Theres another theory where Eve is actually the step mother of Charlie and who took care of her for her childhood and became the one that was inspiring hell. It states that Lilith being independent didnt want to be tied down by a family so she sent off on her own adventures. Leaving eve to step in the morningstar family. Charlies just mistakes eve for her mother Lilith. Maybe Lilith and Eve are twins or something along those lines. A little far fetch but it would just add so much more complex storylines for the series.
Well technically when Lilith was first mention they are said to look alike but Eventually in the Bible Lilith was removed Translate et non conclusit eos sic fecit
Well, Lilith was made of the same material as Adam, while Eve is made of one of Adam's ribs, so they are technically the same and thus have the same appearance (like very similar looking siblings)
@@mrblack9968 and that's why she took her away, she played the role until she could get her revenge (splitting dad and daughter and then disappearing)
Also in the flashback with Charlie, her face is hidden and there no reason why, people saying because Charlie don't remember, but then what about the paintings ? The different hairstyle ? (Which is uncanny too similar to Eve and we never knew what happen to her and we know she isn't in heaven)
She also mentions she hasn’t been able to get ahold of her mom in awhile on her phone. I think she said something like 7 years of being ghosted? So if that’s the case then she knows what her mom looks like.
To me it’s not because Charlie doesn’t remember her mom but, she subconsciously blocked her mom’s face because she’s hurt her mom has ignored her for the past 7 years. Also we don’t know what Eve looks like, the story we see is a story Charlie’s parents told her. There is some truth to it but, it could also be a little biased. Charlie could have made up how Eve looks like.
Or maybe she wasn’t looking at her moms face and therefore can not remember what she looked like because she never say it in the first place. Also to clear up any potential confusion, I mean it the flash back scene we are shown.
What if..WHAT IF…she’s actually the first ever sinner to get redeemed and that’s why heaven try to stop Charlie since they don’t want anyone figuring this out and this is why Adam doesn’t want Charlie to continue with the hotel since he’s afraid he might loose her too
Yeah but Lute said that since Adam is dead, Lilith has to go down there and stop Charlie. That means she isn't redeemed but rather made a deal with Adam
But the show hasn't given us any direct hints to who he made the deal with. I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around how an insignificant Sinner was able to make a contract with the queen of hell. I think there's a middle man here somewhere, something is off. I don't think its lilith as Husk acknowledges Alastor is on a leash but seems to not know where Charlie's mom is when hearing Charlie speak of how she hasn't seen her since. I really think mentioning both disappeared at the same time might be a red herring for what the truth actually is.
@@amelianekomimi1936i agree but also don’t agree with your statement. when he sings “once i figure out how to unclip my wings, guess who will be pulling all the strings!” it’s like he doesn’t know how, or maybe he doesn’t know what happened to the person he made the deal with.. aka lilith. and they did disappear around the same time (7yrs ago, but alastor returns, albeit, very randomly) i think he made the deal with lilith, perhaps after the battle he had with vox. (going back to the lines at the beginning of “stayed gone”: vox: that fucker is back! val: yeah, i thought he was gone for good, too. vox: it’s been seven years! val: you still pissed he *almost* beat you that time? i think during their fight, alastor wasn’t as powerful as he is now, so he almost lost. then he ran away (like how he did in the fight with adam at the end) and saved himself before making a deal with the queen of hell herself, so he can try to kill vox (or any of the overlords, since collecting souls is pretty much the way to become one) and alastor seems *very, very* power hungry.
@@iinsomniick "it’s like he doesn’t know how, or maybe he doesn’t know what happened to the person he made the deal with.." More so that line to me just means he doesn't know how to escape his contract. Angel dust probably has no idea how to escape his. As for lilith, I have a distate for how everyone immediately leaps it to her or eve. There are plenty of biblical figures or even making a new OC that perhaps could be someone who made a deal with alastor. It's not confirmed to be Lilith or Eve. Even assuming Eve IS evil. Viv might've had it be 7 years ago, around the time of lilith, so this would happen. that all the fans would form a connection that could end up being a red herring. A lot of things may seem to fit together but there is still a chance it's not true and assuming it to be factual is kind of making it harder for people to question what if its something else? I'd find it more believable if someone knew of Lilith's deal and decided to manipulate someone close to her daughter to somehow take advantage of it. Perhaps someone on the lower rankings of the Ars Goetia? Who knows. Maybe another fallen angel/nephilim? Someone like that who may not have direct beef with lilith, but wonder how they could benefit with the Queen of Hell missing.
Plus in edition, we haven't seen Satan in Helluva Boss yet. Samael [his angel name] was one of the few that was seduced by Lilith. Seeing how Alastor's theme fits with voodoo - what would stop him from making a deal with what most people call the Devil? ((its more common in midwest/south area where I'm from that people say satan than lucifer.)) After seeing that Cannibal family in Helluva boss - humans are still actively 'serving satan.' It'd be interesting to see what he's like, his character, and how he feels about Lilith. It would be a real knee slapper if he thought he could try to get rid of Lucifer to somehow win Lilith back.
I think that Lilith was only allowed to stay in heaven as long Adam got to do the exterminations. Once he died and the exterminations ended, she was to return to hell
Since lute said that, I'm thinking Adam never got over Lilith and made a deal with her so she could stay in heaven. Example: "You can stay in heaven for as long as I'm alive" And I only think Adam told lute about Lilith. I also think Lilith owns alasters soul, so while she is in heaven, someone can get close to Charlie and Lucifer and to keep an eye on them and maybe, Lilith's part of the deal with adam, was to get info about Lucifer and/or Charlie. Crazyyyy 😅
I just assumed that Adam let her in Heaven and only him and Lute knew about it. Honestly I don't think Adam really got over Lilith so I could easily see him making a deal with her.
@@alexandriaceballos1938 I have a theory. That the forbidden fruit not only had knowledge but also evil itself. And it took root in Eve. And Lilith went to Heaven to find answers to remove this evil from Eve and save her. Since she and Luci didn't mean to do that. And she didn't tell Charlie because she didn't want to endanger her, or tell Luci because he was already stuck in a depressive state and finding out that they accidentally cursed Eve that way might actually break him with guilt. So Lilith made a deal with Adam to gain access to Heavenly knowledge. Mostly cuz it just gives me major ick to have either of the two women Adam was awful to, especially the one that got stuck with him, be bad guys in the end.
I definitely think Eve is involved. But i also think theres a posibility of Roo being a part of this as well. Clear messaging between the faceless flash backs, the sinister smiles, the timeline being hinted at in the show. Heres to season 2!
I think its just a design change. We know she made a deal with Adam to get into Heaven, so it could be the fact her necklace changed when she got up there.
Idk if anyone has said this but Eves hair is flowy while Liliths isn't in the book only when she's falling or were flying. And the scenes "Lilith" was on the screen her hair was flowy
Honestly, with characters we have this little information on, tiny details can actually be quite important. Characters this mysterious are usually designed very precisely, with thought and intent put into every detail. Hell, I don’t think we’ve ever even seen lilith’s face fully unobstructed except in the paintings. One has to keep in mind that these aren’t real people who just do things for no particular reason, they are shaped and formed entirely by their creators. Their creators can have them do things “because they felt like it” or “for no real reason”, but we don’t know that for sure unless the creators come out and fully say it. Until then, every tiny detail is up for scrutiny.
@@JK-yt3dm while yea, these tiny details could be seen as important, a necklace change or hair being a tad different than we’ve seen in pictures, not animated, I don’t think we’re looking at the right little details
I just dont understand why "Lilith's" face is always hidden. We see her in pictures but never in the flesh. Hidden on the card, hidden in the flashback, hidden at the end of ep 8. I mean why would they hide her face unless something was going on
I like the theory that Eve got corrupted by the apple (in the form of Roo, the Root of all Evil) and to cover that up they asked Lillith to pretend that Eve was fine.
Please also note that in all of the photos of Lilith hanging in the hotel during the pilot, Lilith is wearing a pearl necklace. However, at the end of episode eight, she is wearing a completely different one. Edit: REPLY SECTION CHILL ITS JUST A THING I NOTICED jeez
I think Adam let Lilith back into heaven. I also think Lilith never loved Lucifer but simply knew she could manipulate him (unlike Adam who it’s implied was always trying to boss her around). This would explain why Lucifer is depressed and alone. The woman who got him sent to Hell simply left and maybe he blames himself.
Ya’ll so desperate for her to be heartless evil woman, when the fucken creator herself said how deeply in love lucifer and lilith are, and all the pictures to back that up. Ya’ll are slowwww
@@1swagevilregalallen479 you realize that some people don't keep up with stuff that's stated? Also it's just a show, these are just theories, there's no fucking reason to insult anyone.
How does Lucifer's taunt towards Adam have anything to do with this? All that says is lucifer fucked his ex wife and manipulated his second wife into breaking gods 1 rule
@@NEUVILLETTE500yes definitely, in the part in season 1 ep smth you can see the part where we meet Lucifer is that when he saw the picture of Charlie, Lillith, and him. He did threw his little ducky toy on the frame, is it because he kinda lost his anger or-?
I would like to think carmilla is some how eve do to her seemingly random mother asthetic, knowing Vagi was an angel, and being the first to kill an angel.
Doubt it considering he came to hazbin to see if it was possible to flourish since it was mentioned before that he'd want to be redeemed to see his momma in heaven as he is a mommas boy.
@@amelianekomimi1936 he is very clearly showing signs he doesn't want to be redeemed, thinks it's stupid and would mever work. Wonder how it would go when they learn Sir Pentious got to heaven tho.
Lilith on the card is purple. Lilith we see is white and gold, like an angel. There is a pretty low chance of Lilith being redeemed, and you don’t gain an angelic form just for being in heaven at the time. For the meeting in heaven, Charlie nor Vaggie became angelic-ish.
While I completely agree that it’s unlikely that Lilith got purified or whatever, Charlie has the same color skin and hair even before she visited Heaven and both of the Seraphim and Vaggie have darker skin. I personally believe that the Bleached white skin of the Morningstar family is because they hold holy energy that is corrupted. That’s not to say they themselves are corrupt, but that their powers are. But then again Charlie had only been up in Heaven for like a day and a bit, so who knows. Guess it depends on what lore mother Vivzie decides.
It makes sense since lucifer said while fighting adam "your first wife liked what I gave to her" which is probably a joke but I think that lucifer was serious when he said this
When taunting Adam, Lucifer says "Well your first wife didn't seem to hate what I had to offer, or the SECOND!" He then proceeded to do a hip thrusting motion. In pagan texts it is mentioned how Eve was "Adams second wife" However Lilith isn't actually mentioned in the book of Genesis therefore according to the Bible, Eve is the only wife of Adam.
When Lucifer and Adam fight they mention 2 wives so Eve and Lilith are 2 different people, Its just that Adam has a type (they literally look like each other) 😅
Given how much Viv has said she likes drama and the fact we have nothing to go on with Eve except she took the apple and was smiling incredibly similar to the card I think this is as good a theory as any. I personally think Lute says Lilith in a very strange way as well when talking to her so it's very possible Roo(root of all evil) did something with Lilith and Eve since Roo is supposed to be the big bad from what I hear.
Also the family paintings Lilith has the pearl necklace but when we saw the clip of her taking Charlie as a child her neck lace wasn’t there and when we saw her on that beach she was wearing another necklace so it is possible that eve could be disguised as her
Unpopular opinion but, I don’t believe in the Eve theory. For one it’s going to ignore that Lilith is going to be a complex character. Maybe she divorced Lucifer because she wanted to do something and had enough of his depression. Also I dislike the idea making Eve the villain just to make the Morningstar family look good.
@@quincyconnors9391 may I ask why though? There’s not much for her to do. The Veess will be the villains of season 2. At most I see Lilith as an antagonist. The main villain will probably be Roo, who I see as her own entity with Alastor forced to work for her.
I'm pretty sure he's just doing the bow chica bow wow to piss off Adam and all he's actually implying is how he fucked his ex wife and manipulated his second wife into eating the forbidden fruit
Everyone automatically demonizing eve is horrible too. Demonizing her like the man who wrote liliths story back in the Renaissance era. I really hope eve is doing good and isnt an antagonist.
@makthemaniac1 "It would make sense" but that doesn't make it factual. We are not given any evidence that she is some sort of overarching evil. All we got was a clip of her with a red smile. We're not given much else. A clip of her smiling and lilith wearing a different necklace is really not a good foundation.
it is - it just sucks when a fandom has a theory that they come to ACCEPT as fact. I've seen arguments started where someone tried to bring up another theory {{about satan having a contract with alastor}} and he got shot down because "no you fucking dumbass its obviously lilith" Seeing it regurgitated as fact is starting to get annoying - especially the only justification being her necklace.
@@makthemaniac1 I know but its okay for it to BE A THEORY. I'm more so annoyed by people that act as if Lilith/Eve are FACTs and try to tell others to stfu since clearly, it HAS to be one or the other.
in my theory, eve and Lilith must've made a deal so eve pretends as Lilith and Lilith can have her own peace, since maybe eve wanted a revenge from lucifer? besides, lucifer gave the Apple to eve before eve concept design came out, maybe that was when eve pretended as Lilith and made Charlie, lucifer away from each other then eve was seperated from lucifer, we know Lilith has horns so when Charlie was singing in more than anything we can see Lilith has no horns there and hair different color as well, if Lilith is going to go down to hell to the hazbin hotel, maybe we can see Lilith telling alastor to distract Charlie from heaven and hell to work together or manipulate lucifer and Charlie? just a theory
I did notice that when Lilith is going towards the door you can see her horns They're a little hard to see and cut off by the framing, but they are there
also it feels like eve is theheaven charlys mother, wich would explain the similarities between them we know that a created human can still make a fully powerfull demon/royalty so eve is still on the table, just adam is not the father
Why would Lut call her Lilith with only the two of them around? Given we see Lilith take Chatlie away from Lucifer, I think it IS Lilith in Heaven. Part of her deal to be there was to estrange Lucifer and Charlie to ensure that Hell's Royalty wouldn't team up and eventually overthrow Heaven. However, Charlie's attempts to redeem sinners essentially turns the system on its head, and the deal by Lilith was undone during Heaven's attack when Nifty killed Adam. Also, I just like the idea of Lilith being a bad mom who didn't care about Charlie and did things to benefit herself.
It’s possible that Eve kidnapped Lilith, disguised and masqueraded as Lilith around hell, broke with Lucifer, and did something with Heaven that allowed her to stay. Her leaving Lucifer would also help because she hates him and Lilith, crippling the functioning of the kingdom of those who she hates the most and indirectly causing the exterminations; that’s why lute calls her Lilith because everyone believes Eve to be Lilith but the real Lilith is trapped.
@@amelianekomimi1936 I agree with you there, but there are a bunch of more characters we haven’t seen, including Roo, and there’s a possibility that she and Eve are plotting something together
@KasQevian Charlie said Lucifer allowed Heaven to give the exterminations, and Lute confirmed he had it so Hellborns like his daughter are given a pardon from the slaughters. And he already explained he doesn't consider Sinners to be hos people, theyvare just awful reminders of what he did. (Give free will)
Here's also a really big one...she doesn't have her horns :/ and yes i know she might have ability to hide her horns but wouldn't she hide them in the familiy photos like luci and Charley? Idk i just thought of this and i thought it was something to add to all of this :)
I have sort of a subtheory to this one, what if Eve was actually Charlie's mom, BUT she is an angel, so they switched lives so that Lilith could stay in Heaven and Eve could stay with her daughter? And even as an added bonus (though its a stretch and probably not true, but we dont know where Eve has been at all) what if, since shes connected to Adam, Eve is the exterminator angel that got her head cut off? This could possibly explain why Adam cares so much about this but is also keeping things a secret from the rest of Heaven cause he doesnt want anyone to know about the deal with himself, Lute, Lilith, and Eve? To be honest, this all sounds like its a possibility, it would make sense why Eve and Lilith look similar since Lil is the first woman and Eve was probably based off of Lilith in a lot of ways. If so then i would get why the real Lilith in Heaven wouldnt want to go back- it wasnt just 7 years, it was her entire afterlife spent in heaven. It would explain too why we see a difference in their personalities and general vibes in shots, though small moments. Idk this is my crack theory.
AND MAYBE THATS WHY LUCIFER AND EVE SEPERATED BECAUSE MAYBE HE FOUND OUT IT WAS EVE/KNEW THE WHOLE TIME AND EVE FUCKIN DIED BUT HE COULDNT SAY ANYTHING AND HAD TO SUFFER IN SILENCE AND LIE TO HIS DAUGHTER ABOUT HER MOTHER BEING EVE AND BEING DEAD HOLY SHIT
Maybe even he made up the book especially for Charlie, since he loved to tell her stories all the time (or Eve did) and why wouldn't Charlie believe her dad when he says Lilith was the first lady and not Eve? They could have been LYING TOO ABOUT THE STORY
I have a theory where Eve is Roo(root of evil) in disguise and Lilith is her advisor, Lucifer gave the apple to eve and she *ate it* allowing evil(Roo) to find her way to earth. Since she ate the apple Roo might’ve possessed her somehow and Lilith(since she was also involved with this) might’ve made a deal of sorts with her, not a soul deal however because all people who are on a leash seem to use the aesthetic of their owners. (Angeldust is pink like Valentino, husk and nifty have red like Alastor.) Roo is red and Lilith still has her dark purple and black color scheme. Roo might’ve offered her something in exchange for power, Roo might be trapped somewhere because otherwise she might be walking around freely and causing chaos. Heaven might’ve trapped her and now she needs help to get out. This is where Alastor comes in, Lilith might have given her a little bit of her own power but she still wants to keep as much as possible, she finds Alastor the Radio Demon and makes a deal with him or offers him power if he was to come with her to meet someone, little did he know. The embodiment of evil was who he was going to meet, Roo might have powers where she can see people inside and out and found out he was a mama’s boy who still loves his mother very much. She might have offered for Lilith to bring him to heaven where he could see his mom again in exchange for a little bit of power. Alastor unknowingly signed a soul contract with her and now he’s on her leash. He got to see his mother but after that he went back down to meet Roo again. She might’ve told them both to spy in heaven which is why Lilith was there, she might’ve made a deal with Adam to allow her to be there and make it seem like she’s allowed. She probably would’ve kept Alastor from sight until she got a message from Roo asking him to go back down to hell. This explains the seven year thing. Alastor goes back down to hell and talks a bit with Roo about something possibly being an order or request to check out what the Morningstar(Charlie) is doing. He obeys and goes to find out what is going on. He finds the TVs with the news on them and sees Charlie on screen talking about her project he decides she might be powerful enough to break his deal with Roo so he can get his power back. And the events of the pilot take place. He tries to get on Charlie’s good or at least better side so he can get what he wants leading to the events of season 1, Viv says the main villain is going to be Vox for season 2 though. This might lead to the Vees throwing a wrench into Alastor’s plans and it might lead to either Lilith or Roo finding out about what he’s trying to do and stop it. But remember loyalty theorists.. it’s just a theory… A HAZBIN THEORY!! Thankyou for reading.
Here is my theory. So in the beginning of the story evil and good seemed like their own entities. After Eve ate the apple and evil was allowed into earth i think what happened is whatever evil is, it possessed Eve, corrupting her and using her like a puppet. I think she hid away in hell, slowly gaining power. Some time after lilith had charlie i think Roo finally saw its chance to kidnap lilith and switched places with her, pretending to be her. Roo split from lucifer and took charlie from him to keep her weak and naieve. I think Roo also is the one who made the extermination deal with adam because as lucifer said he hasnt seen him since eden, meaning lucifer couldnt have made the deal, he probably allowed Roo to talk him into it with his stipulation being the hellborne remain untouched. I think the reason Roo wanted into heaven was so they could corrupt it, possibly even destroy it. If she pits the demons and angels against each other, who is gonna be able to stop her from finally taking the power of their version of god, or good as charlie referred to it in her story. With that power combination in one being Roo would be unstoppable. I also think Roo has a deal with Alastor, he probably almost died after his fight with vox, she probably saved him and he wanted more power so the two struck a deal. Roo wants to make sure charlie stays weak and out of her way but Alastor has his own plans, he wants charlie to be powerful so he can use her against Roo.
I have the same theory, with Eve being Roo 'The Root of All Evil' or 'The Root of All Eve-il' and She's the one who Alastor made a deal with and is the reason why he's so powerful but with Adam seeing Eve turn into Roo, which horrified him, and he blames Lucifer and the reason why he allowed Lilith into Heaven is to make Lucifer pay and the reason why Heaven allows the extermination to happen is secretly because with more sinners in Hell Roo grows stronger and the reason why Alastor is helping Charlie is because he thinks maybe Charlie could help free him from his deal with Roo?
@@bagelninja9982 I agree with that theory because it would make since if eve turned into Roo after eating the forbidden fruit and I would believe that alastor made a deal with her because both her and alastor have the ability to summon and control eltritch monsters and if you pay close attention we can see that a bunch of eyes follow alastor wherever he goes
@connorchavez6354 I also have another theory that Purgatory exists with it being the opposite of Heaven not Hell since Heaven had existed before Hell existed, and while I know characters joke about it that there is a Double Hell, but what if there is and its Purgatory and perhaps that's is where Roo was sent and where Alastor went for seven years? Also, maybe that's where Adam was sent, and despite everything he has done Charlie, being herself frees him since she's all about second chances as maybe she sees everything from his point of view and she understands why he's like the way he is?
@@bagelninja9982 that does make since, I also believe that if sir pentious can go to heaven why not adam go to hell? I just hope we get to see more of adams story in season 2 because it would be interesting to see him try and redeam himself!
My theory is that Lucifer cheated on Lilith with Eve (during the Lucifer vs Adam fight, Lucifer lets slip/brags that he took both of his girls and did the "bow-chica-wow-wow."). Lilith, being rightly upset with Lucifer, makes some sort of deal with Adam and leaves Lucifer to join paradise. Thats why Lucifer is so tight lipped around why Lilith left, even though it seems he knows more than he's telling his daughter and keeps trying to distract himself by throwing himself into his "invention" hobby.
I'd say Lillith has more right to be in heaven than Eve. Lillith is without knowledge of morality, just like Adam, which I took to mean they can just go wherever regardlessof actualmorality. Eve meanwhile was the first actual sinner. I'd guess if she's still alive in hell and Adam didn't kill her, she's probably the worst and most powerful sinner of all
This is a really good theory but why would Eve be in Hell in the first place? In the Christain Bible it's because she directly disobeyed God and ate the fruit knowing she wasn't supposed to, but in HH she was tricked into eating the apple and didn't know it was wrong (correct me if I'm wrong about this).
No hate but in the bible she was technically tricked by the devil to eat tha apple as she was promised God's knowledge or something. Sorry I don't really remember that story well especially since I am non-religious 😅
Screw it, crack pot theory time. Alister made a deal with Eve that ultimately left Lilith MIA, either dead or captured, then due to Alister's desire for more, well everything, he tries to claim power from Lilith but then Eve steps in defeating him and offering him not just a deal but an ultimatum, due to his understanding of how souls and the afterlife work, he would share his power and expertise to basic give her Lilith's power and appearance. With said combined power she was able to open a portal to heaven where she then made a deal posing as Lilith with Adam that she would cause no more trouble for him so long as she could remain in heaven. Again, wild theory that could probably use some refining. This is just assuming that the person lounging in heaven wasn't just Lilith
My theory is that it is Lilith and she was the one to come up with the extermination idea And Lucifer didn’t like the idea and well they had a fight she turned to heaven they said it was a good solution and in return she wanted to be let back into heaven
Started watching the series. The very first few minutes of episode one. Pretty much explains why the entire series is a musical. Lilith never gave up and continued to spread her influence with her songs. The entire reason musical numbers break out in both heaven and Hell, is bc Lillith was in BOTH realms.
I don’t really like the Eve Theory. I like to think Eve and Lilith have a sister-type of relationship and we don’t know what either of them are doing behind the curtains. Lilith built Hell as in Charlie’s story and has Alastor helping Charlie in her stead because I think shes trying to change the system in her own way or dealing with stuff that we don’t know about yet. I also don’t think Eve should be considered bad/evil - she had to deal with Adam’s BS for a long time so honestly I kind of feel bad for her.
Tbh I think Lilith is also two faced there is theories about her necklace and sht or how her horns are not on her head I just think that Lilith and Eve will come later on for now it's better to not theories much about any of them bcus you never know which one of the characters Is the main villian
Think it's more that Lilith was never truly banished just went with lucifer because she was pregnant, but made a deal with Adam and Allister because she was having twins. Gave one child, Emily to heaven and gave Charlie to hell. Went to heaven to keep an eye on emily.
My personal theory is that Eve is slowly trying to regain power over hell and shes trying to do it through the Vee's, if you literally move the V to the right you get Eve
I was expecting the Eve's first child Cain was Lucifer's son theory. But that's not new. But Luci did do the "Bow-chika-bow-wow" when he mentioned her.
I do, same with Roo. I definitely could see Eve wanting revenge on Heaven, Lucifer and Lilith, and also Adam and his descendants for all the pain they put her through. Her pretending to be Lilith could be part of such a grand plan as she could have learned Hell's weaknesses and kickoff the divorce that made Lucifer heartbroken and cut him away from his daughter. Meanwhile the real Lilith knows what is going on as has been trying to stop the Imposter, likely making sacrifices to do so like divorcing Lucifer to protect him, Hell, and especially Charlie to a degree and allying with Heaven to get and edge on stopping the Imposter Lilith.
I can see it being true, especially when you cross reference it to what Lucifer said during his fight with Adam, Lilith possibly felt cheated and left without a trace, Charlie could have a tragic ptsd memory from then and eve was the step mother for her, might also be why she can't get ahold of her mom because she didn't give her the correct number, while Charlie still trys to keep her close relationship with her "mother" you can hear and see that she's basically doing what one of the angels were doing, the same pitch and everything (for those who may not get it, I'm talking about the angel who agreed to the extermination and keeps it secret) so we're probably gonna have a VERY heavy arc for Charlie at one point.
What if Lilith and Eve are actually twin sisters and Lilith was the one who went to hell and Eve ended up in heaven but when Lilith got pregnant she figured she didn’t want to be a mom but Eve might have wanted to be a mom but just didn’t really like Adam or didn’t want to have a child with Adam so Lilith ended up having Charlie. And when Charlie was born Lilith and Eve switched lives because their “twins” and nobody really knows this
Many people forget that Lillith and Eve are literally twins- like after Lillith abandoned Adam, God made Eve out of Adam's rib to look like an exact replica of Lillith. Some cases this leads to the death of Lillith (some how, forgot why) and is why Eve was the first to take the apple, Lucifer missed his dead wife and saw her in Eve
Theres also the fact that her necklace the pearls Lilth wears them in every official art of Lilith but in every time shes on screen shes not wearing it its odd, plus wjy would she want to hurt Charlie?
Okay, I'm basing this off information from the series itself. Not any other outside source, but during the last episode of the season Lucifer during his fight with Adam admits to knowing both Lilith and Eve and having an been with both of them. So that being said, my best guess here is that Lilith and Eve are most definitely possibly twins. If not, very close in appearance to one another. Also there's still The matter of roo being involved as The embodiment of evil
I'm just assuming Eve's creepy smile and her being how evil got in means she's actually in Hell and is probably the major antagonist.... And maybe who holds Alastor's leash.
Not only that, lucifer still has his wedding ring. If they were divorced why would he still have his ring? You could say that he is depressed and shit but even when depressed he still tries his best to be respectful to the people he cares about, like Charlie. Not only that but lucifer and Lilith being divorced would be like BIG news, only thing that was said was that she went missing
They let her back in because she came up with the extermination deal, executioners kill demons for one day a year in exchange she got to go to heaven. Lute said so at the end of the first season. Adam was dead, exterminations are over, and so is their deal.
My theory is that Eve is actually Roo, Eve is the one who ate the apple. Therefor bringing sin into the world, starting sin is also the start of evil. So technically speaking, that would kinda make Eve the Root of All Evil.
Considering we have yet to see Eve at all and have only heard her mentioned twice (the second time when Lucifer made the “bow-chika-bow-wow” taunt😂😂😂), I say this theory does hold quite a bit of reasoning in it
Its wild on the amount of people bring up the necklance being diffrent and that's the reason its not lillith like a women can't change her Fashion sense? 😂 The idea is she probably changed the necklace's depending on what she's wearing, like that black necklace look's good with the clothes she's wearing on the beach i don't think big ass pearls would.
I thought of this theory before it was created like right after we saw “Lilith” in episode 8, another thing to think about is that in the Bible we are given evidence that says that the first 2 humans are meant to be perfect, so maybe the reason Eve looks like Lilith is because she is the apparent “perfect” version of Lilith but was mad at this and blamed Lilith and Lucifer + Charlie, and her being the main villain of season 3 most likely as The Vees are the main villains of season 2
I want the record to state that I was the first to say this when the show barely came out. I posted it on Reddit and everybody called me crazy. No one believed me. And now it is running through the Internet. I was ridiculed for this theory, and now it is popular goddamnit.
Theres another theory where Eve is actually the step mother of Charlie and who took care of her for her childhood and became the one that was inspiring hell. It states that Lilith being independent didnt want to be tied down by a family so she sent off on her own adventures. Leaving eve to step in the morningstar family. Charlies just mistakes eve for her mother Lilith. Maybe Lilith and Eve are twins or something along those lines. A little far fetch but it would just add so much more complex storylines for the series.
Well technically when Lilith was first mention they are said to look alike but Eventually in the Bible Lilith was removed
Translate
et non conclusit eos sic fecit
Well,
Lilith was made of the same material as Adam,
while Eve is made of one of Adam's ribs,
so they are technically the same and thus have the same appearance
(like very similar looking siblings)
No way Eve would raise the daughter of the being who ruined her life 💀
@@mrblack9968 and that's why she took her away, she played the role until she could get her revenge (splitting dad and daughter and then disappearing)
that would make actually a lot of sense what
Also in the flashback with Charlie, her face is hidden and there no reason why, people saying because Charlie don't remember, but then what about the paintings ? The different hairstyle ? (Which is uncanny too similar to Eve and we never knew what happen to her and we know she isn't in heaven)
She also mentions she hasn’t been able to get ahold of her mom in awhile on her phone. I think she said something like 7 years of being ghosted? So if that’s the case then she knows what her mom looks like.
To me it’s not because Charlie doesn’t remember her mom but, she subconsciously blocked her mom’s face because she’s hurt her mom has ignored her for the past 7 years. Also we don’t know what Eve looks like, the story we see is a story Charlie’s parents told her. There is some truth to it but, it could also be a little biased. Charlie could have made up how Eve looks like.
It's weird since we get Lilith s apperance hammered into our head in Lucy s office several times
Or maybe she wasn’t looking at her moms face and therefore can not remember what she looked like because she never say it in the first place. Also to clear up any potential confusion, I mean it the flash back scene we are shown.
@@moondivine2288Yes but Adam in the story looks just like the real Adam, and she never saw him before. Also Sera is in the story
What if..WHAT IF…she’s actually the first ever sinner to get redeemed and that’s why heaven try to stop Charlie since they don’t want anyone figuring this out and this is why Adam doesn’t want Charlie to continue with the hotel since he’s afraid he might loose her too
Yeah but Lute said that since Adam is dead, Lilith has to go down there and stop Charlie. That means she isn't redeemed but rather made a deal with Adam
@@Apophis.004 They mean Eve, not Lilith.
@@r-171 oh
Plus who ever is in the card is shushing with their finger and Yknow who can’t talk about their deal/contract?…
Alastor.
Yeah amd alistor sought out for her
But the show hasn't given us any direct hints to who he made the deal with.
I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around how an insignificant Sinner was able to make a contract with the queen of hell.
I think there's a middle man here somewhere, something is off.
I don't think its lilith as Husk acknowledges Alastor is on a leash but seems to not know where Charlie's mom is when hearing Charlie speak of how she hasn't seen her since.
I really think mentioning both disappeared at the same time might be a red herring for what the truth actually is.
@@amelianekomimi1936i agree but also don’t agree with your statement. when he sings “once i figure out how to unclip my wings, guess who will be pulling all the strings!” it’s like he doesn’t know how, or maybe he doesn’t know what happened to the person he made the deal with.. aka lilith. and they did disappear around the same time (7yrs ago, but alastor returns, albeit, very randomly) i think he made the deal with lilith, perhaps after the battle he had with vox. (going back to the lines at the beginning of “stayed gone”:
vox: that fucker is back!
val: yeah, i thought he was gone for good, too.
vox: it’s been seven years!
val: you still pissed he *almost* beat you that time?
i think during their fight, alastor wasn’t as powerful as he is now, so he almost lost. then he ran away (like how he did in the fight with adam at the end) and saved himself before making a deal with the queen of hell herself, so he can try to kill vox (or any of the overlords, since collecting souls is pretty much the way to become one) and alastor seems *very, very* power hungry.
@@iinsomniick "it’s like he doesn’t know how, or maybe he doesn’t know what happened to the person he made the deal with.."
More so that line to me just means he doesn't know how to escape his contract. Angel dust probably has no idea how to escape his.
As for lilith, I have a distate for how everyone immediately leaps it to her or eve. There are plenty of biblical figures or even making a new OC that perhaps could be someone who made a deal with alastor.
It's not confirmed to be Lilith or Eve. Even assuming Eve IS evil.
Viv might've had it be 7 years ago, around the time of lilith, so this would happen. that all the fans would form a connection that could end up being a red herring.
A lot of things may seem to fit together but there is still a chance it's not true and assuming it to be factual is kind of making it harder for people to question what if its something else?
I'd find it more believable if someone knew of Lilith's deal and decided to manipulate someone close to her daughter to somehow take advantage of it.
Perhaps someone on the lower rankings of the Ars Goetia? Who knows. Maybe another fallen angel/nephilim? Someone like that who may not have direct beef with lilith, but wonder how they could benefit with the Queen of Hell missing.
Plus in edition, we haven't seen Satan in Helluva Boss yet. Samael [his angel name] was one of the few that was seduced by Lilith.
Seeing how Alastor's theme fits with voodoo - what would stop him from making a deal with what most people call the Devil? ((its more common in midwest/south area where I'm from that people say satan than lucifer.))
After seeing that Cannibal family in Helluva boss - humans are still actively 'serving satan.' It'd be interesting to see what he's like, his character, and how he feels about Lilith.
It would be a real knee slapper if he thought he could try to get rid of Lucifer to somehow win Lilith back.
LUTE SAID "Your deal is over adam is dead, if you want to stay here" Lilith is not eve in disguise. If anything I think Roo is pulling strings.
I think that Lilith was only allowed to stay in heaven as long Adam got to do the exterminations. Once he died and the exterminations ended, she was to return to hell
Since lute said that, I'm thinking Adam never got over Lilith and made a deal with her so she could stay in heaven. Example: "You can stay in heaven for as long as I'm alive" And I only think Adam told lute about Lilith.
I also think Lilith owns alasters soul, so while she is in heaven, someone can get close to Charlie and Lucifer and to keep an eye on them and maybe, Lilith's part of the deal with adam, was to get info about Lucifer and/or Charlie.
Crazyyyy 😅
I just assumed that Adam let her in Heaven and only him and Lute knew about it. Honestly I don't think Adam really got over Lilith so I could easily see him making a deal with her.
Glad I’m not the only one who thinks that.
@@alexandriaceballos1938 I have a theory. That the forbidden fruit not only had knowledge but also evil itself. And it took root in Eve. And Lilith went to Heaven to find answers to remove this evil from Eve and save her. Since she and Luci didn't mean to do that. And she didn't tell Charlie because she didn't want to endanger her, or tell Luci because he was already stuck in a depressive state and finding out that they accidentally cursed Eve that way might actually break him with guilt. So Lilith made a deal with Adam to gain access to Heavenly knowledge. Mostly cuz it just gives me major ick to have either of the two women Adam was awful to, especially the one that got stuck with him, be bad guys in the end.
@@VampireNinjaBunniesmaybe they are bad guys. Lilith is gonna be an antagonist, we know that.
I definitely think Eve is involved. But i also think theres a posibility of Roo being a part of this as well. Clear messaging between the faceless flash backs, the sinister smiles, the timeline being hinted at in the show. Heres to season 2!
I think its just a design change. We know she made a deal with Adam to get into Heaven, so it could be the fact her necklace changed when she got up there.
Idk if anyone has said this but Eves hair is flowy while Liliths isn't in the book only when she's falling or were flying. And the scenes "Lilith" was on the screen her hair was flowy
What? XD kind of a random detail to bring up, just like the necklace. These things CAN change
Honestly, with characters we have this little information on, tiny details can actually be quite important. Characters this mysterious are usually designed very precisely, with thought and intent put into every detail. Hell, I don’t think we’ve ever even seen lilith’s face fully unobstructed except in the paintings. One has to keep in mind that these aren’t real people who just do things for no particular reason, they are shaped and formed entirely by their creators. Their creators can have them do things “because they felt like it” or “for no real reason”, but we don’t know that for sure unless the creators come out and fully say it. Until then, every tiny detail is up for scrutiny.
@@JK-yt3dm while yea, these tiny details could be seen as important, a necklace change or hair being a tad different than we’ve seen in pictures, not animated, I don’t think we’re looking at the right little details
Also, Didja miss the part in the opening story about lilith and hells creation? Her hair seemed awfully flowy to me
@@AngeldustPictures57ok what about horns? Lilith cant hide them
I just dont understand why "Lilith's" face is always hidden. We see her in pictures but never in the flesh. Hidden on the card, hidden in the flashback, hidden at the end of ep 8. I mean why would they hide her face unless something was going on
fr
Bro fr
I like the theory that Eve got corrupted by the apple (in the form of Roo, the Root of all Evil) and to cover that up they asked Lillith to pretend that Eve was fine.
Roo is a fan character, not a canon character.
@@ConfuseDirt Vivzie made a fanon character of her own show?
@@ConfuseDirtshe was made by Vivzie, and she’s already said she’s going to be in the show as well.
Please also note that in all of the photos of Lilith hanging in the hotel during the pilot, Lilith is wearing a pearl necklace. However, at the end of episode eight, she is wearing a completely different one.
Edit: REPLY SECTION CHILL ITS JUST A THING I NOTICED jeez
Pretty sure you got that from AyyyLmao but cant it be just that she just didnt want it anymore
Yeah, It's just a small detail she might just have decided to change it
(Also I notice the first watch lol)
It might just be a symbol of her moving on from her past life bc luci might have given her the necklace
@@pinketydrinkety-yp5ys._. She wasn’t wearing it in the past either when married to Lucifer
You know multiple people can notice the same detail??? @@Skribbeel
I think Adam let Lilith back into heaven. I also think Lilith never loved Lucifer but simply knew she could manipulate him (unlike Adam who it’s implied was always trying to boss her around). This would explain why Lucifer is depressed and alone. The woman who got him sent to Hell simply left and maybe he blames himself.
That's what I've been thinking
What? Underdawg is a hazbin fan?
Viv has repeatedly stated that Lucifer and Lilith genuinely love each other and are like Morticia and Gomez Addams
Ya’ll so desperate for her to be heartless evil woman, when the fucken creator herself said how deeply in love lucifer and lilith are, and all the pictures to back that up.
Ya’ll are slowwww
@@1swagevilregalallen479 you realize that some people don't keep up with stuff that's stated? Also it's just a show, these are just theories, there's no fucking reason to insult anyone.
"Well your first wife didn't seem to hate what I have to offer. Or the second. Bow chicka bow wow!"
Lucifer to Adam.
How does Lucifer's taunt towards Adam have anything to do with this? All that says is lucifer fucked his ex wife and manipulated his second wife into breaking gods 1 rule
"I'm going to FUCK you"
- Lucifer to Adam
I agree I was just about to comment that
"I'm going to fuck you"
- Lucifer to Adam
I am glad someone pointed that out. That really just kills this who "they are the same person" theory because if anyone would know it would be Lucifer
Also note unlike Lucifer who still wears his ring, Lilith isnt seen with a wedding band at all
just theorizing but, what if he is just in denial due to his depression?
Lucifer might still wear the ring because he misses her.
@@NEUVILLETTE500yes definitely, in the part in season 1 ep smth you can see the part where we meet Lucifer is that when he saw the picture of Charlie, Lillith, and him. He did threw his little ducky toy on the frame, is it because he kinda lost his anger or-?
I would like to think carmilla is some how eve do to her seemingly random mother asthetic, knowing Vagi was an angel, and being the first to kill an angel.
The only thing I believe is that Alastor is going to be the final boss of Hazbin Hotel
Doubt it considering he came to hazbin to see if it was possible to flourish since it was mentioned before that he'd want to be redeemed to see his momma in heaven as he is a mommas boy.
@@amelianekomimi1936 he is very clearly showing signs he doesn't want to be redeemed, thinks it's stupid and would mever work. Wonder how it would go when they learn Sir Pentious got to heaven tho.
Lilith on the card is purple. Lilith we see is white and gold, like an angel. There is a pretty low chance of Lilith being redeemed, and you don’t gain an angelic form just for being in heaven at the time. For the meeting in heaven, Charlie nor Vaggie became angelic-ish.
While I completely agree that it’s unlikely that Lilith got purified or whatever, Charlie has the same color skin and hair even before she visited Heaven and both of the Seraphim and Vaggie have darker skin.
I personally believe that the Bleached white skin of the Morningstar family is because they hold holy energy that is corrupted. That’s not to say they themselves are corrupt, but that their powers are.
But then again Charlie had only been up in Heaven for like a day and a bit, so who knows. Guess it depends on what lore mother Vivzie decides.
It makes sense since lucifer said while fighting adam "your first wife liked what I gave to her" which is probably a joke but I think that lucifer was serious when he said this
When taunting Adam, Lucifer says "Well your first wife didn't seem to hate what I had to offer, or the SECOND!" He then proceeded to do a hip thrusting motion. In pagan texts it is mentioned how Eve was "Adams second wife" However Lilith isn't actually mentioned in the book of Genesis therefore according to the Bible, Eve is the only wife of Adam.
When Lucifer and Adam fight they mention 2 wives so Eve and Lilith are 2 different people, Its just that Adam has a type (they literally look like each other) 😅
Given how much Viv has said she likes drama and the fact we have nothing to go on with Eve except she took the apple and was smiling incredibly similar to the card I think this is as good a theory as any. I personally think Lute says Lilith in a very strange way as well when talking to her so it's very possible Roo(root of all evil) did something with Lilith and Eve since Roo is supposed to be the big bad from what I hear.
If that is true then adam gets violated in the whole story he lost everything i think
Also the family paintings Lilith has the pearl necklace but when we saw the clip of her taking Charlie as a child her neck lace wasn’t there and when we saw her on that beach she was wearing another necklace so it is possible that eve could be disguised as her
Unpopular opinion but, I don’t believe in the Eve theory. For one it’s going to ignore that Lilith is going to be a complex character. Maybe she divorced Lucifer because she wanted to do something and had enough of his depression. Also I dislike the idea making Eve the villain just to make the Morningstar family look good.
Im glad im not the only one
I don't think this is the unpopular opinion I think there's a few people who are making it seem like everybody believes it but most people don't.
I think Eve is going to be a villain too, but different than Adam and Lilith.
@@quincyconnors9391 may I ask why though? There’s not much for her to do. The Veess will be the villains of season 2. At most I see Lilith as an antagonist. The main villain will probably be Roo, who I see as her own entity with Alastor forced to work for her.
@moondivine2288 That face Eve made in the fairy tale is an awful lot like the "Evil" face in the story.
People aren’t noticing how Lucifer is taunting Adam and says “your first wife didn’t seem to mind what I had to offer, or the second 🥴”
I'm pretty sure he's just doing the bow chica bow wow to piss off Adam and all he's actually implying is how he fucked his ex wife and manipulated his second wife into eating the forbidden fruit
Lilith is literally Lilith, of course she wouldn’t have Morningstar in her surname.
Everyone automatically demonizing eve is horrible too.
Demonizing her like the man who wrote liliths story back in the Renaissance era.
I really hope eve is doing good and isnt an antagonist.
it would make sense if she was an antagonist
she was tricked and manipulated her entire life so it honestly fits
@makthemaniac1 "It would make sense" but that doesn't make it factual.
We are not given any evidence that she is some sort of overarching evil.
All we got was a clip of her with a red smile. We're not given much else.
A clip of her smiling and lilith wearing a different necklace is really not a good foundation.
@@amelianekomimi1936 i mean hey man thats your opinion but thats what theories are for
it is - it just sucks when a fandom has a theory that they come to ACCEPT as fact. I've seen arguments started where someone tried to bring up another theory {{about satan having a contract with alastor}} and he got shot down because
"no you fucking dumbass its obviously lilith"
Seeing it regurgitated as fact is starting to get annoying - especially the only justification being her necklace.
@@makthemaniac1 I know but its okay for it to BE A THEORY. I'm more so annoyed by people that act as if Lilith/Eve are FACTs and try to tell others to stfu since clearly, it HAS to be one or the other.
I’m pretty sure that it actually is Lilith because Charlie has her nose, but I do think she is hiding something.
in my theory, eve and Lilith must've made a deal so eve pretends as Lilith and Lilith can have her own peace, since maybe eve wanted a revenge from lucifer? besides, lucifer gave the Apple to eve
before eve concept design came out, maybe that was when eve pretended as Lilith and made Charlie, lucifer away from each other then eve was seperated from lucifer, we know Lilith has horns so when Charlie was singing in more than anything we can see Lilith has no horns there and hair different color as well, if Lilith is going to go down to hell to the hazbin hotel, maybe we can see Lilith telling alastor to distract Charlie from heaven and hell to work together or manipulate lucifer and Charlie? just a theory
I did notice that when Lilith is going towards the door you can see her horns
They're a little hard to see and cut off by the framing, but they are there
I did find the tone lute used when calling her Lilith a bit odd as well as her reacting to being called lilith
Nah they are different people, Lilith and Eve is different I remember when Lucifer says like "ur second wife doesn't think it's a bad thing" to adam
also it feels like eve is theheaven charlys mother, wich would explain the similarities between them
we know that a created human can still make a fully powerfull demon/royalty
so eve is still on the table, just adam is not the father
Actually, during the big battle,lucifer say"or the second one"
Why would Lut call her Lilith with only the two of them around?
Given we see Lilith take Chatlie away from Lucifer, I think it IS Lilith in Heaven. Part of her deal to be there was to estrange Lucifer and Charlie to ensure that Hell's Royalty wouldn't team up and eventually overthrow Heaven. However, Charlie's attempts to redeem sinners essentially turns the system on its head, and the deal by Lilith was undone during Heaven's attack when Nifty killed Adam. Also, I just like the idea of Lilith being a bad mom who didn't care about Charlie and did things to benefit herself.
It’s possible that Eve kidnapped Lilith, disguised and masqueraded as Lilith around hell, broke with Lucifer, and did something with Heaven that allowed her to stay. Her leaving Lucifer would also help because she hates him and Lilith, crippling the functioning of the kingdom of those who she hates the most and indirectly causing the exterminations; that’s why lute calls her Lilith because everyone believes Eve to be Lilith but the real Lilith is trapped.
@@KasQevianI still think lilith is more powerful than eve.
@@amelianekomimi1936 I agree with you there, but there are a bunch of more characters we haven’t seen, including Roo, and there’s a possibility that she and Eve are plotting something together
@KasQevian Charlie said Lucifer allowed Heaven to give the exterminations, and Lute confirmed he had it so Hellborns like his daughter are given a pardon from the slaughters.
And he already explained he doesn't consider Sinners to be hos people, theyvare just awful reminders of what he did. (Give free will)
@@irkenpony17 sorry, my bad then
Here's also a really big one...she doesn't have her horns :/ and yes i know she might have ability to hide her horns but wouldn't she hide them in the familiy photos like luci and Charley? Idk i just thought of this and i thought it was something to add to all of this :)
I have sort of a subtheory to this one, what if Eve was actually Charlie's mom, BUT she is an angel, so they switched lives so that Lilith could stay in Heaven and Eve could stay with her daughter? And even as an added bonus (though its a stretch and probably not true, but we dont know where Eve has been at all) what if, since shes connected to Adam, Eve is the exterminator angel that got her head cut off? This could possibly explain why Adam cares so much about this but is also keeping things a secret from the rest of Heaven cause he doesnt want anyone to know about the deal with himself, Lute, Lilith, and Eve? To be honest, this all sounds like its a possibility, it would make sense why Eve and Lilith look similar since Lil is the first woman and Eve was probably based off of Lilith in a lot of ways. If so then i would get why the real Lilith in Heaven wouldnt want to go back- it wasnt just 7 years, it was her entire afterlife spent in heaven. It would explain too why we see a difference in their personalities and general vibes in shots, though small moments. Idk this is my crack theory.
AND MAYBE THATS WHY LUCIFER AND EVE SEPERATED BECAUSE MAYBE HE FOUND OUT IT WAS EVE/KNEW THE WHOLE TIME AND EVE FUCKIN DIED BUT HE COULDNT SAY ANYTHING AND HAD TO SUFFER IN SILENCE AND LIE TO HIS DAUGHTER ABOUT HER MOTHER BEING EVE AND BEING DEAD HOLY SHIT
Maybe even he made up the book especially for Charlie, since he loved to tell her stories all the time (or Eve did) and why wouldn't Charlie believe her dad when he says Lilith was the first lady and not Eve? They could have been LYING TOO ABOUT THE STORY
One thing I noticed her nose was also different I don't think that was animation error because we know how Lilith looks
I think it's possible that Lute is actually Eve.
She made a deal with Adam we hear this in heaven after Adam is dead this is how she got there most likely
I have a theory where Eve is Roo(root of evil) in disguise and Lilith is her advisor, Lucifer gave the apple to eve and she *ate it* allowing evil(Roo) to find her way to earth. Since she ate the apple Roo might’ve possessed her somehow and Lilith(since she was also involved with this) might’ve made a deal of sorts with her, not a soul deal however because all people who are on a leash seem to use the aesthetic of their owners. (Angeldust is pink like Valentino, husk and nifty have red like Alastor.) Roo is red and Lilith still has her dark purple and black color scheme. Roo might’ve offered her something in exchange for power, Roo might be trapped somewhere because otherwise she might be walking around freely and causing chaos. Heaven might’ve trapped her and now she needs help to get out. This is where Alastor comes in, Lilith might have given her a little bit of her own power but she still wants to keep as much as possible, she finds Alastor the Radio Demon and makes a deal with him or offers him power if he was to come with her to meet someone, little did he know. The embodiment of evil was who he was going to meet, Roo might have powers where she can see people inside and out and found out he was a mama’s boy who still loves his mother very much. She might have offered for Lilith to bring him to heaven where he could see his mom again in exchange for a little bit of power. Alastor unknowingly signed a soul contract with her and now he’s on her leash. He got to see his mother but after that he went back down to meet Roo again. She might’ve told them both to spy in heaven which is why Lilith was there, she might’ve made a deal with Adam to allow her to be there and make it seem like she’s allowed. She probably would’ve kept Alastor from sight until she got a message from Roo asking him to go back down to hell. This explains the seven year thing. Alastor goes back down to hell and talks a bit with Roo about something possibly being an order or request to check out what the Morningstar(Charlie) is doing. He obeys and goes to find out what is going on. He finds the TVs with the news on them and sees Charlie on screen talking about her project he decides she might be powerful enough to break his deal with Roo so he can get his power back. And the events of the pilot take place. He tries to get on Charlie’s good or at least better side so he can get what he wants leading to the events of season 1, Viv says the main villain is going to be Vox for season 2 though. This might lead to the Vees throwing a wrench into Alastor’s plans and it might lead to either Lilith or Roo finding out about what he’s trying to do and stop it.
But remember loyalty theorists.. it’s just a theory…
A HAZBIN THEORY!!
Thankyou for reading.
“Your first wife didn’t seem to mind what I had to offer, nor did you second one. Now chika bow wow”
Ngl, i dont think Eve is a bad guys, or suppose to be, not a lot is known about her really.
The main reason I don't believe this theory is because I don't think the writers would have a bait-and-switch like that.
I hope this theory is not true because I'd love to see an interaction between the first two women in history
Charlie: “YOU KILLED MY MOTHER!!!”
Eve: “no Charlotte, *I* am you mother”
Here is my theory. So in the beginning of the story evil and good seemed like their own entities. After Eve ate the apple and evil was allowed into earth i think what happened is whatever evil is, it possessed Eve, corrupting her and using her like a puppet. I think she hid away in hell, slowly gaining power. Some time after lilith had charlie i think Roo finally saw its chance to kidnap lilith and switched places with her, pretending to be her. Roo split from lucifer and took charlie from him to keep her weak and naieve. I think Roo also is the one who made the extermination deal with adam because as lucifer said he hasnt seen him since eden, meaning lucifer couldnt have made the deal, he probably allowed Roo to talk him into it with his stipulation being the hellborne remain untouched. I think the reason Roo wanted into heaven was so they could corrupt it, possibly even destroy it. If she pits the demons and angels against each other, who is gonna be able to stop her from finally taking the power of their version of god, or good as charlie referred to it in her story. With that power combination in one being Roo would be unstoppable. I also think Roo has a deal with Alastor, he probably almost died after his fight with vox, she probably saved him and he wanted more power so the two struck a deal. Roo wants to make sure charlie stays weak and out of her way but Alastor has his own plans, he wants charlie to be powerful so he can use her against Roo.
Straight perfection with this theory 👌
I have the same theory, with Eve being Roo 'The Root of All Evil' or 'The Root of All Eve-il' and She's the one who Alastor made a deal with and is the reason why he's so powerful but with Adam seeing Eve turn into Roo, which horrified him, and he blames Lucifer and the reason why he allowed Lilith into Heaven is to make Lucifer pay and the reason why Heaven allows the extermination to happen is secretly because with more sinners in Hell Roo grows stronger and the reason why Alastor is helping Charlie is because he thinks maybe Charlie could help free him from his deal with Roo?
@@bagelninja9982 I agree with that theory because it would make since if eve turned into Roo after eating the forbidden fruit and I would believe that alastor made a deal with her because both her and alastor have the ability to summon and control eltritch monsters and if you pay close attention we can see that a bunch of eyes follow alastor wherever he goes
@connorchavez6354 I also have another theory that Purgatory exists with it being the opposite of Heaven not Hell since Heaven had existed before Hell existed, and while I know characters joke about it that there is a Double Hell, but what if there is and its Purgatory and perhaps that's is where Roo was sent and where Alastor went for seven years? Also, maybe that's where Adam was sent, and despite everything he has done Charlie, being herself frees him since she's all about second chances as maybe she sees everything from his point of view and she understands why he's like the way he is?
@@bagelninja9982 that does make since, I also believe that if sir pentious can go to heaven why not adam go to hell? I just hope we get to see more of adams story in season 2 because it would be interesting to see him try and redeam himself!
I think why Lilith has no last name is because she has no parents, she was created full grown like Adam and Eve, and I feel like roo is eve.
My theory is that Lucifer cheated on Lilith with Eve (during the Lucifer vs Adam fight, Lucifer lets slip/brags that he took both of his girls and did the "bow-chica-wow-wow."). Lilith, being rightly upset with Lucifer, makes some sort of deal with Adam and leaves Lucifer to join paradise.
Thats why Lucifer is so tight lipped around why Lilith left, even though it seems he knows more than he's telling his daughter and keeps trying to distract himself by throwing himself into his "invention" hobby.
I'd say Lillith has more right to be in heaven than Eve. Lillith is without knowledge of morality, just like Adam, which I took to mean they can just go wherever regardlessof actualmorality. Eve meanwhile was the first actual sinner. I'd guess if she's still alive in hell and Adam didn't kill her, she's probably the worst and most powerful sinner of all
What makes you think she looks like Eve we don't even know what Eve looks like for this show
This is a really good theory but why would Eve be in Hell in the first place? In the Christain Bible it's because she directly disobeyed God and ate the fruit knowing she wasn't supposed to, but in HH she was tricked into eating the apple and didn't know it was wrong (correct me if I'm wrong about this).
No hate but in the bible she was technically tricked by the devil to eat tha apple as she was promised God's knowledge or something. Sorry I don't really remember that story well especially since I am non-religious 😅
Emm don't you remember "well your first wife didn't seem to hate what I had to offer or the second bow chicka bow" - Lucifer 2024
I'm still holding out on my eldritch horror Roo. She's been hinted at in both series but not yet revealed
Lilith rallied demons against heaven. Maybe adam made a deal that she could live in heaven in return for her stopping the demons from rebelling
Screw it, crack pot theory time. Alister made a deal with Eve that ultimately left Lilith MIA, either dead or captured, then due to Alister's desire for more, well everything, he tries to claim power from Lilith but then Eve steps in defeating him and offering him not just a deal but an ultimatum, due to his understanding of how souls and the afterlife work, he would share his power and expertise to basic give her Lilith's power and appearance. With said combined power she was able to open a portal to heaven where she then made a deal posing as Lilith with Adam that she would cause no more trouble for him so long as she could remain in heaven. Again, wild theory that could probably use some refining. This is just assuming that the person lounging in heaven wasn't just Lilith
My theory is that it is Lilith and she was the one to come up with the extermination idea And Lucifer didn’t like the idea and well they had a fight she turned to heaven they said it was a good solution and in return she wanted to be let back into heaven
Weird as it is, Vizie has a history of making the Dad's the good guy and the mom's the bad guy.
Lucifer: "Nothing your first wife didn't like"
*quote from Lucifer to Adam*
Started watching the series. The very first few minutes of episode one. Pretty much explains why the entire series is a musical.
Lilith never gave up and continued to spread her influence with her songs.
The entire reason musical numbers break out in both heaven and Hell, is bc Lillith was in BOTH realms.
How does the card look more like eve, when we didn't even get to see her face
I don’t really like the Eve Theory. I like to think Eve and Lilith have a sister-type of relationship and we don’t know what either of them are doing behind the curtains. Lilith built Hell as in Charlie’s story and has Alastor helping Charlie in her stead because I think shes trying to change the system in her own way or dealing with stuff that we don’t know about yet. I also don’t think Eve should be considered bad/evil - she had to deal with Adam’s BS for a long time so honestly I kind of feel bad for her.
I mean even if this theory is true, all the same questions are still unanswered. Now they just have different names
The card makers new what they were doing
Tbh I think Lilith is also two faced there is theories about her necklace and sht or how her horns are not on her head I just think that Lilith and Eve will come later on for now it's better to not theories much about any of them bcus you never know which one of the characters Is the main villian
Think it's more that Lilith was never truly banished just went with lucifer because she was pregnant, but made a deal with Adam and Allister because she was having twins. Gave one child, Emily to heaven and gave Charlie to hell. Went to heaven to keep an eye on emily.
"It looks a lot like Eve" ah yes, that looks a whole lot like the character we haven't even seen, save for a silhoutte. Perfect resemblance
That would beg the question as to what the fuck happened to Lilith
Lillth and eve were made to be Adams wife
Fun fact: Eve is the FIRST sinner.
So it would be really poetic if she co-founded hell after that whole war on heaven.
My personal theory is that Eve is slowly trying to regain power over hell and shes trying to do it through the Vee's, if you literally move the V to the right you get Eve
Damn it Eve.
Theory is Debunked cuz when Lucifer is giving EVE the apple we see Lilith standing behind Lucifer and eve infront of Lucifer
I was expecting the Eve's first child Cain was Lucifer's son theory. But that's not new.
But Luci did do the "Bow-chika-bow-wow" when he mentioned her.
I do, same with Roo. I definitely could see Eve wanting revenge on Heaven, Lucifer and Lilith, and also Adam and his descendants for all the pain they put her through. Her pretending to be Lilith could be part of such a grand plan as she could have learned Hell's weaknesses and kickoff the divorce that made Lucifer heartbroken and cut him away from his daughter.
Meanwhile the real Lilith knows what is going on as has been trying to stop the Imposter, likely making sacrifices to do so like divorcing Lucifer to protect him, Hell, and especially Charlie to a degree and allying with Heaven to get and edge on stopping the Imposter Lilith.
I can see it being true, especially when you cross reference it to what Lucifer said during his fight with Adam, Lilith possibly felt cheated and left without a trace, Charlie could have a tragic ptsd memory from then and eve was the step mother for her, might also be why she can't get ahold of her mom because she didn't give her the correct number, while Charlie still trys to keep her close relationship with her "mother" you can hear and see that she's basically doing what one of the angels were doing, the same pitch and everything (for those who may not get it, I'm talking about the angel who agreed to the extermination and keeps it secret) so we're probably gonna have a VERY heavy arc for Charlie at one point.
I always assumed that Lilith spit with luci because he fell into depression when he fell and she just didn't wanna deal with him
What if Lilith and Eve are actually twin sisters and Lilith was the one who went to hell and Eve ended up in heaven but when Lilith got pregnant she figured she didn’t want to be a mom but Eve might have wanted to be a mom but just didn’t really like Adam or didn’t want to have a child with Adam so Lilith ended up having Charlie. And when Charlie was born Lilith and Eve switched lives because their “twins” and nobody really knows this
Her at that beach feels like it's neither heaven or hell maybe it's limbo?
Lillith is Mother of Monsters, im not sure what her deal with Heaven is but its big.
Also
Lucifer said to Adam “your first wife didn’t seem to hate what I had to offer.”
Many people forget that Lillith and Eve are literally twins- like after Lillith abandoned Adam, God made Eve out of Adam's rib to look like an exact replica of Lillith. Some cases this leads to the death of Lillith (some how, forgot why) and is why Eve was the first to take the apple, Lucifer missed his dead wife and saw her in Eve
I'm only going to say is Lucifer say your 2nd wife didn't hate my second offer 😂😂😂😂 I think you know now 😂😂😂😂
Theres also the fact that her necklace the pearls Lilth wears them in every official art of Lilith but in every time shes on screen shes not wearing it its odd, plus wjy would she want to hurt Charlie?
Okay, I'm basing this off information from the series itself. Not any other outside source, but during the last episode of the season Lucifer during his fight with Adam admits to knowing both Lilith and Eve and having an been with both of them. So that being said, my best guess here is that Lilith and Eve are most definitely possibly twins. If not, very close in appearance to one another. Also there's still The matter of roo being involved as The embodiment of evil
I'm just assuming Eve's creepy smile and her being how evil got in means she's actually in Hell and is probably the major antagonist.... And maybe who holds Alastor's leash.
I dunno if I dreamt it up, but I had this theory in my head for a while.
Not only that, lucifer still has his wedding ring. If they were divorced why would he still have his ring? You could say that he is depressed and shit but even when depressed he still tries his best to be respectful to the people he cares about, like Charlie. Not only that but lucifer and Lilith being divorced would be like BIG news, only thing that was said was that she went missing
I’m not gonna jump the gun here but this theory does make sense
They let her back in because she came up with the extermination deal, executioners kill demons for one day a year in exchange she got to go to heaven. Lute said so at the end of the first season. Adam was dead, exterminations are over, and so is their deal.
She was in hell, somehow she ended up in heaven. She knows the secret of getting in heaven.
My theory is that Eve is actually Roo, Eve is the one who ate the apple. Therefor bringing sin into the world, starting sin is also the start of evil. So technically speaking, that would kinda make Eve the Root of All Evil.
Considering we have yet to see Eve at all and have only heard her mentioned twice (the second time when Lucifer made the “bow-chika-bow-wow” taunt😂😂😂), I say this theory does hold quite a bit of reasoning in it
I think eve is dead. I imagine that she was the first to be exterminated by Adam.
Its wild on the amount of people bring up the necklance being diffrent and that's the reason its not lillith like a women can't change her Fashion sense? 😂
The idea is she probably changed the necklace's depending on what she's wearing, like that black necklace look's good with the clothes she's wearing on the beach i don't think big ass pearls would.
I thought of this theory before it was created like right after we saw “Lilith” in episode 8, another thing to think about is that in the Bible we are given evidence that says that the first 2 humans are meant to be perfect, so maybe the reason Eve looks like Lilith is because she is the apparent “perfect” version of Lilith but was mad at this and blamed Lilith and Lucifer + Charlie, and her being the main villain of season 3 most likely as The Vees are the main villains of season 2
I want the record to state that I was the first to say this when the show barely came out. I posted it on Reddit and everybody called me crazy. No one believed me. And now it is running through the Internet. I was ridiculed for this theory, and now it is popular goddamnit.
There’s also a theory that Eve is Roo and the true mother of Charlie, which hints to why Charlie is likely super powerful
I would be surprised if it were actually Eve. We only get mention of her in the first episode and nothing after.
I don’t think she’s Hidden because we actually see her in some painting in dad, beat dad I’m not gonna lie. She looks stunning and gorgeous.