hurried up and i personally HATE controls,you get killed most times because of glitching,but the storyline itself is pretty interesting exactly because its so complex,only the ending is a bit eh to me,really unnecessary losing memories and stuff,i think multiple timelines stuff is rly cool thing to dive in
Same but I do get the part where people complain about the gameplay not being the best with all the glitches but the actually story itself was a pretty interesting concept I liked
As far as i know - Sonic Riders series is not canon. It is kinda modern (because of it's style) but it's not in modern canon. I dunno if that makes sense what i just said xD
well, all sonic stories are almost self contain, so everything can fit. hmm, maybe, now that I think about it, it's not canon because of nights and aiai are there?, silver is in the game too but that just means more time travel.
I finally got Sonic CD on Steam. Can't believe I overlooked it. It's got a storyline that intrigues me. Plus, I like Amy so I can learn how they met and how she formed a one-sided crush on Sonic.
thats sort of true but not really. since generations explicitly states that they're different versions, yet adventure acts as if sonic 1, 2, 3+K, and cd all still happened, the best explanation is that all the events from the classic timeline still happen in the modern timeline off screen. the creators wanted to build off of the lore and maintain past relationships and characters, and remaking those games just to put a new modern sprite in is a stupid idea. so they just made the timeline split to justify both. this is supported by the 3D green hill zone in SA2B existing in the modern timeline with slight differences to it since its 3D. the small differences is what solidifies them as seperate as well.
@@iamlordapollo I was always under the impression it was one timeline, with the different character designs simply being a change of art style. Generations even makes it clear that 'Classic Sonic' is just Sonic as a child. It's only in Forces that the implication comes that they're different characters, specifically when Tails refers to him as "that Sonic from another dimension". I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that was either a mistranslation or simply poor choice of wording either
@@Montymole_360 your are correct about generations and forces referring to classic in different ways that appear to contradict each other. I think we can all agree that this change was a result of both sides of the elitist fandoms displeasure at linking the two Sonic's together as the same character, and forces establishing them as different was a hasty patch job. What you are describing is actually how I came to the conclusion stated above. If classic is from a different "dimension" but is also Sonic as a child, we have no choice but to accept both facts as true since they come from Canon material. Therefore the only logical conclusion is that modern Sonic as a child had all the same adventures as classic, they just weren't on screen. And we're prob 3d lol Edit: I also think it was originally intended to be one timeline, but as time went on, the difference between them became so vast that it stopped making sense, and making them two different characters was the easy solution.
@@iamlordapollo that makes sense. You have to wonder how they managed to make the timeline for the adventures of a cartoon hedgehog so bloody complicated! 😂
@@Montymole_360 I'm with ya there my friend. If mania 2 comes out and references any of the modern games other than forces all bets are off. My hypothesis is purely based on taking the evidence given to it's natural conclusion since there is no hard proof until we see a younger modern Sonic in chemical plant zone or something. I think converting the original trilogy into 3d would be an awesome prequel game. Green Hill zone in SA2B was janky, but it supports my theory that the two Sonics exist independently while still having similar adventures. If I had to guess, id say the timeline splits after S3&K. Modern goes on to adventure 1, and classic goes to 4 and mania. In fact, I haven't played them, but maybe the advance games shed some light on the subject?
Technically the classic games are a separate timeline and part of the modern timeline, like in Sonic Adventure there is a line where Sonic says that Eggman tricked Knuckles again. Also in Sonic Generations, Sonic and Tails both find the classic stages from the first three games too. Besides those little details, this video is great! 👍🏻
Timeline: Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) - Sonic's Beginnings. Eggman was Robotnik Sonic CD - Introduces Amy Rose and Metal Sonic. Came out after Sonic 2, but takes place before Sonic 2 Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - Super Sonic and Tails are introduce Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles - Master Emerald, Angel Island and Knuckles are introduce (Sonic 3D Blast and Knuckles Chaotix) - Flickies and the Chaotix enter Sonic Adventure - Tikal, Big, Chaos, and Chao. Learn a bit of Knuckles past. Robotnik becomes Eggman. (Sonic Advance 1-2) Cream and Cheese Sonic Adventure 2 - Shadow, Rouge, Gerald Robotnik, Maria introduce. Shadow "dies." Sonic Heroes- Chaotix comback, Shadow is alive with amnesia (doesn't care) , Omega is introduced, and Metal Sonic is villian (Sonic Battle) - Gerald Robotnik journals are in this game. Gizoid Emerl is introduced. Also Shadow is sick in this game. (Sonic Advance 3) G-merl is here Shadow The Hedgehog - Shadow cares about amnesia. Black arm aliens are introduced. Shadow learns Black doom is his daddy Sonic Rush- Blaze and Eggman Nega are introduced (from another dimension) along with Sol Emeralds Sonic 06* (Sonic visited Soleanna because he heard the food is good) - Sliver's here (Sonic Rivals) - Silver comes back (Sonic Rush Adventure) - Sonic and Tails go to Blaze's dimension Sonic Unleashed - Sonic's planet is destroyed and sonic becomes wolfy hedgy during night. Sonic Colors - Wisps are here. Eggman makes theme park on Wisp planets. Sonic Generations - Eggman messes up timeline with the Time eater. Meet classic Sonic and Tails who is also from another dimension? Sonic Lost world - Zeti are here. Also there's a moble game that explains why whisps are on sonic's planet now. Sonic Mania - Phantom Ruby is introduce. Explains why classic Sonic is in Forces. Other classic Sonic characters come back, like Mighty from Knuckles Chaotix. Sonic Forces - Infinite and your OC is Introduce.
The Sonic two timelines are not “classic” & “modern”. The two timelines are The main timeline, Sonic 1 - Forces The mania timeline, Sonic 1 - Sonic 3&K normally then Classic Generations splits the timeline into Mania, Forces (Classic) & Mania Plus
@Classic Sonic The “mania timeline” is part of the “main timeline” up until the time travel shenanigans after of Generations, in which “classic Sonic” enters white space sometime after Sonic 2 and 3 cause he knows Tails and 3 directly follows 2, and sometime before Sonic Adventure cause he can’t spin dash yet. Sonic Forces also happens for “classic Sonic” in between Sonic Mania and Sonic Mania Plus. The “Mania timeline branch” starts after Sonic 3 with Sonic Generations as the point of variation. Dark time energy follows “Classic Sonic” through the portal to his new timeline branch and creates the phantom ruby. One day “classic Eggman” discovers a new powerful gem under the ground of Angel Island and sends 5 Egg-robo’s to fetch it, at the same time “classic Tails” picks up the signal and follows it, then the events of Sonic Mania happens. “classic Sonic” gets all the chaos emeralds as the Phantom ruby takes him on an adventure exploring new and old locations (like he did in Sonic Generations). With all the emeralds in hand “classic super Sonic” defeats “classic Eggman” and the phantom king and releases the ruby from their grasp, but the ruby has been guiding him through this journey, it pulls the chaos emeralds out of “classic super Sonic” and performs chaos control, opening a portal through Space and time, leading back to the main timeline that it’s energy was originally from. It goes through the portal, quickly followed by “classic Sonic “, but the seconds difference of them entering the portal turned into months in between them arriving at their destination. And so “modern Eggman” finds the phantom ruby on his doorstop (Sonic Forces comic) and the events of Sonic Forces start. Months later Eggman takes over and omega gets destroyed by infinite who now welds the phantom ruby, tails goes to fix him but is attacked by chaos, and that moment is when classic Sonic finally reaches the end of the portal, months after the ruby. Then Sonic Forces ends with the ruby and “classic Sonic” disappearing. “Classic Sonic” comes through a portal back to his timeline, the phantom ruby follows, the phantom king and the hard boiled heavy’s get revived, “classic Sonic” works with mighty and ray again (who he met in SegaSonic the Hedgehog), he goes on a very similar adventure, defeats “classic Eggman” again, but in the end the phantom ruby overloads the systems, Sonic and friends get out safely, but poor Eggman gets gets sucked up with his base, and the whole timeline is possibly consumed, but Official classic Sonic comics were made to following the Sonic Mania gang, so everybody’s (even Eggman, and the heavy king) end up being fine. Maybe the timeline had the phantom ruby removed from it. Now some of this relies on theory’s, but it makes sense and I dont know why I’d never heard this theory. The Time-eater was made of dark time energy, it could distort time and can create portals very similar to the phantom ruby, which distorts space throughout Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces. So I believe after it gets defeated in Sonic Generations, some of it’s energy remains and follows “classic Sonic” to his new timeline and grows it’s energy on Angel Island, a place with dirt nourished by the master emerald. I believe the “dark time energy” wanted revenge on the two Sonics that destroyed it’s body, so it puts pawns in motion to destroy them both by leading “classic Sonic” back to the “main timeline” where the other Sonic resided, but in the end good always triumphs evil, and it probably didn’t account for the “avatar” helping Sonic. This was a lot of text…. Sorry, lol. I know and think way too much about Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces….
As a lifelong superfan of Sonic, this was great. I started with Sonic 2, getting to the level of "Super Sonic by Zone 2, ridiculous speedrun finish" levels, and once Sonic 3 came out, I knew I was hooked. Haven't played much of the newer games, but Sonic is still a hero to me, Tails is still a beloved sidekick, and blue(cerulean blue) is still my fanatically favorite colour. Just like with eating pizza.....I just say "I loved watching TMNT too much as a kid." 😁
Sonic Colors: "Tails is under mind control! Oh, no! Will Sonic have to fight his best friend!? Nope. He gets better immediately, and it's like it never happened." Sonic Lost World: "Tails has been turned into a mech! Oh, no! Will Sonic have to--nope. He gets better immediately, and it's like it never happened."
This video kinda sucks. It’s 26 minutes of going over purely the story of the mainline titles which I’m pretty sure we all know about at this point. There’s many games that you missed out on that are canon to the series. Sonic CD is set between Sonic 1 and 2, and introduces Amy Rose and Metal Sonic. It’s referenced in Adventure and Generations so I don’t get why you skipped it. Sonic Advance 2 is set at some point prior to Sonic Heroes, it introduces Cream the Rabbit. Sonic Battle is a continuation of the Adventure arc, taking place after Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic Advance 3 is a continuation of Sonic Battle so it takes place afterwards. Sonic Rush introduces Blaze and is referenced in Generations. It’s sequel is also presumably canon. The Sonic Rivals games reintroduce Silver why explains why he still makes appearances after the events of Sonic 2006 were erased. Sonic and the Secret Rings is referenced in Sonic Generations, therefore it and Black Knight must be canon. Sonic Mania takes place at some point before Sonic Forces in the Classic dimension. I’m guessing it takes place after Classic returns to his time after the events of Sonic Generations meaning Modern Sonic doesn’t remember the events of Mania but Classic does. The Encore Mode of the game takes place after Sonic Forces in the Classic Dimension. There are soooo many obvious games that you missed and there are better videos that go into more detail and don’t just recap the stories we already know.
Polocatfan All sonic games are canon except for maybe chronicles. Most games or half of the games are mentioned or referenced in some way in the series. Yes including 06.
Yeah they're all in the same timeline, they keep acknowledging each other as if they happened. Any non canon game, any game that screws with lore.....some characters fever dream.
Classic Sonic leaving in forces be like : change da world, my final message *Goodbye* Edit: How did this get 46 likes . Second edit: what. The actual. *FU-*
Does anyone else agree that a better storyline feature for Sonic lost worlds would be that robotnik really died, and after the adventure Sonic gets the help of Silver to time travel to rescue Eggman, in return for literally saving sonic’s life?
I’m going to have to say that in between sonic 3 and knuckles and sonic adventure they do intertwine because sonic refers to knuckles being tricked by eggman as if he’s already been tricked before therefore the classic era and the beginning of the modern era Are in the same universe
The modern era is post sonic 06. The reboot set sonic in a new canon after shadow the hedgehog's ending. The new canon is garbage. They should have realised with how bad 06 was it would have been better to pretend ther reboot didn't happen and set the next game after the events of shadow the hedgehog. Oh well, SEGA has been run by idiots for the past 15 years, that's why their company is dying and they're going to be bought by a bigger company sooner or later.
Going back to the whole Sonic Forces event near the end, I've always thought that SEGA should've pulled a "Minecraft: Story Mode" and still have given the Avatar character a gender-neutral name like "Buddy" or "Rook" and an actual voice with lines and such, each voice would depend on what gender and what voice pitch/tone you have chosen for your avatar (again, ALOT like what Minecraft: Story Mode did with Jesse). I feel like it would've given the story more depth and let us get to know our avatar even more. Wouldn't you agree?
I'm pretty sure that the 2d era is canon with Modern Era. Saying that classic sonic is from another dimension might be wrong. In Sonic Generations Green Hill Zone and Chemical plant zone were noticeable to both the modern day Sonic and Tails, Plus Tails did bring up that they're fighting enemies from their past. Which clarifies that Classic Sonic in Generations is Modern day Sonic past.
Actually, the one from Sonic 2 is originally named "Mecha Sonic" in Japan. The comics gave him the name Silver Sonic in order to not confuse him with the one from 3&K and everyone just went with it. Personally, I think Robo Sonic is a much better name for him.
ShadowTheSanta it was revealed in later games that the gravity of the moon forced the other side to begin facing earth. Which is still bullshit because the moon revolves and we see both sides of it regularly, and the dark side of the moon is simply a myth.
We need a game where sonic, silver, and shadow are all playable like sonic heroes but egg man accidentally creates a superhuman hedgehog using the chaos emeralds and sonic, silver, and shadow’s dna and chaos is his sidekick and the trio goes to defeat him.
I like the floating island concept as well as the Gerald Robotnic plots and backstory 👌they could definitely create realism with this plot in a Sonic 2 movie 👍🔥🔥🔥🔥💯
Classic Sonic is just younger Modern Sonic in 'Generations' just as Eggman refers to his classic self as himself from the past, and the two Tails' confirmed that they were traveling through time and space hence, visiting places from their past. The Genesis/Megadrive Trilogy follow a linear path up to the Modern games from "Sonic the Hedgehog 1" all the way to "Sonic Generations". Forces is the game that screwed everything up by saying that classic Sonic is from another dimension, which "can" be understood as another timeline, but I always wondered if this was just a pun. Classic Sonic technically is from the 2nd Dimension (2D) and Modern Sonic is from the 3rd Dimension or (3D), which "are" different dimensions. Either way I'll stick with the way the timeline was told from Generations, that there has always been one continuous timeline from then to now.
well if you think about how time travel theory works you cant ever travel back to the exact point in time in your own demention because that would create a paradox on so many levels. even a micro level would be a ton; thus the butterfly effect. Tails is right when he says other demention. Sonic Generations never happend before it happend for both parties; modern and classic. If so tails and sonic would have known what day and time and everything that was about to happen.
If you guys are wondering about sonic mania, it happens right before sonic forces. After Classic Sonic destroys Eggman, he goes into a portal with Classic Tails and Classic Knuckles waiting for him outside the deathegg (this is why you don’t see them in forces) which leads the end of the game as a cliffhanger but it continues when you see him in Forces.
Just a curious thing to point out. If Sonic Adventure is Canon wouldn't that make sonic CD Canon as well. There's a point in Sonic Adventure where Amy has a flash back of her being rescued by sonic whilst being perused by metal sonic (which would have been sonic CD)
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles they used the modern version as it would be much simpler then creating a new model just for a single cutscene. so CD still happened no matter how hard you try to deny it.
The problem is that Sonic CD, which features Classic Sonic and introduces Amy Rose to the "Modern" Timeline, is the origin for Metal Sonic, which is an easter Egg in SA1 and the main Antagonist seeking revenge in Sonic Heroes. It's not 'another series', it's the bridge between Classic and Sonic, because of both Amy and Metal Sonic. So... screw your dodging the question, you messed up!! It's one timeline, regardless of time travel... except Sonic Mania.
There are some odd things about the Chaos Emeralds: in the Genesis version [for those who haven't played] The chaos emeralds are a different color than Sonic 2.
@@hanthemaa Right now I think I got to know everything from comics to animes... within two months. But I still don't know the right order of the canon games is. Could you tell it to me if you know it?
This is incredibly incorrect. Classic and Modern Sonic are from the same timeline, it splits after Generations. Mania happens after Gen in Classic timeline split, then Forces, then Mania Plus. Modern Sonic lived through the events of Sonic 1-3 and CD (which you pointlessly omitted despite references Metal Sonic in Heroes).
@@aaron_aj_knight_95 Yup, thanks to Generations we have Mania. REMEMBER Tails doesn't remember Green Hill, but Classic Tails follows Classic Sonic to Green Hill, that's why the time paradox happens and creates the other dimension
Sonic CD sayed Time Travel is linear in Sonic World.So no,Sonic Classic and Modern world never split beacause they never we're the same.In Modern Sonic world the only Classic Sonic Games that happend are 1,2,3 and CD.In Mania World they happend Sonic 1,2(MS & GG),2,3,CD all Game Gear Games except The Sonic Drift Games,Sonic The Fighters & Knuckles Chaotix.
“Sonic Generations is a game about trying to go back to Sonic’s time after Eggman took away the day he was born” Wait is this plot just a rip-off of Shrek Forever After?
Its been confirmed that that the classic and modern timeline are the same timeline. Sonic in generations even seeing classic Sonic and says it's nice to think about the good old days. Also telling classic sonic that he well learn the Homing attack move very soon.
Actually there being two timelines might not actually be the case. The "Modern" games make numerous continuity nods to the "Classic" games as having happened in the past and in Generations Classic!Sonic is specifically noted to be Sonic when he was younger. The whole two timelines thing comes from Sonic Forces which is rife with continuity errors. This isn't the first time a game causes unnecessary confusion either as the infamous Sonic 06 tried to claim Blaze was from the future like Silver instead from a alternate dimension. So props for having the graphic treat them as one. (which is the more likely scenario) As for the moon, no, according to Sonic Team we aren't viewing it from it's "damaged side."
I know you said that you'll cover the other games in the series in a different video, but Sonic CD and Sonic Mania are still important in the timeline.
Non-Ugandan Knuckles if it was a continuity error eggman or robotnik whatever you prefer wouldn’t have changed designs near the end of the gameplay pocket adventure starts the transition sonic 4 completed it
So what I always thought was Shadow was saying goodbye to his old self/life, the version of him before he had amnesia after falling to Earth. He was moving on from worrying about his past and looking towards the future.
@@infiniteedge4427 Yup, that's when see the pay off of his character development. I always liked Shadow's arc but it's too bad Shadow the Hedgehog isn't that great of a game.
The classic and modern timeline is the same timeline.. there are a couple of instances referring to the past. Amy talking about when Sonic saved her from Metal Sonic (Sonic CD), Sonic remembering Green Hill Zone in Sonic Generations, and Tails remembering Chemical Plant again in Sonic Generations. Plus the creature in Sonic Generations was called the time eater. Classic Sonic is just young Sonic and same for Tails.
Also, the Time Eater caused the timeline to split so the Sonic from the split timeline is in Mania and also classic Sonic in Forces. That's why modern Sonic doesnt remember the events with the time eater.
For those of you wondering where certain game are, we explain it at 25:43! If you wanna see a deeper dive into the Sonic Timeline, we can definitely piece together an absolutely complete version, including all of Sonic Team's games! Let us know in the comments below. Also, what do you guys prefer 2D or 3D Sonic?
I prefer 3d.
Also....when are u gonna tell us how the sonic COMICS and games tie together to make '2 timelines' gonna love that
‘Tis be a noble effort, but this video is more complete: ruclips.net/video/ubhjoxxT4P8/видео.html (and as a part 2)
Both
I happen to like both 2D and 3D versions of Sonic.
23:24 Aren't we going to talk about Sonic Mania? ....No? ...Ok then...
“He encounters Mecha Sonic, not to be confused with Metal Sonic.”
*proceeds to not even talk about Metal Sonic’s debut game, Sonic CD despite being canon.*
not to mention that mania ties into the classic timeline and is why classic sonic meets modern sonic a 2nd time....
He mentions it at the end though.
Should we also acknowledge the fact that the robot in Sonic 2 is actually Silver Sonic and not Mecha or Metal Sonic?
IKR,
I was like where is sonic CD????
But sonic mania conclusion ends up with sonic going into a portal and by the time he is out of the portal boom! He saves tails and joins the force to stop evil!
"Did they ever fix the moon?"
*Those type of questions make people go missing.*
Exact 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
pretty sure the explanation from sega of europe was “it turned to the other side” or something like that
The sonic x anime explains this eggman fixes it to put it in front of the moon so he can hypnotize people with light orbs
@@realepicaaron3326 BUT THE MOON PHYSICALLY CAN´T JUST TURN TO THE OTHER SIDE CRHBKHBCRKVHCR sonic team u silly billy
I guess this got answered
Mario talking about the Sonic timeline.
He has disguised himself
@@sebastianfontanez1081 You're not wrong: the shirt I picked was a deliberate choice since it had some Sonic blues/whites and a dash of golden yellow for rings.
Fun little easter egg for ya. ;)
Also, thank you for calling this out! I almost did a totally different intro to make a gag out of that fact, but seeing this is WAY more satisfying. :D
I WAS GOING TO COMMENT THAT!!!
WHY ARE YOU HERE
"Finally Sonic kicks Shadow's ass, Tails beats Eggman's ass and they stop the eclipse cannon effectively kicking its ass"
favorite quote of all time
The ultimate ass-kicking (lmao)
The only part of 06’ that’s really canon is establishing Silver as a time cop to be a reoccurring character so he and Blaze can come back for the olympics, and just Silver for forces.
Well Blaze is supposed to be from another Dimension
What about Crisis City in Generations?
Why are you so intelligent my friend
Oofer part 8:50
Then there's sonic rush and sonic rush adventure being blaze's debut on the Nintendo ds
The comics actually do a pretty good job of connecting all the games, also address inconsistencies by introducing a multiverse.
Sonic absorbs the chaos emeralds when he becomes super
He absorbs the *power* of the chaos emeralds
The Sonic series running on multiverse theory helps me organize things. Plus, we're getting that Sonic Villains fan-film out of it, so that'll be cool.
I have doubts if "introducing a multiverse" would be doing a good job here... I mean it can be done right but at the same time it seems to me that it's usually just a lazy solution which isn't better on solving problems than on causing them...
"Pretty good job conecting all the games" super Genesis wave everytime?
I still insist that he puts them up his butt
I don’t know where Robotnik gets all his funding from.
ruclips.net/video/xUDMvkWbNfM/видео.html
The million dollar question...lol
Because he’s batman.
"Don't you ever wonder where your tax dollars go?"
Throughout the Series it is known that Eggman holds Several assets:
- Doctor-Title
- Global Enterprise
- Casinos
- Oil Fields
- Robot Armies
Its wouldn't surprise me if we would find out he is one of the most wealthiest people on Mobius.
I still love the Shadow saga (SA2, SH, Shadow the Hedgehog) and REALLY hope the third movie does him justice, especially given people working on it worked in those games. Also, I may be a Nintendo kid first but his time on the GameCube blurred the 90s console war battle lines enough that it doesn't matter these days
It does
I always loved that the original series had different versions of robotic Sonic, demonstrating that Robotnik has been learning from his battles with him how to better replicate his abilities.
How you gonna skip CD ?
THAT WAS BEFORE 2
Actually, they retconned that and made it take place after Sonic 3 and kunckles so that it could be used as a prequel to Sonic 4. Sonic Mania takes place after CD.
@@Lyric061791 no they didn't retcon it
they just revisited later for sonic 4 and mania
@@HenshinAcademy I may be misremembering, but I remember the developers of sonic 4 stating that they made Sonic CD take place after Sonic 3 Saga because they weren't sure of where to put it. It was part of the reason Tails was added to the game in the XBLA and phone ports. I may have to do some digging though.
Christain Whitehead stated cd before 2
Hence why 1 and cd play similar and how 3k takes place directly after cd
Plus even if cd is a so called prequel doesn't mean it can't be placed before 2
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles The sonic Archie Comics aren't canon to the games
Sonic 06 sounds like something out of a kingdom hearts game.
Mephiles would be an amazing Kingdom Hearts Villain
I mean they do take down an overpowered dimensional God so yeah.
Well, at least Kingdom Hearts has emotion and doesn’t take itself way too seriously.
@@Gemnist98 OI, Don’t diss Sonic 06 Shadow. He was written perfectly
@@phoenixablaze166 Well, that’s because Shadow is a character who’s meant to be taken too seriously.
Honestly this was already helpful, thank you. I would watch a movie in depth video on the lore, but this works just fine, thank you.
The canon stories you missed are Sonic CD and Sonic Mania
Cd is too complicated, mania is a remake, theres no point. Unless we are talking about encore mode from plus in which case sure.
chungo boi well yes but actually no
@@randyofficial3614 oh yeah good point
Exactly what I was saying!
@@jomppidev1845 mania happens after generations when sonic goes back to his timeline. Then classic eggman finds the phantom ruby uses it to go back in time to iconic and new zones. During that sonic finds the chaos emeralds and fights a big metal sonic and other stuff. He finds eggman in some robot spider. Sonic beats it then the phantom ruby sends him to a dimension with a three way battle between king boiled heavy. (The leader of the boiled heavies) and eggman. (Eggman uses the phantom ruby on 6 or 7 regular badniks at the start of the game on them and that's how they become the boiled heavies) sonic is in the 3 way battle too. He defeats them both as super sonic. The phantom ruby goes haywire, returning sonic into his base form then sending the chaos emeralds away then sending sonic into a portal with the phantom ruby. Sonic goes into forces and modern eggman finds the phantom ruby and then the rest of forces story happens
I stopped playing Sonic for a few years now, but this blue hedgehog has always been part of me. It's good to know how the timeline works!
The timelines aren’t “classic” & “modern” tho. The modern games take place directly after the classic games And they didn’t mention Sonic CD, Amy & Metal Sonic’s first game. A second timeline happens after classic sonic meets modern sonic in Sonic Generations, where the timeline splits thanks to time travel and leads into Sonic Mania, Sonic Forces (classic Sonic) & Sonic Mania Plus.
Gotta love the original classic sonic games, but for me the two Sonic Adventure games and Sonic Heroes will ALWAYS ALWAYS be my absolute favorite sonic games of all time.
Mario: All hedgehogs look the same.
*THATS SPECIST*
he IS mario
Actually... that would be racist.... since hedgehogs are a different race than humans
Though...under the right light, yes they look the same. But... yeah... though he was pissed because 9/10 his mind said: How the hell.
@@Jrock24cantbebeat "WOW BRO!"
;D
@@user-dx8nl9qm9d it’d be speciesist
Oh, so the classic games take place in a different timeline. Riiiiiight. Never mind the fact that Sonic Adventure references both Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Sonic CD.
Oh, and to answer your question, they do fix the moon. You can clearly see the moon, intact, near the end of Sonic Colors, but it's never explained when or how it was fixed. (Although, it is explained in the Sonic X anime) It's likely that SEGA simply forgot it was broken.
well...
+Ultimate Gamer
Two worlds is a blatant shoehorned retcon. Before Sonic Forces, it was NEVER implied that Sonic lived on a different planet once the Japanese continuity was established as the standard continuity. Sega of Japan had EVERY intention to erase the American continuity; which includes Mobius.
The earlier 3D games made occasional references that implied that the events of the 2D games happened on Earth. Sonic himself was stated to be from Christmas Island in the Japanese continuity; said island is on Earth.
+Knuckles
"Then Sonic Adventure has Sonic on a planet of humans, without an explanation"
Which should be a big give away the games were always intended to take place on Earth (until Forces's retcon, of course). Little Planet is even referenced outside of Amy's flashback; by a random human, in the Japanese version; as if it was a part of Earth.
The problem with trying to use Sonic X as a fill-in-gap is that they had to change some details just to fit the concept of two worlds in THAT continuity (let alone things that are never mentioned outside of Sonic X; like the Egg Fort and Sonic racing against formula cars). The fact he was intended to have Madonna as a human girlfriend; until Sega of America shot down the idea, suggests humans were always intended to live alongside Sonic's species.
The early Dic cartoons were based on the american continuity; meaning they took place on Mobius. Back when the American continuity was considered canon to the North American versions of the games. Said American continuity was eventually exiled.
Planet Freedom is implied to be a future version of Earth. As in they used to live on the ground; potentially alongside humans, and then moved to the islands in the sky.
Some of the manga is probably no longer canon or wasn't intended to be canon to the games; especially the one with the early version of Amy Rose.
Sonic Boom is its own continuity. The fact there aren't many humans in that continuity may have been partially influenced by people complaining about humans existing alongside Sonic (Chris Thorndyke and Elise really provided fuel for those complaints).
IDW Sonic has mandates slapped all over it; Sega even has a tighter grip on IDW Sonic than they did with Archie Sonic. If the comic writers are required to promote Ilzuka's two worlds retcon, then they don't have much of a choice in the manner. The sonic movie seems like it is desperately trying to make it look like Yuji Naka himself planned for two worlds to exist in the Sonic games or at the very least attempt to justify the sloppy retcon; despite the earlier games going against that idea. It doesn't help Sonic seems a bit out of character in the first movie trailer; suddenly no longer caring about property damage; even though he likely holds his speed back in the games because of that.
Archie Sonic was originally based on the Sonic SatAm universe. The SatAm elements were gradually reduced over time; with the writers introducing the idea of Mobius being future Earth. With there being alternate reality versions of the planet (Anti-Sonic; eventually Scourge, being from one of those alternate worlds. Also with Robo Robotnik; who becomes modern Eggman). Ironically, Mobius's name was eventually stricken from the comics towards the end and was reduced to just being "Sonic's world". The light reboot further required the writers to make Archie Sonic more akin to the games.
In an SXSW panel last year i think they were asked this question by a fan he said ''in sonic adventure 2 the moon was destroyed in half so why at the beginning of the shadow the hedgehog opening the moon is still intact'' they would use the excuse that the moon was just facing the other direction but when they were live I think Takashi Iizuka was under pressure and simply stated that the team overlooked it. take what i say with a grain of salt but thats what i heard
didnt someone say that the moon just rotated even though that's impossible because it spins with the same time it rotates...
"Because apparently all hedgehogs look alike?!"
That is the face of a man broken by to many racist video game tropes
Even Amy mistook Shadow for Sonic how you going to be in love with Sonic and not know what color Sonic is! 😂
aparently in Sonic blue and black and red are the same color? aswell as green and red.... and... alot of other things are the same in that universe if they are being confused for one another
Maybe they’re literally color blind, though I’m not sure how this would work for things like the Chaos Emeralds and other color-coded nonsense lol. It’s just a really, really stupid oversight.
It's not racist if it's also true.
*too many
From an innocent game to a hedgehog with guns! What a world we live in…
Sees 10:47
My mind:"I'm pissing on the Moon!!!"
How do you like that Obama!
@@novella7735 I pissed on the mooooon you ediet !!!!!
Me too haha😅😊🥰👍💯
Crispy Cookies Exactly xD I can't help it
DEFCON ZERO I love how he managed to roll the whole word droplets
Me : casually watching the video
Video : _reaches the "shadow the hedgehog" part_
Me : *screams internally*
that game was a disappointment
The story isn't that bad
@@Dinhooo23 mhm, same for 06, best story is shadows btw
@@lilAndrix not for me
Missing Sonic CD is unacceptable when it comes to a Sonic the Hedgehog timeline. Why? Because you're missing;
1 - Sonic's first time traveling adventure.
2 - Introduction of Amy Rose.
3 - Introduction of Metal Sonic.
4 - Introduction of Little Planet that appears one month out of the year over Never Lake (I mean for goodness sake, one of the first games you can play Metal Sonic for several Acts takes place on this planet).
5 - Introduction of Time Stones (and the only VG appearance of them as Sonic doesn't need to use them in Sonic 4 nor in Mania).
* Irreverent to the timeline * - The first Sonic game ( *Correct me if I'm wrong* ) that has two different sound tracks.
I'm sure there's more in Sonic CD that are a first in the timeline. Then not piecing in Mania for a Sept. 2019 video? Come on.
Sonic cd is canon because this is the first game amy rose came from. Sonic mania and forces came after sonic cd and sonic 3. Sonic and knuckles would connect to sonic adventure. The guy who made this video has alot to learn about sonic. Judging from his reactions to the story, he probably knows sonic initially from sonic adventure.
Sorry bruhs, the comics show that classic and modern sonic are from different dimensions. The "Amy Rose" that makes its first appearance in Sonic CD is acually named Rosy. The Sonic the hedgehog comics even show her and Amy as two characters on the cover of issue 194.
@@criticalsausage Rosy the Rascal is Amy Rose's nickname from back in Sonic CD (game canon). That is completely unrelated to the "Anti Amy/Rosy the Rascal" in issue 194. That's the Archie comic's addition to the Sonic Universe. Sonic Team had no mention of this anti-Amy this whooooole time and she's only been a thing since that issue came out in, what, 2007? Speaking solely of Archie comic adaptions, In Issue 25, it's clear as day that Amy was the one on the island looking for Sonic, and she's the one who was kidnapped by Metal. If it was Anti-Amy/Rosy the Rascal in CD, she wouldn't have been running after Sonic with loving eyes, she would have been chasing him with a hammer trying to attack him.
@@kwbalance108 the games themselves mention that classic sonic is sonic from a different dimension though
@@criticalsausage I agree with you on that, trust me. It's clear that after Sonic Adventures 2, a whole new dimension is shown..then Sonic Generations came out and showed it as well. I just don't agree that Sonic CD shouldn't be part of this video and the fact that Anti-Amy is just a new addition, but is Amy in Sonic CD is *not* Anti-Amy.
my dad plays sonic but doesn't know about the storyline, so I'm searching for a simplified version for him to understand my love with shadow and silver
So random and this comment is so old but I really like your Jaden Yuki pfp :)
@@whiteroses560 lmfaoo thanks for making me remember this, i used to be so hyperfixated on sonic but that hyperfixation drifted to yugioh gx like last year XD glad to see another fellow gx fan :D
I love Sonic Unleashed. I know a lot of ppl didn't, but it was still a good game. It was a refreshing twist.
Still the best sonic game for me .
@@lam99up74 better than Sonic 3? 😂
@@harrydavey9884 OH YEAH 😂
>Skips Sonic CD
Ight, imma head out.
At the end he predicted you
He skipped sonic mania😓 it was the classic time line right before sonic forces
SeatSlippinNEET exactly like he went straight to adventure and forgot Metal Sonic one of the best villains lowkey wtf
You should have said "I'm outta here" cause that's what he says when you stay still for too long in the game
Honestly sonic cd is simple. Sonic cd is to save any and stop eggman, tails stops eggman and save Taylor and knuckles is getting his sandwich back
*Jim Carrey:* P I N G A S
*Me:* _Carefully, he's truly a hero..._
Found you!
Oh....SMG4 memes :D
As a person who's played just about every sonic videogame out there this timeline video was something I never knew I needed.
Cooooooooooolll
Edit: Now I'm not confused
buuut you skipped Sonic Cd
No matter where they place it people will get mad
And mania!!
Pretty sure it goes 1, CD, 2, 3, Mania(?), etc
Talon Stephensen yep that’s correct
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles Thanks for the info, man
Sonic Adventure 2 is my favorite game of all time. I love the treasure hunting, especially in space. Treasure hunting in space really made me love astronomy and rekindled my love for the stars!
Mine too.
I’m currently playing sonic adventure, sonic adventure 2, sonic generation and I don’t think I’ve ever sworn so much 🤣 I think if I was a character I’d want to be , I would be rouge. Great synopsis for sonic and the games. Congrats
The Moon is explained as "we're seeing the half that didn't get blown up", as in the Moon rotated 90 Degrees so that we see the moon's full shape despite losing it's other half.
Idk why everyone hate 06 so much,yes,the game was awfully hurried up and i personally HATE controls,you get killed most times because of glitching,but the storyline itself is pretty interesting exactly because its so complex,only the ending is a bit eh to me,really unnecessary losing memories and stuff,i think multiple timelines stuff is rly cool thing to dive in
Think you just said why everyone hates it
Same but I do get the part where people complain about the gameplay not being the best with all the glitches but the actually story itself was a pretty interesting concept I liked
Just gonna throw this out there:
Sonic Riders
Well I forgot that existed until now
As far as i know - Sonic Riders series is not canon. It is kinda modern (because of it's style) but it's not in modern canon. I dunno if that makes sense what i just said xD
God bless
Just gonna throw this out there:
No
well, all sonic stories are almost self contain, so everything can fit.
hmm, maybe, now that I think about it, it's not canon because of nights and aiai are there?, silver is in the game too but that just means more time travel.
Yeah it's kinda awkward ignoring Sonic CD when there's Amy and Metal Sonic.
I finally got Sonic CD on Steam. Can't believe I overlooked it. It's got a storyline that intrigues me. Plus, I like Amy so I can learn how they met and how she formed a one-sided crush on Sonic.
It's not the CHAOS emeralds that keep Angel Island in the air, it's the MASTER emerald.
Wow. Shadow’s storyline is dark af. I’m excited for Sonic 3 film!
Classic and modern are the same timeline. “Knuckles! Don’t tell me you’ve been tricked AGAIN.”
thats sort of true but not really. since generations explicitly states that they're different versions, yet adventure acts as if sonic 1, 2, 3+K, and cd all still happened, the best explanation is that all the events from the classic timeline still happen in the modern timeline off screen. the creators wanted to build off of the lore and maintain past relationships and characters, and remaking those games just to put a new modern sprite in is a stupid idea. so they just made the timeline split to justify both. this is supported by the 3D green hill zone in SA2B existing in the modern timeline with slight differences to it since its 3D. the small differences is what solidifies them as seperate as well.
@@iamlordapollo I was always under the impression it was one timeline, with the different character designs simply being a change of art style. Generations even makes it clear that 'Classic Sonic' is just Sonic as a child. It's only in Forces that the implication comes that they're different characters, specifically when Tails refers to him as "that Sonic from another dimension". I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that was either a mistranslation or simply poor choice of wording either
@@Montymole_360 your are correct about generations and forces referring to classic in different ways that appear to contradict each other. I think we can all agree that this change was a result of both sides of the elitist fandoms displeasure at linking the two Sonic's together as the same character, and forces establishing them as different was a hasty patch job. What you are describing is actually how I came to the conclusion stated above. If classic is from a different "dimension" but is also Sonic as a child, we have no choice but to accept both facts as true since they come from Canon material. Therefore the only logical conclusion is that modern Sonic as a child had all the same adventures as classic, they just weren't on screen. And we're prob 3d lol
Edit: I also think it was originally intended to be one timeline, but as time went on, the difference between them became so vast that it stopped making sense, and making them two different characters was the easy solution.
@@iamlordapollo that makes sense. You have to wonder how they managed to make the timeline for the adventures of a cartoon hedgehog so bloody complicated! 😂
@@Montymole_360 I'm with ya there my friend. If mania 2 comes out and references any of the modern games other than forces all bets are off. My hypothesis is purely based on taking the evidence given to it's natural conclusion since there is no hard proof until we see a younger modern Sonic in chemical plant zone or something. I think converting the original trilogy into 3d would be an awesome prequel game. Green Hill zone in SA2B was janky, but it supports my theory that the two Sonics exist independently while still having similar adventures. If I had to guess, id say the timeline splits after S3&K. Modern goes on to adventure 1, and classic goes to 4 and mania. In fact, I haven't played them, but maybe the advance games shed some light on the subject?
My teacher wanted me to do a presentation over sonic, and it’s due tomorrow so this will help a lot, thank you man
How did it go
Lucky I wish my teacher had me do that
answer, we want to know what happened !
Bruh I lucky . I want to do that too :
Presentation on games? You're lucky
10:48 Eggman shows the world how big his junk was by pissing on the moon
why not?
AND YOU BETTER EVACUATE BEFOR E HIS PISS DROPLETS HIT THE *EARTH*
Lol what
@@issuehigh Those one famous SA fan dub
Why
Technically the classic games are a separate timeline and part of the modern timeline, like in Sonic Adventure there is a line where Sonic says that Eggman tricked Knuckles again. Also in Sonic Generations, Sonic and Tails both find the classic stages from the first three games too. Besides those little details, this video is great! 👍🏻
what sonic hears: CHAOS CONTROL!!!
what i hear: BADASS TIME FREEZE!!!
What i hear: B-TECH ZA WARUDO!
What my mum hears: BLAH BLAH BLAH!!
ZA WARUDO! TOKI YO TOMARE!
@@Quinnsicott lol
THE WORLD! ZA WARUDO!
Timeline:
Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) - Sonic's Beginnings. Eggman was Robotnik
Sonic CD - Introduces Amy Rose and Metal Sonic. Came out after Sonic 2, but takes place before Sonic 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - Super Sonic and Tails are introduce
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles - Master Emerald, Angel Island and Knuckles are introduce
(Sonic 3D Blast and Knuckles Chaotix) - Flickies and the Chaotix enter
Sonic Adventure - Tikal, Big, Chaos, and Chao. Learn a bit of Knuckles past. Robotnik becomes Eggman.
(Sonic Advance 1-2) Cream and Cheese
Sonic Adventure 2 - Shadow, Rouge, Gerald Robotnik, Maria introduce. Shadow "dies."
Sonic Heroes- Chaotix comback, Shadow is alive with amnesia (doesn't care) , Omega is introduced, and Metal Sonic is villian
(Sonic Battle) - Gerald Robotnik journals are in this game. Gizoid Emerl is introduced. Also Shadow is sick in this game.
(Sonic Advance 3) G-merl is here
Shadow The Hedgehog - Shadow cares about amnesia. Black arm aliens are introduced. Shadow learns Black doom is his daddy
Sonic Rush- Blaze and Eggman Nega are introduced (from another dimension) along with Sol Emeralds
Sonic 06* (Sonic visited Soleanna because he heard the food is good) - Sliver's here
(Sonic Rivals) - Silver comes back
(Sonic Rush Adventure) - Sonic and Tails go to Blaze's dimension
Sonic Unleashed - Sonic's planet is destroyed and sonic becomes wolfy hedgy during night.
Sonic Colors - Wisps are here. Eggman makes theme park on Wisp planets.
Sonic Generations - Eggman messes up timeline with the Time eater. Meet classic Sonic and Tails who is also from another dimension?
Sonic Lost world - Zeti are here. Also there's a moble game that explains why whisps are on sonic's planet now.
Sonic Mania - Phantom Ruby is introduce. Explains why classic Sonic is in Forces. Other classic Sonic characters come back, like Mighty from Knuckles Chaotix.
Sonic Forces - Infinite and your OC is Introduce.
You forgot a few other canon games like SegaSonic the hedgehog and Sonic Pinball
@@PsychoticaYT [ahem] I hate to be a pain in the butt, but it's Sonic Spinball.
@@benjamintheraccoon Oof damn you right my bad.
I really hate to be that guy when i say this because you got the timeline pretty much down on lock you missed Sonic Rivals 2
You forgot Sonic Boom not saying the game was good, the game was indeed trash but unfortunately it's part of the Sonic series.
The Sonic two timelines are not “classic” & “modern”. The two timelines are
The main timeline, Sonic 1 - Forces
The mania timeline, Sonic 1 - Sonic 3&K normally then Classic Generations splits the timeline into Mania, Forces (Classic) & Mania Plus
@Classic Sonic
The “mania timeline” is part of the “main timeline” up until the time travel shenanigans after of Generations, in which “classic Sonic” enters white space sometime after Sonic 2 and 3 cause he knows Tails and 3 directly follows 2, and sometime before Sonic Adventure cause he can’t spin dash yet. Sonic Forces also happens for “classic Sonic” in between Sonic Mania and Sonic Mania Plus.
The “Mania timeline branch” starts after Sonic 3 with Sonic Generations as the point of variation. Dark time energy follows “Classic Sonic” through the portal to his new timeline branch and creates the phantom ruby.
One day “classic Eggman” discovers a new powerful gem under the ground of Angel Island and sends 5 Egg-robo’s to fetch it, at the same time “classic Tails” picks up the signal and follows it, then the events of Sonic Mania happens. “classic Sonic” gets all the chaos emeralds as the Phantom ruby takes him on an adventure exploring new and old locations (like he did in Sonic Generations). With all the emeralds in hand “classic super Sonic” defeats “classic Eggman” and the phantom king and releases the ruby from their grasp, but the ruby has been guiding him through this journey, it pulls the chaos emeralds out of “classic super Sonic” and performs chaos control, opening a portal through Space and time, leading back to the main timeline that it’s energy was originally from. It goes through the portal, quickly followed by “classic Sonic “, but the seconds difference of them entering the portal turned into months in between them arriving at their destination.
And so “modern Eggman” finds the phantom ruby on his doorstop (Sonic Forces comic) and the events of Sonic Forces start. Months later Eggman takes over and omega gets destroyed by infinite who now welds the phantom ruby, tails goes to fix him but is attacked by chaos, and that moment is when classic Sonic finally reaches the end of the portal, months after the ruby. Then Sonic Forces ends with the ruby and “classic Sonic” disappearing.
“Classic Sonic” comes through a portal back to his timeline, the phantom ruby follows, the phantom king and the hard boiled heavy’s get revived, “classic Sonic” works with mighty and ray again (who he met in SegaSonic the Hedgehog), he goes on a very similar adventure, defeats “classic Eggman” again, but in the end the phantom ruby overloads the systems, Sonic and friends get out safely, but poor Eggman gets gets sucked up with his base, and the whole timeline is possibly consumed, but Official classic Sonic comics were made to following the Sonic Mania gang, so everybody’s (even Eggman, and the heavy king) end up being fine. Maybe the timeline had the phantom ruby removed from it.
Now some of this relies on theory’s, but it makes sense and I dont know why I’d never heard this theory. The Time-eater was made of dark time energy, it could distort time and can create portals very similar to the phantom ruby, which distorts space throughout Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces. So I believe after it gets defeated in Sonic Generations, some of it’s energy remains and follows “classic Sonic” to his new timeline and grows it’s energy on Angel Island, a place with dirt nourished by the master emerald. I believe the “dark time energy” wanted revenge on the two Sonics that destroyed it’s body, so it puts pawns in motion to destroy them both by leading “classic Sonic” back to the “main timeline” where the other Sonic resided, but in the end good always triumphs evil, and it probably didn’t account for the “avatar” helping Sonic.
This was a lot of text…. Sorry, lol. I know and think way too much about Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces….
Generations causing a split similar to Dragon Ball's Android Saga makes sense to me.
As a lifelong superfan of Sonic, this was great. I started with Sonic 2, getting to the level of "Super Sonic by Zone 2, ridiculous speedrun finish" levels, and once Sonic 3 came out, I knew I was hooked. Haven't played much of the newer games, but Sonic is still a hero to me, Tails is still a beloved sidekick, and blue(cerulean blue) is still my fanatically favorite colour.
Just like with eating pizza.....I just say "I loved watching TMNT too much as a kid." 😁
Sonic Colors: "Tails is under mind control! Oh, no! Will Sonic have to fight his best friend!? Nope. He gets better immediately, and it's like it never happened."
Sonic Lost World: "Tails has been turned into a mech! Oh, no! Will Sonic have to--nope. He gets better immediately, and it's like it never happened."
Character regression at it's finest.
You just don’t understand the power of friendship
Having a character called "Dr. Pickle" in a Sonic game must have been really hard on Chris Chan.
“Then there’s team Chaotix they’re just trying to pay rent”
Me: wow
SA is the greatest installment of Sonic games for me, so many great memories playing as a kid.
The Shadow the hedgehog game seems like it was a classic and revolutionary game. I’ve never heard of it having choices and multiples endings
This video kinda sucks. It’s 26 minutes of going over purely the story of the mainline titles which I’m pretty sure we all know about at this point. There’s many games that you missed out on that are canon to the series.
Sonic CD is set between Sonic 1 and 2, and introduces Amy Rose and Metal Sonic. It’s referenced in Adventure and Generations so I don’t get why you skipped it.
Sonic Advance 2 is set at some point prior to Sonic Heroes, it introduces Cream the Rabbit.
Sonic Battle is a continuation of the Adventure arc, taking place after Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic Advance 3 is a continuation of Sonic Battle so it takes place afterwards.
Sonic Rush introduces Blaze and is referenced in Generations. It’s sequel is also presumably canon.
The Sonic Rivals games reintroduce Silver why explains why he still makes appearances after the events of Sonic 2006 were erased.
Sonic and the Secret Rings is referenced in Sonic Generations, therefore it and Black Knight must be canon.
Sonic Mania takes place at some point before Sonic Forces in the Classic dimension. I’m guessing it takes place after Classic returns to his time after the events of Sonic Generations meaning Modern Sonic doesn’t remember the events of Mania but Classic does. The Encore Mode of the game takes place after Sonic Forces in the Classic Dimension.
There are soooo many obvious games that you missed and there are better videos that go into more detail and don’t just recap the stories we already know.
Thank you! Their video is awful. It implies Modern Sonic didn't live through Sonic 1-3/CD and they don't even acknowledge Mania.
Care to link any of those better videos? I really want to properly understand the series
@@bobmcguffin5706 the 4thsnake has a good one.
Polocatfan All sonic games are canon except for maybe chronicles. Most games or half of the games are mentioned or referenced in some way in the series. Yes including 06.
Yeah they're all in the same timeline, they keep acknowledging each other as if they happened. Any non canon game, any game that screws with lore.....some characters fever dream.
Technically, Sonic is the iblis trigger. He died causing Elise to cry.
@Norbin's gaming channel Sonic was the trigger Mephiles pulled the trigger
@Super Mario Michael 2 nah
Sonic was the bullet mephiles was the gun
@@altr1k that's poetic, man
I havnt touched sonic in over a decade besides the movie and when you said it gets weirder I was actually shocked. This is nutty
I like how I got a sega ad before the video it knew and I love it
That's kind of amazing! :D
GeNeiSeS DoSe
Classic Sonic leaving in forces be like : change da world, my final message
*Goodbye*
Edit: How did this get 46 likes .
Second edit: what. The actual. *FU-*
this deserves a lot more than four likes
Sonic Mania Adventure
Sonic: *BONJOUR*
@Super Mario Michael 2
Do you think that Sonic Mania and Sonic Force's is canon?
lmao
69 likes
When a person's name is Mario and talks about Sonic.
Me: Balanced, as all things should be
Does anyone else agree that a better storyline feature for Sonic lost worlds would be that robotnik really died, and after the adventure Sonic gets the help of Silver to time travel to rescue Eggman, in return for literally saving sonic’s life?
I still remember getting blown away seeing cinemated cutscenes on sonic unleashed.
I’m going to have to say that in between sonic 3 and knuckles and sonic adventure they do intertwine because sonic refers to knuckles being tricked by eggman as if he’s already been tricked before therefore the classic era and the beginning of the modern era Are in the same universe
isaac january
I know right, Sonic Adventure is after Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles
EXACTLY
The modern era is post sonic 06. The reboot set sonic in a new canon after shadow the hedgehog's ending. The new canon is garbage. They should have realised with how bad 06 was it would have been better to pretend ther reboot didn't happen and set the next game after the events of shadow the hedgehog. Oh well, SEGA has been run by idiots for the past 15 years, that's why their company is dying and they're going to be bought by a bigger company sooner or later.
16:45 His name is Memphis Tennessee, sir
And you will respect his name
You yourself, Make this video unenjoyable
Going back to the whole Sonic Forces event near the end, I've always thought that SEGA should've pulled a "Minecraft: Story Mode" and still have given the Avatar character a gender-neutral name like "Buddy" or "Rook" and an actual voice with lines and such, each voice would depend on what gender and what voice pitch/tone you have chosen for your avatar (again, ALOT like what Minecraft: Story Mode did with Jesse). I feel like it would've given the story more depth and let us get to know our avatar even more. Wouldn't you agree?
Agreed, although I am one year late.
I'm pretty sure that the 2d era is canon with Modern Era. Saying that classic sonic is from another dimension might be wrong. In Sonic Generations Green Hill Zone and Chemical plant zone were noticeable to both the modern day Sonic and Tails, Plus Tails did bring up that they're fighting enemies from their past. Which clarifies that Classic Sonic in Generations is Modern day Sonic past.
Forgot to mention Tails learning to use his tails to go faster and keep up with Sonic in the early days.
Wait, did you just call Silver Sonic..."Mecha Sonic" no. Mecha Sonic is from Sonic 3, Silver Sonic is from Sonic 2. Metal Sonic is from CD.
Robo Sonic is the one from Sonic 2
Silversonic is from the Gamegear games
Ni Wi his name is really silver sonic
I was about to type this too, glad I looked through the comments first.
@@niwi7642, they are both Silver Sonic, there are several different versions of Silver Sonic
Actually, the one from Sonic 2 is originally named "Mecha Sonic" in Japan. The comics gave him the name Silver Sonic in order to not confuse him with the one from 3&K and everyone just went with it.
Personally, I think Robo Sonic is a much better name for him.
Did they ever fix the moon?
Well yes but actually no.
ShadowTheSanta it was revealed in later games that the gravity of the moon forced the other side to begin facing earth. Which is still bullshit because the moon revolves and we see both sides of it regularly, and the dark side of the moon is simply a myth.
Is no one going to talk about the irony of the guy’s name? His name is Mario Bueno which is literally “Mario Good” in Spanish
TheTurtleKid so?
It’s a sonic video
We need a game where sonic, silver, and shadow are all playable like sonic heroes but egg man accidentally creates a superhuman hedgehog using the chaos emeralds and sonic, silver, and shadow’s dna and chaos is his sidekick and the trio goes to defeat him.
Time to be original. But what about Sonic mania, which has the phantom Ruby in it?
yo that's true!
forces and mania are connected via the phantom ruby
and that connects to mania plus and the shorts
In the main timeline, Sonic Mania never happened, instead Sonic 4 happened.
Sonic Mania is in another timeline that crossed with the main timeline.
@@AbrasiveSage and thats why in forces they say clasic sonic is from another dimention, they mean he is from another timeline
This video is spectacular, your voice is actually really tolerable😂 and I enjoy your humor, how did I not find u earlier?
15:09 when i first beat the game, i thought this meant he was saying goodbye to his old self and can now move on
it is what it means
I love how you're trying to not lose it.
The fact of knuckles being gullible in the sonic games makes sense when you watch sonic boom
I like the floating island concept as well as the Gerald Robotnic plots and backstory 👌they could definitely create realism with this plot in a Sonic 2 movie 👍🔥🔥🔥🔥💯
Classic Sonic is just younger Modern Sonic in 'Generations' just as Eggman refers to his classic self as himself from the past, and the two Tails' confirmed that they were traveling through time and space hence, visiting places from their past. The Genesis/Megadrive Trilogy follow a linear path up to the Modern games from "Sonic the Hedgehog 1" all the way to "Sonic Generations".
Forces is the game that screwed everything up by saying that classic Sonic is from another dimension, which "can" be understood as another timeline, but I always wondered if this was just a pun. Classic Sonic technically is from the 2nd Dimension (2D) and Modern Sonic is from the 3rd Dimension or (3D), which "are" different dimensions.
Either way I'll stick with the way the timeline was told from Generations, that there has always been one continuous timeline from then to now.
well if you think about how time travel theory works you cant ever travel back to the exact point in time in your own demention because that would create a paradox on so many levels. even a micro level would be a ton; thus the butterfly effect. Tails is right when he says other demention. Sonic Generations never happend before it happend for both parties; modern and classic. If so tails and sonic would have known what day and time and everything that was about to happen.
If you guys are wondering about sonic mania, it happens right before sonic forces. After Classic Sonic destroys Eggman, he goes into a portal with Classic Tails and Classic Knuckles waiting for him outside the deathegg (this is why you don’t see them in forces) which leads the end of the game as a cliffhanger but it continues when you see him in Forces.
Just a curious thing to point out. If Sonic Adventure is Canon wouldn't that make sonic CD Canon as well. There's a point in Sonic Adventure where Amy has a flash back of her being rescued by sonic whilst being perused by metal sonic (which would have been sonic CD)
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles they used the modern version as it would be much simpler then creating a new model just for a single cutscene. so CD still happened no matter how hard you try to deny it.
The problem is that Sonic CD, which features Classic Sonic and introduces Amy Rose to the "Modern" Timeline, is the origin for Metal Sonic, which is an easter Egg in SA1 and the main Antagonist seeking revenge in Sonic Heroes.
It's not 'another series', it's the bridge between Classic and Sonic, because of both Amy and Metal Sonic.
So... screw your dodging the question, you messed up!! It's one timeline, regardless of time travel... except Sonic Mania.
There are some odd things about the Chaos Emeralds: in the Genesis version [for those who haven't played] The chaos emeralds are a different color than Sonic 2.
*[When you saw the movie but never actually played any sonic game and want to know more]*
i have watched sonic games lol
@@fwfusion7 That's an option too. Xd
@@hanthemaa Right now I think I got to know everything from comics to animes... within two months. But I still don't know the right order of the canon games is. Could you tell it to me if you know it?
You NEVER PLAYED A SONIC GAME??!! *faints and dies from suprise*
R.I.P. to myself
@@amosthescrewball3240 ikr it took me real long to get into sonic. Hope I'll bring you back to live by telling you I already played some of the games.
I hope sonic movie gets a sequel and that shadow appear ...I wish,he’s the best
Shadow wont probably be in theaters till like 5 movies till it happend WAIT DOES THIS MEAN A SONIC CINIMATIC UNIVERSE A SCU OMG
There is going to be sequel to it. Its releasing in 2022.
Actually it will introduce tails. Have you seen after the movie?
Sega has announced that there will be a second movie but shadow as not been announced that he will be in a movie
Oh it will but not be here in sonic 2
This is incredibly incorrect. Classic and Modern Sonic are from the same timeline, it splits after Generations. Mania happens after Gen in Classic timeline split, then Forces, then Mania Plus. Modern Sonic lived through the events of Sonic 1-3 and CD (which you pointlessly omitted despite references Metal Sonic in Heroes).
And that's why he says "Enjoy your future! It's gonna be great!"
So is Sonic Mania the result of Generations, or like a remake or something?
@@aaron_aj_knight_95 Yup, thanks to Generations we have Mania. REMEMBER Tails doesn't remember Green Hill, but Classic Tails follows Classic Sonic to Green Hill, that's why the time paradox happens and creates the other dimension
Sonic CD sayed Time Travel is linear in Sonic World.So no,Sonic Classic and Modern world never split beacause they never we're the same.In Modern Sonic world the only Classic Sonic Games that happend are 1,2,3 and CD.In Mania World they happend Sonic 1,2(MS & GG),2,3,CD all Game Gear Games except The Sonic Drift Games,Sonic The Fighters & Knuckles Chaotix.
“Sonic Generations is a game about trying to go back to Sonic’s time after Eggman took away the day he was born”
Wait is this plot just a rip-off of Shrek Forever After?
No. I don't know I never saw that movie
Shockerlighting 224 you should.
@@sophiabutler1707 ok
@@guy1774 it was better than the third one
"Lord knows, I'm still jamming to the Saturday AM theme even as a grown-ass adult..."
*wipes a tear*
I feel so seen... ;-;
"It's a '90s action platformer with mascots" Well isn't that funny MARIO
Knuckles is not gullible he’s never talk to people he’s the last one of his kind
He is still gullible (even if there is a good reason for it)
I don’t see sonic rush blaze originals appearance was in rush but 06 didn’t made sense 🤔
Ouch
Its been confirmed that that the classic and modern timeline are the same timeline. Sonic in generations even seeing classic Sonic and says it's nice to think about the good old days. Also telling classic sonic that he well learn the Homing attack move very soon.
Police: Sees shadow
Also police: It'S SoNIc!1!111!
When you said that there were aliens pouring out of the sky and I see shadow holding a gun, I was reminded of DOOM.
Actually there being two timelines might not actually be the case. The "Modern" games make numerous continuity nods to the "Classic" games as having happened in the past and in Generations Classic!Sonic is specifically noted to be Sonic when he was younger. The whole two timelines thing comes from Sonic Forces which is rife with continuity errors. This isn't the first time a game causes unnecessary confusion either as the infamous Sonic 06 tried to claim Blaze was from the future like Silver instead from a alternate dimension. So props for having the graphic treat them as one. (which is the more likely scenario) As for the moon, no, according to Sonic Team we aren't viewing it from it's "damaged side."
17:28 bro really tried to sneak that light reference past us
15:34 sometimes I think sonic 06 is like a reboot to start the new games
I know you said that you'll cover the other games in the series in a different video, but Sonic CD and Sonic Mania are still important in the timeline.
Lmfaoo ultimate irony: a dude named Mario reviewing the timeline of Sonic😂
Sonic 2 movie is awesome!!! brings back my childhood
As well as sonic pocket adventure the most important game in the series that explains the change from classic to modern (also sonic 4)
Non-Ugandan Knuckles if it was a continuity error eggman or robotnik whatever you prefer wouldn’t have changed designs near the end of the gameplay pocket adventure starts the transition sonic 4 completed it
I love how he didnt include sonic mania and then in the desc it says Sonic mania XD
So what I always thought was Shadow was saying goodbye to his old self/life, the version of him before he had amnesia after falling to Earth. He was moving on from worrying about his past and looking towards the future.
it makes sense in that sense as in the very next game he joins GUN showing he has indeed put his past behind him
@@infiniteedge4427 Yup, that's when see the pay off of his character development. I always liked Shadow's arc but it's too bad Shadow the Hedgehog isn't that great of a game.
Having read Archie Sonic w/o playing the games, it's nice comparing the release of these games to arcs during the run
The classic and modern timeline is the same timeline.. there are a couple of instances referring to the past. Amy talking about when Sonic saved her from Metal Sonic (Sonic CD), Sonic remembering Green Hill Zone in Sonic Generations, and Tails remembering Chemical Plant again in Sonic Generations. Plus the creature in Sonic Generations was called the time eater. Classic Sonic is just young Sonic and same for Tails.
Also, the Time Eater caused the timeline to split so the Sonic from the split timeline is in Mania and also classic Sonic in Forces. That's why modern Sonic doesnt remember the events with the time eater.