Fallout 4's Pipe Weapons and Their Problems - Full Fallout Lore Story
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- Are the pipe guns in Fallout 4 too frequent? Where did pipe guns come from? This video covers all of the aspects of the "pipe" weapons inside of Fallout 4.
The Art of Fallout 4 (PDF):
archive.org/details/the-art-of-fallout-4/mode/2up?view=theater
Amount of Guns per Capita in the US (Page 4) [Small Arms Survey, 2018]
smallarmssurvey.org/sites/default/files/resources/SAS-BP-Civilian-Firearms-Numbers.pdf
Total (Suspected) PMF by Year (Page 48) [ATF, 2022]:
atf.gov/firearms/docs/rulemaking/ria-final-rule-2021r-05f-definition-frame-or-receiver-and-identification/download
NICS Firearm Checks: Month/Year by State/Type [FBI, 2022]
fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year_by_state_type.pdf/view
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i think since the us goverment in fallout was freaking out about communists that a lot of people were being imprisoned for what would normally be a fine or a misdemeanor thus being unable to buy guns and in fear and paranoia they began making diy boomsticks
Art imitates life lol. Except our real government is freaking out about non-communists
America already has a ton of guns (with a higher # of guns than people), and given that the nuclear war wiped out a ton of the population I don't see where this hypothetical deficit of guns would come from.
@@nelsoncorreia7293 yeah im just trying to give the most incredible generous interpretation to try and make any sense of this
If we look at this as a way to make different level of weapon, armor and power armor tech. Scrap tech is mostly desperation and having junk for materials to try and make a weapon shaped item, examples are the Pipe guns, Laser musket and similar type of weapons. Makeshift tech, is better knowhow, better material, better tools and better workshop for weapons, think Sten guns, Zapper gun and such. PreWar/Factory made, better knowhow, better material, better tools, and making the weapons is so streamlined that you can start up weapon factories and make them. This way, you can even make variants of guns by using different tech levels. Example, Scrap tech Tommy gun is not as good as a Makeshift Tommy gun, which is not as good as Factory Tommy gun.
this way with Different Tech levels we can have good early game options and as well as have good balancing of weapons to improve weapon experience. As an Arsenal Appreciator, I would like this to be done, especially to bring back all the various ammo types and ammo payloads.
@@drivanradosivic1357 I get what you're saying from a gameplay perspective, but that is still convoluted and unnecessary.
It could simply be implemented where real-world shoddy-tier weapons like the Sten SMG could be introduced as low-tier weapons, to be replaced with higher-quality 9mm SMGs later in the game. Same could be said for other guns/calibers. Just using the Sten as an example as per your comment.
My point is that the implementation and rationale for pipe guns in FO4 is completely unrealistic. F3/NV did a much better job where early game weapons were real Pre-War guns held together with duct tape, steel wire, and other crappy methods (see Hunting Rifle, Single Shotgun, Caravan Shotgun, etc), or Fallout 2 which had a slamfire pipe shotgun (which would be relatively "easy" to throw together in the real-world and actually function as it does in the game).
I can totally see shotguns, bolt-action rifles and simple blowback smgs be something the crafty wastelander can come up with. After all, slamfire shotguns and stuff like the Luty SMG (or the ones the IRA made in workshops) do exist.
Surely something that can be done halfway reliable and safe.
And the USA in the Fallout timeline might have different laws regarding firearms. So the amount of factory made and craft produced firearms might be different.
(and yes, full auto is easier to make than semi auto, especially as straight blowback, which can be quite safe with low power calibers like 9mm)
Pipe weapons sort of bother me, and its not because, of the game, but the reality.
Pipe weapons, don't need to look like junk taped together. It really depends on what tools the builder has access too, the crafters skill, and what they want to do.
A simple slamfire pipe shotgun doesn't need a trigger, and can be as simple as 2 pipes, 2 pistol type grips, an endcap and a nail, and even still, some might go with crafting the grips so they feel comfortable. some might even decorate the barrel with clan, gang, or tribe markings.
as skill goes up, a gunsmith might change to a falling block shotgun, actually get a properly carved stock, take time to line up and set up good sights.
Kyber pass has been making "back yard" firearms since the 1600's. Taking scraps, and making guns with questionable reliability at times, but at others, a gun that could be hard to tell from one that came off a real production line. Fake 1911's that could pass for a real 1911 and are just as reliable.
Then you get simpler things, look up the Luty SMG... a stamped pipe weapon fast to make cheep on parts... but even then a little work can pretty it up... and again its a "pipe weapon", using a pipe rather then a rifled barrel. But that could change as again, some people have the skill, to make tools to rifle even pipes.
My main issue with pipe weapons is the same one I have with most Bethesda Fallout lore, that it makes it seem like the apocalypse happened yesterday even though it's been over a century now. Like it's bizarre that over a century after the bombs dropped no one has set up some new factory for such an obvious necessity. I don't get why they seem to believe that absolutely nothing would happen in the intervening century, especially when the nuclear bombing wasn't even that bad given that most pre-war buildings are still intact (even though natural processes would have destroyed them in the intervening century). I get that the inspiration for Fallout is A Canticle for Leibowitz, where civilization was basically reset to the middle ages but in that book the nuclear bombardment was so bad that basically nothing was left standing and there wasn't anything like the vaults to preserve knowledge.
If Bethesda so desperately wants to make games about a recent post-apocalypse they should just do that, have everything be set similar to 76, just a few years after the bombs fell rather than centuries and then just asking us to believe that people would live in shitty shacks for centuries and never use any of the technology all around them to do anything useful.
The world has mostly recovered by the point of fallout 4 thou, the NCR has grown and has an industrial base, the Brotherhood of steel can create their own power armors vertbirds and even flying aircraft carriers between others, is just thatwe explore the parts of the country that are still fucked for a variety of reasons
I watched a video about the state of the Commonwealth and one commenter made excellent point - Bethesda treats 20 years after the nukes as 2, and 200 as 20. You cannot make it make sense why for 200 years nobody learned to make buildings without holes in them, or clean the junk and dust.
Fo4 is just weird nv got gun runners making and producing guns on the daily
@@blaire9524quality guns too
You have to understand how many people it requires to make even a pencil. Like when you really think about it it’s a miracle it exists. You need someone to cut down the tree, someone to saw the wood, miners mining the ore for the piece that connects the wood to the easer, someone to smelt the ore, a different miner getting graphite, and the same thing for the easer. There isn’t a single person alive who knows all the steps needed to make the machinery and steps to make a pencil. You can go down this rabbit whole with the tools each person uses in the collecting of these resources. Now you have to do it with a gun, even if you get an arms factory you would still need the resources to keep it going to manufacture the guns and electricity. With how common raiders are, the only way you can get something like that working is in a major faction’s territory.
As an amateur 3D modeler, I made more realistic versions of the pipe weapons before just as a practice concept, addressing many of the issues they have and redesigning them. I kinda wish I knew how to make them into a mod now.
It's not that I don't like the idea of pipe weapons, it's that the actual in-game designs look atrocious and simply wouldn't realistically work.
hot take... but Fallout 4 made a big mistake by adding 10mm pistol in start.. I never played or picked up pipe weapons because they seemed inferior
I don’t think this is a hot take at all. I think most would agree with this notion, especially since a lot of the default pipe weapons actually are inferior to the well-made firearms. Doesn’t help there ugly af too
if you started off with a .32 revolver or pistol, or even a .22lr pistol or revolver, and then you see a pipe pistol with .38 caliber, that can serve you until you find a better gun like a proper 10mm pistol.
Curious on the lore behind the handmade rifle and it's resemblance to an AK 47.
I theorize that they were parts from the Chinese sent to some communist groups in the United States but came in parts so they had to be assembled themselves
I feel like it's a related thing to the chinese assault rifle in FO3. After all, the AK platform is super super common around the world.
could be kinda like the shovel ak
@@encross8058yeah but that was made with an ak parts kit. Why are there so many ak parts kits in the post apocalyptic anti-communist us?
@@jamesconboy1612 Chinese sympathizers and communist groups probably snuck them in or made them, like how there are a lot of Chinese weapons in the capital wasteland for the same reason.
Personally, I imagine with how bad the war got getting professionally made weaponry as a civilian would be incredibly difficult by the time the bombs felt, with most manufacturing shifting to supporting the military's use of weaponry. Additionally, with the conflict scaling as aggressively as it did, personal defense firearms would be at an incredibly high demand, so that would be a big reason for people to start scrapping together their own weapons. ESPECIALLY if a prominent magazine about guns (and bullets) published such handmade firearms as we already know they did.
Also, there's simply such an absurd amount of ALL weaponry in Fallout 4, IMO, not just pipe weapons. Without the need for on-the-fly repair like you had in 3 and NV throwing THIS many guns at the player makes it so anticlimactic to find anything for me.
It's also a major conflict, the likelihood of arms factories producing guns for the civilian market instead of for military contracts is low, so people likely had to make their own just due to shortages
That contradicts 4 games' worth of worldbuilding.
Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout 3, and Fallout New Vegas *never had these pipe weapons and no mention of a "weapon shortage" exists in these 4 games, ever.*
@@DJWeapon8 counterpoints for new Vegas and 3. One was the nations Capital, the other was positioned directly next to an Air Force base. Also gun runners exists and manufactors new firearms, and the brotherhood and outcasts exist in 3 as major players, so its possible that military issue weapons would be available in both of thosr games, plus its likely been a couple hundred years, so its safe to assume that quite a few military stockpiles have been accessed and that these weapons have swapped hands about a dozen times. IDK enough about the lore for 1 and 2 to comment on them though
@@skitariiranger4346 You contradict yourself now.
Fallout 4 has tons of military installations and takes place 210 years after the Great War.
There's also the Minutemen and the Gunners as large factions that are more than capable of making their own well designed postwar weapons.
Yet about 50% of the weapons in the game are pipe weapons and pipe weapons would sometimes spawn in *military installations that have been sealed since the bombs dropped.*
*Why would the prewar US military, **_that you said has access to more and better made firearms than the civilian populace,_** have pipe weapons in their armories?*
Really.
Pipe weapons make sense in Fallout.
But the way 4 handled them is not believable at all.
For 1, they have nonsense designs.
2, there's way too many of them.
And 3, the roles they perform and occupy doesn't make sense with their nature as shoddily built emergency weapons that are better than nothing.
*Pipe weapons in Fallout should only exist as very early low level weapons. Capable of only firing a single shot before reloading like slam fires and break actions, or pathetically small capacities like revolvers.
@@DJWeapon8bro that would have been boring
In 200 years I’m surprised that there are any safes that have not been cracked open.
Yeah, I dont get the point about safes in random buildings. If you find a safe and password for it, why not use it as some backup storage or dead drop?
My issues with Pipe weapons:
1. as you said, there are way too many. (and I don't buy any pre-war explanation for their commonality, every other game this isn't an issue)
2. they function way too well, they should be scrappy with limited use. They should only be early weapons to be used until the player can ditch them for something better. And there is literally only two distinct types, the revolver and the rifles. Should have had distinct types for different roles. E.g. Pipe rifle (call back to Fallout 2 Pipe Gun): a single shot rifle that can be modified to take 20 gauge, and .308, a pipe revolver: revolver that takes in smaller caliber and is sticky to fire, and a crude blowback: early smg inaccurate and chews through ammo.
3. they are ugly and impractical to even exist (note: this is a problem with most guns Fallout 4), like at least remove the rust, you risk getting tetanus every time you fire the weapon.
I kinda want the opposite of point 2.
Pipe guns should be the cheap and readily available stsndby and the better guns should be the ones where you have to worry about durability. Like yeah you can mow down raiders with a pipe smg and so what if it breaks, its actual garbage. But better guns need to be ssved until you're either swimming in spares or need to risk thier durability to end a fight earlier.
Some additional context and history about PMFs is the high rise in recent years is almost entirely due to 3d printing. Prior to this new household technology the numbers were very small and were pretty much reserved for people who made them as a political statement against the government or had workshop experience that they developed from prison. Outside of these two scenarios there was virtually no reason to privately manufacture after the civil war. There were millions of muskets and rifled-muskets that the government was trying to sell for cheap and soon after mass manufacture of affordable firearms took off. Today gunsmiths usually work with maintenance and modification as their primary business, but before the civil war many local gunsmiths earned that 'smith' title as they manufactured firearms for their area and the ability of average people to manufacture muskets was not uncommon. This was even more prevalent in the times before and after the war of independence. In Maryland there was a law requiring every adult to own a musket in a standardized caliber in case of conflicts with natives or the british government. This was such a major concern for the government because so many people made their own muskets that there was no consistency in the size of the bore. This would mean that standard issue ball would either be too large for the bore (for people chiefly concerned with hunting smaller game) or too small and inaccurate. Muskets are far more accurate than most people realize, easily hitting almost every shot on a man sized target at 125 yards BUT only if the ball and patch is properly sized to the bore. If you didn't have a standard caliber musket in many cases the government would even pay to supply you with such a musket and would occasionally make inspections to ensure everyone was in compliance.
I brought up pipe guys to my father who grew up in the 50s said that he used to build them as a kid
Oh wow, did he say why? Lack of availability, etc?
Makes sense that they put them in fallout 4 then, since that's when the fallout timeline diverged from our own
@@NotSenz More like that's what bored, unattended teenagers do. Less so now.
I'm sure state laws have an effect on availability including if there were bans so not all areas may be affected the same (aka for lore reasons). Maybe the military took so much of the factory made for their own wars and power. Could definitely see a black market rise because of fears of invasion, civil unrest and other factors. Definitely an interesting video and I always liked them as early weapons but I do get sick of them after a while.
You know one of the weapons i always wished was in fallout games - Because way too little people are thinking about them and they would make extremely much sense in this world - is bows. yes. Bow and arrow, think about it!
My main issue with Fo4's pipe guns is that they are too unrealistic, like how the frick is gun cobbled together from wood and pipes held together by wires could handle high pressured caliber like .308 or .50?
the obvious answer would be that it shouldn't have those calibers for modding, up to 5.56 at most. the hunting rifle and the Semiauto Fallout3/NV Army rifle make more sense with this mod.
Unpopular Opinion: I really like the pipe guns. It makes sense for something so rudimentary to be all over a post apocalyptic setting. In fact, I'm surprised they're not more prevalent than they are. They look good in that they match the universe's aesthetic so well. Also, I just really love the jury-rigged aesthetic in general so I might be a little biased. Scavenge around and hope you find a fully functional mass-produced firearm, or make one at home in your garage.
I wish they were in the other games. It seems odd that pipe weapons weren't so common from the very beginning.
I really don't like them because they wouldn't work
They do show up in Fallout 2. But they’re not common and are practically useless.
Here's the thing: Pipe-based fire arms are actually pre war. They are usually made when an gun ban, or other such restriction, is put in place, in order to bypass it. A homeowner simply rips out an piece of dry wall, and uses some PVC 2 pipes and other components to make the pipe gun. Pipe shotguns, pipe rifles, pipe pistols, and pipe SMG's are actually very easy to make IRL, and in fallout 4's lore they actually are prewar.
I think a lot of people don't take into account the resource war of the fallout world. I think the only reason the major world powers stayed with tube electrical components is that they work better with nuclear power a no d the risks of emp attacks. There were transistors and polymers in the fallout world. Then there are major arms manufacturers such as H&K, Colt, Winchester, Baretta and Glock. Add this with polymers and you have modern weapons. Polymers, Wood and metal is not going to last over 200 years being kicked around the wasteland. Now after the resource war but before the great war with manufacturered weapons being too expensive i think alot of people would start to make PMF's. Then after the great war the nuclear survivors would only have PMF's readily available to strip down to see how they work and rebuild with new scrap. To me personally why are there so many pre-war weapons available after 200 years.
Well I also think that sense nuclear tension was on the rise people felt like building some to stay protected if they survived the bombs
There also was a pipe rifle in Fallout 2 but I think it was made exclusively post war.
there is no reason for not putting the luty smg in fallout
I found a mod that edits the meshes of the pipe-guns (not the revolver) making so that the barrel is placed lower than the vanilla game, now the reload seems based on hk weaponry. And the pipe bolt-action they also put a internal mag (look at the bottom of the gun). They also made the drum mag a snail mag. The mod: pipe gun meshes tweaks.
i just noticed this was posted yesterday ima give u a sub
Thank you very much! I’m glad you liked the video
The hardest part of making a post apocalyptic ar15 is reaming the rifling into the barrel, and having the barrel be hard enough. An ak47 is even simpler
Nice video
Another plausible reason for the pre-war population creating pipe weapons could be the supply shortages that caused the war in the first place. In WW2 every spare scrap of some kinds of metal and silk was rounded up and donated to the gov so they could be used to make more ammunition, planes, and parachutes for the troops. If there was a "support the troops" drive and the majority of the population donated their weapons to be melted down it would have probably been seen as patriotic to "make do" by creating handmade alternatives in case they needed to protect the home front.
Even if some people secretly kept a few guns the community would have come down harshly on them if they knew they had them the same way they did if a woman wore brand new silk stockings or were seen eating way more beef than they should reasonably have due to rationing in WW2. They'd have to be seen making or having pipe weapons as a badge of patriotism.
What fallout needs is a 3d-printing station that "prints" a crappier version of regular firearms, pipe guns are silly in when 3dprinting tech is so simple now, never mind in the future.
I have experience with 3D printed Firearms and I can honestly say that they're not as reliable as they seem.
Nothing wrong with the idea, it's just that it takes a lot of tweaking and different variables that go into them. It's also a lot of work.
I don't think that it would necessarily make sense for the Fallout Universe, but I agree with you in real life, the technology is only going to get better.
@@NotSenz the plasticov
There is a Pipe gun in Fallout 2.
Most nowadays think Fallout only starts with Fallout 3 and totally forget about Interplay and Black Isle.
@@bowez9 you are right, but the man has made a video about Jet in FO2 too so I think it was just a slip up here. It is a very ignorable weapon in fo2 tbh unless you’re really starving for small guns early for some reason.
@@OrlovKruskayev You're absolutely right, sorry about that mistake.
@@NotSenz absolutely no need to apologize my man
I don't understand why the pipe guns they are that soo rusted and worn down as if they spent 2 centuries underwater fully assembled, just imagine trying to rack the bolt in that thing let alone pull the trigger and then only for it to crumble in to pieces when the round goes off.
It stayed true to it's mission statement though, it does look like it was made who doesn't know anything about guns and neither by anyone who knows about metal corrosion.
The 10mm is OP
Pipe weapons are GOAT
I just wish we got more of Fallout 3’s assault rifles. Both the R91 and Chinese assault rifle.
I loved you video, but I think your approach to calculate the percentage of pmfs can be improved, you need to take in consideration that pmfs are growing in a much faster rate than normal weapons, I my opinion you need to project the number of pmfs and normal weapons right before the bombs fell.
You're absolutely right; A lot more variables could have been added to my research. I didn't go too in-depth with it because I just wanted to get a ballpark figure, as an example of how many pmfs are here today.
200 years is a lot if time
I agree with what is said in the video, but I played too many games where there are only factory made weapons, so everytime i see some raider with any pipe weapon I:
a) feel sad for him
b) have a masculine urge to scoop out my eyeballs and go wash them in the sink for seeing something that ugly and crude
Lol. Cob jobbed guns aren't used in crimes often. On average they just illegal get them via theft or from gangs. As far as fallout goes the pipe weapons are like the lutty which sucks. 3d prints would make more sense
Love the video bro
normal guns are more complicated than pipe weapon ones and over these 200 years most normal guns have probably broken down
and i think pipe weapons are more easy to fix that normal one that why there so many pipe weapons
It's far from being the only nonsensical loot in Fallout 4, or in any RPG for that matter. That's also one of my main issue and why it showed for me when games made things slightly better in the department, such as Kingdom Come: Deliverance. I wish games were actually much more realistic and immersive than they are right now, especially with loot since it can become straight up ridiculous, like finding fresh food (or any kind of food for that matter) in dungeons that have been closed for millennia.
the problem here is that fallout was never about being highly realistic , survival mode just exists and even then its survival-lite , silliness is baked into the formula
they could just add regular weapons like the older games
god damn these things look awful
4:07 Is that Phil Spencer?
It's set in Taxachussetts where you can't really own guns like you could in say a free state like Texas or Arizona.
I coulda sworn you said they call them "Pipedly Made Firearms" the first time. Ha.
You can get muzzleloaders today repro pistols rifles
The selection of guns in fo4 is lame. Way too many pipe weapons and lack of realistic guns even for fo lore.
Modern firearms, tactical edition. Thank me later
Lmao dude I know a guy who has made over 1000 p80 9mms so there's definitely more than 19000 private made firearms.
If you think criminals need to make guns you are sadly mistaken.
Instead of using statistics from 2020s why not use statistics from the 1950s the that the game is based on, I'm gonna take a guess and say that I guess one problem with it could be that they might not have statistics for pipe pistols, But I would say looking at the FP-45 Liberator + Grease gun (M3 submachine gun) might be a good substitution due to how simple they are
You're absolutely correct:
There just isn't a lot of statistics for weapon ownership or manufacturing in the 1950s (at least, that I could find). This kind of thing seems to be more well-documented as time progresses.
I was using my stats as an example for a "realistic" expectation. A few people have mentioned how I could improve the accuracy; and while I thank them a bunch, I would hate to go down that rabbit hole again😂. Like I mentioned, Fallout is a completely different universe and any number of factors could make real-world stats incorrect.
They should make a new Fallout game using the engine from Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Don't fix what isn't broken.
@@shortcatofficial2137 If it were broken, it would be completely unplayable.
When it come in game for the states the game take place in . Lot of them being around i leave it up to game mechanic's and them being scraped by the player for resources. Pipe like guns before the war i could see them being made to a factory quality depending on the resources at hand at the time. As these guns just need to be good enough and pratical enough for the state the USA was in then. As one can look at some old gun designs in the wild west and even the known Sten gun in WW2 . Those guns may not look pretty but they did their job very well when it form and function over visual looks . With the politic's of the state's were in then dealing with communist and political descendents such guns like pipe guns would of been around but not in the numbers as in game. As the game never touch on firearm laws in game it is hard to say what was illegal or needed a license pre-war in America.
For lot of pipe gun desing i would think they came to be at a certain point when factory made guns become rarer or harder to maintain . I could see a skill engineer using a exsisting gun and making functional parts not to a factory level quality . As in the wasteland there is alot of scrap and metal to make these guns using other as templates for a crude version of the gun . As the pipe revolver share alot of traits with other revolvers while lack some upgrade options . Even in the Fallout TRPG mention they are cheap gun for people who can't find or buy a good quality gun .
Pipe weapons made zero sense. If I remember correctly, the United States has more guns than people, and if a nuclear holocaust wipes out a majority of the population then it stands to reason that post-war America would have a ton of guns.
I'm aware that because of alternative timelines and such, real world America is not equivalent to Fallout's pre war America. It makes even less sense that Fallout's pre-war population wasn't already armed to the teeth given that the US was at war with China and had already been invaded.
You can't use post-9/11 statistics in a world where 9/11 never happened. Fallout's timeline diverged from ours around 1950, technologically going in a completely different direction, so using 2021 numbers wouldn't be accurate. 1950's numbers are way lower, like 54 million or something.
Beyond that, the fallout government removed rights from their own people to such a degree that punk music was illegal because it was too rebellious, so I don't think it's a stretch to assume that most factory made guns were either held by corporate security forces (10mm pistols and batons being their default gear) or the military (possessing everything else). Some folks might've kept their old guns and not have been labeled traitors, but home made would be the best way to support one's country. Furthermore, none of this accounts for energy weapons.
its funny when people say stuff like ˝maybe they stopped using the m4 because it was decades old by 2070˝ , assuming that said weapons even existed in the timeline , the existence of certain real world guns is questionable at best considering that the main weapon of american troopers in the war against china are g3/fal hybrids , the setting is perpetualy stuck in 50s america
I said the same on my first play through, I really thought introduction of pipe weapons ruined the game for me a bit. They’re absolutely ugly
I hate pipe guns, please no more pipe guns!.
Can the data really be trusted seeing as not everyone will be forthcoming about guns they make themselves.
3d printed guns are a thing after all.
I completely agree, but there really isn't any relevant data other than the ATF's predictions.
Besides, I was just hoping to use the data as an example to prove that self-made weapons don't show up in real life as frequently as they do in the game. The only way my example would change significantly is if the ATF's predictions were off by literally hundreds of millions.
Other than the fact that your way of calculating handmade firearms is flawed I also feel more than a bit weirded out by the “it makes sense to be in Detroit because there are so many criminals” statement. I think it would have been better to say anything other than that.
Criminals or liberals
The creation engine is still Gamebryo, just improved and modified
Yep same engine from elder scrolls Morrowind 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Held together with duct tape and dreams
Generally speaking, the engine is vastly improved buuuut.... Developer's bosses are lazier. They took away the Khajitt cat legs and gave them human legs out of laziness and they removed a ton of spells and abilities like the super jump spells and super speed shoes.
In fallout, they're doing a lot more pre-generated worlds which they then modify a bit. It makes me kinda nervous about Starfield.